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mimi geerges
Joining us now is Representative Michael Baumgartner.
He's a Republican of Washington and a member of the Judiciary and Foreign Affairs Committees.
Welcome to the program, Congressman.
michael baumgartner
Hey, thank you for having me on.
mimi geerges
So I just wanted to start, since you're on the Foreign Affairs Committee, of the news that we heard yesterday broke by Axios and the Wall Street Journal about this plan, a peace plan that's negotiations happening between Washington and Russia.
It says, the Wall Street Journal says the Trump administration pushes new plan to end Ukraine war.
Kyiv will likely oppose the 28-point proposal containing demands it previously rejected.
Just want to know what you know about that and what your thoughts are on that.
michael baumgartner
Well, I have read a few of the reports.
Of course, we haven't seen, those were leaks.
We haven't seen an official plan.
So before I comment fully, I'll wait until it's a total plan.
But, you know, the U.S. interests in Ukraine remain the same.
We need to make sure that Vladimir Putin is unsuccessful in his attempts to take over Ukraine.
We want to avoid World War III, and the best way to do that is not to have an emboldened imperialist expansionist Russia feeling like they can threaten the West.
And we don't want Russian troops on the Polish border, and we need to make sure that Russia is unsuccessful in this terrible war that they started.
mimi geerges
The reports indicate that Ukraine would have to give up land in eastern Ukraine.
They have been very reluctant to agree, obviously, to giving up any of their land.
What are your thoughts on that?
Should they, in the interest of peace, should they be forced by Washington to do that?
michael baumgartner
Well, you know, naturally, any Ukrainian leader is going to have a tough time looking at his people and talking about the facts of the ground.
You know, the facts are the ground are that Russia does occupy Crimea, and it's likely to stay that way for a while.
And they also occupy significant portions of Ukrainians' east.
That doesn't make it right, but that is a reality on the ground.
And, you know, if there is a moment where there is going to peace, which there eventually will, hopefully it will start probably most practically with a ceasefire and a détente along whatever current lines there are.
But there's going to be some hard realities for everyone in that.
Peace is never easy.
But again, what the U.S. interest is, is that there's not emboldened expansionist Russia feeling like they can continue to threaten the West.
mimi geerges
The Epstein Files Transparency Act was signed into law yesterday.
You voted for that.
Are you concerned about any obstruction by the Justice Department or a partial release of the files?
michael baumgartner
No, I'm someone who's always supported full transparency with the Epstein files and that terrible issue.
I don't have concerns from the Justice Department.
I think what's notable is most of this recent information that came out, including that there was a Democratic member of Congress who was texting Jeffrey Epstein in real time during a congressional hearing, which I think is outrageous and shameful.
But that information actually came because the Republican-led House Oversight Committee subpoenaed the Jeffrey Epstein estate.
So that wasn't even an issue of the Department of Justice.
So, you know, I'd like to see as much of the information out there as possible.
Obviously, victims do need to be protected.
And things like any, if there is child pornography in those files, I don't know if there is, but those sort of things should not be released.
So, you know, there do need to be proper safeguards to protect victims and the innocent.
But I think the American people want full answers on Jeffrey Epstein.
I continue to want to know why he was given a sweetheart deal back in 2006 by the prosecutors and would like to know where all the money came from.
So I think the House Oversight Committee is doing a good job on those issues, and I think we'll get the answers the American people are looking for.
mimi geerges
Attorney General Pam Bondi said yesterday, there's information, new information, additional information.
Congressman, do you have any idea what she might be referring to and what information we should be expecting to see?
michael baumgartner
Well, I think some of that information may be of what came out in the release to the House Oversight Committee from the subpoena that went to the Epstein estate.
You know, I don't think anybody knew, for example, the extent of former Harvard president Larry Summers, his connection to Jeffrey Epstein, the fact that even after Jeffrey Epstein was a connected sex trafficker, that Epstein was asking Epstein for coaching lessons on how to seduce a woman.
