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Congress as both parties prepare for the upcoming midterm elections. | |
| Join host Dasha Burns. | ||
| Bridging the divide in American politics. | ||
| Watch Ceasefire today at 7 p.m. and 10 p.m. Eastern and Pacific, only on C-SPAN. | ||
| And we're waiting for President Trump to arrive at a ceremony in Florida. | ||
| Officials are dedicating a stretch of road from the airport to his Mar-a-Lago estate as President Donald J. Trump Boulevard. | ||
| The president's expected to spend the rest of the weekend at Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| Earlier today, he held a roundtable discussion with White House officials on rural health care, which you can find on our website, c-span.org, and on our C-SPAN Now app. | ||
| We'll join the dedication ceremony once it begins. | ||
| And we are back with Sarah Pierce, who's the social policy director with Third Way, continuing our conversation this morning about Trump administration immigration enforcement actions. | ||
| Sarah Pierce, I want to begin with our last guest, Chad Wolf, who is the former acting Homeland Security Secretary. | ||
| I asked him about the president invoking the Insurrection Act. | ||
| Here's what he had to say, and I'll get your response on the other side. | ||
| Well, I don't have all the information that they have, so I don't have the data. | ||
| I don't have the intelligence. | ||
| I don't know everything that they're seeing, but from just looking at the public reporting and looking mainly at the words of the governor and the mayor, who have it doesn't appear that they are going to let their police actually assist ICE. | ||
| And the fact that they continue to incentivize these folks to go out and to continue this by saying ICE is undertrained. | ||
| They're the Gestapo. | ||
| They only pick up colored people. | ||
| All of that, of course, is not true. | ||
| And so if I see the remarks by the governor and the mayor continuing, I would likely advise the president to do so at some point. | ||
| Look, I think the violence has to reach a certain threshold. | ||
| I'm not sure that we're there yet, but I do think that this is certainly a viable option for the president. | ||
| Sarah Pierce, your thoughts on the president invoking the Insurrection Act because of the response in Minnesota to the ICE enforcement of immigration. | ||
| I think it's a terrifying possibility, right? | ||
| What we've seen is increasing escalation between the president and local communities and frankly, local law enforcement as well. | ||
| What we want between those two entities is an increase in public trust, right? | ||
| We want all law enforcement, all types of law enforcement work better when there is trust between the communities and law enforcement. | ||
| And as opposed to reaching out and establishing that trust, this administration has been leaning on politics, on quotas, on optics, and on escalating those tensions. | ||
| And I think that using the Insurrection Act when there is no clear public safety threat on the ground would be a huge mistake and really catastrophic. | ||
| How would you describe the current protesting in Minnesota? | ||
| I would describe it as an understandable reaction to a force that seems to have been unleashed on local communities. | ||
| What local communities are seeing is a mass squad going out into the streets, arresting people indiscriminately and using problematic policing tactics, failing to introduce themselves, arresting individuals without saying clearly why those individuals are being arrested, breaking windows, pulling people from cars. | ||
| And while we know that this force is specifically supposed to be aimed at immigrants, they've arrested hundreds of U.S. citizens in that very indiscriminate strategy that they're using. | ||
| So I think it's understandable that communities are very alarmed and concerned about what they're seeing. | ||
| We shared this headline earlier with our viewers that folks are talking about abolishing ICE. | ||
| You wrote a piece, and here's the headline from Third Way's website, Democrats abolish ICE abuses, not ICE. | ||
| Why are you not in favor of abolishing ICE? | ||
| I think abolish ICE is the understandable reaction to a terrifying reality that we're seeing in our local communities today. | ||
| But when you talk to the majority of voters, the majority of voters, when they hear abolish ICE, they hear that someone wants to abolish all interior immigration enforcement. | ||
| And that's not where the American public is. | ||
| The American public does want to see our immigration laws enforced. | ||
| So we wanted to put out that cautionary word to Democrats specifically that, yeah, they absolutely should be speaking out about what we're seeing. | ||
| We need to ensure that public safety is at the forefront of what ICE is doing. | ||
| And that does not appear to be what's happening today. | ||
| But using, leaning back on that very easy and emotionally powerful phrase is going to cause problems for Democrats down the line. | ||
| You compare calls to abolish ICE to those to defund the police. | ||
| What lessons were learned from that campaign? | ||
| Yeah, so in 2020, in the wake of George Floyd, we had very strong political movements to reform policing, and some of which were successful, but some of which, for example, trying to reform qualified immunity fell short. | ||
