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UH-OH! Erika Kirk Goes Off On "Conspiracy Theorists". | Candace Ep 278

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candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you guys.
		Now, I wasn't sure about Erica.
		I was waiting kind of a situation for her to be in, obviously, having lost her husband, becoming the CEO and the chairman of a company.
		It's just a lot of transition, and it's nice to wait for more information before you pre-judge or some, you know, just assume, make an assumption about somebody, and it maybe is not based in reality.
		Well, we are getting a lot more of Erica Kirk this week.
		I'll tell you that because she has been doing the rounds in the media really over the last couple of weeks.
		And she just gave an interview live with Harris Faulkner on Fox News, where she finally addressed the quote-unquote conspiracy theories.
		And I have to say this because it's true, but it completely missed the mark for me.
		I am sorry.
		It just has.
		But the good news is that she is now unmurkying the water in terms of her intentions with this massive political organization.
		That's good news, truly, because we knew Charlie, and now we are getting an opportunity to know Erica.
		Plus, later on in the show, it's knives out for Tucker Carlson.
		As always, he's trending right now because he has officially waded into the who killed Charlie Kirk narrative.
		And since he is not a bought and paid for Fed, he is siding with not just the American people, people worldwide.
		And he says that he's not buying the official narrative.
		And there are some lingering questions.
		And he confirms what I told you about the Egyptian planes.
		So let's jump right back into this.
		welcome back to candace look i have been very patient i I do tend to focus on the evidence that's in front of us.
		Obviously, asking questions when we come up across something that someone has said and it doesn't add up, or if they lied, create a list.
		And you guys were coming after me because I was saying, look, we can write into our imaginations how Erica is thinking or how she's feeling or what she should be wearing, but she hasn't actually said anything yet, right?
		That was my stance.
		She hasn't actually said anything yet.
		Give her a chance, okay?
		And now she is making the rounds in the press because Charlie's book, his post humus book, is coming out about the Sabbath.
		And she's speaking about the quote-unquote conspiracies as she sits down with a lot of these news anchors.
		So, first and foremost, she's sitting down here with Harris Faulkner.
		And I just want to show you a couple of clips from this sit-down, which is now trending.
		And she begins by addressing the question, which has been in the air regarding where Charlie Kirk is buried.
		That question resurfaced this week in a big way because Milo Yiannopoulos and a few others have asserted with absolute certainty that Charlie has not yet been buried.
		That's what they're saying.
		They say they have proof of that.
		And at first, Harris Faulkner is asking about that claim.
		Take a listen.
unidentified		Talk to me about this part of the conspiracies that are out there, this disturbing part that people are trying to guess where Charlie is.
erika kirk ▲ ● ▼		Can I have one thing?
		Can I have one thing?
		Can my children have one thing?
		Everything was public.
		We will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband at Turning Point USA, and it will be for the world to see.
		And it will be spectacular.
		And it will have basically museum style for our Charlie, for my Charlie.
		But can I have one thing?
		Can my babies have one thing where we hold it sacred, where my husband is laid to rest, where I don't have to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying my husband's grave while my daughter is sitting there praying?
		One thing, that this is my husband.
		Yes, he was Charlie Kirk to the world, and I know so many people love my husband, and I am grateful for that, but this is my husband.
		And I want to be able to have one thing left that is sacred to our family, to my in-laws, to my babies, and to my parents.
		One thing.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so on its face, I actually agree with that.
		I think that when people are being buried and where they're being buried and how their funerals are done, that is, that is a very private matter.
		Okay.
		So objectively, I agree with what she's saying, okay?
		But subjectively, because we are dealing with the subject of Erica Kirk and what transpired immediately following Charlie's assassination, this is going to be read as Megan Markle syndrome, okay?
		Megan Markle syndrome, where you want privacy when you want it, but you want publicity whenever you want it.
		And that just doesn't work, okay?
		It doesn't work that way.
		I honestly think it was said best by Bethany Frankl, not related to this situation.
		Bethany Frankl is on Real Housewives, a real, a, a show, a reality show.
		And she was referring to one of the housewives who lived her life very publicly, showcased her marriage, was buying tons of Louis Vuitton bags, and they had tons of money.
		And then when their relationship soured, the housewife basically asked the public for privacy.
		And Bethany was like, no, this isn't how it works.
		Like we were riding with you on the way up.
		We're riding with you on the way out.
		You don't get to like pick and choose when you want privacy and when you don't want privacy.
		And subjectively, as it, you know, in the matter of Erica Kirk, this is the same person who recorded, had somebody record her over Charlie Kirk's casket.
		That was not our business, truly.
		And I can say that decision was made by her.
		And there is, yeah, some credence to the claim that everybody grieves differently.
		I wouldn't even record myself over a casket ever.
		Okay.
		Some people maybe perhaps want to have that memory, but the decision to publish that, you crying over your husband's casket and to publish his dead body on Instagram was a decision that was made by Erica.
		And we can watch that.
		Take a look.
unidentified		I love you.
		I know.
		I love you.
		I lost you so much.
		He loves you.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That is an incredibly personal and an incredibly intimate moment, an intimate moment that you invited the public into, okay?
		There was no reason to do that outside of wanting to share something that was very private with the public.
		And now you fast forward three months removed and it's why why does the public want to know where he's buried?
		It doesn't work like that.
		You have to make a decision.
		I want this always to be private or I want this always to be public.
		That's my personal feedback there.
		Later on in this same interview, she launches into a strong defense of Turning Point USA employees who have just, as a matter of fact, told many lies, many inconsistencies.
		These are verifiable.
		So they are currently lying to the public or they have lied to the public, but she is going to deliver quite an impassioned defense regarding these particular individuals and the organization as a whole.
		And I want you to hear her passion.
		Take a listen.
unidentified		What are they taking from you right now?
erika kirk ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		But I will tell you what they are doing.
