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Charlie Kirk Shooting Suspect Charged. Something Isn’t Right… | Candace Ep 236

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unidentified		Well, it's going to be a heck of a Tuesday for us, guys.
		Where should we begin?
		I'll tell you this.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Something is not right.
unidentified		Something is not right.
		And I am going to need you, whoever it is that's listening to this podcast right now, to wake up because I am telling you, this is not a battle between left and right.
		We all thought that at some point.
		We believed that.
		You're my enemy.
		You're my enemy.
		It is not a battle between Russia, Ukraine.
		I don't care what your political issue of the day is.
		What is happening right now in the world and what just happened to my friend Charlie Kirk is a battle of sheer evil versus goodness.
		What do I have for you guys?
		Say, okay, well, first and foremost, the indictment against Tyler Robinson was just released, and I have a lot of questions that I think need to be answered regarding his trans boyfriend, Lance Twiggs.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just spoke to a family member who told me a lot about Lance Twiggs because the media is kind of presenting him as this do-gooder.
unidentified		You might be interested to know that his family has a different perspective.
		Also, turning point employees are contacting me, a lot of them, okay?
		And I am not liking what I am hearing from them about things that took place leading up to that Hamptons event, some changes at the organization in the months leading up to that event, and what had been happening more broadly at the company over the last year.
		Speaking of which, Bill Ackman, you may have caught that he responded to me about the Hamptons with a lot of words to really say nothing at all.
		And I want to be clear, I am not done, okay?
		I'm coming for everybody.
		Charlie Kirk's death is really just a beginning.
		So welcome back.
		Let's start with some major updates regarding the Charlie Kirk case.
		First and foremost, what always stood out to us about this shooting was Decoy Boy, right?
		We're all on social media.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We all watch the news.
unidentified		We have all, whether we wanted to or not, witnessed, thanks to social media and the news, a lot of shootings, a lot of shootings, whether it's gang-related or otherwise.
		And I have to say, I don't know if I'm the only one, never in my entire life have I seen a situation when a shooting happens and then somebody completely unrelated to the shooting that just happened jumps up and down and says that they did it and gets arrested for saying that they did it, implying that they did it.
		Well, for whatever reason, George Zinn, who is a 71-year-old man, was moved to do that, right?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Instantly.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Charlie Kirk gets shot.
unidentified		Suddenly, the 71-year-old man jumps up and creates what is obviously some sort of a distraction.
		Okay.
		We have eyes.
		We can see that.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's not normal.
unidentified		He creates a distraction.
		So let's just take a look at this clip of him being arrested in the aftermath of the shooting.
		Well, now it's about to get even stranger because since he's been arrested, he's now facing charges of obstruction of justice because he didn't do it right.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
unidentified		Why would you obstruct justice in this manner?
		And now in addition to those charges, we learn that he's been harboring images of child abuse.
		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He has kiddie porn.
unidentified		This is the headline.
unidentified		I can't make this up.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Man arrested for allegedly faking a confession to Charlie Kirk's killing.
unidentified		George Zinn, accused of obstructing justice, was also booked in connection with images on his cell phone related to child abuse.
		Okay.
		So we learn from this article that after being arrested, the 71-year-old man for this second-degree felony, which is obstruction of justice, he was also, when the police had approached him, he was being weird about giving them his cell phone.
		Okay.
		So they took him into custody.
		They treated him for a medical condition.
		And then they start asking this guy questions about, you know, what are you doing?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Can we see your cell phone?
unidentified		And he's being really cagey about giving over his cell phone.
unidentified		They're like, okay, we're trying to get to the bottom of why you would stand up and scream, shoot me, shoot me, immediately following the aftermath of this murder.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And what they discover is that when asked by an officer, okay, after he, like, they figure out that like he's, he's, he's not being cooperative, is that he has images.
		He has images of kiddie porn.
		There's no other way to say this of related to child abuse on his cell phone.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now, what does that tell you about this guy?
unidentified		Okay.
		What does it tell you about George Zinn?
		What that signals to me about George Zinn is that I've, I mean, I've read a lot about Jeffrey Epstein.
		I've read a lot about blackmail operations.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The people they tend to go after are people who are into children.
unidentified		Full stop.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm not saying, obviously, he's just been charged here.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So I guess we have to say allegedly, but that's what's coming out now, that they found images on his cell phone.
unidentified		So this guy who is into this sort of thing, we also figure out that in the past, he has given interviews related to September 11th and al-Qaeda.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He is in Utah and he is obstructing justice.
unidentified		And he also happens to have this totally disgusting addiction of some description, assuming it's an addiction.
unidentified		And that's what he's harboring.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He's harboring child abuse images on his phone.
		That's what I'm going to tell you.
		That's my instinct immediately.
		I don't like this guy.
		That is suspect.
unidentified		Okay.
		Something to watch.
		Now, in terms of this indictment, now that we can formally read the indictment, there's been a lot that's been said that I think a lot of the miscommunication is perhaps coming from Governor Cox.
		I think he in and of himself, I probably should look into Governor Cox.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure why he said some things that are apparently untrue.
unidentified		Maybe he misspoke.
		I understand there is a lot of pressure when it comes to this investigation.
		But I'm going to, let's just take us through this indictment.
		I think it's important for us to go through it so that we can see the setup here of what took place on September 10th.
		Now, first, they provide basically an overview in this indictment.
		It's a probable cause statement.
		They tell us that basically after 33 hours, they really love saying it, 33 hours.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why they keep signaling that to us.
unidentified		On September 11, 2025, when Tyler James Robinson surrendered to police at Washington County Sheriff's Office, that was when it happened.
		They found DNA consistent with Robinson on the rifle trigger.
		After shooting Mr. Kirk, Robinson hid the gun.
		They're going to get into that.
		Discarded, discarded the clothing that he was wearing when he fired the rifle.
		And he told his lover slash roommate to delete incriminating text messages and not to speak with police.
		And also, they will be charging him count six because children were present at the time of the shooting.
		Okay.
		Now, to get through this, we are told that the suspect after this shooting took place, that there was a police officer who immediately looked upward and realized that he had heard the sign of a rifle, knew that it was obviously coming from the rooftops.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They then began crawling through the footage, began crawling through the footage to see what had happened.
unidentified		They tell us that this discovery led to an intensive review.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Let me go actually back up to this paragraph.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Police reviewed surveillance from the camera that was covering the roof and discovered that it recorded an individual that was dressed in dark clothing who had crossed the railing from the public walkway and dropped onto the roof at approximately 1215 p.m.
unidentified		Now, just very quickly, I'm going to just tell you according to our timeline, we know that Charlie gets shot at 12.23 p.m.
unidentified		So they're now telling us that he was on that roof since 12.15 p.m.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So he's setting up that shot, we can assume, for about eight minutes, okay?
unidentified		It goes on, although the individual moved out of the camera's view for a short time, the camera again captured the individual running across the roof and then low crawling to the area that the officer had recognized as where the suspected sniper had dropped into a prone shooting position.
		After a short time, which matches the known time of the shot, the individual arose and then ran across the roof to the northeast.
		So nothing in here implies that he had, you know, taken apart the shotgun.
		I mean, that just seems to be now removed from the narrative altogether.
		It goes on to read that this discovery led to an intensive review of UVU surveillance recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect.
		Surveillance revealed the following that at approximately 1151 a.m., the suspect had entered campus from the north.
		He is wearing a black shirt with an American flag in its center, a dark baseball cap, large sunglasses.
		Throughout the surveillance, the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his head enough to get a clear image of his face.
		As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking with an unusual gait.