| And part of the reason for them falling short is because those calls to defund the police became so loud. | ||
| And again, this is a emotionally strong phrase that to the average voter doesn't sound right, right? | ||
| The average voter wants police in their communities. | ||
| They want police to be funded and well-trained and well-paid. | ||
| And so it's just a moment where the disconnect between the emotional phrase and then the political realities on the ground caused problems for reform. | ||
| What do Democrats need to focus on, in your opinion? | ||
| What changes need to be made to how ICE conducts itself? | ||
| I think Democrats need to be speaking out strongly about how Republicans are completely abdicating their responsibilities to their citizens right now. | ||
| We are seeing a very problematic use of policing on the ground in American communities, and Congress has done very little to address that. | ||
| We're starting to see Democrats speaking out strongly. | ||
| Just this week, actually yesterday, Senators Gallego and Kelly introduced a law that was previously introduced in that House by Senator Representative Scott Peters. | ||
| It's the Stop Excessive Force in Immigration Act. | ||
| It's a law that would put very basic professionalization and public safety focused responsibilities on ICE. | ||
| And I want to see more bills and more actions put out like that that kind of put Republicans on their heels for why they aren't conducting oversight for what this administration is doing. | ||
| Tom Holman, who's the White House Enforcement and Removal Operations Executive Associate Director, was asked about ICE agent actions in Minnesota at the White House this week. | ||
| Here's what he had to say. | ||
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When it comes to some of the ICE agents that are going to go in places like Indianapolis, I'm just curious how you square some of those going into these homes with the Fourth Amendment surgeon seizure. | |
| How do you square those two things? | ||
| And is there any potential violation of Fourth Amendment with some of these ICE agents activities going inside? | ||
| If any ICE agent borrowed tradition violates policy, it'll all be held accountable. | ||
| But we've got to remember that, you know, there's a lot of confusion out there, difference between reasonable suspicions and probable cause. | ||
| If an officer gathers reasonable suspicion from a myriad of circumstances, a bunch of factors, they can detain, temporarily detain and question somebody on the immigration interview. | ||
| In order to arrest that person, you got to establish a probable cause. | ||
| I can't sit here and pull out case by case. | ||
| I think the men and women of ICE and Borg Joe are doing a difficult job in a very unfriendly area where law enforcement response for emergency response is sporadic at best. | ||
| Death threats, death threats are up 8,000%, actual assaults up 1,300%. | ||
| I know because threats against me and my family have tripled in the last couple of weeks, they got a dangerous job to do. | ||
| Again, let us in the jail to arrest the public safety threat. | ||
| Because I said this a thousand times: when you force us in the community to find the public safety threat, many times you're with others, or we find others in the process of doing that. | ||
| If we find them, they're in a country legally, they're getting arrested too. | ||
| So more officers in the street means more collateral arrest. | ||
| We have promised American people going to force immigration on that. | ||
| Sarah Pierce, your response. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's actually a lot that Mr. Homan said there that I agree with, right? | ||
| When ICE officers are doing their job as they're intended and they make mistakes, they should be held accountable. | ||
| And that's actually the first time I've seen or heard an official from this administration talk about accountability for ICE officers since the significant events we've seen recently, including the shooting of Renee Goode. | ||
| Unfortunately, right after that shooting, most of the leadership from this administration was very quick to label Ms. Good as a problem or even a domestic terrorist and say that the ICE officer was completely in the right. | ||
| Where the response we need to be hearing from the administration is that they will take these events seriously, that they will investigate any potential problems, and that those who were in the wrong will be held accountable. | ||
| And it's true that when ICE is operating in communities, as opposed to working directly with law enforcement, that increases the danger both for those communities and for the ICE officers. | ||
| And unfortunately, this administration has chosen to pursue immigration enforcement tactics that put ICE into the communities and stretch them far beyond their training, which is why we're seeing so many problematic policing tactics today. | ||
| We'll go to our calls. | ||
| Jay in California, Democratic Caller, you are up first here for Sarah Pierce of Third Way. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
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| My name is Jay from California, Los Angeles County. | ||
| I just want to say about this immigration enforcement. | ||
| Here in LA County, ICE went into a local park, assaulted two county workers that were Mexican-American. | ||
| And we couldn't have this stuff if it was another. | ||
