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President Nicolas Maduro with Francisco Minaldi, Director of the Latin American Energy Program at Rice University's Baker Institute. | |
| And we'll discuss the CDC's overhaul of the childhood immunization schedule, which lowers the number of recommended vaccines with Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Vaccine Education Center director and former FDA Advisory Committee member Dr. Paul Offutt. | ||
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| This is Washington Journal for today, Saturday, January 10th. | ||
| From questions about America's role in Venezuela and potentially Greenland to the fatal shooting of a Minnesota woman by an ICE official and Congress defying Republican leadership on health care, it was another busy and consequential week here in Washington. | ||
| So this morning, we want to know what's your top news story of the week. | ||
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| Our top story this morning is President Trump meeting with oil executives at the White House yesterday as his administration tries to strike a deal to get them to invest in the oil fields in Venezuela. | ||
| Questions remain after the White House's capture of Nicolas Maduro, former Venezuelan president, and President Trump's comments that he will run Venezuela and that the U.S. will profit from its oil fields. | ||
| Yesterday at the White House, I asked President Trump how the White House plans to distribute the funds that they make from those sales. | ||
| Take a listen. | ||
| Administration plan to distribute the money from the Venezuela oil sales. | ||
| Is it going, obviously, you say it's going to go into these controlled accounts. | ||
| Would it go back to Venezuela in a direct payment? | ||
| Is it going through these goods? | ||
| How do you plan to do this? | ||
| Well, we want to make sure that Venezuela can survive. | ||
| You know, Venezuela needs money, and we're going to make sure that they get money, and we're going to get money, and the oil companies are going to make something for the work they do, and they're going to get back their money. | ||
| We're devising a formula, but it won't be so much of a formula. | ||
| It's going to be what they need. | ||
| We're going to take care of what they need. | ||
| There'll be plenty left over. | ||
| We're going to have a lot of money left over. | ||
| And the money left over is going to the United States of America, and the oil companies are going to be very happy. | ||
| Would the administration offer a backstop to these oil companies for, like, financial guarantees, some sort of backstop, if the country did destabilize again? | ||
| That's a very interesting question. | ||
| Using the word backstop, I haven't heard that word in a long time. | ||
| That was at the Wharton School of Finance last year. | ||
| That's a good term. | ||
| We ought to use it more often. | ||
| I hope I don't have to give a backstop. | ||
| I'm just, look, these are very smart people. | ||
| The smartest people that are not only in oil and business, these are the biggest companies in the world sitting around this table. | ||
| They know the risks. | ||
| I mean, there are risks. | ||
| We're going to help them out. | ||
| We're going to make it real easy. | ||
| They're going to be there for a long time. | ||
| We're going to be there together for a long, long time. | ||
| And they're going to be taking the oil and they're going to be bringing oil prices down. | ||
| They're going to make a lot of money. | ||
| They're going to get their money back. | ||
| They're going to be safe. | ||
| The people of Venezuela are going to be big beneficiaries, and the United States of America is going to be a big beneficiary for what we've done. | ||
| That was the president yesterday at the White House talking about both financial guarantees to oil companies if they did invest in Venezuela and how the U.S. plans to distribute those funds. | ||
| Now, seated beside the president at the White House were a number of oil executives from various companies, including Darren Woods, CEO of ExxonMobil, who shared some hesitation, perhaps, on whether or not his company was ready to invest in Venezuela. | ||
| Take a listen here. | ||
| There are a number of legal and commercial frameworks that would have to be established to even understand what kind of returns we'd get on the investments. | ||
| So I think all the investments and the opportunity sets, I think everyone sitting around this table would have the opportunity and the know-how and the capability to make the investments. | ||
| The questions will ultimately be how durable are the protections from a financial standpoint? | ||
| What do the returns look like? | ||
| What are the commercial arrangements, the legal frameworks? | ||
| All those things have to be put in place in order to make a decision to understand what your return would be over the next several decades that these billion dollars investments would be made on. | ||
| That was Darren Woods of ExxonMobil talking about how his company is thinking about whether or not to invest in the oil fields in Venezuela. | ||
| Let's turn to your phone calls. | ||
| Katana from North Carolina and Independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| My question is about the inherent power of the president. | ||
| Justice Sutherland's Curtis Wright decision claims the president has K-V powers from George III, but a president doesn't need a co-signer. | ||
| If these powers are inherent, why does the Constitution require a co-signer for every foreign power from treaties to appointments? | ||
| And where was this kingly dragon during the Articles of Confederation when we were a sovereign union? | ||
| No president for years. | ||
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We have dissolved that power into the ocean that is the people. | |
| Isn't inherent power just a whitewash to let a contract employee act like a king? | ||
| Katana, I wonder if those comments are associated with any particular story from this week. | ||
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It's with the power to even invade Venezuela and things like that. | |
| We're letting the president move in a way that he needs a co-signer for, which means you don't have absolute sovereign authority, you know, to do these things. | ||
| You need Congress. | ||
| Andrew Sterling from Virginia, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
| Good morning, ma'am. | ||
| With all due respect to that peaceful protester, Renee Goode, who was senselessly shot and murdered by Trump's goon squad. | ||
| I feel so bad for her, her three young children. | ||
| I cannot believe that this is what we've come to in the United States, where now Trump's goons are going after not only illegal, undocumented workers, not only documented, undocumented workers who are living here peacefully just trying to make a living to feed their children. | ||
| Now they're going after American citizens and shooting them dead in the streets. | ||
| I feel bad for her, but my number one story is the January 6th anniversary, the fifth anniversary, of how this country, the American voters, stupidly voted, not once, not twice, to re-elect this traitorous insurrectionist who attempted to steal an election. | ||
| I want to give you a little backstory. | ||
| Two of my biggest heroes in my life are my father and my father-in-law, who both served. | ||
| One, my father served in the Korean War. | ||
| My father-in-law served in World War II. | ||
| He later became part of the group of people who tried Nazi Germany criminals at the Nuremberg trials. | ||
| Two of my biggest heroes. | ||
| If they were alive today, thank God they didn't live long enough to witness Donald Trump and what he's done to destroy our country. | ||
| They would have been horrified that such a convicted felon, a traitorous, corrupt insurrectionist, was allowed by a far-right legal system to get away with basically murder. | ||
| Richard from Little Rock, Arkansas, a Republican, you're next. | ||
| Once I click on your number, yep, I can hear you. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Okay, yeah. | |
| Well, to that communist from Virginia, if the Nazis were bad, that means the communists were good because Hitler was trying to stave off the communist invasion of Germany. | ||
| And to that woman who called from North Carolina, that sounded like Katanji Brown. | ||
| But my main point was that ice, baby. | ||
| If you're stupid enough to get in front of these quote-unquote Nazi goons, well, you deserve what you get. | ||
| Stay out of the way. | ||
| Illegals, go home. | ||
| And since two callers have brought it up, I'll just turn to this article from The Hill published on the 8th. | ||
| The headline is: Bondi warns Minneapolis protesters not to cross, quote, red line. | ||
| And it says that Attorney General Pam Bondi, excuse me, Attorney General Prambondi issued a warning to Minnesotans protesting the federal immigration crackdown in the state, telling them not to cross a red line. | ||
| She wrote in a post, peacefully protesting is a sacred American right protected by the First Amendment, but obstructing, impending, or attacking federal law enforcement is a federal crime, so is damaging federal property. | ||
| If you cross that line, you will be arrested and prosecuted. | ||
| Do not test our resolve. | ||
| Josh from Massachusetts, an independent. | ||
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Hi, it's John from Massachusetts, and happy birthday to my father, Homer. | |
| I just wanted to say, I don't remember all these Democrats crying about using his progression and his training when Michael Byrd shot Ashley Babbitt in the neck. | ||
| Was that his first move? | ||
| Did anybody question that? | ||
| Where were all the Democrats with all their questions about de-escalation and everything when Michael Bird shot Ashley Babbitt in the neck on January 6th? | ||
| There weren't all these people crying about it. | ||
| And where's the cooperation? | ||
| They want cooperation between the federal government and the Minnesota state and local authorities. | ||
| Yet state and local authorities will not cooperate with federal authorities on illegal immigrants in my state of Massachusetts when they're rapists, murderers, and molesters of Massachusetts residents. | ||
| They will not cooperate with retainers for these illegal aliens. | ||
| So I don't want to hear about cooperation between the feds and the state and the local until all the Democrat states want to cooperate with the federal authorities on that. | ||
| So, and as for unvetted and untrained workers for ICE or the Border Patrol, is that what you said when you hired 400,000 people under Joe Biden? | ||
| And my grandfather would have rolled in his grave if he saw Joe Biden open up the border, let all these illegal aliens in, and push all this money to all these foreign countries. | ||
| So thanks for doing nothing for Americans, Massachusetts Democrats. | ||
| Paul from England, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hello there. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Yes, regarding the Venetian Australia conflict, I think it's all about oil. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| And I think Donald Trump should keep him out of mouthshot for all things as well. | ||
| You've got to be careful because he's doing too much damage to the country, America, I reckon, and to the world as well. | ||
| So be careful up there, Donald Trump. | ||
| So be careful. | ||
| Just don't say too much. | ||
| That's what we're going to say. | ||
| Annie from California, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
| What's your top news story of the week? | ||
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It would be the shooting in Minneapolis. | |
| Do you want to expound on that? | ||
| What about that story struck you? | ||
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It just kind of reminds me of when I was a kid, the shooting at Kent State, when there were four students protesting and they shot them dead in the street. | |
| And so it's pretty astounding to me. | ||
| Guessite. | ||
| Donnie from Italy, a Republican. | ||
| What's your top news story of the week? | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Longtime listener, first-time caller, this is Donnie. | ||
| I have been following very closely the situation in Iran, which also has to do with the capture of the dictator, the drug dealer in Venezuela. | ||
| And after the whole oil story of the week, which the gentleman from England has pointed out, which could be true, but I would be very myself careful to characterize the president of the United States to tell him to be careful. | ||
| But the top story about Iran, as the president has pointed out, is that him and his administration, which are truly, truly are going to be hopefully the champion for the people of Iran, which at this moment, which the regime has cut off the internet, which they don't have any human rights, any, none. | ||
| At least if someone, and that's an unfortunate thing to watch, and I'm not going to comment on an ongoing investigation which is happening in Minnesota. | ||
| But people in Iran, they don't even have these basic rights. | ||
| This has been stripped from them by a repressive regime of 47 years. | ||
| And their only hope, their only hope, is this president of the United States, the 45th and 47th president. | ||
| As I have said yesterday, as I went to the consulate of this great country in Milan, and I passed a note and I said, Mr. President, we're standing back and we're standing by because you, sir, are a champion of freedom. | ||
| May God bless the great people of the United States of America. | ||
| Thank you very much for this time. | ||
| That was Donnie from Italy, and he spoke about the ongoing protests in Iran. | ||
| I'll point to a New York Times article in the Saturday paper. | ||
| The headline here is: Iran's supreme leader vows further crackdowns. | ||
| And it says, Iran's supreme leader vowed on Friday that the government would, quote, not back down in the face of protests that have rocked the country in recent weeks as the country's leadership threatened to escalate its crackdown on demonstrators. | ||
| Quote, there are people whose job is only about destruction, the Ayatollah said in a televised speech in Tehran. | ||
| He accused the protesters of being vandals who were trying to please President Trump. | ||
| Iran was plunged into an internet blackout on Thursday as demonstrators demanding the ouster of the government spread and grew in size. | ||
| Rob from Michigan and Independent, you're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| The events of the past week have brought charges from both sides saying that we are fighting because the other side wants to put democracy at risk. | ||
| And to both sides, democracy is put at risk when rioters storm the Capitol to prevent the results of an election. | ||
| Democracy is put at risk when one side says this is not our president, and there are riots throughout the country, and more police are assaulted than there were at the Capitol. | ||
| Democracy is put at risk when a governor and police stand in front of schools to prevent integration, say we don't believe in the federal law. | ||
| And democracy is put at risk when a governor and police try to interfere with the immigration laws as they exist and interfere with the federal officers. | ||
| So, yes, democracy is at risk from both sides. | ||
| Rob, is there a top news story that you can associate to your comments? | ||
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The past week, the January 6th, where they were again bringing up the riots, and yet there was no mention of the not our president and the riots and the destruction of private property, the assault on police officers in 2016, obviously the shooting of the ICE by the ICE agent, and yet nobody remembers the use of federal troops trying to enforce the desegregation laws. | |
| So both sides have got monovision. | ||
| Tony from Michigan, a Democrat. | ||
| Once I find your name, Jack. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Good morning, Jasmine. | ||
| Happy New Year. | ||
| Happy New Year. | ||
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And you look beautiful. | |
| Thank you, Vance. | ||
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No problem. | |
| My comment would be: first off, the callers calling in kind of like giving credit for talking like what Donald Trump has unleashed on the country is a good thing. | ||
| This is terrible. | ||
| I mean, the authoritarianism, the talking about taking over countries by force, all of this stuff is un-American. | ||
| And then you have the vice president of the United States of America going on TV, calling a mother of three a terrorist in Minnesota. | ||
| I can remember Barack Obama was the president, and Lewis Gates, the guy who does the genes, he locked himself out of his house. | ||
| And a neighbor called the police on him, and the cops came and arrested him. | ||
| And Barack Obama chimed in and made the comment that what the cop did was stupid. | ||
| And the Republicans went crazy about it. | ||
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They went so hard on Barack Obama that they had to have a beer gate and sit outside with the cop and all of this. | |
| I mean, it's so ironic that you had January the 6th cops were beaten, beaten by protest rioters, and then Donald Trump pardoned them. | ||
| And now you have an ICE agent murdering an innocent mother of three. | ||
| Just cold-blood murder. | ||
| And then they're calling her a terrorist. | ||
| Something is wrong. | ||
| Everything seems to be going backwards. | ||
| And this is downright crazy. | ||
| So the caller mentioned Vice President Vance in his comments from earlier this week. | ||
| I point to an NBC article. | ||
| It says, Vance says the death of Minnesota woman killed by ICE was a, quote, tragedy of her own making. | ||
| In a fiery triade, Vance defended the ICE officer who fatally shot Renee Nicole Good and claimed that she had been brainwashed. | ||
| And if you go a little bit further in the story, it says that Vance, in his voice at times, raising his anger as he took questions in the White House briefing room, also lectured the media for its coverage of the incident while offering few details to back up his vision of events. | ||
| Quote, I'm not happy that this woman lost her life, Vance said of Renee Nicole Goode, who was fatally shot. | ||
| President Trump has said that Good was, quote, resisting orders and viciously ran over the ICE official during an immigration-related operation in the city. | ||
| Officials and eyewitnesses have disputed this account. | ||
| And just a little bit further on Vance, he said, I'm not happy that this woman was there to proviating law by interfering with the law enforcement action. | ||
| Jim from Mart, Texas, a Republican. | ||
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Yeah, I'd just like to say, God bless the police officer and all the police officers that try to bring sanity. | |
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They were there to try to arrest a child molester and a rapist. | |
| And the left-wing lunatics come up there and try to block them from what they're doing. | ||
| And God bless JD Vance, Christy Noon, and they should decorate that officer because he probably saves other officers' lives too. | ||
| They're there trying to do the law. | ||
| And they have to left-wing lunatics come up there and try to block them. | ||
| And they should have arrested her earlier in the day. | ||
| You know, but she was just a lunatic, her and her little lesbian partner. | ||
| Richard from Nashville, Tennessee, and Independent, you're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Venezuela. | ||
| I have a very good friend for the last 10 years that I've known. | ||
| He's married to a lady from Venezuela, born and raised there. | ||
| Most of her family had to flee Venezuela back when Chavez and then Maduro came in to play. | ||
| Her family owned land there. | ||
| They were very successful. | ||
| They lost everything. | ||
| Some of her family members got killed. | ||
| You want to have a communist government in America? | ||
| You allow them to be on your back door. | ||
| Remember Cuba when Cuba was a free country before Castro took over? | ||
| Guess what happened? | ||
| Conrad Hilton asked his family what happened to all of their businesses in Cuba. | ||
| It was taken over, just like what happened in Venezuela. | ||
| So these people that are calling in, they have no, they have no history. | ||
| They have no education. | ||
