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unidentified
This show in C-SPAN is one of the few places left in America where you actually have left and right coming together to talk and argue.
And you guys do a great service in that.
I love C-SPAN too.
That's why I'm here today.
Answer questions all day, every day.
Sometimes I get to do fun things like go on C-SPAN.
adam goodman
C-SPAN is, I think, one of the very few places that Americans can still go.
unidentified
C-SPAN has such a distinguished and honorable and important mandate and mission in this country.
I love this show.
This is my favorite show to do of all shows because I actually get to hear what the American people care about.
American people have access to their government in ways that they did not before the cable industry provided C-SPAN access.
That's why I like to come on C-SPAN is because this is one of the last places where people are actually having conversations, even people who disagree.
Shows that you can have a television network that can try to be objective.
Thank C-SPAN for all you do.
It's one of the reasons why this program is so valuable because it does bring people together where dissenting voices are heard, where hard questions are asked, and where people have to answer to them.
john mcardle
I want to return for a few minutes to the tragedy in Texas, the floods there.
This morning, the headlines noting that more than 100 people have now died.
To talk more about it, we're joined by EE News climate reporter Chelsea Harvey.
Her story at eenews.net.
Texas flood forecasts were accurate, but it wasn't enough to save lives.
Ms. Harvey, why wasn't accurate forecasts here enough to save lives?
unidentified
Yeah, I think, you know, forecasts and warnings from the National Weather Service, they only go so far.
So in this case, the science was on point.
The forecasts were accurate.
The warnings, they all went out when they should have gone out.
But, you know, there's also responsibility on the part of local authorities.
And so, you know, this particular case, there was a very big challenge in that the most urgent alerts were going out in the middle of the night.
This was also a rural area.
You know, people have to have their phones on, they have to have alerts enabled, they have to have cell phone service.
If they don't have service, they have to have a NOAA weather radio.
And, you know, if there are failures in any of those cases, then, you know, it's on authorities to be ensuring that the warnings are reaching people and that they know what to do and they understand the dangers and they know how to get to safety.
So, you know, I think that was the issue here.
The forecasts, they did what they were supposed to do, and there were still people who were not getting the warnings.
john mcardle
In your story, one National Weather Service employee referred to it as the last mile of communication.
Explain what that term means.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, so everything starts with the National Weather Service.
They put the forecast together, they issue the warnings, and then there has to be coordination with local authorities or with emergency managers to ensure that those folks understand what the dangers are, where the dangers are, how to communicate them to the public, how to, you know, coordinate evacuations, when and where.
There's definitely communication at all steps between National Weather Service meteorologists and the people who are out there on the ground making sure that the public knows what to do.
john mcardle
Yesterday, the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer put a letter out to the Inspector General Office at the Department of Commerce looking into whether National Weather Service offices were adequately staffed ahead of these storms.
What have you been able to find out on that front?
unidentified
Right.
There were two National Weather Service offices that were serving most of the affected communities in Texas.
Both of those offices did have vacancies in some key roles on staff.
So there are certain top positions that aid in coordination between meteorologists and with local authorities.
So both offices were missing some key roles.
They did not have permanent people on staff in those roles.
That said, what I have heard is that during this disaster, both offices called all hands on deck.
So they did have adequate numbers of meteorologists on staff.
The right number of people were at work when they should have been at work.
But it is true that there were some key vacancies in terms of those positions.
john mcardle
And then that's the forecasting side, now the recovery and response side.
What do we know about FEMA staffing, FEMA funding, and concerns there by some federal leaders about whether it will be enough?
unidentified
That's a great question.
I think there are big open questions right now about FEMA.
Of course, over the last few months, the Trump administration has proposed big overhauls of FEMA.
You know, we still don't know exactly how those changes will shake out.
If they do, the proposals have generally suggested that states will become more responsible for more extreme weather events.
You know, in this case, President Trump has approved a major disaster declaration.
So that, you know, that has already gone through.
But I think there is a big question right now about, you know, this is the biggest disaster that has happened so far on the Trump administration's watch.
So are these overhauls of FEMA still on the table?
Is this going to change anything?
