Kevin Shipp, a former CIA officer turned whistleblower, reveals how the agency recruited him at 27 despite his drug past and no formal qualifications, then exploited his skills in covert ops—including hunting moles and exposing a decade-long visa-section vulnerability later confirmed by the State Department. He details retaliation against whistleblowers via career destruction, legal threats, and NDAs, citing Epstein as a CIA-Mossad blackmail asset tied to figures like Ehud Barak and Operation Climax. Shipp links false flags—Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, 9/11—to imperialist agendas, dismissing official narratives while risking his life to expose the "shadow government," arguing transparency is the only way to dismantle its power. [Automatically generated summary]
So that's why Dana had me turn in the application.
And so they would call you and they'd wait three months to kind of let you stew, you know.
And next call I get...
Kevin Shipp, yeah, this is Mrs.
X. You have made it this far in your process.
Would you like to come in for a polygraph test?
I said, okay.
They said, come into headquarters at such a time and date, and they'll send me to an outer building.
They do these in an outer, nondiscreet outer building, on such and such a date.
So I walk in there, sit there with all these people that are in the chairs, you know, just frozen, about to take their CIA polygraph.
They called me back, and I sat down in the chair, and they wired me up with all the wires, the electrodermal plates and everything, and started asking me questions.
And of course, the first one was, Kevin, have you ever broken the law?
And I was like, okay.
And he was like, anything else?
No.
And then they get into drugs and they get into alcohol.
And later on at the end of my tour, I became a polygraph examiner.
So I knew, you know, much of it is trickery.
It's not as much, the instrument is really important, but it's the skill of the examiner and how they ask questions and they do it in a specific way.
So they'll ask mundane questions and then they'll hit you with the big one and see how you react to the big one, you know.
So, anyway, I got out of there in two hours, which I understood later was a good thing, and got my call, you're hired, work for the CI, report to the CI headquarters such and such a date for my big briefing, and I was in.
You have no idea, a lot of times, what you're going to be doing until you get in there, you know, which I certainly didn't.
Let's see, I was 27, so I was married at the time, yes.
And of course, my wife couldn't know anything about it.
Once I got in there and found out what I was going to do, You go through your first briefing, I wound up being one of these briefers, but everybody's sitting out there from secretaries to military liaison generals in this big audience and then they tell them what the CIA is all about and everybody goes, whoa!
And they tell you how special you are and you're the 2% and that's when they start working on you.
Nobody's like you, you know, and we chose you because you're special.
And that's part of how they mess with your mind and get you to kind of be super loyal and test you to see what you'll do later.
So anyway, I went through that.
Then I started in what was called their Security Protective Service.
They had just instituted a brand new program where they would train federal law enforcement officers at FLETC, the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.
And the CIA would bring them in, get them a clearance.
They would be licensed federal police officers, and then they would do secret things for the police inside CIA headquarters and buildings.
The Security Protective Service protects CIA personnel and facilities.
And that means a lot, especially overseas.
If you're protecting personnel overseas, you're involved in operations, you know, and live or die, which I wound up doing.
And so within, golly, eight months, I was promoted to be an agent, a protective agent on the protective detail of William Casey when he was director of the CIA. And all the way up until he had his seizure and was taken to Georgetown University Hospital.
Then I was one of the agents in the hot seat outside of his hospital room while he was terminally ill.
And that's when Bob Woodward claims he got in, which is a fabrication because we caught him and showed him the door.
There was a mole in the CIA, and I was in a special unit searching for that mole inside the CIA. Then from there I went and became a member of what would be the CIA's version of a Tier 1.
They won't let me say the exact name of the detail.
They want me to call it an anti-terrorism assault team.
So we were sent overseas against the New People's Army terrorist group that were massacring police departments.
They were surveilling embassy people.
They killed a bunch of Marines, and we were sent over there to stop that from happening.
And so they said this is going to be a one-way mission.
So we all took out life insurance and...
I had a close call with a terminal illness when I was a kid, so I wasn't really afraid of much.
So they asked for volunteers and only a few raised their hands.
And then we went through cut after cut after cut through this intense training with the counter-assault team training and hostage training and all this stuff.
We had to qualify in five different weapon systems.
We went through really intense counterterrorism driver training.
We're in the dark.
