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tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Numbers that they stick.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		We're putting them on the screen as well.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yeah, perfect.
unidentified		12,000 ships.
unidentified		It's a lot of ships.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		It tells you how big the trade was in the 2000s, 400 years, yeah.
		The thing that really stood with me or stuck with me was realizing 12,000 ships.
		When I was growing up, I couldn't tell you the name of a single one of them.
unidentified		And yet I could tell you about the Mayflower.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		I could tell you about other ships.
unidentified		Why was that?
		That didn't feel right to me.
		When I think about the number of people who died just in the ocean, we're not talking about the number of people who died on the march to the ships or the number of people who died once they arrived and were enslaved.
		Just in the crossing from Africa to the Americas, it's 1.8 million people.
		That is a huge number.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		It's an enormous amount of loss.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		So that's also a number that I didn't know until I started this work.
unidentified		So one of the things that I've been trying to do with the storytelling that I'm doing is one to bring that history back into memory because it's important history.
unidentified		And the other thing is to honor those people whose lives were lost, whose names we will never know.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		But they weren't just victims.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		They weren't just cargo.
unidentified		They were people.
unidentified		They were mothers, fathers, sons, daughters.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Maybe some were writers.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Maybe some were farmers or scientists or poets or whatever.
unidentified		They were people and they deserve to be remembered.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		From your book, Written in the Waters, on the wintry afternoon of December 19th, 1827, the Guerrero, a Spanish pirate ship, sailed down the coast of Florida toward Cuba.
		Night fell and the weather turned bad.
		None of the hundreds of captive Africans on the Guerrero would have known what was happening that night.
		They wouldn't have known where they were.
		Terrified and crammed in the hold, they were helpless.
		41 Africans drowned as water rushed into the hold that night.
		Maybe the water came in initially as a deluge, relentless waves growing higher and higher as they quickly took feeble and sick.
		I think about them letting go, offering prayers to their gods as they breathed out and sought Yemiah's release.
unidentified		What story are we telling here?
unidentified		Well, that's a way to bring their journey, their experience, into memory.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Because I think that there's a way, you know, and I get this.
		I felt this too.
		Sometimes it seems like it's too much to imagine the horrors of the trade.
		It's hard to think about it.
		But again, I think that these people need to be remembered.
unidentified		And just trying to remember or to imagine what those moments would have been like for them.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		I also later in that passage imagine resistance and resilience and survival because 41 people died that night.
		But I forget the numbers.
		It's what, 400, how many survived?
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		I think it was 561 or so that were on the ship altogether.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		I believe that's the right number.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I always have to refer to my numbers.
		But the rest lived that night.
		That means they have stories.
		They went on, and those stories exist.
		Their contributions to the world still exist some sort of way.
		I know that a number of the Guerrero Africans got distributed to different places.
		Yes, the majority ended up in Cuba.
		And I like to think, even though I won't know the names of the people who were on that ship, when I think about the culture in Cuba, the Afro-descendant culture that exists there, I think that their contribution, like they do still live some sort of way there.
		And let's honor that and acknowledge that.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		All of us divers are deeply connected to the 561 Guerrero Africans and to the millions of souls who experienced the transatlantic crossing.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Did you dive and see the Guerrero?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Well, so the Guerrero is an interesting story.
unidentified		This is the ship that started Diving with a Purpose over 20 years ago.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		The one you referenced earlier?
unidentified		Yes.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		And technically, it still hasn't been officially found.
		They think that they know where the wreck is.
		There is an archaeologist who's working, who's been working on this for many, many years in Florida.
		And he's pretty sure that it is this particular wreck, but there's still some anomalies.
		There's a thought that it might have wrecked somewhere else.
		And so some other anomalies have to be ruled out before it can be officially named as such.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Did you dive in the general area?
unidentified		Yes.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		That was a long story, but to say I can't officially say that it was the wreck, but we have.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		What did you see?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		So the interesting thing about slave ships is that they are not intact on the ocean floor.
		Most of them were built out of wood.
		You know, they're from the 16th and 17th centuries.
		And so when they wreck, they splinter.
		And then the ocean takes them back.
		So it doesn't look anything like a wreck.
		What you see is coral encrusted things on the floor that could be anything.
		Like it really doesn't look like you would never go out diving and discover a slave ship with your eyes.
		Like you just, you wouldn't know that that's what it is.
		It really takes the archives, the historians really knowing this is where we think it went down.