		It reminds me so much of chapter six in the book of Nehemiah.
		He is building a wall and the townspeople are at the base of that hill saying, Nehemiah, calling him all these names, saying all these things, come on down.
		Every single time he had the same message four times in a row.
		I cannot come down.
		I am busy building.
		That is how I feel.
		I do not have time to address the noise.
		My silence does not mean that I am complacent.
		My silence does not mean that somehow Turning Point USA and all of the hand-picked staff that loved my husband and my husband loved them is somehow in on it.
		We are busy building.
		And you know what I thought?
		I thought these people are human.
		We are all grieving in our own way.
		And they are trying to find the answer to something that happened that was so evil.
		They are trying so hard.
		And I get that.
		We're doing the same.
		Anytime we hear a lead or anytime we hear anything, we send it to the authorities.
		Please dig into this.
		No rock will be unturned.
		I want justice for my husband, for myself, for my family more than anyone else out there.
		So for me, you want to keep telling me to come down while we're building?
		I don't have time for that.
		But here's my breaking point on that.
		Come after me.
		Call me names.
		I don't care.
		Call me what you want.
		Go down that rabbit hole.
		Whatever.
		But when you go after my family, my Turning Point USA family, my Charlie Kirk show family, when you go after the people that I love and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single episode going after the people that I love because somehow they're in on this.
		No.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, but that whole thing right there is frustrating.
		And I'm going to explain to you why.
		I just do not accept any of that.
		First and foremost, the idea that she does not have time.
		Okay, she definitely has time.
		Okay.
		She's done Hannity.
		She's done the five.
		She's on Fox and Friends.
		She's done Outnumbered.
		She's done Meg and Kelly Live.
		She sat down with the New York Times.
		She made time, by the way, in case you don't remember, to fly to DC for Sergio Gore to be sworn into the ambassador to India, as the ambassador to India, which feels kind of obscure and not necessarily related to Turning Point USA affairs, building affairs or whatever it is.
		But sure, that's fine.
		I mean, obviously, you're also allowed to be a person if that's the homie and that's what you want to do, sure.
		But we are indeed speaking about a coast-to-coast flight to stand up next to somebody and basically say, Charlie loved you.
		That was like the whatever 15-second speech that she gave, right?
		Here's actually, we have a clip of that speech that she gave.
unidentified		We were also very good friends with a guy named Charlie.
		We just know Miss Charlie and his wife who we love so much is here with us.
		And maybe you know how close they were together.
		Maybe, Erica, you could say a couple of words, please.
		Charlie loved you.
erika kirk ▲ ● ▼		It's hard not to get emotional because I know that he would have been the first phone call when he found out that you were going to be taking this position.
		And the way that I was able to witness the two of you work together for years and to champion and support the president was absolutely humbling to witness.
		And I am so proud of you.
		And Charlie is going to be with you every single day in spirit.
		And I will be praying for you every day because I know that this is just the beginning of an incredible opportunity for you.
		And sir, thank you for allowing Sergio to have this beautiful moment.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you, Jess.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's just an ambassador to India swearing in ceremony.
		Again, if that's your friend, you want to be there, that makes sense.
		She's also a person and she can decide what she wants to do there.
		But the point that I am making is that's a coastal flight that she made to be there to watch a paper get signed.
		She has also made time for an upcoming CBS News Town Hall sit-down with Barry Weiss, which was filmed today.
		So Erica Kirk has time.
		She has time.
		It is just what she means to say, not her priority, which is you are allowed to prioritize things in your own life, but this is not a matter of time constraint.
		It is not her priority to respond to the majority, actually.
		The majority of people think of this as BS.
		The majority of people think Turning Point is acting suspicious.
		And she does not feel that it is what she wants to do as a matter of priority, responding.
		Okay.
		That's fine.
		Now, to that point that people are making hundreds and thousands of dollars, I just don't get how there's not someone on this very large PR team as we're seeing these PR campaigns go out that doesn't go, hey, maybe we should strike that.
		You know, like, you know, they made $40 million like two nights ago at Mar-a-Lago.
		Maybe doesn't, maybe that feels kind of a little bit like let them be cake-ish.
		Oh, and we've made more than separately from a Lago, Turning Point USA since Charlie was killed, just so you guys know, this is a fact, has made more than $100 million.
		That is separate from the $40 million they made at Mar-a-Lago the other night.
		So since Charlie has died, that organization has taken in $140 million.
		But gosh, darn you people that are making hundreds of dollars every day on YouTube talking about Charlie Kirk's assassination and the BS narrative that is being fed and the very obvious psychological operation that is being employed to make you accept the BS that they are trying to sell to us.
		Gosh, darn you.
		Thousands?
		Did you make $1,000 today speaking about Charlie Kirk?
		Well, you should be ashamed of yourself, says Turning Point USA, who in large part made that money because of those very people who gave to the organization immediately following Charlie Kirk's assassination.
		And that, the thing that is especially absurd about that is trying to like almost like, I want to be clear that Turning Point USA is my family.
		The Charlie Kirk show is my family.
		You know, like she's, she's just expanding the wings of people that we're not allowed to critique because they're in the family.
		If you call them fam, you can't, we can't critique them, right?
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		We actually are showing a clip of Rob McCoy defending a pedophile or trying to like launder the reputation of that's fam.
		That's the CK show fam.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		Uh, we are actually pointing to the fact that we know for certain that this person in your organization is a sexual deviant.
		That's fam.
		That's my bet.
		Is my don't you get me upset?
		I know that this is a now $150 million in the last three-month organization, and we employ tons of people, but you can't, you can't critique, you can't critique the fam.
		And I hate to say this, but I'm going to be very clear here.
		This is why there are many people who do not believe that women are equipped to lead companies because what you are watching here is an unbelievably emotional response that is absent of any logic.
		Okay.
