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Charlie's Final Hours. What Else Is Josh Hammer Lying About? | Candace Ep 250

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unidentified		All right, you guys, happy Wednesday.
		Sorry, we're running late today.
		I'm starting homeschooling, so still getting adjusted to the new schedule.
		Where should we begin?
		Okay, well, Josh Hammer, because that's certainly getting a little more interesting, maybe a bit darker than we had anticipated.
		Because just 16 hours before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he mysteriously retweeted a 2013 tweet from Donald Trump calling for public executions.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have tried, and I don't feel that there is any way that I can confidently explain to you guys why he tweeted that, least of all in the context of him having already admitted that he and a rabbi in Israel had a long talk with Charlie the night before he died, something he was very proud of.
unidentified		Also, Dinesh D'Souza has jumped into the mix.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Welcome, Dinesh D'Souza.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He is joining every commentator who hates Candace Owens.
unidentified		That's nice that he has entered the foray.
unidentified		He's got some things to say to me.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We're going to discuss it because it's weird.
unidentified		And I'm also going to explain to you why, more formally, at least, why I decided to activate an effective kill switch.
		And I want you guys to pay attention because this is really important.
		Welcome back to Candace.
		Hoisted by his own petard.
		That's an expression, obviously, that we use a lot.
		And I have this thing where I always have to go back and research and figure out why we use common expressions because nobody actually thinks about those things anymore.
		Well, this one is pretty obvious.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It refers to when soldiers would use a fatard, essentially a bucket-shaped explosive device packed with gunpowder, effectively a bomb, to blow up the gates and wall fortifications of their enemies.
unidentified		They'd light the fuse, and sometimes they would be hoisted by their own bombs.
		And that's exactly what is happening right now to Josh Hammer for weeks after the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		Josh Hammer obsessively and shamelessly accused people of lying, people of grifting, people of attempting to destroy Charlie Kirk's legacy.
		Charlie Kirk was his friend, he claimed rather maniacally.
		Charlie never once flinched on the topic of Israel.
		He died just loving Israel.
		It was like, are you kidding me?
		That's all he cared about.
		Check out just some of these tweets, by the way.
		This is a collage.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We just don't have all day here to gather crazy Josh Hammer tweets, but you get the idea.
unidentified		There is a repulsive op right now to hijack Charlie Kirk's legacy.
unidentified		There is a repulsive op right now desecrating Charlie's memory by trying to post-humously convert him to groperism.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe there's something known as groperism.
unidentified		I was given access to this letter a few months ago and I read it at that time.
		Tucker, Candace, and other bad faith actors are lying through their teeth about Charlie and Israel.
		Candace Owens and other grifters, you get that back up for a quick second.
		Candace Owens and other grifters are trying to posthumously rewrite and hijack the legacy of the great Charlie Kirk to further their patently evil ends.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		There has been a repulsive op, op, op.
		The reality is simple.
		Charlie was a bridge.
		Like, it's weird that he keeps repeating that sentence.
unidentified		Like I said, maniacal, obsessed.
		And of course, in the comfort of his own derangement and with the full support of the press and the silence of Charlie's other quote-unquote friends, Josh was really acting the part of a true Pharisee.
		He was certain that the truth would not rise again.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He was so confident that he had killed it and that he could himself hijack the legacy of Charlie Kirk.
unidentified		Except the truth did kind of rise again.
		It kind of always does rise again.
		And the world now knows that Josh Hammer had personal, intimate knowledge that Charlie's views were changing.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He lied about the Hamptons meeting.
unidentified		I've told you the truth from day one.
unidentified		Seth Dylan and Josh were personally upset with Charlie's defiance against the state of Israel.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Seth Dylan was the more vocal of the two parties in the Hamptons, as I said, in terms of actually pressing Charlie, but both of them were upset about the way that they saw his viewpoints shifting.
		And Tucker was therefore correct at Charlie Kirk's memorial.
		It was definitely the correct analogy when he spoke about these sorts of individuals who plot and lie and think that they are going to be successful in, well, murdering the truth in the story of Jesus Christ.
unidentified		Take a listen.
		Charlie would have loved this, not just because he loved large groups of people, but because ultimately he was a Christian evangelist.
		And it actually reminds me of my favorite story ever.
		So it's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power and he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people.
		And they hate it.
		And they just go bonkers.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		They hate it.
		And they become obsessed with making him stop.
		This guy's got to stop talking.
unidentified		We've got to shut this guy up.
		And I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamplit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus thinking about what do we do about this guy telling the truth about us.
		We must make him stop talking.
		And there's always one guy with the bright idea.
		And I could just hear him say, I've got an idea.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we just kill him?
unidentified		That'll shut him up.
		That'll fix the problem it doesn't work that way It doesn't work that way.
		Everything is inverted.
		And the Beatitudes tell it, I think, the most crisply.
tucker carlson ▲ ● ▼		Everything is sort of the opposite of what you think it's going to be.
unidentified		That is a fact.
		It will always be the opposite of what we think it's going to be when you are attacking people who are telling the truth.
		And the truth is that it is now an established fact, like I said, that Josh Hammer knew that Charlie Kirk's perspectives on Israel were changing.
		And since that announcement, Twitter users pointed out a very strange tweet that Josh Hammer hit send on 16 hours before Charlie Kirk was assassinated for no apparent reason at all.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He retweeted something that President Donald Trump had sent a full 12 years ago about public executions.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Here it is.
unidentified		Here is that retweet Trump wrote on April 19th, 2013, should be public execution for all to see.
		You will end this bull fast.
		And Josh Hammer just replies and says, base, you can see.
		This is, we are in Central Time, so that's about 9.05 p.m. Eastern time.
		Now, what is the justification for this?
		There might be one.
		I tried in earnest to at first rationalize it, right?
		What could have been going on that Josh Hammer decided to dig through the 2013 Twitter archives and retweet someone calling for someone calling for a public execution?
		Well, I'll let one of the many Zionist PR agents explain it first.
		Yashar Ali, who, like I said, is quite literally paid to do PR for Zionists.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I know this personally on the right and on the left, tried to explain it away by kind of lying, I would say.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He tried to claim definitively that Josh was referring to the criminal who horrifically murdered the Ukrainian refugee, Irina Zarutska, in North Carolina.
unidentified		That was obviously a big story in the beginning of September.
		Yashar Ali wrote this.
		Last night, Candace Owens quote tweeted notorious neo-Nazi Sam Parker, who pointed out that Josh Hammer, who is Jewish and was a friend of Charlie Kirk's, elevated a Trump tweet from 2013, the day before, which called for public executions.
		Candace, of course, would like people to believe that Josh's quote tweet is suspicious in the context of the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		But Josh was just sharing what many conservatives were sharing and stating the day before, that's because they were talking about the horrific murder of Irina Zarutska.
		This is where I say that no civilized nation uses the death penalty in parentheses, referring to his own thoughts.
		Now, another user then jumped on that and tried to establish a non-fact that the footage of Irina's murder was released on that day on the 9th.
		And that's why Josh tweeted that.
		All of this is factually untrue.
		Okay.
		Irina was murdered on August 22nd.
		Her perpetrator was arrested that same day.
		And the footage was released and trended on X on September 5th.
		Josh himself sent multiple tweets regarding the homicide, as everyone did, because, like I said, it was trending.
		And when he was asked specifically about punishment, criminality, perhaps that her perpetrator should face, Josh, at no point that I could determine, whether he was on the news, whether he was on his own show or anywhere else, did he speak about the death penalty or, you know, a public execution.