| And as far as that was my story of the week, but as far as the woman in Minnesota, if she hadn't been there, she put herself at risk. | ||
| So, end of story. | ||
| So watch out, George Soros. | ||
| American people are coming for you. | ||
| We know who's funding all this stuff. | ||
| Thank you, and you have a good day. | ||
| Robert Messa from Arizona, a Democrat. | ||
| I'm going to say Robert from Messa, Arizona, a Democrat. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You're next. | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| My story, the one I'm interested in, is the Good murder in Minnesota. | ||
| I'm a former executive officer in a military police battalion. | ||
| And from what they said about weaponizing, if I was at the Capitol and I had control of my battalion and my companies in the battalion, I would open fire on all of those people that weaponized plague poles who attacked. | ||
| And I'll tell you another thing. | ||
| You're talking about January 6th. | ||
| If actually Babbitt had come through the window or the door of my house, they would be today picking her up with a sponge. | ||
| And you're going to tell me that the Bradley from Wyoming, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Yes, ma'am. | |
| West Virginia, not Wyoming. | ||
| Excuse me, West Virginia. | ||
| I obviously need my glasses this week. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Good morning, C-SPAN. | ||
| I haven't called in a while, but anyway, the point, I've tried to get this through two or three times. | ||
| I used to be a Democrat, and all this lying and all this stuff going on with the Democrat Party, I couldn't stand it. | ||
| So I changed my politics like a lot of other people did to Republican. | ||
| And one of the main reasons I did is I'm a veteran. | ||
| I'm a Vietnam veteran. | ||
| And I found out through the TV networks and news networks that back when Biden was the president, he was going to run the border runners and all these illegals through the VA hospital for medical treatment. | ||
| Well, I want to tell you something. | ||
| The veterans is having a hard time getting treatment. | ||
| So, you know, I thought it was political BS. | ||
| And anyway. | ||
| Is that where you read that, Bradley? | ||
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I didn't read it, ma'am. | |
| It was on TV news. | ||
| I don't know if it was Fox or what station was on because I watched three or four different stations. | ||
| But it was on TV and I thought it was a bunch of baloney. | ||
| Are you still on there? | ||
| I'm listening to you. | ||
| I'm just trying to Google it. | ||
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I thought it was a bunch of people. | |
| I'm trying to find what you're talking about. | ||
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Okay, ma'am. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| I thought it was a bunch of campaign baloney, you know, so I kind of shined it off. | ||
| And I was talking to a Vietnam Veterans Organization chief in Maryland because I had paid too much money for my life membership, and he wanted to make sure my check that I should cash that check. | ||
| So anyway, I questioned him about this. | ||
| Now, I'm talking to top man in D.C. | ||
| And I questioned him about it, and he said, Mr. Toler, that's new on me, but you call me next week, and I will inform you what happened. | ||
| Well, I give him a week, called him on Thursday, and he said, Mr. Toler, you're 100% right. | ||
| If it hadn't been for all the organizations, VFW, DAV, Vietnam veterans, American Legion, and all the organizations supporting the veterans, that would have gone in, and we would have been having the illegals going into VA hospitals. | ||
| And, you know, that is sad. | ||
| And all you Democrats and Republicans both that don't believe that call you somebody that will check it for you and you will find out different. | ||
| Now, as far as all this shooting and banging in Missouri or whatever state it is, Minneapolis. | ||
| Minnesota. | ||
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Minneapolis. | |
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| Thank you, ma'am. | ||
| All this shooting and stuff. | ||
| Listen, when the cop asked a girl to get out of the door, you don't do what she done. | ||
| Number one, she started right there. | ||
| Number one, she started when she was out there blocking and protesting. | ||
| Number two, she messed up when she didn't get out of the car like she's supposed to. | ||
| Number three, when she accelerated there and hit that guy, I mean, you can see it. | ||
| Wake your eyes up, Democrats, and get you some glasses on or something. | ||
| She hit the guy. | ||
| So you're going to tell me that she's in the right. | ||
| So, you know, you Democrats out there and you radical people that's calling in, you need to wake up. | ||
| That was Bradley from Iowa. | ||
| He mentioned initially a story about the VA paying for illegal migrants. | ||
| I point to a military.com article from January 2024. | ||
| The headline is: Is VA paying for migrant health care? | ||
| The agency says no, despite a wave of political attacks. | ||
| A little bit further in The article, it says, a 22-year-old arrangement between the Departments of Veteran Affairs and Immigration Customs Enforcement has drawn ire from conservatives in Congress who claims it puts health care for detained migrants over that of veterans, but the VA says it has no impact whatsoever on veteran services or health care and costs the agency nothing. | ||
| I would say go back and read that, but obviously there's another article from Steve Daines on his Senate website. | ||
| It says Daines slams Biden administration for using VA health care resources on illegal immigrants instead of veterans. | ||
| So there's a bunch of links if people want to search more about that story. | ||
| Dennis from Iowa, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Yes, all these Republican calls who are calling in, who love Trump, please do me a favor and send him money because I love seeing him use your money to pay off porn stars he cheated with. | |
| Catherine from Bolingbrook, Illinois, an independent. | ||
| That's a bill from Michigan. | ||
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Hold so. | |
| Catherine, you're not. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| And there's something that struck me very deeply this morning in watching the subsequent video that came out, and that is Renee Good actually engages momentarily with her shooter and she says, I am not angry with you. | ||
| Moments later, she is shot and killed. | ||
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It struck me because this is like when Jesus was, you know, held and killed and murdered. | |
| He forgave before he actually died. | ||
| She was, I don't understand this quite clearly, but somehow this is a moment in time when we see a person whose heart is in the right place at the right time, and when she stands before God, God accepts her because she basically forgave the person who murdered her. | ||
| That's all I wanted to say. | ||
| So that caller was referencing a video that was released yesterday by outlet Alpha News, which showed the officer's perspective. | ||
| I point to a Hill article before we see if we can possibly find that version of the video. | ||
| It says, White House shares video of Minneapolis shooting from ICE officers' perspective. | ||
| The White House on Friday shared a new video that appears to show the perspective of the ICE officer who shot and killed a Minneapolis woman. | ||
| During the altercation, the video obtained by Alpha News shows the officer exit his video and approach Renee Nicole Macklin Good's vehicle from the right. | ||
| As the officer walks around to her driver's side, Macklin Goods' window is down and she could be heard saying, Quote, that's all right, dude. | ||
| I'm not mad at you. | ||
| I'm not mad at you. | ||
| As the officer circles the car, another woman appears saying, you want to come at us? | ||
| You want to come at us? | ||
| I say, go get yourself some lunch, big boy. | ||
| The officer then circles around the front of the vehicle as the second woman is seen pulling the locked passenger side of the door of Macklin Goods' vehicle. | ||
| The officer are heard saying, Then get out of the car, get out of the effing car. | ||
| The video does not show the moment shots are fired. | ||
| As Macklin Goode's car moves forward and to the right of the officer, the camera is jostled, capturing the sound of his firing shots, only to be lifted in time to see her vehicle careen down the road. | ||
| As the vehicle travels, a voice is overheard saying, effing B-word. | ||
| The camera then focuses on the street, but captures the sound of Maclan Good's vehicle hitting the parked car. | ||
| Ed from Columbia Station, Ohio, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yeah, good morning. | |
| See, just how you phrased that yourself in that last caller. | ||
| How about her wife? | ||
| And the woman wasn't being kind or the one that was. | ||
| Just to be clear here, Ed, what I just was talking about was reading an article from the Hill. | ||
| So I wasn't phrasing anything from my own perspective. | ||
| I was just reading an article, but continue. | ||
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How about the woman yelling, gun it, done it, right? | |
| When she, okay, her lover, her wife now, okay. | ||
| The one in the car is being sarcastic. | ||
| She wasn't being sincere. | ||
| And she was already blocking the streets, which were illegal to do all day. | ||
| She was there all day, eight hours before that shooting. | ||
| And they had enough. | ||
| And listen, I'm a 30-year vet. | ||
| I have a lot of guys that work. | ||
| I'm going pretty soon to work for the Border Patrol. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I have 17 other vets going to, too. | ||
| Now, listen, this cop, okay, he was our, there's 1,300% attacks on vehicles on ice, on just ice in the last year. | ||
| 1,300% up from a, it's a 5,000-pound weapon. | ||
| He put his siren on before anything happened, and she knew she was being arrested. | ||
| They had enough. | ||
| He said, he's out of the car. | ||
| There were three of them. | ||
| And right away, she's being smart. | ||
| And then the other one comes up there, and they're filming the whole thing, probably hoping to get it. | ||
| And then you're on top, I want to keep the point. | ||
| You're ignorant, low-information callers that are mostly Demarats, okay, understand. | ||
| They don't have the picture. | ||
| You got a governor and a mayor of that city from that day it happened to right now saying, F and this, they're murderers. | ||
| They are the ones that call him a murderer and everything else. | ||
| This guy did the right thing. | ||
| The right thing. | ||
| He was being run over. | ||
| He was drugged on another thing six months earlier. | ||
| He did the right thing. | ||
| The woman should have put it in parks and got out of the car. | ||
| They didn't even had to reach in there to get her. | ||
| And then she took off. | ||
| And if you look at it, it happens within a second or two. | ||
| His life's on the line. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| He asked her what's you know, there was an issue. | ||
| Ed, can I ask, do you believe that the officer was acting in self-defense, or do you believe that the woman was actively trying to run him over versus a rage? | ||
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And the Democrats were aware of the people who were in the middle of the day. | |
| Did you hear my question? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
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Democrat, senators, and people. | |
| Hey, Ed, did you hear my question? | ||
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They sacrificed their people. | |
| Ken from St. Louis, Missouri, a Democrat. | ||
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You're next. | |
| Good morning, Jasmine. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| I think we should be real honest here about this Renee Good murder. | ||
| I know the Republicans are, you know, anything Trump says, they'll believe because they're in a cult. | ||
| But why when they call in, they have to bring up she's a lesbian. | ||
| That strikes. | ||
| Does that make her some radical, a tourist? | ||
| Because she's a lesbian. | ||
| Let's talk about where the officer went around the car with his cell phone recording and then came to the front driver's corner with his cell phone still and drawed his weapon. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a veteran, too. | ||
| I know these people like calling their, you know, I'm a veteran, so I'll use that too. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a veteran. | ||
| And that is not standard procedure in any shape or form. | ||
| And Thirdly, after she's dead bleeding out in the car, they stand around like a bunch of idiots that are not trained because they're all proud boys. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I hope everybody gets out and protest and protest. | ||
| These Nazis need to get off our street, and Republicans that are firing on one brain masses need to watch the video. | ||
| Guy from Stigler, Oklahoma, an Independent, what is your top news story of the week? | ||
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Well, good morning, Jasmine. | |
| You look absolutely stunning today. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Yeah, you're welcome. | |
| Jasmine, could you please pull up that body cam video or the cell phone video that the policeman, the ICE officer had? | ||
| Yes, that we were just playing. | ||
| Yeah, but you got to show that to the viewers. | ||
| They have to see it from his point of view, where he was in front of the car, the car hits him, and he fires the shot. | ||
| I mean, that's the only way to really explain from the officer's perspective of self-defense. | ||
| Anyway, and January 6th, we now know that there was about 150 Antifa members there dressed up as Trump supporters. | ||
| And also, the number is vague, but at least 25 FBI agents that were there also dressed up as Trump supporters and fighting violence. | ||
| So there's something I'd like to read to you. | ||
| Last week, I guess it was about a month ago, Meeni made a statement about how illegal aliens do not receive government benefits. | ||
| I'd like to read this from the Federation for American Immigration Reform. | ||
| In fact, they're right down the street from you on Massachusetts Avenue, about a block and a half down the road. | ||
| In a report cited by the House Budget Committee in May of 2024, FAIR estimates a gross annual cost of $182 billion for state, federal, and local governments to cover expenses for law enforcement, education, and medical care for 20 million illegal aliens and their children. | ||
| And there's something else I'd like to address that Meany said also recently. | ||
| She keeps on saying that the Signal app is unsecure. | ||
| If you type in, if you Google, is Signal App Secure? | ||
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This is what it says. | |
| Yes, Signal App is widely considered a gold standard for securing messages due to the strong default and end-to-end encryption. | ||
| And then there's one more thing I'd like to talk about real quick, Jasmine, about the mass exodus going on from blue states. | ||
| There was a Democrat lady called in four or five days ago, and she said that the blue states have it going on. | ||
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And yes, she's right. | |
| They have a mass exodus going on. | ||
| In California, in the last four years, a million and a half people have fled. | ||
| A million people have left New York. | ||
| Almost a million people have left Illinois. | ||
| 100,000 people, Rhode Island. | ||
| And now we're seeing a mass exodus of companies leaving these states. | ||
| Everybody heard about the oil companies pulling out of California. | ||
| United Airlines and the Chicago Bears just announced last week that they're leaving Chicago. | ||
| I know I was upset by that. | ||
| I'm from Chicago. | ||
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I get it. | |
| I get it. | ||
| But why are they. | ||
| We don't need a dome over the stadium. | ||
| Chicago Bears are supposed to play in the snow, but continue. | ||
| I'm excited for the game tonight, though, but continue. | ||
| In Chicago, since 2023, one out of five businesses have left Chicago. | ||
| Chicago has lost 218 corporate headquarters since 2023. | ||
| It's ranked number two behind California. | ||
| And in California, in 2022, I'm sorry, 741 businesses left California, 533 in 2023. | ||
| And in 2024 and 2025, they wouldn't even report it because the numbers are so egregious. | ||
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But here's some of the companies. | |
| Everybody knows about testing. | ||
| Okay, guy, I'm going to give you 10 more seconds. | ||
| Wrap this up for me. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The thing is, people are fleeing the blue states, the red states, high cost of living, high taxes, high crime, and they're looking for a way out. | ||
| Thank you, Jasmine, and have a wonderful weekend. | ||
| Okay, one thing I want to point to what he said. | ||
| I'm reading a, it's on KSL, but it's a Reuters article from December 12, 2024. | ||
| It says, FBI did not send undercover operatives to join January SAC. 6 attack report says, and if you go deeper into it, it says a U.S. Justice Department watchdog release on Thursday debunked claims by far-right conspiracy theorists who allege that FBI operatives were secretly involved in the January 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol by now President-elect Donald Trump supporters. | ||
| To be clear, this was released under the Biden administration. | ||
| But it says that the Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz concluded there was no evidence to suggest that undercover FBI agents participated in the attack. | ||
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| Leah from South Carolina, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Good morning, beautiful lady. | |
| Hi. | ||
| You guys are being so nice today. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| But what I wanted to say, yeah, I'm in South Carolina, and right now we have a large group of Buddhist monks who are coming through our area, walking multiple states on a peace walk. | ||
| And with their little dog Loca, it's a beautiful thing. | ||
| It's a calming thing. | ||
| It's a spiritual thing. | ||
| And it's very refreshing to see, as opposed to all this chaos, hate, et cetera, on our community streets. | ||
| I wish these protesters could go back to their homes and look into all the issues we, the American people, have now. | ||
| We have rent that has tripled. | ||
| We have housing that people can't even get, a roof over their head. | ||
| We have homeless. | ||
| We have a horrible drug addiction problem. | ||
| People just walking around like zombies. | ||
| You know, just on and on, medical. | ||
| People with cancer. | ||
| We need a cure for cancer. | ||
| People dying every day with cancer. | ||
| But, you know, our parents always told us, stay out of trouble when you left home. | ||
| And I feel these protesters are looking for trouble and they're running into trouble. | ||
| And that's why this woman was shot. | ||
| So I say, clear our streets. | ||
| Let the law enforcement do what they need to do. | ||
| You know, stop being so negative about these people. | ||
| Thank God we have people who are, you know, on our streets trying to help us as opposed to these communist countries where if you were doing this, yes, you would be shot dead immediately. | ||
| So I just wish people would go back to their homes, start doing volunteer work. | ||
| There's kids out there that they're lost. | ||
| We have issues other than standing on the street corners, egging people on. | ||
| It causes trouble. | ||
| Thank you, beautiful lady. | ||
| Have a good one. | ||
| Okay, I'll point to what she referenced in the beginning of her comment. | ||
| It's an article from WLTX.com, and the headline is: Here's where you can see the monks on their walk for peace on Saturday and Sunday. | ||
| It goes on to say, The group of Buddhist monks on a cross-country walk for peace has finally reached the Midland counties of South Carolina. | ||
| The monks began their walk in Fort Worth, Texas on October 26th and will end it in Washington, D.C., highlighting Buddhism's long tradition for activism or peace. | ||
