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This morning with us is Jonathan Alter.
He's author of a new book, American Reckoning Inside Trump's Trial and My Own.
Before we get to your book, Mr. Alter, let's begin with your column in the New York Times yesterday.
What if Democrats win the White House and Congress Tuesday?
Your title is posed as a question.
How do you answer it?
Well, just very briefly, this is a piece about what would happen if the Democrats swept.
And you would get a lot of what Kamala Harris has promised for the middle class actually enacted into law.
I go through the various legislative impediments, the filibuster and other things.
You would get the Roe versus Wade decision that used to be the law of the land.
It would become law.
And so abortion would basically be off the table as an issue because the Congress would have passed a law returning us to the situation that we had before the Dobbs decision.
And all of these concerns about women dying, not just concerns, women are dying because doctors are afraid in a number of states to provide them with medical care because of state laws that make it difficult for them to do so.
All of those concerns would go away on the subject of reproductive rights.
But there's a whole series of other issues that relate to what Harris has proposed.
Remember, her key line in these closing moments of the campaign is: Donald Trump has an enemies list.
I have a to-do list.
And this to-do list, contrary to what an earlier caller said, is not just for black people.
That's a complete misrepresentation.
It's for the American middle class.
And it goes through better affordability at the grocery store and on housing with very specific proposals, a child care, a child tax credit, which would help basically all Americans and lift, cut the child poverty rate in half.
And I could go on with the agenda, but you get the idea that basically the Democrats would not be able to go too far and they wouldn't actually their proposals, according to the Wharton School, where Donald Trump went, according to their calculations, Harris's proposals would have only one fifth of the impact on the deficit that Trump's proposals would have,
mostly because she would end these tax breaks for the very wealthy and use that money that was going to the very wealthy for some of these programs for the middle class.
So that's what she's offering the country, and we'll see how people respond.
As you know, Democrats have a thin majority in the Senate, 5149, and one-third of the Senate is up this election.
It's not a map that favors Democrats.
Correct.
Many are predicting that Republicans flip the Senate.
They are then in control.
So with that unlikely scenario, then why write about it?
Because I do think it's possible, and I just wanted to give people a sense of what could happen if, say, Ted Cruz lost in Texas, and he's within the margin of error there.
So we simply don't know what's going to happen.
I think all this horse race coverage is actually, at this point, it's kind of a waste of time.
Nobody knows who's going to win this presidential election.
Anybody who tells you that they're sure what's going to happen, to be honest, you really shouldn't listen to them.
There are too many variables.
This is the 12th presidential campaign I've covered, and I understand that, you know, it just doesn't make very much sense.
Polling is kind of broken in this country.
We heard earlier from Sean Spicer about the real clear politics averages.
Those include a lot of Republican-sponsored polls.
So those averages have been thrown off.
That doesn't mean Harris is ahead.
We just simply don't know.
So I'm much more focused, Greta, on the stakes of this election rather than the horse race.
And the stakes here are immense.
And I think to understand them, just look in this morning's Wall Street Journal.
You had Admiral McCraven, who is one of the most highly decorated, revered military officers this country has produced in a generation.
And, you know, he was responsible for killing Osama bin Laden.
And he said that, you know, Donald Trump has the maturity of a 15-year-old boy.
He can't be trusted to be returned to power.
What he is offering is what George Washington specifically rejected when he established the idea of the peaceful transfer of power.
George Washington was all about reaching out, not spreading hate.
His farewell address warned against con men.
And Donald Trump is a con man and a chaos agent.
And there's a long history behind this.
An earlier caller a few minutes ago was talking about his great record in New York.
So I've lived in the New York area for 40 years and he didn't build New York.
His company was put out of business because it was fraudulent and was ripping people off.
He was employing illegal aliens in the construction of Trump Tower.
And a whole series of other things about his background that he is just not told the truth about, not to mention what's going on now.
And I just wanted to, just on this issue of stakes, if I could just add to General McCraven's voice.
So I think we all know that when General Kelly, who was Donald Trump's chief of staff, and General Milley, who was head of the Joint Chiefs, they both used the F word fascist in describing Donald Trump.
Now, whether one thinks that goes too far or not, you know, people can decide.
But that's a very, very significant thing.
And you have all of these people who worked with Trump who are coming out and saying he should not be returned to office.