We're driving down a track at 80 miles an hour with a car ramming us from behind, an instructor screaming obscenities right in our face, and we had to make a 90-degree turn and do it successfully, or we are off the team.
Okay, I want to stop, pause here, because you are saying all this stuff like it's super casual, and now I feel like I'm listening to the audio of a James Bond flick, okay?
Because this is, I guess, this is incredible.
So they come to you, and you've got this counterterrorism team, and they ask, who would like to volunteer for this?
You know, it's funny that the way that it works because the CIA is such a mind game that I went native for about five years and I became them out collecting human intelligence in the field through assets and trying to penetrate governments and things.
And what that does, drinking with the enemy, you know, and what that does to your moral compass is just not good.
And so for five years, I was kind of one of them, you know, although I was a Christian, I was still a Christian, but backslidden would probably be a good word.
My job was to steal, to lie, to drink with the foreigners.
And I would take mental notes as I was extracting information.
We'd get them real drunk, you know, take them out and get them to talk.
And then I'd memorize everything they said and then take coded notes when I got back to the hotel and then smuggle those back to agency and write reports.
And I got a word for that.
So I did a lot of that.
And it was dirty work.
The James Bond image...
You know, when you get out and actual case officer work, it's more snakely, I would say.
And the defining moment, which kind of opened my eyes, is I was—we were on the border of the Soviet Union.
KGB was everywhere.
We were followed.
We had a KGB officer that followed us everywhere.
We called him Boris.
And I left the hotel one day to go up to this little mall and get something to eat in the hotel.
And this lady comes up to me and she goes, Hi, sir.
Would you like to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ?
Excuse me.
And I pushed her away and I said, No, thank you.
And I took about four steps and I was like, My God, what has happened to me?
You know, I went back to the hotel room.
I was like, I can't do this anymore.
And I went back to headquarters and because I'd gotten some good human intelligence and done some good operations, I got a call from the division chief.
We want you to come and do this, collecting human intelligence in the field for the rest of your career.
I mean, this is an offer that nobody refused.
You can't refuse this.
You know, I used to come home and take a bath, go to church to take a soul bath, you know, after what I'd just done.
And I loved my kids and my family or anything.
So I told him on the phone, I said, sir, thank you so much for the offer, but I'm not interested.
I'm going to have to turn it down.
He goes, what?
Your career with this agency is over if you turn this down.
I said, well, yes, sir, if that's the case, then that's the case.
He goes, it's over for you.
Click.
He hangs up the phone.
And I'm like, okie dokie.
I walked out of my office and there's a, I can't mention his name, but he's a real well-known figure, was now with the CIA. And I walked out, my head kind of hanging.
And he comes out and puts his arm around me and he goes, and excuse my French here, but he goes, hey, Kevin.
I said, yeah, yeah, I'm feeling kind of down.
I just got really hammered.
And he goes, it's about time somebody told those bastards no.
I'm like, that helps.
So, in the context of my career, I uncovered this vulnerability.
I was put on an assignment looking at computer system connections between the CI and some of our allied intelligence agencies.
And as I was doing an investigation, I uncovered a vulnerability where it appeared that any foreign intelligence service Any terrorist organization could go into the visa section of an embassy, where they're just open computers, and go into that computer, into the system in the embassy, and identify our covert agents, chief of staffs, and by extension, their assets.
And at first I was like, my gosh, how can this be?
So I investigated further and dug and dug, and it turned out that it looked like, yes, you can do this.
So I contacted the office division and the CIA responsible.
I said, look, I think this can be done.
And they're like, we doubt it.
And I said, well, let me send my report over to you and you can give it to the division chief and let him look at it.
Just see what he thinks.
So I sent it through internal CIA mail.
I call a week later.
Did you get my report?
What report?
I said, you know, the one I sent you through internal mail.
No, we didn't get any report.
I said, okay, I'll send it again.
So I sent it again, waited a week, called them.
Okay, did you get it this time?
What report?
I'm like, what the heck is going on here?
The one I sent you?
No, we don't remember any report.
I said, all right, I'm going to come over to your office and CI headquarters and I'm going to give you the report over your desk.
So I did that.
I traveled to CI headquarters with the report, walked up into the office.
There was the division chief's executive aide.
And I said, ma'am, here's the report.
I think he needs to look at this.
And she kind of bristled and said, okay, I'll give it to him.
A week later I called.