I mean, that's pretty gross, pretty weird for a guy that's a university president.
If you had issues where we had these Democrat members still in contact with Jeffrey Epstein during a committee hearing, that's new information.
And apparently, Democrat leader Hakeem Jeffries' fundraising firm, if not, I don't know whether it was Jeffries himself, but I think at least his fundraising firm was still soliciting campaign donations from Jeffrey Epstein even after he was a convicted sex trafficker.
So that's some of the new information I didn't know two weeks ago.
So that may be what Attorney General Bondi is speaking of.
mimi geerges
Back to foreign affairs.
On Tuesday, President Trump defended the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman over the killing of Washington Post journalist opinion columnist Jamal Khashoggi.
He said, quote, things happen.
Even though his own intelligence community, the CIA, during his term, pointed the finger at definitely at MBS that he had ordered the killing.
What was your reaction to that?
michael baumgartner
Well, you know, I've spent a lot of time in the Middle East.
I was a State Department officer in Baghdad during the Iraq surge and used to work extensively in the Middle East 25 years ago.
So, you know, when I used to go to Saudi Arabia, there were bombs going off and it was very dangerous for Westerners to go there.
And there were religious police who would come around with sticks and beat Saudi Arabian women if they were dressed improperly.
You know, what MBS has done, the new Saudi leader has tried to modernize the country and has made a lot of progress suppressing Islamic insurgents in that very dangerous part of the world.
There's still a lot of challenges with Saudi Arabia, but they do have the world's second largest oil reserves.
You have to be realistic about their relative geologic geopolitical importance to the world.
None of that says you should excuse what went on with Khashoggi.
That was a terrible incident.
But, you know, it's President Trump's job to be the leader for the free world and deal with the practical realities of a very dangerous part of the world.
And we need Saudi Arabia to help bring peace to the Middle East.
We need them to join the Abraham Accords.
Saudi Arabia was key in standing up the Iranian nuclear threat.
And we have Islamic insurgents still in Yemen and in Syria.
And we have to have partnerships with Saudi Arabians on those issues as well too.
So The Khashoggi issue incident was a sad and significant issue in history, but it would be President Trump would not be doing his job to protect the American people if he dwelled on that incident as the only issue with regards to American Saudi Arabia.
mimi geerges
If you'd like to join our conversation with Representative Michael Baumgartner, he's a Republican of Washington State.
You can do so.
Our lines are bipartisan.
Democrats are on 202-748-8000.
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We'll go to the phones now to Ann in Sherwood, Oregon.
Democrat.
Ann, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thank you.
I just have one question, and I don't know if he can answer it.
Why if you call the White House comment line, and why if you try to send an email to the White House, Caroline Levitt comes on with her little speech that unless the Democrats can change their position and vote for the bills that they would like to have, there will be no contact for you to the White House or the president.
Do you know anything about that?
Also, I am very concerned about money coming from Saudi Arabia for us to send airplanes when we know absolutely that the Saudi Arabians were involved, not particularly the government, but the terrorists who are located there were instrumental in bombing New York towers.
I would be very hesitant to send any kind of airplane.
And unfortunately, I think our president is using the democracy for his own little task fund.
And hopefully, eventually, we'll see how much money he is making in his foundation that his children are supposed to be managing.
mimi geerges
All right, Ann.
michael baumgartner
Thank you, Ann.
As somebody from Washington State, it's always good to hear from a neighbor in Oregon.
I actually have family in Sweet Home, Oregon, and Coos Bay.
Regarding the White House, you know, I think they get a lot of calls.
Obviously, I'm in Congress, not in the White House, but I do know that they get an immense amount of calls.
And during the, just, you know, telling facts like they are, you know, the Democrats shut down the government, that restricted staff, and I think they have a lot of backlog in those kind of calls and correspondence.
I know that the White House switch line was down during the government shutdown, and so it was unfortunate.