		The suspect walks with very little bending in his right leg, consistent with a rifle being hidden in his pants.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This unusual gait continues until the suspect is seen crossing the railing off the open walkway and onto the roof where he leaves the camera's view.
unidentified		Okay, so the first thing I'm going to say is they've only sent us screenshots, right?
		We've only seen a picture of him coming up the staircase.
		It looked to me like both his legs were bending.
		I don't see why they don't just release.
		Why don't they just release this fully so we can make sure that this is the same person that we see walking across with a limp, right?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That footage which was provided by TMZ.
unidentified		Also, you will notice that nowhere in this indictment as we go on are they going to mention which Governor Cox spoke about.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Like first, he came in a different outfit.
unidentified		Remember, Governor Cox said he was wearing the light shorts and maroon shirts.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The implication here being that maybe he came to come scout things to check things out.
unidentified		At first, this is him, but then he comes back in the black outfit.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This is missing from the indictment, and I'm wondering why.
unidentified		What is the explanation for that?
		That would be a part of it if you were scouting the shooting.
		Now they're just like, let's jump into the guy that is wearing black, and we're not going to give you footage.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We're going to tell you that this is him.
unidentified		And you can assume that he slowly walked up this staircase and was obscuring his face from view.
		Okay.
		Then it tells us that a camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the roof.
		He gets into the shooting position.
		And then immediately after the shot was fired, we know that he runs across carrying an item whose shape is consistent with a rifle.
		The suspect is then seen climbing down the roof.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He appears to drop the item that he was carrying as he hits the ground in a controlled fall.
unidentified		He then picks up the item and runs toward the northeast end of the campus.
unidentified		It tells us that's how they then expand their crime scene investigation.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They followed his escape path to the northeast end of the campus, where they believe the suspect left campus and entered a wooded area.
unidentified		In that wooded area, investigators found a bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel.
		So again, there was no disassembly.
		It's wrapped in a towel.
		Presumably, that's how he covered it while he was running.
		The rifle contained one spent round and three unspent rounds.
		This is consistent with the facts officers observed at the time of and immediately after the shooting.
		There were no shell casings that were found on the roof suggesting a bolt action rather than an auto-loading weapon and only a single round was fired.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Then they tell us what was actually inscribed.
		And these are essentially memes.
		Hey, fascist, catch, says one on one cartridge.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You've got notices bulge.
unidentified		What's this?
		On another cartridge.
		Oh, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow Chow on a third cartridge.
		And on the fourth cartridge, it reads, If you read this, you are gay, L-M-A-O.
		Okay, they detailed that.
		The rifle, the ammunition rounds, and the towel were then sent for forensic processing, and that the DNA was consistent with Robinson that was found on the trigger and other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge casing, and two of the three unfired cartridges and the towel.
		Okay, they were able to immediately locate the shooter.
		They were unable, pardon me, to immediately locate the shooter.
		So that's when they published the photos of the shooter from their surveillance and they asked for the public's help.
		Now we're going to get a little bit more of a narrative change, right?
		They tell us that as they continued their investigation on September 11th, Tyler James Robinson then walked in to the Washington County Sheriff's Office and he is accompanied by his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.
		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now again, he didn't confess yet, but he's here to turn himself in.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Robinson's mother stated the following to police that on September 11th, the day after the shooting, she saw the photo of the shooter in the news and thought that the shooter looked like her son.
unidentified		She then called her son and asked him where he was.
		He said he was at homesick and that he had also been homesick on yesterday, September 10th, when the shooting occurred.
		Robinson's mother expressed concern to her husband that the suspected shooter looks like Robinson.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So she's calling her husband and she's going, Hey, this kind of looks like our son.
unidentified		And then his father agrees that that looks like their son.
		So Robinson's mother explained to the officers that over the last year or so, Robinson had become increasingly more political.
		He had started to lean more left.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He was becoming more pro-gay and more trans-right oriented.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That Robinson began to date his roommate, which is a biological male who was transitioning genders.
unidentified		We're going to get to him in a second.
		This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very difficult, different, pardon me, political views.
		In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding this event at UVU, which Robinson said was a stupid venue for the event.
		Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate.
		Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed him that surveillance image of a suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son.
		He also believed that the rifle that the police had suspected the shooter had used matched a rifle that was given to his son as a gift.
		And as a result, he then contacts his son and asks him to send a photo of the rifle that was gifted to him.
		Robinson did not respond to that.
		However, Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Tyler at that moment, and Tyler implied that he planned to take his own life.
		Now, his parents were then able to convince him to meet at their home, not to do that.
		And as they discussed the situation, Robinson implied, implied is the word they use here, that he was the shooter and stated that he could not go to jail and that he just wanted to end things.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		When asked why he did it, Robinson explained that there is too much evil and that this guy, Charlie Kirk, spreads too much hate.
unidentified		They talked about Robinson turning himself in and they convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who happens to be a retired deputy sheriff.
		And at Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and they convinced Robinson to turn himself in.
		Okay.
		Again, he did not confess, but he turned himself in.
		And they then detail that they tell him, Hey, look, also bring in any clothes that you used because you don't want the police to then have to search the property of your parents.
		So anything that you use, you need to bring over.
		Okay.
		That doesn't exactly make sense because Robinson is living with his trans boyfriend, but that is apparently Robinson replies that at that moment that he had disposed of clothes in different areas.
		So they're looking into that.
		Okay.
		Now we're getting to the roommate portion, which is very interesting to me.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And I will tell you why.
unidentified		It's interesting to me because I obviously have had a lot of tips.
unidentified		I've had a lot of conversations with people that knew both of these individuals.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		When I say both, I'm referring to Tyler Robinson, who is being indicted, but also his boyfriend who has not been indicted.
unidentified		And the conversation that I am having is that Tyler's classmates and the neighborhood are very shocked that Tyler would be first and foremost involved in this at all.
unidentified		So right away, they told me, no way, this guy is wearing the same outfit from 33 hours ago because he was very tidy.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He sort of kept to himself, but he worked with his hands and he was kind of a good person.
unidentified		There were no signs here.
		Like this seems to, this appears to them to be like this is a very good family and that there were certain narratives out there that didn't make sense to them.
		Like they could not compute them as it pertained to Tyler Robinson.
		Okay.
		And they're saying there's no way if like they're not saying he couldn't have been involved.
		I very, very much want to be clear.
		I believe that Tyler Robinson was involved on the basis of this evidence, but rather that there's no way he could have acted alone, that this had to be a part of some wider plot.
		Okay.
		And when I'm speaking to people that are close to this situation, what they are shocked about is the fact that only Tyler could have been arrested because it's a different perspective when it comes to Tyler's trans boyfriend.
		Okay.
		Tyler's trans boyfriend's name is Lance Twiggs.
		And they are very shocked.
		In fact, the people that are intimately involved in the situation are saying, we thought he was definitely going to get charged because apparently, and again, I'm going to say this, allegedly, he had been arrested or taken in on the same day.
		Now, the media narrative is that that guy was being really cooperative, he had nothing to do with anything.
		Okay, we're going to go through that.
		And again, I'm going to tell you what his family is saying.
		I'm referring now to Lance Twiggs.
		Let's get to what the indictment tells us about him.
		Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The roommate told police that he had received messages from Tyler Robinson about the shooting, and he provided those messages to police.
unidentified		And then it goes on describing those messages.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		On September 10th, 2025, oh, wait, they're not telling us the time.
unidentified		I don't like that.
		I hope that's just you forgot, but I need to know exactly when you're saying these messages were sent.
		Okay.
		Because I need to fit them into my timeline.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Clearly, on the basis of what I'm about to, basis of what I'm about to read, these messages had to have gone out after Charlie Kirk was shot.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		If I'm using my context clues, my blues clues to put things together.
unidentified		But they're not clear here.
