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Dec. 16, 2025 13:23-13:33 - CSPAN
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Sen. Lindsey Graham R-SC on Venezuela Boat Strikes

Sen. Lindsey Graham argues Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro is a "narco-terrorist" who must be removed, citing 25 U.S. military strikes already conducted under similar authority and comparing his case to Panama (1989) and Haiti (1994). He insists regime change is the goal, warning Maduro’s continued rule emboldens adversaries like Russia, China, and Iran, while advocating for congressional oversight and a clear post-operation strategy. The urgency stems from drug trafficking’s devastating impact on American communities, framing military action as both lawful and necessary to prevent further harm. [Automatically generated summary]

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lindsey graham
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tylease alli
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markwayne mullin
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What We Want Clarified 00:07:52
unidentified
I have zero feelings for someone that's poisoning our streets.
I will do anything to protect my family.
Anything to protect my family.
They're bringing poison into our streets.
It's affected everybody that's standing here.
Everybody here has been affected by someone that has been affected by drug overdose.
markwayne mullin
I promise you you have because it's that outrageous.
unidentified
I have zero problems sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
markwayne mullin
And I hope they rot in hell for it because they know what they're doing when they get on that boat and they're trafficking the drugstore streets.
unidentified
Do you think they care about our family?
Heck no.
They don't care.
And so I don't care about them.
Is it better to err on the side of fatal strikes?
No, there is checks.
Absolutely not.
There is a lot of checks.
There's a lot of checks and balances that go in place.
Every boat that's coming across the Caribbean, we're not striking.
There's some of them that we decide to have interdiction with the Coast Guard because they don't make all their criteria.
markwayne mullin
There's multiple layers of criteria before we actually decide to make that strike.
unidentified
There's multiple criteria that take place.
If one of them's not missing, then we do interdiction.
And there's been more interdiction over this same period than we have actually had strikes.
No.
No, and I'm sorry, I gotta go.
Thank you, Definitely.
Very good briefing.
Before I had this job, I was a judge advocate for about 30 years.
lindsey graham
There's no doubt in my mind that we have the legal authority to blow up these boats, interdict these boats.
In 1989, President Bush 41 literally invaded Panama, dropping the 82nd Airborne, taking the president of Panama out, putting him in American prison because he was a narco-terrorist drug dealer.
unidentified
There is no difference.
lindsey graham
In 1994, President Clinton took down the military takeover of the Junta, the generals who took over Haiti, and brought back civilian control of Haiti.
unidentified
He was right to do that.
Bush 41 was right to clean up Panama.
lindsey graham
Trump is right to deal with a narco-terrorist state called Venezuela.
unidentified
Maduro is not a legitimate president.
lindsey graham
He's actually head of one of these terrorist organizations.
And I am glad that we're taking him on.
unidentified
But here's my concern.
We got, yeah, 15% of the Navy pointed at this guy.
If he's still standing when this is over, this is a fatal, major mistake to our standing in the world.
lindsey graham
If after all this, Maduro is still in power, that's the worst possible signal you could send to Russia, China, Iran.
unidentified
So I asked the question, what happens when he leaves?
And they say that this is counter-drugs.
It'd be nice if he left.
That's not a good answer.
lindsey graham
I want to reassert again, you cannot allow this man to be standing after this display of force.
And I did not get a very good answer as to what happens next.
unidentified
Why shouldn't you release this video to be the first one?
I think it should be.
Is it a mistake?
I think the video should be given to everybody in college.
You know, the least of my concerns is this friggin' video.
Release it, make your own decisions.
This is lawful.
I have every confidence that what they're doing is no different than what Bush did.
lindsey graham
Nobody in the Congress accused the military leadership under President Bush 41 of being a war criminal for invading Panama without congressional authorization.
unidentified
No, no, just no.
The video, I don't think most Americans give a damn about the video.
I'd like all of us to see it.
lindsey graham
Most Americans are going to know what's going to happen next.
unidentified
I want to know what's going to happen next.
Is it the policy to take Maduro down?
It should be if it's not.
And if he goes, what's going to happen next?
I'd like a better answer as to what happens when Maduro goes.
Isn't that the essence of a point?
You talk about what happened in 1989.