It's great.
We got the government opened up again, and hopefully those response times will go down.
You know, you're right to be concerned about Islamic extremism in Saudi Arabia.
That's a real issue.
We saw that, obviously, on 9-11 with the attack in our own home.
Now, what we've been able to do and what we need to continue to do is find alliances with those folks willing to take on that Islamic extremism.
And the Saudi military and armed forces have been recently willing to fly bombing and attack missions with us in places like Yemen, where there are al-Qaeda and ISIS and Houthi extremists and also potentially in Syria.
So, you know, America needs to build alliances where we can.
And obviously, we want to drain the support for Islamic terrorists and build alliances with whoever we can on that effort.
And so that's part and parcel of that developments with Saudi Arabia to try to bring them into alliance.
And we also need the Saudi Arabians to have peace with Israel and recognize Israel to build a safer world.
We're all God's children.
We all deserve a better world.
We want the kids of every nation and creed in the Middle East to do better.
And that's going to take building alliances, even if there used to be some past tense situations.
mimi geerges
And Congressman, are you in favor of the sale of F-35s to Saudi Arabia?
michael baumgartner
I am.
I support that.
mimi geerges
Would you condition that on recognizing Israel and normalizing relations with Israel?
michael baumgartner
I think there's a full court press going on right now with regard to Israel.
And certainly this administration, what they did with the Abraham Court Accords, which is where Arab nations were recognizing just the right for Israel to exist, which is extremely important for the people of the Middle East to see their leaders say the Jews belong in this region.
And this administration was also, in my view, the strongest administration ever dealing with the Mulahs and Islamic extremists in Iran with the recent strikes.
So I think this administration has a ton of credibility on the Middle East.
And I look forward to seeing what's going to come next to Abraham and Saudi Arabia because I know that's an ongoing, very, very important issue.
mimi geerges
Here's Dana, Ohio Independent Line.
You're on with Congressman Michael Baumgartner.
unidentified
Hello, Ms. Congressman.
Can I get an answer?
james knox
Why can't you do your shuts downs, you should do a thing where SNAP is included payments?
unidentified
And I think that's very important.
Okay.
mimi geerges
Congressman, as far as shutdowns and SNAP payments, can those be assured in another government shutdown that people would get their food aid?
michael baumgartner
Yeah, you know, there's a discussion from Republican Congressman, Republican Senator Ron Johnson, that essentially Congress should pass a law that if a new spending bill is not approved, a new budget, it should just stay at the current budget levels so that America would not be held hostage by these potential shutdowns.
That would essentially put all spending on autopilot unless there are active changes by Congress.
And I think that's something to look at.
Certainly the Democrats hurt a lot of people relying on SNAP with their government shutdown.
Now it was unsuccessful as it should have been because the American people should not be symbolically held hostage with things like not being able to travel by air or not get the SNAP benefits, the military not getting paid.
You know, I was one of those that voluntarily didn't take my paycheck during the shutdown because I felt if the American people were being punished by the Democrat shutdown, that I should have some skin of the game as well too.
But yeah, there's a lot of people hurt by SNAP and we may need to look at this bill to keep the government open if there's not a budget deal.
mimi geerges
Harold in Kansas, Republican.
Hello, Harold.
unidentified
Hi, how are you doing today?
The Ohio person kind of stole my thunder there a little bit.
It seems like all I hear about is Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.
We're going to have another shutdown here in January if we're not careful.
Why isn't that the number one thing that people are talking about?
And I appreciate this guy holding back his check while everybody else didn't get one.
I think he should talk to his constituents, people that he works with in Congress, in the House, and all that.
They should do the same thing.
It should be mandatory.
I appreciate your time.
michael baumgartner
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, you're right.
The short-term budget deal, the continuing spending resolution that we passed.
So in general, Congress typically attempts to pass 12 budgets that form into the overall budget.
We as House Republicans have passed those 12 budgets out of committee.
