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Oct. 6, 2025 16:13-16:43 - CSPAN
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President Trump Signs Executive Order
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tammy thueringer
Joining us now to discuss the latest on a government shutdown in the week ahead for Congress is Scott Wong.
He is a senior congressional reporter with NBC News.
Scott, welcome back to the program.
scott wong
Thanks for having me, Tammy.
tammy thueringer
We'll start with what everyone's talking about, and that is the government shutdown.
Now in day six, the Senate is expected back today.
The House no longer coming back this week.
Are there any questions?
unidentified
And we will leave this here now to hear remarks from President Trump live in the Oval Office.
donald j trump
I'm very familiar with and we're making it greater, bigger and more powerful and a job producing.
It's an economic goldmine, so to speak.
And I signed this years ago and Biden unsigned it for me.
This was something that should have been long operating and making millions of dollars for our country and supplying a lot of energy and minerals and everything else that we're talking about.
And they undid it and wasted a lot of time and a lot of money, a lot of effort.
And now we're starting again.
At this time, we have plenty of time to get it done and it's going to be done properly.
I'd like to ask your Department of Interior head, who has done a fantastic job, Doug Bergham, to say a few words about it.
And we'll go to Chris after you and anybody else that wants to say something.
And it's a very powerful deal, very, very big deal from the standpoint of minerals and energy.
So thank you all for being here.
Doug, please go ahead.
unidentified
Well, thank you, President Trump.
Yesterday is a historic day.
doug burgum
President Trump, as he promised when he was running in the election to the American people, that he was going to unlock the potential of this country.
unidentified
He was going to unlock America's mineral wealth.
He was going to generate revenue.
doug burgum
He was going to importantly bolster the critical supply chains around critical minerals for our country.
On day one, he signed a very important executive order, unleashing Alaska's extraordinary resource potential.
unidentified
And this is part of the continuation.
doug burgum
There's a number of things that have already happened with Alaska that are moving forward.
unidentified
There's more to come.
doug burgum
But big milestone today in reversing this Biden decision about the Ambler Road.
This is a 211-mile long road that begins over 200 miles north of Fairbanks off the Hall Road that goes up to the North Slope.
unidentified
This road goes through an area where there's no roads.
doug burgum
Ambler Mining District at the end of that has some of the richest mining deposits in all of America and in all of the world.
And these are minerals that are absolutely essential to defense, to industry moving forward today.
unidentified
Just take copper alone.
This is one of the richest copper locations in the country.
doug burgum
And of course, today to build a data center, you can have tens of thousands of tons of copper required for that.
unidentified
Even a single family home today may have as much as 400 pounds of copper in a home.
doug burgum
And we have, as a nation, in the past, basically gotten out of the mineral in energy and mining area.
unidentified
President Trump, when he said drill, baby, drill, he also was mind-baby mine.
We've got to get back in the mining business.
doug burgum
China controls 85 to 100 percent of all the mining and refining of the top 20 critical minerals.
unidentified
And in this mine area up there, we got copper, lead, zinc, gold, silver, gallium, germanium.
doug burgum
So rich in all of the minerals that we need to win the AI arms race against China and to prosper as a country.
unidentified
And so again, today, this was his history being made.
doug burgum
When some of this was set aside in 1980 by Jimmy Carter, there was a special authority created for presidents to decide if there is a dispute.
And so for the first time in history, a president is actually using that authority.
unidentified
President Trump, as he does, using his authority for the benefit of the American people.
doug burgum
And the appeal came in from the state of Alaska asking that this road be built.
unidentified
Alaska is not a colony.
They're a state.
They have an opportunity to build roads like any other state.
With this signing, President Trump, Alaska, go ahead and build this road.
doug burgum
It'll be a toll road, not a public road.
unidentified
It's a toll road, so it'll be controlled in terms of traffic.
It's a gravel road.
It'll be sensitive to the environment.
doug burgum
There'll be collaboration with the Native Alaskan corporations in terms of how it's built and how it's used, supporting the Alaskan Native tribes with subsistence hunting regulations on either side of this.
unidentified
But this opens up a wealth of resources.
doug burgum
In addition, there's going to be an announcement made later today that is part of this announcement that the Department of War, the United States government, is making an investment in Trilogy Minerals.