		Then it takes equipment to really like sonar scans, magnetometers, all of these sorts of equipment help to pinpoint where a wreck might be.
		And then specialized divers who know what to look for are then going down to check on those anomalies.
		So when we went down, that's what we were doing.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		There were still some anomalies.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		And you were drawing at the same time.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Well, at this time, not on this wreck, because we don't know for sure that it is the wreck.
		So we went down in pairs and we had certain anomalies because even though the boats were made out of wood, they might have metal fittings in them.
		So if there's a metal fitting, the magnetometer would record that.
		So we go down to see, was that a Coke can from today?
		Or was that a nail?
		Or was that something else?
		So a bunch of us, and it was a bunch of young people, because Diving with a Purpose has a youth version called Youth Diving with a Purpose.
		So we all went down checking on these anomalies over the course of a week just last year to see: can we finally claim that this is the Guerrero?
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		You write, apparently, you can't just go for a dive one Sunday afternoon and happen upon a slave shipwreck.
		Most vessels of that time period were made of wood when they perished.
		They splintered on the ocean floor, as you said, and disintegrated over the centuries.
		We learned that the work of finding slave shipwrecks actually starts on land in the archives.
		Archives often include items like log books, sales transactions, business records, advertisements, and insurance claims.
unidentified		Who knew?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		They keep meticulous records.
		Like it is, we are not guessing here.
		I mean, you have to find them on the ocean floor because the ocean covers things, currents move things around.
		But the records tell us a lot.
unidentified		A lot of these insurance companies had to pay out claims.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		The slave trade was big business.
		People made a lot of money off of it.
		And people wanted their payouts.
		So they would file claims.
		People were taking a court around this, and there are documents of all of these things.
		So historians start by going through those archives to really understand what the wrecking event was and where it might be.
		And then it goes from there.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Tara Roberts, tell us about the first time you sighted a definitive slave ship on the floor of the ocean.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Ah, you put that word definitive in there.
		Since, well, I'll tell you one story.
		When I dove on the Christianus Quintus and the Fredericas Cortes.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Costa Rica?
unidentified		Costa Rica.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Which now I actually can say is definitive.
		Just this year, they have 100% confirmed that it is indeed the wreck that we thought it was.
		The people local are like, it's the wreck.
		But, you know, scientifically, you have to actually prove it first to be sure.
		So when I dove that wreck, it was really powerful because I saw the anchor.
unidentified		I saw bricks.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Bricks are one of the potential telltale signs of a slave shipwreck.
		So if there's like a huge pile of bricks in an area where a slave ship went down, it could potentially be a slave ship.
		And that's because they would often use ballast stones or bricks to offset the weight of human beings.
		So that was a really particular thing for slave ships.
		But I got to see a lot of these pieces and it was incredible.
		And I have to say that I didn't feel sad under the water.
		Some of my fellow divers have a range of experiences and emotions that occur when they dive.
		I, though, when I dove, I just felt so powerful underwater.
unidentified		The Costa Rica story is also a story of survival.
unidentified		There are some people who were on the ship who passed away in the ocean, but a lot of them survived.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		This is one of the stories of mutiny where the crew mutinied and they let a number of the Africans go.
		But when I was underwater, I just felt proud, actually, of myself.
		I felt proud of the other divers.
		I felt proud of the historians, of the archaeologists.
		I just felt so proud that we had decided that we are going to prioritize this history.
		We're not waiting for anyone else to say it matters.
		And most of us, actually not most, all of us are volunteers.
		Like I got a bit of a grant to be able to do the work.
		It's a pretty small grant.
		I'm still funding a lot of this myself.
		And the rest of the divers, they're not being paid for this work.
		But we volunteered to bring these stories up from the depths.
		And that just felt so powerful to me.
		I felt like I could say to the ancestors, like, I see you.
unidentified		I honor you.
unidentified		I have not forgotten about you.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		None of us have.
unidentified		So that felt really great.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		You're a National Geographic Explorer in Residence?
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
unidentified		It's a great question.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		So I'm actually on staff with National Geographic right now.
		I didn't start off on staff.
		I started out with a grant which funded me to travel around the world with the divers.
		And originally I was writing blog entries about my journey.
		And then I became a storytelling fellow with National Geographic.
		And that allowed us to do the podcast that we did.
		We did a podcast called Into the Depths.
		It's a narrative podcast.
		It's still streaming.
		And it tells the audio version of the journey.
		You get to hear from the divers.