		They just say on September 10th, 2025, no time given, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said, quote, drop what you are doing and look under my keyboard.
		The roommate, Lance, then looks under his keyboard and he finds a note that states, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.
		The structure of that is weird.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.
unidentified		Okay.
		That's just structurally, that's not proper English.
		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's either I have, okay, or I had past tense.
unidentified		Again, not clear.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Police found a photograph of this note and the following text, a change then took place.
unidentified		After reading that note, the roommate texts Tyler and he says, what?
		You're joking, right?
		Robinson writes, I'm still okay, my love, but I am stuck in a rem for a little while longer yet.
		Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still.
		To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.
		I am sorry to involve you.
		The roommate replies, you weren't the one who did it, right?
		Robinson replies, I am.
		I'm sorry.
		The roommate replies, I thought they caught the person.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Robinson replies, no, they grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing.
unidentified		I had planned to grab my rifle from my draw point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle still lingering.
unidentified		The roommate says, why?
		Robinson says, why did I do it?
		The roommate says, yeah.
		Robinson says, I had enough of his hatred.
		Some hate can't be negotiated out.
		If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.
		Going to attempt to retrieve it again.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully, they have moved on.
unidentified		I haven't seen anything about them finding it.
		The roommate says, how long have you been planning this?
		Robinson says, a bit over a week, I believe.
		I can get close to it, referring to the rifle, but there is a squad car parked right by it.
		I think they already swept that spot, but I don't, I don't want to chance it.
		Robinson says, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.
		I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle.
		I don't know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.
		I worry about Prince.
		I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits.
		Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.
		I might have to abandon it and hopefully they don't find Prince.
		How the F will I explain losing it to my old man?
		Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.
		What?
		You're worried about explaining losing the rifle to your father.
		Not worried that you left the rifle and therefore it's obviously going to be found out.
		Like the only thing that you left was the right, like the murder weapon.
		This is weird.
		This is very, this chain is weird to me.
		It's weird to me that we don't know what time.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what he means.
unidentified		Where is he stuck here, guys?
		Do you have a clue here?
		I'm stuck in a rem for a little while longer.
		It shouldn't be long until I can come home.
		Is it a typo?
		I should have asked you guys.
		Okay, that's the town.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		That's the town.
		I'm stuck here for a little while longer.
		It shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still.
		So is he, is this happening during lockdown?
		He tells him to check under and to see, oh, check under quickly and see.
		And I took care of it and he's where?
		And now he's giving him an accounting of exactly what's taken place, which means if this is right after and they're still in lockdown, he's what?
		Monitoring the situation?
		Because this is going to give us a timeline.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Whether they tell us when these messages happened or not, the fact that he already knows that they grabbed some crazy old dude and that they also interrogated someone in similar clothing.
unidentified		We're going to be able to go back and plot exactly when that happened, or at least when the public was informed.
		Because this whole correspondence is very strange to me.
		It's very strange to me.
		He then is even more explicit, talk about trying to cover your tracks, but then explicitly texting everything to your lover.
		He says, the only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.
		Remember how I was engraving bullets?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The effing messages are mostly a meme.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		If I see notices bulge on Fox News, I might have a stroke.
unidentified		All right, I'm going to have to leave it.
		That really effing sucks.
		Okay, so if this is our guy, oh, we're not done.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Let's finish.
unidentified		Finish.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That really sucks.
unidentified		He's got to leave it.
		And then he says, judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine.
		I think that was a $2,000 scope.
		And then he does a winky face.
		And then he tells him, delete this exchange.
		And then Robinson says, my dad wants photos of the rifle.
		He says, grandpa wants to know who has what.
		The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He's calling me right now, not answering.
unidentified		So his dad's calling him.
		Okay.
		Well, the dad, this is interesting.
		Is this when is this text chain taking place?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Because we just heard that, you know, the dad, they figured it out the next day.
		They're making it sound like this all happened back to back.
		Is this happening over two days?
		Why not tell us this instantly so I can work it into my timeline?
		Okay.
		Are these messages day one?
		And then what?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They had no correspondence at all until he jumps right back in and says, my dad's calling me.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Where were you when your dad called you?
unidentified		You guys live together.
		Why are you texting at all?
		Why didn't this kid immediately call?
		If they're in lockdown and he needs to go back and get his rifle, right?
		This kid could have, and I'm speaking about Lance, could have contacted immediately and said, I'm getting a confession right now.
		I don't like that we are not being told the exact timestamp of these messages because, you know, my timeline demands it.
		To close loop on how this enters, again, not knowing when this happened, Robinson says, My dad wants photos of the rifle.
		He says, Grandpa wants to know who has what.
		The feds released a photo, and it's very unique.
		He's calling me right now, not answering.
		Robinson says, Well, since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty die-hard MAGA.
		Robinson says, I'm going to turn myself in willingly.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		One of my neighbors is here.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He is a deputy for the sheriff.
unidentified		Robinson says, You are all I worry about, love.
		I'm much more worried.
		The roommate says, Lance says, I'm much more worried about you.
		Robinson says, Don't talk to the media, please.
		Don't take any interviews or make any comments.
		If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent.
		How are you guys feeling about that?
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Mark is going to jump, jump on and say something.
		Go ahead, Mark.
		Yeah, he's the guy that's always in my ear.
		Not always.
		I just noticed that around some of these exchanges, there's ellipses above them.
		You're breaking up a little bit.
		What'd you say?
		Around some of these exchanges, there's ellipses above.
		If you look really closely, and it looks like they're cherry-picking certain exchanges so that my dad is super MAGA just comes out of nowhere because they picked it from a totally different part of the conversation.
		Yeah, these messages are clearly doctored, is what I would say.
		They're doctored.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now, they could decide why they're doing that.
unidentified		Tyler's being forthcoming.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We're protecting him in some capacity.
unidentified		I find that to be unacceptable.
		Okay.
		Unacceptable.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I want every single text message.
unidentified		I want time stamps.
		It is conspicuous that you are not telling us when this was sent because it sounds like it's when the campus is on lockdown and he's got to go back and got to clean up.
		And then all of a sudden, we're in the next day when his dad is getting clued in after the picture has been released.
		They're not telling us that.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And you have a right to be a little bit uncomfortable about that because I'm a lot of bit uncomfortable about that.
		We need full answers.
		Further to that point, I find it, I have found this strange from the beginning that for whatever reason, we're not hearing too much about this Lance guy other than like he's been extremely cooperative.
		He's handed over his messages.
		I'm not implying that Lance was involved.
		I am implying that it's weird that we're not hearing more about him, right?
		You're telling me he lived with the guy.
		You're telling me us now that he's been texting with the guy about his plans.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They're in love.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Is nobody interested in learning more about this character?
unidentified		Okay.
		So Tyler's people are saying Tyler's a good kid.
		People around Tyler classmates are telling me he's a good kid.
		So I go into our tips box and it turns out that actually Lance Twigg's family has tried to reach out to me over the weekend.
		Obviously, I was in a very aggrieved state and I was not prepared to even accept that Charlie Kirk was not on this earth.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I realize that they're saying to me, like, you know, we want to speak with you.
		And there's more than one family member that has reached out because we trust you and we don't trust the media.
		Good.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Good by me.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They are, it sounds to me a very good family.
unidentified		They're absolutely horrified by what has happened.
		And they are similarly perplexed by there not being more out there about the person he was living with, especially because what they told me, and I can tell you this exclusively, is that the house that Tyler Robinson was living in with Lance is owned by them.
		Tyler Robinson is paying rent to them.
		Okay.
		So they know Lance, obviously.
		And I'm going to cushion this with allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, it isn't allegedly that this is his family members telling me these details, but it is definitely allegedly what they say until we can hear both sides.
		Okay.
