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| New developments in the truce talks between Israel and Hamas. | ||
| President Trump writing on Truth Social. | ||
| I'm very proud to announce that Israel and Hamas have both signed off on the first phase of our peace plan. | ||
| This means that all of the hostages will be released very soon and Israel will withdraw their troops to an agreed-upon line as the first steps toward a strong, durable, and everlasting peace. | ||
| All parties will be treated fairly. | ||
| This is a great day for the Arab and Muslim world, Israel, all surrounding nations, and the United States of America. | ||
| And we thank the mediators from Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey who worked with us to make this historic and unprecedented event happen. | ||
| Blessed are the peacemakers. | ||
| We'll bring you more developments as they break here on C-SPAN. | ||
| Amid a busy week on the Justice Department beat, we turn now to Sadie Gurman, who covers the DOJ for the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| Sadie German, former FBI Director James Comey said to be arraigned today just across the Potomac River in an Alexandria, Virginia federal courthouse. | ||
| Remind us what happens at an arraignment and what the charges are that he's facing. | ||
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Well, normally this is a pretty perfunctory thing. | |
| A defendant walks into a courtroom and has read the charges, but in this case, from what I'm being told, the courthouse is already mobbed with reporters. | ||
| There were lines to get in. | ||
| And so basically, he'll just make a very brief appearance and acknowledge that he understands what the government's bringing against him. | ||
| And does he get to make a plea at this point? | ||
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He could, yes, he could. | |
| Are we expected to hear from him outside the courthouse? | ||
| Is he expected to take questions from reporters? | ||
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Now, that I don't know. | |
| Seems like the kind of thing he might want to do, but I'm just not sure. | ||
| When it comes to the charges against him, your story in the Wall Street Journal, Donald Trump overcame internal dissent to get his case against James Comey. | ||
| Explain the background here. | ||
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Well, this story sort of talks about how these charges came over the objections of many career prosecutors and also President Trump's handpicked prosecutor, who he actually ousted and installed and installed his own personal lawyer in his place. | |
| And she was ultimately able to obtain the indictment, but she did this all by herself. | ||
| And this story sort of talks about how, you know, even advisors were telling him this is not a good case. | ||
| You know, the prosecutor has some doubts about it. | ||
| Pam Bondi and her deputy Todd Blanche were telling him, you know, that this might not work out the way you want it to. | ||
| And he just didn't, he said, I don't care. | ||
| Lindsay Halley, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, is she going to be in the courthouse today? | ||
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She very well could be. | |
| From what I understand, she has brought in prosecutors from North Carolina. | ||
| That's outside the district. | ||
| That's unusual. | ||
| And it's a signal that maybe people inside the office didn't want to be part of this case. | ||
| How big is the spotlight going to be on her? | ||
| And what's her background? | ||
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I think it'll be very big. | |
| She is a former insurance lawyer. | ||
| This is the first case that she's ever prosecuted. | ||
| That was the first time she's ever presented anything before a grand jury, but she represented Donald Trump in the Mar-a-Lago case, and she's been really by his side ever since then. | ||
| If she prosecutes this case and gets a guilty verdict, what sort of punishment could James Comey face for the charges that he's facing? | ||
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These charges come with some serious prison time, potentially, if he is found guilty. | |
| So I think it's up to like 10 years in prison for lying to Congress. | ||
| So it's a pretty serious charge. | ||
| James Comey being arraigned today in an Alexandria courtroom, just one of several stories happening on the Justice Beat. | ||
| Yesterday was Pam Bondi, the Attorney General on Capitol Hill. | ||
| What did you make of her testimony? | ||
| What stood out most for you? | ||
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It was very combative. | |
| You know, even at some of the more, just even at some of Democrats' more simple questions, straightforward questions, she just came back with very personal attacks. | ||
| So actually, it felt like rather than answering even the most basic questions, she just was ready to go to combat with these people. | ||
