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Congressman Raul Grijalva in Tucson.
He passed away earlier this month at the age of 77.
Tomorrow, members will consider repealing another Biden administration energy efficiency rule, that one for walk-in coolers and freezers.
Final votes on the bills debated this week will happen tomorrow.
Watch live coverage of the House here on C-SPAN.
jimmy carter
Democracy is always an unfinished creation.
ronald reagan
Democracy is worth dying for.
george h w bush
Democracy belongs to us all.
bill clinton
We are here in the sanctuary of democracy.
george w bush
Great responsibilities fall once again to the great democracies.
barack obama
American democracy is bigger than any one person.
donald j trump
Freedom and democracy must be constantly guarded and protected.
unidentified
We are still at our core, a democracy.
donald j trump
This is also a massive victory for democracy and for freedom.
john mcardle
The headline, here are the attack plans that Trump advisors shared on Signal.
Jeffrey Goldberg and Shane Harris writing that on Monday, shortly after we published a story about a massive Trump administration security breach, a reporter asked the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth why he had shared plans about a forthcoming attack on Yemen on the Signal messaging app.
He answered, nobody was texting war plans, and that's all I have to say about that.
At the Senate hearing yesterday, the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, and Director of CIA John Ratcliffe were both asked about the signal chat to which Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, was inadvertently invited by Michael Walsh to join.
There was no classified material that was shared, Gabbard told members of the intelligence committee.
President Donald Trump, asked yesterday afternoon about the same matter, said it wasn't classified information.
They write, these statements presented us, the Atlantic, with a dilemma.
In the Atlantic's initial story about the Signal chat, the Houthi PC small group, as it was named, we withheld specific information related to weapons and to the timing of attacks that we found in certain texts.
As a general rule, we do not publish information about military operations if the information could possibly jeopardize the lives of U.S. personnel.
That's why we chose to characterize the nature of the information being shared.
The statements by Hegseth and Gabbard and Ratcliffe and Trump, combined with the assertion made by numerous administration officials that we were lying about the contents of the signal text, have led us to believe that people should see the texts in order to reach their own conclusions.
There is a clear public interest in disclosing the sort of information that Trump advisors included in non-secure communication channels, especially because senior administration figures are attempting to downplay the significance of the messages that were shared.
That from the Atlantic story that just published about 8.15 a.m. this morning, they also published the full text chain that Jeffrey Goldberg was included on the Houthi PC small group on March 15th.
A team update from Pete Hegseth reads that the weather is favorable.
We've just confirmed with Central Command that we are go for a mission launch.
This was the attack on the Houthi rebels at 12.15 Eastern Time that day.
F-18s launched at 1.45 p.m.
F-18 first strike window starts.
Also, strike drones launch at 2.10.
More F-18s launch at 2.15.
Strike drones are on target.
This is when the first bombs will definitely drop at 3.36.
F-18 second strike starts and so on with what was happening amid this strike.
Again, that was back on March the 15th.
These were the texts that were not included in the original Atlantic story.
That story just coming out, assume it might be a topic of conversation in this open forum.
There's a little over a half hour before the House comes in, so we'll just take your calls.
This is Douglas in Herndon, Virginia.
Democrat, good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
So I'm one of those guys that's going to be coming up on Social Security.
Is that going to be going very well?
john mcardle
I'm assuming that's a question for Shia Cabus, is what you're thinking, Douglas, who is just with us.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
john mcardle
Do you think it's going to go very well for you?
unidentified
No.
I don't trust Trump.
He's the worst president we've ever had.
john mcardle
That's Douglas in Virginia.
We'll stay in Virginia with Tracy in Fredericksburg, Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi there.
I missed calling in with the last guest.
And I wanted to know if C-SPAN would have a program about how the debt works.
And my understanding is since we issue the currency for the United States, that until the money is actually spent, that's when it's actually, you know, actually added to the debt.
And so all of this talk about people getting $5,000 dividends from the savings for Doge is just simply not accurate because there isn't like a savings account that comes out of Doge.
So I think it's really important that we understand how our money works and our taxes work.
And clearly, we need to raise revenue, not just cut spending.
And I suggest that we look at our inheritance taxes, that we look at our required minimum distributions because there's a lot of money in the baby boomers, the well-off ones.