Did the chief get a chance to read my report?
She goes, I don't remember any report.
I'm like, ma'am, the one I just handed you over your desk?
I don't remember that.
We don't remember any report.
Then I went into the CIA server and headquarters, and they had erased my report from the CIA server.
And I was like, what on earth is going on here?
You would think that they'd want to know about this and do something.
And they said, have a seat at the end of the table, sir.
And this is a GS-15 CIA official.
And way above my head, he sat down at the end of the table.
He didn't know why he was there.
He was kind of nervous.
And they said, consider this an official rebuke by the Department of State to the CIA. For putting the lives of their covert agents at risk for over 10 years and then covering it up.
Consider this an official rebuke.
And this report is going to go to the entire intelligence community, and they're all going to see what you've done.
Well, blood just drained from his face.
He got ash and white and froze and was shocked.
He was like, uh-oh, we're busted.
And they said, you can go now.
So he gets up and he walks out and I'm sitting there thinking, well, that's the end of me.
That's the end of my career.
And I remember going back to the CIA headquarters, walking through the main hallway and it was figuratively speaking, it was like I had a laser dot in my back.
I knew they were coming for me.
And eventually they wound up assigning me to a secret base where they did all kinds of dirty deeds and buried a bunch of stuff and put me in a house that they knew was badly contaminated.
The people in it before were very ill.
And ordered me and my family into this house.
And we all got terribly sick.
My son's immune system was destroyed.
The immunologist said it looked like he'd been exposed to a burst of radiation.
My wife was bedridden, bruising all of her body, bleeding from her guns.
She was in dementia, lost her short-term memory.
The CI was ordering me not to tell anybody about it.
They wouldn't allow any medical tests, any environmental tests.
Told me to keep it quiet.
They wouldn't let me contact my supervisor back in Washington.
And anyway, so it was bad.
Then they broke into our house.
You know, I was two steps ahead because I was them.
So we were out of the house and I put tape seals on all the doors and windows and a little Radio Shack voice-activated tape recorder.
You know, how technically advanced.
I put it up in the silverware container and then a little safety zone motion-activated siren while we were gone.
And we get back.
We go into the house.
All five tape seals are broken.
I turn on the tape recorder and you can hear the door opening with a master key.
Some rustling around.
You can hear the alarm go off and then shut off immediately.
They knew how to shut that thing off and you had to kind of know what to do.
And at that point, I'd filed a personal injury suit against the CIA because they were covering this thing up.
And we went back into where it looked like most of the toxins were coming in.
They were coming in from below and above.
And there were big paintbrushes of invisible chemical the CIA had broken in and painted on the ceiling.
They didn't know that I was using a black light because that's how you can find a lot of toxins with black light.
And I remember Clinton and a courageous attorney were standing and I hit it with a black light and he goes, this is like three days at the Condor.
I'm like, every time I think they're not going to do something, they do.
Anyway, that led to me coming out and becoming a whistleblower and then seeing what the CIA will do to whistleblowers and the perfected system.
That's why you never hear about CIA whistleblowers.
They have a perfected system.
Of career destruction.
If you talk about anything that you see that is criminal or illegal or whatever, to classify it, seal it, put it under the state secrets privilege, and they threatened me and my wife and kids with prison if we talked about the evidence I collected to anyone.
So I wrote from the Company of Shadows, came out, went first, not knowing, to the Washington Post, And said, I'm a former CIA officer.
I want to come out with a story.
And the reporter was like, okay, yeah.
He started calling me and over 30 days, I gave him the story, an unclassified story.
Over 30 days, he kept calling and asking questions that required classified answers.
And I wouldn't give them to him.
This went on.
Finally, I said, look, Charlie Savage at the New York Times wants this story, so if you're not going to do this and you keep this up, I'm going to give it to him.
No, please, my editor is on me to ask these questions.
Well, guess who his editor was?
Bob Woodward.
Mockingbird poster child Bob Woodward.
And it turns out that Post had gone straight to the CIA and reported my contact.
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And so many people think it was this brave thing that Bob Woodward did and was in contact with Deep Throat, but it was actually the state overthrowing Nixon.
It was.
The deep state overthrew Nixon.
They wanted him out, and then they wanted to make it seem like it was this heroic thing to the public.
That's right.
And so actually Nixon was a victim of the deep state.
That is correct.