| And it made for some fireworks, and it was interesting. | ||
| And it made for a TV moment as well on the Republican side of the aisle. | ||
| We showed the clip of Josh Hawley talking about the Biden-era phone tapping of Republican senators, what has come out from the FBI, Kash Patel, tweeting about that yesterday. | ||
| What do you know about that story? | ||
| How far are we into that investigation? | ||
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Well, it looks to be just beginning, but there's a declassified document that Senator Chuck Grassley made public that indicates that I think nine Republican senators had their phone records searched as part of Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation. | |
| This was basically just, you know, when a prosecutor is doing this kind of investigation, they can see who, you know, who you've called, and you can see sort of the metadata here. | ||
| And that is what happened in this case. | ||
| But it certainly gave Republicans a talking point. | ||
| That was one big talking point for Republicans. | ||
| For Democrats, one of their main lines of questioning was whether Pam Bondi had gotten political pressure from the White House to pursue political investigations, James Comey being one that they pointed to for that. | ||
| Here's part of the exchange yesterday from the Senate Judiciary Committee. | ||
| Then, how about the Truth Social post on September 20th, 2025, in which the president said we can't delay any longer, Pam, using your name, not bringing criminal charges, are killing our reputation, his words and credibility, and then goes on to tell you to prosecute a member of this committee, to prosecute the Attorney General of New York, and to prosecute James Comey. | ||
| Do you consider that a directive to the Justice Department? | ||
| Senator Klovichar, President Trump is the most transparent president in American history. | ||
| And I don't think he said anything that he hasn't said for years. | ||
| The Attorney General yesterday on Capitol Hill, how well do you think she did in batting away that line of questioning specifically on the political pressure side? | ||
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I mean, she didn't really talk about it at all, but she makes a good point in that, you know, this is not unusual to see Trump put this kind of pressure on his attorneys general. | |
| What's different this time is that it seems to be working. | ||
| Do you think Josh Hawley sort of turned the tables then by bringing up this investigation, the tapping of phone lines, saying, why aren't you outraged about political pressure by the Biden administration on Jack Smith's investigation? | ||
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Yes. | |
| You know, for Republicans, they see what all of this is, all of this as sort of a course correction after years in which members of their party were targeted, including Trump. | ||
| So, this is kind of tit for tat. | ||
| Taking your phone calls this morning, this segment of the Washington Journal, Sadie German is with us, Wall Street Journal Justice Department reporter. | ||
| Here's phone lines for you to call in: 202-748-8001 for Republicans. | ||
| Democrats, 202-748-8000, Independents, 202-748-8002. | ||
| And Jamie's up first out of Texas. | ||
| Democrat, good morning. | ||
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Yes, good morning. | |
| The name is Jaime. | ||
| Jaime, go ahead. | ||
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Yes, I'm calling because that subject on Jack Smith investigating, they call it spying on the GOP, certain amount of senators. | |
| I think it said eight, maybe. | ||
| And my takeaway from that is that Jack Smith is doing his job. | ||
| All he's doing is investigating what those GOP senators are looking like suspects, because at the beginning of the insurrection, maybe for a day or two, they were totally against the insurrection. | ||
| But then I guess Trump must have scared them. | ||
| And I don't know if he threatened them or, you know, they were afraid for their families. | ||
| And all of a sudden, they switched over to this is not an insurrection. | ||
| You know, it was a picnic. | ||
| And no, my take is that Jack Smith is doing his job, not weaponizing anything. | ||
| He was investigating what those GOP senators looked like. | ||
| They became suspects. | ||
| Jaime, do you think Pam Bondi is doing her job, not weaponizing anything? | ||
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Here, I think she's weaponizing everything because she's, I guess, Trump's lapdog. | |
| She'll do whatever he tells her to do because she wants to keep her job. | ||
| It's a nice paying job. | ||
| You know, the government is shut down, but they're getting paid. | ||
| And, you know, they're living high on the hog and getting good money. | ||
| And everybody else is suffering. | ||
| So they're trying. | ||
| I see Pam Bondi as, yes, weaponizing the government, just doing whatever Trump tells her to do. | ||