| Along the way, the monks have amassed a huge audience on social media with their Facebook page offering links to where you can find the group and how to support them along their journey. | ||
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| Tony from Cedar Hill, Texas, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi. | ||
| What I'd like to say is that Tony They're all involved. | ||
| They're all the same story. | ||
| All the stories. | ||
| And the reason we have all these stories is because of who's in charge. | ||
| And people don't realize that Donald Trump is the perfect vessel for a Lucifer character. | ||
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And hello. | |
| I can hear you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he's bringing all this to truition. | ||
| And he also has four deadly horsemen. | ||
| And the first one is Pestilence, who is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. who will kill people by disease. | ||
| And the second is famine. | ||
| That might have been Elon Musk with the starting of the Doge and the attack on USAID. | ||
| And the third is blood, death, or third and fourth are blood, death, and war. | ||
| And he's starting wars everywhere. | ||
| And with NATO, with allied countries, he's starting war and attacking people. | ||
| But the main thing is, which people don't realize, which they lie to you and tell you that there's been people who have suffered a Holocaust, a biblical Holocaust, but the biblical Holocaust hasn't taken place yet. | ||
| Ted from Boston, Massachusetts, and Independent, you're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| What a terrible spat of calls we just listened to. | ||
| And I have two points here. | ||
| First point, these people calling in, you know, you want to call me left-wing scum. | ||
| What if I call you a redneck trash? | ||
| I think these people are media illiterate. | ||
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| Ted, what's your top news story of the of the week, though, since that's our question is this morning? | ||
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It's how Republicans are media illiterate, easily gullible, emotionally susceptible. | |
| They're low education and they're high on hatred. | ||
| Steve from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Good morning, ma'am. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| I just wanted to my top story is, you know, what happened. | ||
| It's a tragedy with the lady. | ||
| It's a tragedy with the lady from on January 6th, back a few years ago. | ||
| It's self-accountability. | ||
| You put yourself in these positions and you're protesting. | ||
| You may be of whatever cause you're protesting, but it's self-accountability. | ||
| And it always gives back to everybody points the finger at, well, it's him or her or whatever. | ||
| We got to embrace each other. | ||
| That South Carolina lady that was talking earlier about the love and all that. | ||
| That's yeah, the Buddhist walk. | ||
| That was a beautiful thing. | ||
| You know, we need to embrace that as Americans. | ||
| The fact is, there's laws on the books that enforce immigration. | ||
| It's not the best. | ||
| They need to improve it. | ||
| Both parties need to improve that. | ||
| I'm retired from the military. | ||
| I've been all over the country. | ||
| I'm from St. Louis. | ||
| The guy that was talking about St. Louis and everything, they're the murder capital of the United States. | ||
| And you're pointing fingers at other people. | ||
| I mean, it's not his fault. | ||
| I mean, it's not. | ||
| We need to embrace each other. | ||
| And the thing that the one example I'm trying to give you is: as I was driving Lyft, as I was retired, I was driving Lyft and there was a lady, an immigrant. | ||
| She spent seven years trying to become a citizen. | ||
| In the back of my car, she's crying her eyes out. | ||
| She became a citizen. | ||
| That will be an indelible impression on me for the rest of my life. | ||
| How she worked so hard to get where she got and how proud she was. | ||
| And that's what we need to embrace today. | ||
| If you're undocumented, there needs to be a pathway forward. | ||
| But if you came in here and you circumvented the system, you need to go back and we need to start the process. | ||
| You need to get a fair shake. | ||
| We need to embrace all this stuff. | ||
| This country is the best country in the world. | ||
| And I'm proud to be an American. | ||
| And I keep thinking about that lady. | ||
| Thank you very much, ma'am. | ||
| Eric from Cleveland, Ohio, an independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yes, good morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
| To Carla, who just spoke, that is a great sentiment to share. | ||
| In light of where we are this week with regards to what's going on with the shooting in Minnesota and the attack in Venezuela, the point is that Americans are speaking out because Americans are concerned. | ||
| There's not, we are talking about laws, but laws are being changed. | ||
| Laws are being manipulated. | ||
| Processes are being changed. | ||
| Processes are being manipulated. | ||
| That young man just talked about a woman who was an immigrant who came in who was riding in his vehicle and had to struggle seven years to get citizenship. | ||
| Well, how come he advocates, and not to discredit what he said, but there's about maybe a thousand other people just like her who went through a seven-year process who were denied. | ||
| There are people in our country who are here because they're basically political refugees. | ||
| They're coming to our country because they're under oppression. | ||
| So we have to be more cognizant of what we're actually considering when we talk about the situation. | ||
| And then we talk about the ICE and their militaristic presence in our community. | ||
| As citizens, we're not used to this. | ||
| This is not where we've been living for all these years. | ||
| We haven't had the military, and it's very abrupt now. | ||
| We haven't had this end-the-faced military presence in our communities on our blocks. | ||
| And it's not like these folks are riotous. | ||
| They're living in their communities, and these people are coming up, and they're obtrusive. | ||
| They are taking their neighbors off their streets. | ||
| And I'm not saying that there is not cause for them to take people that are wanted that are criminal, but we've seen actions where they have gone in error into communities and basically caused harm and disrupted the lives of American, American citizens. | ||
| So I just find it hard to believe that we live in a country where you can impeach Bill Clinton for some stains on a dress, but we have all these things going on right now, and no one's taking any type of impeachment proceedings toward the leadership. | ||
| We need people to get on board and to make leadership accountable for what's happening to our community. | ||
| So take a listen to Chrissy Noam here on Thursday defending the officer involved in that fatal shooting and his training. | ||
| If you remember in that operation, what happened was our officers were out trying to get a car stuck out of the snow when they were surrounded and assaulted and blocked in by protesters that were inciting. | ||
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The officer was following his training. | |
| He did follow his training because of an individual that was point blank into a driver's window. | ||
| Is that part of the training? | ||
| How is that self-defense? | ||
| This is an experienced officer who followed his training, and we will continue to let the investigation unfold into the individual and continue to follow the procedures and policies that happen in these use of force cases. | ||
| But let's remember the events that surrounded what happened yesterday on that tragic situation was that these individuals had followed our officers all day, had harassed them, had blocked them in. | ||
| They were impeding our law enforcement operations, which is against the law. | ||
| And when they demanded and commanded her to get out of her vehicle several times, she did not. | ||
| So we'll continue to allow this process to unfold and recognize that these law enforcement officers every single day put their lives on the line. | ||
| They go out and do their jobs. | ||
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They go out and get a direct conversation into who she was or what she was about. | |
| And yet now you're saying these policies and procedures that follow a use of force situation like this are continuing to be put in place. | ||
| So this is standard operating procedure after every use of force situation is that we follow these procedures and protocols. | ||
| That was Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noam talking about the shooting, defending the training of the ICE officer involved in the shooting and saying that an investigation would continue while also calling it an act of domestic terrorism. | ||
| John from Memphis, Tennessee, a Democrat. | ||
| What is your top news story of the week, John? | ||
| John, can you hear me? | ||
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Okay, go ahead. | |
| The shooting of the lady is good news for everybody. | ||
| But the fact is, this is all about cheap labor. | ||
| For Ron Ray and over the borders of the agent, this is what this is all about. | ||
| They talk Biden, Biden, nobody, but that's the idiot statement I ever heard in my life. | ||
| This is all about cheap labor and it has backfired. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Denise from Florida, a Republican? | ||
| You're next. | ||
| What's your top news story of the day? | ||
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Yes, what really irks me is when I see all these events happen and they're all full of these protesters all the time. | |
| They're all young people. | ||
| Why aren't they out working? | ||
| They're out there in sweatpants, slippers. | ||
| And are most of them on welfare? | ||
| Are they getting government assistance? | ||
| If that's so, they should all be identified and that be all taken away from them. | ||
| There's no reason that many young people shouldn't be out working with all the jobs that are available out there, that they have time just to be up to no good to cause trouble. | ||
| Josephine from New Jersey, an independent, you're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Obviously, the death of that woman is sad. | ||
| I mean, I've watched so many different films. | ||
| One thing I don't understand is how is a policeman walking around, not with the little device that the police around in this area are required to do. | ||
| The body cameras. | ||
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The body camera. | |
| He's walking around with a cell phone, walking around, because you could see on the side of the car. | ||
| He's physically walking around the entire car, okay? | ||
| And she rolls down her window and she responds. | ||
| Now, her mate said something that would be maybe instigating. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But does it warrant her hands were on the wheel? | ||
| So what people tell you, always put your hands up when the police come by you. | ||
| She had her hands on the wheel. | ||
| She had no gun. | ||
| She didn't rob a store. | ||
| She lived three doors down, but that doesn't make any difference. | ||
| She's in her neighborhood. | ||
| She signaled the car to go past. | ||
| She wasn't blocking anybody. | ||
| She told the gray car, go, go, go ahead. | ||
| And then they pull up and they stop and they get out for her. | ||
| There's more to this. | ||
| And what we really need is both the state and the government both in conjunction with each other. | ||
| Don't tell me, President, that they lie and we don't want them involved. | ||
| Talking about lying? | ||
| My God, this is a man that is the lying machine. | ||
| At least allow the process to go through. | ||
| Allow the investigation to go through. | ||
| You cannot do this by, oh, I saw this on Fox. | ||
| These are not news agencies. | ||
| I mean, when an agency pays $850 million for lying, that's not a news agency. | ||
| When Newsmax just paid last year $67 million for lying, that's not a news agency. | ||
| What happened to the days of Walter Klonkey? | ||
| It just got to change. | ||
| The news has got to change. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So at the beginning of her comment, Josephine asked where body cams are for ICE agents. | ||
| I point to a Fox9.com article, and the headline is, some agents wear body cameras, but not everywhere. | ||
| If you go down, it says that the policy makes clear that cameras have not yet been issued across the country. | ||
| Cameras were first distributed to agents and select cities beginning in 2024. | ||
| Minneapolis was not one of the cities, one of the first cities to receive cameras. | ||
| But of course, we know ICE agents are present in the state. | ||
| It says that ICE started issuing body warrant cameras to agents and select cities in 2024. | ||
| Minneapolis was not one of the first cities. | ||
| However, agents have been assigned there and more in that article. | ||
| But just to answer questions about why all ICER agents aren't wearing body cameras. | ||
| Larry from Detroit, a Democrat. | ||
| You're next. | ||
| Larry, are you on the line? | ||
| Albert from Florida, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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I hope you're warm up there. | |
| It's nice down here. | ||
| What's the temperature down there? | ||
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Yeah, it's probably, it's rough. | |
| I think it's only 65 right now. | ||
| I'm not that jealous. | ||
| Continue. | ||
| What's your top news story of the week, Larry? | ||
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Well, I want to say there's a thing. | |
| A dummy sits there and says nothing, but a fool opens his mouth and leaves no doubt. | ||
| And listening to the Democratic people calling, I have friends on both sides, it's just amazing. | ||
| All this has come about because the Democratic Party sold our country down the tubes for votes. | ||
| Everybody wants to come here. | ||
| If the whole world comes here, we won't have a country. | ||
| There are people waiting in line. | ||
| Now, this is we're carrying out. | ||
| We're trying to clean up this mess. | ||
| We're following the law, and these officers are putting their eyes on them. | ||
| Which specific story are you talking about? | ||
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The shooting, because this officer is doing his job. | |
| This lady was riding around all day. | ||
| She has three children. | ||
| She's out riding around blocking federal law enforcement officers. | ||
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And then they give her a direct order and she doesn't listen. | |
| Sadly, it's sad that she's dead, but her three children have no mother now. | ||
| And it's because she's out doing these crazy things. | ||
| And we've got these leaders from Wall to the mayor calling them F and this and F and that. | ||
| It's just absolutely insane what's going on, okay? | ||
| And Roosevelt said a country that does not take care of its own people is doomed to fail. | ||
| And this is all because all these things are happening. | ||
| And it's not going to be pretty because when you let 20 million people come to your country and you try to take them all out, it's going to be ugly. | ||
| But who started all this? | ||
| Who created all this? | ||
| And calling people Nazis? | ||
| Our members of Congress are calling law enforcement officers Nazis. | ||
| It's just so sad. | ||
| It's so disgusting. | ||
| The Democrats, they've just lost their way. | ||
| I don't even recognize them anymore. | ||
| And all these people I've known over the years, a lot of leaders, I look at them, I see the stuff they're saying. | ||
| It's just crazy. | ||
| So you have a good day and stay warm up there. | ||
| Kevin, also from Florida, an independent, you're next. | ||
| Kevin, can you hear us? | ||
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| Yes, I can. | ||
| What's the topic of the story after we're what's going on in our country, the division in America, and what a life really means? | ||
| This woman died, okay? | ||
| And I just hear from people on whatever side that are pro-life. | ||
| They're pro-life. | ||
| But, God, if it's an immigrant shot and killed, oh, that's okay. | ||
| It just seems that the brazenness in our country about death. | ||
| And our president is only dividing the country. | ||
| This is about creating chaos. | ||
| And believe it, it's what it is. | ||
| They're trying to divide us and continue to divide us. | ||
| It's not right or left, right or left. | ||
| It's wrong. | ||
| These are conspiracy theories we hear all the time. | ||
| Okay, this is wrong. | ||
| Anybody that sees this picture, this woman's not a threat to anybody. | ||
| And anybody who thinks she is, go to church and pray about it, okay? | ||
| Because you're hypocrites. | ||
| It's hypocrisy and irony. | ||
| The guy who tried to steal the election now has captured the man who did steal an election. | ||
| How ironic isn't that? | ||
| Look at yourselves, America. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Mike from North Carolina, a Democrat. | ||
| Your line is open? | ||
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| Yes, ma'am. | ||
| 35-year Republican re-registering Democrat this year. | ||
| I just think that the American people, instead of protesting about the only rights we have and the way it's looking in America, is this is a hill-billy way of looking at it, is to take up our own guns and to start fighting what's going on in our streets of America and try to take our country back from this communist regime that I voted for. | ||
| And I am ashamed of myself for ever voting for something like this. | ||
| And I just hope America and God and the world will forgive me. | ||
| Mike, let me ask you, you voted for the President Trump in 2024? | ||
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Yes, ma'am. | |
| Campaigned for him. | ||
| Campaign for it. | ||
| So what was the one thing that changed your, that prompted you to change your registration? | ||
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Well, I'm a 35-year Republican, as I stated. | |
| I've done construction work most of my life, and Trump had stated that he was going to get the immigrants out of here, which I sat and watched immigrants doing the jobs that I used to do cheaper than what I can do them for. | ||
| So I lost my work. | ||
| I've been disabled now for two years. | ||
| And the issue is that the American people, the jobs have been taken from us, and now our rights have been taken from us by Donald Trump and his little regime. | ||
| And we're being called upon, fending troops out in our streets, just like the Civil War. | ||
| That's what this is going to lead to, is a civil war. | ||
| Because the people in the mountains and the poor people are getting tired. | ||
| They're being stoned down. | ||
| That's why Trump said he wanted to make America rich and beautiful again. | ||
| I think he wants to acquire all these different properties to basically ship the poor people out and get us out of America and make it rich and beautiful and make everything go to suit him, even taking over the buildings, everything. | ||
| So your biggest problem right now is the president on the economy. | ||
| Is it the immigration? | ||
| Sum that up for me. | ||
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It's just going out in the streets shooting people, the ICE agents. | |
| Tell them to come down to Mountains and try that on the hillbillies. | ||
| Joanna from Monterey, California, an independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Hi, guys. | ||
| I have a couple. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| I have a couple of things I want to touch on. | ||
| Okay, we've got about 45 seconds. | ||
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Okay, you got it. | |
| So let's talk about the city of Minneapolis. | ||
| I'm going to start with Minneapolis. | ||
| First of all, let's all look at the facts here. | ||
| There were many vehicles that went around her vehicle, and a trained law enforcement officer is trying to de-escalate a situation, not to escalate the situation. | ||
| They walked up on her intentionally with ill intent. | ||
| You could tell they were just threatening, regardless of what she was doing. | ||
| Their job is to de-escalate. | ||
| And officers don't get in front of cars. | ||
| I mean, CHP officers pull you over. | ||
| They come on the passenger side, people. | ||