But importantly, we actually need to have the IRS rehire people that actually look for the lost taxes.
I mean, it's billions of dollars every year that's lost because we just don't have anyone who can track that money down.
And so that's what I have to say.
Thank you.
john mcardle
Tracy in Fredericksburg, and we'll stay in the Commonwealth.
In Richmond, it's Kendra, Republican.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, good morning, John.
I have a couple of things I want to say during open forum, and I won't be long, so please don't cut me off.
I voted for Trump for the first time in 2024, and I have no regrets about that.
I appreciate that he wants to get rid of the wasteful spending.
I do question some of the people Trump selected for his administration, though, but hopefully he will fire some of the incompetent ones.
To Republican and independent viewers that have been calling in complaining about the C-SPAN channel, C-SPAN is an unbiased station that covers Congress, and C-SPAN truly is an unbiased channel.
I think your gripe is with Washington Journal, the segment you view or listen to between the hours of 7 a.m. and 10 a.m., which for the last couple of years seems to be leaning more towards the left.
I'd like to wish Byron Donald good luck for running for the governor of Florida.
I would also like to wish Winsom Sears good luck, who she's running for the governor of Virginia.
And lastly, I'd like to say someone mentioned Jasmine Crockett earlier this morning.
Well, most people realize that Jasmine Crockett is a disgrace to the black race.
Have a nice day.
john mcardle
That's Kendra in Virginia.
This is Greg in Ohio.
Democrat, good morning.
unidentified
Deny, deflect, and keep it moving.
This is the Republican Party and Trump strategy on everything that happens, whether it be policy, budget, whatever.
And this is a classic case of DUI versus DEI.
PSF was replaced by four-star general Lloyd, who was in charge of an army.
And when Lloyd had prostate cancer, they absolutely tried to destroy him by not reporting to his superiors in a chain of command that he was in hospital for prostate cancer.
They wanted him to resign just because he was sick.
So take what happened the other day.
Here it is, his replacement.
He is a company commander in a National Guard who was in charge of nothing.
And he made an absolute judgment in his error.
The honorable thing to do is to resign, but he won't because it's the glory and the honor.
He will not do it.
And Congress, they're spyless.
They have a House and the Senate.
Nothing's going to happen to him.
Absolutely nothing.
And you Republicans would keep on calling in and giving Donald Trump a free pass.
They just showed you a primary source of everything that was mentioned short of giving coordinates for the attacks.
And yet you still call in and just dismiss it like it's nothing.
Just imagine if it was Obama or Biden who did this.
You will call for his impeachment.
It's just a pop call in the kettle black.
john mcardle
Got your point.
That's Greg.
Moore from The Atlantic, the story that was just published within the past hour and 10 minutes or so, publishing the full text chain, including information about the launching of fighters, the launching of drones, when bombs would be dropping the full text chain published.
Yesterday, Jeffrey Goldberg writes in this latest piece, we asked officials across the Trump administration if they objected to us publishing the full text in emails to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and so on.
Later yesterday, White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt emailed a response, quote, as we have repeatedly stated, there was no classified information transmitted in the group chat.
However, as the CIA director and the National Security Advisor have both expressed today, that does not mean that we encourage the release of the conversation.
This was intended to be an internal and private deliberation amongst high-level senior staff, and sensitive information was discussed.
So for those reasons, yes, we object to the release.
The Levitt statement did not address which elements of the text the White House considered sensitive or how more than a week after the initial airstrikes, their publication could have been had some bearing on national security.
The story goes on from there.
That's the newest story.
The headline again, here are the attack plans that the Trump advisors shared on Signal.
The administration has downplayed the importance of the text messages inadvertently sent to the Atlantic's editor-in-chief.
That would be Jeffrey Goldberg.
This is Douglas in Laramie, Wyoming, Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
On Sunday, March 23rd, one of your listeners asked about the origin of the American two-party political system.
Her curiosity is likely to be well satisfied by the article at archives.gov/slash files slash legislative slash resources slash e-books slash two-party system, the two-party system, a revolution in American politics, 1824 to 1840.
The article gives plenty of historical information about the formation and establishment of political parties in America.
