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Megyn Kelly Goes SCORCHED EARTH On Those Lying About Charlie Kirk. | Candace Ep 263

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candace owens ▲ ● ▼		All right, you guys, happy Wednesday.
		I don't know what these people thought.
		I really, I don't know what they thought.
		I think they thought Charlie Kirk would get assassinated.
		They would very quickly bury him in a Yamaka and then convince the world that he was actually besties with Ben Shapiro and Josh Hammer.
		He didn't even know Candace Owens.
		His last words before he died were, honor the Sabbath and buy Josh Hammer's book.
		Yeah.
		And also he had just written this Romeo and Juliet letter to Bibi Net and Yahoo.
		I feel like that was kind of the plan.
		But look, the best laid plans, they can fall apart.
		And I can tell you guys, this one is falling apart.
		It is like an avalanche of truth that is just coming at the Zionist lobby because they were just sloppy in these lies, these post-mortem lies.
		Anyways, Megan Kelly, okay, from the top ropes, she just swooped in and did something unexpected by slamming these people.
		Really, she didn't even try to slam them.
		She just told the truth.
		She produced video evidence of what Charlie said to Tucker backstage at the Student Action Summit in July.
		We're going to get to that.
		Also, do you guys remember how everybody was freaking out when I told the truth about how long it normally takes for Turning Point USA events to come together on campus?
		Well, I always told you when they freak out, it's a clue.
		And now I know why they are kind of freaking out.
		And I'm going to tell you.
		So welcome back to Candace.
		Okay, I'm excited for today, for the rest of the week, because we have got some very interesting updates for you in the Charlie Kirk assassination.
		The assassination that seems to have broken the brains of Zionists.
		They are not acting right.
		Can we all agree?
		Zionists are not acting right.
		They are panicking, panicking so much that they randomly sent Ben Shapiro out into the daylight.
		And that, my friends, like I said, is a move, okay?
		Sarah C would never send Joffrey Lannister into battle, right?
		And they just went ahead and did that.
		And he lied to Megan Kelly's face.
		It is never a good idea to lie full stop.
		Definitely not a good idea to lie to a woman's face.
		And definitely, definitely not a good idea to lie to her face and try to humiliate her on her own tour.
		I personally would have strongly advised against it.
		Okay.
		I, if somebody said, is this a good idea?
		I would have said, yeah, you know what?
		Let's maybe not do that.
		But it happened.
		And it's important to stress here that this was not just a simple mistake that Ben made, right?
		That's always a possibility that Ben really thought maybe he's backstage and sees something on Twitter.
		And somebody said, Candace just said that Erica Kirk murdered Charlie.
		And then he gets on stage and he repeats it.
		Maybe it's just an accident.
		Highly unlikely, but of course, you have to run that plausibility.
		But we can now confirm that that certainly was not the case.
		This was not a simple mistake because in the days following it, he didn't recant.
		He did not modify.
		He did not correct.
		He has a platform.
		He could have just come out and said, oh, you know, I got the details wrong.
		Nope.
		This was a premeditated and a post-meditated lie, okay?
		Intended to morally blackmail Megan into a position to decide right now on the spot whether you are going to stand with evil Candace who was accusing Erica Kirk of murdering her own husband.
		And that lie backfired gloriously.
		By the way, I think if it had been any other person, like if it was not Megan Kelly who was sitting across from Ben, his strategy would have worked.
		That was high pressure, peer pressure.
		She happens to be extraordinarily media trained and she didn't, she didn't buck, okay?
		She looked uncomfortable, but she did not bend to his will.
		She kind of just moved along and said some stuff about Tucker, asked again, like, are you sure she said that?
		And he says, yes.
	Yes, she said that.
	And then she found out, obviously, that I did not say that.
	And the following night of her tour, during a QA section, somebody named Josh stepped up and asked her about that moment.
	And here is what Megan Kelly said.
unidentified		Hi, Megan.
		Hi.
		My name is Joshua.
		My question is: during a recent stop, you had Ben Shapiro as a guest, and he had made some claims about Candace, saying that she had said certain things online.
		And when he made those claims, you looked visibly uncomfortable because, you know, you hadn't heard that and couldn't verify that.
		So my question is: why did you look so uncomfortable in that moment?
		And have you researched the claims that he made since?
megyn kelly ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for that.
		Yeah, no, he said that Candace has been claiming Erica Kirk was behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not heard.
		And I was taken aback because that seems like something I would have heard.
		It's so crazy.
		And I have since learned it is not true.
		Candace has not made that claim.
		And in fact, I've now seen several clips of Candace specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would never make a claim like that about Erica and that she, you know, she is open-minded to other people at turning point.
		That's obvious.
		She's been making that point.
		I had heard that point.
		But that, but she has, but she's specifically been defending Erica Kirk and she's been saying she does not think that of Erica.
		And in fact, if you read her comments, she's under pressure to make comments about Erica.
		And so far, what I've seen, she hasn't.
unidentified		So thank you for that question.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And I'll tell you right now, Megan was not done.
		And I will say this: even if I've removed myself from a situation, it is actually the most disrespectful thing that you can do to someone that you purport to be friends with or friendly with.
		I can't even imagine that.
		Like, hey, will you join me on stage?
		I really like you and I'm on tour and I'd love to have you on stage for a discussion.
		And then this person starts coming after me and questioning my moral compass.
		Really process that.
		That's just not, that's just not cool beyond anything else.
		So I was pretty dumbfounded when Dave Rubin weighed in on the matter and he called what Ben did, effectively trying to humiliate Megan on her own stage.
		He referred to it as almost an act of bravery.
		Take a listen to what Dave Rubin says.
unidentified		All right.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		First off, again, like, I know I'm, I guess I'm glazing Ben right now, but he deserves it.
