Brief: Mikki Willis and Russell Brand Rewrite History
Mikki Willis and Russell Brand rewrite history by promoting falsehoods that Anthony Fauci killed Willis's brother with AZT and that the pandemic was a 2026 plot to remove Donald Trump. The hosts debunk these claims as evidence-based errors, noting redacted Epstein emails regarding WHO and Bill Gates meetings were legitimate planning exercises rather than sinister plots. Ultimately, the discussion exposes how Willis's upcoming documentary Code of Creation relies on uncredentialed pseudoscientists blending spirituality with conspiracy theories to distort reality. [Automatically generated summary]
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For last week's main feed episode, we spent some time talking.
Catching up with the original rogues gallery that we did so much of our early work on, and who therefore are heavily featured in our book.
In that vein, I couldn't help but notice that Russell Brand, everyone's favorite former socialist proponent of Kundalini yoga as addiction recovery, now full on MAGA Christian with pending trials in England for sex crimes, hosted none other than Mickey Willis on his Rumble video show last week.
I know you're excited for this, Derek.
I've waited my whole life for this moment.
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All right, Julian, let's dive in.
AZT Pricing and Pandemic Planning00:15:43
Yeah.
So, the crossover that we didn't know we needed for anyone who's forgotten, Mickey Willis is the former New Age filmmaker associated with.
The Los Angeles yoga and spirituality scene, who dropped the infamous Plandemic, a 26 minute interview with discredited medical researcher Julie Mikeovitz just two months into the 2020 pandemic.
That film, Plandemic, alleged that COVID was all planned by the powers that be as part of a sinister plot to enforce authoritarian control over the world.
Willis would also go full MAGA, thus supporting.
Let me just check my notes here the actual powers that be trying to enforce authoritarian control over the world.
The film, which falsely claimed that masks activated the virus and flu vaccines increased COVID risks, was widely shared by Oprah Darling and anti vax doctor Christian Northrup.
Willis has since turned Plandemic into a hugely lucrative cottage industry.
Releasing two more so called documentary follow ups and then a Plandemic the musical film complete with show tunes.
I gotta question how lucrative that fucking whatever that was musical was for him, which is probably why he had to start a supplements line to try to cover his costs.
Yeah, maybe it's a tax write off.
One through line in both Willis's video output and the origin myth he often spins in interviews and public speaking gigs.
Is his hatred of Anthony Fauci, who served as the head of the NIAID from 1984 to 2022 and was given the Presidential Medal of Honor for his work on the AIDS crisis by that woke socialist George W. Bush?
Turned painter now, which he spends most of his days doing.
I recently wrote an article about the single cause fallacy, which is the tendency to assign all problems to a single cause.
Which in reality is never actually the case.
So think of anti vaxxers blaming vaccines for most chronic diseases, or think of people blaming capitalism for all of society's woes.
It's this sort of reductionist practice that makes reality seem much simpler than it is, often in hopes that if you just defeat this one thing, all the problems will magically be solved.
And for Mickey Willis, Fauci is the single cause of so many problems, or at least so many of his problems.
And it is, as you referenced, tied into his own origin story.
And that brings us to the very first clip from Mickey's Russell Brand appearance.
A lot of people ask me, How did you have a film ready and launched May 4th, 2020?
And the answer is really easy.
And that's the moment I saw Anthony Fauci at the helm of the pandemic response, I knew it was going to be disastrous.
And the reason is, I knew his history.
He killed my brother with a drug called AZT.
When this came out, my brother had lived with AIDS for about eight or 10 years and he was in perfect health.
He was fine.
And then suddenly, this medicine came out and said, you know, if the people start taking this medicine, even the people that don't have full blown AIDS, it's going to go away and their quality of life is going to return and they're going to be healed.
This is a miracle drug, AZT.
My mom allowed the cancer to take her within 30 days.
So we buried my brother.
34 days later, we buried my mom.
And so this is at a time, I'm 23 years old.
I wasn't a researcher at the time, no internet, didn't know what to do about it except for to grieve.
And I just left to Hollywood.
I just, like, I got to get away from all of this.