| Don't forget. | ||
| And in regards to the immigration status, let's also talk about facts. | ||
| In order to apply for U.S. citizenship, you have to be on U.S. soil for three years if you're married to an American citizen and five years in order just to apply for citizenship. | ||
| You have to be on U.S. soil for five years. | ||
| Look it up, people. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
| I got some more. | ||
| You can go for 20 more seconds. | ||
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Okay, you got it. | |
| So as far as the lady in Minneapolis, back to her, that type of force is unnecessary. | ||
| A trained law enforcement officer is not going to behave that way. | ||
| The fact that the president, the vice president, and Ms. Noam decided to call her a domestic terrorist before any questions were even asked, I think is just unbelievable. | ||
| And so these ICE agents, you know, I thought it was criminal immigrants. | ||
| I thought it was the worst of the worst. | ||
| We've got children in detention facilities where they're picking up women. | ||
| They're picking up families. | ||
| They're separating them. | ||
| That's not the worst of the worst, people. | ||
| Those aren't the criminal immigrants. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was Joanna from Monterey, California. | ||
| Later this morning on the Washington Journal, we'll talk with Children Hospitals of Philadelphia Vaccine Education Center Director and former FDA Advisor Committee member Dr. Paul Offutt about the CDC's overhaul of the childhood immunization, which lowers the number of universally recommended vaccines. | ||
| But next, after the break, Francisco Mondalni, excuse me, Francisco Maldi, director of the Latin American Energy Program at Rice University Bakers Institute, joins us to discuss the Trump administration's plans for Venezuela oil, Venezuela's oil industry following the capture of ex-Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro. | ||
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| Welcome back to Washington Journal. | ||
| Joining us this morning is Francisco Manaldi, Rice University Baker Institute, and the Latin American Energy Program Director to talk to us about Venezuela. | ||
| Mr. Malnaldi, excuse me, thank you so much for joining us this morning. | ||
| Thank you for inviting me. | ||
| I want to dive right in. | ||
| The president met with oil executives at the White House yesterday. | ||
| Can you talk us through what the president and the administration's message is to oil companies about the oil in Venezuela and what stuck out to you from that pretty long meeting? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, I mean, of course, the president wants American companies, although he also invited some European companies, to invest in Venezuela and recover the Venezuelan oil industry, which is in very bad shape right now. | ||
| And so he invited a variety of oil executives from companies that can invest in recovering the Venezuelan oil industry, also companies that can buy Venezuelan oil in the United States, service companies, a variety of companies. | ||
| And I think what stood out is first the reluctance of some of the largest players, particularly Exxon, to go back into a country in which there have been tons of risks in the past in terms of government reneging, changing contracts, expropriation, nationalization, and the like. | ||
| So basically, the CEO of Exxon said that Venezuela was uninvestable in the current circumstances and that it will take a lot of changes for them to consider seriously. | ||
| Of course, the CEO of Chevron, which is the only American company currently operating in Venezuela, in fact, they are the largest operator behind the national company of Venezuela, was much more enthusiastic because they are already there and there are a bunch of reasons why for Chevron it's a much less risky proposition. | ||
| Others, particularly smaller companies from Texas and other parts of the US that specialize in recovering small declining fields were more enthusiastic. | ||
| But bottom line, I think we are a long ways before some of this investment actually materializes because a lot of the preconditions for this type of investment to happen are not there. | ||
| Yeah, we'll play the ExxonMobil CEO Salmba again in a second. | ||
| But I wonder just from your estimation, being an expert in this field, how much do you believe it will cost to restart some of these black oil fields that are kind of in really bad shape? | ||
| Yeah, well, I think we have to separate the different sort of types of investment opportunities. | ||
| For Chevron, it's relatively easy because they are already investing in Venezuela. | ||
| They produce 25% of Venezuela's production and they can significantly increase the production in their existing fields. | ||
| So they have the contracts, they have the people, they are on the ground, they have the equipment, and their fields are in much better shape than others because they have been running them and maintaining them. | ||
| So that's sort of a no-brainer for Chevron if they believe that this policy is going to stay at least for a while, right? | ||
| For others, I think it would require a lot more. | ||
| So, you know, the Venezuelan oil industry requires about $100 billion and I think almost a decade to go to its past glories. | ||
| Venezuela could produce four times as much as it is producing today. | ||
| Venezuela produces about a million barrels per day. | ||
| But there are some, besides Chevron, some other companies that might be able to invest relatively quickly. | ||
| Those include some European companies, and that's why they were invited to the White House. | ||
| For example, Revsol from Spain or ENI from Italy or Shell from the UK that is involved in natural gas. | ||
| But bottom line, in the short run, it's relatively difficult to see, besides these companies that are already there, a rapid ramp-up of production. | ||
| You need a lot of preconditions in terms of the rule of law, et cetera. | ||
| And by the way, companies are looking at this, and this is a bit unprecedented, right? | ||
| That policy is being set outside of a country. | ||
| How is this going to translate into legislation in Venezuela? | ||
| How legitimate and legal will be changes done by a regime that the U.S. has said is not legitimate, that they stole the previous election, et cetera. | ||
| So, for companies, there are a lot of risks that they have to consider in a country that is notorious for these types of risks. | ||
| Now, before we continue, I want to invite our viewers to join in on the conversation. | ||
| Republicans, your line is 202-748-8001. | ||
| Democrats, your line is 202-748-8000. | ||
| Independents, your line is 202-748-8002. | ||
| I want to take a listen to what Darren Woods, the CEO of ExxonMobil, said yesterday when sitting just a few seats away from the president and how he described how his company is approaching the opportunity that the White House presents. | ||
| Take a listen. | ||
| There are a number of legal and commercial frameworks that would have to be established to even understand what kind of returns we'd get on the investments. | ||
| So, I think all the investments and the opportunity sets, I think everyone sitting around this table would have the opportunity and the know-how and the capability to make the investments. | ||
| The questions will ultimately be: how durable are the protections from a financial standpoint? | ||
| What do the returns look like? | ||
| What are the commercial arrangements, the legal frameworks? | ||
| All those things have to be put in place in order to make a decision to understand what your return would be over the next several decades that these billion-dollar investments would be made on. | ||
| So, Mr. Minaldi, you said that the first type of investment would be about $100 billion over 10 years, over 10 years to get it back to some semblance of production. | ||
| What are the oil companies looking for in terms of whether or not they would invest? | ||
| Is that security guarantees? | ||
| Is that financial guarantees? | ||
| I mean, what do you believe that they would want from the White House? | ||
| And what is the White House offering, really? | ||
| Yes, so in Venezuela, the risks are not, let's put it this way, below ground. | ||
| So, Venezuela has plenty of oil resources, even though the infrastructure is in decay. | ||
| It has a lot of infrastructure. | ||
| The country was producing twice as much as it is producing today just less than a decade ago. | ||
| So, those are not the issues in Venezuela. | ||
| The technical issues can be solved, and if you attract significant amounts of money, everything can be not only resolved, but it could be really profitable. | ||
| The question mark, and that is what has been the issue in this country. | ||
| And Exxon knows it very well because Exxon was the leading oil producer in Venezuela throughout the history of the country since the 1920s until oil was nationalized in 1976 initially. | ||
| And they came back in the 1990s when they were invited back. | ||
| And both times, you know, their contracts didn't run through its maturity. | ||
| They basically were forcefully renegotiated, and eventually they were expropriated. | ||
| So, these are the types of issues that these companies would have to be considering. | ||
| But it's important to notice that there are different types of projects. | ||
| And as I mentioned, for example, a company like Chevron that is already there, they are having a significant cash flow from their Venezuelan operations. | ||
| So, they don't have to risk that much because they already have the investment, the most significant investments in infrastructure done. | ||
| They are just reinvesting part of the cash flow. | ||
| And so, for them, the risks are not that significant. | ||
| So, they might be willing to take the risk of not knowing exactly how this is going to work out, how long is the U.S. going to be involved in this. | ||
| Is this regime currently in place credible, or are they going to be in place in a few years? | ||
| All those questions are difficult to answer, but for Chevron, it's a little bit less risky. | ||
| For others that have to put fresh capital, that have to sign new contracts that are not at all involving the country right now, like Exxon, Conoco, and most of the others, because there's only one American company currently operating in Venezuela. | ||
| For those, the questions are much, much harder. | ||
| Perhaps some short-term projects that can bring very quickly returns might be feasible without lower risks. | ||
| But for the big projects, like the Exxon types of projects, we're talking about projects that have maturities of 20 to 40 years. | ||
| So they cannot make investments of billions of dollars without understanding what risks they're facing. | ||
| Yeah, yesterday, the Exxon CEO basically committed to sending in an assessment team to go see the fields, basically to try to get a first glance as to whether or not it would be possible to reinvest. | ||
| And to your point, the Conoco executive said that they lost $12 billion when Venezuela renationalized their oil fields. | ||
| I wonder though, the president said yesterday that they would provide security guarantees. | ||
| Historically, if there is precedent, what have those looked like or what do you think that the oil companies would ask for in terms of security? | ||
| Well, I mean, the main thing is the credibility of the contracts being respected. | ||
| And of course, since we're talking about long periods of time, the question is what types of guarantees the U.S. government can offer. | ||
| I mean, they can offer, for example, in the past, historically, there had been insurance, for example, to expropriation. | ||
| The U.S. government has offered that to some companies. | ||
| So perhaps that's a possibility. | ||
| But the bottom line is that countries are sovereign and eventually, I mean, the United States cannot have an Armada in front of Venezuela indefinitely. | ||
| And so what these companies will assess is that Venezuela in the past had committed to respect contracts, but they eventually were not respected. | ||
| And CONOCO, for example, went for international arbitration. | ||
| They got an award, as was mentioned, about $12 billion. | ||
| And Venezuela has only paid a tiny fraction of that. | ||
| So the risks are very real in the long term. | ||
| For a relatively short period of time, for example, for President Trump's administration, which are the next three years, for example, they might feel secure because they have the guarantees of this administration. | ||
| But for the longer term, perhaps mechanisms like insurance against extropiation by the U.S. government could reduce some of the risks. | ||
| Let's turn to some calls. | ||
| Jason from Rocky Mountain, North Carolina, and Independent. | ||
| Your line is open. | ||
| Dear Maury, I just have a couple comments and a question. | ||
| Back in 2023, if y'all can put it up there, too, after this phone conversation is over with at some point, Donald Trump said about Venezuela oil that their oil was garbage, that it's the worst you can get. | ||
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| And things, I don't remember him running last year on Venezuelan oil about going in and getting oil. | ||
| So for people in the country like myself, and there are a lot of folks that are in oil fields that are hurting right now in the United States, how does this make the United States oil production, which they're not even producing a lot of oil, they're shutting down rigs because of the price of oil. | ||
| How is it going in Venezuela going to help American producers over here, American workers over here? | ||
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It doesn't add up. | |
| I mean, there must be something in those Epstein files that, you know, he's willing to go to war or take other people's resources. | ||
| How is it not in China's best interest to go into Taiwan and say the same thing? | ||
| Well, we're not going to let the United States keep taking our minerals. | ||
| So I would like your take on what do you think that this is legitimately something that's going to help American oil workers out, you know, American workers? | ||
| How does this benefit us, you know, going into Venezuela, taking somebody else's further trying to go into Greenland and take their resources? | ||
| I mean, he didn't run on this. | ||
| All you people that voted for him, he didn't run on it. | ||
| It'll be like a Democrat running on lower prices and then going into Canada and stealing all their windmills. | ||
| You know, I don't think Republicans will be too happy about that. | ||
| It seems hypocritical. | ||
| Mr. Minaldo, do you have a response to that? | ||
| Yes, I mean, there are, of course, many angles to the caller's question. | ||
| So in terms of the benefits for the U.S. oil industry and the workers in the oil industry, he points to a very clear trade-off, right? | ||
| The president at the same time seems to want more production in U.S. oil fields that will bring, of course, more employment and prosperity to the areas in which that oil is produced, like, for example, Texas. | ||
| But at the same time, he wants lower prices, oil prices in the world market because he wants lower prices of gasoline, for example, in the U.S. | ||
| So if there is more production outside of the U.S., that will tend to depress prices. | ||
| And that could represent a challenge like what we're seeing today, because the U.S., because of the type of fields that the oil fields that the U.S. has that require fracking, what we call the shell-tight type of field, these are high-cost fields, and Venezuela's fields are lower-cost. | ||
| So that could be a challenge because we already are seeing a lot of companies in the U.S. having trouble with the current price of oil. | ||
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| At the same time, and he pointed out to what the president said about the type of oil that Venezuela has. | ||
| This is a very similar type of oil that what Canada has. | ||
| As he pointed out, heavy oil, very dense and viscous. | ||
| And it's a type of oil that it's challenging to transport and challenging to process. | ||
| But the positive side for the United States is that the U.S. Gulf Coast refineries were optimized for this type of oil. | ||
| Because remember, the U.S. used to be a massive net importer of oil. | ||
| And now it's a net exporter. | ||
| So it's a very different reality from like two decades ago. | ||
| But in summary, the U.S. does export a lot of light oil, but imports some of this heavy oil that Venezuela produces. | ||
| And in the Gulf Coast, the one from Canada cannot reach, you know, it's costly to get it there because the famous Keystone XL pipeline was never built. | ||
| That was going to bring 800,000 barrels of Canadian oil to the Gulf Coast. | ||
| So bottom line, this is a type of oil that American refiners like, and that will lead them to have more profitability, et cetera. | ||
| But To close, I think the other important factor that the caller mentioned is that, you know, what precedents is this establishing in terms of the way international policy is conducted. | ||
| And of course, this opens up a variety of questions about what other countries in the world might think that they can do if this type of action is allowed. | ||
| And that opens a lot of important international relations questions. | ||
| I mean, do oil companies want Americans to have cheaper gas? | ||
| I mean, it seems that it would kind of cut into their net gains or something like that. | ||
| Obviously, gas right now is anywhere between 280 to the ones in some places across the country, according to the president yesterday. | ||
| So gas is pretty low. | ||
| Obviously, it'd be an incentive for the White House for gas to be lower, but is that an incentive for the oil companies who would profit off of and theoretically profit less off of that? | ||
| Yeah, no, definitely it's not attractive for U.S. oil companies producing in the U.S. territory to have that type of the price of oils that we're seeing now. | ||
| It's very challenging for their profitability. | ||
| And that's why some are basically have stopped investing and there have been a lot of people fired because of that slowdown sort of in investment. | ||
| So it is a challenging environment for them. | ||
| Of course, at the same time, if they are offered opportunities, some of these companies in a place like Venezuela that has some of the largest oil reserves in the world, that does open a potential source of profitability because Venezuela has lower costs than the United States. | ||
| The reason is just simply because they have fields that are by nature easy to extract. | ||
| The quality of the oil is not the same as the U.S., is less valuable in the market, but they could make a profit. | ||
| So there is a clear trade-off, as you point out, between lower gasoline prices and profitability for oil companies. | ||
| And just to summarize, this country changed from being a country that was a net importer of oil for many decades. | ||
| So when the price of oil went down in net terms, the United States benefited because the country was a net importer. | ||
| But now that it's a net exporter, the question is more complex. | ||
| Some regions of the U.S. benefit when the price of oil goes down and consumers do benefit, but some other regions are affected when it goes down and companies are also affected negatively. | ||
| Jacob from Salem, New Hampshire, and Independent, you're next. | ||
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I was just wondering, like, Maduro already said that he could talk about stopping the drug rate, but we still went after him. | |
| I feel like everyone kind of brushed past that very quickly, but like we've angered a lot of countries, and I don't know who's going to buy oil. | ||
| Also, like, what's our right to just take a president out of his country? | ||
| Like, what if China or Russia did that to us? | ||
| No one would be happy. | ||
| And I feel like we did something like really kind of bad. | ||
| I don't know who's going to buy the oil. | ||
| I don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| Yes, I think, of course, again, there are tons of angles here. | ||
| And I'm an energy expert, but I can tell you that Mr. Maduro was a ruthless dictator that committed many significant human rights violations, stole the previous election. | ||
| But as you point out, that doesn't mean necessarily that another government can go and take him out. | ||
