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The Washington Post has a write-up of taking a look at what we may hear later on this afternoon when the president makes that announcement concerning tariffs.
Jeff Stein and David Lynch reporting this warning saying that aides have drafted a proposal to impose tariffs on about 20% on most imports to the United States, according to three people familiar with the matter.
As the president pushes for the most aggressive overhaul of the global economic system in decades, if implemented, the plan is likely to send shockwaves to the stock market and global economy.
Assuming that permanent tariffs took effect in the current quarter and triggered robust retaliation by U.S. trading partners, the economy would almost immediately tumble into a recession that would last for about a year.
This story from the Post adding that White House advisors cautioned that several options are on the table, no final decision has been made.
And it was on Monday evening that the president repeatedly suggested the tariffs would be, quote, reciprocal.
There's more there.
And again, you can find out more later on this afternoon.
A Rose Garden event set to take place at 4 o'clock.
And if you want to watch it on this network, C-SPAN, you can surely do that.
Or you can take advantage of our C-SPAN Now app, our free app, and you can also watch it at C-SPAN.org.
Again, that announcement at 4 o'clock this afternoon.
Taking a look at those special elections, there were two elections in Florida concerning the House of Representatives.
This is the Associated Press for a reporting audit saying that it was Republican Randy Fine, who won his special election in the 6th district to replace Representative Mike Waltz, who stepped down to serve as President Trump's national security advisor.
But his Democratic challenger, Josh Wheel, lost by 14 points less than five months after Waltz won the district by 33 33 points.
Jimmy Petronas, the state's chief financial officer, fended off a challenge from Democrat Gray Vallamont to win the Northwest Florida seat vacated by Matt Gates.
He also underperformed in Gates' last margin of victory.
This Associated Press story is saying the pair of wins gave the Republicans a 220 to 213 margin in the House of Representatives at a time where concerns about a thin GOP majority are.
That's the Associated Press.
And then taking a look at the events concerning the Wisconsin election in that Supreme Court race, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel this morning, Liberal Dane County Judge Susan Crawford scored an unexpectedly easy victory in the high-stakes race for a crucial seat in the state Supreme Court in that most expensive judicial race in history.
She received 55% of the vote to conservative Waukesha County Judge Brad Schimmel, 45% with 82% of the vote in.
According to unofficial results, the decision desk called the race less than an hour after the polls closed at 3 p.m.
So that's the rundown of those special elections.
Again, comment on that, comment on the tariff plans to be announced later on this afternoon.
You can call the lines or you can also post on our social media sites as well.
It was at the White House yesterday with the press secretary Caroline Levitt talked about the president's plans for today and talking about the overall approach to tariffs.
This is Caroline Levitt from yesterday.
karoline leavitt
The ultimate change for these companies in these countries, Mark, will happen when they decide to do business in the United States of America.
And as I just laid out, they will face no tariffs at all if these companies choose to invest here in the United States and to move their production and their manufacturing here to the United States as well.
As for tomorrow, the president will be addressing the decades of unfair trade practices that have ripped our country off and American workers off.
unidentified
It has hollowed out our middle class.
It has destroyed our heartland.
karoline leavitt
And the president is focused on reshifting our global economy to ensure that America is once again the manufacturing superpower of the world.
unidentified
So if they do something today or later in the week that's a pledge for future activity, would that be good enough potentially to alter the policy?
karoline leavitt
Again, the president has been looking at the very unfair trade practices of the past.
Certainly, the president is always up to take a phone call, always up for a good negotiation, but he is very much focused on fixing the wrongs of the past and ensuring that American workers have a fair shake.
pedro echevarria
Again, that was from yesterday, and we'll show you some more reaction on Capitol Hill as well.
Let's start with Pete Massachusetts Democrats line talking about special elections or the tariff plans for today.
Pete, good morning.
unidentified
Victory in what's called statement.
You know, Pete, I apologize.
pedro echevarria
I'm going to have to pause you there.
Only I'm going to put you on hold, and then I want you to try to see if you can improve the connection.
You're going in and out.
So let's try Rob.
Rob in New York, Independent line.
Hi.
unidentified
Good morning, Pedro.