Just like JFK was before him.
And so realizing that, that Bob Woodward, his claim to fame is, I had a source.
Yeah, your source was the CIA that was trying to radically oust a president, stage a coup, essentially.
So, you realize then at that point, and by the way, just to slow this down, I know people that watch this already know about Operation Mockingbird, but it is really one of the most crucial ones to understanding the mainstream media web.
The CIA puts this into place and quite literally just puts journalists on the CIA payroll.
They had more than 400 reporters and news anchors on CIA payroll when Operation Mockingbird started.
And now they operate two ways.
A journalist with any major news media or news periodical knows that if they do a real investigative piece on the CIA, they're done.
I mean, their editors tell them.
Many editors have a quid pro quo with the CIA not to report negatively on the CIA. And there's some major news organizations that people watch that That do not, that have that relationship.
And so if they say anything negative about the CIA, the CIA will stop feeding them stories so that they can get the first scoop and cut them off.
And that's going on right now with several well-known news organizations.
I mentioned the one with the CIA and the Pope in So, clearly going on.
Then this last administration, thank God, which is out the back door, started what's called the Trusted News Initiative, where the CIA signed an agreement, or the Associated Press, the Washington Post, of course, and all four social media companies in the Trusted News Initiative signed an agreement with the DNI and the CIA not to report To censor certain pieces of information on all social media and in their reporting.
Literally signed an agreement not to do that.
Now, when you sign a CIA agreement, especially if there's money involved, they'll put you under a non-disclosure agreement with a threat of prison if you talk about anything you're not supposed to talk about.
And that's how the CIA controls journalists.
That's why there are no whistleblowers until recently.
Because of the NDA. You come out and you talk about this, you're going to prison.
You sign a secrecy agreement as an officer, never to put anything out without the CIA approving it, which means they'll redact or black out the entire thing, which they did in my first book, and sit on it for a year or two.
It's really compelling to consider that you did what you thought was an act of service, trying to rescue the lives of other CIA servicemen, report this, hey, this must be by accident that we have this exposure to them, that people can access their information via visa application, whatever it is, and this resulted in you being poisoned.
They were just gonna poison you and your family because how dare you, and it was a direct order.
Of course, my mind is instantly running, why would they not want to deal with that, of course, if they realize that CIA servicemen can be killed?
And then of course, my mind then instantly goes to, because they kind of wanted them to get killed so they could declare an act of war against whatever target it is.
They killed somebody in the CIA, and it was a, this is their favorite, remarkable intelligence failure.
They were somehow able to access the information by accident.
We had no idea.
In reality, they wanted these people to be harmed.
Why would they not take care of something that clearly put their agents' lives at risk?
Why would they leave it there to the point of covering it up, threatening me and then taking the report off the CIA server, unless they wanted that vulnerability there to use if there was, say, a chief of station who wasn't playing by the book or they wanted to plausible denial for some a chief of station who wasn't playing by the book or they wanted to plausible denial for some operation And that's the only logical conclusion.
It's like somebody gets hurt and then you say you had no idea how this happened and now we have to retaliate because- Our guys are getting killed, or somebody high up got killed, and of course we're going to defend the homeland.
And this is something that people are asking all the time.
How many false flag attacks have there been where they allowed these remarkable security failures to happen?
From, goodness gracious, from the Vietnam War with the Gulf of Tonkin, that was a false flag.
The Vietnamese ships on the radar attacking, those were fake.
The CIA added those on the radar that they gave to Congress.
The Vietnam War was started by a false flag.
And look, 50,000 American soldiers died, and a million Vietnamese civilians died because of that.
And then you go to Iraq, the false intelligence from Iraq.
500,000 Iraqi civilians, 2,500 U.S. troops were killed, and 200,000 U.S. service personnel were badly injured because of false intelligence from the CIA. Remarkable intelligence failure.
I mean, what that Tom O'Neill uncovered and almost dedicated his whole life to it.
You know, he was flat broke and just filing FYA requests for years, realizing that the public thought that Charles Manson just hypnotized some people to do these crazy things.
But in reality, everything we know about the Manson murders, this guy was MKUltra.
He was trained by the government.
And this was an order for people to, I guess, to just end the hippie dream.
The hippies were to love rock and roll.
And leading up to the Vietnam War, LBJ, bloodthirst, Vietnam, Cambodia.