		You get to hear, like, you know, out in the field, what it sounds like when we're actually underwater.
		It's a really beautiful story.
		So I did the podcast.
		And then just last year, National Geographic invited me to come in-house so that we could continue this work in a bigger way.
		We're planning a part two of this work.
		I just spoke about how important memorialization is, telling the stories of the ancestors who perished under the waters and those who didn't perish, who survived, but still had this experience.
		So we've got something coming up that's going to be pretty big and pretty exciting that will help honor and memorialize this past.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Do you still dive with diving with a purpose?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		A group of young Diving with a Purpose members just dove in South Africa this past year where there's shipwrecks in South Africa as well.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Last year was actually the year that we did the Guerrero dive.
		So that was with Diving with a Purpose.
		Yeah, I dive with them anytime.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		You know, pardon me, in good National Geographic fashion, and this is published by National Geographic, your book has maps on the front and back covers.
		A, thank you for that.
		Why did you include those?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, excuse me, partly because the journey took me all over the world.
		So we wanted people to see where the journey happened.
		But even more importantly than that, there's a way that I think people think that the transatlantic slave trade is black history or it's American history, but they don't think that it is global history.
		The transatlantic slave trade impacted the world.
		There were some 70, they estimate between 70 and 90 nations were involved in the trade in some way.
unidentified		So Europe, Africa, South America, North America, the Caribbean would not be what they are if not for the trade.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		But we don't tell a global story really about it.
		So part of the work of this book is to really show that this is a big story.
		It involves all of us.
		It is not just one thing.
		And I think seeing the maps of it help you begin to get that visually.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we've already talked about the Danish ships, the Fredericas and Christianus, our ship, and the Guerrero, a Spanish ship.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Which ship was the Henrietta Marie discovered in 1972?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the Henrietta Marie was the very first slave ship to be found in the U.S.
		That was an English ship.
		So yeah, like all the major European powers participated in the slave trade.
		And yeah, like it's a part of their history as well.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Where was the Henrietta Marie found?
unidentified		And have you dove to see it?
unidentified		I have not.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Can you see it?
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Can you see anything from that wreck?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe.
		That one is off the coast of Florida.
		I think it's about, it's about a mile off the coast.
		Maybe it's a little more than a mile.
		So that was the first ship found, and they found a lot from it.
		But again, this is in the 70s.
		It's been a long time.
		But when Doc Jones found out about the Henrietta Marie, he worked with other members of the National Association of Black Scuba Divers to put a plaque.
		They raised money to build a plaque and put it down at the site of the wreck.
		And it was a pretty big plaque.
		But over the years, again, the ocean, you know, it's kind of covetous.
		It is now covered that plaque.
		So I'm not exactly sure where it is, quite honestly.
		They know the general area, but people have to go down and clean it off and find it again.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Tara Roberts, you traveled to Mozambique to find or chart a wrecked slave ship.
unidentified		Yes.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Tell us that story.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		So Mozambique, it's a beautiful story.
		It's Mozambique and South Africa together.
		And this is one of the other things that I didn't know about the slave trade until the transatlantic slave trade until I started this work.
		I didn't realize that East Africa was a part of the trade.
		I thought it was only West Africa.
		But Mozambique is all the way on the other side.
		And that was a hub for the Portuguese.
		Like over 500,000 people were trafficked out of Mozambique.
		And they would travel the route around Mozambique or down the coast of Mozambique around the Horn of South Africa.
		And they would go on to Brazil and to the Caribbean because the French were also trafficking from that area.
		So one of the ships that came from Mozambique, wrecked in South Africa, it's a ship called the São Jose Paquette d'Africa.
		And this ship is like it's such a beautiful story.
		It was found by an archaeologist who's with the Ezeko Museums in South Africa.
		And the journey or the work to find the ship was headed off by a group called the Slave Wrecks Project.
		Diving with a Purpose is a member of that group.
		It's a group of organizations from around the world who are part of discovering and documenting these ships.
		So the National Museum of African American History and Culture, which was the museum where I saw the picture, helped to spearhead this work along with George Washington University.
		But other organizations like the National Park Service are part of it, the Zico Museums, DWP.
		So anyway, they're all these organizations that are working to find and document the Sao-Jose Paquette de Africa.
		And they find it and they determine that it is indeed the ship that they thought it was.
		So that ship they found originally came from Mozambique and they discovered that a group of people called the Makua were the people who were in the cargo hold of the ship.
