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| Joining us now to discuss his new reporting on White House Budget Director Russ Vogt and his role in advancing the Trump agenda is Andy Kroll, an investigative reporter for ProPublica. | ||
| Andy, welcome back to the program. | ||
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Great to be here. | |
| Showing our audience the headline. | ||
| It says, this shadow president. | ||
| Explain what you mean when you use this name for Russ Vote. | ||
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It's a name, in all honesty, that drew out of the reporting that I did for this story over a span of about five months. | |
| Spoke to dozens of people, including a lot of government insiders. | ||
| And to be completely honest, it was people who work in the federal government, especially people who work at different agencies that have interacted with Russ Vogt at the Office of Management and Budget or his colleagues at the Office of Management and Budget, | ||
| who said to me that this one person, Mr. Vogt, has exerted such amount of influence across the federal government in the nine months of this administration that there are times where it feels like he is the commander-in-chief even more than Donald Trump is the commander-in-chief. | ||
| How would you describe his views of executive power and the role of the federal government? | ||
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Russ Vogt wants the president to wield a disproportionate amount of power, as much power as perhaps we have seen in the modern American era, in a way that just has not been the case before. | |
| And we can go through a few examples of what that would look like. | ||
| He believes that the president, for instance, has the power to freeze funding that Congress has already appropriated by law if it doesn't comport with the president's agenda, if it runs afoul of some kind of ideological test, you know, that it's too quote-unquote woke, for instance. | ||
| He also believes that the president should play a far greater role dictating what independent or traditionally independent agencies like the Justice Department or the Federal Reserve should be doing on a day-to-day basis. | ||
| And then I think he believes the president has, and he said that the president should have the power to say, invoke the Insurrection Act, use the military to go into American cities or go to the American border, the U.S.-Mexican border, and carry out operations there. | ||
| Again, in a way that presidents traditionally do not do for a variety of reasons and to try to avoid things that have happened in our past. | ||
| But these are all sort of key tenets of, I think, a very expansive view of executive power that Russ Vote holds. | ||
| President Trump referred to Russ Vogt earlier this week as Darth Vader. | ||
| We want to play this clip and then we'll talk about it on the other side. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We'll say this, that we have Darth Vader. | ||
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You know Darth Vader, right? | |
| Darth Vader is a man who I think is sitting right. | ||
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Is that Darth? | |
| Stand up, please, Darth Vader. | ||
| Stand up. | ||
| Does everybody know this is, they call him Darth Vader. | ||
| I call him a fine man, but he's cutting Democrat priorities and they're never going to get him back. | ||
| And they've caused us, and they've really allowed us to do it. | ||
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And by the way, thank you. | |
| You're doing a great job, I have to tell you. | ||
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So really a great job. | |
| In your story, you describe Russ Vogt as, quote, bookish, a bookish technocrat, an unusual figure in Trump's inner circle of Fox News hosts and right-wing influencers. | ||
| Explain how he met President Trump and how he became part of his inner circle. | ||
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Yeah, you have to go back here to the 2015-2016 period. | |
| Russ Vogt worked then for an organization called Heritage Action. | ||
| It was an outside activist group. | ||
| It was really focused on trying to pressure Republicans to be more conservative. | ||
| This outsider candidate in Donald Trump comes along. | ||
| We all remember the Golden Escalator and all that in 2015 and then the 2016 campaign. | ||
| But Donald Trump captures this populist wave in 2016. | ||
| He dispatches the Republican field and he chooses as his vice presidential nominee Mike Pence, who is a very close friend, boss, and mentor to Russ Vogt. | ||
| When Trump wins, shocks the world. | ||
| He needs to fill his administration and he, and Mike Pence really turned to Russ Vogt to go and work at this agency, the Office of Management and Budget, which is little known, kind of obscure, really wonky, but to people who know it and understand it, it's one of the most powerful jobs in Washington. | ||