It's incredible the lengths they will go through to get the public on the side of war.
And then even in that, back in the 60s, That was pretty much Project Mockingbird because he explained how all the press then was watching, writing every minute, every detail, because they wanted to traumatize the press.
And these moments are traumatizing.
Pearl Harbor, traumatizing.
I always go back to my propaganda as a child in school, 9-11.
And now I think back at it, I'm going, oh my gosh, just the words they use.
And they don't want to think about anything but the emotion of it, right?
And so we get in line and we go...
Okay, yeah, no, we're totally okay with establishing TSA and giving up all of our freedoms in order for us to stay safe.
Gutting the Constitution, because all they're doing is showing us these images and talking about terrorism.
And I was in the classroom, and they're telling us, you know, in order to be safe, to keep you safe, and then we have to go to war, and we can't just quickly say, war in Iraq is okay, don't even ask questions, even though there were Saudis in the plane.
All it takes is something very traumatizing to happen, Operation Mockingbird in full effect, and And you can, in most instances, get the public to be persuaded to go into a war, a conflict that they know nothing about.
Yes, and in terms of 9-11, I taught criminal investigations at a college, and I did investigations, obviously, espionage investigations.
In the agency, a criminal investigation was never done on 9-11.
They automatically blamed it on terrorism.
They didn't examine any of the evidence.
As a matter of fact, they bust out all of the iron and steel on barges to China the next day.
And they made these ridiculous—you know, when they do their propaganda, it seems so stupid on its face, but they repeat it so many times— For example, well, we can prove that it was such and such hijacker that flew the plane in the building because we found his passport laying on E Street.
So, this year, we did a two-episode series on 9-11 to go backwards, because I was a child, and to show people.
We found these old clips and showed them, do you realize how much we relied to about 9-11?
Like, it's just unbelievable.
When you look back at everything they told.
Astounding.
Astounding.
And then the things that they ignored that happened that day, and the presence of the Mossad that was there, and they just never really answered the question.
And you just see this perfect hole, and then you have all these people who know, who have been active military zones, who said, I heard a missile that day.
They don't release, they classify images of the plane until like 2000, and who knows when Tom Fitton and Judicial Watch was finally able, and you can't see anything.
There's a memo where, finally, a Freedom of Information Act request was answered, and they gave a memo where the CIA said, responding to the JFK assassination, we need to respond to the conspiracy theories that are out there about this shooting.
And that's where the conspiracy theory label came from, was from that memo.
And that's an easy...
used to be an easy out to brand somebody a conspiracy theorist to avoid the facts like 9-11.
There needs to be a criminal investigation despite the destruction of evidence of 9-11.
There never was.
And in the book, Alvin Buzzy Kroengard...
Who ordered the CIIG to silence and destroy me because of what was on that base, dirty tricks on that base.
Alvin Buzzy Krongard, George Tenet's XO, came directly from Wall Street.
Alex Brown's and Sons was his corporation.
Krongard I didn't want anybody to know this, but he'd been affiliated with Wall Street, with the CIA for years.
And Tenet, and he made it look like that was his first stint, and he just brought him in from Wall Street.
Well, that wasn't true.
He was associated with the CIA for years.
And a few days before the planes hit the towers, Buzzy Krongard's company short-sold all their stock in United Airlines and American Airlines.
And in the 9-11 report, which is almost like the Warren Commission report, they didn't really want to find anything.
Or they mentioned there was some short-selling going.
Short-selling meaning you know something's going to happen, so you sell your stock for more cheap.
There were some companies that short-sold stock in the airlines, but we found nothing there.
Well, Buzzy Krongard's not mentioned, because he was the one that his company short-sold those stocks, but it stuck way down in a footnote in the 9-11 Commission report that there was this company and blah, blah, blah, blah.
This was Alex Brown and Trust, which was later bought by the Deutsche Bank.
Buzzy Krongaard came over acting like he was only making a dollar for service of his country, when in reality he made $71 million off the sale from Alex Trust and Sons to Deutsche Bank.
Before he came with the CIA, he was a multimillionaire, but he claimed that he was doing it for a country.
And it was Buzzy Krongard that went after me when I uncovered that vulnerability and ordered this CIIG, and I named the name of the IG person at the time, to personally attack me.
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And that doesn't come online for these agents.