		Instead, as you will see, and we will show you Josh in his own words, he spoke about the double standards surrounding the media coverage of her murder and really the topic of criminality more broadly and safety in America.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Take a listen to what Josh said.
unidentified		You know, Gabrielle, I'm a lawyer by training, and I remember my first year of law school back in 2013 when I was taking criminal law.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		This is kind of the beginning of kind of the left's kind of foray into so-called criminal justice reform.
unidentified		And even back then, there's a lot of chatter among my more liberal classmates about how, you know, incarceration and prisons and locking people up, you know, how all of it is just racist.
		It's kind of like it is an old kind of symbol of a white patriarchal colonialist imperialist society there and how the ultimate goal is basically to defund the prisons.
		And then, you know, if some people are going to commit some violent crimes, you know, essentially let the chips fall where they may.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, this is letting the chips fall where they may.
unidentified		But most American people have not lost their minds.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Most American people stand where Donald Trump stands, which is basic safety.
unidentified		And I don't disagree that we all want basic safety.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I just don't hear him.
unidentified		And like I said, I've looked forward ever even calling for the death penalty in those days that were leading up.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So I decided to do what I always do.
unidentified		Rather than say what he definitely meant or what he didn't mean, I decided to just create a micro timeline of Josh Hammer's tweets.
		And it gets pretty interesting on September 9th, the day before Charlie Kirk's assassination.
		This is what Josh Hammer tweeted.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He tweeted a total of nine times on September 9th.
unidentified		And you can gather what was going on at that day from his tweets.
		He wakes up at 7.30 A6, or rather pushes the first tweet at 7.30, 7.36 a.m.
		And he tweets about a viral Phillies crowd scandal.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This is an Eastern Standard Time, by the way.
unidentified		Right after that, he tweets a link, the one that I just showed you, to his media appearance about Arena Zarutska, where he does not call for the death penalty or anything close to the death penalty.
		9.23 a.m., he tweets against Tucker Carlson because he has to do that at least twice a day, or I don't feel like he can get on with his day.
		9.29 a.m., he tweets in favor of Israel and throws shade at Trump and Qatar.
		And all of this is related to what went on on September 9th, which is that Israel bombed Qatar for no reason, violating international law, which they tend to do a lot.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		But he, of course, was in favor of what they were doing.
unidentified		And so he throws shade at Trump and Trump's relationship with Qatar because I guess it would be okay for them to violate international law if Trump wasn't friends with Qatar or something.
		11.33 a.m., he tweets against Saudi Arabia because they came out and made a statement against what Israel had done.
		So he tweets against Saudi Arabia.
		And then at 3 o'clock p.m., he tweets against Tucker Carlson for telling the truth about Israel in 9-11.
		Again, he has to do that a couple of times a day.
		It's part of his ritual.
		5.58 p.m., he tweets about the Hebrew Bible being the basis of Western civilization alongside a speech that he had given, tweets a link out.
		Again, promoting himself, 5.59 p.m., he tweets a promotion of his media appearance regarding a Supreme Court decision.
		And then there's this three-hour break.
		He puts his phone down.
		Maybe, maybe, maybe this is the three-hour break where he speaks to Charlie Kirk.
		I don't know, but I know that he speaks to Charlie Kirk at night.
		And then at 9.09 p.m., again, we're talking Eastern.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Josh Hammer tweets in favor of public execution, and there's no context that is provided.
unidentified		So anybody telling you he for sure meant this or he for sure didn't mean this is a liar.
		We cannot know that.
		We cannot know Josh Hammer's thoughts.
		A couple of things that I want to point out.
		Josh is not saying in that tweet that he's calling for the death penalty.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		People calling for the death penalty, debating the death penalty is a very common political debate.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's a very common political talking point.
unidentified		It is absolutely not a typical or a regular political talking point or debate regarding public executions.
		We don't talk about that often.
		It's an exceedingly specific ask, right?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Usually reserved to a visceral response to something that you have seen and in the moment, right?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Matt Walsh, actually, when we were prepping the show, I said, I will guarantee you that when that footage got dropped, which was on September 5th, four days earlier, Matt Walsh would have tweeted, this person should be publicly executed.
unidentified		And by the way, he did.
		He did.
		He said, we can't keep living like this.
		The only solution is ruthless punishment, public execution for violent criminals, long prison sentences, hard labor.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This guy had multiple previous arrests.
		He should have already been serving 30 years in the labor camp.
		This is the only way, as our ancestors knew, we've tried compassion and restorative justice, and this is the result.
		It was inevitable.
unidentified		So Matt Walsh then went on his show and further explained that already contextualized tweet.
		And he explained how men have a visceral response when you see somebody being victimized, a woman being victimized in that way, that arena was.
		So we decided for good measure that we should check to see if maybe it was something regular that Josh Hammer also spoke about, which is public executions.
		And I can tell you that it is not something that Josh Hammer regularly tweets about or discusses.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The first time that he tweeted about a public execution was back in 2013.
unidentified		And he said it in reference, I'm sorry, in 2022.
		And he said it in reference to the Boston Marathon bombing terrorist account.
		I'm sorry, the Evalde shooter.
		The Evalde shooter is apparently dead, but just as with the Buffalo shooter, this level of pure evil would have been another ideal time for a public execution.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So to be clear, that makes sense, right?
unidentified		He is in the moment and he is saying, I'm having a visceral reaction to the idea of another school being shut out, being having another school shooting.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And for that reason, I am saying that this would have been an appropriate scenario for a public execution.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Emotions are running high.
unidentified		You are visceral and you're learning things.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You're seeing and you're learning those things in the moment.
unidentified		As I said, that would make sense in its context.
		I also want to remind you that Josh Hammer is a lawyer by training.
		He was at one point the editor at large of the Daily Wire, and he is currently the senior editor-at-large at Newsweeks.
		Plus, he hosts his own show.
		My point that I'm making here is he knows how to communicate.
		Okay.
		This is not some random guy on Twitter who doesn't know that if you haven't tweeted all day about something, you can't just throw out tweets about public executions without contextualize them, right?
		He certainly understands you don't just send out a standalone tweet at 9 o'clock p.m. and everyone's just going to go, what are you referring to?
		He knows the public is not going to comprehend what he means outside of him providing some further context.
		And I will also add here that it is not particularly helpful that Josh Hammer as an individual is obsessively angry.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He is an incredibly angry little man.
unidentified		You can read through his tweets.
		He has openly expressed bigoted and prejudiced opinions against white people.
		Okay.
		He does not view himself to be a white person.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He views himself to be a separate race, Jewish.
unidentified		That is a fact.
unidentified		And it wasn't a long time ago.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We don't have to go back to 2013 to hear his ideas on that.
unidentified		Here is a tweet from him in 2019 that he then erased regarding white people.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Here's what he said.
unidentified		Jew hatred is inherent in the European DNA.
		Okay.
		Just like it's inherent.
		You're just inherent.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		If you're white, you're inherently guilty.
unidentified		You're inherently an anti-Semite.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's just you're born this way.
unidentified		It's just in your DNA.
		It's incredible that he said that.
		And in response, we were told that he meant it metaphorically, which kind of metaphor.
		He run that tweet again.
		I do know a little bit about metaphors and similes, and I'm not feeling Jew hatred is inherent in European DNA.
		How's that for a metaphor, guys, for you?
		Because I thought metaphor might be fire hair to describe somebody who's redhead-headed.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it's not literally fire.
unidentified		It's fire, fire red.