		It is not easy to go onto someone else's show in general when it's not a live audience and criticize them.
		But it's really not easy to do it when you're in front of thousands of people.
		I don't know how many people are at those shows, but it's certainly thousands.
		You can add it to me.
		When thousands of people are there to watch Megan, and then you have to criticize her a little bit.
		And he did it absolutely respectfully.
		And I think he did it properly.
		Listen, I don't care.
		Look, I don't, you can tell.
		I don't really want to talk about Tucker.
		I certainly don't want to talk about this Nick guy, but sometimes these things just hit you in the desk.
		And I agree with Ben.
		Like, I have a job to do.
		And if I don't address the things sometimes that I don't want to, then I'm probably not very good at my job.
		And you should watch another show.
		I don't really want to talk about Candace.
		We were great friends for a long time.
		She has been to this house for dinner.
unidentified		She loves Chicken Farm.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can fact check true.
		I have been to a social dinner and I do really love Chicken Farm.
		And I had a good one at his house.
		I will say that.
		I'm not going to front.
		But the other part that he is saying here, I don't know what happens when you're a Zionist where you just on this one topic.
		And this was what it was with Dave Rubin and why I had to stop being friends with him or friendly with him is like they just don't know what it actually means to be a good friend.
		You do not, when you are invited to join somebody on stage, prepare a lie, right?
		Present them with a lie and try to peer pressure them in front of their own fans.
		That's like there are a million things that can happen before that ever comes to it.
		She did not invite him to have a debate.
		She invited him to come on her tour and to introduce, you know, to have him in front of her audience and to have a conversation about their values.
		It's just not the right place, not the right time.
		And it really just shows that you're not a good person because you know she probably went backstage, okay, and said hello to him and was all friendly.
		If you want to take her to the side and say, hey, I wanted to have a face-to-face conversation with you.
		That's how like regular people would handle something like that, not try to humiliate you on your own stage.
		That's just going to make Megan upset.
		And Megan does eventually do what I do when I get mad.
		I double down on the truth, right?
		That is what I sentence people to, more truth.
		And it's fantastic to just be able to share more truth.
		And you don't have to be vengeful.
		You can just share more truth.
		And it's deeply upsetting to them.
		And that's what she does.
		She was literally trending all weekend.
		This video that she shared was incredibly interesting because you will recall that after Charlie died, there was basically just me, Tucker, and Megan that were trying to say, hey, something like was going on and he was feeling a lot of peer pressure in the weeks leading up to his death.
		And Zionists were claiming that's all a lie.
		And Tucker was like, no, Charlie asked me explicitly in July to go on stage and to go after Israel, trying to drag us into the Iran war.
		And to, I was talking to him about Jeffrey Epstein.
		And I was saying to Charlie, I won't do it.
		And Charlie wanted me to do it.
		Right.
		And the Zionists said that he was lying.
		I'm going to refresh your memory here and let you listen to what Tucker claimed that they then said was a lie.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Before that speech that I gave in July, we had a conversation about this backstage, right before I went on.
		And I was fulminating and getting all red in the face, like I often do to my shame.
		And I was mad thinking about this and thinking about the effort by the neocons in the United States to draw us in to another forever war with Iran.
		Not a defense of Iran, of course.
		It's merely an acknowledgement that we've done this before.
		This happened in Iraq, which we entered into at the behest of those same foreign policy strategists and it didn't work.
		And so I was going on at some length backstage with Charlie and I said, you know, probably not going to talk about that.
		I'm not going to torture you.
		I know your donors hate this when I say that.
		And also, Epstein was in the news, and it was clear to me that, you know, Epstein's probably not like a massage agent or something, but Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence.
		But the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence.
		But it seemed true to me.
		And I had done some work on that.
		I knew a bunch of people pretty close to that story.
		So I thought that.
		And I said that to Charlie.
		And I said, but I'm not going to say that because I don't want to make your donors mad.
		I know.
		It's just going to be like an endless flurry of text telling you to stop or you're going to lose a bunch of funding.
		And he looked at me, I'll never forget it, and said, go all the way, do it, go all the way.
		I said, man, you know, a lot of things I can talk about.
		I don't need to talk about that.
		And he said, do it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like I said, they tried to bury Charlie in a Yamaka.
		And we were telling you, no, he had a change of heart towards the end.
		And I was telling you that Turning Point had captured that.
		They were all mic's.
		Okay.
		So Turning Point captured that.
		And they could have easily released it to give me a little bit of backup.
		But of course, that wasn't going to come from them.
		Well, just my luck and Tucker's luck that Megan Kelly actually caught very quickly.
		Maybe it looks like maybe her assistant's backstage.
		I don't know the backstory here, but she was in that discussion, which I had not heard before.
		And she reveals very quickly, you were going to hear Charlie say that Tucker should go for it.
		So this is what Megan Kelly released on her show yesterday.
		And you should go watch the full episode.
		Take a listen.
megyn kelly ▲ ● ▼		I found a video of me, Tucker, and Charlie speaking backstage right before Tucker went out.
		Tucker and I were talking.
		Charlie came over and interrupted for just a second.
		And you can hear him on this tape, which I've listened to many times.
		It's very clear on my phone, less clear here, probably as we play it.
		But he says to Tucker, Go Max.
		He interrupts the conversation because he has to say to Tucker something.
		And what was so important to him to tell Tucker was, go, go, Max.
		Here it is.
		It's quick.
		It just happens to be on tape.
		And it backs up what Tucker said.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, Charlie, we're going Max now.
		Okay.
		Because Tucker told the truth.
		He had a conversation with Charlie about everything, and Charlie wanted him to go hard.
		Now Megan's adding to it.
		He even interrupted right before he hit the stage and said, Go, Max, go Max, because Tucker, I mean, because Charlie was done with these donors.