		If you really care about your team, answer the questions, okay?
		Just demystify the entire event.
		Answer, come out, sit down, answer the questions so people don't think Turning Point USA looks so suspicious.
		Don't try to like mom the organization and say, Well, mother's upset because people are coming after her kids and all of the subsidiary multi-million dollar subsidiaries.
		That's my children, okay?
		The multi-million dollar subsidiaries, turning point, like turning point action, all that, those are my kids.
		So you can't critique them.
		Not a good idea.
		Okay.
		It may work in the PR world.
		You guys, I know how it's an obvious PR campaign.
		It's never been more obvious of a psychological operation.
		I actually wish they would put me on payroll so I could help them make these things look more organic than having every single person that has been telling us to stop asking questions all make the exact same video within four seconds of each other being like, whoa, whoa, Erica Kirk shuts down.
		No, she didn't even respond to one of the conspiracies.
		She gave us a motion.
		She gave us emotion.
		She said, I'm a mother, I am a wife.
		And we never asked about whether she was mother or wife.
		We want to know if she is a CEO and a chairman.
		And a CEO and a chairman has to compromentalize.
		A CEO and a chairman cannot respond to valid questions and critiques about finances, about shady actions that are being taken by people that require presidential pardons, people that are meaningfully asking why we are not getting a clear answer of what took place in September 10th.
		A CEO, okay, does not get to respond and say, that's my family.
		Okay, that's my, that's my, that is what I, that's the energy of what I would expect from a mother speaking to a teacher, which I was this mom, like, that's my kid.
	Okay.
	And there, I'll shut this down right now.
	That's my child.
	This is not a child.
	Turning point USA is an organization, and Erica already had an uphill battle to climb, like that she had to climb this.
	Because by the way, just because if this was Goldman Sachs and the president of Goldman Sachs or managing director over at Goldman Sachs died in a horrifically violent way, the Goldman Sachs family might mourn for a couple of months, but they would have instantly had someone to replace that individual.
	And beyond that, they would have never accepted the public and the people that are investing money.
	They would have never accepted, well, he's gone, but here's his wife.
	She already had a hill to climb here, right?
	Like, this does not make you qualified because you love someone to take on their job.
	I am not qualified to do what my husband does.
	That's why I said I wouldn't want to be the CEO and the chairman of a company.
	Actually, there's a great clip of Jordan Peterson asking that very question.
	Like, why do women want to be?
	Like, why would you want to have?
	It's actually a lot of work and it's very stressful and it's a lot of numbers and you're crunching numbers and you have to be everywhere.
	Okay.
	If you want that, great.
	If you built the company and you're in the room like Charlie Kirk did, and you have proven to the public, like, hey, I built this company.
	I didn't even go to college and I've been doing this for over a decade as Charlie Kirk did.
	You've earned that street cred.
	Okay.
	So she already had a hill decline because now they're saying, well, this is his wife.
	And so, you know, that's it.
	Well, now you're going to have to prove that you have the ability to be a CEO and a chairman and not just a wife who we expect emotion from.
	And you have, you're rightful in that capacity.
	You are rightful to have emotion.
	You are rightful to be the aggrieved widow, but you don't get to just be widowed into the position of chairman and CEO.
	You don't get to respond to, well, in this case, investors, donors who have given money and are asking meaningful questions with, no, you don't, you don't, you don't get replies right now because this, this is the Charlie Kirk show fam.
	Doesn't work this way.
	Okay.
	And the broader point removed from Erica, which a lot of these mockingbird influencers seem to be making, is essentially they're saying to us that scientific inquiry and investigation in and of itself is now patently wrong, right?
	Essentially, we should just trust the state.
	Don't believe your own instincts.
	Don't believe your own eyes.
	Don't ask any questions.
	And I really want to stress to you guys how utterly ridiculous that logic is, right?
	Because if we followed that logic in any other situation, there would never be a crime solved ever.
	Okay.
	If we just ascribe to the idea that scientific investigation is on its face wrong, it would not work.
	I'll give you a crappy analogy here.
	But imagine if there's like some young mother and she dies suddenly in the middle of the night, presumably in the middle of the night, and her husband is the first one to report it in the morning.
	And the cops show up who happen to be his buddies.
	They get there and then they dramatically close the case in 48 hours.
	And neighbors are like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Excuse me, officers.
	Actually, you might want to know some other facts here about this guy.
	Like, you know, he's in the mafia.
	These people would be like, how dare you question the people closest to he loved her?
	That's his wife.
	Being a gang member is not evidence.
	Why are you saying he's a gang member?
	It's not evidence.
	And you had another nosy neighbor who produces evidence that in the middle of the night before she died, they saw the guy outside, the husband outside removing cameras in the front yard.
	That's not evidence.
	Yeah, but I saw him go out in the middle.
	He put something in his car in a trunk.
	He was looking shady.
	That's not evidence.
	How dare you find that to be suspicious?
	More nosy neighbors start discussing and they were like, hey, we heard him.
	They were having actually a heated argument before she was found dead.
	It was, I think it was about money.
	All of a sudden, next thing you know, you got Allie Stuckey from the HOA.
	She blasts out an email and she says, it's unbiblical.
	It's unbiblical to gossip.
	Hearing an argument is not hard evidence.
	You have no right to discuss it.
	Yeah, we're the nosy neighbors.
	Okay.
	We put together a list of 20 verifiable lies that have been told in the weeks following this sudden death event.
	And yeah, we have some questions.
	So we're not going to accept Tim Poole jumping on the airwaves with big estrogen energy, telling us we're evil because we have like school board elections next Thursday.
	We're the nosy neighbors.
	We don't care about the elections coming up.
	We want to know whether or not we are in bed with people who are capable of murder, people that are capable of covering up murders.
	Actually, we, the nosy neighbors, feel a little bit less safe in this neighborhood until we know whether or not there are some psychopathic killers in our midst.
unidentified		How about that?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's how I feel.