I was just a little disgusted that none of the government's work got done because the idiot from New Jersey stood up there with his friends for 20-some hours.
You know, there's so much going on right now that needs work.
And these Democrats, all they're doing is getting in the way of progress.
pedro echevarria
So, tariff announcements today and those special elections.
What do you think about either of those?
unidentified
I think it's great that we're having these tariffs because I'm sick of our country being screwed by other countries.
And as far as those other races go, the two in Florida, I'm really glad the Republicans held those seats because the Democrats are just obstructionists.
They have no plan.
They have no anything.
And they certainly don't have any ethics if they're willing to just, you know, throw our government to the curb like they've done.
You know, this is just pitiful, Pedro.
And look what they've done with the 20 million illegal aliens that are here.
And they're still fighting to keep them here.
Okay.
pedro echevarria
Okay.
That's Rob there in New York.
He talked about tariffs.
USA Today takes a look at tracking the trade war, several graphics when it comes to the topic of tariffs.
And one of the sections there, tariffs currently imposed against the United States.
It breaks down just some of the countries.
It's not an exhaustive list, but when it comes to Canada, 25% tariffs on $155 billion worth of U.S. products, including meat, dairy beverages, spices, steel, and aluminum.
In China, a 15% tariff imposed against the United States on coal, liquefied natural gas, chicken, wheat, corn, and cotton, a 10% tariff imposed on crude oil, agro-machinery vehicles, soybeans, meat, and dairy.
In the European Union, a 25% tariff on products, including agricultural products, tobacco, textiles, steel, and aluminum products.
And then when it comes to Mexico, saying that there's no formal retaliatory tariffs listed for the country of Mexico, again, USA Today takes a look at those topics and breaks down some of those tariffs.
Florida is next Democrats line.
This is Sandy.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi.
I wanted to comment on District 6.
Randy Fine won in Florida.
He was replacing Wallace in his area.
Now, Randy Fine didn't even live in his district.
He just left the Senate of Florida and they couldn't stand him there.
So get ready for another Marjorie Taylor Green type that's going to be in the House.
And basically, he's very unprofessional.
He was a gambling executive.
He just got elected, I believe, in 2022.
He's going to do everything that Trump wants him to do.
In his professional career, he called one of the school board members a whore here in Florida during a session.
These are the type of people that don't even respect anything about Florida.
So it's going to be an interesting ride for the people in District 6.
They went from a decent guy to like a horrible guy.
pedro echevarria
Okay, that's Sandy there in Florida.
Let's hear from Senator Chuck Schumer, the minority leader in the Senate, talking about the tariff plans for the administration to be announced later today.
chuck schumer
President Trump says, quote, I couldn't care less if prices go up to American families.
America, you hear that?
Donald Trump says he couldn't care less if you pay more.
And it's not just a little.
The estimates go as high as $6,500 more for the average American family.
To the family that's sitting down Friday night and trying to figure out, do they have enough money to go on that vacation or to visit grandma or maybe to buy a car?
Take away $6,500 and those dreams are out the window.
And Trump couldn't care less?
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
And so many jobs will be lost.
In New York alone, we estimate that over 200,000 jobs could be lost.
We have the Canadian border.
In a city called Plattsburgh, on the northern border in Clinton County, 20% of the companies are Canadian-owned or Canadian-affiliated.
Plattsburgh will just go into deep recession if this happens.
So we're not going to let, we're going to do everything we can to fight.
And oh, the most galling thing of all, why is he doing this?
As Tim outlined, it's not fentanyl.
You know, they always make up an excuse because they have no justification for what they're really doing.
In this case, they say fentanyl, but the amount of fentanyl that comes over the Canadian border is minuscule.
They're doing it so they raise revenue so they can give tax cuts to the billionaires like everything else.
The whole government is geared, whether it's Social Security or Medicaid or Medicare or housing or agriculture.
The whole government is geared to create the dollars that can give tax breaks to the billionaires.
pedro echevarria
Chuck Schumer from yesterday, when it comes to products and tariffs that are affected when they enter the United States, stealing aluminum worldwide at 25%.