| It's just going crazy, this immigration. | ||
| They're only picking on people of color. | ||
| And where all these people at that don't threat on me, they're not even saying nothing about big government. | ||
| And I just think Trump's the biggest racist. | ||
| And as for these Latinos that voted for him, don't drink the Kool-Aid. | ||
| That's all I got to say. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Ms. Pierce. | ||
| Yeah, I think Jay shares a lot of the concerns that Americans are having today that immigration enforcement has been empowered to go out and make quick judgments about individuals based on the language they're speaking, based on the color of their skin, and then pursue actions from there. | ||
| And I think a lot of this is because, as opposed to being driven by concerns about public safety, this administration is pushing the men and women of ICE to think first about numbers and optics and the politics behind this all. | ||
| And unfortunately, the actions we're seeing on the ground are the results of that. | ||
| Armand, Lakeland, Florida, and Independent. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
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Good morning, Cease Dan, and thank you for taking my call. | |
| I wanted to get on with Chad Wolf because I really want this question answered. | ||
| But I'm really curious because I know that I'm in Florida and Texas, and the majority of the red states are right-to-work states. | ||
| And we have a lot of blue states out there that are being attacked because they actually pay wages to people. | ||
| But what I wanted to know is why are they not going after the employers? | ||
| Because there's so many people. | ||
| I've seen immigrants up on the roofs all over the place here. | ||
| They're not taking the immigrants off the roofs because they're going to screw up businesses for these companies. | ||
| And I just want to know, why are they going into the blue states? | ||
| Because they're the ones that are paying the wages to the we brought these immigrants here, but the people who brought them here are not being arrested. | ||
| I want to know when are these people going to be arrested? | ||
| Because I'm seeing all the people being attacked. | ||
| And I'm seeing the it. | ||
| Can you just answer me when are the they're going to go after the magnets? | ||
| These are the magnets that are. | ||
| I understood the question, Armand. | ||
| Sarah Pierce. | ||
| I think Armand is hitting upon a phenomenal question. | ||
| And it's been a tension in immigration enforcement since we created an immigration enforcement regime in this country. | ||
| It's the fact that individuals who are unauthorized provide labor and support the U.S. economy. | ||
| And that creates a difficult political tension for whatever administration is in power, whether those are Democrats or Republicans, in that businesses are important political supporters, and it creates a difficult political situation for the administration to go after the employers that are benefiting from the labor of unauthorized immigrants. | ||
| We have 13 million unauthorized immigrants in this country, and the majority of them are working. | ||
| And all of us really are benefiting from their labor. | ||
| And so going after the employers has always been a problem for immigration enforcement, no matter whether it's a Republican or Democratic administration. | ||
| And we've seen that tension in this administration in particular, right? | ||
| Early on, President Trump said himself that, oh, no, immigration enforcement is not going to go after farm labor because he was hearing a lot from the farm labor lobby. | ||
| And then the administration walked that back a few days later. | ||
| But at the same time, Armand is right. | ||
| We haven't seen a lot of work site enforcement from this administration. | ||
| And as they continue to try to pursue these politically driven numbers that they're trying to pursue, I suspect we're going to see more work site enforcement, which is going to increase those tensions between this administration and the business community. | ||
| So I think that's a really important and problematic issue. | ||
| And it's definitely one to watch in the next year. | ||
| Michael's in Suffolk, Virginia, Democratic Color. | ||
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| Good morning, Ms. Pierce. | ||
| I was just wondering, and I'm watching the show this morning. | ||
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And the first thing that caught my ear was the last clip Greta played about Wolf. | |
| He called, he said that he described the people as colored people. | ||
| And that's a dog whistle for racists, I believe, when you call someone colored. | ||
| That's what they call black people back in the early days doing Reconstruction and everything, colored people. | ||
| And I thought that was kind of telling about what kind of guy this guy is. | ||
| And I did have another question. | ||
| Okay, if they're picking up criminal rapists and child molesters, murderers, why don't they have any search warrants? | ||
| Why aren't the people being prosecuted in courts for doing those crimes of raping, molesting children, murdering people, and stuff like that? | ||
| There's absolutely nobody in court being charged with those crimes. | ||
| All right, Michael, we'll take you. | ||
| Michael, we'll take your points. | ||
| Sarah Pierce. | ||