They're one of the companies that has mining claims in this area that is a remote wilderness right now.
And again, making that investment so we can make sure that we're securing these critical mineral supplies and that ownership in that company will benefit the American people.
unidentified
With that, I'll kick it over to Chris Wright.
chris wright
Thank you, Doug.
And a huge thank you to the President today.
This is a tremendous achievement for the people of Alaska.
We were in the North Slope of Alaska a few months ago celebrating energy development there.
They want jobs and opportunity to develop the resources on their lands.
This is another major step forward.
We say energy is the lifeblood of society, the circulatory system.
Minerals and metals, they're the skeletal infrastructure, the physical upholding of everything we do.
Everywhere we walk and operate, your cameras, everything you hold, are made out of metals and minerals.
President Biden thought it was appropriate to offshore both of these industries outside of our country.
That has not left us in a strong place.
President Trump, in his first term and even more strongly in his second term, is bringing those industries back to our country.
America was a mining powerhouse for a long, long time, and our mining industry got squelched.
Now we're seeing it come back to life.
You saw the President's truth not long ago about a deal for lithium production in Nevada just a week or so ago.
This will more than tenfold increase American lithium production.
And this infrastructure, this mining road in the Ambler Mining District, will just have immense impact on future mining opportunities for our country's security and economic opportunities for the people of Alaska.
Our critical minerals and mining expert within the administration is standing right next to me, David Copley.
I'll see if he wants to add any words.
unidentified
This is a really big deal for the American mining industry.
And I think it shows the President's seriousness about getting this industry going, making sure we have the critical minerals we need for our defense industrial base and for our broader economy.
donald j trump
Thank you very much.
And I think we want to get this going by a certain time.
So I signed it.
And Will, I'm going to give it to you, and you get it filed.
Good job.
unidentified
Thank you, sir.
donald j trump
It's a big job.
Thank you very much.
So we created a great deal of wealth for that part of the world and that part of our country by doing this long, very difficult road to build, and we'll be talking about that sometime later.
But it's a great deal for our country.
It's a great deal for the people of our country and for the taxpayers of our country.
And if you have any questions on that, let me know.
unidentified
Expect for the road to reconstruction.
How quickly will it get underway?
doug burgum
Well, this road, as I said, industrial road, it'll have ownership.
It'll likely be split between the state of Alaska, the federal government, and the native Alaska corporations.
We would expect that construction would begin next spring with planning throughout this winter.
The 211-mile-long road will be a gravel road with a solid design base to handle the weight of the trucks that are going in and out.
This is typical design that far north because asphalt with a freeze-thaw cycle, very difficult with asphalt or concrete.
So gravel, a fantastic gravel road is going to have the least impact on the environment.
unidentified
It's going to be the best suited purpose.
Alaska's done this in the past with the red dog mine.
They've built a toll road that, again, has ownership.
doug burgum
The companies that use the road pay to transit that road.
So this is an economic model used around the world in mining districts.
unidentified
We'll apply it right here.
doug burgum
And again, it's going to generate revenue for the American people and for the citizens of Alaska as opposed to a cost.
donald j trump
And also two bridges.
unidentified
We're going to build two bridges that will be able to complete and we'll get them up very quickly.
And how long to complete?
I mean, 211 miles.
donald j trump
Yeah, we'll get it done in less than a year.
doug burgum
It's going to come in three phases.
The first road, as President Trump said, will go quickly, which is they call it a pilot road.
We'll build a single lane gravel road through the full duration of it.
That'll be then expanded to a second phase and then a third phase over time.
But again, we want to get that pilot road built because then we can help get materials back to help the mine get started quickly as well.
unidentified
Mr. President, there's negotiations happening with your team in Egypt right now over your proposed plan.
It was reported by Axis over the weekend that you had a call with Prime Minister Detanyahu where you told him to stop being so negative and to take the win when it came to Hamas's response to that.
Is that true?
donald j trump
No, it's not true.
He's been very positive.
He's been very positive on the deal.
Everybody is.
I think every nation is.
We have just about every nation working on this deal and trying to get it done.
Something that you could say 3,000 years if you look at it in certain ways or you could say centuries, but this is a deal that incredibly everyone just came together.
They all came together.
No, Israel's been great.