And with the last shutdown deal, we got three budgets out of the Senate.
And all budgets aren't equal.
So we actually got a lot of the way there to doing the total budget.
We need to continue to work.
I was pleased just this week, both Republican and Democrat budget leads met together in the same room to say, you know, how's it going to be, folks?
Are we going to do this again in January or are we going to do what's right for the people?
Just, you know, we have to remember with the shutdown, Republicans control the House, and in the House, you only need a narrow majority, so simple majority, just 50 plus 1% to pass something.
We did that as Republicans in the House.
In the Senate, because of the filibuster, there's 100 members of the Senate, there's only 53 Republicans, but you need 60 votes to get a budget out of the Senate.
So the Democrats do have a say.
And you know what happened in the last shutdown is the Democrats decided not to participate until 45 days in.
And so hopefully, as we get into January, those same Democrats that decided finally to keep the government open in the Senate will do the same thing and we won't put the American people through this again.
But I totally agree with you on the paycheck issue.
mimi geerges
And Congressman, we were just talking in the last segment about the buying and selling of stocks by lawmakers.
If that came to the floor, would you vote in favor of barring lawmakers like yourself from buying or selling individual stocks?
michael baumgartner
Yes, I absolutely would.
I think I actually am sponsoring that bill, or I'm going to sponsor that bill.
I don't buy individual stocks myself.
You know, I buy total market mutual funds and then just put our retirement savings there and then go again.
You know, my wife and I, we actually met in Afghanistan of all places.
My wife was born in Britain and came to America.
We have five little kids.
Oldest is an eighth grader, our youngest is a kindergartner.
So it's a rambunctious home.
But look, so we have all the same challenges normal Americans have.
How are we going to pay for college?
You know, what's our health care situation?
What are we going to do in retirement?
And I just think the perception that members of Congress could get rich on these positions just builds a lot of distrust with the American people.
And, you know, if members of Congress should just put their money, if they want to be in the stock market, as I am, it should just be into a total market mutual fund so that there's no perception or incentive to buy an individual stock on inside information.
And I think everybody knows Nancy Pelosi got very rich while she was in Congress and it did a lot of damage to the perception of Congress, the American people.
So we don't need more Nancy Pelosi get-rich stock schemes.
What we should just have is people behaving like everyday Americans if they do have the privilege of being in Congress.
mimi geerges
Here's Debbie Williamsburg, Ohio Independent Line.
Good morning, Debbie.
unidentified
Good morning.
I'm glad I got to talk to someone in Congress.
I don't understand.
I'm 72 years old.
We used to have regulations against monopolies and all these things that we edified our laws and stuff so that we were more of a civil country.
And now, since Trump's in office, and it's not just Trump, it's all of Congress.
They are letting him destroy and use the government.
Where is our oversight committee and our judicial committee and our ethics committee?
Why are they who is responsible to police the government when our laws and stuff were being abused and our people were being abused?
And isn't that the whole purpose of us voting for people to get into Congress?
I mean, in my day, we would have been out protesting and asking for an impeachment.
And it's not just him.
The DOJ and the FBI.
It's getting to be a real joke, but it's hurting the people of this country.
And we need to get this stopped.
michael baumgartner
Well, I would agree with you that there's a lot of concern if there's a weaponization of government against political enemies.
You know, unfortunately, where we might disagree is I really think that was exacerbated starting in the Obama administration with Eric Holder and then really went on steroids with what the Biden administration did to their political enemies going after President Trump for fairly frivolous things like not being truthful on his bank account value of his properties when the bank wanted to freely lend money to him.
That was an absurd abuse of justice for a political attack.
And so, you know, lawfare is wrong.
Neither side should attempt to use the government to attack their political enemies.
And I think you'll be pleased to know, you know, if every American that wants the situation to be better, that we in the Judiciary Committee, you know, are going to look into in an oversight committee what the Biden Justice Administration did in phone tapping members of Congress, the Senate, and the House, which I think was an outrageous thing to do.