| Michael brought out so many good points. | ||
| So first, on the issue of dog whiffles and the problematic rhetoric that we're hearing from this administration, that's been a huge concern, especially when you're looking at their recruitment efforts. | ||
| Their recruitment efforts are frequently harkening back to racist phrases or phrases that we saw even used in Nazi Germany saying things like defend your culture and different items like that that have raised a lot of questions about what type of individuals they're trying to attract to these immigration enforcement positions. | ||
| And then the question about are they actually going after criminals? | ||
| Are they actually going after the worst of the worst is something that has been a huge problem in this administration. | ||
| You know, supposedly they're going after the worst of the worst, but we all know that currently the individuals detained in immigration enforcement detention, more than 70% of them don't have criminal records. | ||
| At the same time, this administration has pulled tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers from their normal public safety missions where they would have been focused on human trafficking, child exploitation, money laundering, drug smuggling, and instead put them to focus on civil immigration enforcement. | ||
| So as a result, absolutely, this administration is failing to go after very legitimate public safety threats in favor of pushing for these immigration enforcement numbers, which are not, absolutely not going after the worst of the worst. | ||
| Trish is in Vista, California, an independent. | ||
| Good morning, Trish. | ||
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| Listen, I'm just wondering what happened to the American citizen and what we stand for. | ||
| We've seen a lot of infiltration from the communist type way of thinking from our colleges, right, to being paid to protest. | ||
| And this is not helping anybody. | ||
| Trish, Trish, tie this back to immigration enforcement. | ||
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And we move on and we try and create unity. | |
| All right. | ||
| I'm going to go on to Nelson, who's in Florida, Republican caller. | ||
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| Morning, Nelson. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Ms. Pierce, I appreciate the fact that you're being civil regarding all of this, but I think I disagree with most of your premise. | ||
| It seems to me that these particular governors and mayors who are not supporting federal law are themselves in violation of that federal law. | ||
| If anyone should be brought to justice, eventually I think it should be them. | ||
| They have created a problem that has been magnified because of their irresponsible, quote, leadership. | ||
| Also, Ms. Pierce, I never heard of Third Way, and I'd like to know a little more about your organization and where you get your funding from. | ||
| Okay, we'll take that, Nelson. | ||
| We'll take those questions. | ||
| Sarah Pierce. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Thank you, Nelson. | ||
| So, to start, Third Way is a center-left think tank that pushes for policy changes that the majority of Americans support. | ||
| You can go on our website, thirdway.org, to learn more about us, including where our funding comes from. | ||
| And I'm really happy that Nelson brought up the point of the concept of sanctuary jurisdictions, right? | ||
| Because this administration has characterized certain blue cities and certain blue states as in violation of federal law, saying that they're not cooperating with immigration enforcement. | ||
| That is not true. | ||
| So, there are certain states and localities that decide to limit the amount that their local law enforcement will participate in federal immigration enforcement. | ||
| And that is because local law enforcement's primary mission is the public safety of their local communities. | ||
| And they don't necessarily have the resources to give to immigration enforcement or to hand over to civil immigration enforcement, which is a federal responsibility, not a state or local responsibility. | ||
| Also, certain state and local law enforcement jurisdictions have decided that participating in federal immigration enforcement breaks that community trust, which is one of the most important things you need to build up to establish public safety. | ||
| We actually recently put out a piece on this called Sanctuary Isn't What You Think, where we list all of the ways that some of the most commonly vilified, supposedly sanctuary jurisdictions actually do participate in federal civil immigration enforcement because every single one of them do participate to a certain degree. | ||
| It's the limiting limitations that they put on it have unfortunately just been horribly mischaracterized by this administration. | ||
| We'll go to Perry Montgomery, Alabama, Democratic caller. | ||
| Good morning, Perry. | ||
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Good morning, and thank you for taking my call. | |
| I have a question. | ||
| We're always talking about a country that's a country of laws and those things like that. | ||
| So, when it comes to the immigration law, which year this law we govern by now? | ||
| Because we know Trump went back to the 1700s for what he decided to do. | ||
| So, what are we on with these laws and then the refugee laws that we have in this country? | ||