And, you know, I think that that does still remain to be seen.
john mcardle
And then finally, as a climate reporter at ENE News, as you look at the questions, and it played out in the first hour of our program today when callers were calling in about this topic, what this will mean for debates about climate science, some callers saying that this is not something that will change their views on climate change.
unidentified
I mean, I think that this is a very prime example of exactly the kind of event that is worsening with climate change.
The science is very, very clear on that.
Extreme rainfall events, they are worsening as global temperatures rise.
This exact type of event is only expected to happen more frequently and to grow more intense in the future.
The science is very clear on that.
john mcardle
President Trump referred to it as a once-in-a-hundred-year storm.
Why do we seem to be getting more and more once-in-a-hundred-year disaster, whether it's a storm or a hurricane or another natural weather event?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, there are all kinds of extreme weather events that are worsened by climate change.
You know, as global temperatures rise, heat waves are getting worse, hurricanes are intensifying.
In the case of extreme rainfall events, like what caused these floods, it's simple physics.
A warmer atmosphere can hold more water.
In this case, also the Gulf, the water temperatures in the Gulf are growing warmer, and that allows more moisture to seep into the atmosphere and then condense into clouds over Texas.
And that's exactly what we saw in this case.
john mcardle
EE News covers all these topics.
It's eenews.net.
If you want to read Chelsea Harvey's latest story on this, Texas flood forecasts were accurate.
It wasn't enough to save lives.
What are you working on next?
unidentified
Oh, I'll be continuing to do Texas coverage, so stay tuned.
john mcardle
Eenews.net is where you can go.
Thanks so much for your time this morning.
I appreciate it.
unidentified
Thanks for having me.
john mcardle
And now your phone calls in open forum.
Jane's up first out of Augusta, Maine, Republican line.
Jane, good morning.
unidentified
Hi, John.
This is Jane, and I appreciate the presentation of your past speaker about disaster preparation because I've been a camp cook a long time ago at a camp up in northern Maine.
But I just wanted to reiterate: I was on the call on June 7th, and I'm a registered licensed dietitian, and I've worked in many facilities, nursing home, food service, and fast food restaurants, too.
And I just wanted to bring up a suggestion about topics, address possible guests.
dana bash
Workplace bullying and nutrition both have been really in the news lately, and they both affect individuals.
unidentified
And my two guests for C-SPAN, I haven't seen them in your log, is the Workplace Bullying Institute.
This is Dr. Gary and Luf Niami, and they've been around since 1997, and they have an estate initiative among the workplace states.
It's called WBAA.
It's the Workplace Bullying Accountability Act.
And my second guest for a recommendation, who I've not seen, is a representative of AND.
And it's the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.
I haven't seen anything from them or them as a guest regarding this SNAP and Medicaid and health care debate.
So thank you very much for your time.
john mcardle
Jane, thank you for the suggestions.
Always appreciate it.
unidentified
Okay.
Bye.
Thank you.
john mcardle
Constance in Chesapeake, Virginia, Democrat.
Good morning.
It's open forum.
What's on your mind?
unidentified
Well, I'm upset at our country right now and everybody because we have not been helping Ukraine.
We need to help Ukraine.
This brotherhood that Trump seems to have with Putin is disgusting and sickening.
So, I mean, this, he has, I'm going to thank Trump for one thing: exposing all the criminality that we can see in our own government and the U.N., because Putin should have been dealt with years ago.
And these oil companies are the reason we're having global warming, and they don't want us blaming them, but it is their fault.
denise in florida
And Dukepont, we've all stood by and let them poison the world with plastics.
unidentified
So when is justice ever going to show up?
denise in florida
I want our country to have good law, but all we've got is law that only helps the big corporations and craps on all the little people.
john mcardle
Constance, on your first topic, a headline from Politico just within the past 24 hours, and one of our earlier guests mentioned it: halted military aid for Ukraine may start flowing again as the headline.
High-level meetings between U.S. and Ukrainian officials this week could unfurl some of the weapon shipments paused by the United States.
That's the story.
unidentified
So we're going to finally give them some stuff to help them?
john mcardle
The key words there may and could in that headline and sub headline.
denise in florida
Well, the thing is, we have a chance for a World War II moment where we could be heroes again and do something right, and we've just thrown it away.
unidentified
I respect my father fought in World War II as a bombardier and a navigator and all that.