They've all been good, Caitlin.
unidentified
And in the negotiations, do you have any red lines in terms of Hamas disarming and whatnot?
Or are there any?
donald j trump
No, I have red lines.
If certain things aren't met, we're not going to do it.
But I think we're doing very well, and I think Hamas has been agreeing to things that are very important.
unidentified
Will the government shut down, Mr. President, if a vote today fails in the Senate?
Will that trigger layoffs?
donald j trump
It could.
At some point it will.
And the Democrats are the ones that started this.
And if you think about it, it's about health care to a large extent.
It's about we want great health care for people.
We don't want to give the money away to other people.
They come pouring into our country.
And they've already poured it because nobody's coming into our country.
Now we have the border totally stopped.
In fact, numbers we just announced again were at another zero.
So we have zero for four months in a row.
Zero people coming into our country illegally.
That's a pretty good number.
I'm not sure.
Even I can believe that, Doug, if you want to know the truth.
Zero.
We went from millions of people to zero.
But it's pretty close to that number.
And we, the way you stop them is not to give away, not to announce that you're giving everybody free health care, free this and that.
What that does is it affects the American people because the American people are unable to get good health care.
Obamacare has been a wreck, as you know, and to do that, we have to keep it propped up and do the best you can with it.
It's a mess.
But a lot of things are going on in that.
You know, we talk about Hamas, and we talk about negotiations that we have going on right now.
We have a negotiation going on right now with the Democrats that could lead to very good things.
unidentified
What kind of joy is that?
donald j trump
And I'm talking about good things with regard to health care.
tammy thueringer
Are you speaking with Democratic leaders?
unidentified
What kind of difference?
donald j trump
Well, I don't want to say that.
I don't want to say that.
But we are speaking with the Democrats, and some very good things could happen with respect to health care.
unidentified
Would you make a deal with them on the ACA subsidies?
donald j trump
If we made the right deal, I'd make a deal, sure.
I mean, you have right now subsidies.
You have subsidies.
That's the problem with Obamacare.
The subsidies are so much.
It's billions and billions of dollars is being wasted.
And we could have a much better health care than we have right now.
And we're talking to them.
I mean, I'm not saying that's going to happen because this has also been going on, not for 3,000 years, but it's been going on for a long time.
But yeah, we're talking to the Democrats.
I'd like to see a deal made for great health care.
I want to see great health.
I'm a Republican, but I want to see health care much more so.
unidentified
Republicans are standing their ground.
What is your message directly to the American people who may encounter some of this pain that is there?
How do you get them away from?
donald j trump
Well, up till now, there hasn't been a great deal of pain.
There could be a great deal of pain, but up till now, there hasn't been.
I will say this, just hang in there because I think a lot of good things are going to happen.
That's all I can say.
I mean, I think a lot of good things could happen, and that could also pertain to health care.
unidentified
Mr. Crusoe, Mr. Democrat.
Well, I've seen a surge in attacks on ICE agents across the country, including the shooting in Dallas and over the weekend in Chicago.
We saw 10 cars boxing in on ICE agents and another one ramming into an ICE vehicle.
However, Secretary Monk saying that some of these attackers are actually organized and they're planning to carry and anguish these officers.
What are the consequences for these?
donald j trump
Very severe.
We're going to have very severe consequences.
We're going to find out who's going after our federal agents.
So when you look at Chicago, they've had probably 50 murders in the last six or seven months, eight months.
Many, many people shot, like 30, 40, 50 people shot.
Didn't die, but they've been shot.
It's like a war zone.
And then I listened to the governor and the mayor get up and say how they have it under control.
They don't.
It's probably worse than almost any city in the world.
You can go to Afghanistan.
You can go to a lot of different places and they probably marvel at how much crime we have.
Then you go to Memphis, where we are right now.
Now, it's just like in Washington, D.C. right now, you people know better than I do because you have to live right inside.
And so many of the press have come to me.
They've said, I can't believe it.
It's changed so much.
We have a safe city in Washington.
Memphis will very soon have a safe city.
Chicago can be very, very safe.
It's going to be very safe.
But Chicago is going to be very safe.
And you say, why is it that a governor wouldn't accept free help from regardless?
I mean, whether it's National Guard or the military or anybody.