		He was done with them.
		He really was.
		And I can tell you another story about which donor was waiting for him once Tucker got offstage and yelled at Charlie.
		That was a female Jewish donor.
		And I will be outing her later because I don't care about anything right now.
		Anyways, point being is we were telling the truth.
		And we have been facing so much peer pressure, so much nastiness for just trying to get out the true narrative about where Charlie's headspace was at before he died.
		And my favorite part of all of this now is watching them lose.
		The people who tried with all of the money in the world to artificially direct the markets toward them after Charlie died are losing.
		Okay.
		The people who sold t-shirts, who got on stage and said they were Charlie's favorite pastor, America's pastor, I'm going to take over for Charlie.
		People who use their connections, their wealth to get themselves almost invited to be a part of Charlie Kirk's legacy.
		People that didn't even support Charlie Kirk while he was alive.
		The people who rushed to lie about me and Charlie's relationship, as close as we were.
		You guys are losing.
		I want you to know that because the market turns out the market is smarter than you are.
		I go back to that Taylor Lorenz tweet early on.
		She's a hardcore lefty, yet in the immediate aftermath of Charlie's death, she said, It's wild that Candace is the only right-wing ring figure that I've seen posting in a way where she seems genuinely devastated to have lost Charlie as a friend.
		Why did she tweet that?
		Well, I have an answer for that now, Taylor, now that I'm seeing straight, because it's becoming very clear to me that Charlie was a product to everybody else.
		He was not a human being, he was a product that they felt that they had manufactured.
		That is my honest opinion, and I am entitled to that opinion.
		Okay.
		And not only did they think that they had manufactured him, they felt that he was now malfunctioning.
		He was malfunctioning.
		And we're not going to let this go.
		We are not going to stop speaking about this topic because I sense that we are getting very close because they are very angry.
		And we should recap very quickly the verifiable lies that we have thus far been told by Turning Point USA themselves, which apparently they're trying to say it's off limits.
		So now you can't call out all these lies that Turning Point USA has told you.
		This is what they're trying to struggle session us into because Erica Kirk is now the CEO.
		So they're off limits.
		So they're allowed to lie.
		No, that's ridiculous.
		We will not be following that.
		Here's our list.
		And this is by no means definitive.
		Okay.
		Just getting this together briefly.
		They told us these lies.
		The amazing, heroic, magnificent Mikey McCoy had blood all over him.
		That's a lie told by Pastor Rob McCoy.
		Charlie was a committed evangelical who only liked Catholic architecture.
		That's a lie told and reinforced by Alex Clark and Andrew Colvet.
		Lie number three is that Charlie's neck stopped a 30-odd six bullet because Charlie ate salad, he had strong bones, it was a modern-day Christian miracle.
		That's a lie.
		The offender was Andrew Colvett.
		Another lie: Charlie never blinked in his support for Israel.
		Offender, Josh Hammer, Bibi Netanyahu, insert Zionist here, many Zionist, Christian Zionist influencers as well.
		That turned out to be a big lie, an unnecessary lie.
		Lie number five: the magnificent Mikey McCoy called his dad first.
		That's a lie.
		Rob McCoy told that lie.
		Number six is Terrell, the AV guy, was told to remove the cameras by police.
		That's not true.
		I have every second of his moves.
		That offender would be Tyler Boyer.
		Okay.
		He lied.
	Number seven, Terrell moved the SD cards because people were stealing hats.
	Question mark, Andrew Colvet.
	What if you were scared about people stealing, maybe remove the cameras?
	Very expensive cameras would be the thing that they would steal.
	What are they going to do with your SD card?
	They're going to resell that.
	Like, that doesn't make sense.
	Those are pretty cheap, right?
	Lie number eight: Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk never had any bad blood between them.
	The offender there was Alex Clark.
	Ben Shapiro was on her show, and I don't know why she tried that little bit of propaganda when she knew that wasn't factually true.
	Nine, Charlie established Doge, and that wasn't unusual.
	Turning point financially audits the company every year since its inception.
	Lie.
	Doge was entirely different from the apparatus of financially auditing yourself, which is recommended and actually in some states required for a company that size.
	That's 501c3.
	And 10, like I said, this is by no means a definitive list.
	Mikey McCoy was a hero that day.
	Now, you could say that's subjective, but I feel like that, like objectively, to be a hero, you can't just make quick phone calls.
	I don't know.
	I not include 911 in that list.
	So I'm going to put that on our list of lies.
	Now we're going to learn some more things that are interesting and compelling.
	Now remember, there was that mass panic about me telling the truth about how long it takes for campus events to come together, the schedule, how long, how early they will start promoting for people to buy tickets.
	I was on tour every single semester, okay, up until June of 2024, okay?
	And they were mass panicking about this.
	They were all coming out of the gates, Allie Sucky, debunking.
	I was like totally bizarre as if I didn't work for Turning Point and go on these tours with Charlie.
	And when people start panicking in that way, they're just alarms.
	Okay.
	You have to think of these people as alarms and you should understand that you're getting close to something.
	And what I've learned has been pretty incredible.
	So going back to our timeline, I will remind you it was July 18th, according to the local Utah News.
	They found this out.
	It was July 18th that UVU Turning Point chapter requested to have Charlie speak.
	That is very late in the day for a request.
	They're usually backed up entire semesters.
	Well, guess how quickly Turning Point headquarters not only approved it, but then sent people to campus to begin scouting a location almost immediately in early August.
	Within two weeks, they had boots on the ground and they were scouting for a location and it gets worse.
	Okay.
	I learned that after UVU showed them multiple options inside and outside, UVU recommended to Turning Point that they not hold the event in the amphitheater because of safety reasons.
	Not a good idea because we can't shut this area down.