| And Russ Vogt had been around Washington long enough at that point to know how powerful it was. | ||
| And really, it was his dream job, which kind of tells you everything you need to know about what he thinks, how he thinks, and his understanding of Washington. | ||
| Andy Kroll, an investigative reporter for ProPublica, is our guest. | ||
| We are discussing his recent reporting on White House Budget Director Russ Vogt and his role in the Trump administration. | ||
| If you have a question or comment for him, you can start giving us a call now. | ||
| The lines, Republicans, 202-748-8001. | ||
| Democrats 202-748-8000. | ||
| And Independents 202-748-8002. | ||
| Andy, this actually isn't the first time that Vogt has been part of the Trump administration. | ||
| He worked also was in the first administration. | ||
| Explain what the Office of OMB does on a day-to-day basis. | ||
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The key thing that the OMB does is that it is basically this go-between or this middleman between when Congress appropriates money to fund the workings of the federal government and that money actually going to, say, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the EPA, and on and on and on. | |
| It is a place that, like I think I've described it before, as like a loving parent, it allots the money that Congress appropriates to the executive branches, but does it in a way to make sure that these agencies aren't spending their allowance too quickly. | ||
| You know, don't spend it all at once, and so we're going to apportion it out. | ||
| But really, it's not a place traditionally to hold that money, to take that hose and put a kink in it. | ||
| It's really a place just to parcel it out and make sure that agencies are being responsible. | ||
| But it is a choke point in this administration in a way that it hasn't been before. | ||
| But there's no other really spot in the federal government where you could do this. | ||
| And so what Russ Vote has done with this office now is he has, again, used it as a place to freeze money, to halt programs, and say, we're reviewing this program, or we're just flat out freezing this money because the president doesn't agree with it. | ||
| OMB doesn't really traditionally do that, but it kind of always had the power to, and Russ Vote has exercised that power in a very aggressive way in this second Trump administration. | ||
| Harold is calling from Melbourne, Florida, on the line for Democrats. | ||
| Good morning, Harold. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Andy, I just wanted to ask you, why is it that the Office of Budget and all the government agencies encourage these agencies to spend all their budgeted money every year in a use it or lose it formula? | ||
| In other words, at the end of the year, if they have money left over in their budget, if they don't spend it on a big Christmas party or oak desk or something like that, the next year they're punished by having their budgets cut, | ||
| why don't they provide an incentive for saving the money if they don't need it, and much like corporations do, and give some sort of a partial bonus to the workers in the office that were able to work efficiently and manage the money more judiciously. | ||
| Harold, that's a good question. | ||
| And you honestly sound like someone who's steeped in this stuff in a really impressive way. | ||
| I think there are a couple of things going on. | ||
| There are situations, as you rightly point out, where agencies are basically rushing to spend money in that last month or two before the fiscal year ends because they want to show that they need the money and that the money that was appropriated to them, they're actually putting to good use. | ||
| There are instances, obviously, where there's multi-year funding and the money is spread across a couple of years. | ||
| Sometimes there's no year funding where it doesn't have an expiration date. | ||
| But the thing I would say is, having talked to a bunch of people inside these agencies, what I often hear is that they, you know, sometimes a program will come in under budget. | ||
| Sometimes a program will come in over budget. | ||
| And they want the flexibility to be able to say, you know, this really important essential thing that Congress appropriated to us, we need to spend down before the year is over. | ||
| This other thing came in under budget, but like leave us the flexibility to do that. | ||
| All that being said, now, there are absolutely ways to save money with these agencies not rushing to spend money at the end. | ||
| And there could be ways for Congress to look at how they could better try to capture some of that money at the end of the year if, again, we're talking about trying to tackle issues like the debt and the deficit. | ||
| President Trump obviously likes Russ Vote. | ||
| We heard that clip earlier. | ||