I mean, if women raped and beaten and knocked to hell, and the same with men where they're being shot all over the place in large numbers.
I mean, we had a week in Chicago where 11 people were murdered and 38 people were shot.
And then we have a governor get up and say, oh, it's safe.
We can handle it.
He can't handle it.
He's an incompetent guy.
That's why they threw him out of the family business.
They threw him out.
I knew the family business very well.
And they threw him out.
And now he's the governor.
And he should say, we'd love to have a safer place.
Chicago is a great city potentially.
You know, I told you, the head of the Union Pacific Railroad said, sir, save Chicago.
It's a great city.
It's going to be lost if you don't do it.
We have no choice but to do this.
And when judges give us rulings that, you know, you don't have to do it, Portland is on fire.
Portland's been on fire for years.
And not so much saving it.
We have to save something else because I think that's all insurrection.
I really think that's really criminal insurrection.
So I appreciate the question.
These are unsafe places.
We're going to make them safe.
So you see what's going on in Memphis.
Not pretty, but you know what?
We're doing a pretty job because it's going to be a very safe place in a little while.
And the people of Memphis are so happy that we're there.
And the people of Chicago.
So you have black women with MAGA hats on in Chicago, all over the place.
They want the guard to come in, or they don't care who comes in.
They just want to be safe.
And they really don't care.
You know, there was one woman, and she was great today.
She said, you know what?
I don't care if it's the National Guard, the Army, the Marines, the Air Force.
I don't care who comes in as long as we're safe.
And that's the way most of the public feels.
We're going to make Chicago really great again, and we're going to stop this crime.
Then we're going to go to another one, and we're going to go city by city.
We're going to have safe cities.
And it was so great that we started with our nation's capital.
One of the worst.
I mean, so many people, every week, somebody was killed.
They'd come from Iowa, they'd come from Indiana.
They want to see the Jefferson Memorial, the Lincoln Memorial.
They want to see something and they'd get shot.
And you'd call their parents, I'm sorry, but your son is dead.
And they go, what do you mean he's dead?
Came to Washington, D.C. Not anymore.
That's not happening anymore.
We have a safe place.
We have a safe capital.
It's as safe as we have, probably almost just about in the country.
And if you look back six months ago, seven months ago, this was a death trap.
You look back during the Biden, I mean, what they did, how badly they managed things.
And almost all of these cities, most of these cities are Democrat-run.
And we don't care, Democrat, Republican, we're going to make them safe.
So we have to save Chicago.
It's very important.
And you can't have a governor getting up and saying it's good when 11 people were shot over a weekend.
unidentified
Mr. President, what?
Under what conditions are terms with you?
donald j trump
Well, I'd do it if it was necessary.
So far it hasn't been necessary, but we have an insurrection act for a reason.
If I had to enact it, I'd do that.
If people were being killed and courts were holding us up or governors or mayors were holding us up, sure, I'd do that.
I mean, I want to make sure that people aren't killed.
We have to make sure that our cities are safe.
And it's turning out, and we started with D.C.
It's been so successful.
Think of it.
People wouldn't go to restaurants.
The restaurants were closing.
We were losing a lot of restaurants, as you all know.
And now restaurants are opening and they're thriving.
And I went two weeks ago and it was great.
I'm going to go again.
I felt very safe, very safe.
Forgetting about guards and Secret Service, I would have gone.
It would have been very safe.
D.C. is a great, and look at the cleanliness of D.C. Look at how it's clean.
You don't have tents all over the place.
We had parks where you couldn't even walk through the park.
You had people from tents, and there were violent people.
Some of these people were violent people.
We have a great, safe capital again.
And if you look at it in six months from now, it'll be the most beautiful anywhere in the world.
It's being cleaned.
The graffiti is all gone now.
The tents are all gone.
We have a capital that you can be proud of, but it'll only get better with time.
unidentified
Mr. President, Mr. President, it's October 7th, the two-year anniversary of the regional Israeli attack.
Do you expect to go to deal tomorrow or is there any sort of hostage?
donald j trump
I think we're going to have it soon.
I think we're going to have a deal.
It's a hard thing for me to say that when for years and years they've been trying to have a deal with Gaza, but I mean, literally for centuries, okay, if you really think about it.