	It's not a good idea because there's no control here.
	We cannot control the traffic, the flow of traffic coming in and out of this amphitheater.
	But Turning Point insisted that that was where they wanted to have the event.
	It was because Turning Point insisted that that event was then held outside.
	Now, I can tell you, having done these events, that was the first thing among many that struck me as odd is anybody can just walk into, that's the whole point of safety is you want to make sure that these students, you're checking tickets, you have security looking at them up and down.
	Do they look weird?
	Who are we supposed to keep eyes on?
	This guy's weird.
	Let's watch this guy because he's mumbling to himself.
	The whole point of that, the reason why you feel safe going to a Turning Point event is because not everybody can just walk up and sit down when they want to.
	Okay.
	You want to look people in the eye.
	Suddenly, that didn't matter to them.
	Turning point insisted on having the event outside despite UVU saying they did not, they communicate to them.
	They did not think the outside was the best idea because of safety reasons.
	So my question now is which specific Turning Point employees went down and picked that venue outside?
	I want to know.
	In fact, I need to know and I will know, right?
	We're just, if you know, send me a tip, but we're going to find out.
	Okay.
	What's the events department looking like that does that?
	I know, by the way, that Mikey McCoy's wife is one of the events directors.
	Now, I'm not saying that she does campus events because there's different departments.
	She might do the bigger events.
	But was she at all involved in planning this event?
	I want to know.
	She may not have been.
	I need to know and I will know.
	And if you would like us to find out quicker because you have that information, please send us an email to more tips at candaceowens.com.
	Who were the Turning Point employees that were the boots on the ground that scouted that event and that location and insisted on the outside?
	The reason they gave them that they insisted on it was because they liked the place outside where Charlie could pull up, where the vehicles would be able to pull up.
	Makes no sense.
	I have gone through an unbelievable amount of kitchens.
	Doesn't matter where you pull on to the event to speak at a college campus.
	You're always walking through a kitchen somewhere on campus.
	So the idea that they liked where they could park their cars, it's not, it's not tracking for me.
	Okay, it's just not tracking for me.
	Something else that I want to say, uh, because somebody may have more information that will make it easier for me is that we randomly received a tip from somebody who knew Pastor Rob McCoy from Thousand Oaks, California.
	And they were speaking about just kind of the area and how tight-knit it is and the church.
	And they said, One of the things that's really weird, some of us have been speaking, and we had never heard of a Mikey McCoy, like his son, Mikey McCoy.
	So I followed that tip pretty lightly.
	This is by no means like a deep search, but somebody on the inside of Turning Point told me that Mikey or Michael rather is not his first name.
	It's a middle name, right?
	And I just want to know what his real name is because I am not letting go of this like Mikey investigation.
	Something just feels off to me.
	Rob and Mikey, something ain't right.
	It's not tracking.
	So if you have that information, please email moretips at CandaceOwens.com.
	Now, to my Turning Point USA people, I would like to give a special shout out to Dylan Erickson and Austin Erickson, the bros that work at TPUSA.
	I want you both to know that I am onto you.
	I have known every word that you have said about me.
	Okay.
	And I have been investigating you guys for two months straight.
	Just so you know, like every word you're saying, I'm tracking.
	Okay.
	Just wanted to do a live shout out to you guys because you're a major piece of this.
	This puzzle that I'm trying to put together.
	I'm aware of why ReFi, the major sponsor behind Charlie and Dylan, your involvement, Austin, your involvement with bringing that sponsor on.
	Things got a little different once they were brought on.
	Demands got interesting.
	You are on my radar.
	You've been on my radar since you were involved in creating the lie, the alibi lie for the Hamptons retreat with Seth Dylan.
	You lied.
	Okay, Seth Dylan did press Charlie.
	Charlie himself described the Hamptons event as an intervention.
	And you felt the need to insert yourself into lie.
	And there has to be a reason why, right?
	We don't have to lie when we don't fear the truth.
	So I just wanted you guys to know that I'm on to you.
	And I don't know, because I felt like maybe you were just like, oh, she hasn't mentioned us.
	And like, I got a whole file.
	We're going to get there.
	We're going to get to everybody.
	We're going to get to everybody.
	Anyway, to the Turning Point employees, also, I want you to be aware and very careful because I know a lot of you guys are leaking to different people.
	Be careful leaking emails.
	Okay.
	You can leak the content of the emails, but do not leak the actual emails themselves because we've had some tech people alert us that they were running something through softwares and it looks like Turning Point has implemented a software to track your email verbiage.
	Essentially, they can make it so like everybody's email one word is different.
	So if that email ever hits the public, the actual picture of the email, they will know exactly which employee it came from.
	So leak the information.
	Do not leak the actual email.
	Or if you do leak the email, tell the people not to share the email.
	Okay.
	I wish they put the same energy behind finding out who killed Charlie Kirk.
	Am I crazy?
	I'm crazy.
	I was like, they don't want people speaking about what's happening at the company that's supposed to be a charity interested in free speech and faith.
	And they're worried about what, what information getting out exactly.
	What are you guys so concerned about?
	I don't know.
	It's not, it's not making sense to me.
	It is kind of making sense to me, if I'm being honest, but we will just keep trucking along.
	Also, as we continue to paint this picture of the corruption of faith, right?
	TPUSA faith has got my attention.
	I learned that there was another pastor who's close with Charlie.
	We've received some emails about him who had a family member who was present that day.
	And don't go away because it's about to get interesting.
	We'll be right back.
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	To get real specific, by the way, since we're going max, if you went to high school with Mikey McCoy, Dylan Erickson, or Austin Erickson, I would like to hear from you because I'm having some trouble tracking these people.
	It's like they just materialize and I have just some interesting leads.