		I'm going to pull this up because I took notes regarding Lance because I want to know everything.
		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Lance, they told us, went to live with his relatives.
unidentified		So no longer in the house with his mother and father, again, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
unidentified		His parents kicked him out junior year of high school because he was problematic.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He just had issues.
unidentified		And at that time, when they kicked him out, that wasn't exactly what they are saying legal for them to have done that.
		But again, he went to live with relatives and he has issues.
		They say that he allegedly has a lot of issues with drinking.
		That Christmas, approximately three years ago, he almost overdosed.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He drank a bottle of vodka.
unidentified		They are telling me that they were there.
		They were president, present for this.
		And fear began to spread about whether or not even the family would be able to take care of him because of issues that he was having.
		Okay.
		He graduates high school.
		And then essentially the extended family says, you know, we can't keep you in our home because of his behavior.
		Just this past Easter Sunday, they are telling me that he showed up on drugs and he was spouting out of his mouth about political stuff.
		And at this point, they felt that he could not be around children, that they felt that he had become increasingly more radical, increasingly more dangerous, and just sort of off the rails.
		They said that they're unhappy that the media is presenting him in this like manner, like he's just this kind of like soft, soft guy or like, you know, a person that was just transitioning.
		There's like nothing problematic.
		There's no prodding.
		They don't buy the story.
		Okay.
		Lance's family is telling me that they are not buying the current story and that they feel that more people are involved.
		First and foremost, they say that a lot of information should be able to be discerned by his devices because he was, according to them, deep web.
		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This is the person that is deep on the internet.
unidentified		They said that he was quite reclusive, that he was always on his devices, that he's always on the web, and that there should be more information that comes from there.
		Okay.
		He turned 22, they told me back in August, and that he was, as I said, very into this dark web stuff.
		I asked what he was doing for work.
		Like how are they, how are, how are they even able to pay you guys rent?
		And they told me that he was doing some plumbing work with somebody else in the family.
		They told us that Tyler and him had been living together for at least a year, that they had not met Tyler despite the fact that Lance had wanted to foster that meeting, that they, the two of them, this couple, Tyler and Lance, were living in that townhome that is owned by Lance's family, and that Tyler was paying rent to Lance.
		And Lance then, of course, was forwarding that payment to them.
		Now, I had asked them about another persistent rumor that is arriving in my inbox, which people are saying who live in the neighborhood that they noticed some unusual traffic.
		And this individual family member said to me, yep, we are hearing the exact same thing, that they would prod that narrative further, but there were some unusual traffic, a lot of cars that were seen outside leading up to the shooting in the days before the shooting or the week before the shooting.
		I'll straighten out that timeline for you and get real specific because I will pin down when exactly this was happening.
		But leading up to the shooting, that there were Unusual traffic in the driveway where Tyler Robinson and Lance lived.
		Cars that were not recognized in the neighborhood.
		This was not a couple that hosted people.
		It wasn't like they were expecting them to have parties.
		And so other people are saying that that is something that struck them as odd.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		There was unusual traffic at this house in the weeks leading up to this shooting.
unidentified		And again, I will perfect that timeline of exactly when.
		And I have gone out to people for evidence of that, but there were apparently lots of different license plates and it therefore caused a little neighborhood, you know, kerfluffle because other people were not able to park their cars because there were so many people that were at this house.
		Unusual traffic.
		Again, we are prodding that narrative.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We are taking a look at everybody because if I don't feel good about what we're hearing, okay, and Lance Twigg's family doesn't feel good about what we're hearing.
unidentified		And we've got Decoy Boy who's apparently involved in some deep internet stuff, I would say is a fair way to describe it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Decoy boy, okay, George Zinn.
unidentified		There's more people involved.
		That's what I'm going to say to you guys.
		There is very clearly more people involved.
		Okay.
		This feels to me like a conspiracy.
		And am I emotionally invested in this?
		Yes.
		Somebody said something to you're on stable.
		Yeah, you know what?
		You're right.
		I have been destabilized by watching Charlie Kirk catch a bullet in his neck and then being gaslit and told nothing to see here.
		We've got people all around him that are telling little lies.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I don't like this.
unidentified		Okay.
		This doesn't feel clean to me.
		I need time stamps.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		If you're going to be transparent, be transparent.
unidentified		I'm not saying that you're being dishonest, that you have these sex messages.
		I am saying that I need them in my timeline.
		Okay.
		And it is just weird that you're giving exact times about certain things.
		And then suddenly you're like, you know what?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We don't need to be so exact anymore.
unidentified		And we can just extrapolate what we need to tell the public a certain narrative.
		Okay.
		We, the public, don't need a narrative.
		We need every single plausible detail.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		If we are ever going to regain any trust in the authorities, post-Epstein world.
unidentified		Okay.
		We're living in a post-Epstein world.
		It doesn't fly with us.
		That's not it, you guys.
		I have more to tell you.
		I am going to, I guess, at first, let's get through some ads.
		And we're going to get into Bill Ackman's.
		I don't even know how to describe it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's just wandering excuse or wandering answer to our episode yesterday, which really didn't say anything.
unidentified		And I've got more people reaching out to us, people that were at the event, people that were at TrinkPoint USA.
unidentified		We got some questions to ask, and I'm going to ask all of them because guess what?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I don't take money from donors.
unidentified		So you got a problem here.
		I don't want your money.
		I don't need your money.
		What I want and I need is the truth.
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		Telling you guys again about GNO Land, because what if smart contract platforms weren't controlled by the elite or big tech?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		What if they were instead built by and for real builders, the people like you?
unidentified		That's the question that GNO Land wanted to ask.
		And that's why they built GNO Land.
		They started with Galong, which is a language real world developers already use.
		And they built a new platform around it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's transparent.
unidentified		It's intuitive.
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		There's not some confusing system of ones and zeros.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's open source.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So you can imagine GitHub, but designed for on-chain collaboration and composability.
unidentified		Builders actually get credit for their work and they get rewarded every time their code gets used.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And that's really the value, not likes, not clout, but actual rewards.
unidentified		GNO Land rejected proof of stake, which is a system where the rich run the show.
unidentified		And they instead went with proof of authority instead, which is a DAO where contributors and not bad actors or Silicon Valley actually call the shots.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		GNO.land is open.
unidentified		It's fair.
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candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So if you are a builder and a freedom lover or you're just tired of rigged platforms, go ahead and check out GNO.land slash Candace.
unidentified		Again, that's GNO.land slash Candace.
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		Okay, so I want to be very clear here.
		No one, and I mean absolutely no one outside of my husband and Erica Kirk has the power to shut me up right now.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Two people.
unidentified		If you got to make an appeal, you got to go to them.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		That's what I just said is meant to be a dig to the donors that are making frantic calls trying to politic this situation under control because they know I'm telling the truth.
unidentified		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Frantic calls from Seth Dylan.
unidentified		Oh my God.
		The truth is that Charlie was under immense pressure and he was facing financial threats over his shifting stance on Israel, over who he was hosting over on from his podcast to people that were on stage at America Fest, Dave Smith, Tucker Carlson.
		That is reality, my friends.
		Again, I want those people to know your money means nothing to me.
		I already said no to it.
		That's why I don't care to be in those circles.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Make me persona non grata.
unidentified		I know what I did wrong.
		I looked you in your face and I said no to your money.
		Okay.
		Don't push me or I will name more names.
		What happens in the Hamptons is not going to stay in the Hamptons.
		Okay.
		Bring in our movie poster.
		I know what you did this summer.
		Okay.
		Got to add Josh Hammer's face to that poster as well because suddenly everybody's talking.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So let's buckle up for some more indisputable facts.
unidentified		Okay.