In reference to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, I say the Biden administration was weak, dilatory, and pusilanimous.
To say that there is no military way to end Russia's war on Ukraine will embolden Vladimir Putin, who is not to be trusted.
john mcardle
That's Douglas in Wyoming.
This is John in Louisiana.
Republican, good morning.
unidentified
Yeah, deja vu, 60 years ago, I was a second lieutenant sitting on nuclear alert, and that is obviously very, very, very secret type stuff, the targeting and all of that stuff.
And what I'm seeing on the screen here now, it's already happened.
And I don't think the Hookies had anything in the amounts of a way to stop it that the Soviet Union would have had in an all-out nuclear war.
So it's kind of one of these things about, yeah, apparently this information went out there, but what was the harm?
And I just don't see it about that everybody's got their hair on fire and running in circles.
It's much to do about nothing, especially in that war.
And they've been doing this, I don't know, for what, several years now, the carrier strike forces have been striking these same targets.
So it isn't like they don't know they're coming.
They do know they're coming.
And so I mean, it is.
In my experience of what I saw, you know, here 60 years ago of war plans, because I was going to be in the airplane that was going to be dropping the bombs at the end of that secret mission.
And it's just my two cents of this of an old warrior that I'm 82 years old.
I had a 35-year stint in the Air Force and then flew other airplanes.
And I just can't get really excited about it.
But it doesn't make good copy.
john mcardle
What was that plane that you were sitting in?
Do you remember what kind of plane it was?
unidentified
Well, many pains.
One was a B-52, and then I flew KC-135s, and then I flew KC-10s, and then I flew for Delta Airlines.
So I've flown a lot of stuff.
john mcardle
John, thanks for telling us about it out of Louisiana.
Members of Congress, weighing in on this latest Atlantic story on the full text exchange.
Senator John Fetterman, the Democrat of Pennsylvania, saying, Do discuss on signal your March Madness bracket.
Do not disclose on signal the timing when American fighters will strike terrorist targets.
Lethality is incompatible with this sloppiness, is the senator's remarks from just a couple minutes ago.
This is Faye in Ithaca, New York.
Democrat, good morning.
unidentified
Hi, John.
I haven't been able to get through until before the elections.
And forgive me if my phone cuts me off because it tends to do that.
I want to first say I'm glad that Leonard Poltaire was let out of jail and he's in house arrest, which I wish wasn't the case, but I'm glad that he's out of jail and he's free.
I want to tell you that, first of all, I'm worried about censoring of the press.
Very, very worried about that.
Starting with C-SPAN, I don't want to see you guys going to the right.
I don't feel that you're going to the left.
You try to be in the middle, which is very fair for all your callers.
But John, listen, I'm very distraught.
I'm sorry.
I'm very nervous right now because I can't, I'm terrified of what's happening in our country.
This is a coup, what's happened now.
And I don't say that lightly.
I'm a very informed individual.
I watch the BBC, which I love.
I watch your show.
I watch PBS News Hour.
And then I also watch the other major networks as well.
But honestly, what Fox has done really bringing out misinformation.
I feel as a Democrat, yes, the Democrats have made a lot of mistakes in this election run, and they need to pull their act together because we can't have this authoritarian government taking over.
The other thing I wanted to ask.
john mcardle
Faye, I got your point.
Let me get to Christopher in Highland, Illinois, Independent.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hello.
Yes.
Thank you for taking my call.
Yeah, I just kind of want to say, as far as trying to become more bipartisan and everything, kind of on what we were talking about earlier with the previous guests and relating it to their current signal situation, we have to be able to call a spade a spade.
Yesterday, Gabbard, Ratcliffe, they're all claiming that this didn't exist, and then they claimed that it did exist.
Then they claimed that there was nothing classified.
Then they claimed that there was nothing about targeting.
They just kept pushing it further and further back.
michael braverman
And while I think there is certainly lots of times that, you know, the Democrats are a little dramatic about some of the things that happen in the Trump White House, we have to be able to admit when something actually royally does happen that screws up and puts people at risk.
john mcardle
Well, Christopher, we're set to hear from DNI Director Tulsi Gabbard and John Bradcliffe, the CIA director, again in about 19 minutes.
They're set to testify before the House Intelligence Committee.