| But without a doubt, there were a variety of reasons why countries around Venezuela and the U.S. were very concerned about the type of regime that is ruling Venezuela because Maduro is out, but basically the regime is otherwise intact. | ||
| And of course, there were issues of crime, drug trafficking, et cetera. | ||
| But lately, what we have seen is more a discussion about the motivation being related to oil. | ||
| And of course, again, this opens up a lot of questions about how international relations are conducted and the rights of countries to do different things. | ||
| And even though the administration has said that the new Monroe Doctrine that the U.S. will not allow foreign geopolitical rivals to have influence in this region, that opens up, without a doubt, some considerations of what other geopolitical powers might do in their own backyards. | ||
| Penny from Augusta, Georgia, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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| My question is, it's more of a comment, but what right do we have to go in and start talking about what we're going to do with Venezuela's oil? | ||
| It's not our oil. | ||
| It belongs to that country. | ||
| We have no business being there. | ||
| But I don't care how bad Maduro was. | ||
| We had no business raiding another country for their assets. | ||
| If we went and raided the UK, could Trump be talking about what he's going to do with the crown jewels? | ||
| If we raided Paris, could Trump talk about what he's going to do with the artwork from the Louvre? | ||
| It's not our stuff. | ||
| It's not our oil. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, of course, the argument that President Trump and the administration have mentioned on the oil side is that Venezuela has sort of stolen from some U.S. oil companies. | ||
| And just briefly, to mention a little bit of the historical background, it is true that oil companies, by the way, not just American, but other companies like Shell from the UK were nationalizing Venezuela in 1976. | ||
| But they were compensated at the time. | ||
| And what they had were contracts, concessions that allowed them to extract the oil and pay royalties and taxes for a specific period of time. | ||
| And that period of time was going to expire a few years after 1976 in 1983. | ||
| So what they were compensated were for these remaining years. | ||
| And it's also true that they were invited back and then President Chavez basically forcefully renegotiated the deals and significantly increased taxes. | ||
| And basically two companies, Conoco and Exxon, did not accept that. | ||
| They were awarded by international arbitration tribunals a significant amount of money, but Venezuela wasn't willing to pay it. | ||
| But as the caller points out, that doesn't necessarily mean that a country can go and try to take back the resources because what these companies have are awards that require Venezuela to pay them a certain amount of money. | ||
| And there are many other creditors, by the way. | ||
| Venezuela owes $150 billion. | ||
| So it's not just oil companies, but bondholders and contractors and a variety of other creditors that are owed money. | ||
| And that is one of the big issues now. | ||
| How do you restructure that debt and make sure that some of it can be paid by the country? | ||
| Now, something that I asked the president yesterday was how do they plan to distribute the money that they would receive from Venezuela oil sales back to Venezuela. | ||
| An administration official told me that they basically plan to make direct payments from those U.S. controlled accounts to Venezuela. | ||
| But I wonder, I know you're not a law expert, but is there any precedent for this? | ||
| Because the question is whether or not that would run afoul of congressional appropriation laws or international law. | ||
| Yeah, I think there are a few parallels in the modern era. | ||
| One that comes to mind is the oil for food program in Iraq. | ||
| When the United Nations sanctioned Saddam Hussein's government, basically they banned Iran from exporting oil and that led to a lot of hardship for the people in Iraq. | ||
| And so eventually the United Nations decided to implement a program by which Iraq could export some oil, but the money will not go to the Iraqi government, but will go to the UN. | ||
| And then the UN will do the work of bringing imports back into Iraq, for example, food or medicine or other basic needs. | ||
| And of course, this was not implemented by the U.S. | ||
| It was implemented with the cooperation of the U.S., but not by the U.S., but by a United Nations group. | ||
| And it was controversial because there was a lot of corruption eventually, because it's very hard to manage a program that has to take billions of dollars in oil export revenue and then allocate it to, for example, fruit producers from the U.S. or if you are investing in the electricity infrastructure, providers of inputs for that. | ||
| And who decides who gets paid, what is done, et cetera, is a very complex issue that requires a lot of effort and could be a source of potential corruption. | ||
| So it is going to be a very complex task for Secretary Orubio and the Department of State to implement such a program. | ||
| And quickly, some questions that we have on Twitter and text message. | ||
| Sue B from Whiting, New Jersey says, oil and drugs. | ||
| Is that what the economy of Venezuela is built on? | ||
| Well, Venezuela is highly dependent on oil, north of 85% of the revenues of the countries come from oil. | ||
| And in the last few, the couple of decades, unfortunately, drug trafficking, particularly as a sort of exit for drugs coming from Colombia, in particular cocaine, has become a part of the sort of illegal economy of Venezuela. | ||
| And the Venezuelan military and government have been involved in transporting those drugs typically to the Caribbean and then to Europe or the United States. | ||
| And that's precisely the indictment that Nicolas Maduro faces in New York is about drug trafficking. | ||
| So that was clearly a concern of the U.S. government for many, many years, as other issues about illegal activity and the involvement of Iran and other geopolitical rivals of the U.S. in the country financing illicit activities. | ||
| And more recently, a lot of it was about the oil being sold in the black market going to China that also created all sorts of corrupt activities. | ||
| Steve from Mississippi and Independent, your line is open. | ||
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Oh, yes. | |
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| I guess just to follow up on some of the comments about the price of the oil and such, I've worked in the refining industry. | ||
| I do know that this oil is very expensive to produce, to get it out of the ground, to partially process it, to get it ready to even ship to other areas to refineries. | ||
| How's the current low cost of crude at the current prices going to affect the profitability of the, you know, to make it worthwhile to even produce it? | ||
| For the oil companies to go down there and invest all this money and to get it all going again. | ||
| I mean, if the price of crude drops much more, this stuff is just about, especially the extra heavy crude, it almost becomes unprofitable to actually warrant even going in there and doing it. | ||
| Another question I have is about the Venezuela, with so many people in Venezuela having left over the recent years, is there a concern about brain drain from that country and having people that could actually operate these facilities once they get them going again? | ||
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| Yeah, those are really good questions. | ||
| You know, different from the Canadian oil, the Venezuelan extra heavy is relatively easy to extract. | ||
| The cost of extraction are, the lifting costs are less than $10. | ||
| But as you point out, then the transportation and then the refining is costlier and they are sold at a discount, those barrels, compared to the lighter oil. | ||
| So there is potentially an issue of profitability, particularly depending on the tax and royalty regime that Venezuela would be implementing. | ||
| But my calculations indicate that if the price of oil goes to even lower to about $30, it's still profitable to produce oil in Venezuela with the right types of contract. | ||
| Venezuela has higher costs than the Middle East, which, you know, the fields in the Middle East have the lowest cost on earth. | ||
| But the costs are on average lower than the U.S. and particularly much lower than Canada, which is the competitor of Venezuela in the heavy oil market. | ||
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| Okay, Mr. Minaldi, thank you so much for your time this morning. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you for inviting me. | ||
| Later on this morning on the Washington Journal, we'll talk with Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Vaccine Education Center Director and former FDA Advisory Committee member Dr. Paul Offutt as he discusses the CDC's overhaul of the childhood immunization, which lowers the number of universally recommended vaccines. | ||
| But next, after the break, it's open forum. | ||
| You can start calling in now. | ||
| Here are your lines. | ||
| Democrats, your number is 202-748-8000. | ||
| Republicans, your line is 202-748-8001. | ||
| Independents, your line is 202-748-8002. | ||
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We'll be right back. | |
| On this episode of Book Notes Plus with our host, Brian Lamb. | ||
| After 15 books on revolutionary America, John Ferling still has more to say about the early period in the life of the United States. | ||
| Ferling is Professor Emeritus of History at the University of West Georgia. | ||
| In the preface of his current book, Shots Heard Round the World, Professor Ferling opens with this, quote, Now that America will be commemorating the 250th anniversary of its War of Independence, what pops into your mind as you hear or witness references to that conflict? | ||
| Professor Ferling gives his answer in a 500-page book focusing on America, Britain, and Europe in the Revolutionary War era. | ||
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A new interview with author John Ferling about his book, Shots Heard Round the World, America, Britain, and Europe in the Revolutionary War. | |
| Book Notes Plus with our host, Brian Lamb, is available wherever you get your podcasts and on the C-SPAN Now app. | ||
| Sunday on C-SPAN's Q&A. | ||
| In his book, White House Memories, 1970 to 2007, Gary Walters, chief usher from 1986 to 2007, shares stories from his time in the executive residence, serving seven different U.S. presidents and their families. | ||
| He discusses the role that he played, especially in managing the day-to-day operations, presidential transitions, and major events at the White House. | ||
| I received a call directly from Mrs. Ford, and she said, Gary, would you go up and make sure that Jack is up? | ||
| I know he had calls put to him earlier. | ||
| And so I did that twice. | ||
| And both times I was told, yeah, I'm getting ready. | ||
| I'll be ready by the time I'm supposed to be ready. | ||
| That's kind of a tricky role, isn't it? | ||
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Waking up the president's son? | |
| No, not when the president and the first lady said, get him off. | ||
| That was an easy decision for me. | ||
| Gary Walters with his book, White House Memories, 1970 to 2007. | ||
| Sunday night. | ||
| You can listen to Q ⁇ A and all of our podcasts on our free C-SPAN Now app or wherever you get your podcasts. | ||
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Washington Journal continues. | |
| Welcome back. | ||
| We're now in open forum where you can talk about any public policy or politics issue on your mind this morning. | ||
| We start with some domestic news. | ||
| Article from The Hill, the headline is, House passes three-year extension of Obamacare subsidies. | ||
| If you go a little bit further in the story, it says the House passed legislation Thursday to revive and extend expired Obamacare tax credits in a bipartisan vote that is boosting hopes of centrist Republicans for a bipartisan deal to revive the tax credits. | ||
| The tally 230 to 196 highlighted the tenuous grip Speaker Mike Johnson has over his Rest of GOP conference. | ||
| 17 Central Republicans crossed the aisle to join every to join every voting Democrat in support of the measure. | ||
| The measure, which would provide a three-year extension to the Enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies that originally passed in response to COVID-19 that have now lapsed, now head to the Senate, which defeated the same proposal last month in a largely partisan vote. | ||
| Senate Majority Leader John Thun has suggested he'll ignore the House bill altogether. | ||
| But take a listen to House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries talk about what he believes is his party's achievement after that vote. | ||
| The Senate said it was impossible to do. | ||
| But where I'm from, difficult takes a day, impossible takes a week. | ||
| And in this first full week of the new year, House Democrats, every single one of us, joined by 17 Republicans, have partnered in a bipartisan way to protect the health care of the American people. | ||
| House Democrats said from the very beginning that we would pour every ounce of heart, soul, spirit, and strength that we had to stand up for the health care of the American people and to address the affordability crisis that exists in the United States of America. | ||
| I'm thankful for the resolve of the House Democratic Caucus and our partnership with Senate Democrats, who made clear for months, beginning in September, that our commitment was to fix our broken health care system and address the Republican health care crisis, beginning with the extension of the Affordable Care Act tax credits. | ||
| That was House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries talking about his party's ability to pass an Obamacare subsidies extension bill this week. | ||
| Carl from Naples, Florida, an independent, you're next. | ||
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Hi, good morning. | |
| Love the show. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I just wanted to comment. | ||
| Any country ruling by force and intimidation is not a long-term solution. | ||
| This play in Venezuela is not about oil for lowering gas prices for the common citizen. | ||
| It is about the need for heavy crude to run the military, especially the Navy and the Air Force. | ||
| They rely exclusively on fuel built with heavy crude. | ||
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And they want to expand this. | |
| This is their play in the Western Hemisphere. | ||
| Rule by force and intimidation. | ||
| In order for them to do this, they have to have access to the heavy crude. | ||
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| Rayanne from Cincinnati, Ohio, a Democrat. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| I would like to extend on the previous caller's opinion that we're being ruled, this world is being ruled by force. | ||
| Now, here in this country, I'm calling about the ICE incident the other day, which totally, totally is wrong. | ||
| You can see by the videos, you know, these ICE agents are thugs with their masks, their, you know, or commands to get out of the car. | ||
| I heard a witness say that one officer was telling her to leave while at the same time the other officer was saying get out of the car. | ||
| So what was this poor woman to do? | ||
| Tell you, if that was me and some masked bug because you know, wearing blue jeans jumps out of a they just rolled up, jumps out of the car and says, you know, get out of the car, I wouldn't, I would never comply with what these people do because they're not really officers, they're ice agents and they're not really trained. | ||
| I you know Christy Noam lying about, they're being stuck in the snow and these, this woman following them all over town. | ||
| You know, how do we know that? | ||
| I just disagree with the tactic, and I don't think that American people are going to stand for having these thugs in their cities trying to, you know, what are they doing? | ||
| Donald Trump is a corrupt administration. | ||
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| Thomas from Delray Beach, Florida, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Yes, hello. | |
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| Jasmine, I have to say you are an outstanding and you do a wonderful program. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I have something of a powder cake issue that I think if either party wants to win back the young male voters, I'm seeing all these articles about young men being disenfranchised and young men being alienated, is the issue of circumcision and intactivism. | ||
| Because I can tell you something, it gets almost no coverage in the media at all. | ||
| But the men my age, I'm 33, we are furious and we talk about it all the time. | ||
| And I'm going to keep it TV appropriate, but I will say. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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If you look at the anatomy, it does much more damage than you think. | |
| I will leave it at that. | ||
| You're talking about circumcision? | ||
| People are upset about being circumcised? | ||
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Very much so. | |
| And the intactivist movement is very much underground, but it's very much growing. | ||
| And it's very much becoming a more right-wing position. | ||
| And we're being pushed out by progressives who are now anti-intactivists. | ||
| So think about that. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Okay, interestingly enough, I found an article from The Guardian that was posted this morning at 5 a.m. | ||
| And it says, circumcision, circumcision, I can't even say the word, circumcision class as possible child abuse in draft CPS document, exclusive possible revision of guidance for prosecutors in England and Wales. | ||
| Okay, so this is in the UK, comes amid safety concerns from courts. | ||
| So that could be an interesting article to read if you want to know more about this issue. | ||
| Maury from New York and Independent, you're next. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| And thank you, C-STAN, for hearing my voice. | ||
| I wanted to say that with the passing and the tragic death of Renee Good, that this is a wake-up call for our entire country to restore humanity. | ||
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We have to do it on the very local level. | |
| And this is January, the month that we celebrate Dr. Martin Duke Jr. Day. | ||
| And he was all about humanity. | ||
| He was about love. | ||
| He was about peace. | ||
| And at his passing, he was about prosperity for our communities. | ||
| So these are the things that we need to restore as we reflect on his legacy. | ||
| We need to restore humanity. | ||
| And I think that is when everything will start to change. | ||
| Thank you for taking my call. | ||
| Dave from Auburn, Alabama, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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On the Valenzuela thing, I think that we could have gone and got Madora without paying the country up, Switching to the Minnesota that is not following the proper procedure to drag somebody out of their car. | |
| And if you want to do that, you need to stop being a draft doctor and go in the military and go in a real war zone. | ||
| Jerry from Kansas, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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Hi, this is Jerry. | |
| And I want to talk about the lady in the car that got killed by the officer or agent. | ||
| And Jerry, are you on the line? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I want to talk about the lady that got unfortunately killed in that car incident with the officer. | ||
| There's something that nobody has mentioned on any news story at all. | ||
| And that is the woman that was outside the car had gone to reach for the door handle of the passenger side. | ||
| And as she did so, if you listen carefully, she tells that driver to punch it. | ||
| In other words, floor that car. | ||
| In other words, you listen carefully, she says you've got him. | ||
| In other words, you can run him over if you punch that car and floor it. | ||
| And that is exactly what she did. | ||
| So you need to really listen before that officer shoots her. | ||
| You need to listen to what that person on that outside of that car said. | ||