I was not in Congress at the time, but the fact that it may have been that the Biden administration was spying on members of Congress to find out, potentially use political dirt, that's very concerning.
We cannot have America become a banana republic.
We are the beacon of the world, the shiny city on the hill.
America, we have this tremendous republic that we live in, this beautiful democracy, and we need to make sure that the rights of everyone are respected, and particularly the political minorities as well, too, because this thing is not set on autopilot to protect this republic.
We all need to do our part to make sure that it behaves appropriately, and hopefully we'll do some good work there on the Judiciary and Oversight Committees.
mimi geerges
On the Republican line in San Diego, California, CT, you're on with Congressman Baum Gartner.
unidentified
Good morning, and God bless you all.
I want to first say that you have a congressional directory, and I wish that you would advertise the telephone number for people to call in and order that book.
I'm getting mine at the end of this month.
I'm a one-check-a-month person.
That they can call in and then leave messages for their congressional representative and other departments.
Please, I don't see that directory being promoted often enough.
Please put that on.
My second statement is for the good morning, sir.
I'm also calling to say that I am very concerned about the weakness of the Republican Party in this last election.
I haven't seen or heard or felt that the Republican Party is making an aggressive, forlorn effort to have other Republicans elected into office.
I really haven't seen strength come out of the Republican Party when it comes to election.
And now we have a major midterm.
We have a whole slew of various mayors coming up with ideologies that are not American attuned.
Please, sir, please, when you go back and speak to the other Republicans, do something with the Republican Party to get them motivated.
Thank you very much, and God bless you.
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.
michael baumgartner
Hey, thank you for the great call.
Yeah, you know, first off, you are right.
Members of the public should be encouraged to contact their members of Congress.
That's how we learn about your issues and your concerns and how we respond.
I mean, ultimately, we work for you guys, and this body reflects the American people.
And I totally agree with you on the need for Republicans to show up and be invigorated at the polls.
You know, we had, even though Republicans in Congress and working with the president just passed the largest tax reduction in American history, the most pro-growth series of job reforms, and there's been tremendous wins for the country and the world and issues like disarming Iran and their terrible nuclear arsenal.
There's been so many good things going on, but unfortunately we had too many Republicans take things for granted and be a little lazy on Election Day, getting the polls to vote.
And it's going to be our job as Republican leaders to try to light a fire under folks and get them out to vote.
Unfortunately, the Democrat shutdown was a very cynical play.
They knew Republicans had a lot of momentum and that by shutting down the government, they could change the conversation from all these successes that we were having for the country to build distrust and unease.
And you're certainly seeing this with some of the protests like the No Kings protest, so-called No Kings protest as well, that it confuses and builds a sense of unease amongst the American people.
But it is effective for firing up the Democrat base to go out and vote.
And Republican leaders, we have that challenge to do it for our folks as well, too.
Ultimately, it's good policy that makes good politics.
And if we continue to do the right thing for working class American people and Republicans continue the right thing to make the country more affordable, you know, I think we'll see the election results as well.
mimi geerges
Here's Gary in Moorfield, West Virginia.
Democrat, Gary, you're on the air.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
I heard you say that you were in favor of selling our F-35 to the Saudis.
What do you want to do?
Just give away all of our technology to the Chinese and to the Russians?
Because that's where it's going to end up.
I don't know why you trust those guys.
I didn't trust them when we were in Afghanistan.
And if you were there, you should know better.
And that's what I've been hearing.
And I just can't understand why you would want to give away technology.
mimi geerges
All right.
Your concern, Congressman, on the sharing of American technology with the Chinese.
michael baumgartner
So we do not want to share technology with the Chinese.
What we do want to do is build alliances to protect ourselves from Chinese and Russian aggression.
And what we do when we sell American military equipment is that, first off, we create jobs and economic growth here at home in important manufacturing entities.