We're airing it over on C-SPAN 3 when that happens.
What are you expecting from them in the wake of this news story that just came out about an hour and a half ago?
unidentified
I wanted some sort of accountability and apology.
Like one, for just blatantly lying in the hearing yesterday, which I mean, hey, that's not my opinion.
That's just if you wish it, that's what happened.
michael braverman
And again, like, we can disagree as Americans on a lot of things, but if we start claiming that the sky isn't blue, then we have serious, serious, serious problems.
unidentified
And God bless to everybody, both sides of the aisle.
I want everyone to get along and be happy, but we've got to do better.
The sky is blue.
john mcardle
That's Christopher in Illinois.
Back to the Buckeye State.
Kendall Republican, good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
And first of all, let's focus on the facts that, number one, this was a military success.
And if you can compare this to the failure of Afghanistan, I heard someone mention about the previous general compared to our current leadership.
I would say that this was much more successful, and we need to just get, you know, just stick with the facts.
And Republicans should quit answering hypothetical questions.
Yeah, this is something that already happened after it was published.
And I mean, it happened before it was published.
And no Americans died.
Thank God.
And we should just keep moving forward as a nation.
john mcardle
That's Kendall.
This is LaFay in Jacksonville, Florida.
Democrat, good morning.
unidentified
Good morning.
Thank you for taking my call.
My question is: what is going to really be made to happen to those who were responsible for that chat?
I understand that the chat was used when Trump was in office before because they didn't want certain conversations to go into archives.
Well, now this is going to go into archives.
And I think that if this was a Democrat that was in leadership, we would have been held responsible.
And I think that responsibility needs to be held across the board.
And to the woman who said that Crockett is a disgrace, no, no.
We as a people, African Americans, we need to start standing up and saying what we need to say through being in our place.
Thank you.
john mcardle
That's LaFay.
This is Ed, Columbia Station, Ohio.
Republican, good morning.
unidentified
I'm a 30-year-old.
This is a big button burger.
The media's melting as much as it can, obviously.
And then your Democrat callers, you're like, oh, this is a cover of nothing's being done.
How about, let's go back to Fast and Periods.
300 other callers, your Democrats, they all are the same.
They weren't held responsible.
It cost loans and deaths.
Bengali, I mean, Fast and Fears, Obama did.
Guns given to the cartel, and they lost them all.
There's guns still out there.
Nothing was ever done.
Ben Guy, nothing was done.
It cost with Secretary of State Clinton.
And all her emails, you know, she caught beach button and everything.
Goes on.
john mcardle
That's Ed.
This is Kathleen in Dayton, Ohio.
Democrat.
Good morning.
unidentified
Thank you.
Hey, I've been watching Washington Journal and using C-SPAN for 35 years, so appreciate you guys.
But last month, you guys had David Daioud on on February 15th, a guest from, let's see, what's it called, Defense of Democracies.
And, you know, I've gone through your archives.
You guys have really dropped the ball on Gaza and what's going on.
We know that over 700 Palestinians have been massacred over the last week and a half.
And I haven't heard anything.
I looked through your archives.
The last time you guys have covered the hostage issues like four times over the last six months.
But you really haven't had any really important, well-informed guests on like Diana Buto, a Palestinian attorney, or say the UN Special Rapporteur to Gaza, Francesca Albanese, who's made declarations that Israel is indeed committing genocide.
You have her on as a guest, or Mustafa Barghouti.
You just haven't had any Palestinian guests, or you haven't really even reported.
Our tax dollars are going to those to the Palestinians being killed by Israel.
And I just wish you guys would cover that more.
And I'm encouraging your public to, since you guys haven't been covering it and MSNBC not, Ayman Moy Hedin has, but people should be watching Ammanpour and company, Go into Democracy Now, PBS, BBC, Al Jazeera, because many U.S. media outlets are not covering this issue.
And no one covered the Arab plan for Gaza, not Washington Journal either.
No one even touched the issue for the reconstruction plan for Gaza.
You guys should do a whole program on that, on the Arab plan for Gaza, as well as the three reports on the international reports on determining that Israel is an apartheid state.
So I think you guys are really dropping the ball on Gaza and what's happening for the Palestinians.
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