| And all a bunch of other officials are all on the same boat. | ||
| They're scared. | ||
| That's Jaime in Texas. | ||
| Sadie German. | ||
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Well, one thing I want to point out is that, you know, just the indication that the FBI may have looked at the phone records of these senators does not indicate that they're suspects or that they were under investigation personally. | |
| This was in the course of investigating Trump's efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss. | ||
| And, you know, he was obviously the only person charged in that case. | ||
| But looking at phone records of a sitting member of the United States Senate, and there is one House member as well on that list, highly unusual. | ||
| And it is politically charged when you do it, or at least there are political landmines there when you do it. | ||
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Yes, I think we'll be hearing about this for quite some time. | |
| Eddie in the garden state of New Jersey, Republican. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| You're up next with Sadie German. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Good morning. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Doing well. | ||
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Yes, my question is: I don't know what the big uproar is about James Cromey because when James Comey went on national TV and said that he knew it was a new administration and he did some things that he normally wouldn't have did, he showed that he crossed the line. | |
| So now, if they're looking into things that he did, then he should have his day in court. | ||
| I don't understand what the big uproar is. | ||
| Can she explain that? | ||
| Sadie German. | ||
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Well, these, I guess, the charges that are brought against him relate to testimony from about five years ago, in which a senator asked him if he had ever authorized a leak to the news media, and he basically referred back to testimony from 2017. | |
| So it might be helpful if we show those two sections of testimony. | ||
| So it was his testimony in 2017 with Chuck Grassley, Republican from Iowa, James Comey with Chuck Grassley. | ||
| So we'll show that first. | ||
| And then James Comey is asked about it in 2020 by Ted Cruz when he appears again on Capitol Hill. | ||
| So here they are back to back. | ||
| Director Comey, have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation? | ||
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Never. | |
| Question two on relatively related. | ||
| Have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation? | ||
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No. | |
| On May 3rd, 2017, in this committee, Chairman Grassley asked you point blank, quote, have you ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation? | ||
| You responded under oath, quote, never. | ||
| He then asked you, quote, have you ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton administration? | ||
| You responded again under oath, no. | ||
| Now, as you know, Mr. McCabe, who works for you, has publicly and repeatedly stated that he leaked information to the Wall Street Journal and that you were directly aware of it and that you directly authorized it. | ||
| Now, what Mr. Kitten McCabe is saying and what you testified to this committee cannot both be true. | ||
| One or the other is false. | ||
| Who's telling the truth? | ||
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I can only speak to my testimony. | |
| I stand by the testimony you summarized that I gave in May of 2017. | ||
| So your testimony is you've never authorized anyone to leak. | ||
| And Mr. McCabe, if he says contrary, is not telling the truth. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
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Again, I'm not going to characterize Andy's testimony, but mine is the same today. | |
| And fast forward five years, James Comey indicted on two criminal counts, one for making a false statement to Congress, one for obstructing a congressional proceeding, and he faces the arraignment for that today in the federal court in Alexandria. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So take us through what you see when you watch those videos from five years ago and eight years ago. | ||
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Well, it's a little murky. | |
| You know, to prove this charge and obtain a conviction, prosecutors have to prove that he knowingly, intentionally lied under oath. | ||
| And I think when you're dealing with testimony that's that old and questions that are kind of murky, it might be difficult. | ||
| Are these the key moments there? | ||
| I mean, is the jury in this case likely to be played that same video and asked what they think of those answers? | ||
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I think so. | |