| Melody in Pratt, Kansas sent us this question. | ||
| Mr. Kroll, how is Vogt viewed by other Republicans on the Hill or within the administration? | ||
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Good question. | |
| Very differently between the administration and the Hill. | ||
| I think in the administration, he is seen as one of the one or two most influential AIDS advisors to Donald Trump in this administration, to President Trump. | ||
| He is seen as the go-to sort of expert leader strategist on all things budget agencies. | ||
| Right now, the shutdown is very much in a leadership role there. | ||
| So in the administration, he's looked up to, revered, respected. | ||
| The Hill is a very different situation, and that applies to Hill Democrats and Republicans. | ||
| Members of Congress don't want to see the executive branch trampling on their core responsibilities, and there's nothing more core, Article I constitutional role for Congress than the power of the purse. | ||
| So there's a lot of frustration, a lot of animus on Capitol Hill that this leader in the executive branch is, again, sort of trampling on their power through empoundment, these funding freezes, through this idea of a pocket rescission, temporarily freezing money at the end of the fiscal year so that it just kind of goes away after a certain period of time. | ||
| So very different stories depending on what end of Pennsylvania Avenue we're talking about. | ||
| John is calling from California, line for independence. | ||
| Good morning, John. | ||
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Good morning, America, and thank you, Mr. Kroll, for taking my call. | |
| How long has Russ Volt been involved in Project 2025? | ||
| And did Donald Trump was aware of Russ Vote or know Russ Volt during his first tent as president? | ||
| He said that Russ Vote wants to expand the role of the executive to the minister, the legislative and judicial branches. | ||
| So my question is, in your opinion, did Trump tell us the truth, yes or no, that he was not aware of Project 2025 in his most recent role as president? | ||
| Go ahead, sir. | ||
| Yeah, good questions, John. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Russ Vote was an instrumental figure in Project 2025. | ||
| He wrote one of the most important chapters about the executive office of the president laying out this aggressive view for what you might call a unitary executive theory or the unitary executive powers. | ||
| Two fellows at his think tank wrote other chapters, key chapters on immigration and trade. | ||
| And then even more crucially, Russ Vote, as we report in the story, led the transition portion where he basically, he and his colleagues helped write some 350 executive orders, regulations, and other kind of legal memos, authorities, so that when President Trump or when Donald Trump got reelected, if he got re-elected, there would not be the chaos and confusion of the first term. | ||
| The moment Trump got into office, these executive orders, regulations, and other documents would be ready for him. | ||
| I don't think it withstands scrutiny to say that Donald Trump didn't know what Project 2025 was. | ||
| He spoke frequently with Russ Vogt during the 2021 to 2024 period, including the period that had Project 2025 in the works. | ||
| He was well aware of what Russ Vote was doing. | ||
| And even more recently, during the shutdown, Donald Trump put a post on Truth Social where he said, I'm going to be meeting with Russ Vogt, quote-unquote, he of Project 2025 fame, to discuss which quote-unquote Democrat agencies were going to cut in the shutdown. | ||
| So I think that probably tells you, John, everything that you need to know about Trump and Vogt and Project 2025. | ||
| Mike is calling from North Carolina, line for Republicans. | ||
| Hi, Mike. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Thanks for taking my call. | ||
| Do you think America understands just how dangerous this $38 trillion of debt that the country has is and what a national security risk it is? | ||
| Calvin Coolidge was a big advocate for the federal government only taking in or costing 8% of GDP. | ||
| We're three to four times that right now. | ||
| And a lot of that debt is held by China. | ||
| And to fix this is not going to be a painless situation. | ||
| So the question I have is, do you think America's ready to take on the medicine that it takes? | ||
| In which case, then, God bless Russ Volt. | ||
| Yeah, good question, Mike. | ||
| I don't think based on all of the reporting, the conversations I have traveling around the country that people fully grasp the seriousness and the risks of $38 trillion in debt and climbing. | ||
| I don't think that the impacts of that debt are being felt in the way that they could in, say, financial markets or in, say, economic growth. | ||
| Is the American people, are the American people ready to take the medicine for this to deal with this? | ||