| Sarah Pierce, I think he's asking about enforcement laws that Congress says ICE needs to carry out sure. | ||
| So, our immigration laws are all antiquated and they have been changed throughout the years, but really we haven't seen any significant changes to our immigration laws, unfortunately, in decades, which is a problem that has led to much of what we see today. | ||
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| Our main immigration law was established in 1965. | ||
| There were significant updates to that law, including on immigration enforcement during both the 1980s and in the early 1990s. | ||
| And we do frequently hear that this administration is using very, very antiquated laws, such as the Alien Enemies Act, going back to the 1800s. | ||
| That's one thing that this administration has done, quite frankly, very well, is searched Our statutes to see what sort of integrated laws are there on the books that they can use for their political purposes. | ||
| So, we do frequently in the news hear about these very, very old laws that are suddenly being used for the first time, and that's certainly a strength of this administration. | ||
| Judy, Rochester, New Hampshire, Independent. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| I just have a question about why weren't people complaining when Black Lives Matter when all these protesters were there burning down buildings, wearing masks, and then you had all these protesters against the Jewish people on the college campuses or anywhere else wearing masks, and they were bombing everything, they were destroying everything, and they call that a peaceful, peaceful protest. | ||
| Protesting is when you're on a corner of the street or on the side of a street with a sign versing your opinion on something and not destroying things. | ||
| But everybody's complaining about ICE wearing masks to protect themselves from threats and their family. | ||
| I can remember on Black Lives Matter, one lady who's yelling out her window to all those protesters: please do not burn down this building. | ||
| I have children in here. | ||
| And the guy took a can of kerosene and burned that damn building right down with those kids in there. | ||
| Now, is that called peaceful, or am I insane and don't realize what the word peaceful means anymore? | ||
| And it's mostly the Democrats who are causing all these problems. | ||
| If those Democratic governors and mayors would just enforce the law and help them, then you wouldn't have your ICE agents there. | ||
| I think they're doing a great job, and I would like to see all the illegals removed from the country, especially if they have committed a crime. | ||
| It could be your next child who might be raped, or you might be murdered, or they will give them drugs. | ||
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What is wrong with you people? | |
| I just don't understand it. | ||
| Okay, Judy, Sarah Pierce. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So, I mean, let me start with the use of masks. | ||
| It is wrong to attack or to hurt or to threaten a law enforcement official in any way. | ||
| We don't want to see law enforcement officials threatened. | ||
| But the use of masks and the failure of ICE to identify themselves to individuals that they're speaking with, or certainly to individuals that they're detaining, increases, significantly increases the distrust that is flowering between ICE and local communities. | ||
| Also, it has actually led to impersonation crimes, which have gotten so bad that the FBI had to put out a warning to its local offices, excuse me, to keep an eye out for individuals who are using masks to impersonate ICE officers because the ICE officers' use of masks has become so significant. | ||
| So, we really need ICE officers to stop using masks. | ||
| Certainly, we want the threats against ICE officers to decrease as well. | ||
| But that's all part of de-escalating this situation. | ||
| And is it something that this administration really needs to take a lead on? | ||
| Second, I'd love to touch on the point of the potential threat that unauthorized immigrants present to Americans. | ||
| Of course, it's well established that unauthorized immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than U.S. citizens. | ||
| But if we are, and as we should be, concerned about the threats of drugs, of homicides, of exploiting children, then we should want our federal law enforcement officers focusing on those crimes. | ||
| This administration has pulled tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers who previously were investigating those crimes to instead focus on civil immigration enforcement and driving up this administration's deportation numbers. | ||
| In fact, before President Trump took office, there was an agency almost entirely devoted to focusing on these crimes. | ||
| Homeland Security Investigations was an arm within ICE that was entirely focused on looking at crimes including child exploitation, human trafficking, drug smuggling, and money laundering. | ||
| And on day one, President Trump issued an executive order to move all of those law enforcement officers in Homeland Security investigations to instead focus on civil immigration enforcement. | ||
| So I share the callers' concern about those significant crimes in our countries, and I really wish that this administration would refocus on the most important and scariest public safety threats. | ||