		No, I don't think a metaphor would be saying explicitly and literally that hating Jews is inherent inside of white people.
		I think it's amazing that he's even allowed.
		Like, there's just no consequence.
		It's like, yeah, well, editor-at-large in Newsweek, what are you going to do?
		Eh, it's fine.
		You can hate white people.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We all know that.
		It's fine.
		Totally fine.
unidentified		Anyways, that's what he thinks about you guys.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Full stop.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And people are maybe perhaps because of that, because of how he regularly treats people and how he regularly attacks people and how vicious he is, are not feeling particularly charitable towards him, especially having been exposed as somebody who lied so audaciously and boldly and repeatedly and unnecessarily about the pressure that Charlie was under, pressure, which Josh Hammer was a part of applying in the weeks and then in the hours leading up to Charlie Kirk's death.
unidentified		Saddens me that Charlie was stressed and Charlie was worried, and that the very people that were stressing him out and making him have that sense of anxiety and worry, then you eulogized him and lied about all that.
unidentified		Why lie?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's the part that the public does not understand.
unidentified		How can we then trust a person that lies in that way?
		The natural thing is for us to then wonder: what else is Josh lying about?
		Would we trust if Josh came out and said that tweet was definitely about arena?
		Other people pulled Trump tweets.
		Some did pulled that very tweet and called for a public execution.
		Would you trust Josh if he came out and said, I know I didn't contextualize it.
		And I know all day I was tweeting about Israel, but that one was about Arena.
		Don't forget, he proudly went around and he promoted to everyone that would listen that he spoke to Charlie the night before he died, probably in that three-hour window.
		He bragged that he and Rabbi Walicki had a Zoom call with Charlie.
		Why?
		Because they said Charlie wanted them to help him with his talking points about Israel.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have to say, Charlie was one of the most skilled debaters ever, like literally ever.
unidentified		Any person that I have seen actually debating on stage, I learned my debate cues from Charlie Kirk.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So it is very new to me to think that they scheduled this call because he was in need of tips on debating from a rabbi over in Israel and Josh Hammer.
unidentified		But let's be real, I have no proof to the contrary because I wasn't on the Zoom call.
		And Josh made it clear multiple times that in his last conversation with Charlie, Charlie, above anything else, was really interested in Josh's book.
		So much so that in his literal first tweet, after news broke that Charlie had in fact died, Josh manages to bring up his book.
		I'm not kidding.
		Here's his tweet.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He wrote this: I am speechless, devastated, and heartbroken.
unidentified		We spoke less than 24 hours ago.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Charlie joked how he was going to plug my book on this very tour.
unidentified		He was a unique force, a generational leader.
unidentified		Pray for Charlie's beautiful wife and their young children.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Rest in peace, warrior.
unidentified		And as you saw yesterday, Josh never forgets to plug his book.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He never once forgot to plug his book.
unidentified		A few days after Charlie's death, he went on JTV, which is on the global Jewish channel, to discuss that call, that last call with Charlie further with a host named Ollie.
		And here is what Josh says about his book.
		We actually did speak for the last time less than 24 hours before the assassination happened.
		We had a Zoom call, a friend of mine, him, a couple of his producers.
		It was a small call.
		We were literally talking above all about the anti-Israel questions that he expected to receive on this campus tour.
		And we were kind of talking him through talking points and strategy and how to deal with these expected hostile questions.
		And, you know, you held on my book, Israel and Civilization, Ollie.
		The last words I think Charlie spoke to me were he literally said, You know, Josh, you know, when the Israel question comes up, I'm just gonna plug your book, you know, Israel and Civilization, because I think that what you read in the book basically is how I feel as well.
		And that ends up being the last time that we spoke.
		Well, you heard him.
		It's like Charlie's final wish is for you to buy Josh Hammer's book.
		I mean, he's like, Hey, he literally says his last thing he said to me actually was like, I'm just gonna plug your book.
		What he wanted to do on this tour was just to plug Josh Hammer's book.
		And it's so sad that he never had the opportunity to plug Josh Hammer's book.
		Now, let's keep with this interview because he's going to be asked more specifically about certain characters in the movement that are trying to quote unquote hijack Charlie's legacy by telling the truth.
		And remarkably, he is going to work.
		I swear he's going to work in his book again.
		Take a listen.
		If we'll excuse you, as you mentioned, there have been people who like Ian Carroll, and it pains me to mention her name, Candace Owens, because I know how close she was and maybe still is to Charlie.
		But at the end of the day, she's chosen to hijack his death right now to blame it on Israel.
		I mean, it's just so disturbing.
		But then you have the people who are sort of a bit more in the middle.
		Maybe I wouldn't even say in the middle, but they're teetering a bit.
		The Megan Kelly's and the Michael Knowles and others, kind of in this in-between.
		What do you think is going on there with them?
		Yeah, look, I mean, we can talk about every commentator one by one, but I think it's kind of easier to make a few kind of generalizations, right?
		I think a lot of folks are kind of just trying to take their commentary to where they see the perceived momentum, especially among the younger generation there.
		But so I think a lot of it is trying to kind of, you know, stick your finger in the wind and try to see, you know, where Gen Z is.
		And also, really, I mean, above all, see kind of just where the Twitter algorithms are right now.
		I mean, it's very hard to look at someone like, let's take Matt Gaetz, okay?
		Matt Gaetz was a former Republican congressman from Florida.
		Now he hosts a show on One America News.
		Matt Gates and I were very friendly for a while.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		He had me on his show back in March when my book came out.
		Ollie, he referred to my book as a battle map to save Western civilization.
unidentified		It was an extraordinarily kind segment.
		He was asking very intelligent questions.
		He clearly had read the book.
		He was engaging with the material in it there.
		And a few months later, you know, he's talking about Jewish supremacy, you know, a term that has kind of like der Sturmer origins.
		And he's had all on all sorts of horrible guests.
		I mean, does someone like that like actually flip that quickly based on like literally from March to June or July?
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
		I mean, it defies common sense.
		It defies reality.
		That's obviously not what's happening there.
unidentified		I think it's just profound cynicism.
		It's trying to kind of just play for clicks, play for money, and trying to kind of generate some viral clips to appease a small but very vocal and very online segment of the American right and of the American internet user base there.
		I just love that he doesn't even blink as he goes from promoting his book again to then accusing people of wanting money.
		It's just incredible as he's completely grifting off of Charlie's death by trying to promote his book as like Charlie's last wish.
		It's really amazing.
		Also, why does Michael Knowles randomly catch astray?
		Like, what's Michael Knowles been up to that he's like now on their list?
		Michael Knowles, Megan Kelly, they're listing them.
		That's coming next.
		Okay.
		Inevitably, it comes inward.
		I just want to be clear in case what he's saying is not registering to you correctly.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So, white men, to the extent that you are willing to get out there and work to serve really his book, to sell his book, to serve his interests, which are very clearly Israel, you're cool.
unidentified		You know, no one's going to call you into semi.
		Everything can be cool.
		To the extent that you, I don't know, maybe don't want to do that, you will be ruined.
		Matt Gates, what was he thinking?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
unidentified		Like, what on earth was Matt Gates thinking?
		It was great when he was out there pitching Josh Hammer's book, and now he can't be saved.
		But then, this is where it gets important.
		Josh Hammer gets even more specific, addressing the question if Charlie was beginning to crack on his support for Israel.
		Let's not forget, we already know the answer to this is yes.
		So, looking at this hindsight 2020 really is something.
		Take a listen.