But we're going to have a Gaza deal, I'm pretty sure, yeah.
unidentified
And what's the president with that talk about the talk?
donald j trump
Well, I'm the one that got the hostages back.
remember that, you know, I'm the one that, yeah.
Yeah, I got them back.
unidentified
Israeli citizens are celebrating what you've accomplished in this deal.
Should it come through, there will be a lot of celebration on the streets of Israel.
The hostages' families, have they been in contact with you with regard to this deal about what could happen?
donald j trump
They're so happy about it.
It's like they can't breathe.
One said, I can't breathe.
You know, it's very sad because you have hostages and you have people that are no longer living.
But the parents, and I've said this to you many times, the parents want the bodies of their boy back, the bodies of their loved one back.
In most cases, they're young men, and they're dead.
And there's probably 32 or so about that number.
Nobody knows exactly what the number is.
They want that body back as much as if their son were alive.
And I've been with them.
You know, many have come to the White House, to the Oval Office.
I've been with many of the people that I got released.
We have a fantastic group working on it.
Steve Witkoff has been amazing.
Jared, I have Jared.
I took Jared out because Jared's a very, you don't find anybody more capable.
And we have the A-plus team working on it.
I think we've made tremendous progress.
And yeah, the people of Israel, the people of Israel want it to happen, but the people related to hostages, I mean, you see in Israel tens of thousands of people.
They really want the hostages back, and they really want things to end.
And I think Hamas now has been, all I can say is they've been fine.
They've been fine.
I hope it's going to continue that way.
I think it will.
I really think we're going to have a deal.
We have a really good chance of making a deal, and it'll be a lasting deal.
We're going to have peace.
This is beyond Gaza.
Gaza is a big deal, but this is really peace in the Middle East.
And the amazing thing is we have every Arab country, every Muslim country, we have every country surrounding.
They all want, I spoke with President Erwan of Turkey.
He's fantastic.
He's been pushing very hard.
He's a very powerful guy.
And he's been pushing very, very hard to get this deal done.
And Hamas has a lot of respect for him.
They have a lot of respect for Qatar.
They have a lot of respect for UAE and Saudi Arabia.
Everybody is on our side to get this deal done.
There's never been anything like it.
Nobody's ever seen it.
There's always been like 80% of them don't want something done.
I think virtually we haven't had a signal, a very strong signal, as you know from Iran, they'd like to see this done.
unidentified
Governor Abbott offered up the Texas National Guard to have you had any other conversations with other red state governors.
donald j trump
They're willing to offer, every one of them is willing to offer whatever we need.
We thank Governor Abbott of Texas.
Every one of the red state, as you call them, red state governors, is willing to give whatever we need because they want our agents protected.
You know, these ICE agents have a tough job.
They have to go in and get, in many cases, stone-cold criminals, hardened criminals, long-time criminals.
And every essentially Republican governor has offered up whatever we need.
And some Democratic governors also.
unidentified
Mr. President, thank you.
Quick question on the subject of the order.
The Biden administration, previously speaking, they shut down Alaska for business.
You reversed that, reversed it on day one, you opened it up, going after all the critical minerals.
This mission of yours, Secretary Bergham, Secretary Byte, to boost our own independent production of critical minerals, rarely.
donald j trump
No, it's necessary.
unidentified
Talk about how important that is over the next four years, sir.
donald j trump
Well, it's very necessary.
You know, in the past, we were able to go to other countries, buy whatever we want, but all of a sudden, if those countries are hostile, and by the way, China hasn't been.
We've made deals with China.
You know, they approved the TikTok deal.
Everyone said you'd never get the TikTok deal approved.
They approved it, and we have great people buying it.
American, big, strong American companies are buying it, the most prestigious companies there are, actually.
And they're going to make sure everything's good.
But President Xi was great.
He approved it.
So I'm not saying hostile, but it's good to have our own minerals.
And, you know, we create a tremendous value by creating a road.
We build a road that only we can do because we have the rights to do it, number one, and we have the power to do it.
And so we build a road that's over 200 miles long through a very beautiful area of the world.
Actually, it's incredible.
When you look at it, it's incredible.
But a rough area from the standpoint of building.
So we get a road done, and with that, we unleash billions and billions of dollars of wealth.
It's pretty amazing when you think of it.