	So if you went to high school with these individuals, I'd like to hear from you because these people didn't, to my knowledge, Mikey did not go to college and yet he's a chief of staff.
	He's 23.
	He's super young.
	There's some stuff I need to be able to track and I'm having difficulty tracking that.
	So thank you.
	More tips at candaceowens.com.
	Beyond that, I would like to follow up with you guys on something that we left open-ended.
	I'm also going to put together a list of things that are open-ended.
	It may appear open-ended, but I'm tracking down everything on the side.
	I am very organized in the background here.
	And it was regarding why Charlie had a medical file at Utah Valley Hospital, despite the fact that he went to Timpanagos, right?
	I think you guys have emailed me and said that I'm pronouncing that wrong.
	I'm just going to rock with Timpanagos.
	Now, we had wondered if perhaps the two hospitals shared information, because that's a plausibility if you're using the same tech or maybe you're within the same healthcare system.
	We can now confirm that those two hospitals do not.
	They do not share information.
	Timpanagos Hospital is owned by HCA, which uses a charting system called VDI.
	Utah Valley Hospital is owned by IHC, and they run on a system called Epic, which many of you guys emailed me about.
	You're like, I recognize the system.
	It's Epic.
	They had recently implemented Epic.
	They are not interlinked.
	These two hospitals do not speak to each other.
	If a patient has never been to Timpanogo's hospital, but they have been to Utah Valley, their info would not come up at all in Timonagos' system.
	So we don't know why that is.
	We don't know why this anomaly occurred where Charlie Kirk had a file.
	And when nurses were notified not to touch the file, we can't make sense of that.
	It's very strange.
	We're going to move on from that.
	I just wanted to follow up and tell you that.
	If you know something, obviously email us.
	We're going to move on to something else that I find interesting because we all know Bush did 9-11, but did Bush do 9-10?
	It's a joke.
	It's a joke.
	But we received this interesting tip early on.
	We didn't really know what to do with it.
	Some students on the ground described witnessing an old man talking to a Bush, right?
	They said there was this old man and he was talking to a Bush.
	Weird.
	We thought, okay, that's weird.
	It's weird, first and foremost, that there were so many old people in attendance at this event.
	Full stop, older people were all the ones who happened to be speaking to the news.
	I was like, are there any young college kids available at UVU that attended this event that could have spoken to the news?
	Apparently not.
	But like I said, not much we can do with that information.
	So we just kind of stored it in the back.
	And then our source was able to track down a video of the alleged old man that they were saying during like setup before Charlie had got, had arrived, was talking to a bush.
	Now, I'm going to show you the video they sent.
	We absolutely cannot definitively confirm from this video that he is speaking to a bush, but we can at the very least confirm that he's near the bush and he's alone.
	Okay.
	And here is that video.
	And I'm going to tell you why that tip suddenly became interesting to me.
unidentified		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We're going to show it to you quickly and then we're going to slow it down and circle down.
		There he is.
		There's the bush we're referring to.
		There we go.
		Okay.
		So that's the video that we received.
		And it is interesting because it turned out that that old man is the brother of Pastor Jack Hibbs.
		We've been speaking about these pastors, man.
		These pastors.
		Pastor Hibbs, great friend of Charlie Kirk, also another leader of a Calvary chapel, just like our boy McCoy, Pastor McCoy, Calvary Chapel churches in California.
		Well, yeah, Pastor Jack Hibbs leads one.
		Butch Hibbs is also his brother who's involved in a Calvary Chapel church in Utah.
		And later, what's interesting is he's behind Charlie when he gets out of the car.
		Like Charlie comes out of his car, arrives for the event.
		He's with the amazing Mikey McCoy.
		And you can see that that quote-unquote crazy old man, as described by us, is actually here with Charlie.
		And Frank Turek confirms that that pastor, that Butch Hibbs is Pastor Jack Hibbs' brother.
		Take a listen.
unidentified		So we get there, we pray, we get out of the car.
		There's a whole bunch of TPUSA leaders there that want to pose for pictures.
		Charlie graciously poses for pictures.
		He posed for a picture with me, and we'll show this picture here.
		This is me, Charlie, and in the middle is Butch Hibbs.
		That's the brother of Jack Hibbs, Pastor Jack Hibbs.
		And he came to the event, wanted to meet us both.
		So we took a picture.
		This picture was taken maybe 20 minutes before the assassin struck.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now, what's compelling is really that just like every other one of these new age turning point pastors, Hibbs are from a military family, okay?
		Butch Sr. was in the Navy.
		What he did in the Navy is unclear, but I'm interested.
		I'm just really interested.
		Also, something that I'm just going to say on the side here is too many people that are involved in this Utah story, I met through Prager University.
		Like Jack Hibbs was somebody that Marissa flagged for me that she wanted me to have on my show.
		Like she'd say, like certain guests, the guy who runs Operation Underground who or did run Operation Underground before he got into a scandal also was introduced to me by Marisha Street.
		It's just, there's a lot that in the back of my mind, I'm going, this is interesting.
		A lot of these characters that are just kind of that Tim Ballard is the one that used to run Operation Underground, which is a charity for sex trafficking.
		And he's been featured a lot in this story, characters that knew him, person on the plane.
		There's just a lot's happening here is all I want to say.
		And I find it to be odd.
		Okay.
		There's a picture emerging here.
		I am wondering about these new age pastors.
		Like, is that what everybody does when they leave the military?
		They start a church.
		Or are we looking at an operation?
		That's the question that I have.
		And yeah, I would, I would, if you are a part of Calvary Chapel anywhere, I would just wonder if your pastor just came from the military.
		And if you're, or if he's from a high-ranking military family, did the military execute an operation, a psychological operation on the American people to get us to support Christian Zionism after World War II?
		Kind of the question that I think is hanging in the air right now.