| I mean, that seems to be their strongest evidence, at least that we know of at this point. | ||
| It's the U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Virginia, just across the Potomac River in Alexandria. | ||
| And we'll see if James Comey makes a statement after his arraignment today. | ||
| Back to your phone calls with Sadie German. | ||
| Just about 10 minutes left here. | ||
| This is Vance in Richmond, California, Independent. | ||
| Vance, good morning. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| You know, I agree with the reporter from the Wall Street Journal that this is a rather difficult case to make because I think it's what I call a limited hangout case. | ||
| It's a difficult perjury charge to make in a Senate colloquy with Senator Cruz as far as perjury. | ||
| My question really is that Mr. Comey really needs to be asked about what happened to Joseph Miffsid. | ||
| Miffsid is a man who just mysteriously disappeared. | ||
| I want to know if that is a murder case that is being investigated by the Trump Justice Department. | ||
| I want to know also about Vice President Pence's involvement with his chief of staff, Josh Pitcock, whose wife worked with Peter Stroke in the counterintelligence division in the early days of the first Trump administration. | ||
| That is a seditious conspiracy. | ||
| There ought to be a seditious conspiracy investigation into that and also a murder investigation into the most exculpatory witness of Operation Crossfire Hurricane. | ||
| That's Vance in California, Joseph Misfid and Pence staffers. | ||
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That is a deep cut. | |
| I haven't heard that name in a long time. | ||
| This is a figure who was involved in the Russia investigation, which is still being litigated on the Hill. | ||
| I don't have any indication that DOJ is looking at that, but I just don't know. | ||
| Kevin, out of New York, Republican, good morning. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| How is everyone today? | ||
| Doing well. | ||
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Can I just go back? | |
| Do you remember Attorney General Eric Holder? | ||
| Wasn't he the wingman for Barack Obama? | ||
| You're weaponizing Pam Bondi. | ||
| I think there should be accountability. | ||
| Whatever they're charging us is what they already did. | ||
| It's just ridiculous. | ||
| If there was some accountability from these people, maybe this could all come to an end. | ||
| It's just really sad for me. | ||
| Do you think that attorneys general are doing a good job of separating themselves from politics? | ||
| Or do you think it's become too mixed in recent years? | ||
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They haven't done a good job since Eric Holder. | |
| Eric Holder, Merrick Garland, at least in the first Trump administration, he didn't know what it was, the games these people play in Washington. | ||
| So he hired listening to people in Washington. | ||
| This second term, he gets to put the people he wants. | ||
| Everybody's still working. | ||
| No one's a cabinet member gone. | ||
| Kevin, who's the last Attorney General that you thought was above the politics, above being roped in to political investigations? | ||
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You know, maybe Bill Barr. | |
| Maybe, you know, but from Eric Holder to Merritt Garland, Pam Bondi's trying to clean up this mess. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| And maybe if there was some accountability, it could end. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| You know, I wish the American people would see this and realize this. | ||
| It's pretty simple. | ||
| Sadie German, what do you want to add? | ||
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Well, what I will say is that Bondi was asked yesterday about the firings and demotions of dozens of prosecutors and FBI agents, and she said she stood by them because her effort to hold people accountable for the kinds of things that you're talking about. | |
| Others, Democrats were asking her if those firings were politically motivated, and she said, absolutely not. | ||
| That she's trying to clean up what you described as a mess. | ||
| Is this some grand tradition of Attorneys General, of being accused of political investigations? | ||
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It's a more recent tradition, from what I understand. | |
| But historically, Attorneys General, the White House, the President and his Attorney General have sort of a weird relationship because this is a person that's in the cabinet who is supposed to be advancing the president's agenda, but also supposed to be this apolitical law enforcer. | ||
| And so it's always been a fine line for Attorneys General to walk. | ||
| But in recent years, you've seen these allegations lobbed back and forth about Attorneys General being too close to the president and vice versa. | ||