		If he is what, or if he was going in a direction that Candace Owens and others say he was going in, you know, very, very simple points.
		Would he have had on me and our friend Rabbi Pesach Walicki literally the night before his death to spend an entire hour talking about how to respond to anti-Israel talking points?
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
unidentified		It literally simply does not make sense.
		His heart was absolutely in the right place.
		Again, he was trying to navigate kind of some very choppy water stuff.
		Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
		It really doesn't make sense.
		Charlie was just on the phone looking for talking points, trying to navigate some choppy waters with how he was going to address these kids that had some questions about Israel.
		He didn't, he was unflinching, but he gratefully had Josh Hammer's book and wanted to go through it and make sure that he remembered everything.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is probably also a great time referring to that little conference call they had, whatever it was, a Zoom call, to tell you that that rabbi, Rabbi Walicki, was also on the now infamous text chain.
unidentified		So, this means that both of those individuals knew exactly where Charlie was at on the topic of Israel and how he felt leading up to that moment of his death.
		And again, like I said, two weeks before that in the Hamptons, they knew where he was at.
		Tucker Carlson told you the truth on his stance on Bibi Net and Yahoo.
		Nobody wants to address or answer the question of whether or not when Bibi Net and Yahoo invited him to Israel, what the context was of that.
		Do you think that guy who's fighting a 140,000 front war because he keeps picking fights and pretending he's a victim, really just has time to pick up the phone and shoot the breeze with Charlie Kirk, whose number, according to the released letter, he didn't even have in May.
		So what's he calling him about?
		They obviously weren't close if he didn't have his number.
		Okay.
		So what's he calling Charlie about?
		Why is he inviting Charlie to Israel two weeks before he dies, right?
		Nobody will address that Charlie said no.
		He did.
		He said no.
		He didn't flinch.
		He wasn't even flinching.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He was just busy and couldn't make it out to Israel or something.
unidentified		Now, I will say that regarding Rabbi Walicki, I think he has more of a conscience and soul than Josh Hammer.
		I haven't seen him promoting his book.
		He doesn't lie as audaciously and as repeatedly and tweets nearly as neurotically as Josh Hammer does.
		But I want you to listen to what he had to say when asked whether or not Charlie was turning on Israel.
		Give us our hindsight 2020, Rabbi Walicki.
		The wild conspiracy theories online on social media claiming that Israel and the Mossad are behind the assassination of Charlie Kirk because he was turning on Israel.
		Now, you spoke to him just hours before his death.
		Did you feel that that was the case, that he was in fact turning on Israel?
		Nidar, I was in touch with Charlie on an almost daily basis for months.
		And he certainly had some disagreements with Israeli policy.
		And he criticized Israel where he felt appropriate.
		He sometimes believed things like a lot of people do that are out there in the media.
		And that was really the substance of our relationship was checking on things and finding out the truth.
		But that doesn't mean that he was immune to the negative sentiments that were out there.
		And there were a lot of people around him in the America First Movement who were actively working on him to try to get him to turn on Israel.
		But the real answer to your question is the meeting that I had with him.
		And the entire purpose of the meeting, called by Charlie, Charlie called this meeting and it was on our schedule for weeks, was that he was going out on a campus tour.
pesach wolicki ▲ ● ▼		Utah was the first stop on his new campus tour.
unidentified		And what a lot of people in Israel do not realize, or in the pro-Israel community, do not realize, is that between 40 and 50% of all of the questions and challenges that he would get on these campus tours were usually about Israel.
unidentified		Because the campuses, of course, have a lot of anti-Israel sentiment, and Charlie was known as a supporter of Israel.
pesach wolicki ▲ ● ▼		So he ended up being in a position where he was defending Israel all the time.
		And it drove him crazy because he wanted to talk about America, but he was defending Israel all the time.
		So in preparation for this new campus tour, he called a meeting of a few people that he trusted to talk about Israel issues and to anticipate the questions that he would be getting, the challenges that he would be getting on this campus tour, and to make sure that he had the truth and that he could formulate answers that he was comfortable with.
unidentified		If Charlie had turned on Israel, why would he even bother with a meeting like that?
unidentified		Why would he call a meeting with a few pro-Israel friends of his to talk through Israel issues to make sure that his facts were straight and his talking points were straight so that he could defend Israel better?
pesach wolicki ▲ ● ▼		If he was turning on Israel, he would have had Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson in the meeting planning to throw Israel under the bus.
unidentified		The entire premise of the meeting refutes that theory.
		How are you feeling about that?
		Now that you know that Charlie actually mentioned both Tucker and Candace 48 hours earlier as they were trying to do what they always do, which is control who he's allowed to speak to, control who I was allowed to speak to back when I was within the Zionist movement and waking up and realizing something was dangerously wrong when they started to try to control my voice.
		It's unbelievable.
		It's really unbelievable to reflect on that.
		Now, I will say again, Rabbi Walicki, more of a soul.
		He's at least acknowledging that something was going on, right?
		I don't think he would have been comfortable pulling the jaw.
		She was great.
		It was amazing by my book, right?
		He loved every second.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He's amazing.
unidentified		Oh my God, he wished just wished he could have gone over.
		The one thing that hurt Charlie Kirk the most was that he would never be able to wear an IDF uniform.
		He just wanted to go fight for Israel.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of the vibes that they were trying to put out there.
unidentified		At least Rabbi Walicki is like, he was under some pressure.
		Okay.
		He's saying it softly, but he's like, he was kind of needing to have a conversation to say he's not comfortable answering these questions anymore because it doesn't feel this way anymore.
		He realizes something is wrong.
		I told you he was particularly worried that Israel was infringing upon speech in America.
		I have text messages to that effect.
		Okay.
		So there's no undoing that.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He was aware that they had lost the PR war and it was weighing on him that he was seen, as Rabbi Walicki accurately states, as this person who just defends Israel, especially when what they are doing is so plainly immoral.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It was starting to fracture people's viewpoints of Charlie, right?
unidentified		And Charlie, like I said, when he got into this, like when I got into this, we were genuinely pro-Israel.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		There was nothing, there was not payment that was coming in.
unidentified		Was I ignorant?
		Yes.
		I've owned that a thousand times.
		I thought it's not relevant topic and it seems makes sense.
		You know, the low-hanging arguments make sense.
		Why can't they have their own country?
		Whatever.
		I focused BLM.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He was always genuine.
unidentified		And I think, as I've said, he was genuinely over it towards the end because of Jewish behavior.
		His words, not mine, leading into the stereotypes of Jewish behavior.
		Okay.
		He didn't want to be bullied.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He was being bullied.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They knew that he was being bullied.
unidentified		And yet they want us to believe that less than 48 hours before he died, Charlie announces that.
		He announces that he has no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause because of Jewish donors and their behavior, living up to these stereotypes.
		And despite this frustration, 48 hours earlier, the following day, he decided to have that smaller audience with two Jewish individuals who were on that chat and were aware that he was angry.
		But this conversation was not going to be a follow-up or in relation to what he had just expressed hours earlier to them both, but rather he was just like a super fan of Josh's book.
		He's like, gosh, this is amazing.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This book is amazing.
unidentified		I want to get on the phone with the author.
unidentified		What a wonderful opportunity to speak to the author.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I love this.
unidentified		Tell me to come up with this idea for the book.
		I want to hear more.
		And also, I'd like to strategize on how to deal with the questions that are coming at me using and promoting your book.
		That's what Josh wants us to believe, at least, right?
		And then we're supposed to believe that he had that dramatic switch.