And I don't want my kids, you know, I certainly would encourage my children to join the military, but I also want them not fighting in reckless wars where America is trying to be the world's policeman and doing dumb things overseas.
One of the things that happens when we sell our military equipment is our military becomes more integrated with the foreign militaries, and that allows us to have alliances and options to do things.
So it actually makes us safer to sell military equipment and build those alliances and partnerships.
You know, it is a big, dangerous world out there.
America cannot be the world's policeman.
So, you know, we need people to help us, and we certainly want to do everything we can to make sure that Russia and China are not in a more strategically strong position and threaten our safety here at home.
mimi geerges
And, Congressman, as you know, Saudi Arabia had been holding joint military exercises with the Chinese, which would give them access to that technology.
Would you have an issue with that going forward?
michael baumgartner
Yeah, of course.
I mean, that goes without saying that certainly that the way that the, I mean, we have currently sell American jets to the Saudis, F-14s and F-16s, and when we do that, we need to have systems in place so that technology is not shared with China.
But ultimately, if America is not building these alliances, then China is going to build these alliances.
You know, Saudi Arabia has a lot of money.
They're not just going to accept not having fighter jets.
So do we want them to have American fighter jets and be on our side?
Or do we want them to have Chinese fighter jets and be on the Chinese side?
Because Saudi Arabia has other issues like threats from Iran and Islamic terrorism that they're dealing with.
So we have to think strategically about how we're doing these things.
mimi geerges
Let's talk to Mark in Middletown, Ohio.
Republican, go ahead, Mark.
unidentified
Hi, Megan.
I was wanting to know about the WIC program and about fraud and about how people may want to sign up for it, and then they may have the money, but they may probably spend the money on maybe extra technology they don't need or extra clothes they may not need instead of the food that they do want.
And then trying to figure out how to get people prioritized their life to where they can get food without needing the government's assistance.
michael baumgartner
All right.
Great question.
You know, we are nearly $38 trillion in debt.
That's a number that's so big it's hard to even comprehend.
But you know, America, right now, the federal government is spending every year is spending 20% more money than we actually have.
And so, if you had a family member that was already in debt, already in a hole, you wouldn't tell them to keep running the credit card 20% more than they have every year.
And essentially, that's what we do in America.
And we're essentially asking our kids and our grandchildren to pay that money back.
And so, we do need stricter checks on who is abusing WIC, certainly in other food and health care programs.
What Republicans did in the one big beautiful bill, what's also called the Working Families Tax Act, was to put in checks and reforms that first get non-American citizens, illegal immigrants, off those programs because Americans do not want their tax dollars going deeper into us going deeper into debt to incentivize people to come here illegally.
And secondly, we put in some very reasonable reforms that said, if you're capable of working, that you need to work if you want to get public benefits.
And it's very similar to what Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich hammered out a deal to do in bipartisan fashion back in the 90s.
And I think Americans know that there are people that are abusing these federal programs, and it's just not right.
Americans are very, very compassionate to help the truly most needy, but we don't want to be taken advantage of and we don't want people cheating the system.
And, you know, I think that's what you're speaking to.
So we got to continue to work on those issues.
mimi geerges
All right, that's Representative Michael Baumgartner, a Republican of Washington State.
Thanks so much for joining us today.
michael baumgartner
Thank you so much.
I really enjoyed it.
Hopefully I can come back on soon.
unidentified
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mimi geerges
To talk about the congressional stock trading, this is Dave Leventhal, investigative journalist.
He's also a contributing editor at Notice.
Dave, welcome to the program.
unidentified
Great to be with you.
mimi geerges
All right, so the Stock Act.
unidentified
Following order: passage of H.R. 3109 and passage of H.R. 1949.
mike lawler
The first electronic vote will be conducted as a 15-minute vote.
unidentified
Pursuant to clause 9 of Rule 20, remaining electronic votes will be conducted as five-minute votes.
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