And I have respect for our allies.
I love our allies.
I am insulted for our allies by this ridiculous orange man.
john mcardle
That's Constance in Virginia.
This is Tim in the Buckeye State Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Hello.
john mcardle
Go ahead, Tim.
unidentified
Okay, how are you doing?
My name is Tim, and I'm coming in an open forum.
I listen to C-SPAN every day, and the hypocrisy and the way you Republicans, how they appoint the favor and say, oh, it's Obama's fault, it's Biden's fault.
But then when you look at the things that go on in this country today, and it's so obvious that the hate and the discord and the division that's coming from the administrating office right now, it's sad to see people defend that and say that that's not it.
It's always the other side.
And I just listen to CSM every day, and it's just unbelievable how I hear people call in and make those statements, and it's totally not true.
And I just wanted to share that.
john mcardle
It's Tim in Ohio.
This is Maybe out of California, Republican.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, my name's Maisie.
john mcardle
May Z, go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
So I, on my mind, is Indigenous people, and I wanted to give a shout out to our former president Biden because he appointed two Indigenous peoples to the, let me think, Secretary of the Interior, I believe, is Deb Holland, and another one that I just heard about the other day.
I can't remember what it was, and I bet you can look it up, John.
But anyway, that's on my mind.
And then for the disabled people, some of which Trump maligns, like he says, oh, all these people are coming over from Mexico that are mentally this and that.
I'd like to point towards his own brother.
I don't mean to be insensitive as he's listening in.
He says he does, but that, you know, he had a brother named Fred who passed from alcoholism at the age of, I'm not sure, but it was under 40, I believe.
And that's, I think, considered a mental illness anyway.
And then I just wanted to ask why the disabled people, when they're getting their SSI checks, for example, they're not allowed to earn any savings, which my dad was always liking, you know, get credit, get savings.
Well, you can't have, I believe, it's more than $2,000 in the bank if you're getting SSI or maybe Medi-Cal, sir.
And so it just doesn't seem fair to me that people can't build any wealth or equity and still maybe have a little help with if they have a disability like PTSD or whatever word you want to use.
So I'd like to address that with Mr. Trump, you know, write him a letter about it because I feel the whole system, quote-unquote system my mom used to talk about is unfair to the disabled.
We can't build any wealth.
We can't buy any property or even buy a lipstick or something.
Anyway, blah, blah, blah.
john mcardle
And they, when you say we, do you have personal experience?
unidentified
Yes, yes, I do.
john mcardle
Do you want to talk about it?
unidentified
Well, sure.
I mean, oh, gosh.
I was diagnosed in my 20s as bipolar, and so I was given Section 8 housing.
So my rent was at that time in the 80s, late 80s.
It was $200 a month.
And the area I was in, the going rate was probably at that time $1,500 for an apartment.
So once you get a check that's like maybe $900 and your rent's $200, you have $700 to spend on fancy haircuts.
And, you know, you run around, but you don't.
I was never given a path towards employment, a path towards savings, a path towards credit.
Even maybe my parents were, you know, running that for me.
But anyway, so then off and on, I've been on medication.
I've been off medication.
I've been successful off it, on it.
I always tried to work because I wanted to be like the normal working people, et cetera, and I had difficulty with that.
I did do a lot of child care.
I wound up working as a peer counselor in mental health, which is not a well-paid job, unfortunately, but it's very valuable.
I've worked as a caregiver, a nanny, many, many things that helped people.
And at the same time, I didn't know how to help myself financially.
So the financials are huge, as most people know.
And then I'm embarrassed to say I've never paid taxes since about the early 80s because I never had the income to support paying taxes.
So when all the people here are calling you and telling you, I don't want my tax money to go towards this and that, and I'm also against what's going on in Gaza.
And I don't want my tax money going there, but I don't pay any taxes, so I feel I'm out of the loop.
So the whole thing I'm trying to say is the disabled would like to be in the loop.
Get some equity, get some money.
And of course, the Indigenous people need that as well.
Black people need reparations.
john mcardle
I appreciate a lot of topics you're bringing up, but I appreciate you sharing your story.
I've got some other folks waiting.