		So he went from, I'm done, to like, hey, love you.
		How can I be of more service to you?
		And then in that exact same day, he was texting people saying they are going to kill me.
		On the same day that he's on this Zoom call, this is a fact, this night Zoom call, as Josh says it was that night, or the New York Post reported, I think, right?
		That it was at night.
		That at the same time, that same day, he's texting people saying they are going to kill me.
		And we are supposed to deduce from this that by they, what he really meant was Tyler Robinson.
		He meant they, them, duh, like a non-binary person or a trans person.
		They were going to kill him.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That was what he had a feeling about.
unidentified		And everything else is just completely irrelevant.
unidentified		He just had a sense, a premonition that a trans person was going to get him.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Do you buy any of that?
unidentified		And I want to say this.
		I was speaking to somebody earlier about how interesting it is that none of us, and I'm not saying none of us, I'm talking about Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, myself.
		When we were speaking honestly and accurately about what Charlie was going through and how he was being bullied and how he was under pressure, and Megan even spoke about it herself, by the way, Megan, you should probably tell people who those individuals are.
		We never once said that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I've never said that because on the basis of the facts that you guys are following on the show, I don't have any evidence of that.
unidentified		It doesn't serve me to make up a narrative that I can't prove, right?
		Why would I say that?
		But what I will say is that I am uncomfortable with how many lies people that support Israel have been telling in the wake of his death.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That has been almost the only compelling argument that Israel had anything to do with it is the way they're acting right now.
unidentified		Like Bibi Net and Yahoo, the propaganda, the lies, the coming after Canis Owens.
		None of this was necessary.
		Nobody thought when this first happened, this is 100% Israel.
		100%.
		This happened in Mormon country.
		How come there were no Mormon people, no Mormon presidents coming out and saying, I just want to be clear that we didn't kill Charlie Kirk 24 hours after he died?
		Because that's what Bibi did.
		How come there were no Mormon people that started Operation Mormon pastor or president feeling the need to baselessly attack me?
		I was actually on the Mormons.
		I've been on the show calling them out by name, saying who was doing what?
		But Mormons were not offended by that at all because they want to know if somebody is corrupt and had something to do with this.
		They want to know if their church was involved in this.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's a normal response.
unidentified		Not to say, it definitely wasn't us, but rather to say, I'm on this journey.
		I want to know who killed Charlie Kirk too.
		And I'm therefore going to support Candace's efforts to find out.
		Exact opposite of what Israel is doing, right?
		That is the one disturbing fact.
		about people that support Israel.
		Their behavior, to put it in a way that Charlie put it.
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		Okay, first, I want to put out an, I think cop's called an APB.
		What does it actually stand for, Mark?
		I'm not, I'm not all points bulletin.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		See, you're never too old to learn something.
unidentified		And of course, mark me that instantly.
		All points bulletin.
		Mark has got a lot of random facts about every subject up there in his brain.
		We're not really sure why.
		First order of business, I got to put out this all points bulletin.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking for footage on UVU campus, some particular footage from people that were there that day.
unidentified		And I want to be real specific here so we don't clog up the inbox because obviously when you send footage to bigger file, I'm looking for video footage of any older males, okay, any older males that day that have long hair that was up in a ponytail or a bun.
unidentified		So if you're a UVU student or you know someone who was a UVU student, please send this around and ask people to send me their footage.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I just want to see footage of men that have their long hair, enough hair, that it's up in a ponytail or a bun.
unidentified		There is, of course, a specific reason why I'm asking for that.
		Also, they're in me scouring the earth for every piece of footage.
		There's an almost incomprehensible lack of footage that is coming from the left side of Charlie, meaning if Charlie is facing the crowd, it would be his left side.
		So we have gone ahead and highlighted for you where I am looking for footage from.
		Okay.
		I can't find footage from this section.
		Chris, if you could go back to that first one again, too.
		This section right here, if you were sitting here or go to the next one, all on the side, when the shots rang out or just before, you know, maybe in the 10 minutes before, so I can see who was around or what happened when those shots rang out.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It is weird.
unidentified		There's just a, it's like a black hole.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Cannot get footage of that angle from the front.
unidentified		You're probably going, well, doesn't Turning Point have that footage?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, Turning Point, as we have learned, is not going to show anybody anything in 4K or in 5K.
unidentified		I think because that would be helpful or something.
		So we have to do it this way, the organic way, which takes much more time.
		You know, I do want to say this as well.
		You can send that, by the way, to tips at candaceowens.com.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We also have more tips at candaceowens.com.
unidentified		And please just put in the subject line footage at UVU.
		That would be very easy.
		It would help us sort things.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We've kind of been cleaning up the inbox.
unidentified		Again, more tips at candaceowens.com or tips at candaceowens.com.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You know, somebody I was speaking to earlier today was speaking about, you know, the anxiety that Turning Point is going through.
unidentified		I do want to say this first and foremost because I felt this way at previous companies.
		They are amazing people that work at Turning Point USA, the overwhelming majority of them.
		And that's what sucks when corporate or people at the top take a direction.
		Those people get no say, right?
		This investigation is being assisted by Turning Point USA.
		Not the execs, but Turning Point people on the ground, people that they don't even think about, smaller employees, like they deeply care about what has happened.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They deeply care about finding answers regarding what happened to Charlie Kirk.
unidentified		And so we never want to paint a broad picture that this is turning point.
		The top is most certainly not the bottom.
		And somebody was saying, you know, what if this, what you're doing destroys Turning Point USA?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And I said, you know what?
unidentified		This is what I always say.
		If the truth is capable of destroying your company, the truth, then does your company deserve to exist?
		Think about that.
		If I'm like, if people learn the truth about how Candace Owens treats her employees, Candace Owens isn't going to have a career.
		If people learn the truth about what Candace Owens does in the weekends, it will destroy her career.
		Like that probably means that you're not a good person or you're not a good company if the truth is a threat to you.
		I've heard this argument over and over.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I've never been fearful.
unidentified		And obviously, I'm kind of constantly going through a public x-ray, a public x-ray of my life.
		People examine me.
		I'm never fearful because I think I'm a decent, a decent person, right?
		I live honorably.
		Do I make mistakes?
		Yes, I own my mistakes immediately.
		And I will be very quick to apologize to people when I get things wrong.
		But I'm not an evil person, nowhere near an evil person.
		And I always try to be honest.
		And so do not concern yourselves with people that feel threatened by truth, right?
		That's that's ridiculous.
		Anyway, speaking of which, obviously, you can see right now the Zionist lobby hates me and Tucker Carlson.
		It is like nothing anybody has ever seen in their lives.
		This past year, they've really upped the ante on trying to destroy me and Tucker Carlson.
		The hatred is deep, it's sinister, it's evil.
		And they have sent virtually every foot soldier that they have available to attack us repeatedly, right?
		Or attack us repeatedly, make videos.
		People get confusing.
		What is it?
		Is she lying?
		Why is she saying this?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Is this the right time?
unidentified		It's actually getting quite boring, I think.
		It's a little boring.
		I would almost describe their strategy as blitzkrieg.
		I don't want to be accused of being a Nazi for using these two German words, blitzkrieg, but it has been something like bombardment and bombardment.
		And this morning, they sent out Dinesh D'Souza after me.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's very, very convincing, by the way.
		He sent out a tweet to convince people that they shouldn't watch me.
		He said, I can't comment on Candace because it's quite obviously a freak show.
unidentified		It's like driving on the highway and seeing a farmer having sex with a sheep.