| Did you see the picture by the wife of the Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy, of the dinner at the White House and Pam Bondi's having dinner with the president on the porch of the White House? | ||
| I think it might have been the Rose Garden or something like that. | ||
| What did you make of that picture circulating on social media and playing into this idea of a too close relationship between the top law enforcement officer in the country and the president? | ||
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Well, Biden's Attorney General, Merritt Garland, you know, he was chosen because he had no prior relationship to Biden, and they weren't family friends. | |
| But what we know about Pam Bondi is that she's been close with Donald Trump for years, and she actually represented him in his first impeachment and helped him with some 2020 election challenges. | ||
| So she's been close with him. | ||
| I don't think it would be terribly unusual to see him, to see her by his side, but that's just an indication of their closeness. | ||
| This is David out of New York, Line for Democrats. | ||
| You're up next. | ||
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How are you doing? | |
| I want to get to Josh Hawley and Graham and the way they spoke yesterday and demanding that people look into what happened to them and that their phones got looked at. | ||
| Well, the truth being is that especially Mr. Hawley was very involved with the Oath Keeper and Proud Boys and meeting with them just before and after or just before the January 6th thing. | ||
| And it's just ridiculous how they're wondering why all of a sudden they looked into their phones and contacts. | ||
| It's obvious. | ||
| They were working to make an insurrection. | ||
| Plain and simple. | ||
| Hawley Rand was the first one to run out of the building. | ||
| On his way in, he high-hitlered them with his hand gesture. | ||
| We know what he was up to that day. | ||
| We watched all day long this terrible incident. | ||
| Him, Graham, Jordan, they were all meeting with these people. | ||
| This is all a setup pre-planned. | ||
| Navarro that day, Rudy Giuliani up there making their speeches. | ||
| You got a fight, fight, fight. | ||
| That's what the FBI was looking in. | ||
| And to feel like, oh, David, if you think, David, if you think that's what was happening, why do you think the FBI case didn't, why the FBI investigations didn't indict all these people if you think they were all part of some grand conspiracy theory? | ||
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Well, that's what they were looking into. | |
| And like what has been said and what has come out since is they didn't look at the conversations. | ||
| They looked at the people and contacts before and up to January 6th. | ||
| That's what they were looking for. | ||
| And just like with Trump and everybody else and this whole insurrection thing, nobody, nobody big like Trump or Hawley or these guys were ever indicted. | ||
| And when they tried to certain people or powerful groups stepped in and shut these things down. | ||
| That's David in New York. | ||
| Sadie German, what do you want to add? | ||
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Well, I guess I just think that we don't know enough information yet about what type of information they had and how they were using it. | |
| And Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel said that those are things they're investigating. | ||
| And so hopefully when they have some answers, they will tell us. | ||
| Rich in Baltimore, Independent. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| You're next. | ||
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Hey, good morning. | |
| Hey, just a couple questions or comments. | ||
| And so I'm going to take it that the journalist is true really trying to get an unbiased opinion to this. | ||
| And just keep this case related just to the Comey case for context. | ||
| So if you political figures or government figures, she considered them to have immunity for actions that they've done in the past, and they should not be getting charges brought against them if things are true. | ||
| Because that's not justice. | ||
| Because it goes back and forth on both sides. | ||
| They just keep going after each other. | ||
| And they call it. | ||
| Rich, I think we're losing you on your phone. | ||
| Immunity and elected officials when it comes to the president being immune from official actions. | ||
| It's certainly a case we saw before the Supreme Court. | ||
| But is there immunity for lower level political officials and people like the former FBI director? | ||
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Yeah, I think there's immunity for police officers and prosecutors when they take first actions they take in the course of their jobs. | |
| But I don't know how that would apply in a case like this. | ||
| This is Rick out of Spokane, Washington, line for Democrats. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Just a minute or two left here. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| Am I on the air? | ||