We'll talk to you again in about a month.
This is Naomi in Maryland.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, good morning.
I just want to say thank you to all the people who tried to rescue everybody during that flood.
But I'm not hearing enough talk that Mr. Trump fired over 800 people in NOAA.
Over 800.
Now, you don't fire all those people and expect nothing is going to happen.
There was one man who was the coordinator.
He was there for 32 years.
He was the guy that coordinated the warning signals with all the smaller offices across the country.
And also, Mr. Trump, he decided, well, we don't need weather balloons anymore.
Now, the weather balloons that would fly throughout the country in different states, they forecasted things like, oh, there's going to be a hurricane in two months or in one month or in one week.
When you fire those people and you don't have that information, what do you think is going to happen?
And that's the problem.
They don't think.
They didn't think.
I guess all of this relates to this big, bad, beautiful bill, right?
There's eight, it seemed to me that what people are reporting is 8% of people don't know the truth about this.
I don't hear the truth enough.
And I have a message for everybody, and this has been on my mind for quite some time.
If you want to protect yourself and your family, turn off Fox.
I think that Fox is one of the most dangerous stations and the most dangerous that people are facing because they're not learning the truth.
john mcardle
Naomi, do you ever go to the BBC?
What do you think of the BBC?
unidentified
Yes, I would recommend people have choices.
You have PBS, you have BBC, you have NPR, you have MSNBC, you have C-SPAN, CNN.
Those are choices that people certainly can choose to learn the truth because you're not going to be able to protect yourself and your family from weather, from any kind of tragedies, unless you know what the truth is.
And that's my message.
john mcardle
Naomi, on cuts that the Trump administration has made impact in the National Weather Service.
This is the BBC article.
Did U.S. government cuts contribute to flood tragedy?
BBC examined the impact of the cuts under Trump, and while there have been a reduction in the workforce at the National Weather Service, experts that we spoke to, they said, said that staffing on hand for the Texas flood appears to have been adequate.
The Trump administration has proposed a 25% cut to the $6.1 billion budget at NOAA, the agency which oversees the National Weather Service.
Though these cuts do not take effect until October, staffing levels at the National Weather Service have already been separately reduced by the Trump administration's wider personnel cuts, which began in January, they note.
In total, the National Weather Service lost 600 of its 4,200 staff, according to Tom Fahey, the director of the National Weather Service Union, causing several offices across the country to operate without the necessary staffing.
But Andy Hazelton, a climate scientist who modeled Hurricane Pass for NOAA until he was fired during the layoffs in February, says of the Texas floods, I don't think the staffing issues contributed directly to this event.
They got the watches and they got the warnings out.
That's from the BBC story, their take on cuts and the Texas tragedy.
This is Kathy out of Boca Raton, Florida.
Independent, good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
There's a couple of things.
justice neil gorsuch
And one, I'd like to say I would love it if I don't understand Big Beautiful Bill.
unidentified
I don't understand any of the bills because they have multiple things in them.
A lot of them aren't connected to each other.
I do not understand why we can't make individual issues and have them voted on one by one.
Why does it have to be all put together to where there's something that's 700 pages or 1,000 pages or whatever it is?
It just seems wrong.
And the other thing is, I would love to see them be able to put on some channel on TV what is in that bill.
I don't mean something that somebody has made an abstract out of.
I want to see the whole 900 pages.
I want to read for myself so I can decide what the truth is.
john mcardle
So Kathy, I think the truth is.
You can read it.
Have you tried to read it?
unidentified
I don't know where it is.
john mcardle
So there's several different places you can go to read it.
The Maine congressional website is where you could go for one.
I could pull up the link for you and get that for you as we listen to Andy in Georgetown, Kentucky, Republican.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you.
Just a few things that would be nice if we could discuss sometime, or if you could have someone with some knowledge or background on these subjects here.
The constitutionality of unions in America and also the Communist Control Act of 1954, since that seems to be coming around pretty prevalent now.
And the Johnson Amendment, where he purchased all gods.
And then do away with all 501c3 corporations.
Everybody has to pay for them.
They're all paid through government anyhow.
Everybody, businesses or whoever individuals that contribute, they get to wrap that off their taxes.
Well, the people that pay their taxes have to pay that for them.