		And those are people who mainly come from northern Mozambique and from a tiny island.
		Well, they come from northern Mozambique, but they found out that the ship left from this tiny island called Mozambique Island.
		So what makes this story so beautiful?
		And I think this shows the power of healing or the possibility of healing with these ships.
		The team, when they discovered that the Makua were the people who were in the cargo hold, decided, well, why don't we go back and let the Makua descendants know what happened to the ship?
		So they contacted the Makua and they told them what happened.
		And the Makua people there decided to hold a big celebration because they finally knew what happened to their ancestors and they wanted to celebrate that.
		So they have this celebration with music and food and dance and with speeches.
		And at the end of it, the Makua chief hands a gift to Lonnie Bunch.
		Lonnie Bunch is the founding director of the National Museum of African American History and Culture.
		And he's now the director of all the Smithsonian or the secretary of all the Smithsonian museums.
		And he's a part of this work.
		So the Makua chief hands to Lonnie this cowrie shell encrusted basket.
unidentified		And Lonnie's like, why is he handing me this gift?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		But before he gives it to him, he reaches down and he puts soil from Mozambique Island or Mozambique into the basket.
		And then he says to Lonnie, I'm charging you with going back to that wreck site.
		And I want you to pour the soil that I'm giving you now over that site so that my people can touch home for the first time in over 200 years.
unidentified		It's an incredible story.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		And then Lonnie and the team decide to do just that.
unidentified		So they go back to South Africa and they choose an African-American, a South African, and a Mozambican.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		And they, the three of them, walk into the water with the basket and they pour the soil over the site.
unidentified		And what makes this story, I think, really extraordinary, again, I was not there when this happened, so I can't say that it actually happened.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		But from many accounts, and I talked to a lot of people around this, and they all say the same thing, that when they started that day, it was a pretty terrible day.
		It was rainy and the seas were rough.
		The three people had to hold on to each other pretty tight as they walked into the water.
		They also say that the clouds were like the sun was nowhere in sight.
unidentified		It was really a horrible, horrible day.
		But when they finished doing that and they walked out of the water and they got to shore, everybody says that the seas calmed.
		The sun came out.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Our interpretation of that, you can like, maybe that was just the weather pattern that day.
		Or maybe something got calmed that day.
		Maybe something got solved.
unidentified		Maybe something got put to peace.
unidentified		So we like to think that the ancestors heard and the ancestors are at rest from that ship.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		So that is an example of like this history.
		It is, it's big, heavy history.
		But it's history that we can move through.
		That's why it's important for us to actually look at it, to actually know it, and then we can move to the other side of it.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Cujo Lewis.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Who was he?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		You're making me do a lot of talking, but I guess that is the point of this conversation, right?
		Oh, Cujo Lewis.
		That's another really, really great story.
		Cujo was one of the ancestors on the Clotilda slave ship.
		And the Clotilda is the most recent ship to have been found and confirmed.
unidentified		So that one is confirmed.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		It was found off the coast of Mobile, Alabama in 2019.
		So it's really, and it's taken some time to confirm it, but that's when they first found it.
		The thing that is really unique, well, there are a couple things that are unique about the Clotilda.
		The first thing is that it is the only ship that has been found intact.
		So I know I said earlier, oh, they are always found in splinters, and that is the truth for most of them.
		But what was different about the Clotilda is that it sank in the Mobile River, which is a different sediment than the ocean.
		It's a muddy river, and the mud served to preserve the wreck.
		So this one, we can really see the actual condition of the wreck.
		So that makes it a very special case scientifically and archaeologically.
		It's an amazing find.
		But it's also just an amazing story.
		I'll tell it very briefly.
		So there was a plantation owner in Mobile who made a bet in 1860 when the slave trade had been made illegal.
		It had been illegal since 1808.
		But he made a bet that he could build a ship and sail it to Africa and get captive Africans and bring them back here to be enslaved.
		And he did just that.
unidentified		He managed to build a boat.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		He had a captain who sailed it over and that captain bought 110, he bought more, but only 110 made it onto the boat and he sailed it back to Alabama without being caught.
		So it's known that Clotilda is the last known American slave ship to come from Africa.
		What makes this story super unique is that The 110 were sold off to financial backers of the Clotilda, but 32 of them were kept by the man who made the bet.
		And they were kept right there in Mobile, Alabama.
		So this happened in 1860, but then in 1865, the Civil War happened and these captives were freed.