| Daniel, Great Falls, Virginia, on our line for Republicans, you're on this morning with Sarah Pierce of Third Way. | ||
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Good morning, Steve Span. | |
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| First point I just want to make is regarding this issue. | ||
| You're talking about dog whistle words and things like that. | ||
| Nobody can keep up with the Democrats' word games at this point. | ||
| The Democrats are getting wackier and wackier by the day. | ||
| You talk about this person shouldn't have said colored people, but yet you can say people of color. | ||
| That's the new term that we can use. | ||
| The Democrats play these word games and it gets crazier. | ||
| You know, you used to have Democrats at the national level who were pro-life. | ||
| You don't have that anymore. | ||
| You used to have Democrats at the national level who were pro-Second Amendment. | ||
| You don't have that anymore. | ||
| You've got a Democrat Party now that claims they can't define what a woman is, that they think men can get pregnant. | ||
| The Democrats are getting wackier and wackier by the day. | ||
| Now, in regards to this immigration thing, if you do you think Joe Biden had a mandate to let 10 to 15 million people unvetted come across our border? | ||
| If you think that, I would like to know your answer to that. | ||
| And then you constantly deflect. | ||
| You constantly say things like, oh, they had to pull people from these 10,000 officers from this to do this. | ||
| Well, they wouldn't have had to do any of that if the Biden administration didn't let all these people in the first place, unvetted. | ||
| Where's your concern for all the children who were trafficked up here and are missing and can't be accounted for, who are passed off in this country? | ||
| Who knows who? | ||
| All right, Daniel. | ||
| Sarah Pierce. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sorry, I'm just trying to decide where to start. | ||
| Let's talk about the children because I know that was an issue during the last interview as well. | ||
| So when unaccompanied children come up to our southern border, we have an entire system in place that Congress itself established where those individuals who are apprehended by the Department of Homeland Security are then handed over to our HHS, our human services department. | ||
| That department is then responsible for housing and caring for those children while looking for local sponsors. | ||
| The majority of their sponsors end up being close family relatives. | ||
| So HHS then releases those children to close family relatives while their immigration cases are going on. | ||
| Over the years, there tends to be a rumor that those children go missing. | ||
| HHS does follow-up phone calls, and because of distrust between immigrant communities and our federal government, frequently people don't answer those phone calls, and those numbers tend to be misused to say that those children have gone missing. | ||
| So I think that there are a lot of problems with the ways we handle unaccompanied children and they need to be looked at. | ||
| But I do think it's wrong to mischaracterize saying that hundreds of thousands of children have gone missing in the United States. | ||
| Fortunately, really, that's simply not true. | ||
| And yes, there were a very, very extraordinarily high number of individuals who approached the southern border during the Biden administration. | ||
| And there were a lot of very problematic reasons for that. | ||
| And this administration has taken their voting into office and the high number of individuals, high number of voters that supported them because of their concerns about what happened under immigration, under the Biden administration, as a political mandate to do exactly what they're doing today, to have this immigration force that is going through the streets masked and arresting individuals indiscriminately. | ||
| And I do disagree with that. | ||
| I think that this administration was definitely voted to office by individuals who were concerned about what happened on immigration under President Biden. | ||
| But that didn't mean that they wanted masked individuals roaming the streets, breaking car windows, pulling people from cars, arresting U.S. citizens, assaulting individuals in the streets. | ||
| That simply meant that voters wanted to see our immigration enforcement laws enforced. | ||
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| It didn't mean that they wanted something to be so politicized and so clearly driven by optics and numbers and rather than public safety. | ||
| Harry's in Greenville, North Carolina. | ||
| Democratic caller. | ||
| Good morning, Harry. | ||
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Morning. | |
| We have to get back on Epstein. | ||
| All this stuff that's going on with all the practicing for another two. | ||
| But Epstein, all this stuff is going on because they want to take us away from Epstein. | ||
| Epstein's the secret. | ||
| Harry, we'll talk about the latest on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation in Congress coming up in open forum this hour on the Washington Journal. | ||
| Any public policy or political issue on your mind, and we'll get to that coming up. | ||
| David in Missouri, Independent. | ||
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