		After perhaps also the assassination of JFK.
		Like when you talked about the military industrial complex, like how, how industrial did this control, how did this complex get?
		Is it an industry of churches?
		That's what I'm, that's what I'm thinking.
		That's what it's looking like to me.
		And tomorrow we're going to get into the characters involved in TPUSA faith and this random strand of sex scandal, sex and trafficking and weapons scandal that keeps happening.
		Okay.
		We're not going to not look into turning point faith because, oh, you're not allowed.
		It's untouchable all of a sudden because Erica's at the helm of it.
		No, if there's corruption anywhere, you have a right to attack it, especially if it comes in the name of the Lord.
		I will say that.
		Switching gears here, but sticking on the topic of liars and losers, Kash Patel, he has to step down.
		There's no other option here.
		In case you missed it, Kash Patel, the director of the FBI who represents America on the world stage, right?
		We are already not being taken very seriously, but Kash Patel is catalyzing that dissent.
		Okay.
		He is catalyzing that dissent into absolute mockery.
		He tweeted, I told you about that a couple of weeks ago.
		Leave my girlfriend alone.
		And then we see you guys.
		And like, she's my life partner.
		Like, you left your wife.
		You've been with this girl for like a year and a half.
		Calm down.
		Okay.
		Just calm down.
		Like a teenager in love.
		It's ridiculous.
		Well, now his girlfriend turns out is suing Eliza Schaefer and other content creators for $5 million for $5 million for her hurt feelings.
		Okay.
		Because she was called a honeypot, an Israeli honeypot.
		And in some circumstances, I want to be very clear, they didn't even explicitly call her a honeypot.
		They just posted a picture.
		That was a circumstance in terms of Elijah Schaefer.
		I should actually read some parts of this lawsuit so that you understand that we are not a serious nation anymore, right?
		We are not a serious nation.
		And it's important that you come to that conclusion quite quickly.
		Okay.
		Where are we?
		So this is directly from a lawsuit.
		Says that on September 14th, 2025, an ex-user that goes by Hen Mazig published a lengthy and detailed post about the prominent role a female Mossad agents have played in Israel's sophisticated intelligence efforts against Iran, including by seducing top officials, and that some of them reportedly seduced high-ranking enemy officials.
		Now, in response to the comment on that same day, Elijah Schaefer posted a photo of Alexis Wilkins.
	That is her name, and Patel, right?
	So, this is the action, this is what they're suing over right here on the internet.
	LOL Elijah Schaefer posts a photo, and the lawsuit goes on and says, ever since Kash Patel was appointed as director of the FBI in February of 2025, the conspiratorial corners of the internet and social media have been spreading a false narrative that Ms. Wilkins is an Israeli Mossad agent, a spy, or a quote-unquote honeypot.
	So here's the thing: I've been around.
	I've been around.
	And there are some rules to lawsuits.
	If you have to sue someone to prove, as an example, that you are a woman, a la Brigitte Macron, it's because you're not one.
	If you have to sue someone to prove that your relationship is really authentic and real and like love from the heavens, it probably isn't what.
	I'm just saying I've been around.
	That's all I'm saying.
	And I have been the subject of so many conspiracies because of how me and my husband met, right?
	People online, people have done threads, put in names that were not even true.
	I read one thread where they said like a donor put me and my husband, it couldn't be further from the truth.
	I've never cared.
	I just laugh at them because it's just not true.
	It's just none of it's true.
	So I don't care.
	The fact that she filed this lawsuit, of course, means that she did this with the blessing of her quote unquote life partner, Kash Patel.
	He knew this was happening.
	He did not stop her from doing this.
	Are they trying to convince us or is she trying to convince him or is he trying to convince himself?
	Okay.
	And of course, inevitably, what happens when you file these lawsuits is people then get interested in you.
	And there is something called the Streisan effect.
	Now, before the Streisan effect happened, I was already interested because he's acting weird.
	He's just acting really weird right now, Kash Patel.
	And she might not be a Mossad honeypot.
	I don't know.
	I've never made that claim.
	There's literally no evidence of that.
	People, other than people saying she works for Marissa Strait, Prager U, who, you know, she's formerly of the IDF intelligence unit.
	I worked for Prager U. I'm not a Mossad honeypot person, so that's not evidence.
	But there is evidence that she comes from a Freemason family in California.
	Like dad was in the Free May, California Freemasons, and Grandpa was pretty high up in the California Freemasons.
	And, you know, Kash Patel's dropping 33 hours, like it means something.
	That's actually more interesting than the Mossad honeypot thing.
	Mom works in aerospace.
	So we're not like, she's not just like some cutesy country singer that has no connections.
	Like, let's make that clear.
	She's not, she doesn't have no connections, letting you guys know that.
	And I am so sick of the idea that you're going to file and bankrupt people because you don't like what's on the internet.
	That's why this needs to be exposed.
	He should be flamed.
	The punishment for these sorts of things is these people should be shamed.
	They should be absolutely shamed out of public life forever.
	If your solution to somebody saying something on the internet is I'm going to bankrupt you, especially something, who cares?
	You're a country singer.
	Even if you were a Mossad honeypot, why do you care?
	Who cares?
	Like, if you do not know how to deal with the internet, get off of it.
	Just get off of it.
	It is optional.
	You are not required to be on X to make videos for Prague or U. You are not required to be on X to sing the national anthem for Turning Point USA.
	Get off of the internet if you do not have it within you, the courage to withstand Elijah Schaefer making a joke, okay?
	All of these people have said things about me.
	I have been mocked for everything from the color of my skin to who I work for to, you name it.
	There's a joke out there that's said about me, okay?
	Or not even a joke, people just being insulting.
	I wake up, I'm called the N-word.
	Big deal.