		When they were freed, they wanted to go home because they remembered where they came from.
unidentified		You know, it had only been five years.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		They still spoke the language.
		They knew home.
		They wanted to go, but they couldn't find a way back.
unidentified		They couldn't afford it.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		There was no way back home.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		So these 32 people decided that they would band together and build Africa in their community.
unidentified		So they worked for another nine years and managed to save up.
unidentified		Again, 32 people, another nine years, managed to save up $300 and they were able to buy 57 acres of land.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		And so they bought this land and then they christened it Africa Town.
		And Africa Town grew over the years and Africatown still exists.
		In its heyday, Africa Town had over 19,000 residents.
unidentified		It had schools, shops, businesses, churches, cemeteries.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Like it was a full-blown community started by this 32 group of Africans.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Including Cujo Lewis.
unidentified		Cujo Lewis was one of the leaders of it.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		What's been very astonishing about Cujo, he also was the last surviving male person to be from a slave ship to pass away.
		So he passed away in the 1930s.
		So he has that distinction.
		And the writer Zora Neil Hurston wrote a book that featured him called Barracoon, which came out not too long ago.
		And all of the descendants of these people, like they lived in Africatown.
		Some still live in Africa Town today.
		So again, really what is astonishing about this story is that here you have people today who know who their ancestors are exactly.
		They know where they come from.
unidentified		Most African Americans can't trace back and we don't know.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		So it's amazing that they've got this story.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Tara Roberts, how many dives have you made with diving with a purpose?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I stopped counting.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Not anywhere near as many as 100?
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Is 100 a fair number?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Maybe somewhere around there.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Around 100.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Are you to the instructor level?
unidentified		No.
		Yes.
		I'm not.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		How many dives does it take?
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		Is it time under the water that counts?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		It's time under the water, but it's also the instruction.
		Like you have to, you have to do some concentrated work.
		You've got to have certain skills to be an instructor because then you're taking people out on the water and you don't want to lose anybody.
		So you've got to make sure that you know what you're doing so that you can really be in charge of those folks and make sure they're okay.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		What does your mother in Atlanta in the Hillside International Chapel and Truth Center think about your work today?
unidentified		Ah, she's so proud of it.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		She's really proud.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		She had you blessed before you went out on this, didn't she?
unidentified		She did.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		She had her pastor bless me.
		That's not something that I necessarily would have done on my own.
		But when your mother tells you to do something, you're like, okay, mom, I'll do it.
		Yeah, she had her pastor.
		His name is Bishop Jack Bomar.
		He's an incredible human being as well.
		He blessed me and actually said something that really shifted the way that I thought about the journey.
		When he blessed me, he told me that I needed to ask permission of the ancestors.
		And he said I needed to speak their names.
		I needed to call them forward.
		And I will say that before this, I wasn't thinking about the ancestors at all.
		I was thinking about the divers.
		I was thinking about the ships.
		I was thinking about storytelling.
		And I knew that, you know, there were stories of people who had passed on the ships.
		But I wasn't thinking about engaging the ancestors.
		But that is such an African way of dealing with spirituality and connecting with your elders and connecting with your past.
		So Bishop Jack really did open up something for me.
		And now that is a strong through line through the book, through the podcast, through all the work that I do now.
unidentified		Is that you on the cover of the book, Diving?
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		I don't know.
		The illustrator, maybe.
		I will say that when the illustrator did it at first, the person didn't have very many curves.
unidentified		And I was like, you know, you could add a little curve because I got some curves.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		And she added some, so I don't know, maybe it is.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		People donate to Diving with a Purpose.
tara roberts ▲ ● ▼		Oh, most definitely.
		Yes.
		DivingWithapurpose.org.
		It's a nonprofit, Survival 1c3.
		There are, what, close to 980 more ships potentially to be found out there.
		And all of this work, you know, takes support.
		So they can absolutely support them.
peter slen ▲ ● ▼		And just to go back over some of those figures that we did at the beginning of the Golden Triangle, this is just a transatlantic slave trade, Europe to Africa to America to Europe.
		From the 1500s to the 1800s, 12,000 slave ships made 36,000 voyages.
		40 countries were involved carrying 12.5 million Africans, of which 1.8 million Africans were lost at sea.
		Of those 12,000 slave ships, 1,000 of them were sunk.
		Only 20 have been found as of today.
		Our guest is National Geographic Explorer in Residence and author Tara Roberts.
unidentified		Her book, Written in the Waters, a Memoir of History, Home, and Belong.
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