| It doesn't really seem like it, because if we look at what it will take to actually put a dent in reducing that debt, much of which, as you rightly point out, held overseas, you have to look at programs like Social Security and Medicare, which are huge drivers, health care programs, huge drivers of the federal debt. | ||
| You're not going to really tackle the debt problem cutting clean energy programs that cost a few billion dollars here and there. | ||
| Obviously, everything counts. | ||
| Russ Vote would tell you that. | ||
| But the real drivers, if you look at the work, say, of the Peterson Institute, are coming from healthcare, are coming from these so-called entitlement programs. | ||
| You either have to tackle those or you have to raise taxes and bring in more revenue, and that doesn't seem like something the American people want right now either. | ||
| Gary is calling from Baltimore, Lineford Democrats. | ||
| Hi, Gary. | ||
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Hi, thanks for taking my call. | |
| A lot of people don't know what's going on. | ||
| Could you please talk about the fact that he's a Christian nationalist and the Seven Mountain Mandate and his connection to that and the relationship between those two things and this NSPM-7 that no one's talking about? | ||
| This is important stuff. | ||
| People are oblivious. | ||
| Thanks for taking my call. | ||
| Thanks, Gary. | ||
| I can tackle a few of those. | ||
| As we report in the story, Russ Vote is very clear about the fact that he identifies as a Christian nationalist. | ||
| He says in the story, I'm a Christian, I'm a nationalist. | ||
| The term is too accurate to run away from. | ||
| To hear him describe it, what that means is that the country, in his view, is founded on a Judeo-Christian worldview, and that if the country moves away from that Judeo-Christian worldview influencing or informing policy, politics, culture, education, and so on, that we're losing a sort of inherent American-ness to what this country is, what it means, what it stands for. | ||
| That obviously is a very contested view, but it is something that he believes and that he's open about. | ||
| I don't know of any connection between him and the Seven Mountains mandate I've written about, reported on the Seven Mountains mandate. | ||
| That's obviously sort of a different theory of the case, theory of change about how you try to shift the course of American culture. | ||
| I think what the believers of the mandate and what Russ Vote believe is that there is a sort of existential crisis, again, in their view, in the country right now, that merits this sort of aggressive policies and rhetoric that they use, that they believe they need to deploy to save the country. | ||
| You talked with a lot of people about Russ Vote for the story on Russ Vote. | ||
| Did you try to talk with the man himself? | ||
| And the story has been out now for just a little over a week. | ||
| Have you gotten any reaction or response from him? | ||
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Sadly, no to all of those, but not for a lack of trying. | |
| I think I first reached out to Vogt and his team in May, had conversations then, had conversations over the summer, had conversations again in the fall right before the story was coming out. | ||
| At ProPublica, we have this little mantra. | ||
| We call it no surprises journalism. | ||
| When we are preparing to publish a story, we send them a very long list, basically everything that we report and say, tell us where we're wrong. | ||
| Tell us what's missing context. | ||
| Tell us where you'd like to add comment. | ||
| We did that whole process with them. | ||
| There was some modest amount of participation. | ||
| The reaction since this story, I haven't heard anything from him. | ||
| He's doing events where he's being called Darth Vader because he's too busy. | ||
| But we have heard a lot of reaction from people in the government, people who are happy that this person, who, again, is so influential, but maybe is like the most important person you might not have heard of in the Trump administration, is getting a little more scrutiny. | ||
| And the things that he says, the things that he wants to do, we lean really heavily on his own words in this story, are getting a little more, again, sort of a little more sunlight right now. | ||
| John is calling from New York, Line for Independence. | ||
| Good morning, John. | ||
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Yeah, thanks for taking the call. | |
| I'm listening to this gentleman here. | ||
| He works for ProPublica. | ||
| Now I can make a note of this publication. | ||
| And he says he's an investigative journalist. | ||
| He's running on speculation. | ||
| He has nobody challenging his findings. | ||
| And he spent his entire, what, how many years did he put into this investigating Donald Trump? | ||
| Obviously hates Donald Trump. | ||
| He's a far left. | ||