		I think that's how a lot of people feel right now.
		So I want to express that.
		And this psychological campaign filled with emotional manipulation and how dare you and oh, the, you know, the aggrieved widow speaks.
		And so we, you're not allowed to question a $150 million organization.
		No, I reject it.
		I reject that 100%.
		Which is why I will say it has arrived as a blast of fresh air that on this very same day, Tucker Carlson is standing up to the nonsense.
		He's not speaking about Erica, obviously.
		He is friends with Erica, but just the nonsense of what the FBI is saying, he's waiting in and saying, yeah, the FBI is not being clear in what happened.
		And I have questions because, and I think it feels like a fresh air, a blast of fresh air because I, and I know many people at home, are seeing all of these people that we followed and we thought that they were hero heroes.
		And suddenly this assassination has exposed them all to be frauds.
		You know, like for the right price, they will join Operation Mockingbird.
		For me personally, that is how I feel.
		Okay.
		Like people in the military that I thought were forthright, people that were journalists that I thought were forthright, I just am so let down.
		And I don't think I would have been able to handle if Tucker Carlson was among those people.
		The, you need hard evidence, as if the killer is going to walk in and be like, okay, here's how I did it.
unidentified		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to give you the hard evidence.
		I was here, here, there.
		Like, what?
		Instead, Tucker Carlson is coming out and he is blasting the corporate and the Fed narrative with common sense.
		He joined Theo Vaughan, and here is what he had to say.
		Take a listen.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand the official story at all.
		I don't.
		I don't.
		I don't understand it.
		And I want to make sure that there is a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it.
		And I'm definitely concerned about that.
		A. B, I think that one of the, I don't know many of the details, but I know that recently Candace said that Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, around for a number of years in different places in the world.
		That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.
		And I just want to say that that is factually true.
		That's true.
		So that's like the one data point that I happen to know is true.
		What does that mean?
		I have literally no idea.
		I can't even guess, but that's very, very strange.
		And what is Egyptian?
unidentified		It could mean aircraft from Egypt.
unidentified		Who knows?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I think that they were registered in Egypt.
		Got it.
		And so, but that fact is true.
		So that enough and also her claim that, you know, there were kind of a disproportionately large number of foreign registered cell phones at the event.
		That's also true.
		So what does that add up to?
		I don't know, but it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to look in every direction and to be open-minded as you would in any investigation in journalism and science.
		It's all the same process.
		I don't know the answer.
		And I'm going to sift through everything as open-mindedly as I can, as honestly as I can, to get to what the truth is.
		That's again, that's science.
		That's law enforcement.
		That's journalism.
		It's all the same.
		That's justice.
		And I just want to make sure that is happening.
		And I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it.
		And I'm not saying that out of ignorance at all.
		That's a scary part, too.
		I'm not alleging anything.
		I'm just saying I think it's really important that we have that.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That is what authenticity sounds like.
		And that's what we're doing here.
		We are investigating.
		Sometimes you get something wrong, you correct it.
		But I was right about the Egyptian planes.
		And when you hear Tucker Carlson say that he is confirming that that part is true, what I take from that, Tuck Carlson has been very clear.
		He grew up with CIA agents.
		Okay.
		This is a guy who grew up in Virginia.
		His father, he learns after his father died, he thought he was just working with the CIA.
		No, his father was on the payroll of the CIA.
		So Tucker's friends are in the state.
		So you should take it as a concrete fact that there's something up with these Egyptian planes.
		And they were in fact following around Charlie and they were flying around Erica, as I told you.
		And that means people in the NSA, the CIA are confirming that that is real.
		And yet, just last week, what we got from Blake Neff, and I know he's untouchable, he's in the fam, but I'm going to go ahead and touch that and say, like, this is not okay.
		The vibe is not right, is making a mockery of it.
		That is what we mean when we say none of this is passing the vibe check with Turning Point USA.
		There's no clear answers.
		There's mockery.
		There's laughter, but there's no clear answers.
		And the mockery and the laughter is not working.
		Neither are is this idea that, well, now the widow has spoken.
		We're not dealing with the widow.
		We want the CEO and the chairman of Turning Point USA to answer.
		Okay.
		You got, if you can't compromise, then I don't see how you're going to be able to lead this organization in the future because Charlie, Charlie worked.
		We knew who Charlie was because he was authentic.
		Okay.
		He didn't just go, well, I only make time for like big pocket donors.
		Okay.
		He was sitting college campuses.
		He was speaking to people, understanding people.
		He was changing his ideas and he was changing minds.
		And you are not changing my mind about the fact that something weird happened that day and that TPUSA is acting funny because you give her give it an impassioned plea and speak about Nehemiah on Fox News.
		Okay.
		None of it makes any sense.
		Anyways, Tucker then goes on and states the obvious predicament further, which is that we just don't have any faith in the government.
		Take a listen to him discussing some of these lingering questions.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I am concerned about.
		A lot of things.
		One, he acted alone.
		Tell me how that worked.
		I don't, you know, none of us really act alone.
		It's hard to go anywhere by yourself.
		Thank you.
		Exactly.
		You acted totally alone.
unidentified		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to prove that to me?
		It's totally possible.
		Anything is possible.
		Weird things have happened.
		We'll continue to.
		But if you're, that's not my default assumption and it shouldn't be yours.
		And their default assumption was we acted alone.
		Really?
		Why do you think that?
		What about life suggests that people typically act alone?
		What was the last time you acted alone in anything?
		I don't go to, you know, right?
		So A, B, we know that people had foreknowledge of this because they posted about it on X and said Charlie Kirk is going to be killed on this date.
		And he was.
		Is that true?
		Yes, it's true.
unidentified		Were they just guessing?
unidentified		Was it a guessing thing where every day they maybe, maybe.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Have those people been interviewed?
		Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a long conversation with how they knew that?
		Like, let's get really specific.
		Why did you post that?
		Who have you talked to?
		Like, if I were doing this investigation, because I spent my whole life doing non-criminal investigations called journalism, like, what do we know is true?
		How do we find out?
		Call everybody.
		Be open-minded.
		It's like a very, it's the same process.
		If I was doing this investigation, they would be at the very top of the list.
		Tell me how this guy who seemed normal became a radical trans furry murderer.
		It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans.
		I'm not pro-trans, by the way.
unidentified		But was that the guy or his boyfriend?
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
		Exactly.
		Right.
		Tell me how this guy became so radicalized that he murdered a stranger.
		I'm not saying it didn't happen.
		I'm saying I want an explanation for how it happened.
		Why wouldn't I?
unidentified		I agree.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we can't talk about that because it'll prejudice the jury pool.
		Really, you've told the world that you have both a confession from him in his text to his boyfriend and the murder weapon with his fingerprints on it.
		I think you've got a pretty solid case.
		So why is it so difficult to just explain?
		So I have said from the beginning, if you don't like what Candace Owens is saying, why don't you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for what happened?
unidentified		Oh, she's bad.
		She's bad.
		Okay.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I like her a lot.
		I don't think she's bad, but I love her actually.
		But let's just stipulate she's bad, but why wouldn't you do that?
unidentified		I don't agree with some of the stuff that the rabbit holes she goes down, but I don't even know.
unidentified		But I like the fact that she likes to dig in the garden, you know.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Theo, we are in this garden, okay?
		And we're not getting out of this garden with the FedSlop narrative.
		We're just not getting out of the garden with trying to emotionally manipulate us and say it's not, this feels like COVID, right?
		It's not like COVID-19.
		It's like Candace 19.
		It's another fake, it's a fake virus.
		Like, oh, you got infected.
		You just can't do it.
		Six feet social distancing from Candace Owens.
		We're going to get every influencer on social media.
		Six feet social distancing, save lives.
unidentified		What are you?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		A grandma killer?
unidentified		What?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You just don't like him.
		And then Tim's all fired up.
		She's a C word.
		People are going to die if you don't get this vaccine.
		And I'm like, I feel like maybe the government's not telling us the truth.
		We're right back to that, but it's Candace 19.
		It's Candace 19.
		That's what it is.
		And they think that maybe if they put the little six feet social distancing pads in the grocery store, that the PSYOP will win and make us believe that this is like common sense is the virus.
		I'm the common sense virus.
		It's coming around.
unidentified		So evil.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Stay at home.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Wear a mask.
unidentified		Save lives.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to catch it.
		You don't want to catch the common sense, you guys.
		You don't want to catch it.
		Anyways, I dare.
		I'm sorry, I dare.
		And I have been very careful because I wasn't sure what direction she was going to go.
		If she was like, I was like, look, she's got a whole business that she's got to figure out.
		There's a lot of people in her ear.
		Maybe they like did this transition too quickly and she's just like keeping her head.
		Like, no, what she's saying is turning point USA is untouchable.
		And it's a no from me, but you know me.
		I'm just out here saying what needs to be said.
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		You guys, Candace 19 is crazy.
		Okay.
		I'm worried.
		Trust the influencers.
		You know, people who are in the chat say, we need some Candace 19 merch.
		Yeah.
		Don't go Max, get the VAX.
		That's what Mark is saying.
		We're going to get some gear for you guys.
		Don't go Max, get the VAX.
		That's the vibe right now.
		How many influencers is it going to take to get everyone to roll up their sleeves and not go max?
		That's where we're at right now.
		How many people do you have to send out to tell them?
		Please, please do it.
		Wild.
		Okay.
		I didn't get the vax.
		I didn't get the COVID-19 vax.
		I'm about getting whatever the heck this is.
		Okay.
		Which is honestly on its face, federal stupidity is what it is.
		Now, I can also tell you that because my mommy sleuths, they're so fast before stuff even ends.
		I get tips about things.
		And Erica literally today sat down with Barry Weiss.
		It's been marketed all over.
		They're going to have this big sit-down, a conversation moderated by Barry.
		It's going to feature voices from across the political spectrum.
	They're going to talk about grief.
	And I got this email after, and it's interesting.
	I got actually a couple of emails, but I'm going to read this one to you because it was a town hall-ish event.
	Here's what they said went down.
	This person writes, I just came from the CVS, by the way, whoever wrote this email, I love you.
	I just love all the mommy sleuths that are this quickly, that are this quick.
	They wrote, I just came from the CVS Times Erica Kirk Town Hall, and this is what she said about the conspiracies and Candace.
	One, Erica said she was pregnant when the Egyptian planes were flying and following her.
	So she wasn't on them.
	She said she has photo proof.
unidentified		Huh?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Did I ever accuse Erica of being on Egyptian planes?
		When I found the Egyptian planes, I was concerned that they were following Charlie because I thought, wow, has there been a foreign government that has been tracking his events?
		Like maybe, I don't know, like running through the operation early.
		And then we broaden it, broadened it when someone clue us into the fact that actually these planes have been following Erica.
		You just heard Terra Crossing confirm that.
		I thought she'd be concerned.
		Instead, she's going to tell us on Saturday that she wasn't on the planes.
		I never said you were on the planes.
		Why would I think you were on the Egyptian planes?
		I don't like, well, that would be, I don't think that you took off and went to Wilmington, Delaware.
		I know you didn't go to Wilmington, Delaware on Dave Charlie Cook assassination.
		I find that answer to be lacking.
		Okay.
		That is weird to me.
		It's a weird answer to give.
		And by the way, you can fly when you're pregnant, even if you were on the Egyptian plane.
		That's a possibility when you're pregnant.
		So I don't understand that part at all.