Goods from other countries importing oil from, goods from countries importing oil from Venezuela, again, worldwide, 25%.
All products from Canada or Mexico, 25%.
All products from China, 20%.
When it comes to automotive products, worldwide, 25%.
Potash, a type of mineral that's used for plant growth and other things, 25% each from Canada and Mexico.
And then overall in the category of energy, that's 10%.
Again, these are products also listed outside the initial trade agreement with the United States and Canada.
Let's hear from Frank in Poughkeepsie, New York, Independent Line.
unidentified
Yes.
His tariffs are going to destroy this country.
I mean, these mega people, they're agreeing with everything he's doing.
So allow him to destroy the country.
And I guess what they say, Moses tried to tell them a flood was coming, and they didn't listen.
pedro echevarria
Well, when you say they're going to destroy the country, what convinces you that the tariffs are going to be bad for the country?
What specifically?
unidentified
Oh, man, the attacks on Canada, the attacks on the European nations, China.
I mean, obviously the man doesn't know what he's doing.
But, you know, the MAGA folks put them in there, and I guess they want what they want.
Like I say, though, like I was saying before, Moses tried to tell the people this place was going to flood, and they laughed at him.
And they all drowned.
So I guess sometimes ignorance needs to be drowned.
pedro echevarria
Okay.
Alexis is next in Detroit, Independent Line.
Hi there.
unidentified
Hi.
bev harris
Yeah, first I want to say I have never voted for Trump, would never vote for Trump or any of his MAGA people.
unidentified
So to counteract what the previous caller just said, I am not make America great at all.
However, the old saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
And that's how I feel about these tariffs.
I hate to agree with what Trump's doing.
It really bothers me, but I do agree with it.
And my question is to the liberal, progressive, Democrat, whatever.
Why weren't you doing this?
So-called for the working class of America.
Why didn't Biden bring this up?
Why didn't Obama bring this stuff up?
Somebody should have shifted Reagan's policies a long time ago, and Trump's doing it, and I hope it works.
Because my whole thing is, wait a minute, please don't interrupt.
My whole thing is with what, you know, and I don't trust anything Trump says.
He's a pathological compulsor.
pedro echevarria
Well, why do you agree with him on tariffs then?
unidentified
This is why.
Because of the unfairness.
The dairy thing with Canada, wait a minute, what?
Canada can export their dairy to us and the rest of the world, but we can't export our dairy to them.
That's ridiculous and it's unfair.
karen russo
And it's like people have said, we as the American workers have gotten short shrift from, again, I hate to use the MAGA term, but the globalists.
unidentified
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, all these so-called liberal people, all they care about is Wall Street.
pedro echevarria
Okay.
Okay, Alexis there in Detroit.
A caller from England this morning.
This is Paul, who identifies as a Republican.
But Paul, your thoughts on either the tariff announcement or the special elections here in the United States.
unidentified
Hello there.
We all expected Donald Trump to win this election last night.
So that's expected.
But I think he might just lead to Republicans might just win the next election.
You never know.
So this might be the start of more sensitivity things to come, I think, I reckon.
In my view, anyway.
pedro echevarria
Do you mean the special elections are an indicator of what might happen in future elections?
unidentified
Supreme Court, is it the Supreme Court or something or whatever?
I don't know.
pedro echevarria
Oh, the Wisconsin election, the Wisconsin.
Okay.
Jim in Missouri, good morning to you.
Calling on our line for Democrats.
You're next up.
unidentified
Howdy.
Let me repeat the point that you all seem to be ignoring.
Tariffs raise prices on American consumers.
They are paid not by China, Canada, or whatever.
They are paid by the importers that pass on the cost to us.
It is not a net gain.
It does not bring wealth to Americans.
It's a tax on everybody in America.
Trump seems to miss that point.
Sorry, but we can't bring everything back.
Champagne is made in a specific region of France.
You cannot make champagne in America.
You cannot grow coffee in America or cocoa or bananas.
You cannot bring everything back.
The wonder of our economy is globalization.
Thanks, Pedro.
pedro echevarria
Okay.
Jim and there in Missouri, the money section of USA Today, taking a look at the topic of tariffs.