Nikki Haley, just last night, she reiterated what she had said during the primaries.
She said, I don't take anything back that I said during the primaries.
And during the primaries, she said he was dangerous.
Now, you know, for her own political reasons, she's coming on board.
But she stood behind what she said during the primaries, which is that Republicans privately know he's dangerous.
And I would just ask people if the shoe were on the other foot, let's say that back in the Obama days, that Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief of staff, and General Shali Kashvili, who was the chair of the Joint Chiefs in the Obama years, if they had both said Barack Obama is a fascist, would you have wanted to vote for him for reelection in 2012?
Of course not.
The people around him are saying this man is dangerous, and we need to listen to that and have a real gut check before going in and voting for somebody.
Harris, you might agree with her, disagree with her on policy.
Taxes go up, taxes go down.
Let's even say that, you know, sure, the Biden administration didn't do enough on immigration in 2021 and 22.
And, you know, only now is it starting to come under control, though.
Trump rejected a deal that would have, that was proposed by a conservative in the Senate that would have actually secured the border in the last year.
But let's just stipulate that you don't like Harris on immigration and you don't, you know, you think grocery prices are too high, even though she's promising to crack down on predatory pricing, which Trump, with all of his corporate connections, is not promising to do.
But let's assume you agree more with Trump on the issues, just for the sake of argument.
This is not a usual campaign.
This is not about those issues.
This is about who do we trust.
It's about character over country.
And this is why so many Republicans, not just Liz Cheney and Judge Luddig, very, very conservative former federal judge, but many others have come together and they're shouting as loud as they can, this man is unstable.
He is not fit to be president.
And I just want to add one more thing.
I know you want to get to the calls.
But I like to focus some on the cruelty.
We don't want a cruel president.
And everybody's got their own example of what really upsets them.
And mine comes from just last week, the week before, when Trump was talking on more than one occasion about the enemy from within.
Remember that that's a Stalinist Hitlerian term, like vermin, when he calls people vermin.
We're not supposed to do that in this country, but enemy from within.
He's asked, who is the enemy from within that he says, and Vance has said, is more dangerous than China or Russia, the enemy from within.
And he says that he would use the military or the National Guard against.
And that the names he mentioned were Adam Schiff, who's running for the Senate in California, and quote, the Pelosis.
The Pelosis really caught my attention, Greta.
He wasn't just talking about Nancy Pelosi, who he's very angry at because she helped talk Joe Biden into getting off the ticket, which I write about in my book.
She wasn't just mad at, he wasn't just mad at Nancy Pelosi.
He said the Pelosis.
Nancy Pelosi is married to a man named Paul Pelosi, who, when he was 82 years old, faced a break-in in their home in San Francisco, and a Trump loyalist broke in and fractured his skull with a hammer.
And he was in the, when he was still in the hospital, Donald Trump was laughing about it repeatedly, telling jokes, hatching conspiracy theories that made it seem as if it was Paul Pelosi's fault.
And now, years later, this man who just happens to have been married to Nancy Pelosi is the enemy within, and he wants to use the National Guard, the military, against Paul Pelosi, who's now 84 years old.
I mean, this is sick stuff.
We can't have a person that sick, that cruel, as our president.
Quickly on your book, then, before we get to calls, American Reckoning Inside Trump's Trial, which trial are you talking about?
I was in the courtroom every day for the Trump felony trial, the Hush Money trial in New York City.
And, you know, one of the most dramatic events I've ever covered is watching that jury four person say guilty, guilty, guilty 34 times.
You know, and I, again, just addressing some of the Republicans and Independents in the audience, I agree with former Republican governor of Arkansas, Asa Hutchinson, who is a former prosecutor and he respects our criminal justice system as I do.
We cannot elect a convicted felon as president of the United States.
Now, you can disagree about whether the case should have been brought.
He was convicted.
And this is what our system is.
We don't want to undermine our criminal justice system by having a felon be our president.
And when will sentencing happen in that case?
November 26th.
And basically, if Trump wins, it's likely that he would be sentenced to probation, and even that could be thrown out.
If Trump loses, most observers who cover this court and cover New York, the New York criminal justice system, say that there's at least a 50% chance that Judge Juan Rashon will sentence him to a short term in a country club jail.