		Two, when Barry asked her about the conspiracies and what she had to say to those saying them, Erica said, stop.
		No.
		Three, not about Candace, but she talked about Israel and said good things about Jews and how TPUSA is having Shabbat dinner.
unidentified		No, I didn't read that before we went live.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm fast.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		You guys, I want you to know, in addition to the fact that Charlie, in the last couple of days, wanted people to know that Mikey is fantastic and super calor fragile, so it is bealodocious, and he had this whole vision, and that Rob McCoy was his favorite pastor, and that you should buy Josh Hammer's book.
		He also wants you to know to just be a Jew.
		I think we get it.
		We get it.
		Those are his last words.
		Okay.
		We get it.
unidentified		Just like, okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Anyways, moving on from that.
		I want to say to the 39 bajillion of you who are in the military who emailed us to let me know that I misspoke yesterday.
		Okay.
		I even said to you ahead of time, I said, I don't know military vernacular.
		I don't know these terms.
		It's like another language.
		And you guys are not aware of yourselves.
unidentified		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So you critiqued me for saying E4, E3 when I should have said 06.
		I'm jotting down these notes.
		I'm having a conversation.
		I'm trying to fact check things.
		And for me, I was focusing on the timeline of where he was.
		I was like getting all of the proof from our military guy who was there for this meeting on September 9th and saw someone on September 8th as well.
		And I misspeak, okay?
		Because you guys basically speak Japanese.
		You don't realize you do, but you do.
		You speak Japanese.
		And I said E4, E3.
		And I went back and I checked the notes and actually he said 06s.
		Thank you.
		Thank you for your 26 billion emails to let me know that I don't know ish about the military.
		Okay.
		It was a human error.
		I made it very clear that I am just, I am ignorant when it comes to the military.
		I will own that.
		And so please just be nice to me sometimes where it's a lot of information, a lot of researching.
		And I just wanted to confirm he said he was where he said he was and take those notes.
		But no, he did not.
		He was very clear.
		I checked the notes that he has said 06.
		I think I made the mistake when I transferred my notes because he said colonels or captains.
		Then I was, I googled it and then I edited it thinking that maybe I heard him wrong.
		It was over a one hour phone call.
		Anyways, regarding him, for those of you guys that emailed us, I told you you can trust that we are not just taking a thumbs up from someone.
		There's a lot of research that goes into all of these things.
		And we were able to confirm everything he said was real.
		He gave us his card.
		They swiped on to the base.
		And now, because you guys sent so many emails and actually people who were on that base in Arizona, the Wachuca base in Arizona, adding further credence to his claim is we've been able to since verify two more things from other people that are currently stationed there.
		First and foremost, I should tell you we have a positive ID on Captain Neff.
		He was not sure what Captain Neff's first name was.
		It was in fact Adam Neff.
		And I'm sure captains have different names, but Adam Neff of the 10th Mountain Division is the individual.
		I sent picture options to him as your emails were coming in.
		And then someone said, Adam Neff.
		I sent it and he confirmed that that is the correct person.
		There were several, obviously, but Adam Neff was leading the interrogation of him.
		And it checks out because that is the division from New York.
		Also, we have now confirmed, and this is exciting because we got a lot of emails going, oh, like if this was really this like meeting, people wouldn't have known it was taking place.
		They would have used a like, you know, empty building or something like that.
		Well, guess what?
		We have confirmed from people currently stationed on the base that JTF is indeed using a building.
		I'm not going to name the building.
		I know the exact one because I don't want to, I don't accidentally violate national security, but effectively they are borrowing a building.
		So it's effectively unmarked in that sense.
		And that that building has been turned into, please forgive me if I get this wrong, but I'm reading it direct from the email, SCIF, which stands for a sensitive compartmented information facility.
		Okay.
		So they have since added barbed wire around that facility for additional security.
		Cell phones and other electronics are not allowed.
		This is where he saw the meeting, by the way, unless they are government issued.
		They are not allowed in that building.
		And it requires top clearance to be granted access into that building.
		Again, we have now verified this outside of this individual who was definitively telling the truth.
		He sent me so much documentation that it was like, I could have showed you everything.
		His old passport, his new passport, his military ID card, hotels, books, times, text messages, phone call logs with his wife.
		It just really is a circumstance that this man has either the worst or the best luck ever when it comes upon, when it comes to him sort of stumbling upon military operations, right?
		First he finds this cartel tunnel when he's 20.
		Now we fast forward, he's 56, and he just was getting some coffee.
		And someone's like, yeah, actually, yeah, no, that's, that's the old boys are getting back together in this unmarked building.
		And he stumbles in there.
		It also, by the way, does provide an explanation for why they panicked when he just walked in there because they were like, he should not have known that this building was here.
	They didn't buy his excuse.
	It's, you know, seven hours later, they allowed him to leave or Captain Neff allowed him to leave.
	Now we can also give you some more information that gets really interesting.
	Okay.
	Remember, Harry told me that seeing that many, is it, I hope it's 06.
	Is it 06?
	Do not email me.
	Okay.
	He said it is not common unless, and he specifically said there were some high-ranking congressional member or someone close to like, you know, the president, like the vice president.
	Well, we received another tip that makes things especially compelling.
	So I'm going to just read you this email in its entirety.
	We have fact-checked it.
	It is true.
	Trust us to fact-check stuff, by the way, by the way.
	By the way, guys, we would not just randomly be like, thumbs up.
	We're just going to go with that.
	This person writes, I just wanted to bring to your attention that on September 8th, that's when he says that he saw some funny business, 2025, a U.S. government plane, a special air mission plane, caught my eye.
	This is what I found about that particular plane that is based out of Andrews Air Force Base, shown as Camp Springs below.
	U.S. Air Force C-37A Gulfstream is a Gulfstream 5 is a VIP jet, part of a unit that caters to senior members of the executive branch and Congress.
	Plane number is 99-0404.