This is from their front page of the money section saying that the U.S. imported more goods in January than in any other month since the government started tracking the data as people raced to stock up.
Ahead of the president announced tariffs, the import surge was driven by sharp increases from the United States' three largest trading partners, China, Canada, and Mexico.
According to a USA Today analysis of recent trade data by the U.S. Census, together those nations provide nearly half of the foreign goods consumed in the U.S., and they are the key targets of tariffs that took effect last month.
More tariffs, including a 25% tariffs on autos and auto parts, scheduled to begin today.
Again, that's just part of the general announcement when it comes to that tariff plan liberation day, as the president dubbed it.
You can comment on that.
Some of you commenting on these special elections there as well.
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From Texas, Republican line, this is Willie.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you for making that, for putting off that clip from Chuck Schwartz.
Chuck Schuer, because he said exactly right when he was talking about all of the money, all of the revenue in his words that he said, that's going to come from these tariffs.
Love it.
Thank you, Chuck, because the fact is that we are tired, tired of getting snookered by these other countries.
And it's amazing that I don't care, Democrat, Republican, president, whatever, it's about time somebody actually looked at this and said, this is not right.
We decide, we determine ourselves to be independent in that, and that we should let other countries just take advantage of our good nature.
So, Chuck Schumer, keep saying that because people understand what revenue means.
That means more money in their pocket and more freedom to do what they want.
pedro echevarria
If you are okay with this approach, then and you hear about the possibility of short-term economic harm coming from it, what's your level of concern of that?
unidentified
My level of concern is wait it out, okay, just like he did in his first term, President Trump did in his first term, and when the economy was roaring, okay, and jobs were plentiful, okay?
So, wait for it, wait it out.
Yes, maybe in the beginning, you know, it's going to take some adjustment, but I guarantee that that revenue, as Chuck Schumer said, is going to come through like gangbusters.
pedro echevarria
Okay, Willie and Texas there, some of you posting on our Facebook page this morning.
This is Gail Sissel about the election, specifically the Florida election, the House election there, saying the Florida election was a referendum against Trump.
These two guys should have won by much larger margins than they did.
Mike Vernon about the Wisconsin election.
George Soros' candidate won.
Criminals will go punished.
Laws will be ignored, he adds.
Pab Stery with the word reciprocal in all caps, then adding it doesn't get more fair than that.
And then Jeff McChrystal adding in, given the chance, tariffs will bring back in line.
And then Brian Hutchinson, also from Facebook, saying, economists warn that these tariffs are a bad idea because they will increase inflation.
They will not bring jobs back to the country and it will only create tensions between us and other countries.
The president's doing a really good job at turning the USA into an isolationist country.
Again, if you want to post on our Facebook page, it's facebook.com/slash C-SPAN.
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Illinois is next.
This is from Republican line.
This is Ron.
Hello.
unidentified
Yeah, how are you doing?
First of all, could you do a favor and pull up the map of the counties in red that Trump won and the counties in blue that Harris won?
I don't think your Democratic voters watch have ever seen how this election, how Trump won the vote this year.
These tariffs, you know, these tariffs that he's, reciprocal tariffs he's putting on, originally Europe needed a tariffs after World War II to help rebuild their economies, rebuild their countries, because they were all destroyed.
And we were okay with it then.
Well, World War II is over.
The tariffs haven't stopped.
Why is it okay for Canada to protect their dairy farmers by doing 100% tariff on our goods?
But we're not okay.
It's not okay for America to protect its people with the same reciprocal tariffs.
I think that this is what Trump ran on.
Put that map on the TV for your Democratic callers because they're ignorant to the fact of how much this country wants this change.
pedro echevarria
Okay.
That's Ron there in Illinois.
This is from the Wall Street Journal this morning.
This is about the tariff side of what's occurring today.
But they add that China is seeking to coordinate its response to U.F. tariffs with Japan and South Korea.
According to Chinese state media reporting on Monday, Japanese and Korean officials said there was no decision to coordinate action with Beijing, but that the counties, the countries, discussed trade issues during three-way talks over the weekend, the first such dialogue in five years.
A social media account run by China State Broadcaster said in a post on Monday that the three countries will strengthen dialogue on supply chain cooperation and export controls.