		People that were at this weekend soiree in which Aaron Wexler sent out some of the invitations to, they're confirming that Charlie was pressed.
		Now, this was a multi-day weekend, but they're all like, you know, at every layer, Charlie was facing pressure, questions from Seth Dylan.
		There's no way around that truth that they were not happy with his position, his modified position.
		I have it on first-person account that on the first day of the retreat, of which there were smaller meetings that took place, and then, like, you know, the retreat itself, Charlie presented and he explained that he felt that it was wrong that he couldn't publicly criticize Israel.
		He apparently used an example that if he tweeted, and again, we're riffing here, but something along the lines of Charlie said, if I tweeted, I think that Bibi Net and Yahoo should resign, that he would then be unfairly attacked.
		And Seth Dylan then allegedly, he pipes up and goes back and forth with him quite aggressively, saying like, yeah, because that would be anti-Semitic.
		I heard that after Charlie left, Josh Hammer was upset.
		Josh Hammer, I know for a fact, was a part of the beehive that was swarming him about people that he was having at his conferences.
		I know for a fact.
		So if you'd like to dispute that, Josh Hammer, and release your text messages and pretend that you were just what, chill and supportive and thumbs up, cool.
		I welcome you on this platform.
		Okay.
		You are allowed to literally sit next to me and say that isn't reality.
		And here's how it all went down.
		When I was the greatest supporter and I never cared about who he had, even though I got destroyed in debate by Dave Smith on his stage, I was cool with that.
		I was, I love free speech.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
unidentified		Okay.
		I am offering you my platform to do that.
		And I'm not here.
		I'm not in the business of smearing.
		Okay.
		I need answers.
		And I don't like the fact that people are telling small lies and they're misrepresenting things.
		Okay.
		Now, as I have said multiple times, what I am uncovering here is a response to what I feel was a severe misrepresentation by BB and his echo here in America, of which I would say Josh Hammer and Seth Dona are part of that echo.
		Okay.
		I am in no way attacking that narrative and associating it with the events that took place on Utah's campus, but I don't like Little Live.
		So let's attack this lead up.
		Okay.
		Let's attack this lead up because there's no reason for BB to have lied, as I've said many times.
		We talked about Bill Ackman a lot yesterday.
		I talked about Bibi Net and Yahoo, the phone call, the do you want to come to Israel kind of trip kind of thing that to me, as I've experienced, has been a lace threat when I was going off the reservation of Israel by asking perfectly sensible questions.
		I kind of got these invites from people like, once you speak to this person, you'll see things.
		Anyways, Bill Ackman responds to yesterday's episode.
		Okay.
		And I have it.
		Hold on.
		I actually printed this out.
		Let me find it.
		Okay.
		Here it is.
		It's actually right here in front of me.
		There are two ways to describe his response.
		I would describe it either as a CVS receipt.
		You buy one item.
		Next thing you know, you're holding 27 pages.
		You don't know why.
		I don't understand.
		I bought one chapstick and here we are.
		You can also describe it as like an online recipe.
		You know, something looks good.
		Lucille online recipe.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I want to make that.
unidentified		You want to know how to make latkes?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		But first, homemade chef Ackman has to tell you about how this recipe reminds him of his bubby's house and that Hanukkah that they spent in Israel and all the kids love it.
		And you're like, bro, just how many cups of shredded potato?
		Please, please, just give us the ingredients.
unidentified		This is his tweet.
		I printed his tweet out on two pages.
		Okay.
		I don't know.
		You got to bring back the word count.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This Twitter was not meant for this.
unidentified		Okay.
		And because I will not be teaching a seminar on or this semester on Ackman's 955 word response, I'll just provide you here with the highlights.
		Okay.
		So he sets it up that he's a victim of something that never happened.
		Everybody watched my episode yesterday, okay?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I never said the sentence, Bill Ackman blackmailed Charlie Kirk.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That never happened.
unidentified		But of course, he's doing the typical, like, you know, the Israeli brand thing is, I'm a victim, and let me tell you why I'm a victim.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So he just sets it up.
unidentified		And I don't know why he's putting these things in parentheses of Charlie's supposed evolving stance.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we can watch clips of that in a little bit.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's not supposed.
unidentified		And saying it's supposed doesn't make it so.
		But he then says, Candace also intimated that I quote unquote blackmailed Charlie.
		No full sentence there because I never said it.
		I never said Bill Ackman blackmailed Charlie.
		There was a file presented, do this or else, okay?
		And I wouldn't have said that.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		The first five paragraphs of this never-ending tweet are regarding how he met Charlie, which is not something that was ever in contention.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I followed Charlie Kirk on X.
		I admired him.
		I connected him.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		DMs May of this year expressed interest.
unidentified		We got on Zoom.
		We talked to this on Zoom.
		Okay.
		You just can just delete it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Nobody cares.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Not a single person cares.
unidentified		He then takes us through how the weekend event came together and he even provides us with a detailed itinerary of that event.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't, I don't know if you needed to hear the itinerary.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He gets so detailed that he even has this sentence here where he wants us to know, wants us to know that it was even quote unquote punctuated by meals.
unidentified		Oh, oh, okay.
		That's good to know that the event, those who attended it, the sessions were punctuated by meals.
		I don't care, though.
		I literally don't care at all what you ate.
		I understand there was an itinerary.
		I just don't care.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Conspicuously missing.
unidentified		Okay.
		And kind of wraps it up.
		And he's like, in short, this was not an intervention to blackmail Charlie into adopting certain views on Israel.
		It was nothing of the sort.
		Okay, buddy, I never said you blackmailed Charlie.
		I asked you if this moment happened.
		I asked you about BB Net and Yahoo.
		I asked you about whether or not there was pressure that was put on Charlie, which the attendees themselves are telling me that this happened.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So what's going on here?
unidentified		Also, it's rather conspicuous given yesterday's episode.
		And of course, he had a big timing here.
		Like, I shouldn't even respond.
		I just love billionaires, right?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They're just so full of themselves.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They are so, their arrogance matches their bank accounts.
unidentified		Like, oh, we should all be, oh, he's got billions.
		Let's just take it.
		Let's just, oh, my, well, he couldn't do anything wrong.
		Yeah, you, you need to answer basic questions, and we gave you an opportunity to do that.
		Conspicuously missing is you not addressing whether or not Charlie was offered more money and funding from BB Net and Yahoo.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Could you help us out whether or not BB Net and Yahoo invited him to Israel as a last-ditch effort to reaffirm his support for Israel?
unidentified		Or if, as I asserted and as I maintain, Charlie was being pressured throughout this event about his viewpoints on Israel and to him, he reflected that this felt like an intervention.
unidentified		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Can you answer those basic questions?
unidentified		That would be great.
		Like I said, it's interesting you didn't even mention BB Net and Yahoo at all.
		You can stand up to him.
		Does anybody want to jump in and say, no, yeah, the letter Charlie wrote him in May was just like a glowing, he just was overcome with passion and said, I love Israel.
		You guys are amazing.
		You're beautiful.
		We're going to win this thing and you're perfect and doing nothing wrong.
		Love you, BB.
		I just find that weird that no one wants to address the substance of the claims here, whether or not Maybe, maybe Bill himself has an opinion on whether BB lied by severe omission when he mentioned his last correspondences with Charlie.
		Because I feel like if Charlie says, I don't want to go to Israel, maybe don't bring up, I just invited him, I guess if it was friendly and everything was great and he was just going to come out.
		And sadly, he won't be able to make it out here.
		And regarding, you know, just the public here, if you're trying to decide what's real and what's fake, whether or not what we're telling you is real or fake, you can take Charlie in his own words.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I mean, shout out to Village Crazy Lady on X. She's a great follow.
		She just reads Bill Ackman's diatribe and says, okay, she goes to the itinerary.