I don't know what I want to do in Hollywood exactly.
And I just got on the bus, basically, really in a U Haul truck, and drove to Hollywood and lived at the Magic Hotel for about a year.
And what a divine blessing, right?
Because then I started doing the work that I'm doing now.
Man, he hits all the notes for that origin myth and pulling on the emotional heartstrings.
I mean, what a horrible set of experiences to have as a 23 year old guy.
But here we go down the road, and eventually it's divine providence.
And somehow he was not a researcher then, but he's a researcher now.
Willis actually shares this preoccupation with revisionist history on AIDS with RFK Jr., who, of course, published a viciously slanderous bestseller titled The Real Anthony Fauci in 2021.
So I want to dig into this for a moment.
It is true that Mickey Willis had a brother with AIDS.
And that when AZT was discovered as an effective treatment, he took the drug, but sadly still died.
That is very sad, as is losing his mother to her long battle with cancer so soon thereafter.
We can perhaps speculate that these painful experiences of the harsh realities of degenerative diseases for which medical science has no cure was an early driver of Willis's search for conspiratorial explanations for how the world works.
But the claim that AZT was this failed drug treatment that actually killed people.
And it was pushed anyway by Anthony Fauci.
Well, predictably, it rhymes with anti vax claims, and it's likewise not evidence based.
So here are some of the facts AZT or zidovudine was flagged and then researched as a potentially effective treatment against HIV/AIDS in 1985, two years after the virus had been identified.
And two years after that, after a double blind randomized placebo controlled trial, the FDA approved AZT for use.
Now, that phase two trial was actually discontinued because the drug recipients were so dramatically out surviving those in the placebo group.
It was deemed unethical to continue not providing those in the placebo group with the real drug.
How dramatic?
19 out of the 137 in the placebo group died, but only one out of the 145 in the AZT group.
Now, critics have pointed out problems with the study, and that this meant that it turned out to be functionally unblinded as to who was getting or not getting the drug.
That became obvious for the reasons I just described.
But be that as it may, the life saving trend continued.
By 1989, the data showed that HIV survival rates were 4.5 times higher with AZT than without it.
The drug did have some nasty dosage related side effects, which were reduced over time via clinical experimentation and finding it was effective at lower doses.
In those desperate days of a massive public health crisis, it is true that somewhere between 12% and 20% of patients had those severe toxic side effects from the very high doses.
But overall, AZT was somewhat miraculous, we could say.
Yeah, I'm going to get back to AZT.
Have you ever gone to Magic Castle?
Julian?
No.
Okay, I went once.
It's this really just throwback place where you walk from room to room.
It's a private club, but I had a friend who was a member.
And it's a fixture in Hollywood, right?
It's part of the culture.
Yeah, it's by Groman's Man's Chinese Theater.
It's by the Walk of the Fame.
So it just hit me when Mickey said he lives at the Magic Castle.
He's talking about the Magic Castle that's attached to that hotel where you can live.
And what a great place to move to LA to think about sleight of hand.
Like, where else?
Would you?
Because if you live at the hotel, you have access, I believe, to the Magic Castle.
So maybe he saw a bunch of magic shows and that started this whole process for him because you mentioned revisionist history.
And that's all I can think of when I'm hearing Mickey's claims.
The idea that his brother lived a perfectly healthy life with AIDS for eight or 10 years would have made him an extreme outlier at that time, given that life expectancy was one year after diagnosis.
Before a three drug cocktail known as heart began being used in 1996, if his brother was what was known as the asymptomatic latency phase before progressing to AIDS, then that could actually be possible.
But that's not what Mickey said, that's not how he's framing it.
He said his brother lived with AIDS healthily for eight to ten years, which again is impossible.
And even then, researchers knew AZT couldn't cure AIDS, but it did, as you said, help prolong lives.
Now, there are plenty of reasons for criticizing the early AIDS response.
You have Reagan, who just was unwilling to take it seriously at the time because it was predominantly going through the homosexual population.
And the origin story, if it did come from Africa, there was a lot that Reagan was like, fuck this, I'm not even touching it.
There was also the prohibitive.