This U.S., the Wall Street Journal story saying that the three are major trader partners in the U.S., earning high trade surpluses, Japan and South Korea are among the top auto exporters and steel suppliers to the United States.
From Sharon, who joins us from Maryland, Democrats line hi.
unidentified
Oh, good morning, Pedro.
How are you doing this morning?
And God bless America every day.
I was calling about these tariffs and the closing down of the federal government buildings.
And Donald Trump, people need to just use their mind and their brain.
You need to impeach Donald Trump because he's going to tear this country down.
We got children.
You know, this in the midst of this, that Donald Trump having this payback syndrome going on with him.
He's not in his right mind.
He doesn't need to be in office.
And the senators need to get him out of office before he tears this country down because Putin is very happy about this.
China is happy.
All these countries is looking at our country.
It's feeling good because they know Donald Trump is the man that's going to take this country down.
And men in the military, they need to speak up and let Donald Trump know you can't do this to our country.
It's not right.
It's not fair.
Okay.
pedro echevarria
Okay.
Sharon there in Maryland.
Let's hear from North Carolina, Republican line, Aaliyah.
Hello.
unidentified
Yes.
So this is, and I just tuned in, so I may have missed some things, but this is my theme with the tariffs.
I feel like, okay, America was on board with boycotting companies like Target and different companies.
But he is basically saying, like, not boycotting, but we're boycotting buying from other countries.
And then no one wants to jump on board.
Like, we are the United States.
We can keep our money here, buy items here in the United States.
Let's not buy items from them right now until we get to a decision.
You know?
pedro echevarria
Aaliyah, there in North Carolina, Politico, takes a look at those two House elections that we told you about previously and adds this as part of their analysis, saying in the two deep red House districts in Florida, Republicans had lower than expected margins as they clinched the safe seats vacated by, quote, America First Royalty, only after sending in national and state reinforcements, including the president himself, to drum up support.
And in Wisconsin, they suffered a crushing defeat in a record-breakingly expensive Supreme Court case after Elon Musk's money and personality dominated the contest.
Liberal Judge Susan Crawford secured nine-point victory against Mr. Trump's endorsed candidate, Brad Schimmel.
Quote, I'm honestly shocked.
I thought we had it in the bag, said Pam Van Handel, chair of the Republican Party of Wisconsin's Outagami County.
I thought Mr. Musk was going to be an asset for us.
People love Trump, but maybe they don't love everybody he supports.
Maybe I have blinders on.
It also quotes the mayor of Wanpoon, Wisconsin, Ron Rowan Bishop, saying, and he's also the former chairman of the Republican Party in Fond du Lac, admitting that the race, quote, froze up a bunch of warning signs for that midterm election.
Again, that's Politico's take on the events of yesterday when it comes to those special elections that took place and also the Wisconsin Supreme Court case.
You can comment on those elections if you wish and the results there.
Several of you commenting on tariffs this morning, too, either.
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Ethan is from Virginia, Independent Line.
unidentified
Hi, yes.
With regard to tariffs, in the short term, you know, the costs of tariffs are passed on to the American consumer.
And in the long term, in my view, you know, while tariffs can help incubate and foster investment into domestic industry, generally what happens is that they serve in a protectionist manner, which means that our domestic manufacturers produce an inferior product, which makes us less globally competitive in the long term.
You know, this auto parts tariff and assembled auto tariff will effectively eliminate or reduce competition from overseas markets, forcing Americans to buy American cars, which is a great thing.
But it can't come at the expense of the quality and competitiveness of the vehicle.
And I fear that it will.
And, you know, after a number of years, what that means is that we will have less success exporting autos and others.
Thank you.
pedro echevarria
Ethan, there in Virginia, four o'clock is the time when that announcement takes place at the White House.
If you want to watch it, you can tune to our this channel, C-SPAN, if you want to see it there, or you have a couple other options.
Our free video app is C-SPAN now.
You can watch the president's announcements on tariffs on that, as well as our website at c-span.org.
Jane is in Brooklyn, New York, Democrats line.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, good morning, Pedro.