		Bill Ackman just confirmed that he hosted his meeting with Charlie on August 4th and 5th.
unidentified		Here's Charlie talking to Megan Kelly the very next day on August 6th.
		Now, how do you think that meeting went down?
		Oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you that.
		That's the next day.
		Okay.
		That is the next day that Charlie sits down and vents his frustration about how he is being treated.
		Take Charlie in his own words.
		And by the way, yesterday, we only showed one portion of what Charlie said to Megan on that show.
		Go watch the full thing.
		Remember, he's with Bill.
		He's with Seth.
		He's in the hand-ins.
		Bill just confirmed that gratefully.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And then suddenly he's overcome with a need to vent about the pressure that both he and Megan are facing as people that have traditionally always supported Israel.
unidentified		Let's take Charlie in his own words.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Take a listen.
unidentified		My contention here is that some in the pro-Israel camp are so knee-jerk about calling you anti-Semitic or getting deeply offended if you say anything that doesn't align with their narrative that it undermines their own cause.
		And I have to tell you, I find it very irritating because I do feel like some of us have earned the right to have some credibility on the subject of Israel and don't want to be called those names when we have some mild pushback on some of the overreaches, whether it's, you know, whether they're winning or losing the propaganda war right now.
		And my contention is they've begun to lose it.
		And I realize it's propaganda coming at us from Hamas, but their numbers have turned here in America.
		They've turned, not so much with Republicans, a little bit with Republicans, but completely with the Democrat Party and with independents.
		They have shifted mightily from at least double digits highs to single digit lows now with it with when it comes to approval.
		And also with respect to you and I speculated about this at the turning point event, whether the possibility of Jeffrey Epstein possibly being a Mossad agent or asset or affiliated with, that's been turned around on me too, to you must be anti-Semitic.
		What the hell?
		That's such bullshit.
		The same people who say you can criticize Israel, that's fine.
		We won't call you anti-Semitic if you criticize Israel.
		Turn around immediately and say, you're anti-Semitic for even raising that.
megyn kelly ▲ ● ▼		I completely reject that.
unidentified		And I raise this as a pushback against my friends on that particular strain of the aisle to watch it because you don't want to alienate people who are openly your friends by going nuts in your crackdowns on mild pushback on anything related to Israel.
		Now you take that.
		I'm so glad you brought this up.
		And I would second that.
		Megan, I think I have a bulletproof resume showing my defense of Israel both on campus, on social media, to great, you know, let's just say mockery and scorn at times where I, because I believe it, right?
		I believe in the scriptural land rights given to Israel.
		I believe in fulfillment of prophecy.
		And again, I'm not a theologian, but I'm a Christian.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		My life was changed in Israel.
unidentified		The spiritual energy is so amazing there.
		I want them to win.
		I've said that repeatedly.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		And however, Megan, you're hitting on something very potent and important.
unidentified		Now, let me first say, I don't want to judge an entire group because there's been many people in the pro-Israel world that have been very sweet, very kind, very nuanced, very charly.
		You know, you're with us, you don't have to agree all the time.
		However, and I, and I will say this: the behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away.
		Not like we're going to be pro-Hamas, not like we're going to, but we're like, honestly, the way you are treating me is so repulsive.
		I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-Semite.
		I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath.
unidentified		I visit Israel and fight for it.
		And there's another article out in the Times of Israel today.
		I could read it on air.
charlie kirk ▲ ● ▼		I was just reading before I got on.
		Charlie, what are you doing?
		Like, why are you?
unidentified		What am I doing?
		I'm sorry.
		Like, let's just take a step back here.
		I can tell you right now, from the energy that is coming out of him, the energy that's coming out of Megan, is where I was two years ago.
		Okay.
		I've been there.
		You can't, you can't even lie to me.
		You can't even attempt to lie to me about what is pouring off of both of them.
		I was someone who spent my life, my political life, defending Israel.
		Didn't really mean anything to me.
		It seemed like a good, you know, argument on surface that we should support them.
		They're the only democracy in the middle.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now I know that that's not even true, but like, who care?
unidentified		I was just like pro-America and I wanted to focus on BLM and getting Black America better.
		And then that happened.
		I said one thing, and suddenly, like, woo, it was like they just line up.
		Like, you're just, it's like Agent Smith.
		Okay.
		It's like Agent Smith in the majors.
		How many can there be all saying the same thing?
		And then they gaslight you.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They make you think you're crazy because they're like, why don't you understand why what you did is really wrong?
unidentified		I remember this.
		I remember the tweet.
		I said, no person, nobody, no nation anywhere in the world has a right to commit genocide.
		And I was suddenly being floyed with messages from people, Dave, Dave Rubin.
		I remember this.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I was like, what did you mean by that?
unidentified		And they're texting me.
		It's like, we can help you.
		You can help me.
		What?
		I said something that made sense.
		Like, this should not offend anybody.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Nobody has genocide's not cool, right?
		Did something change?
		Where was I?
unidentified		It's when you tweeted it.
		And like, you could have been clearer.
		You should have added that Israel would never do that.
		I'm like, okay, you guys are being insane.
		This statement stands.
		I was referring to Brian Mask's remarks, but even if I wasn't and I just tweeted, genocide is always wrong, that tweet should always be right.
		I can feel that energy, okay?
		When you're not sure who your friends are, they're starting to gaslight you.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They're making you think you're going crazy for having sensible positions.
unidentified		And there's no halfway house for this.
		Okay.
		I can tell you that.
		You're either going to take being kicked in the chest, okay?
		And told get out, and then suddenly they're all communicating behind your back.
		And just where he talks about that article, something goes out, and suddenly it's like, you know, what's going on?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They're like trying to make you think you're going crazy because you're saying some sensible stuff.
unidentified		Charlie was at that moment.
unidentified		He says that he is receiving messages calling him an anti-Semite.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So how can you lie right now and dispute it?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And better question: why are you lying?
unidentified		I don't like little lies.
		I'm being contacted by a lot of people, people that are telling me that just within 48 hours before Charlie passed away, his top Jewish donors were pulling funding from him, demanding that Charlie take their name off of the building that they had donated to Turning Point.
		I guess I can figure out who that is, how many people could have donated a building.
		And then once Charlie was killed, they said, never mind, put it back on the building.
		Okay.
		Charlie himself had alluded to a tremendous loss of money coming in.
		And we'll speak about that more.
		More people are going to come out with information.
		This is all inevitable.
		Okay.
		And I'll also point you in this direction.
		You guys remember BB recently was on a PR blitz, despite the fact that he was fighting this 96,000 front war because Israel didn't do nothing.
		Okay.
		He was doing a ton of podcasts in America.
		He went on to Patrick Bett David's podcast.
		He went on to Brendan Tatum's podcast.
		He went on to the Nelk Boys podcast.
		Anybody find it weird he didn't do Charlie Kirk show?
		Homie very quickly told us that Charlie was implied that Charlie was penning love letters to him in May.
		I just love you so much.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
unidentified		They were so close.
unidentified		The boys just hits him up like, hey, I know we're fighting this 97,000 front war because we're always the victims, but do you want to just come and maybe stay at my place for the weekend here in Israel?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Like that's the vibe that BB was rushing to present to the media.
unidentified		So why didn't he do Carly Kirk's show?
		I'll leave that as a question for you guys.
		Common sense.
		Common sense.
		Okay.
		I don't like small lies.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And remember, BB started this.
unidentified		I am responding to his shamelessness, shameless misrepresentation of what Charlie was going through and what Charlie was saying.
unidentified		Because, and I want to be clear to me right now, it feels, and I'm using a corporate term here, a bit like a hostile takeover, okay?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Charlie builds the company organically on the basis of Charlie and Charlie's honest ideas.
unidentified		Suddenly, that company's got a lot of money and Charlie's honest ideas are starting to change or maybe add more color.
unidentified		And now he's getting financial threats.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		He's being called names.
unidentified		He increasingly, he's being told who and what he's allowed to speak to.