I think about that all the time as I'm unpacking all of these things and what the CIA has been involved in.
And, you know, I was even speaking to a guy about the moon landing and how many people got killed, you know, very bizarrely died in mysterious circumstances.
And you just wonder when you see these agents, like, when does it come online?
You're not a part of them.
Like, there is a very small elite who realizes that if they make you think that you're in you're in the cool club, that you'll do anything for them.
That you'll put your lives on the line.
But to them, to the people at the very top, they'll replace you tomorrow.
They'll kill you tomorrow.
You know, you're as good as you can serve them today.
And it's just interesting to hear that, that they were sent to go destroy a CIA agent as if they weren't CIA agents.
I was a top performer.
I'm working for the wrong place if you're asking me to destroy someone that's a colleague.
Yeah, I'm very convinced that he was obviously murdered.
And somebody also was telling me, someone on the PBD podcast was telling me, there's actually a book that's super interesting, that it wasn't even him being stabbed that killed him.
Basically, one of the things that you also learn in this chaos book, which is the same, which is that there are corrupt medical examiners.
And after people die, he was telling me that there was an injection that went into his neck and that killed him instantly.
So there's always a lackey and then there's supposed to be someone that makes sure that the job gets done.
And so that's one, I haven't had time really to explore that death.
But Toronto, Toronto, I really want to look into that, but it's very likely.
You can always tell in the manner and the swiftness that they locked down investigation and want the media to move on.
Because why would the media move on so quickly From someone trying to shoot President Donald Trump if it wasn't because we were going to find who was implicated was going to be the CIA. And I also was stunned by how every network was covering that rally.
Like, every network who hates Trump was there that day and was covering it.
And I think about that now when I think about these sort of mass psychoses that is supposed to come out of these events.
If everyone's watching and he's speaking and then he gets shot on camera and then afterwards, when they already had it ready to go, they said, you know, Iran did this.
And I'm thinking, does anybody believe this nonsense that Iran had anything to do with this?
Like, this is the state trying to take out Donald Trump.
And I'm going, please, Trump, do not accept that.
They obviously have trained this kid.
And it's funny you remark on him being a brainiac because...
A lot of these, and I'm blanking on his name, and maybe one of you guys can tell me, the Connecticut shooting, the school shooting that was horrific.
Adam Lanza was another one of these brainiac kids, and the FBI gave him a visit after he was able to hack into their computers when he was really young, and they said, well, you may work for the FBI one day.
And I don't know if it's alleged or if I actually read this in a mainstream media article that he was visiting Yale often, and we know...
What was he doing?
So he gets a visit early on because he's a brainiac, next thing you know.
And you can see in his eyes, he looks drugged out of his mind.
Yeah, and these normal, average people, successful, many times intelligent people, just go out and do these horrific things with no prior warning or indicators behaviorally at all.
And then with Adam Lanzi, you look in his eyes, and some of these people's eyes, and his brain was on.
He'd been on something for quite a while.
I mean, that's pretty clear.
He'd been driven mentally insane.
And that's what Ultra was designed to do, to train criminal killers who would not remember what they did.
And to train couriers as mules who would courier information over to intelligence agencies and then forget the information that they were just given.
Also to do that, and then to do enhanced interrogations even way back then.
And the torture program was not just waterboarding, by the way.
But to do enhanced interrogations back then, and that's what MK Ultra was all about.
From Jolly West Lewis, who was, he was the chief of psychiatry at UCLA.
And denied any involvement in MK Ultra, which was developed by Dr. C.
Sidney Gottlieb, who was the madman of the program.
And Jolly Lewis, Jay West, he went by sometimes.
West claimed that he had nothing to do with MKUltra, and he would sue anybody that said that he did up until he died.
Well, Tom O'Neill.
Did a superb investigation where he went to UCLA and found his West's notes and records that UCLA hadn't gotten rid of yet, and he went through there meticulously and he found correspondence between Dr.
Sidney Gottlieb And West about MKUltra and how they were going to try to hide it and try to move it out in the field and made that connection right there.
And in Hate Ashbury, Jolly West Lewis had his MKUltra office right next to Hate Ashbury Clinic.
And they would refer people over, and some of the people that O'Neill interviewed that were involved in Hey Asbury said, oh yeah, Manson and the girls came to see Mr.
West often, all the time.
And then they go out and do this horrific murder that's beyond imagination.