We'll go to Alabama, Chuck Independent.
Hi, Chuck.
Hey, how are y'all doing today?
Morning.
Doing well.
Give me a little time here.
This is something that has always bothered me about, especially Biden.
When he started his campaign, he brought up Charlottesville.
I read that whole transcript.
The journalists were asking him about monuments.
He said there's good people on both sides about tearing down monuments.
So either Clint Biden lied to us or he doesn't know what he's talking about.
So when is the journalist and when is people like Ceasefed going to admit that there's people on both sides that he was talking about monuments?
He wasn't talking about the KKK or whatever.
He just pisses me off.
All right.
Heard your point, Chuck.
Yeah, I mean, I actually think you make a very good point.
If you look at the full context, it's not as bad as Joe Biden was making it out to be.
But Joe Biden's not on the ballot.
And there are a lot of other examples of Donald Trump spending time with Nazis, literally with Nazis.
He had dinner with two Nazis.
And he doesn't say he regrets having dinner with them.
And in terms of race, I have been around long enough to remember the Central Park V. These were five black kids who were wrongly accused of raping a woman in Central Park, and they went to prison for it.
And later, another person confessed to the crime.
DNA evidence cleared them.
One of the Central Park V is now a very well-regarded member of the New York City Council.
And Donald Trump wanted them executed.
And when told years later, they didn't, you know, they didn't commit these crimes, he doubled down on it because he never backs off anything.
If he had his way, they would be dead now for a crime they didn't commit.
And we could go on about a number of other things that he's done that may not have sided with white supremacists in Charlottesville, but they were just flat out racist.
And we could spend a lot of time talking about that.
But the main thing is when you start to use hate, it's just not the American way for him to be rubbing these wounds raw over and over again.
And Harris, whatever you think of her on certain issues, there's certain issues I don't agree with her on at all, but she wants to turn the page to a better era.
And I think something she said the other night was very, very important.
She said, Donald Trump wants to go after what he calls the enemies from within, his political rivals.
Kamala Harris wants to bring those rivals into the White House and work out compromises on the issues that face the American people.
She's very focused on a different kind of future.
Do we really want, people go, oh, well, inflation was lower when Trump was president.
Yeah, that's true, because we had these terrible supply interruptions during COVID when after Russia attacked Ukraine, which, by the way, Trump doesn't care about.
Like, he said that Putin can, quote, do what he wants in Eastern Europe, which would basically destroy NATO, which is terrible, terrible, terrible for our national security.
But when he said this, when Russia did this, it sent the price of wheat skyrocketing after they invaded because Russia and Ukraine had control of a good chunk of the wheat market.
So there were a bunch of external reasons for inflation that sent inflation higher in other countries than in our own.
But having said that, let's just say, all right, you blame Biden for inflation.
That's not really very significant versus when you look at this as a choice between a kind of standard issue Democrat who believes in our system, the peaceful transfer of power, basic respect for political rivals, versus an authoritarian who wants to model his presidency on that of strong men like those in Hungary and Russia.
We don't want an American strongman.
That is not the American way.
And if you don't believe he wants to be a strong man, just listen to what he says.
He talks over and over about retribution.
He's talked about suspending the Constitution.
He's even said, you know, he says he was joking, but it's a little hard to tell, he wanted to be dictator for a day.
That's not the American way, even if it's just one day, which it wouldn't be, of course.
That's not the way we should roll in the United States.
And I think everybody needs kind of a gut check before they go to the polls.
This is not, this election is fundamentally not about higher prices at the supermarket or whether, you know, Harris, who actually has a plan to do something about it, whether her plan is better than Trump's, which is a 20% across-the-board tariff.
There is not one economist, either liberal or conservative, not a single one who thinks that's a good idea because basically the costs of the tariff would be go basically would be a tax and you'd have what Mark Cuban called insane inflationary consequences from Trump's position.
So all I'm saying is that the bigger issue is autocracy versus democracy.
All right, Jonathan Alter, got several people waiting for you.
I'm so sorry to be long waiting.
In Long Island, New York, Independent.
Hi, David.
Oh, yes.
Hi, Mr. Alto.
Hi, Greta.
Hi.
Greta, I just want to make, let's correct one thing, Mr. Alto.
Do you all remember during the crisis when the auto industry was going bad and things were getting real bad, Greta?