| So we're playing the video again here, but from the Hills story, it says, as the officer circles the car, another woman appears saying, quote, you want to come at us? | ||
| You want to come at us? | ||
| I say, go get yourself some lunch, big boy. | ||
| The officer then circles around to the front of the vehicle as a second woman is seen pulling the locked passenger side door of the vehicle. | ||
| And so that was released by Alpha News. | ||
| You guys can find it everywhere if you Google it or something. | ||
| And obviously, we just showed a part of it. | ||
| So John from Pennsylvania, an independent, you're next. | ||
| This open forum where you can talk about anything. | ||
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Hey, yeah, I just wanted to respond to the last driver. | |
| She actually said drive, baby, drive. | ||
| But just beyond that, I have two points. | ||
| One's about Venezuela and one's about the woman in Minneapolis. | ||
| I mean, I see a lot of these articles about Venezuela and they talk about Trump's plans for Venezuela. | ||
| Honestly, they should talk about his lack of plans. | ||
| Trump, even in the meeting yesterday with all the oil executives, essentially what they're saying is it's not profitable to extract this oil because there's no security, there's no long-term plan, and it'll take years and years to do it. | ||
| And Donald Trump won't be in office in a couple of years. | ||
| At least he won't try to be in office. | ||
| He might try to be, but I don't know. | ||
| So in the end, beyond that, there's quite a few disparate groups within Venezuela. | ||
| There's the Maduro side, there's the opposition side, there's the cartels, there's even like militants in the jungles of Venezuela and on the Colombian border. | ||
| So how's he going to keep all these people in line with the same purpose? | ||
| It's just something that is not tenable without troops on the ground. | ||
| So in the end, for his plans to actually work, which I don't think he has plans, he's going to need to have some sort of presence within Venezuela. | ||
| Now, as far as the woman in Minneapolis is concerned, a lot of people are getting, they're kind of conflating what folks are saying when they try to defend this woman. | ||
| In the end, we're not saying that her driving is right. | ||
| We're not saying that, you know, anybody should have done that. | ||
| What we're saying is that the officer put him in the position, to put himself in a position where he killed this woman unnecessarily. | ||
| Essentially, if you watch the video, you can see as the wheels are moving backwards, that's when the officer starts to draw his guns. | ||
| If instead of drawing his gun within that one second to two second period of time, he just decided to move a little bit to the right, his right, then he would have been out of the way. | ||
| He could even move backwards and to the right in that moment of time. | ||
| So instead of that, he decided to pull his weapon out, aim it at this woman, and then shoot her in the head. | ||
| And now, beyond that, you know, it's just, I don't know. | ||
| If you're not seeing that, then I don't know what you're seeing. | ||
| There's another video where it's kind of from a far distance, and it kind of looks that up as if he got ran over. | ||
| But if you line that up with each video, you see that he's on the side of the car when he shoots. | ||
| He's on the side of the car. | ||
| He's not getting run over. | ||
| And then he walks after the woman after he shoots her. | ||
| He checks her out to see if she's got his kill shot. | ||
| It's wrong. | ||
| And in the end, if you actually look at the video, honestly, you'll come to the same side as the rest of us normal people. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Bye-bye. | ||
| Joe from Sandusky, Ohio, a Democrat. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yes, I'd like to know how many ICE agents are pardoned riders from January 6th. | |
| And if they are, I don't think that's acceptable. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You said how many people pardoned in January 6th were ICE agents. | ||
| I'm not sure that those two things correlate. | ||
| But we do know that the president pardoned about 1,600 people from the January 6th pardons. | ||
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Well, I would think maybe that's why they're so ruthless. | |
| You know, if they're pardoned, he pardoned these guys for what? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And it seems to me like maybe they could be ICE agents. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What American people will want to do what he's wanting them to do. | ||
| Yeah, again, I'm not sure that there is any evidence that any of those pardoned under the January 6th pardons that the president did last year after taking office are ICE agents. | ||
| But perhaps somebody and the producers can look for a more concrete answer there. | ||
| Lewis from New Jersey, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good year to all. | |
| I'm going to talk about something that I don't hear much about, and that is if you discuss politics with someone, even civilly, lots of times they'll say, well, if you don't like who's representing you, vote them out. | ||
| Well, the people did vote them out. | ||
| Yet we have Republicans and senators voting with the Democrats. | ||
| That's against the Constitution. | ||
| The people voted for what they wanted to be represented on. | ||
| Well, how are individual Congress people voting bipartisanly? | ||
| How is that unconstitutional? | ||
| Let's take, for instance, Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania. | ||
| He lives in a Purple District, so he's a Republican. | ||
| He's one of the 17 who voted for the ACA subsidies extensions, but he's in a Purple District. | ||
| So I wonder how you square that with this idea that it's against the Constitution for a Republican to vote with a Democrat, or vice versa, a Democrat to vote with a Republican. | ||
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Well, it's such a long question. | |
| I'll give you a fast answer. | ||
| Bottom line. | ||
| Bottom line, the Republicans are supposed to be with the Republican people. | ||
| Bottom line. | ||
| Now, as you know, I'm conservative. | ||
| However, I've been trying to get a hold of Nellie Poe for the longest time with no result. | ||
| No result. | ||
| Are you there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who are you trying to get a hold of? | ||
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Nellie Pohl, my representative, and she's Democrat. | |
| For the longest time, I'm trying to reach her. | ||
| Left messages, no result. | ||
| And I hear a lot of that, that they don't respond. | ||
| Your representative won't respond. | ||
| You called her Capitol Hill office. | ||
| Have you called her local office? | ||
| Sometimes people have more success with that. | ||
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Yes, I have. | |
| Yes, I have. | ||
| And I knew the previous representative. | ||
| I didn't know he represented Rutherford either. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I thought it was just Patterson. | ||
| But just to let you know, you know, this is what's going on. | ||
| You know, nobody's talking about it, that we're not being represented correctly. | ||
| You know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Louie, a Republican from New Jersey. | ||
| Mel from New York State, an independent. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Thank you, Jasmine. | |
| I've been observing what's been taking place out in Minneapolis, and Renee Good has been called an observer. | ||
| But you cannot be a warrior and an observer at the same time. | ||
| You cannot obstruct and be categorized as an observer. | ||
| You're an obstructionist. | ||
| You cannot agitate and be called an observer. | ||
| You're an agitator. | ||
| So I think the press really needs to zero in on that to be clear and accurate about who the police were or who ICE was dealing with. | ||
| I heard a phrase, Jeffrey Mead, Brittany Hughes on Facebook are fantastic in what they assess. | ||
| And they've been using the phrase: play stupid games, win stupid prizes. | ||
| When people are confronted by law enforcement and make snide, taunting, aggravating, flippant, sarcastic, berating remarks, they're playing games. | ||
| And they won the prize, sadly. | ||
| Think about it, Jasmine. | ||
| The woman was told to get out of the car. | ||
| What did her companion say? | ||
| Drive, baby, drive. | ||
| She played the stupid game and sadly won the stupid prize. | ||
| Carol from St. Louis, Missouri, a Democrat. | ||
| This is open forum where you can talk about anything. | ||
| Okay, I wanted to talk about our standing in the world. | ||
| And Mike makes right. | ||
| Is that a good standing? | ||
| You know, just because we're strong, we can do anything we want. | ||
| You can look and see that NATO, the entire NATO, has not condoned any of this that Trump is up to. | ||
| And our best neighbor, Canada, we treat them terrible. | ||
| We have criticized them so badly, and now we want to take over everything in the area. | ||
| When he says the whole Western Hemisphere, he's talking Canada, he's talking Mexico, he's talking Greenland. | ||
| Come on, really, who do we think we are? | ||
| Are we just the power that can do whatever we want? | ||
| People got to say something and stand up and say no way. | ||
| So an article I would point to on Carol's point there is from the New York Times in an interview that he granted them this week. | ||
| One of the articles produced in that interview, the headline is Trump lays out a vision of power restrained only by, quote, my own mortality. | ||
| On topic after topic, President Trump made clear that he would be the arbiter of any limits to his authorities, not international laws or treaties. | ||
| This is by obviously a great slate of New York Times reporters. | ||
| And it says, asked in a wide-ranging interview with the New York Times if there were limits on his global powers, Mr. Trump said, Yeah, there is one thing: my own mortality, my own mind. | ||
| It's the only thing that can stop me. | ||
| He goes on to be quoted to say, I don't need international law. | ||
| He added, I'm not looking to hurt people. | ||
| When pressed further about his administration needed, about whether his administration needed to abide by international law, Mr. Trump said, quote, I do, but he made clear he would be the arbiter when such constraints applied to the United States. | ||
| Quote, it depends on what your definition of international law is, he said. | ||
| Mark from Michigan, a Republican, you're next. | ||
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| Go ahead. | ||
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Hey, how are you doing this morning? | |
| Good morning. | ||
| I'm talking about the Venezuela caller that says we're going after the oil only. | ||
| Obviously, the drug boats that were blown out of Venezuela and got blown up and destroyed is a good thing. | ||
| I mean, we're talking thousands of pounds of Coke and fentanyl that are killing the people in our country and multiple other countries. | ||
| And I love to see that our military is so together, they have all of the things that they need to go in and take someone out, the leader of the country. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| And it's something that we need. | ||
| We get rid of the drug pushers. | ||
| We save lives. | ||
| We get rid of confusion with people using the drugs. | ||
| And it's a great thing. | ||
| The problem over in Minnesota, that woman wasn't even from the state. | ||
| Her license plate was a different license plate than where she was. | ||
| And what mother of three children puts her life on the line to try and save people that are here in our country illegally? | ||
| I am so tired of hearing these people say, Oh, these immigrants are here in our country. | ||
| They've been here for years with not causing any problems. | ||
| The problem is you can look at the Somalia money being stolen. | ||
| You can look at anything of these immigrants coming here, going on welfare, getting funding for housing because they don't have any jobs. | ||
| They don't know how to speak English most of the time. | ||
| Elaine from Michigan, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Yeah, hi. | |
| I think the shooting happened three days ago on the 7th. | ||
| And when I woke up on the morning of the 8th, I thought, country feels a little different. | ||
| The air feels a little different. | ||
| And I'll tell you, when I listened to your first segment this morning, the caller seemed to confirm a change in attitude and tone. | ||
| You started the program with Venezuela, and nobody wanted to talk about Venezuela. | ||
| Everybody wanted to talk about the shooting in Minneapolis. | ||
| And I listen to this show every day, you know, and I have really rarely heard such angry, raised, hateful voices as I heard coming through, you know, the program this morning. | ||
| And I think it kind of confirms we've had enough, you know, after a year under the Trump government, we are clearly moving toward might rules. | ||
| And just not just here, but also in the world. | ||
| And I think people could be outraged and questioning and sad and angry. | ||
| But I think where we need to put our energy now is into protecting the elections. | ||
| I think the writing is on the wall, and we should shift some focus to local, state, and of course, then federal elections, voting places, et cetera. | ||
| James from Page, Arizona, Independent, you're next. | ||
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How's it going? | |
| Good morning. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| I'm just calling to, yeah, continue to comment. | ||
| So, you know, the United States has been, you know, at war my whole life. | ||
| I'm 30 years old. | ||
| March 2003 on my birthday was when they started dropping bombs on Baghdad. | ||
| I love all these young people calling today. | ||
| Continue. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, it's important. | |
| So, yeah, when, you know, in 2025, 2026, we start, you know, talk about Venezuela and wars over oil there. | ||
| It's just a continuation of this same thing that I've been seeing my entire life, and we're just so sick of it. | ||
| But my real comment, I just want to speak directly to my representative of Arizona too, Eli Crane. | ||
| You know, he concerns himself with, you know, this drug raids in Venezuela and extracting Maduro because of drugs, which he says. | ||
| But, you know, we don't see any money for drug rehab centers, human resources, or medical help for addiction here in Northern Arizona. | ||
| He concerns himself with child care fraud in Minnesota, which Biden's FBI conducted investigations on in 2022. | ||
| But we don't see any resources for child care facilities that are closing in northern Arizona. | ||
| I believe that Eli Crane, you know, he's just simply a Trump loyalist. | ||
| He really just goes with the party line. | ||
| And I don't believe that he truly represents people in Northern Arizona. | ||
| And just like the Republican caller, I'm like, he doesn't answer my phone calls either. | ||
| So it's a Democrat and Republican issue is congresspeople not contacting their constituents. | ||
| And then lastly, I'll just say that any extra judicial killing is morally and ethically corrupt no matter what you do. | ||
| And, you know, with all this ICE activity, I think it's simply to inflame xenophobic sentiments, which we've seen on these calls. | ||
| And this country is nothing without immigrants. | ||
| Read the inscription on the Statue of Liberty. | ||
| This country is nothing without immigrants, and they just want to inflame xenophobic sentiments. | ||
| And that's my comments. | ||
| Jay from Temple Hills, Maryland, a Republican. | ||
| This is Open Forum. | ||
| You can talk about anything. | ||
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| We call ourselves the Crazy 88. | ||
| And we have been rating the host. | ||
| Now, you are fairly new, so we don't have a rating for you. | ||
| But the way that you are taking a deep dive with these articles, verifying issues that people bring up, I'm sure you'll get some votes for deep dive hosts. | ||
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Now, Mimi holds that title. | |
| Two things I want to bring up. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I said, Mimi is excellent. | ||
| All of those. | ||
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| Although Pedro refuses to do it, but that's a whole nother story. | ||
| Two things I want to bring up. | ||
| Paul Offord, he's your next guest. | ||
| He really should be disqualified from coming on talking about vaccines because he co-founded a vaccine with Merck, and he received royalties as a result of that. | ||
| So that's really a conflict of interest. | ||
| So, you know, he should not be on talking for or against vaccines because of conflict of interest with him. | ||
| Okay, that's the first point. | ||
| The second point I want to make is there has been a lot of talk about why the United States does not have universal health care. | ||
| I hope you asked Mr. Hofford about his Merck involvement, but there's been talk about why the United States doesn't have universal health care. | ||
| Teddy Roosevelt tried it in 1912. | ||
| FDR tried it. | ||
| Truman tried it in 1947. | ||
| The reason why there's no universal health care in the United States is because of racism. | ||
| There's a name I want to throw out. | ||
| Frederick Ludwig Hoffman. | ||
| He was a German scientist. | ||
| He was a mathematic genius. | ||
| In the 1800s, he came with the result that if you keep black people away from receiving health insurance for two or three generations, they will die off as a race. | ||
| That was to resolve the race problem. | ||
| That has continued. | ||
| As I mentioned, Teddy Roosevelt tried it in 1912, Truman in 1947. | ||
| But the reason, and even with Obama with Obamacare, he took that out even before it went to be debated on because black people will get health care. | ||
| That's why the United States is the only advanced society that does not have universal health care. | ||
| Randall from North Dakota, a Democrat, you're next. | ||
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Morning. | |
| C-SPAN ran at least, I don't know, three dozen times the murders taking place on the open seas down in Venezuela. | ||
| C-SPAN has been showing the killing of this woman in Minnesota, I guess, at least two dozen times today, several times over the dozens of times over the past few days. | ||
| The one thing we know about murder that we're seeing is how obscene it is and how profane it is. | ||
| And it's C-SPAN, for some reason, is finding a purpose in just running this over and over and over. | ||
| Well, Randall, I can say that we run it, one, because multiple people have been calling in today saying if you look at the video, if you look at the video, if you look at the video, and we want to give our viewers an opportunity not just to talk about it, but to also see for their own eyes exactly what these callers are saying and whether or not they agree with their position. | ||
| It's not, we're not gratuitously showing it. | ||
| Obviously, it is a very tragic thing to what happened. | ||
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This is obscene. | |
| And then we see this man kill this woman. | ||
| And in two seconds after she kills this woman, he's all right. | ||
| So we will not have any cursing on the show. | ||
| But Mike from North Carolina and Independent. | ||
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| I'm sorry, but this Minnesota shooting, I can't help but think that this poor woman, Ms. Cook, would be alive today, you know, to protest another day had she obeyed, you know, the law of the officer, a lawful order to get out of the car. | ||
| It seems apparently she had gotten through a previous stop or somewhere she came through. | ||
| And, you know, for them to come up on her like that, she had to have done something previously. | ||
| And when I said, get out of the car, she should have stopped immediately and done that. | ||
| You know, all this protest stuff is straight out of Marcus Playbook. | ||
| You know, use the media to get the citizens riled up against their government. | ||
| And, you know, and the long haul is to overtake the government is what it is. | ||
| But the way these attacks on law enforcement go, it's getting out of hand. | ||
| And now they're walking around with signs saying justice for Ms. Cook. | ||
| Well, understandably so. | ||
| How about using the justice or laws on the books to prosecute, but justice on the books. | ||