| He's being paid by somebody to come up with all this nonsense. | ||
| And if he was a real journalist, he would sit across the table with somebody that would challenge his speculations that he's coming out with. | ||
| And I'll tell you what, why would Washington Journal put this guy on here that's such a I mean, I can't believe I'm an independent. | ||
| I like to hear Republicans' comments, Democrats' comments, but this guy is, this guy's been paid well so much. | ||
| He's not going to be able to do it. | ||
| John, we'll get a response from Andy. | ||
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John, yeah, thanks for the comment. | |
| I would just say read the story. | ||
| Or there's a mini documentary video we published on YouTube. | ||
| I think what you'll find is, one, most of what we report in the story are things that Mr. Vogt himself has said. | ||
| In some cases, you can hear his own voice talking about what he believes, what he wants to do, why it matters, why it's important, especially in the documentary. | ||
| You can find it on YouTube called The Shadow President. | ||
| I think that says as much. | ||
| You're not getting the commentary from me. | ||
| There's no commentary in the story. | ||
| You can hear him talking about it himself, and you can reach your own judgment from that. | ||
| And again, just to repeat, we tried to interview him, try to talk to his people in his office, gave him a bunch of chances to comment on everything that we reported. | ||
| So that's just us doing our job. | ||
| The caller also saying that somebody is paying you. | ||
| You obviously get paid for your work. | ||
| It's your job. | ||
| But ProPublica itself, explain how your organization's funded. | ||
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Yeah, we're funded. | |
| We're a 501c3 nonprofit. | ||
| We are not corporate media. | ||
| We don't have a profit motive driving our work. | ||
| We're a nonprofit, and we get funded by foundations that support journalism across the country. | ||
| And we get supported in a kind of NPR, public radio style way by small dollar donors who support our work. | ||
| You know, they give a monthly contribution. | ||
| So, you know, it's a populist model in a lot of ways where people who care about the work want to see us do more of it, chip in 20 bucks a month to help us continue do what we're doing. | ||
| Ron is calling from Nashville, Tennessee, line for Republicans. | ||
| Good morning, Ron. | ||
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Well, good morning. | |
| Thanks for taking my call. | ||
| I wanted to echo a couple of previous calls, a gentleman from North Carolina and then also this past caller who, you know, I saw investigative reporter and I really expected to hear some more details when the caller asked about the expenditures at the end of the fiscal year. | ||
| I've read stories about the absolute insanity of spending that goes on in Washington in the month of August and September. | ||
| That they're overnight. | ||
| They work 24 hours a day trying to get everything purchased so they don't lose their budget dollars for the next year. | ||
| I visited Washington, D.C. myself and went into the underground tunnels from the Congressional Office buildings over to the Capitol and saw literally thousands and thousands of computers and monitors one year in the month of October because they had been on their previous spending spree in September. | ||
| I also heard this, that in the military, they fax orders out to Hawaii, which will be the last state getting under the midnight deadline of September 30th, that orders are being faxed from the East Coast to the West Coast and then out to Hawaii so they can spend every last dollar that they're allotted. | ||
| And I just would like to have seen an answer that indicated that our government is absolutely unbridled with their spending. | ||
| You know, I would say that government spending is obviously an issue that Rust Folk cares a lot about and is an issue that clearly is contributing to the $38 trillion in federal debt that the previous caller, I think from North Carolina, mentioned as well. | ||
| You know, again, the key thing here, if you look at what goes into that federal debt, that $38 trillion, if that's what you're really concerned about, is healthcare, the entitlement programs, the aging population, buying computers, monitors, new equipment, you know, is there, I mean, to be honest, I've spent enough time in government buildings. | ||
| You'd be shocked at how antiquated a lot of the technology is in Washington, which is its own problem. | ||
| Rushing to buy a bunch of new stuff right before the fiscal year is probably not a responsible stewardship of taxpayer dollars. | ||
| But the question is, are you more concerned about that, or are you concerned about this kind of macro question around the debt and how sustainable that is or unsustainable that is? | ||