Pricing of AZT at the time it was the most expensive therapeutic on the market, but putting all the flame on Fauci's shoulders just sounds more like coping with something tragic and refusing to face the many factors involved in a novel disease, which honestly tracks given Willis repeated this exact pattern with COVID 19.
Yeah, all of that, and it's like this is this really simple.
Speaking of a single cause fallacy, right?
There is actually.
A really basic cognitive error that's at the heart of all of this kind of anti medical science rhetoric.
And it's failing to understand that correlation is not causation.
If you have a disease that at the time had the kind of death rate that AIDS had, well, AIDS killed your brother, not the medicine that was in an experimental phase that people were desperately trying that ended up being successful but having some drawbacks.
It wasn't the magic bullet, but like, yeah, your brother died anyway.
Because he had AIDS.
It's the same as all of these claims about people suddenly dying from heart attacks or seizures and blaming it on the vaccine.
It's like a certain number of people are going to tragically die from these various things.
Creating actual chains of evidentiary causality back to the medical intervention that you're blaming is the crucial thing.
Or people saying that someone died with COVID instead of COVID.
And it's like, yeah.
They wouldn't have died of that other thing if COVID didn't also.
Affect them.
Like, that's just not how the biology works.
Yeah.
All right.
Having dealt with that, let's hear from Mickey again because he, Derek, he has some important new evidence to share with us.
I can't wait.
This was planned and the Epstein files have proven that, but it wasn't supposed to happen yet.
It wasn't supposed to happen in 2020.
They pulled the trigger in 2020 because every effort to stop Trump, every Russia, Russia, every impeachment thing was failing.
And so they pushed it forward.
This was a plan, but probably.
Maybe it was supposed to happen around now.
Yeah.
The saving grace for us all, Russell, was that all of their plan wasn't in place.
So we have outliers now.
We have states within our own country who they hadn't yet been able to install their own leadership, so they didn't play the game.
We're able to look at the data and say, well, why is it that the Dakotas did so much better?
They didn't clamp down, their economy's better.
They gave their citizens a choice whether you want to wear a mask or not.
You know, the one beautiful thing about the lack of trust that's been developing is it's created this return to sovereignty.
This return to people wanting to put their hands in the soil again to grow their own food again.
I just caught that.
The Dakotas, what's the population density of the Dakotas?
I know.
Is it like one person every 200 square miles?
Like it's immediate.
You hear it and you're just like, oh, yeah, population density.
Yeah, it's not going to spread as rapidly or as much within the population because people are much more isolated.
Yeah, of course.
It was supposed to be COVID 2026.
Yeah, and of course, it has to do with trying to get rid of Trump.
Yeah, none of this makes sense.
Again, all you have to do.
To understand anything from Mickey Willis or Russell Brand, just read the transcript.
Like, get the affect out of it.
We've done a lot of work on Mickey's affect and Russell's Gish Gallup.
Like, just try to make sense of them.
And that's what's great about YouTube.
I know this is on Rumble, but I think some of these clips are on YouTube.
You can just download the transcript now.
Just don't even watch them, just read it and try to make sense of what they're saying and see what actually holds up.
I have to say, Derek, I disagree with you because he's really done it again.
I mean, this is intrepid researcher Mickey Willis, and he found the proof for a pandemic six full years later.
Like it turned out he was right, it was in the Epstein files.
As he's saying this on the video, and you talked about just reading the transcript, but if you look at the video, it's interesting how they put things together.
The specific email he's referring to is flashed on the screen.
So I had to go and find it.
On the DOJ website.
Both the sender and the recipient are redacted, but the subject line here is preparing for pandemics.
And it has an attachment titled Geneva Meeting on Pandemics.
The body of this email from 2015 reads as follows Please find attached a draft agenda for the meeting on preparing for pandemics.
Let's discuss next steps, for example, how to officially involve the WHO and the ICRC, i.e., co branding.
Best regards, and I hope we can pull this off.
Now, ICRC stands for the International Committee of the Red Cross.
You know, they're behind everything.
They're like the Illuminati or the Freemasons.
There's another 2017 email in the files that conspiracists have circulated in the last few months along these lines.