Donald Trump said, let Christ.gm and the auto industry go bankrupt.
Yeah.
They can afford it.
And then in addition to that, he said, I do not like pay over time and I do not like unions.
How is it now these unions go around talking about, and then the second thing, let me, you know, go to another point.
As he called it, his thing talking about, they call it weaving.
There's no thing in the English dictionary, talk about weaving, or anything about weaving.
You put all these different statements, different things together.
The man is confused.
Did you see Jonathan on a truck getting on the garbage truck?
He couldn't.
They do it.
They ought to help him.
This drink is gone.
Sinality.
Sinality.
That's affected the man is gone.
Okay.
David, David, you've got several things there.
Jonathan Altter.
I can try to answer them.
So he is too old.
Like Biden was clearly too old.
I mean, Jimmy Carter rightly said nobody over 80 should be serving as president.
So, you know, you can see his mental decline.
So that's one issue.
As far as what you said about Trump wanting the auto industry to go bankrupt back 15 years ago, that's just true.
I mean, that was his position at the time.
Let them all go bankrupt.
And more recently, he said, you know, it doesn't take much skill to build a car.
He was really dissing auto workers.
He's pretending now that he's pro-labor, but his administration was very anti-labor.
And I think people need to not look at his publicity stunts like working at McDonald's and work in a garbage truck.
The garbage thing, people forget that it was Trump who first used that word.
He said that the people around Harris were, quote, garbage.
And then he talked about us being a trash can nation.
He was talking about immigration.
So he's been talking down the United States.
He's been very critical of labor.
Earlier, we heard a caller saying, asking whether he would cut Social Security and Medicare.
You all have heard of Project 2025.
Trump's been trying to run away from this.
This is something that slashes everything, including Social Security and Medicare.
There's a guy named Tom Homan.
Trump just said just the other day that Tom Holman would have a major position in his administration.
Tom Holman is the author of Project 2025.
JD Vance wrote the introduction to a book by the co-author of Project 2025.
So they are very much on this anti-worker agenda that just helps their billionaire friends like Elon Musk.
And Musk now wants to cut $2 trillion from the budget.
Basically, every spending program on health, transportation, he wants to eliminate.
And obviously, he'll have a lot to say in a Trump administration.
Do we really want, and actually a much greater share of Trump's campaign expenditures, I think three times as much come from Republican billionaires as Harris is getting from Democratic billionaires.
So we would get Trump running a government with his fellow billionaires, and that's not good for America.
That's oligarchy.
We'll go to Stockbridge, Georgia, or Joyce is a Republican.
Hi, Joyce.
Hi.
Sir, I am sorry, but the visceral hate that you have for Trump is ridiculous.
Most of the things you have said has already been debunked.
No, they haven't.
That's just factually inaccurate, ma'am.
There's not a single thing I said that has been debunked.
Joyce, what is it?
I'm a journalist.
And everything I said has been humanist records.
Let her finish.
Let her finish.
My apologies.
Joyce, what is it that you are taking issue with?
Give us two examples.
Well, the first thing, the guy that had the hammer with Pelosi while he was in his shorts with his glass of liquor, he was from Canada, and he is not a Trump supporter.
That is why.
Not true.
Go ahead.
Sir.
It's not true.
I mean, facts are stubborn things.
He was a Trump supporter.
You can look it up on Google.
What you just said is not true.
That's not true.
There are a lot of conspiracy theories going around, but if you actually track it back to reliable sources, what you said isn't true.
I'm sorry.
Joyce, your second example.
Go ahead.
Oh, you have me so upset.
Did you know that Kamala is a Marxist?
not a Marxist.
Joyce, why do you think she's a Marxist?
Well, first of all, her father was a Marxist.
So what?
And he hasn't been for 40 years.
He hasn't been a Marxist in 40 years.
She doesn't have a good relationship with her father.
I know he has.
She doesn't even have a good relationship with her father.
You're going to slime her because of something her father wrote 40, 50 years ago.
So let Joyce finish.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry, Joyce.
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Go ahead.
She is a Marxist, and Tim Waltz is being investigated about his ties with the CCP.
Okay.
We'll leave it there, Joyce.
Joyce is.
So I just, I'm sorry that I was jumping in on Joyce.
I apologize to Joyce for that.