		You don't want to look, but you can't look away either.
		The problems begin when you try to analyze it.
		It is what it is.
		And I love that Ishar Ali replies and says, this is what I mean.
		These are the people who are supposed to be combating Candace Owens.
		Instead, they tweet stuff like this.
		Yeah, hi, Dinesh.
		Kind of weird, man.
		We cannot relate.
		I got to tell you, if I ever was in this awful scenario where I saw a farmer trying to have sex with a sheep, I feel very much that I could not only look away, but I could call the police.
		Okay.
		So if that's kind of what you're selling, you know how like when you can't look away from bestiality, Dinesh, you want to know your opinion on me, not what's on your laptop and how they maybe blackmailed you, okay?
		That's not what we're interested in, Dinesh D'Souza.
		And he's like, well, I meant that as a joke.
		You didn't mean it as a joke.
		You went seriously and it was weird.
		It got weird very quickly.
		And we learned more about you than we learned about me.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That seems to be the circumstance.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's like a complete boomerang.
unidentified		But yeah, this is, they're really starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel and finding people and there's some weird stuff.
		So I'd say, think Dinesh D'Souza.
		If he thought that that was going to be relatable and convince people, yeah, I totally relate.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It's like, just can't look away from that stuff when you see it.
unidentified		That did not happen.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That did not happen.
unidentified		Now, because they are seriously increasing and being, I would almost say erratic in their behavior, obsessive, erratic, neurotic, there is a real risk here, right?
		I do not accept, and do you guys, that Charlie Kirk lost his life because he really pissed off the trans lobby.
		It terrifies me to think that on the day that Charlie died, I got multiple phone calls from people who said that me and Tucker should lay low because we're also on the list.
		And they never told us who specifically told them that, by the way.
		Now I'm wondering.
		why they never told us who specifically told them that.
		I called Tucker.
		I'm like, I'm hearing, are you hearing me say something?
		I'm hearing they're saying that we're next.
		And now I go, was that supposed to be a threat to me and Tucker?
		To have us watch the public execution of a friend of ours and then to call us and to say, you should lay low for a little bit because you guys were hearing that you guys are on a list.
		Was that supposed to be a threat?
		Because why wouldn't you be more forthcoming with exactly who you heard that from?
		And I said, I remember saying, I was like, did the feds say this?
		Who said this specifically?
		Because why aren't they calling me and Tucker?
		Why am I calling Tucker and telling him about this?
		And I did.
		He will tell you that.
		The day that Charlie Kirk was shot, this really happened.
		And I'm coming out of the grief stage and realizing I think that was an element of this.
		To send a signal, to shoot him in the throat, right?
		To say, we took out his voice and we will take yours out too.
		And that's terrifying and that's real.
		These people that we are fighting are dangerous, okay?
		Do not underestimate them.
		They are dangerous and they are haughty and they are growing increasingly desperate and panicked people that are evil in this way are not people that you want to, that you want to play with, right?
		People are nervous.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Everyone is feeling it.
unidentified		And that's why I decided that I don't know what's going to happen.
		Okay.
		I don't know how many days I have on this planet.
		I do know what I'm fighting for.
		And I do know that this life is not it.
		It's not.
		I'm telling you guys, it's not.
		The people that want you to believe that it is, people that pulled you away from your faith in the first place, as I'm trying to demonstrate to you, did it because they knew they could further enslave you.
		They want you to be fearful of death.
		They want you to think it's it.
		They want you to think it's lights out and that everything is over and that you are not a soul, right?
		Because then they can get you to do things to guard what you have in this world.
		Follow their rules to do things that you know are wrong because you need the money.
		It indoctrinates you into their matrix.
		What I wanted to do, as I discussed yesterday and which got picked up, was to create a kill switch, right?
		To realize that Kanye was kind of right.
		Never would you like to say that Kanye was right.
		Kanye said that in order to be free, you had to violate these contracts.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You had to recognize that your voice is being controlled.
unidentified		And Kanye did just that.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It was really an act of bravery to free himself.
unidentified		But I have no doubt that the same people that were torturing Kanye, the same people that were torturing Charlie Kirk, Kanye died today, would be the first to eulogize him.
		I feel that.
		I do.
		I feel that.
		And I think it's important to share that information as Kanye sent me all the messages of people who were threatening him.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I have them all.
unidentified		To information share with Max Blumenthal, with people, village, I mean, people all over the place to send a package and say, if anything happens to me and it looks suspicious, release it all.
		You know, it's not even about having an opposite and equal reaction.
		I want it to be an unequal reaction.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I want it to be a mistake because people, it catalyzes people waking up and learning exactly how this matrix works.
unidentified		And Alex Jones brought this up on his show, my Kill Switch.
		Here's what he had to say.
		What did she lay the traps for him?
		She comes out and says, Yeah, Charlie was calling me, wanting me out of his events again and all the rest of it.
		And he was also really concerned about the Israel lobby coming after him.
		And they said, You're a liar.
		Charlie didn't like you.
		Charlie didn't like you.
		Charlie didn't call you.
		He didn't text you.
		And so she let him say that for a few weeks and then released it.
		The text.
		And then she said, Yeah, he was really upset with the Israel lobby and said he was breaking with them entirely.
		He wouldn't be bullied by them.
		And the weeks before he was killed, they said, You're a liar.
		That's not true.
		So she released those two days ago.
		Now she says she has the proof, and it's text messages that he feared for his life in the two days and the day before he was killed.
		And predictably, they're already saying it.
		She's a liar.
		And she's going to release those.
		And she's also sent out the dead man switch, just like James O'Keefe did to myself and a few others right before he released the stuff on Prince Andrew, which is dangerous, by the way, proving that he indeed indeed raped the girls and cover it up.
		People are like, we already know that.
		How's that daring?
		Oh, you're going to release the total proof on the King of England's brother?
		Yeah, that's dangerous.
		So those of you saying O'Keefe doesn't risk his life and all the stuff he's been through and been arrested and indicted and raided, try putting on issues for a while before you sit around and say that he didn't do anything.
		Man's a champion.
		But the point is, is that this is a real dead man switch.
		She has sent out it to the Tate brothers, Dave Smith, Max Blumenthal, Turk Carlson, and others.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm trying to get around for weeks.
unidentified		I'm a little bummed out she didn't send it to me because I'd like to stand with her, but we do stand with her.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So they're already out saying she's a liar.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		She's going to release that.
unidentified		Now, this doesn't prove Israel killed him or a lobby around that.
		Because I've seen no evidence.
		You know, they said his security detail was Israeli.
		They weren't.
		It was just the first knee-jerk reaction.
		I said, you can certainly say Israel's a suspect, but I said, I need to see proof.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We need to figure out the ballistics and who really shot him and all that before we then, you know, start saying, okay, your motive.
unidentified		I mean, you can always look at motive, but first with the forensic situation, are they covering it up?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What's the ballistics?
unidentified		That's just where I am.
		I'm not going to just say something because people think it.
		But when she releases this, and she's got it, make no mistake, just like she keeps bringing the goods, and she just sets the hook with the worm on it or puts the mousetrap out with the cheese on it.
		And they come out and say, you're a liar.
		And she goes, boom, you're a liar.
		Boom.
		You're a liar.
		Boom.
		You're a liar.
		Boom.
		Bam.
		So, and she'll let him, you know, for a week or so kind of stew and say she's a liar, and then she'll just release it.
		And then what she's saying is, you kill me, it doesn't matter, it's coming out.
		And the word is he specifically thought Israel was going to kill him.