It appears to be Epstein responding to a forwarded thread between a redacted sender and Bill Gates with Larry Cohen, who was the CEO of Gates Ventures at the time.
The subject line is BGC3, which is the Sort of abbreviation for Gates Ventures, they were using deliverables and scope.
And the body includes a list of those deliverables, seemingly in preparation for the strain pandemic simulation that was eventually run on October 18, 2019, by Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
And on their website, this was described as a high level, 3.5 hour tabletop exercise designed to illustrate how private public partnerships. Would be necessary to handle a pandemic to prevent large scale social and economic consequences.
Willis originally used his own theatrical simulation of the pandemic simulation, he reenacted it for the movie as kind of B roll, as an argument for COVID being nefariously planned.
Instead of just recognizing that it was actually evidence of a lot of qualified government and medical professionals being aware of the dangerous potential for a pandemic like COVID and trying to plan for it.
Code of Creation Documentary00:04:26
Yeah, just wait until Willis finds out that epidemiologists are constantly preparing for pandemics.
Wait until he reads Laurie Garrett, who in the 1990s wrote about the dangers of a coronavirus that would hit the global population.
I mean, that's the film he's going to make once he reads that.
I mean, it's like a 700 page book that I've actually read, and it's fantastic.
But, you know, I'm sure he'll get the Cliffs notes from Russell, you know, at some point.
But, Julian, he actually does have a new film coming out, which is what I want to close with today because Code of Creation is a quote groundbreaking documentary that follows the pioneering work of Lifeway founder and inventor David Schmidt and five world class scientists through a series of biological.
Biblical and mathematical codes, they unravel the greatest mystery of our time.
And the film promises to answer the question can humans live significantly longer than they do today?
I can't wait.
Kind of like the guys in the Bible who lived to 700 years, which of course is definitely that, definitely happened.
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Wow.
I already know your next question.
Who are these five world class scientists?
Well, I looked at the website, which is not actually prepared for mobile.
So you have to make your browser bigger so that you can like see all five of them.
I mean, real high tech stuff they're doing with, but I did look into each of them.
You have Veda Austin, who is a self described water researcher who has tapped into the fluid intelligence of the universe by photographing water for 14 years.
Now, I know, I know.
I thought I said scientist, but silly, silly man, there's no credentials needed.
She photographs water in its quote unquote state of creation.
It sounds like she spends too much time alone with a camera and whatever, you know, water source she's using.
This is not good.
It's the purest water on earth that she's photographing.
So she's definitely a scientist.
Yeah, no, she has no actual credentials, but Willis calls her a scientist.
Next up is Greg Braden.
He received A BS in structural geology and earth sciences in 1982 before going to work for Phillips Petroleum, Cisco, and aerospace companies.
Then he turned into a motivational speaker who blends science and spirituality in the 90s.
You know this guy, Greg Braden?
No, I don't.
You do?
Oh, he's one of the worst.
He's one of the absolute worst pseudoscience, cosmic, quantum, vibration, molecule.
Is a fountain of all of that kind of stuff.
Oh, great.
Maybe you'll know the other ones.
How about Dr. Georgia Perdome?
She is a biologist and a young earth creationist.
That's a tough thing to do.
Right, right.
She actually did get a PhD in molecular genetics, but now she's the director of educational content at Answers in Genesis.
You know, the Jesus Road Dinosaurs people, that's where she works.
Dr. David Martin is an asset underwriter who runs an analyst firm called MCAM.
So I guess he was needed for the biblical math part of this.
And finally, we get to Dr. Jason Lyle, who is a Christian astrophysicist who double majored in physics and astronomy in order to prove that science is in service to whatever Christian God he thinks is the real one.
So he's even written planetarium shows for the Christian.
Museum, the creation museum.
So I'm thinking it's time for a field trip, Julianne.
Oh, okay.
As long as I can write it off on my taxes.
So that's up next for Mickey.
I have a feeling we're going to need a brief on Code of Creation coming soon.
But until then, you know, as we record this on Wednesday, the full Mickey Russell Rumble episode has not even been released yet.
So check it out on Rumble or don't and actually enjoy your life.