And it's wealth that we need if we're going to be the number one country.
You know, we're number one now with AI.
You probably read.
We're beating everybody with AI at levels that nobody ever thought even possible.
And one of the reasons we are is because of energy.
So our grid is old and tired, like most grids are.
They get old with time.
unidentified
I mean, you know, the older you are, the older the grid gets, right?
donald j trump
But I've allowed the people building AI or other plants, other types of plants, but AI in particular, because they need so much electricity, I've allowed them to build their own power.
And it's been amazing.
They're building massive plants, and with the plant, they're building their own electricity.
They've become a utility in a sense.
I said maybe you'll do better with the utility than you do with the AI.
unidentified
I don't know.
donald j trump
But we're letting them build their own electricity.
So we don't have to worry about the grid.
We don't have to worry about anything.
And they're going to build it in such a way that if they have excess capacity, they're going to put it back into the grid.
It's pretty amazing.
So when they build, we're giving them permits to build their own electric power plants.
And it's incredible when you see what they're doing.
And because of that and other things that we're doing, we're leading every country.
Nobody's even close to us with AI.
And AI seems to be the big thing.
I don't know.
I can't tell you that.
There are a lot of people building, and a lot of people have high stock prices because of AI.
So a lot of people think it's great stuff.
And I think it's great stuff.
I look at it.
It's amazing what it can do.
In terms of medical, in terms of medical costs, in terms of knowledge, it's basically information and information at a level that nobody thought possible before.
So we'll see.
But they're building plants where you saw the one overlay that I did where, in this case, it's Meta.
One of their plants is essentially the size, almost the size of Manhattan.
And that's a building, you know?
It's a building that covers Manhattan.
So it's big stuff.
And nobody's even close to us.
We're leading AI by so much.
unidentified
Mr. President, President, since the start of your administration, we've seen a lot more Americans wanting to join ICE.
And as they're seeing more attacks on them right now, what's your message to reconcile ICE agents who are trying to do their jobs but increasing a thousand percent increase in attacks?
donald j trump
I love your questions, you know.
I like you.
So, who are you with?
unidentified
I'm with NTV.
donald j trump
Very nice.
unidentified
We got mugged.
donald j trump
You were the one, that's what I thought.
You got mugged.
You're not getting mugged anymore.
She was really, you're lucky to be with us when that deal that happened.
I know all about that.
Not anymore, though.
You feel a different world out there, right?
unidentified
Totally.
If you say you put the baby now in your mind.
donald j trump
Oh, good.
Well, you're safe now.
Nobody's going to be hurting you in any way.
You, Mr. President.
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Mr. President, you're going to record today.
donald j trump
Thank you.
So, the bottom line on your question: we're just going to make things real safe.
We're going to have a country that you can be proud of, not a country that you read about every day where somebody gets mugged from behind or hit over the head with a baseball bat.
Those people aren't with us any longer.
Yeah, please.
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. President.
On today's call with Lula from Brazil, are you considering lowering tariffs after the call?
donald j trump
Well, I had a great talk with the President of Brazil, who's a good man.
I met him actually at the United Nations.
I was going up to make a speech and I didn't have a teleprompter.
I was walking up to my teleprompter.
I said, you know, I don't have a teleprompter.
But just before that, I met with President Luna, and I found him to be very good.
I mean, we had a very good talk for about, you know, two minutes.
And then I went up to make a speech, and I was surprised to see, how would you like that one, Doug?
I've got every leader in the world sitting out there.
My teleprompter isn't on.
You know why, Daniel?
Because it was a rigged deal.
But fortunately, I made a better speech than I would have if I read it off a teleprompter, which is pretty easy to do.
So it was quite a day.
That was a big day.
But we met and we liked each other.
And yeah, we had a great conversation.
Yeah, we'll start doing business.
unidentified
And are you considering coming to Brazil for a COVID?
donald j trump
At some point, I would, and he's going to come here.
We talked about that.
unidentified
And a follow-up question on Israel.
Israel government has been arresting and reporting activists that were traveling through Gaza.
Today, Greta Famberg, for instance, also some.
donald j trump
Well, she's just a troublemaker.
You mean she's no longer into the environment now?
She's a troublemaker.
She has an anger management problem.
I think she should see a doctor.
She needs anger.
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