	The internet is optional, Alexis Wilkins.
	It's optional, Kash Patel.
	This lawsuit is pathetic.
	You should be forced to step aside, but you know, it's probably not going to happen because a lot of things that are going on in this administration have been embarrassing.
	And yeah, we're hunting down kids on college campuses that offend Jewish people.
	So like, I guess we're going to, we're stuck with Kash Patel.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Anyways, let's take a quick break before I get to some of your comments.
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	Okay, reading the top comment from our last episode, Nick Junes wrote, as a registered Democrat, I think who killed Charlie Kirk is one of the most important questions of our time.
	I want to know who killed Charlie Kirk and what's in the Epstein files.
	I think the same people are behind all of the greatest problems in the last 100 years.
	It's the source of all the corruption, wars, and even much of the division in our own country.
	Candace is absolutely doing the Lord's work and I'm not even very religious.
	I could not agree more with you.
	It's actually the most important thing.
	That's why I said I'm not even voting until I saw this because it is the undoing of everything.
	It's like we've just all, there's just been veils and we just had not realized that we're now piercing through and we're realizing that these monsters rule over us.
	Also, I see somebody in the live chat on YouTube wrote, it looks like Mikey McCoy went to Oaks Christian in Thousand Oaks.
	That is correct.
	And the part that you're missing is that Rob McCoy ran that school.
	He ran Little Oaks.
	It's like a boarding school, Little Oaks.
	I found that out.
	I guess Rob McCoy, he's actually even more amazing.
	He's had so many hats.
	Calvary Chapel outright purchased, for whatever reason, outright purchased the Christian Academy in 2009, I believe it was.
	I saw an article about it because the teachers were suing Rob because he fired them.
	And then Rob was suing them, saying, Well, I fired you because you weren't Christian enough and you didn't come to church on Sundays.
	It was this whole thing.
	And he filed in federal court and the lawsuit didn't go through.
	I mean, he didn't win the lawsuit.
	I don't know who won the lawsuit.
	I didn't really get that far into it.
	But yeah, I'm interested in his interest in this Christian school.
	Anyway, and like I said, I want to know who went to school with Mikey and the Erickson brothers.
	Other comments, we have Angie.
	We need Go Max merch.
	Team Candace for Life.
	Honestly, that's actually a great idea because we aren't going Max now.
	We are going Max.
	I love that.
	I love that he said Go Max.
	It's such a Charlie thing to say.
	Brittany Watson writes: The Charlie Kirk betrayal and assassination is shaping up to be the scandal of our lifetime.
	And you are leading the charge of investigating and question asking.
	The world will owe you a debt of gratitude soon and very soon.
	Thanks for all.
	I totally agree that this is a scandal of our lifetime.
	And they're just trying to gaslight us to pretend like their behavior is normal, using every emotionally manipulative tactic to make us not look further.
	Like, oh, what about these people?
	They're hurting.
	They're grieving.
	Keep the same effing energy you had when you were like, let's move on, let's raise money.
	Like, stop acting like you were so aggrieved.
	Like, if you can just move on and say, like, I'm going to be the new person, I'm going to do speeches.
	I, you know, I'm going to carry on.
	And I'm speaking obviously here about Rob McCoy and Mikey McCoy.
	You don't get to flip and go, oh, these people, these people are too aggrieved.
	Doesn't work for me.
	Okay.
	It doesn't work for me.
	I feel like Taylor Lorenz.
	Like, once I came back from Wyoming, I then started paying attention to everyone's behavior.
	And I was like, why would I feel like I was the only one grieving?
	Like, what's up with the Turning Point employees?
	Hey.
	And by the way, obviously, when I say like everyone at Turning Point, I clearly do not mean every single person at Turning Point because all of these leaks are coming from people that are at Turning Point.
	So there are amazing people who loved Charlie, who hate the corruption that's happening right now, who sense that everything is being pushed under the rug, who have intimately let me know the things that the Erickson brothers are doing and saying and texting.
	And I just have a file of all of it because of people at Turning Point USA.
	And they don't care.
	They want nothing but the truth.
	And they know they're not getting it, which is problematic.
	Brittany Watson, I'm sorry, Kamaya writes, Candace is homeschooling the internet and homeschooling my children in the morning, which has been an absolute blast.
	Such a great blessing to add that to my day.
	It puts me in a good mood every day.
	And Charlie always said, Be a happy warrior.
	So I am a happy warrior.
	The original polywog writes, was that like Binya Binya Polywog?
	Look here, please.
	What does your opening song say?
	That is from a Kanye song.
	I hope he's bright and brave and strong.
	It's, I guess, hitting differently.
	Yeah, it's a Kanye song and it's a sample from it's called Stars.
	The beginning of it is called Stars.
	Lots of comments saying DEF CON 3, not death.
	That was a Kanye joke.
	Remember, notoriously, Kanye tweeted this and everyone freaked out because he wrote death.
	He meant DEFCON 3 because it's a defensive position.
	I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going DEF CON 3 on some Jewish people.
	The funny thing is, I actually can't be anti-Semitic because black people are actually Jew also.
	You guys have toyed with me and tried to blackball anyone who ever opposes your agenda.
	That tweet is hitting differently today, man.
	Pull it back up.
	That tweet is hitting differently today.
	I got blackballed because I opposed the Israeli agenda.
	I think he was talking about some Zionists in Hollywood.
	And he did mean to say DEF CON 3, but they pretended like he was going to literally go around Hollywood and start murdering Jewish people.
	And what he was saying was he was tired of people that were trying to compel him to say and do certain things who happened to be Jewish.
	And so we were being funny.
	We know that it's DEF CON 3.
	We were just doing a throwback to Kanye.
	I should have probably put a Kanye photo in there.
	Next comment is from Slow Akla writes, thank you, Candace, so much.