		And he's taking a stance.
		He is, he's taking a stand privately up to these people.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And then it doesn't matter anymore because Charlie's dead.
unidentified		And those very same people who were pressing him are now doing, like very quickly, trying to set in stone that, oh, Charlie essentially, the energy is Charlie died for Israel.
		He's just, he's just one of us.
		Nobody asks any more questions.
		That is literally untrue.
		And we're not going to allow it.
		Okay.
		It's just not true.
		I'm getting even more interesting tips coming from Turning Point employees.
		Something, again, that I didn't even realize until they said it.
		Do you guys notice that like Bill Ackman says this thing and drops the itinerary?
		But I've worked for Turning Point for two years.
		You've seen Turning Point in the public.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard of Turning Point doing a weekend summit and not publicizing it?
unidentified		In fact, none of those attendees, you'll remember, they were taking pictures at in the Hamptons and all dialed up.
unidentified		There was this whole ring debate happening about a girl who had gotten engaged.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I think her name was Sarah Stockton.
unidentified		And they said her ring was too small and they called her a broke BITCH.
unidentified		There was this whole drama that was happening, which we'll unpack a different day.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I'll leave today's on this tidbit.
unidentified		But those people never mentioned that they were in the Hamptons for a turning point event or for a turning point weekend, which Bill is saying.
		Why is that?
		Were they told not to say anything about being at that event?
		Because Bill Ackman is being very open about it, but they weren't open about it at that time.
		We'll leave there.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We'll just, we will leave it right there.
unidentified		Okay.
		I will just add here that the response to me asking these questions, it is like, if you want to know why everyone hates like rabid supporters of Israel, it's because they never change their tune, right?
		They're like in the comments being like, Bill Ackman, sue her.
		Take her money.
		Just take her money.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's how we win.
unidentified		This is what they always do.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They threaten to sue you.
unidentified		They threaten to smear you, to libel you.
		How dare you even ask the questions?
		This is this chick.
		I don't even know what her name is, her real name is, but like the gay who straight is how she goes.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This is like before Charlie died.
unidentified		I'm not kidding, a week before he died.
		This was her tweet to him.
		I'm going to show you how sick these people are, okay?
		Do you have that tweet, Skylar?
		Oh, okay.
		Well, she tweeted this whole thread about how Charlie Kirk had to distance himself from Tucker Carlson.
		She was one of the people creating online pressure.
		Charlie, you know, Tucker Carlson has gone a bridge too far.
		You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		And Charlie's going to ruin his company.
		Again, there's always the threat, always the threat of money.
		And yes, she happens to be Jewish.
		Okay.
		And then Charlie dies and she's like, oh my gosh, I can't.
		This person I was just saying, like, you know, kind of a light little, oh, do this or else to pray for Charlie Kirk.
		And now she's arrived at this Bill Ackman thing.
		It's just sue her.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Just sue, sue.
unidentified		That's how we win.
		We crush them economically.
		We're sick of this.
		We are all of us collectively, the globe, we're tired of you guys.
		Okay.
		It's always about money, threats, all of this stuff.
		It's ridiculous.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Do what we say or we'll ruin your life.
unidentified		We're going to call up all our friends and we'll just start writing hate pieces about you and we'll destroy you.
		Do what we say or we'll have you canceled.
		We'll have your sponsorships dropped.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Do what we say or we'll make sure that you're fired.
unidentified		We'll put pressure that you can't earn an income.
		If you're still not going to listen to us and you survive that, we're going to sue you for everything you have.
		You guys suck, okay?
		We don't care about your money.
		We are tired of it.
		This reveals who you are, not who I am.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The truth should be enough.
unidentified		I've offered him my platform.
		If there is more you'd like to say, Bill, things you'd like to clarify, again, my platform is yours, even though I know you're so highfalutin and above us.
		He even says in that tweet, by the way, he says, like, speaking about how much, you know, they just don't care about you billionaires.
		He's like, and the fact that she monetized her video, something along those lines, like talking about yesterday's episode, oh my God, how can she read ads?
		Oh, oh, are you the same Bill Ackman that made an absurd amount of money while we were in COVID lockdowns and we couldn't work?
		Are you the same Bill Ackman who like turned that into like billions?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty sure you are.
unidentified		So maybe check yourself, okay?
unidentified		I'm so sick of this.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Nobody can make money but us.
unidentified		By the way, the person that was in the Hamptons, other people at Rap the Hammers that are all talking about this, said Bill Ackman got up and gave a presentation and told them that they shouldn't own property and they should give money to like, you know, stocks.
		That's how they can be successful.
		They just want to rule over us all, don't they?
		Allegedly, that's what he said.
		Bill Ackman, you can reply.
		Did you tell people that they shouldn't own property when you gave your presentation on this now infamous meeting at the Hamptons, which wasn't publicized until I publicized it?
		I don't know.
		I'm just asking questions.
		Are we allowed to do that?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to sue me?
unidentified		You're going to crush me.
		You're going to impoverish us all.
		Why are you guys like this?
		Is my question.
		Laura Loomer in too.
		This is like how Bill, I guess, wins the argument.
		They're like, Bill gave money.
		It's all about money all the time.
		Bill Ackman says he's offering a million dollars to whoever information, any information he has regarding the person who assassinated Charlie Kirk.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And then she attacks me yesterday and she's like, Bill Ackman gave a million dollars, Candace.
unidentified		What did you give?
		What did you give?
		I don't know.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Two years of my effing life to Charlie, helping him build things.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Why is everything about money to you?
unidentified		Why do you think having money makes you a decent human being?
		Why are you so soulless?
		What is wrong with you?
		Do you understand that spiritually?
		Something is wrong with you.
		If your instinct, just so you guys know, regular people don't behave like that.
		I want you to know, because you may, I don't think you recognize your own flaws.
		When regular people have like a little tiff, they just have a conversation.
		Okay.
		So like if I have a disagreement and I say it's not what I did, I don't say I'm going to destroy your life.
		Okay.
		I'm going to make you lose your job and I'm going to sue you.
		Okay.
		That's a demonic force that lives in you.
		But you have to know.
		Your money instinct is not right.
		It's crazy.
		And everyone's paying attention to it.
		Answer the questions and I will publish the truth.
		The end.
		Read a couple of ads.
		I said I wasn't going to freak out today.
		I did.
		Freaked out a little bit right there at the end.
		I'm trying to calm down.
		First can remind you guys about Tax Network USA.
		I know, because I know I shouldn't read these ads because Bill Ackman is like, how could you put ads in here?
		I can hedge against COVID and make billions, but you, little girl, don't read an ad.
		Okay, I'm freaking out again.
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		You will take a note of who is standing by Charlie in this terrible moment.
		And you will also notice who is silent or who is cheering it.
		There are many businesses who refuse to say a word about this cruel act.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's not left or right.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Again, this is about humanity.
unidentified		The silence speaks volumes.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Now is the time to really step up and support the companies that are willing to be bold because when they stand with us, they give us the courage to be fearless.
unidentified		And Nimi Skincare is one such company.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		They have always been unapologetic about their values.
unidentified		They love God.
		They love family and they love country.
		Their products are made here in the USA and they are committed to supporting the values of our movement.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		So right now, Nimi is matching every donation that is made to Turning Point USA.
unidentified		You can visit tpusa.com, make your donation, and forward the receipt to faith at nimiskincare.com.
		Again, that's faith at nimiskincare.com and Nimi will match it dollar for dollar.