		Even Michael Savage, first a few months ago, said, Netanyahu needs to go on my show during the break.
		He goes, man, I hope Massad doesn't kill me.
		Cruise saw it.
		He was on the feed.
		He didn't say it was off record.
		It was during the break.
		So there are a lot of groups that want Charlie killed.
		He was defeating the Democrats with TPUSA, got over two and a half million people to vote conservatively for Trump, was moving the needle big time, more than anybody with young people on colleges.
		So I see them as the modem.
		And they said, we want Charlie dead.
		They said, you know, they celebrated when he was dead.
		You had like six Trantifa.
		Say, Charlie will be dead tomorrow.
		Then they said, see, we told you.
		And that was in the town.
		So, you know, we got Trantifa, the tranny Antifa, running around, engaged in all sorts of violence everywhere.
		So I was like, okay, yeah, I mean, that bitch.
		So you get the picture.
		I mean, I think, and he goes on to explain how we all feel, which is like genuinely, we had no proof and no rhyme or reason to think or suspect Israel whatsoever.
		And it's really just been this insane behavior of covering up and lying that makes us question things.
		Like that's the reality.
		And by the way, questioning things doesn't mean that we have any proof that that happened, which is why we've been actually reticent to say that.
		But they're not acting right.
		And gut means something.
		They're not acting right.
		None of them are acting right.
		And that's not just Turning Point USA execs.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And I've tried to explain it away in my head a thousand times.
unidentified		Oh, well, you know, everyone's great.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever.
unidentified		Grieving and give them time.
		And then it just got to a place where I said, no, this feels like something else.
		I don't know why they're telling little lies.
		And little lies only exist to cover up bigger lies.
		Anyways, you guys, all of that, I also do want to add here, show you a clip before we get into some of your comments that it's also very good to not extend to everyone that is Jewish the viewpoints of this very radical sect that has a lot of power in America.
		People like Josh Hammer don't get fired when they explicitly express that, you know, they hate white people, whatever.
		That's like, okay, on your resume.
		That's not the people, you know this, that you went to school with.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Like I grew up around the Dave Smiths of the world, right?
unidentified		And I always say I'm grateful that I did because when you engage into politics, what you see is so ugly that you just go, oh my gosh, like coming into stereotypes.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You're living up every stereotype.
unidentified		But what you're seeing is the stranglehold of APAC.
		It is a political organization.
		And I always say, if you look at any lobby in DC, it'll make you hate someone, right?
		Pharmaceutical lobby will make you hate the pharmaceutical companies.
		The Jewish lobby will make you hate Jews.
		The black caucus will make you hate black people.
		And so people that go to DC are incredibly corrupt.
		Money rules them and they become powerful.
		Power corrupts.
		Absolutely.
		It's just good to remember that.
		And I found myself wanting to show you this joke.
		This is a comedian, John Marco Serezi, who is Jewish and just taking, he's making fun.
		This is what comedians do, making fun of himself, makes everybody feel better.
		Just remember that there are people that are not like Josh Hammer.
		That's kind of what the point I want to get across.
		Listen to this very funny joke by John Marco Cerezi.
		I celebrated most of the major Jewish holidays growing up.
		Passover was my favorite because you get to read it at the table.
		And then that's the story where the Jews, we were enslaved by the Pharaoh.
		And then Moses made the plagues happen.
		And then we escaped and we crossed the desert for 40 years.
		I liked it because it made Jews seem cool.
		But that was also kind of confusing.
		Because I was like, okay, how did we go from crossing the desert to now being known as generally frail?
		And I didn't know.
		I didn't understand until one day I went on vacation to Miami with my very Jewish girlfriend.
		And the moment we got to the beach, she was like, it's like a desert out here.
		And I was like, oh my God.
		What if Jews have been exaggerating this entire fucking time?
		We got stuck in traffic on the way there.
		My girlfriend was like, let my people go.
		The beach was a little crowded.
		He said, there's like six million people here.
		Yeah, you got it.
		That's fantastic.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's funny.
unidentified		And it's good to remind yourself that politics is serious all the time, but most of the people do not behave like psychopaths and they're very funny and can make fun of themselves.
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		All right, guys, what do you guys think?
		Are you giving Josh Hammer a charitable read?
		Do you think that he was inspired?
		Because there were people that were bringing up that old tweet.
		They always say there's a Trump tweet for everything.
		And then people will pass it around for certain situations.
		Do you think that that was what he was doing in the context of what was going on that day, which was really the focus of his tweets, seemed to be talking about Israel as always and going after Qatar and Tucker Carlson, as always?
		What are you guys thinking?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Corey Henry, thank you for that donation.
unidentified		Hey, sister from another mother, hire more security.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I fear for you now.
unidentified		Please stay safe.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Prayers for you and yours.
unidentified		You are getting close.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The phone call was them putting pressure on him.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Wow, just wow.
unidentified		Corey, I will tell you, Charlie owned the security company.
		So that security company, you see, that's around him.
		He owned it.
		He actually outright purchased a security company and it didn't matter.
		And they didn't do anything.
		It clearly was an act of vanity.
		They should never be allowed to work again because why would you not have, I mean, he's a sitting duck from the amount that he was paying for that security for them to not check rooftops.
		You could have someone actually requiring that you have access to rooftops.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You could have one of your guys on a rooftop.
unidentified		Wouldn't that be a good idea?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I just, I don't understand it.
unidentified		Kelly Gibbs writes, my Catholic bestie and I keep you in our prayers.
		Thank you, Kelly, for this gift.
		Rosary and Divine Mercy, I pray that our Lord and Lady protect you and your family, give you wisdom and safeguard the pearl of great price, the faith passed down from the apostles.
		Thank you so much.
		It's such a sweet comment.
		Jose Cruz writes, Candace, I love you so much.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		May God bless you.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Can you lightly please don't stop?
unidentified		A lot of love from Mexico.
unidentified		I'm not associated with Turning Point USA and I'm not a liberal.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Please don't tear apart Turning Point USA because we need a movement for the youth.
unidentified		Please tread lightly.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Make sure you have all the facts because you are an important voice.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Any youth movement must be based in truth.
unidentified		And like I said, Turning Point USA has fantastic people that worked and signed up to work for that company and dedicated their time with that company, whether even volunteers, people on college campuses, because they believed in truth and they knew they were getting it from Charlie.
		Right now, we are at a point.
		And I think John and Irina Mappin in that beautiful letter they wrote yesterday said it way more eloquently than I ever could, which is if you actually continue the legacy of Charlie, it means continuing to fight for truth.
		And to the extent that they do that, fantastic.
		They will have an ally in me.
		I never attacked Turning Point USA because I came from Turning Point USA.
		And I saw what it took to build that company because I was a part of building that company.
		But to the extent that we feel that they've become so corporate that they're not answering our questions or making us feel ashamed for asking these questions or feeling like they don't care about getting to truth, I think it was very sloppy what Tyler Boyer did on X.
		He was accusatory.
		He called people names.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		To that extent, they won't survive.
unidentified		That is just a reality.
		I can't fix that, right?
		People will pick up on that.
		They will pick up on what feels like treachery.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It will feel to them like a betrayal to Charlie Kirk's legacy because that's how it feels to me, right?
unidentified		We're all feeling it together.
		That's the point.
		And so we offer this as a course correction for them.
		You know, I want to believe that they're just grieving in a weird way, that they have a ton of things on their plates.
		Maybe they're fearful for their own lives.
		I don't know.