I should have waited until she finished with her untrue conspiracy theories.
None of what she said, unfortunately, you know, as a journalist, I try to look for facts, not conspiracy theories, things that you read somewhere on the internet that are often not true, to try to look at facts.
And on everything she said, it doesn't conform to the facts.
Tim Waltz is not a communist.
In fact, when he started going to China some years ago, he came back and he was very, very tough on the Chinese communist regime when he was a member of the House of Representatives.
So there's a lot out there that's going around.
And, you know, I understand people's complaints about the mainstream media.
Many of them are very merited, and we could spend hours talking about what's wrong with the media.
But if you actually go back to facts, what Joyce said and a lot of the other conspiracy theories are just simply not true.
Jonathan Alder, how do you respond to folks who say you say you're a journalist, yet you are supporting the vice president?
Yeah, so I've been for 40 years, I've been an opinion journalist.
So I'm paid to express my views, which I hope are backed up by factual reporting.
And I've been a columnist since the early 1990s.
So I'm not, you know, a reporter for the Associated Press who's giving some kind of a straight news account.
Journalists come in different shades, and I'm an opinion journalist.
What would you say, McCoo?
That sounds like a contradiction, an opinion journalist.
Oh, well, we've had that actually since the dawn of the Republic.
It used to be, if you go back to the 18th century, when everything got started, newspapers in those days were all very similar to what we have now with Fox and MSNBC.
And newspapers were party papers.
And much of early journalism, and then going throughout all of our history, had columnists, commentators on radio and TV.
And so this is a very old tradition in journalism.
But unlike, you know, and there are bad journalists, believe me, there's some really bad ones, but there are also some really good ones.
And, you know, the difference is whether they have a fidelity to facts.
And if they, you know, when I express my opinion, I try, I don't always succeed, but I try to back it up with verifiable facts.
And one of the things that is very unsettling about where we are is that, you know, I guess it would be summarized by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who was a very popular United States senator, very popular across the aisle.
And he said, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts.
And it's when people start trafficking in half-truths, lies, some of which are, you know, the product of foreign disinformation campaigns, then we get into an area where you have people who are saying things that are not quite right.
Now, sometimes that works out bad for the left.
So there was an earlier caller who made a good point that what Trump said about Charlottesville was in some ways taken out of context and was not as bad as what Joe Biden said.
But there's a huge amount of other things that Trump has said that are just simply disqualifying for him.
Not to mention that he sat in his office on January 6th for close to two hours when our Capitol was under assault.
It was beyond dereliction of duty.
And then he tried to blame Nancy Pelosi for not calling out the National Guard.
That wasn't her job.
It was his job as president to recognize that his people had gone too far.
They were breaking into our Capitol.
They were assaulting police officers.
And he just sat on his hands after having incited them to do so.
That by itself, January 6th by itself, as so many Republicans are saying, is disqualifying because the peaceful transfer of power is what separates our system.
And the rule of law, not attacking judges who you don't like.
The rule of law and the peaceful transfer of power, those are the foundations of our system.
Jonathan Alter, author and columnist, thank you very much for the conversation.
The book is American Reckoning Inside Trump's Trial and My Own.
Appreciate the conversation this morning.
Thanks so much, Greta.
I appreciate your time.
Joining us this morning is Sean Spicer, host of the Sean Spicer Show and the former White House press secretary during the Trump administration.
Mr. Spicer, thanks for being here with us.
We're talking about campaign 2024.
Obviously, there's only five days to go.
So what's your assessment of how this all ends on Election Day, if it ends on Election Day?
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm actually really bullish on this.
Obviously, I support President Trump and the Republican ticket.
But when you look at the averages of where the polls are in all the battleground states, it's not just the edge that President Trump has, it's the trend that's going in his direction.
So you look not just at one poll, but in the last several polls in each of these battleground states, and the wind is at President Trump's back.
And frankly, if you look at the Battleground State Senate races as well, everything from Wisconsin and Michigan to Pennsylvania and Nevada and Arizona, each of those same thing.
There's not one race in those Battleground Senate races where Republicans aren't moving in the right direction.
Now, Greta, I'm not saying every one of them is going to get over the finish line.
I hope they do.
But I think that, you know, I'd rather be going to Election Day as a Republican with the wind at our back than trying to hold back an insurgent.