| You are, Rick. | ||
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Okay, all right. | |
| Thanks for taking my call. | ||
| I'm calling from Spokane, Washington. | ||
| You know, I think Bondi's performance in front of the when she testified in front of the Senate was egregious. | ||
| I mean, giving speeches against those senators and that. | ||
| And finally, one of them, including Schiff, too, said, Mr. Chairman, he invoked the chairman because it seemed like Grassley, you know, I mean, all the Republicans threw her softballs, but, you know, Grassley didn't have the, Senator Grassley didn't have the gumption to bang the gapplin sid, now you're a witness. | ||
| You're not here to be ridiculing senators over what they said. | ||
| You know, as far as Comey, I mean, the evidence from what I could see, I'm not a lawyer, but I do know a thing or two about jurisprudence. | ||
| And it seems like it's so specious. | ||
| And I heard months ago, and it didn't surprise me a bit that Comey was, I mean, that Trump was going to go after political enemies. | ||
| The next one is Adam Schiff, probably. | ||
| And some, you know, and they're talking about the Attorney General from New York State. | ||
| I mean, maybe Bondi was honest at one time, but she's been corrupted by Trump, and she doesn't want. | ||
| A lot of these people don't stand up to Trump. | ||
| And I've watched most of the confirmation hearings, and it seems like most, if not all, of the cabinet is just a bunch of foul balls. | ||
| I mean, it might get to the point where Trump's so egregious, even Ceaseburn won't be able to maintain neutrality. | ||
| Okay, I guess I talked long enough. | ||
| I'll hear what you have to say. | ||
| Rick out of Spokane. | ||
| Is there any indication that you've seen that there is an active investigation against Adam Schiff or Letitia James that there could be charges in the near future? | ||
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Yes, we do know that both of them are being investigated for mortgage fraud. | |
| And Bondi assigned Ed Martin to be a special prosecutor and panel grand juries in Maryland and Virginia to deal with those cases. | ||
| So I do think we should expect something to happen in those investigations somewhat soon. | ||
| This is Larry out of New York. | ||
| Republican, good morning. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Good morning. | ||
| Sadie said that President Biden did not know Mary Garland before he appointed him, but he got a relationship going with Merrick Garland when Merritt Garland was appointed by President Obama to be a Supreme Court justice. | ||
| And then I have another thing. | ||
| Comey said that he leaked information to a professor out of some college that he wrote in his book. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Sadie German, have you read the book? | ||
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Yes, I've read the book. | |
| I feel like I wrote the book sometimes. | ||
| But yes, so Comey has acknowledged that he did provide memos to a professor who then provided them to the New York Times. | ||
| Just about a minute left here. | ||
| What are you working on this week? | ||
| What are you going to be watching for? | ||
| Obviously, it's the arraignment happening today in Alexandria with James Comey, but what's next to watch as somebody who does this for a living? | ||
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Well, we are watching very closely the investigations that you mentioned into Adam Schiff and Letitia James. | |
| And we're also looking, we know that there are active investigations into involving Christopher Wray, the former FBI director, and also the former CIA director, John Brennan. | ||
| Sadie German and her colleagues at the Wall Street Journal cover it all. | ||
| It's wsj.com. | ||
| And if you want to follow her on X, it's at S German. | ||
| Easy enough to find. | ||
| Thanks so much for your time. | ||
| We'll let you get to your day. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| The federal government shutdown has now entered its ninth day as today on Capitol Hill, senators failed to pass two separate Democrat and Republican measures to reopen the government. | ||
| These last votes, which were the sixth attempt, come as conflicting information is coming out about back pay for furloughed federal workers, with the IRS telling employees that their pay is guaranteed, but the White House refuting that statement. | ||
| When the Senate returns on Thursday, lawmakers will vote again on a pair of funding measures, one from each party. | ||
| When senators finally do pass a budget, House members could receive a 48-hour notice prior to any potential votes. | ||
| House Speaker Mike Johnson, who's been active in the shutdown negotiations, will join Washington Journal live on Thursday morning to talk about the state of government funding and to take your phone calls and comments. | ||
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