| Also, justice is obeying a lawful order. | ||
| Michael from Florida, a Republican. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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| Good morning. | ||
| On this topic about the Minnesota protest, it's illegal, and they're impeding these officers are there to catch criminals, and they're causing interruption in their duties. | ||
| And that officer also had a right to protect his life as she was driving towards him like that. | ||
| And also as well, Waltz ordering the National Guard to go after ICE and all that. | ||
| Any of those officers or the National Guard should have to stand down if they don't represent and protect with ICE against this community that the criminals are in, that ICE, in fact, is going to get these criminals off the streets to protect America and American citizens. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And just a quick clarifying note, I point to a Hill article. | ||
| It says, Walls puts Minnesota National Guard on alert amid protests over ICE shooting. | ||
| It says that Governor Tim Walz authorized his state's National Guard to be, quote, staged and ready Thursday amid protests after a federal immigration officer fatally shot a woman in Minneapolis. | ||
| Lisa from Cleveland, an independent, you're next. | ||
| Lisa, you've got about 30 seconds. | ||
| What's your comment for open forum? | ||
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| First, I just want to say I appreciate the opinions everybody are expressing. | ||
| However, if you're going to quote an article, please quote the words correctly. | ||
| The word was mortality, not, the word was morality, not mortality. | ||
| So that puts a whole different spin on the article. | ||
| Secondly, in terms of the health care in this country, I have a health care crisis. | ||
| Thank you for the correction. | ||
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| Sure. | ||
| Because that's going to change the whole context of that article you read. | ||
| We don't have a health care crisis in this country. | ||
| We have a health insurance crisis in this country. | ||
| I heard a couple weeks ago, finally, somebody spoke the truth, of which I've been talking about for about 30 years now. | ||
| The government has approximately 661 agencies it has no authority on having, including it has no authority under the Constitution to run health insurance. | ||
| So if we get the government out of all of these agencies in the health insurance business, we will have access to health care. | ||
| No problem to that. | ||
| There will be much affordable health care. | ||
| The reason why somebody brought up we don't have universal health care in this country because nobody could afford it. | ||
| Secondly, I just wanted to point out ICE is here to protect us. | ||
| Unfortunately, sadly, most Americans don't know what ICE is, why it came into being. | ||
| Without ICE, okay, we'd had 3,000 people die on 9-11. | ||
| That's all I want to say. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And to her first point, let me recorrect. | ||
| Trump lays out a vision of power restrained only by my own morality from the New York Times. | ||
| And the full quote here is: Yeah, there is one thing, my own morality, my own mind. | ||
| It's the only thing that can stop me when asked if there were any limits to his global powers. | ||
| Next, on Washington Journal, Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Vaccine Education Center Director and former FDA Advisory Committee member Dr. Paul Offitt joins us to discuss the CDC's overhaul of the childhood immunization, which lowers the number of universally recommended vaccines. | ||
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| Joining us now to talk the latest about the vaccine schedules is Dr. Paul Offutt. | ||
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| Paul, thank you so much for joining us this morning. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So this week, the CDC announced it was cutting the number of vaccines universally recommended for kids. | ||
| What is the childhood vaccine schedule? | ||
| Well, so there are a series of vaccines that are given routinely in the first 18 years of life to prevent diseases that cause meningitis or bloodstream infections or severe diarrhea and a variety of other illnesses, paralysis caused by polio. | ||
| And you know, we've been giving vaccines in this country really since the first vaccine, smallpox vaccine in the early 1800s. | ||
| And for that reason, we live longer and better and healthier lives. | ||
| Now, who uses it? | ||
| And can you just kind of walk us through how often changes, particularly of this magnitude, are made to it? | ||
| Well, how often changes are made of this magnitude is never. | ||
| We have a Secretary of Health and Human Services who is a vigorous anti-vaccine activist and science denialist who believes that vaccines have merely lessened infectious diseases at the cost of causing chronic diseases, even though he's wrong about that. | ||
| And he is on a war vaccine against vaccines. | ||
| He is going to do everything he can to make vaccines less available, less affordable, and more feared. | ||
| And in that way, he thinks he's actually helping children when he's doing exactly the opposite. | ||
| Now, before we continue, Paul, I want to invite our callers to start calling in. | ||
| The lines are a little bit different here. | ||
| For parents, your line is 202-748-8000. | ||
| For caregivers, your line is 202-748-8001. | ||
| For medical professionals, your line is 202-748-8002. | ||
| And others can call in on the line 202-748-8003. | ||
| Now, I want to put a full screen graphic on the screen right now, Paul, that deals with the vaccine categories. | ||
| According to this new announcement, universally recommended vaccines that all children should receive is a part of it. | ||
| Vaccines for children that are high risk is another category. | ||
| And vaccines that should be discussed as a shared decision with a child's provider. | ||
| I wonder, now that they're split into those three categories, what's your reaction? | ||
| And what are you hearing from the medical community? | ||
| Well, the medical and scientific community are doing what they should do, which is basically ignoring this posting by Health and Human Services because it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I mean, it's again, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has put his thumb on the advisory committee for immunization practices. | ||
| And in this particular instance, he's gone behind closed doors with a series of other political appointees who don't have an expertise that just made up their own schedule. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| First of all, high-risk groups, when it lists things like respiratory syncytial virus and hepatitis A and meningococcus as high-risk high-risk groups, everyone's at risk. | ||
| I mean, hepatitis A can be a foodborne illness, therefore eating food puts you at high risk. | ||
| Respiratory syncytial virus causes 60,000 to 80,000 hospitalizations every year in this country in children less than six months of age, most of whom are previously healthy. | ||
| So the high risk is breathing air in this country, you know, if you're less than six months of age. | ||
| So that didn't make any sense. | ||
| Similarly, this shared clinical decision-making for the COVID vaccine, the flu vaccine, the rotavirus vaccine, also is nonsensical because what that says is basically the vaccines are optional. | ||
| You can reasonably choose not to get a vaccine, and that's not a reasonable choice for viruses that continue to circulate. | ||
| Those three viruses, SARS-CoV-2, the flu, and rotavirus, continue to circulate. | ||
| And so you take a real risk of getting those diseases with no benefit. | ||
| Now, on those universally recommended vaccines in that category, some of those listed are diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, influenza type B, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, HPV, chickenpox, according to HHS. | ||
| I wonder what is your reaction to those still being universally recommended? | ||
| I don't know their thinking. | ||
| I don't understand what problem they're trying to solve. | ||
| Is there thinking that we were preventing too many diseases? | ||
| Did they want some of these diseases to come back? | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I mean, I think if you ask Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to be honest about why he's doing this, he will say that he thinks children are getting too many vaccines. | ||
| So he'll retain a core group, but yet he's going to try and work away at the edges to decrease immunizations for diseases like meningococcus or rotavirus or respiratory synsocial virus because he just thinks that that's somehow weakening or overwhelming or perturbing our immune system and causing us to have chronic diseases, which simply isn't true. | ||
| The good news is pediatricians are largely ignoring this as they should. | ||
| And they look to the American Academy of Pediatrics, which recommends all these vaccines, because the job of the American Academy of Pediatrics is to protect the nation's public, whereas the job of the current Secretary of Health and Human Services is to wage a war on vaccines that will only make them less available, less affordable, and more feared. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| Now, something else that the HHS identified in these is you've talked about it, but high risk. | ||
| And that includes CDC recommended vaccines for children at high risk. | ||
| That includes RSV, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, and some others. | ||
| Is there a potential harm? | ||
| I mean, obviously, I think your answer to this would be yes, but who get the, or excuse me, one, is there a potential harm for others who aren't high risk to get these? | ||
| And then secondly, is there a potential harm to those who get the vaccine and may not need it for these listed as only recommended for high risk? | ||
| So the category is mislabeled. | ||
| Everyone is at risk. | ||
| Most children who were admitted to the hospital with RSV were otherwise healthy. | ||
| Most people who get invasive meningococcal disease, which can cause bloodstream infections and meningitis and pneumonia, are previously healthy. | ||
| Most people who get hepatitis A infections were previously healthy. | ||
| What is their risk? | ||
| I guess is it fair or accurate for the administration to say, you know, children with asthma are high risk and therefore they're the only ones that should be getting or are recommended to be getting these type of vaccines. | ||
| Well, so again, yes, there are certain high-risk categories, but because everybody is at risk, everybody therefore should receive the vaccines because there's no no-risk category. | ||
| So it doesn't make sense. | ||
| And you mentioned shared decision, but I just want to pull up this full screen for our audience one more time. | ||
| The shared decision vaccines for children that the CDC recommends, that's rotavirus, COVID, influenza, hepatitis A, hepatitis B. Is there anything that you believe that parents or caregivers should consider should consider when making decisions about whether or not to take these listed vaccines with their health care provider? | ||
| You should always speak to your physician. | ||
| I think that's always a good idea. | ||
| So the notion of shared clinical decision-making is not anything new. | ||
| Of course, you should talk to your physician and make sure you understand the risks and benefits of any vaccine. | ||
| But to move it away from a routine recommendation is to say that you can reasonably choose not to get this vaccine. | ||
| So what RFK Jr. is doing is he's basically trying to move vaccines to being basically optional. | ||
| And that's what Project 2025 says for the CDC. | ||
| It says it wants to eliminate the CDC as a recommending body for vaccines. | ||
| And that is slowly what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is doing. | ||
| Obviously, the HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy has a huge following. | ||
| They call themselves Maha. | ||
| It's part of the reason, or part of the coalition that he brought over when he endorsed President Trump in 2024. | ||
| But they would say that they don't agree with all the vaccines that have been recommended in the past. | ||
| So I guess what is your response or what should happen if parents and caregivers don't agree with their doctor on the recommended amount of vaccines? | ||
| I mean, isn't this action by HHS kind of in response to those feelings? | ||
| Yeah, but again, what HHS should do and what historically they did do is respond to the science, respond to scientific studies. | ||
| I mean, if parents are uncomfortable about giving one or more vaccines, then we should do a better job of explaining why they're important. | ||
| Instead of just saying, okay, well, if you're concerned about this vaccine, then we just won't give it. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| And look what happens when you do that. | ||
| I mean, last year, we've had this past year, we've had a measles epidemic that's involved more people than we've had in more than 30 years. | ||
| We've had three people die, including two healthy children. | ||
| That's the first child death from measles in the last 20 years. | ||
| We've had more tetanus cases, you know, lockjaw cases than we've had in more than a decade. | ||
| We've had almost 300 children now who have died of influenza over the past year. | ||
| That's more than anything we've seen since the last flu pandemic. | ||
| We've had pertussis or hooping cough deaths. | ||
| That's what happens when you back away from vaccines. | ||
| And it's just going to get worse under this Secretary of Health and Human Services. | ||
| Last question I'll ask you before we turn to calls here, Paul, is rotavirus. | ||
| It's something that you focused on. | ||
| I believe you helped co-create it. | ||
| It was part of your co-inventions. | ||
| One, do you have concerns about it being shared or being included on the quote shared decision list? | ||
| And two, can you talk to us about your connections with rotavirus? | ||
| Particularly, do you profit off of it being about it being kind of in the rotation of vaccines? | ||
| Okay, so I am the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine Rototech, which is one of two vaccines that are current rotavirus vaccines that are currently available. | ||
| That vaccine was licensed and recommended in 2006. | ||
| In terms of my, and so what's that vaccine done? | ||
| Is it's virtually eliminated the 70,000 hospitalizations from severe dehydration that children primarily between six and 24 months of age were forced to suffer. | ||
| Now we virtually eliminated that and that vaccine in the developing world saves about 165,000 lives a year. | ||
| Most people would consider that a good thing. | ||
| Anti-vaccine activists who basically are conspiracy theorists aren't. | ||
| They sort of look to you and say, oh, well, you must have benefited financially and that's why you're promoting vaccines, which isn't true. | ||
| I mean, both the motivation for working on that vaccine and the reward from that vaccine, obviously, were never financial. | ||
| But just to answer your question, yes, I am the co-inventor and therefore co-patent holder on that vaccine, but I am the intellectual property of Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. | ||
| Therefore, they own me and therefore they own the patent. | ||
| So I don't make money off of royalties from the sale of that vaccine and never have. | ||
| Our hospital sold out their rights to that patent almost more than 15 years ago. | ||
| But again, I didn't have a direct financial connection to Merck. | ||
| Never have. | ||
| Jeff from New York, who's calling on the medical line. | ||
| Your line's open. | ||
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| I think it would be instructive maybe to take one particular vaccine that has been that Kennedy has taken off of the list or changed it in such a way that it's going to increase mortality and morbidity. | ||
| And this is the hepatitis B vaccine. | ||
| The fact is that 25% of infected children with hepatitis B will die as they become adults. | ||
| And that infection rate has dropped virtually to zero, starting with the advent of the hepatitis B vaccine. | ||
| Could you explain to everybody exactly how that works and how many deaths are going to be now caused by the Kennedy recommendation? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you for your question. | ||
| So here's the way that played out. | ||
| If your mother has hepatitis B and you are born through a birth canal that has blood in it that contains hepatitis B, you have roughly an 85% chance of developing that infection. | ||
| If you get infected in the first year of life, you have a 90% chance of going on to develop cirrhosis, which is chronic liver disease or liver cancer, which will shorten your life, which is just what you said. | ||
| So I completely agree. | ||
| When we went to a universal hepatitis B birth dose vaccine in 1991, we virtually eliminated the 16,000 cases every year of hepatitis B in children less than 10. | ||
| So these children weren't getting hepatitis B because they were sex workers. | ||
| They weren't getting it because they were intravenous drug users. | ||
| They were getting it because either they passed through a birth canal that had hepatitis B or not. | ||
| About 8,000 of those children would get it from relatively casual contact for people that had chronic hepatitis B infection, of whom there are millions in this country. | ||
| And about 50% of people with chronic hepatitis B don't know that they're infected. | ||
| This isn't AIDS. | ||
| If you're living in the home of someone with AIDS, you're not going to get it, assuming you're not having sex with that person or sharing drugs with that person. | ||
| If you're a child in the home of someone with AIDS, you're not going to get it. | ||
| Not true for Hep B. If you come in contact with someone who has Hep B and you share a washcloth or towel or toothbrush or nail clipper or someone in the immediate family or someone who comes to visit, that is how you can get hepatitis B, which is how 8,000 children less than 10 got it in this country. | ||
| With the hepatitis B birth dose, we eliminated 99 plus percent. | ||
| What Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has just done is he's just said, yes, you can get the birth dose if your mother's infected, but if your mother's not infected or if the status is unknown, then you can wait. | ||
| That's a bad idea because it ignores those 8,000 children who got infected by other means. | ||
| It's a terrible recommendation. | ||
| He fired 17 people from the real advisory committee for immunization practices and replaced them with people like him who have an anti-vaccine bias. | ||
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| And all he is going to do is make it more likely, as you note, that people are going to get hepatitis B and then die at a younger age because of it. | ||
| Tragic. | ||
| Anthony from Miller Place, New York, caregiver. | ||
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I would like to bring to the equation here just the sheer chicanery that has gone on over the last 10 years with regard to mRNA, over-prescribing of medicines. | |
| You know, CVS pharmacy, Omni Healthcare, which distributes all the drugs to the nursing homes and the places where they keep people, you know, people with mental disorders. | ||
| They got caught up in a trillion-dollar fraud where they were kicked back money to all these hospitals and doctors. | ||
| So they've settled, they were found guilty for over $900 for $9 trillion, a trillion dollar, almost a trillion dollars, excuse me, $900 billion with a B that they embezzled through a kickback scheme for a very long time. | ||
| And they settled it for like, they got a slap on the wrist. | ||
| Now, you also have Marion Gruber and Philip Krauss, who were involved with the FDA's vaccine approval program. | ||
| They resigned their positions because of the chicanery that they witnessed. | ||
| And I ask you this, if the vaccines that you want to promote and profit from, which you're in denial of, if they're so safe and effective, why did Congress and the Senate exempt themselves and their staffers from consuming said proprietary ingredients that we, the people, my body, my choice, I can't even know what's in this stuff. | ||
| You're looking to force me to inject into my body. | ||