What do you think of the remarks made at the Madison Square Garden rally and the former president's reaction to them?
Did it hurt his campaign?
No.
First of all, they weren't remarks.
It was a comedian who told a bad joke.
And I think, by and large, every Republican that I know says it was a bad joke.
A comedian got up four hours before President Trump got up and said a joke that fell flat because it was stupid, right?
That's what it was, a stupid joke that went over very poorly because it wasn't funny.
And I think sometimes that's the risk you take with comedians.
That being said, I don't know a single person outside of Jon Stewart who said, you know, hey, you know, it wasn't funny.
Conversely, you know, juxtaposed that to President Biden, who is the current president of the United States, who literally said the supporters of President Trump are garbage.
That's it, full stop.
There's no question about it.
I know the White House is trying to parse some of the words, but as somebody who has a little bit of experience of garbling words and saying things and living at that level, he screwed up.
And instead of trying to make it a grammar issue, he should have just said he was sorry.
But here's the thing, Greta.
I actually think he believes it, right?
He campaigned in 2016 saying he got in the race because of Donald Trump.
He announced his reelection because he said the threat of Donald Trump.
This shouldn't be surprising to anybody.
But the bottom line is that four days later, us talking about a comedian at a rally and not the current president of the United States really explains where the media is in the current environment.
Candidates are making their closing arguments.
There are some who say that the former president's rhetoric is too dark.
We heard that from Nikki Haley.
And I want to play for our viewers and have you respond to Megan Kelly's remarks about the former president's rallies.
Trump was not well served by those around him last night.
It wasn't a Nazi rally, all that's nonsense.
But I'm telling you, even for me, and I voted for Donald Trump last week, it was too brotastic.
Okay?
It was.
You're trying to win an election in which you're hemorrhaging female voters.
Maybe when you present in front of hundreds, thousands at least, at Madison Square Garden, you clean up the bro talk just a little so you don't alienate women in the middle of America who are already on the fence about Republicans.
Do they have no women advising their campaign?
Is there no actual woman sitting behind the scenes, coming up with the guest lineup and saying, let's just have a word with the guys who are going to be speaking about this isn't the bar.
This isn't their living room.
This is a campaign.
This is politics.
We're trying to get him elected.
We don't need to rally the base or guys anymore.
And it's not helpful, even if we do want to rally the base or guys, to go full off-color insults to different racial groups and so on.
I get it.
Trust me, nothing that was said offended me.
I'm almost unoffendable.
But I understand how this plays, especially with women.
And it was an effed up choice.
Sean Spicer.
Well, look, obviously, Megan's got a huge audience.
I respect her point of view on this.
And it can't hurt to have more women out there.
I thought it was great that Melania was speaking.
The campaign is surrounded by a bunch of people who have data that tells them who they need to reach and the messages that work with them.
I don't think every speaker was great, but I thought it was an unbelievably iconic event at Madison Square Garden with some speakers.
I mean, this was literally in terms of the conservative world, this was like our Woodstock.
You think about the people that were there, Robert F. Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, Melania Trump, Dr. Phil.
It was pretty unbelievable in terms of a lineup.
But look, I think all in all, that was a great rally that got worldwide coverage.
It really, and at the end of the day, what are most people paying attention to?
It's Donald Trump.
He focused on his record, the concerns that we have as a nation, the contrast between him and Kamala Harris, especially when it comes to the economy and border security.
Number one and number two issues in polls.
So look, Donald Trump, I think, is going to be headed for a big victory on Tuesday night.
I think we've got to keep our foot on the gas and keep running through the tape.
But at the end of the day, you look, Greta, at a state like New Hampshire.
Right now, I don't know that we'll end up winning it, but you've got a brand new poll showing him up 0.4 of a percent there.
That wasn't considered a battleground state weeks ago.
My state here in Virginia, we have one poll now showing us down two.
This is a state that Joe Biden won by 10.
So over and over again, as I said, the wind is at Donald Trump's back.
In every single battleground state, poll after poll, the wind is at Donald Trump's back.
So they're clearly doing something right.
You talked about the crowd at Madison Square Garden, the worldwide event.
What about the thousands that gathered here in the nation's capital to hear the vice president talk at the ellipse?
Good for her.
I thought it was great.