	As you'll see on the screenshot below, on September 7th, the plane flew from Andrews to Colorado Springs.
	On September 8th, it flew from Colorado Springs to Tucson, then five hours later from Tucson.
	And then the transponder appears to be turned off.
	However, at 1231 p.m. on September 9th, it flies from Fort Huachuca to El Paso and then El Paso back to St. Andrews.
	Now, why is that interesting?
	Okay.
	Because that means the timeline that he gave us is exactly right.
	This meeting took place early in the morning.
	I think it was what, 7:37, where all this happened.
	And then he's saying, he said he assumed it was like a high-ranking congressional person or somebody that potentially could be in the cabinet.
	This guy is saying that's what that plane is used for.
	And he also brings in El Paso.
	Remember, El Paso, Texas is where all those weird flights were coming from on the day of Charlotte Hirsch's assassination.
	So that is extremely compelling.
	And like I said, having spoken to this individual who is planning to come out and do podcasts and speak about that, he's trying to figure it out, which I'm going to help him with this weekend to figure out whose show he can go on and speak more.
	It's lining up.
	Like this is, this is actually tracking.
	I had a sense when I spoke to him that his memory could be trusted.
	Okay.
	He was very forthright.
	He was very honest.
	I mean, he was so honest.
	He was like, when I said, oh, is it maybe this, Captain Neff?
	He was like, ma'am, like, I, I don't want to give you any information that's wrong.
	I would put that at about maybe 65, 60 to 65% that it could be this person until I gave him the correct NF and he was like, 100%, that's the guy that questioned me.
	So I trust, I trust him.
	And by the way, his heart exploded when I told him about all the emails of people that were in the military currently that were very moved by his story, people who have had the experience of doing the right thing in the military and be treating, being treated as though they did something wrong for doing their job and serving the American people.
	Everybody knows there's corruption everywhere, especially at the top.
	And to all the service members that sent those emails, I want you to know that he was, he said he was close to tears and he was just on his knees, him and his wife, just thanking God because they never thought their story was ever going to come out about what happened to him when he was 20.
	And that is just something that is really, that's why I said there's so much God in this because like he either has the best or worst luck, but he just happens to be in the wrong place at the right time, maybe in the right place at the wrong time.
	Who knows?
	History will tell us.
	Continuing the rest of that email from the person who gave us that tip about this plane, he concludes it by saying, this is the only time that I have noticed that this plane was in Fort Huachuca.
	If your contact that you mentioned yesterday saw this group of men in the morning, it could line up well with what this aircraft leaving at 1143 a.m. on the 9th.
	From other searches I've done, it appears that Pam Bondi flew on this plane approximately five months ago from Tampa area back to DC.
	I am looking into other flights.
	Please be safe and God bless.
	Guys, we have a clue and we should keep going with that.
	I just, I don't know.
	When he contacted me, it was the way I told you it went about me praying and like, and then suddenly I get this email and I speak to him and he's like so credible and just gives everything.
	I think we need to keep prodding this narrative of what happened and what he said that he saw.
	And he described it as a meeting that when the operation is being finalized, a finalization meeting, that, and he seems like he knows what he's speaking about.
	So that's what I have for you guys today.
	Oh, wait, there's also something else about that plane.
	I got to bring in Mark to mansplain it.
	I'll just bring you on, Mark.
	I'm not even going to tee you up there.
	Just come on.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Great introduction.
		So I was looking at the logs for that flight and the flights in question are towards the center of the screen.
		You can see it goes from Tucson, the transponder goes dark.
		That's what that dash means there.
		But what really stood out to me were the call signs, which are basically the fourth column from the left.
		So you can see it's using RCH, which is REACH.
		That's a standard Air Force call sign designator.
		But when someone important is on the plane, it switches their call sign to Sam, which stands, as you said, for special air mission, which is typically reserved for people like the vice president, cabinet secretaries, senior officials of the executive branch, congressional delegations, and other senior political leaders.
		So what that tells me is the call sign from Tucson to Fort Huachuca is a standard REACH.
		Everything before that is as well.
		But once it gets to Fort Huachuca and takes off, it switches to Sam.
		So that tells me they picked up someone of that stature in Fort Huachuca.
		And then just to avoid confusion, the Venus call sign is just when the plane is empty, it doesn't have anyone on it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's actually very, very helpful.
		And I think, like I said, there's something here.
		There is definitely something here.
		And I do believe that God put that man again.
		He has the worst luck.
		Our guy, Harry, has the worst luck down or the best lockdown in Fort Huachuca.
		But I'm certainly glad he was there.
		So you'll definitely be hearing from him directly.
		I would assume next week I'm going to help him figure things out.
		He's like, I don't know how to work these podcasts and computers and how to get my message out there.
		We will definitely assist.
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		I love that it is so faithful.
		And, you know, we're always talking about biblical characters, but nobody wants to address Jesus.
		Remember, he was betrayed.
		The story might be relevant.
		We're going to be out here acting like it's a conspiracy.
		Yeah, it was a conspiracy when Judas betrayed him.
		And it was for money.
		Like that might be a relevant narrative when you're out here like trying to make it seem like it's never happened in the history of the world.
		It has happened.
		And yeah, I don't know.
		He was denied.
		He was denied, just as he said.
		So I want to just be clear that it is, of course, plausible.
		It is very plausible.
		It is more than plausible that when a company grows that size, there are people that become motivated by things that are not just truth and justice and things that feel sparkly and sprinkly and like make you feel good on the inside.
		Okay.
		The reality is, is life is ugly.
		Okay.
		Many people have to deal with deceit and dishonesty the bigger they get.
		And we heard that from Charlie's own mouth, what he was going through.
		Okay.
		I wouldn't have guessed his last words were effectively as if we're all getting the vibes here, like, you know, just like go be a Jew.