Yeah.
That was a limited operation with Anglo-World going to happen about a month.
Haiti anymore limited.
We've been doing it.
Limited?
You took the wait, wait a minute.
1989 wasn't a limited operation.
lindsey graham
We literally invaded the country, took the president in power and put him in jail.
unidentified
That's not limited.
It doesn't matter the duration.
lindsey graham
The point is, we have legal authority, in my view, to do in Venezuela what we did regarding Panama and Haiti.
unidentified
The question is, how long does it take?
It's not an issue for me.
If you want to stay just thing, fine.
But I want to address the question: is it the goal to take him out?
If it's not the goal to take him out, you're making a mistake.
Is a regime change to take him out as a regime?
Yes.
I don't care.
Just long as he leaves.
No, I'm saying if it's not the goal, it is a huge mistake.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
If after all this, we still leave this guy in power.
What did Trump say?
His days are numbered.
lindsey graham
Every indication by President Trump is that the purpose of this operation is to shut down the Maduro regime and replace it with something less threatening to the United States.
unidentified
Exactly what we did in Panama.
And what I want is some clarity going forward.
Is that in fact the goal?
If it is the goal, I would celebrate that being the right goal.
Doesn't that underpin them the need for oversight?
No.
Oversight.
What I want to do is we did.
I don't know who provided oversight to the invasion of Panama.
This is not about Congress.
Look at the video.
Let Congress look at the video.
No, Congress.
I'm saying they should give it to Congress.
I support that.
I have told him that I think he should release the video.
lindsey graham
But the point you're missing here is not about blowing up a single boat.
unidentified
We've blown up 25 votes for what purpose?
Why are we killing all these people?
To protect America.
And if Maduro is what they say he is, and I believe them, he needs to go.
lindsey graham
It should be the policy of the United States that when this is over, he's no longer standing like Norrego was no longer in charge of Panama.
unidentified
If that's the goal, count me in.
And I want to know what's the plan for the day after.
Have the Minister probably articulated the objective here with Venezuela?
I think they've articulated their legal authority.
I think they've articulated how they decide to blow somebody up and not.
But I want clarity right here.
President Trump is saying his days are numbered.
That seems to me that he's got to go.
If it's the goal of taking him out because he's a threat in our country, then say it.
And what happens next?
Don't you think most people want to know that?
Do you want them to come back?
And would you like to see the committee answer that?
They gave an answer that was confusing to me.
So do you want them to come back and should there be a paper?
You can continue watching this if you go to our website, c-span.org.
We're going to leave this here for live coverage of the U.S. House here on C-SPAN.
Resolution Consideration 00:02:06
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One, adoption of House Resolution 951, if ordered.
The first electronic vote will be conducted as a 15-minute vote.
Pursuant to clause 9 of Rule 20, remaining electronic votes will be conducted as five-minute votes.
Pursuant to clause 8 of Rule 20, the unfinished business is the vote on ordering the previous question on House Resolution 951, on which the yays and nays are ordered.
The clerk will report the title of the resolution.
tylease alli
House Calendar Number 50, House Resolution 951.
Resolution providing for consideration of the bill, H.R. 4776, to amend the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 to clarify ambiguous provisions and facilitate a more efficient, effective, and timely environmental review process.
Providing for consideration of the bill, H.R. 1366, to provide for the location of multiple hard rock mining mill sites to establish the abandoned hard rock mine fund and for the purposes.
Providing for consideration of the bill, H.R. 845, to require the Secretary of the Interior to reissue regulations removing the gray wolf from the list of endangered and threatened wildlife under the Endangered Species Act of 1973.
Providing for consideration of the bill, H.R. 3616, to require the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to review regulations that may affect the reliable operations of the bulk power system.
Providing for consideration of the bill, H.R. 3632, to amend the Federal Power Act to adjust the requirements for orders, rules, and regulations relating to the furnishing adequate service.
To require owners or operators of generating facilities to provide notice of planned retirements of certain electric generating units and for the purposes.
And providing for consideration of the bill, H.R. 4371, to amend the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 to enhance efforts to combat the trafficking of children.
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The question is on ordering the previous question.
Members will record their votes by electronic device.
This is a 15-minute vote.
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