And that's why I say you have to read this book, because you really have to confront how evil our government has been and therefore is, because they have not, it's not like there was some mea culpa, "We did this and we're sorry." They just keep these things up and they keep gaslighting us and they keep pretending that these people are one-off Looney Tunes.
And then you realize that there is some connection with an MKUltra program, or the government had visited them, or they were brainiacs.
The CIA, as part of MKUltra, had Operation Climax, where they would lure Johns in with drugs and prostitutes, and then this drunk CIA schmuck would sit on the opposite of a two-way mirror and take notes on what, you know, just evil, wicked stuff, and that's what they're using Epstein for,
was blackmail operations, and they got some pretty high-level people snared into that, and they haven't released the entire list of Epstein, close Epstein confidants, but, you know, Israel's former prime minister was one of them.
Mossad is like the sister of the CIA. They're joined at the hip, kind of like Siamese twins, and they use each other for intel and operations and things like that.
They are extremely close and in an extremely sensitive relationship.
Just when he was coming under scrutiny for arms dealing and connections with the CIA and being a Mossad agent, actually a double agent with Mossad and KGB, all of a sudden he's found dead floating next to his yacht, you know, and...
It's very difficult that they find out the hard way to cover up the truth because it's going to leak out somewhere.
And it's good investigative journalists and people like yourself that look for those leaks.
And then start digging, which is what we have to do because we're being lied to constantly.
Our government has not changed since Pearl Harbor.
It is the same.
The CIA is the same at the upper levels.
They're doing the same kinds of things.
I was an agent on William Casey's detail, and one of my posts was in his house, and just underneath where he was sleeping, and we were protecting him, and Comedie had a price on his head.
So we were intimately next to William Casey there and in his office and when we were driving in the motorcade.
But none of us knew that Casey had done an operation to kill a suspected imam by planning a car bomb outside the mosque and setting it on a timer.
Well, the imam that they claimed was a terrorist came out near the car bomb, but one of his patrons asked him a question.
So the imam turned around to go back, but the timer was already set.
Bomb went off, killed 64 women and girls at the girls' school, and it turned out it was the wrong imam.
Well, Casey was doing that.
We were living in his house.
We didn't know because we weren't up in that 20%.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's where the darkness is.
And when, thank God, Bobby Kennedy's in there now, and I hope the Trump administration now will start hacking away at that top 20% and in Twilight of the Shadow Government, we call, I call, me and Kent, for reform of the CIA and removal of that covert operational power that it has to conceal what it's doing through secrecy.
And I think it really is waking up the masses to this so people understand this and don't think that these events are random.
That offers protection to them in many ways, knowing that you're not going to run the same Operation Mockingbird and try to tell us that a random person tried to shoot Donald Trump.
We are going to speak about the truth.
And you always know when you really have a right to the truth because of the way the media attacks you.
And the way that I've seen the media, once I started getting interested in this and the media attacking me, I'm banned from Australia.
I'm like, I've never committed a crime in my life.
How do you get banned from a country you've never committed a crime in your life?
And that's why, look, I even put it on my conspiracy theorist.
I sell it.
I couldn't care less.
I'm like, yep, you got me.
I know that you created the term and we're going to go ahead and embrace that because we know exactly what you're up to.
Okay, so now we have to do this thing and I'm going to ask you, and by the way, we're not putting this to be fact, but like after I spoke to Judge Joe Brown about MLK and he was the judge in the case and he was then being attacked by the feds.
They shot into his house 15 times.
crazy for him to be telling the background of that.
And he was like, this is how they killed him.
The FBI killed him.
Here's the gun they used.
They kept the guns.
It was incredible to hear him say it was on the show.
But now we're going to go back in time and I'm going to ask you who you think did each of these huge events.
Okay?
The killing killing of MLK Jr.
We are told that it was this random guy who happened to have a couple of extra passports on him that day.
Alan Dulles, who coached all the CIA witnesses what to say, what not to say, and forbade some of the others from even testifying at all.
They put the fox in charge of the hen house.
I mean, come on.
And then the questions they asked, as you know, were just absolutely ridiculous.
So, yeah, I think that was a CIA hit, and they may have employed some mafia connections to carry it out, because that was their mafia assassination program.
I don't know if you've heard of Admiral Ace Lyons.