I think it was somewhat awkward that the backdrop was the White House, and you had a current sitting president, her boss, feet away in the White House, and he wasn't invited.
He could literally have walked down and been there in five minutes.
It was completely secured by the Secret Service.
Why wasn't Joe Biden invited?
I mean, I think, frankly, it was a recitation of all of her talking points.
It was, I mean, great.
This is politics.
I'm, you know, I'm glad to see her out there engaging with the American people, but it was the same speech I've heard a million times.
More than anything, I think it was extremely awkward that Joe Biden, her own boss, who was feet away, wasn't invited onto the stage as the current sitting president.
You said when you were talking.
By the way, had he been invited, maybe he wouldn't have made the garbage comments on that Zoom call.
You made, when you were talking about the Madison Square Garden, you said that there's data out there that the campaigns have of who they still need to reach.
Who is that that they still need to reach?
My guess is that it's low-propensity voters, people who don't tune into cable television every day, people who are working hard to put food on the table for their family or themselves, trying to pay the rent, don't necessarily tune in to cable news shows every day or read the mainstream legacy media outlets.
And so they're trying to find surrogates or outlets, which is why I think President Trump's media strategy of really going on a lot of new media, independent media, podcasts, things like that has been brilliant.
These are where people are at.
If they're a driver, maybe a truck driver or an Uber driver or a part of the gig economy, and maybe they're listening to podcasts when they have a break because they can't have time to come home and watch appointment television.
This has been great.
So they're reaching them.
And you think about all of the outlets.
I was on Sunday night clicking around online.
I was actually out at a family event and I was just clicking around at different sites that were all carrying that rally live and the thousands of people on each one.
And I thought to myself, like, this is brilliant, right?
This isn't just about trying to make sure that cable news carries it.
They've got all sorts of different channels connecting with their audiences.
We'll go to Paul in Naples, Florida, supporting the former president.
Hi, Paul.
Welcome to the conversation.
Yeah, hi.
Actually, I'm glad to speak to two different hosts.
I've only called in one time and it was good.
But what I want to say real quick and two different things is people forget to think that the most important thing that we have is our children.
The children are our pot of gold.
That's the most important thing between men and women.
They should always think with having kids, that's the most important thing.
That's what makes you happy.
Okay, on that note, women that are being left out.
They're not being left out.
They're just not talking about how important they are.
But without women, we wouldn't have kids and we wouldn't have a family.
We wouldn't be happy.
The other thing I want to say, with all our resources that we have under our feet as we hear it, all this gold, natural gas, and other resources, why aren't we using that to pay off our deficit?
Why can't we take, I'll guarantee you, if you take Democrats, Independents, and Republicans and put them together, they would vote for that if that money could go towards paying off our deficit.
It's a no-brainer.
All right, Paul, let's see.
Let's get a response.
Sean Spicer.
Yeah, so first of all, I'm not entirely sure on the first comment what you mean about women.
Clearly, they're a massive demographic in this election that are being really targeted and tried to turn them out.
So I think both sides are working hard for that vote.
Secondly, on the energy piece of this, look, you heard President Trump day one, drill, baby, drill.
I think he gets it.
We were energy independent when he was president.
He continues to recognize the importance of fossil fuels in our current economy.
So, yeah, it's important.
And look, I will say this with respect to the death and the deficit, and I'll take a hit on my own party on this.
I think that this is an issue that has not gotten the attention it deserves.
It is probably the greatest existential threat that our nation faces in terms of our long-term viability.
I wish both parties paid more attention to our debt and deficit.
And with all due respect, I do get the point that you're making on the energy.
But I wish, look, this isn't just about driving up revenue and saying, okay, let's get more energy, more revenue, and then we can spend more.
That's the problem in Washington.
You just tell them there's more money, they'll spend more.
We need to start looking at the other side of the ledger and saying, are we spending efficiently and effectively?
And I think universally the answer is no, but the problem is politicians on both sides aren't rewarded for actually fiscal discipline measures.
More are rewarded because they increase spending of some sort.
Sean, you said earlier that you're bullish on the former president winning on this election.
If he doesn't, though, what do you think is the message that would have resonated with voters that they would choose the vice president?
I had flashbacks to Saturday morning and the smell of pine soil and my mom telling me, wake up and start cleaning.