		But if that were the truth, they could still get the truth out to other people.
		And that is something I want you to know that Charlie was remarkable at.
		And that's why I always defended Charlie.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Never took the bait on people saying he's this, he's this.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Charlie was very good at knowing.
unidentified		He's the guy that'll get in the room.
unidentified		He was happy to schmooze.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He was a perfect diplomat and politician.
unidentified		And then he would call and he'd call like Tucker or me and say, you hit this, you go hard, you do this.
		I mean, he was, as someone put it today, he was a maestro.
		He really was.
		He's like, that's the drum, you know.
		So we're going to need the bass.
		You're going to need to be the strings.
		I'm going to play this.
		And we are, we're going to have a symphony.
		They're not working with the fighters.
		It feels like they're working with the feds.
		They've said explicitly they're working with the feds.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know what to make of that.
unidentified		But I hear you.
		I hear you.
		And I feel the same way.
		I want Turning Point USA to survive, but I want them to be truthful first.
		Evie writes, thank you for that donation, Evie.
		It's giving Joey from friends.
		Do they know that we know no?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Amazing work as always.
		Much love and support from Australia.
		And if anything, God forbid, happened to you.
unidentified		I promise we would all ride at dawn.
		Thank you.
		I know that you guys would all over the world.
		And I know that you wouldn't know, but you would know no.
		You know what I mean?
		Like we would know what happened.
		So there we go.
		Angela writes, follow the money.
		It never lies.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Christ is king, team Candice.
unidentified		Thank you, Angela.
		MJ Ramon writes, That's what's done in the dark will be exposed in the light.
		Absolutely.
		It is biblical.
		Angela Lewis writes, Mormon here, we love you, Candace.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We just want truth and we are praying for you constantly.
unidentified		Yes, I do want to say shout out to the Mormon community for never accusing me of being anti-Utah, anti-Mormon.
		I don't know what anti-Latter-day Saints.
		Sorry, I know nothing about your faith.
		But you have been assisting and that's been amazing.
		And you want to know, like, I want to know, like, we all want to know.
		Can Erb writes, I realized something beautiful.
		Charlie wanted you on stage, AmFest.
		They tried to stop him, but in doing so, he made sure that you had an even bigger stage.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He knew pulling back the veil on the current spiritual warfare needed to be shown by you on a global stage.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Rest in peace, Charlie.
unidentified		I feel that way.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		I feel like everything that happened.
		And that's why I say I was always like his big sister.
		Like it happened to me first.
		And it was very hurtful.
		It was hard.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And Charlie, it was hurtful for him because you believe they're your friends.
unidentified		Like, I believed that.
		I believe they wanted my, I just took it.
		Like, I once retweeted Max Blumenthal and they made me think I was like the worst human.
		And I took them at their word before I realized that it was much more sinister.
		And I'm grateful thus far that I did not pay any greater cost than destroying my reputation and my name and trying to get me canceled everywhere.
		Dennis Domian writes, In times where deception grows, truth tellers matter most.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Candice.
		Your courage gives hope.
		Greetings from Croatia, Christ is king.
		I'll tell you a story.
unidentified		I used to live in Croatia for a couple of months, about three months, working on a wedding in Dubrovnik.
unidentified		Josie Ells writes, God bless you.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We are rooting for you from Australia.
unidentified		I hope you're rooting for me to get into Australia.
unidentified		By uncovering the flaws in the U.S., you've opened our eyes to the demonism that we are under in our own government, too.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait for them to approve your visa so that we can show you some Aussie love.
unidentified		Even that, you know, it's up to the Supreme Court or the High Court of Australia.
		And if it happens, even that was meant to be because I still can't believe that I'm like banned from, I got banned from a country.
		Like, what am I doing?
		That my country, I wasn't even going to speak about Israel, like nothing.
		And yet the Zionist lobby grows up and like, she can't speak.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I was going to speak about homeschooling and children and my backstory and race issues.
unidentified		And they were like, you can't come in.
		Okay, but you can still download my podcast on Spotify.
		I don't, I don't understand.
		Henry Love writes, The Spiritual War, thank you for being one of the warriors of light.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Henry.
unidentified		Rachel Ryder writes, I owe you an apology, Candace.
		As a former Dem, I am ashamed to admit that I've said some awful things about you.
		Wholly unwarranted that I deeply regret you're a brilliant, honest voice in a choir of crooks and liars.
		We don't deserve you.
		God bless.
		You know what, Rachel?
		I'll apologize back because I was also partially blinded and I thought that it was just the left.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was taking that low-hanging fruit of us warring against each other.
unidentified		And I've realized now, like, no, we're all actually fighting real evil and we're going to disagree along the way.
		You know, I don't think you should trans your children.
		I'm against it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm very against it.
unidentified		But I also am more interested in where all of these ideologies are coming from.
		I'm more interested in the war against family.
		I'm more interested in waking everybody up by actually being more charitable in our interpretations of one another and what motivates us and less charitable to the government, right?
		Because they know exactly what they're doing.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And that's the real risk.
unidentified		That is the real threat to the government.
		Is the left and the right actually uniting?
		In fact, they were like angry when they were randomly, you know, they've just been treating Megan Kelly like a battered wife.
		I don't know.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I say something, she gets beat.
		It's weird.
		But during that course of that Constantine kissing, when he was like, you need to make a statement against Candace and Tucker, somebody else was saying to her, Candice doesn't even hate the left anymore.
		Like that was supposed to be a convincing argument for Megan to trash me, like really trying to get us exist in that left-right paradigm, and it only serves them at the top.
unidentified		So I hope more of this, more realizing and more coming together on the stuff that we can agree on.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Miracle Media lastly writes Cannis, as a Christian, you have the authority to fight any strife that comes your way.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Recite and memorize Psalms 91, 121, 23, and I guarantee God's angels will protect your footsteps, your family from these evildoers.
unidentified		They are protection scriptures.
		Thank you so much for saying that.
		And we pray every day.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We really do.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		But everything is in God's control.
unidentified		And we, I feel, are in a great period of revelation.
		And that is why we are also in a period of anxiety because with that, the, you know, the demons commit further to their demonology.
		And we therefore have to commit more to truth.
		And yeah, that's basically all that I want to say today.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You guys, I have some bad news here at the very end.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I am going to take next week off.
unidentified		I'm going to take about 10 days off, actually.
		I'll give you more details about that tomorrow.
		But, you know, I just feel like I need to, I'm arriving at the acceptance phase.
		I will say the stages of grief is very real.
		And I just kind of want to take a little bit of time to really just kind of mourn Charlie in my own personal capacity and just kind of recognize I'm never going to see him again, never going to talk to him again, and to say kind of bye in my own way and take a break and a breather.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And so nothing bad is happening to me.
unidentified		I will still be sending an occasional Instagram wave so that you guys know that I'm fine.
		But I wanted to let you know a heads up what's going on there.
		Anyways, if you would like to support our show, as many of you guys have, you can head to cannisones.com.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You can sign up.
unidentified		You can join our book club.
		You can buy our We Don't Know No, but We Know brand stuff.
		Join us in prison when Laura Loomer sends us for writing CIA in parody.
		And it's a parody because we don't want to be in CIA.
		We think there's a lot of corruption there.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I'm hoping one day my team will let me have the green hat.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They never sent it to me.
unidentified		So hopefully if you know someone, somebody get me that green CIA hat because it's actually, people are tagging me in it.
		I don't have it.
		And it's really nice.
		Other than that, you guys, thank you so much for your support.

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