How are you?
pedro echevarria
Fine, thank you.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yes, I'm calling you and the American people to think a little bit harder about what we want for our future.
I just want to recommend Corey Booker for his amazing long speech.
And that's an amazing thing to have happen.
I also want to tell people: how can you trust someone like Elon Musk?
How?
I mean, he brings his child to the Oval Office and disrespects the president.
Even though I wouldn't vote for him, I would never do that or have my kids do something like that.
We're in weird times, and I think that it's time to fight back against, sadly, our government and protect our democracy.
pedro echevarria
Okay, Jane there in Brooklyn, New York, talking about, amongst other things, the Wisconsin special election, at least referring to it when it comes to Elon Musk, who played a large part in trying to get the Republican candidate, the Supreme Court candidate, to win.
But you can comment on that as well.
She also briefly mentoring a record that was broken in the Senate by a Democratic senator from New Jersey, Corey Booker.
25 hours plus when it comes to his floor speech that started earlier this week, the Associated Press reporting that in that feat of determination, the Democratic senator held the Senate floor with that marathon speech, lasted all night into Tuesday night.
He took the Senate floor Monday evening saying he would remain there as long as he was, quote, physically able.
It wasn't until 25 hours and five minutes later that the 55-year-old senator, a former football tight end, finished speaking, limped off the floor.
It set the record for the longest continuous floor speech in the chamber's history.
Booker was assisted by fellow Democrats who gave him a break from speaking, asking him questions on the Senate floor.
This also adds by standing on the floor more than a night in a day and refusing to leave, he had broken a record set 68 years ago by then Senator Strom Thurman of South Carolina, a segregationist and Southern Democrat to filibuster the advance of the Civil Rights Act in 1957.
And Senator Booker was asked about that record he broke and particularly the man who held the record previously, Strom Thurmond.
Here are some of those comments from yesterday.
unidentified
I was very aware of Strom Thurmond's record since I've gotten to the Senate.
cory booker
I always felt that it was a strange shadow to hang over this institution, that the longest speech, all the issues that have come up, all the noble causes that people have done or the things that took people to try to stop.
found it strange that he had the record and as a guy who grew up with the legends of the civil rights movement myself of my parents and other their friends it just would seem wrong to me always seem wrong I had this hope that Chris Murphy would do it, actually.
unidentified
So I definitely had it on my mind.
cory booker
But as Chris and I joked, I'm nine years older than when he and I did it for 15 hours, and my back was sore and my legs were hurting.
unidentified
So I just didn't know if I could.
So I didn't want to set any expectations.
The mission was really to elevate the voices of Americans, to tell some of their really painful stories, very emotional stories, and to let go and let God do the rest.
pedro echevarria
We'll hear from Gregory in New Jersey.
Independent Line, you're next.
Gregory in New Jersey, hello.
unidentified
Yes, hello.
My comment is on a couple of things.
First of all, Trump wants to pass his budget, but he wants to dump on the American people the taxes, the raise the budget, and we're going to pay for the taxes, all the people.
And the second thing I want to comment on is the elections.
He's only talking about the rich getting richer.
America Great means that we're going to get the bill and we're going to have to pay for it.
And he doesn't give a damn about nobody.
They don't want to pay taxes to rich people.
They want us to all get the bill and skim for ourselves.
pedro echevarria
Okay, Carla, let me stop you there only because your volume dropped drastically.
So, but got your thought in again, 202-748-8,000, one for Republicans, 2022-748-8,000 for Democrats.
And Independents, 202, 748-8,000,2, the numbers to call if you want to comment on these events of the last day.
Some of you taking to social media and other means to give us your thoughts too.
Texting us, this is Margaret in Illinois saying, I support the tariffs.
We need the cash flow, but it's too late.
China has surpassed us, and the American people are onto the game.
We're going down.
Again, that's Margaret from Illinois.
William Wall saying the victories in Florida are great news, and it's very sad Republicans didn't get out to vote in Wisconsin.
I hope they don't regret it, he adds.
Cindy Castro talking overall in the sense that there's too much money in politics and the entire system is flawed.
And then Scott Nobles from Facebook saying, not surprised about Florida closer than I thought they would be.
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