| And if you are concerned about the latter, then you've really got to sort of look at these major programs, which at this point both parties are loath to touch. | ||
| We have one more caller for you. | ||
| It's Jim in Sparks, Glencove, Maryland. | ||
| Line for Democrats. | ||
| Good morning, Jim. | ||
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Good morning, Tio, and thank you for taking my call. | |
| The first part that I have to ask is in regard to USAID. | ||
| What we saw was a de facto shuttering of the agency. | ||
| In other words, Russo and the president choked off all money by way of rescission. | ||
| And part of that was upheld by Congress voting under the Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974. | ||
| So Congress did approve part of that. | ||
| But then there was that pocket rescission that was the decannel or the credit current of the USAID. | ||
| And so my question is, first, in regards to USAID, is Article 2, Section 3 of the Constitution has a take-care clause that says the president and the executive branch inherit all law statutes and regulations that came before them. | ||
| They can go through the regular order, which would be to pass a bill in the House to reverse the USAID's undergirding statutes and laws, and then it would have to have a 60-vote threshold in the Senate, and then the President could sign it into law to do away with USAID. | ||
| They did not do that. | ||
| They de facto shuttered it by just choking off all the money. | ||
| And so my question to you would be, is Russ Vote open to an impeachable offense if the Democrats took the House in 26 because he's violated the take care clause of Article 2, Section 3. | ||
| So that's my first question. | ||
| Do I have time to ask one other very quick question? | ||
| Because it has to do with something you said. | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| Okay, part two would be this. | ||
| You'd spoken directly to responsible stewardship of federal dollars. | ||
| I'm a farload federal employee, and I work in a division where part of my responsibilities are dealing with the OIG and also the GAO. | ||
| So that's in my wheelhouse of responsibility. | ||
| I'm currently not at work. | ||
| So when the cuts have been made through the OMB, how were they informed? | ||
| In other words, did Russ Vote look at GAO and can he cite OIG reports? | ||
| My understanding is the Defense Department never passed a GAO audit. | ||
| Or instead, were Russ Vote's decisions whom or what agencies, what departments were going to have money rescinded, impounded, deferred, diverted, was that decision informed by grievances of the presidency? | ||
| Okay, Jim, we need to get a response. | ||
| Mandy, we're short on time. | ||
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Yeah, Jim, I'll move quickly. | |
| So to your first point about impeachable offenses, impoundment, pocket rescues, I'll just remember the first Trump administration, the freezing of Ukraine's security funds at the same time the president was pressuring the leader of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, to investigate Joe Biden, did lead to the first Trump impeachment in 2019. | ||
| Russ Vote was named in one of the articles for not complying with that investigation. | ||
| I think if Democrats, especially in the House, would take the majority, I would not be surprised, though this is speculation, if they pursued some really aggressive oversight of what Rust Vote has done. | ||
| And then the second question, in terms of OIGs and GAO, I think what's important here is that based on my reporting, a lot of the decisions coming out of OMB are being made at the very top by a group of political appointees. | ||
| Rust Vote is the top of that. | ||
| At the same time, Rust Vote has said he doesn't think GAO, really the kind of only independent watchdog in the legislative branch, should exist. | ||
| He has said that openly. | ||
| And so there is a direct attempt to try to undermine the role of watchdogs and oversight as it relates to these impoundments, pocket rescissions, and other budgetary maneuvers. | ||
| I think that we are potentially headed for some kind of court battle or some other conflict there over whether those watchdogs will be allowed to do their job. | ||
| Andy Kroll is an investigative reporter for ProPublica, his most recent reporting, The Shadow President. | ||
| You can find that online at ProPublica.org. | ||
| Andy, thank you so much for being with us today. | ||
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It's always a pleasure. | |
| Thanks. | ||
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Watch America's Book Club with Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Sunday at 6 p.m. and 9 p.m. Eastern and Pacific, only on C-SPAN. | |
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| From the Brookings Institution, we'll have live coverage at 10 a.m. Monday on C-SPAN, C-SPAN Now, our Free Mobile app, and online at c-SPAN.org. |