		Stop waiting to support those businesses.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You can go ahead and head to nimeskincare.com today and start your routine.
unidentified		Don't put it off.
unidentified		Just do it.
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candace owens ▲ ● ▼		In moments like these, we need to be crystal clear about who has our back.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This is not left or right.
unidentified		It's good versus evil.
		And Nimi Skincare is standing boldly with us.
		Before we get to comments, I'm also going to tell you guys about American financing because the cost of everything is still out of control.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Many of us are relying on credit cards to cover essentials.
unidentified		If that debt is piling up, you're not alone.
		Americans collectively owe $1 trillion in credit card debt.
		You might have considered reaching out to my friends in American Financing, but hesitated because you don't want to give up your low mortgage rate.
		Well, there's good news.
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candace owens ▲ ● ▼		The number is 800-795-1210.
unidentified		Again, that's 800-795-1210 or visit AmericanFinancing.net slash Owens, AmericanFinancing.net slash Owens.
unidentified		Wow, 260,000 people watching live.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		You guys, that is amazing.
unidentified		That makes me feel so good because I know that that number represents the people who are waking up.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This is not left or right.
unidentified		I don't care.
		Do stop trying to make this a trans issue.
		That whole debate, it's low, guys.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, that is not where we need to be right now as a society.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We are fighting evil people who rule over us and impact both sides.
unidentified		Okay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's the wake-up call.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's the wake-up call we all need right now.
unidentified		And I hope that people are waking up to that fact as we look into what happened here.
		I'm going to get into some of your comments here.
		I am totally in the wrong document.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		First up, we have Anna P.
		I think this is the first one, right?
		Am I right, Anna P?
		Okay, I am in totally the wrong document.
		I don't even have the right document up.
		Give me just a second.
		No, you're good.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		It's cool.
unidentified		I can just go backwards.
unidentified		I just, for whatever reason, was looking at the timeline because I've been reading from these notes.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		First up in the comments, we have Jenna V, who writes, thank you for speaking truth.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Rest in peace, Charlie.
unidentified		Thank you so much for your support.
		Larissa writes, I pray that you are protected throughout this investigation.
		Anytime the enemy tries to lift their hand against you, they are redirected in Jesus' name.
		Let's get to the bottom of the corruption.
		We do.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		This is the case.
unidentified		This is the case.
		We're not letting this one go.
		Alma Coronado writes, sending you love from Douglas, Arizona.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I'm sending you guys love back.
		And thank you for that donation.
		Thank you to everyone who went on to my website and bought a hat, one of our CIA hats, bought a t-shirt, and supported us because they're going to sue us all.
unidentified		We're going to sue you until you agree.
		Okay.
		I've threatened to sue you and have lawyers involved.
		And we will crush you because we're really good people is what they say.
		And the rumors aren't true.
		Okay.
		Now that we all got it out of our system.
		Sue, sue, sue, sue, sue, sue, sue.
		Read some more comments.
		S61 writes, may the Lord continue to keep you strong and protected as you continue to reveal the truth.
		Thank you guys.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Keep the prayers up.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I am telling you, they help.
unidentified		Pray.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Pray every day.
unidentified		Go to church.
unidentified		I love seeing people who are like something about that moment is when you woke up and realized we are fighting real spiritual evil and you felt inclined to go to church.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Maple Leaf Girl writes, please look into Governor Cox.
		He's a corrupt rhino.
		He stole the election.
unidentified		I've gotten a lot of emails that are saying that.
		I obviously know nothing about that election.
		He stole the election to reinsert himself as the governor.
		Reach out to Phil Lyman, who ran against Cox and was chosen as the Republican candidate by the delegates, the delegates, and Eric Mutzos was the LEO and has dealt with Zinn in the past.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting tidbit.
unidentified		And I will look into all of those things.
unidentified		Mia writes, praying for your safety.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We need truth and I trust only you right now.
		Thank you.
		And especially I want to say thank you to Lance's family because I know this is not an easy time for you.
		And she was telling me and he was telling me most people that I spoke to in that family were saying that they were receiving all sorts of phone calls from people that are just looking up their last name and thinking like, oh, you must support this or whatever.
		They're like, no, like our values, irrespective of politics, these are not our values.
		We are horrified by this.
unidentified		And remember that.
		Just remember that.
		Don't harass people unless you're certain that they would possibly agree with this.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And they do not agree with this and they want answers just as much as we do.
unidentified		Chips writes, the text chain from Tyler to his boyfriend, no.
		22-year-old, no 22-year-old uses perfect grammar in a text chain, commas, and periods.
		Something about that text chain is telling me we need a little bit more about that text chain.
		Stephen Carrington writes, May God and Jesus forever have your back.
		Thank you so much, Stephen.
		Bible with Bell writes, Don't believe these texts for a second.
		He was worried about leaving evidence, but then conveniently text every detail.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		I do not want to leave any evidence other than this very elaborate text chain that tells you my exact open and closed motive and why I did this and that I acted alone and that I was told, I was totally, you are totally surprised by it.
		It feels a little fake and gay.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		I gotta tell you guys, it feels a little fake and gay.
unidentified		And there will be no fakeness and no gayness in this investigation.
		Nothing but truth.
		It's all I require from everybody.
		Mind Trix writes, casings, BS, casings are BS.
		Okay.
		You guys got to just write the full word.
		Okay.
		I'm not good at slang.
		He was intending to retrieve the gun.
		Why would he write the messages?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Text messages also looked fake.
unidentified		This whole thing is fishy.
		Nobody talks like that, especially after he murders someone.
		No way.
		Yeah, like even talking about, and this is why I inscribed this on the casings.
		Like, are you trying to get away with it or are you not trying to get away with it?
		Because this is a conflict for me and we're going to need a timeline.
		I need evidence of these text messages.
		Groovin with Christ writes, I believe the Catholic Church should honor Charlie Kirk's legacy of courage and unwavering truth by making him a saint.
		His sacrifice deserves eternal recognition.
		God bless you always, Candace.
		Well, the decision is not up to me, obviously.
		And what I do know is that irrespective, the response to this globally has been amazing.
		All of you guys, the tags that I'm seeing all over the world, the football players, the singers.
		I'm going to show you guys tomorrow, like Jamie Lee Curtis.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		She's on the left, right?
unidentified		And she was crying over this.
		Totally different politics.
		It's important to realize that this impacted people who have a soul and they have removed us from our soul and have us warring with each other.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Like we are so in our minds warring about these ideas, not realizing they are poisoning us.
unidentified		And I mean that physically, but more importantly, spiritually.
		We are fighting real demons.
		And if you were on the left, you are not my enemy.
		If you fall in for ideologies, I did too.
		Okay.
		I've come out on the other side.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We have to now meet in the middle and we need to look at the true evil that rules over us.
unidentified		Okay.
		And I think that is a great place to stop.
		Oh, we've got two more comments here.
		Lucy writes, we love you, Candace.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		We have your back yesterday, today, tomorrow, and forever.
		Thank you so much, Lucy.
		And I'm Lucy, Marion.
unidentified		And Bayan writes, love you, Candace, from Saudi Arabia.
		Thank you.
		You are my spirit animal.
		God bless you and keep you safe and your family.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for being the source of sanity.
unidentified		You are absolutely right.
		It is good versus evil.
		And I also want to say there are more of us than them.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		That was a Charlie Kirk thing.
unidentified		He said to me, What is the one thing that every slave, that every slave civilization has had since the beginning of mankind and what they have in common, pardon?
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		And the answer is that there was always more slaves than masters, which is something to consider.
candace owens ▲ ● ▼		There is more of us than there are of them.
unidentified		And I think that's why they're in a panic because we're waking up.

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