So it's not like it's free money or somebody else is doing it.
Everybody has to pitch in and pay for all these, I'll call them institutional religions and all these radio and TV stations.
And sorry about that.
And then the other thing is.
john mcardle
Oh, Andy, got your point.
Let me come back to Kathy's question about finding the one big beautiful bill.
Congress.gov is where you can go at the top of that page.
It's pretty easy.
They have a most viewed bill section, and HR1, the one big, beautiful bill act, is the first one of those.
So, under most viewed bills, you can just click on HR1.
It takes you to all the information about the bill.
And the website there has these tabs along the bottom.
They offer a summary of the bill.
It's fairly long for this one, as you might imagine.
But it also offers the text, the second tab on the bottom, the text of the bill.
And you can go in and you can read the entire one big beautiful bill.
So, congress.gov is the website for Congress and where you can go.
And when somebody says that this is a 700 or 900-page bill, what they're doing usually is printing out that text from congress.gov and it comes out to 700, 900, whatever it is of printed-out pages.
So, that's a good resource to have to be able to read these bills for yourself if that's something that you want to do.
This is Patty in Virginia Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you for taking my call.
I have not called for zillions of years, but I still watch you every day.
And especially, I like the way you are with your callers.
I could go on about that for hours.
But I believe I'm 73 years old, and I've been in this country 48 years, 49 years, and a taxpayer and still working.
I believe that I have not seen anything like this in terms of how changes happened that made everybody think about I, what I like, what I think.
And I think that two things can happen to CSPAN: once in a while, at least you should take the party name off and just ask people to call.
And if they feel like saying I'm a Democrat or blah, blah, they can.
But it will eventually make the ones that have their opposite party talking not go to take something from the refrigerator and switch their ears.
It will get everybody listen to everybody.
But one thing very important for all of us is that to always come with a solution, even though it sounds crazy, because greatest things in the world happen with just an idea, just a thought.
And I start with myself.
I think that if we eliminate, not make new laws, because new laws have now we are very advanced through internet, through money, through money makers, that we can abandon laws.
But if we have authority to block, like for example, if we block the presidents to elect Supreme Court members,
and instead we would have a board that would elect Supreme Court members when one of them dies or resign, as well as if we would block that anyone within the immediate party of the president asked to become a president,
and therefore like Biden did for Obama, then it wouldn't linger into long presidency into Authoritarian think if you know no daughter, no son, no vice president should really become president.
They should decide before they take that position that I'm going to stop the future.
Only the senators and representatives.
So these are the two ideas that will eliminate the third one that I'll apologize taking time.
john mcardle
The third one is Patty, I'll take your two because we are running short on time.
But those are Patty's suggestions for making this country run better.
We have about seven minutes left in our program today, though there is plenty going on in Washington, D.C. throughout the day, including at 11 a.m. Eastern, President Trump is set to hold a cabinet meeting, and we'll be showing that here on C-SPAN and c-SPAN.org and the free C-SPANNOW video app.
You can tune in for that.
9:40 a.m. Eastern this morning, a discussion on AI and crypto technology.
The former chairs of the House Financial Service Committee, Patrick McHenry, will join a discussion on the future of AI, and that's on C-SPAN 2 at 9:40 a.m. Eastern.
11:45 a.m. Eastern, House Speaker Mike Johnson is set to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
That's taking place up here on Capitol Hill.
You can watch, again, live at 11:45 a.m. Eastern.
That's also going to be on c-span.org and the free C-SPAN Now app.
A couple more items taking place this afternoon that you could watch.
The Atlantic Council at 2 p.m. Eastern is holding a discussion on national security challenges and resiliency with policy advocates and former government officials.
And then at 6 p.m. Eastern today, David Rubinstein, the founder of the investment firm Carlisle Group, is going to discuss his most recent book on the American presidency.
It's a discussion taking place at the National Press Club live coverage 6 p.m. Eastern here on C-SPAN, C-SPAN.org, and the free C-SPAN Now video app.
So a lot going on today.
Hope you stay with the C-SPAN networks all day long.
And we will finish out with our open forum for about the next four or five minutes.
This is Frank out of the Keystone State Democrat.
Good morning.
unidentified
Yeah, John.