	We are praying for you.
	Thank you so much for that contribution.
	SGT Sox write, Christ is king.
	I am so proud of you, Candace and Ian.
	God bless.
	And let Tucker know I'm caring on camel regulars, non-filtered.
	What's that?
	A cigarettes, camel regulars.
	Yeah, I've never smoked cigarettes and stuff like that.
	So I don't know anything about that.
	I'm ignorant.
	I'm sorry, you guys.
	Tobacco, something.
	Okay, it's an inside joke.
	I'm not in on it.
	Don't be dumb rights.
	Israel isn't even our ally.
	No treaty to help if attacked.
	Didn't spot one IDF soldier during my time in Iraq or Afghanistan.
	Yeah, they don't have enough bodies.
	They need us.
	So they play psychological games with us so that we convince our sons to go die for them.
	They get land.
	They get free insurance.
	They get free health care.
	They get all of these welfare benefits.
	And we get a country that is just in full deterioration.
	We get called anti-Semitic.
	If you're white, you're told it's your fault.
	It's your problem.
	If you're black, you're told basically that you should be aspiring towards Ebonics and hip-hop culture.
	And pretty much you're set up on the pipeline to prison pretty young.
	And both sides are told, black and white people are told you're not allowed to say anything bad about Israel.
	We ruin your life.
	That's the reality.
	That's our nation.
	And we war with each other, black and white people.
	And Zionists have so much power in media.
	And as we are learning, the churches, the Christian churches.
	I mean, I don't want to say how this happened.
	While also getting to always say that they are the victims.
	So I want to make that clear.
	They are the victims of everything always.
	Don't question it.
	Trust the science.
	Ashley Blair writes, Hello, Candace.
	I'm Bailey.
	And I've been a fan of your show since you were on the Daily Wire.
	Foreign Muslim immigrants are swarming into Europe, Australia, Canada, and the U.S.
	And I wanted to see if you had an opinion on Israel's involvement in that.
	Yeah, well, here's the thing.
	Israel sends us in to smash the countries that they live in.
	They create the refugee crisis and then people complain about how these people like have nowhere to go.
	I can't believe that Israel is taking over Syria.
	And now there's all these Syrian refugees.
	I can't believe Israel is just, they're expanding their borders and they're pushing these people into countries they don't want to be in.
	Do you think that the Palestinians don't want to stay in Gaza where they've been?
	Of course they do.
	But look what's happening.
	Trump needs a casino, right?
	Jared's doing deals.
	They want beachfront properties.
	They're invested in this.
	And so then they're going to tell you, because we're always the fools, right?
	Like we're arguing amongst that, you're going to need to go fight the Muslim people in your community, that they're going to establish Sharia law.
	That's the low hanging fruit.
	They're going to establish Sharia law.
	Well, maybe they could have kept the Sharia law in their own countries if we didn't kill a million of them, like just in like one simple setting like we did in the Iraq war, right?
	The Iraq war.
	We just killed like a million Iraqi civilians, by the way.
	Okay.
	Just civilians, as in like you and me, nothing to do with the war.
	We did that.
	And who did we do that for?
	Do you think it was because we were looking for weapons of mass destruction?
	That's what they always say.
	That's why they're trying right now.
	They want Iran, they want to force this change of power in Iran.
	Yeah, that's kind of the repeat thing.
	We're spreading democracy.
	For who?
	No, we are expanding Israel's borders and we are rendering everybody around Israel weak.
	That's what the picture looks like.
	Your son should not be signing up for the military until it's fixed.
	That's my personal opinion.
	Texas Toast writes, I'm curious if the government is so sloppy with all their inside jobs because they'll off or call people crazy for pointing out the obvious that they are doing.
	It is a shame.
	I love your show.
	I think that they're like Hamptons on a wheel.
	It's always worked.
	It's worked for so long.
	We all took it.
	We accepted it.
	Like I said, I count myself among it.
	I was left or right.
	I believed in the paradigm.
	I thought this person would fix things.
	I hated people on the left.
	I started on the left, like thinking more liberally.
	And then I hated people on the left.
	And I never looked up, right?
	So it's worked forever.
	And I don't think they know how to do something new.
	And so now they're going to try to pass speech laws.
	And if you actually look at the history of passing speech laws, it does seem like a general thing that Zionists like to do so that they can rewrite history.
	You want me to believe the history of what you're telling us about World War II when you can't even tell us the truth about who Charlie Kirk was like five seconds ago?
	We're supposed to believe you're telling, but totally like trust you on what you're telling us about 1948 and how Israel became a nation, but you can't even tell the truth about like what Charlie Kirk was going through five minutes ago.
	Get out of my face.
	Okay.
	Let me stop.
	I'm going into overtime here and I'm going to get in trouble.
	This is when I get in trouble whenever we're in the OT.
	I got to stop.
	Okay.
	Suffice this to say, our show, Some Good News, is now available in Spanish, Portuguese, and French.
	So we have the links to those specific channels below.
	If you would prefer to hear me speak in French and Spanish and Portuguese, AI tools now allow us to do that to reach more people.
	If you guys would like to support us and the show, you will love my new book.
	Go to makehimasandwich.com.
	Holidays are around the corner.
	You can get that.
	We are also selling signed copies.
	So you can get that.
	I can't think of anything else.
	Obviously, you can support the show by just going to canniceowens.com and buying some of our gear, our standards cup.
	This one has been a hot seller.
	And beyond that, I saw some of you guys asking about the Egyptian planes.
	Yep, we have that for you.
	We're in for a week.
	Tomorrow, we're going to talk a bit more about the planes and something that I learned about the planes, which is incredibly interesting.
	And then on Friday, we are going to be speaking about Turning Point USA financials.
	So keep it locked here.

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