| So as far as we're concerned, you're finished. | ||
| We, my body, my choice. | ||
| I wonder if you're going to respond to some of those comments. | ||
| I'm not sure what the question was there. | ||
| I would say a few things. | ||
| First of all, I don't profit from the sale of vaccines, nor do pediatricians. | ||
| So in fact, for the most part, vaccines are a losing proposition for pediatricians because they have to stop them and store them. | ||
| And it's the best to break-even phenomenon. | ||
| You're wrong about why it is that Phil Krauss and Marion Gruber resigned from the FDA. | ||
| Not for any of the reasons that you said. | ||
| The reason they resigned from the FDA was that in August of 2021, President Biden stood up in front of the country and said, as of September of 2021, we are going, we, the United States, is going to recommend a third dose of mRNA vaccines. | ||
| What they didn't like is they didn't like it that President Biden ignored the FDA, ignored the CDC, and just made a unilateral statement. | ||
| That's why they resigned. | ||
| It had nothing to do with the quote-unquote chicanery that you're mentioning. | ||
| So get your facts straight. | ||
| I wonder one question, though, is, you know, this vaccine schedule was changed without an independent review, public formal comment or input from stakeholders. | ||
| What was the process? | ||
| What is the process? | ||
| What has it typically liked to make some of these changes and who is typically involved? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So here's what normally happens. | ||
| I was actually on the advisory committee for immunization practice at the CDC between 1998 and 2003. | ||
| We actually considered trying to see whether we could in any way lessen the number of doses because as children were getting more and more vaccines and they were getting more and more doses of vaccines, you know, there was concern in the public that it was too much. | ||
| So we did go through that. | ||
| And the way that works is you formulate a working group, which then reviews the data, discusses the data, and then presents those data to the advisory committee for immunization practices, the voting members who are experts, who have an expertise in the fields of virology, immunology, microbiology, statistics, epidemiology, so that you can come up with a good science-based, well-hewn decision. | ||
| That's not the way it worked here. | ||
| The way it worked here was that political appointees went behind closed doors without an expertise and simply made up a schedule that was somewhat based on Denmark's schedule, which makes no sense. | ||
| So we're not Denmark. | ||
| First of all, we're 55 times bigger than Denmark. | ||
| We don't have a national health care system. | ||
| We have a child poverty rate of 20% compared to their 4%, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| So that didn't make any sense. | ||
| And so it's just been hard to watch the way this has all played out, but it certainly doesn't play out the way it normally plays out, which is, as you mentioned, not only sort of the comments by expertise, but having public comments so people can better share in the decision-making process. | ||
| I mean, it's Robert F. Kenny Jr. said he's ushered in an era of radical transparency when in fact he's done exactly the opposite. | ||
| I mean, that was going to be my next question. | ||
| Obviously, there have been a lot of connections to this new schedule to Denmark. | ||
| You said that we have more people than Denmark. | ||
| You said that we don't have a universal health care system similar to Denmark. | ||
| But there are about 20 other high-income countries that the White House has compared this new schedule to. | ||
| Are there other reasons, other big factors as to why the U.S. is different than those 20 countries and why it's not apples to apples? | ||
| We choose to pay for vaccines. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| I mean, look at Denmark, for example. | ||
| Denmark last year had about 1,200 hospitalizations of children with rotavirus. | ||
| They had about 2,800 hospitalizations of children with respiratory syncytial virus. | ||
| We are trying to prevent those diseases. | ||
| We spend the money to prevent those diseases. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| And if you talk to the people in Denmark who are making those kind of public health decisions, they'll tell you why. | ||
| They choose not to pay for it. | ||
| They don't want to pay for it. | ||
| We do. | ||
| So if anything, they should be emulating us, not the other way around. | ||
| Bob from Independence, Missouri, calling on the others line. | ||
| Once I find your number, you're next. | ||
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Yes, good morning. | |
| Dr. Alfred, you know, I come from a long line of doctors. | ||
| I'm not a doctor myself. | ||
| I worked 20 years in the healthcare industry. | ||
| I'm not invested in any vaccines like you aren't either. | ||
| When I was a kid, when we were children, my two brothers and I, our cousin had polio, and mom found out that we hadn't been vaccinated. | ||
| So she marched us promptly to the nearest clinic and make sure we got the polio vaccine. | ||
| So medical science cannot be built on conspiracies. | ||
| It never has been like it is now. | ||
| We have conspiracy nuts running the CDC, basically, or people like this idiot, I'm sorry to say, RSK Jr. | ||
| I mean, I can't believe that in 2026 we're having this discussion. | ||
| You have answered, you have touched some of the issues that I wanted to talk about already, so I'm not going to bring that up. | ||
| But would you elaborate on the study on 1.2 million children done in Denmark, showing that there's no connection between aluminum and autism and things like that? | ||
| And it's a very comprehensive study that cannot be ignored by America or any other country. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| No, thank you for bringing that up. | ||
| I mean, polio is also an emotional issue for me. | ||
| I mean, I was born in 1951 before there was a polio vaccine. | ||
| And at age five, I was in a polio ward for about six weeks. | ||
| So I certainly remember iron lungs. | ||
| I remember the Sister Kenny hot pack treatments, where children would get these excruciatingly hot packs, put on withered arms and legs, and would scream out, it was a Dickens-like experience. | ||
| So I share your emotional connection there. | ||
| You bring up a good point. | ||
| I think Robert F. Kenny Jr. is interested in going after aluminum adjuvants and vaccines. | ||
| So aluminum adjuvants and vaccines, which have been used really for about not only about 100 years, exactly 100 years, they were first used starting in 1926, are used to make it so that you can give fewer doses of vaccines and lesser quantities of the vaccine itself. | ||
| So he's going to go after that. | ||
| And there was a really important study that was just published out of Denmark that was published in the Annals of Internal Medicine looking at that. | ||
| Is it possible that as you look at children who got more or less aluminum adjuvants, that there's any connection to any chronic infection? | ||
| So it was a really perfectly done study. | ||
| Anders Wid was the senior author. | ||
| And they looked at children who got anywhere from zero milligrams of aluminum salts to up to 4.5 milligrams of aluminum salts and then looked at 50 different disease or disorder states in the categories of allergic or autoimmune or neurodevelopmental and found no association. | ||
| Robert F. Kennedy Jr., not surprisingly, hated that study because it showed that he is dead wrong about what he's pursuing. | ||
| And he tried to kind of get the journal to withdraw the study, which obviously they didn't do. | ||
| So that's an excellent single study that stands out there. | ||
| And thanks for bringing it up because I feel like we're going to be talking about that study more over the next few months. | ||
| And just for folks to visualize what that looks like, I'll have my producers show my screen right now. | ||
| It's the Annals of Internal Medicine. | ||
| That study was produced, I believe, in 2025, July 15, if anybody wants to independently research that for themselves. | ||
| Shelly from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on the Medicare medical line. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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I'm glad that I was able to get through, Dr. Offic. | |
| Just to preface my question, I've been a nurse for over 45 years, and 25 years of that I spent as a nurse at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh. | ||
| I believe you were a resident there. | ||
| I started in the early 70s, and then I focused on kids with cancer. | ||
| And I've moved on to work for a large NCI-supported cooperative group that develops clinical trials for adults with cancer. | ||
| And I think that my question is maybe to explain to the public, you know, Bobby Kennedy Jr. talks a lot about returning to the gold standards for research, but that's what has been used over all of these decades to produce studies, well-developed, you know, studies. | ||
| I'm involved with them. | ||
| On certain studies, I'm involved with serious adverse event reporting. | ||
| And I know how these, I've come to know how these studies take time and then to implement them, conduct them, to follow them, to publish your results. | ||
| And so he's just basing all of his stuff on junk science. | ||
| I've looked at some of these studies, especially the one that came out of the Lancet that started all this autism stuff. | ||
| I think there was only 12 subjects in that study. | ||
| So if you could just kind of talk about how vaccines have gone through true gold standards for research, I would really appreciate it. | ||
| And thanks once again. | ||
| You started out good by starting a children's hospital. | ||
| That's all I have to say. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I was at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh between 1977 and 1980, so we probably overlap. | ||
| Actually, I was briefly a Steelers fan, but now I'm in Philadelphia, so I'm an Eagles fan. | ||
| But yes, you're right. | ||
| No, you make such a good point, and you make it well that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has a sort of Orwellian thing that he does where he really says the opposite of what he means. | ||
| When he says that he's holding up a gold standard study, invariably he holds up a methodologically flawed, poorly conceived, poorly contrived study that is exactly the opposite of that. | ||
| And then for a study such as the one we just mentioned, the Anders Vid study about aluminum managements, he says, well, that was a terrible study because it doesn't agree with his fixed, immutable, science-resistant anti-vaccine beliefs. | ||
| You're so right. | ||
| I mean, we learn by doing excellent studies, and I think truths emerge over time. | ||
| I think we're always open-minded to the fact that we don't know everything and that we need to be open-minded to the fact that as we learn more, we change. | ||
| And invariably, I think medical innovations, for every medical innovation, there's a human price paid for knowledge, and we need to be open-minded to that human price. | ||
| But you're so right. | ||
| I mean, I think we, you know, we live, let me put it this way, when cavemen lived till about 30. | ||
| By the late 1800s, we lived till about 35. | ||
| Now, you know, men till about the mid-70s, women till the early 80s. | ||
| Vaccines have a lot to do with that. | ||
| And advances in medical care, like, you know, antibiotics and so much else that we have done because of good science, good, excellent scientific studies done by people like you. | ||
| So thank you so much for calling in. | ||
| James from Rim Rock, Arizona, calling on the parents' line. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Hey, good morning. | |
| I wonder if maybe you elaborate a little more on the European vaccine schedules versus the American. | ||
| And how is it that the socialized medicine that you leftists are pushing all the time, how is it that they're the conspiracy, but you're not the conspiracy? | ||
| Are they not telling the truth here? | ||
| Are they lying? | ||
| Or who's the conspiracist? | ||
| I guess is what we really want to know. | ||
| Okay, so the way you've asked the question, I have to choose who's the conspiracy theorist. | ||
| I don't believe in conspiracy. | ||
| Sadly, I mean, I'm a scientist and a pediatrician by training and a virologist by practice. | ||
| For me, it's just about making the best decisions based on the best evidence. | ||
| It's really very simple that way. | ||
| So I don't have to get involved in what you would describe as leftist conspiracies. | ||
| I wonder, though, if you can talk a little bit more about the difference between European schedule and this new schedule or our previous schedule, as the caller mentioned. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So we're the only developed world country that doesn't have a national health system. | ||
| They all have national health systems, and therefore they make financial decisions in a way differently than we make them. | ||
| So for example, Denmark chooses not to give a rotavirus vaccine and suffered roughly 1,300 cases of rotavirus admissions to the hospitalizations, which if you multiply out the fact that they're 55 times smaller, was about the 70,000 hospitalizations we had until we eliminated it with the vaccine. | ||
| Similarly, their respiratory syncitiovirus hospitalizations mimic what ours would have been, 60,000 to 80,000 hospitalizations a year in babies, until we had a maternal vaccine and then a childhood monoclonal antibody that has cut that number in half. | ||
| They should admire what we're doing. | ||
| We shouldn't be admiring what they do. | ||
| Well, you know, it's, I think part of what people don't understand is when Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gets up on television, he'll say this. | ||
| He'll say, you know, when I was a little boy, I only got a couple vaccines and I'm fine. | ||
| So one thing Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and I share, and it's probably the only thing we share, is that we are both children of the early 1950s. | ||
| I was born in 51. | ||
| He was born in 54. | ||
| We were both born before a polio vaccine. | ||
| We got two vaccines. | ||
| We got the smallpox vaccine and we got the diphtheria tetanus pertussis vaccine. | ||
| It's not the number of shots that counts. | ||
| It's what's in those shots that counts. | ||
| I mean, if you're talking about challenging the immune system, then how many immunological components are in vaccines? | ||
| The smallpox vaccine had 200 separate immunological components. | ||
| It's viral proteins. | ||
| It's a large virus. | ||
| The hooping cough vaccine, which was a whole kill bacterial vaccine, and bacteria are big, had about 3,000 immunological components. | ||
| Robert F. Kennedy and Jr. and I were inoculated with roughly 3,200 immunological components in the early 1950s. | ||
| If you take what my grandchildren are getting today and add up all the vaccines that they're going to get, it adds up to about 180 immunological components. | ||
| 3,200 versus 180. | ||
| Children are less challenged by vaccines today. | ||
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| I understand that they had more shots, but there is actually a lesser chance of their immune system. | ||
| I don't think people understand that. | ||
| Nancy from Ohio calling in on the others line, you're next. | ||
| Nancy? | ||
| Nancy, are you on the line? | ||
| Linda from Pennsylvania calling in on the parents line. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Yes, hello. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| And I want to say, Dr. and I live in the same area. | ||
| I'm in the suburbs of Philadelphia, so go Philadelphia. | ||
| Anyways, I'm a grandmother, and I would like to say that I vehemently disagree with Robert Kennedy, and I don't think he's going to change. | ||
| I appreciate what people have, that people have strong emotions. | ||
| Even lied on his or mistold the truth on his interview in front of well Senate or the Congress, i'm not sure. | ||
| So I think rather, we should concentrate on the relationship between the doctor and the patient, which would be a mother, maybe a father, maybe a caretaker, uh. | ||
| What's important here though, is I find that the time allotted between doctor and patients. | ||
| I often feel pressured as an adult. | ||
| I'm remembering back, I have two children that are adults. | ||
| I just don't think that doctors or their support staff it could be a nurse practitioner, male or female I don't think they're spending enough time with the patients or the mothers to make this decision. | ||
| I'd like to make one other statement, because I watch C-span regularly, and very rarely is a doctor available. | ||
| I would like everyone please, to consider that Donald Trump probably has post-traumatic stress disorder. | ||
| Please listen to me. | ||
| Anyone who's had um a bullet graze their ear. | ||
| What he went through I think that was also in Pennsylvania, but what he went through was horrible. | ||
| I think he has ptsd. | ||
| Yes, we could say trump. | ||
| Point one was his first four years. | ||
| There's a change in him. | ||
| Dr Paul, I wonder if you have a response to either part of that comment. | ||
| Well, the first part so. | ||
| So what I would say is that that when you say that people are dissatisfied with the healthcare system, I completely agree. | ||
| When you say that people are dissatisfied with the fact that when they go to their physician, that the physician is often just looking at the computer and typing things and is really isn't really looking at at you or spending the time with you, that you need to be reassured about a variety of issues, I agree, and I think that's where a lot of this comes from. | ||
| I think a lot of the pushback, not just against vaccines but against medical care in general, is coming from that dissatisfaction, dissatisfaction. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I think we need to do much better on that. | ||
| And since you are a resident of suburban Philadelphia, go birds, Joseph, from Alabama, a Parent, you're next, all right. | ||
| All right Joseph, you've got about 30 seconds. | ||
| Do you have a question for dr Paul? | ||
| Yeah, dr Paul, I was in the RSV double blind study a few years ago and I hadn't been sick ever since you got the and when the pneumonia virus vaccine came out, took that and had pneumonia since then. | ||
| But I remember when polio was around when I was born in 52 and neighbors all around me had polio, my mama made sure we got vaccinated, and when I was in the military, we got vaccinated every time we had to put our uniform off. | ||
| Have a good day people, and get vaccinated. | ||
| We in important, you know. | ||
| I'd like to say one thing to that, Go ahead. | ||
| It's always really comfortable for me when people who are older call in because they know what the impacts of vaccines have been. | ||
| The younger people, I think vaccines and blogs have been a victim of their own success. | ||
| The younger people, including younger doctors, don't see these diseases anymore, so they can be more blasé about them. | ||
| But I love it when older people call in. | ||
| I wonder just quickly, in about 30 seconds, Paul, do you have concerns not just about the children who may not be getting these shots anymore, but what effect that would have on adults who cohabitate with children or around children? | ||
| Is there any concern about that? | ||
| Yes, especially for diseases like respiratory sincerity virus influenza. | ||
| I mean, studies have been done showing that when you, for example, vaccinate children against influenza, that that also affects an adult, including an older adult population. | ||
| Of course, that's true. | ||
| That's why this whole kind of medical freedom movement, which is, I'm going to make a decision for myself and the hell with everybody else, you know, these are contagious diseases, so you are making decisions for other people. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Dr. Paul Offitt of Children's Hospital Philadelphia, Vaccine Education Center Director and former member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us this morning. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| And that's all for today's program. | ||
| But another edition of Washington Journal comes to you tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. Eastern. | ||
| Stay tuned. | ||