Unlike a lot of people that call up, I'm a real live emergency management coordinator on the municipal level.
And I am a coordinator on a municipality that borders the Delaware River that has flooded numerous times.
There is some real issues with emergency planning right now in this country, and you see it bearing fruit in Texas right now.
john mcardle
What are those biggest issues, Frank?
unidentified
Well, for one thing, right, there is, I think, a real hesitancy and a fear on the part of state officials with PEMA to having to scrub a lot of their files and whatnot.
And I'm not an environmentalist on this environment and whatnot, which is evidently not in style with FEMA.
Number two, one of the two legislators that voted against this big, beautiful bill was my legislator from Pennsylvania.
You can figure out who it was.
And I have contacted him in April, and I have still not gotten an answer from his office as what the fate of FEMA is going to be.
I'm trying to contact state senators who are trying to make the budget in Pennsylvania.
They're a week and a half late to see if they're budgeting extra dollars for emergency appropriations in case Trump does get rid of FEMA.
This is a scary situation right now.
john mcardle
It's say your area where you are along the Delaware River got $10 million from the state or federal government.
What would be your recommendation on the best, the most effective way to use that?
unidentified
Right now, I've been involved with stormwater management in the town that I live in.
I've been involved with getting rid of 10,000-gallon oil tanks next to the river.
The town right now is a canal town.
And unfortunately, $10 million is not going to help that.
If the river goes above 30 feet, in depth, the town's going to flood.
It's that simple.
I have to get into evacuation, housing people, et cetera.
john mcardle
When's the last time the Delaware River got above 30 feet where you are?
unidentified
It's been since 1903, it happened six times.
The last flood we had was in 2021 with Ida.
It went up to 26 feet high.
john mcardle
And what did that mean for where you are?
unidentified
Well, in the case of Ida, we didn't have much in the way of damage, but the other six floods did damage the town.
The 100-year flood was in 1955, and the river went almost 39 feet deep.
State Route 611 that goes through town had four feet of water in it.
john mcardle
What town is it, Frank?
unidentified
Town of Wrigglesville, Pennsylvania.
john mcardle
And how long did it?
unidentified
Northerly borough in Bucks County.
john mcardle
How long did it take to recover after that flood, that 100-year flood?
unidentified
Well, from what I read, and I was only two years old when it happened.
I worked the 06 flood.
There was a much different situation.
There was a real cooperative effort among a lot of different agencies, but you don't have that today.
And like I said, I don't know.
I was asked at a gathering last week about what areas of Brigglesville are safe from flooding.
And I told them, I said, if we have a flash flood, which we had in Upper Buck in Bucks County two years ago, by Washington's crossing that killed nine people, I said, if we had a flash flood like that, no place in town is safe.
If it's a regular round-of-the-mill flood, there are certain areas that are higher than others.
But like I said, it is not a good situation.
The situation with FEMA, I'm hoping against hope that the administration gets their act together and stops killing FEMA and work with the system is cumbersome, but it is a system.
peter schiff
If you dump it on the states or get rid of the system, people are going to die.
unidentified
And you saw the effort of that in Texas.
john mcardle
And Frank, there's a column in today's Washington Post.
Actually, it's the New York Times.
You might want to read Mary Ann Tierney, the former acting deputy administrator of FEMA.
She worked in emergency management for 25 years.
Her column today about the future of FEMA and funding for FEMA.
If you haven't seen it, it sounds like it's something you might be interested in.
Let me go to Stan.
Last caller today out of Birdstown, Tennessee, Democrat.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, John, a fellow teammate.
I'm oscillating between sorrow and anger watching these flood stories from Texas.
I heard a pause, it's too late, or it's too early to point fingers.
Take after the mass shoot fingers.
In this situation, it's too early to point fingers.
Well, What I I noticed here in in Nashville, my four national television stations, are there the 15 or 20 meteorologists that are that are bring us the the weather on the T V, none of them ever say the four words global warming or climate change.
I just in the 10 or 15 years that I've listened to these four ch channels, they've never mentioned those four words.
I'm wondering, did their employers force them to sign a non-disclosure agreement, an NDA, not to mention those four words?
Wha is that intentional brainwashing?
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