		But no, no, I just, I feel like he was under pressure actually from a lot of his Jewish quote unquote friends.
		And not even, there hasn't even been any honesty provided from Turning Point USA in that regard.
		It's like we're getting no honesty at all.
	And I'm wondering why, because this feels like a very poorly run PR show.
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	Okay, let's get to some of your comments before the influencers come out and tell you it's evil, evil after that Fox News hit for us to say, actually, I still have questions.
	They do.
	The top comment from yesterday is they want us to believe that Charlie's neck was made of steel and the Twin Towers were made of neck bones.
	Got it.
	Yeah, we're at that stage of a psychological operation.
	That's it.
	None of it's making sense.
	That is so well put.
	It is upside down land.
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	And thank you, by the way, that's a massive donation.
	Vital to separate flaws from race.
	We can criticize corrupt Jews without blanket anti-Semitism, critiquing George Floyd because he died of fentanyl in the hospital isn't hating black people.
	Stop equating criticism of Israel, Soros, et cetera, with Jew hating or self-hating if you're Jewish and critical of all governments, including Israel.
	Most people are not racist.
	And then this person is making a joke, maybe Blake Neff.
	I didn't look into the Blake Neff thing or why he left Fox News because I'm just more interested in his military connections because that caught me by surprise.
	But you are absolutely on the money.
	Obviously, we can criticize people and this sort of cheap tactic of being like, oh, it's kind of the same thing we're talking about.
	It's emotional manipulation.
	It's like, whoa, what are you saying?
	And it's like, no, there is corruption everywhere.
	And you are not removed from corruption because of who you work for, what you look like, what sex you are.
	It is always plausible and actually highly plausible, typically when money is involved.
	Lulu Mallory writes, the more I watch, the more fake and gay things are.
	We all have been given the light of Christ to discern truth from lies.
	Candace speaks truth.
	Go Max, Candace.
	Charlie deserves nothing less.
	You are correct.
	And I don't trust the feds.
	And I don't believe that that is a sufficient enough answer that, well, we're giving, we're telling the feds to do that.
	Well, I can tell you the feds are not doing that because I was the one who said I had the information about the French Foreign Legion being on the ground with David.
	Charlie was assassinated and the feds have not reached out to me.
	So shouldn't that concern Erica?
	Shouldn't she be like, hey, why didn't you, why didn't you reach out to me and say, like, you know, hey, I'd like the information if no one's reached out to you?
	Like, why is that not happening?
	This is what I mean when I say that the reaction doesn't feel to the public as what we and yeah, I'm generalizing here because there is such a thing as a general response.
	What we would do in the same circumstance, like we would be like, whoa, even if I trusted the feds and I trusted my legal team and trusted their analysis that there was just one person involved, as soon as some podcaster was like, hey, I found Egyptian planes and they're being kind of shady, I would be like, whoa, that is weird.
	Are we, what's up with these Egyptian planes?
	They're just making jokes.
	There's something not right with that.
	Like making jokes about something that you should be concerned at the very least about, even if it turned out that it led nowhere, which it has not turned out that it led nowhere.
	It actually led somewhere and it's been confirmed.
	Why are you not concerned?
	I just need an answer for why they are never concerned.
	Meryl Gerstenmeyer writes: It seems to me Erica's moral outrage is manufactured more for an elite target audience as opposed to those normal folks who want to solve the actual murder.
	It does feel, I would say, it feels elite.
	I don't have time for the little people.
	Okay.
	I don't have time for you small pocket donors.
	I got time, but like it's going to be spent with power.
	It's going to be spent in the West Wing.
	It's going to be spent raising $40 million at Mar-a-Lago.
	When we say building, what we mean is like a financial arsenal.
	And it's easier to appease people who are billionaires than to build a grassroots movement.
	That's what Turning Point USA was.
	It's not anymore, clearly, but it was a grassroots organization.
	That was the pitch.
	That was why I worked for them.
	The idea that you could get on the ground when nobody knew us, nobody knew me and Charlie, and we could get on stage and we could convince people what we believed in.
	Okay.
	Every conversation mattered in those times.
	Every debate mattered.
	Every feeling that a person had, even if it was valid or not valid, it mattered.
	And now we get the sense that this is the RNC.
	So if you ain't spending for a table, you ain't getting a response.
	Okay.
	Because we busy.
	We very busy.
	H. Biz writes: Who was the woman in the pickup truck?
	I don't know who the woman was in the pickup truck.
	You're referring to what Harry, I mean, Harry thinks he has an idea and he should come out and he should share his story.
	I would be interested to see if he is, like I said, I can tell you he was factually there, that the meeting happened now exactly as he said it happened at exactly what time he says it happened.
	I cannot confirm his own eyes.
	I can't confirm his memory of who he believes he saw.
	We can't confirm it.
	It was Brian Harpole.
	We can't, you know, was it a Brian Harpole look alike?
	Do a lot of military men look the same?
	He is certain he saw Brian Harpole.
	Give him time to come out and tell his story.
	Servant of Yahweh writes, Who was the young woman in the Candlewood Suites hotel with the special ops guy?
	They left in the green truck on September 8th.
	If you or anyone you know works at that hotel and that has that security footage, please get it to Candace before it gets deleted.
	I would imagine if he is right, that footage is deleted.
	But that would still be a clue if it was deleted.
	So yeah, if you work for the Candlewood Suites Hotel at the military base, could you check that footage, please, for us on September 8th?
	More tips at candaceowens.com is who you can send that tip to.
	What you do and stay in at the Candlewood Suites Hotel.
	Sorry, that's an old hip hop song.
	I'm out of control.
	I need to, I obviously, I'm sorry, guys.
	This is a new strand of Candace 19.
	And it's resistant.
	It is absolutely resistant, even to the backs.
	So, anyways, you guys, we're going to keep going, Max.
	And I am going to keep on this, see what comes of this.

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