I had a radio program called the Intelligence Hour several years ago, and Ace had become a friend of mine because we were working in exposing Benghazi.
And Ace Lyons was commander of the Pacific Fleet back during that time.
And I asked Ace Lyons about Pearl Harbor, and he goes, I am still angry to this day.
And I said, why?
He goes, because they knew the attack was coming.
They knew where it was going to happen in Pearl Harbor and when.
And they told no one, and they let it happen on purpose.
As a criminal investigator, as a former CI officer, 9-11 was not the act of a bunch of poorly flight trained terrorists that executed an unbelievably meticulous piloting of those aircraft, even though it was a lot of people.
even pilots.
There's pilots for 9-11 Truth now, and they say, we could not have done that.
Experienced pilots could not have made those maneuvers.
Not possible.
And then we go to the passport issue and we go to the Tower 7, which was a controlled demolition.
And then you look at the facts that just don't add up and the facts that were left out of the 9-11 Commission report.
And then the ridiculous claims they made, the lack of airplane parts, excuse me, no landing gear, no engines, which we talked about.
So all of that put together, and the fact, I think George W. Bush blacked out, I think it was 40 pages of the 9-11 report dealing with Saudi Arabia.
And the report came out, the 9-11 Commission report came out, but those pages were blacked out and he refused to unredact them.
So what, wait a minute, this report was supposed to be for the American people on what happened and you blacked all these pages out?
What in the world?
I do not think that it was a bunch of poorly trained or untrained terrorists that did it.
I think there was another source behind it.
I think it was intentional.
And I'm going just from a criminal investigative perspective, just looking at the evidence, what evidence we have, that that was an intentional act.
And it would fall right into the MO that you and I are talking about.
Horrible event.
Because human life does not matter to the shadow government deep state, or especially the CIA. It does not matter.
They're pawns on their chessboard.
They don't care that 3,000 people were horribly killed that day.
But it achieved the aim of gutting the U.S. Constitution, bringing in the horrific Patriot Act, giving the CIA unthinkable authority for secret prisons and torture beyond waterboarding and Secret renditions and all of that, the FBI, the ability to spy on Americans, came out of the Patriot Act.
So it was the perfect national security state energizer that the Patriot Act was, and 70 of the congressmen and senators that read the Patriot Act didn't even read it.
They just signed off on it without even reading the bill.
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Yeah, I mean, you look at these things and you go backwards.
And like I said, it just follows that same MO every single time.
Horrific event.
And then yelling at everybody, don't even ask any questions of what we do next.
If you do, you're a terrorist sympathizer.
All you care about is defending the terrorism.
At least you don't care about your safety.
Exactly.
I think there was just one lone congressman who said, we absolutely should not be signing the Patriot Act.
And the media came down on him very hard.
How could you have this perspective?
3,000 Americans have been killed.
Again, that emotional conditioning to make us not even think about actually the probability that it's just an evil government that is willing to kill people to further its imperialistic aims, whatever that may be, whether it's they want oil.
They want more land.
And so I'm hopeful that people wake up to this because now that I am very aware of this pattern, now that I have confronted the evil of our government, I am deeply fearful, as you said, for Kennedy and Trump and recognizing that if you're talking about coming up against the deep state, the deep state is quite the enemy to come up against because they have killed the deep state is quite the enemy to come up against because they have killed presidents, in my view, and they will kill as many Americans as it And I think we have the right team to do it.
I think even having it be Kennedy with the history of the Kennedys and Trump and his ability to just keep going.
It's remarkable.
It is remarkable that we really do have this chance.
And at the same time, people waking up to what the mainstream media is.
I wrote it at some risk because the CIA blacked out, redacted information in my last book, From the Company of Shadows, that was unclassified, violation of Executive Order 12-356.
It's a felony.
And so I knew that in this book they were going to either redact the majority of the revelations that we write about or sit on it for a couple of years.
So I gave it to the CIA and let them have it for three months.
There's an old law that said they have to get it back to you in 30 days.
They'd never abide by that, based on constitutional freedom of speech, but they never abide by that.
So I let them sit on it for three months, and after three months, Kent Heck and Lively, my courageous co-writer, we said, all right.
They asked me for approval.
Can you send it to the publisher?
And I said, do it.
So we sent it to Skyhorse and published it before the CIA approved it.
And it's the only way I could get this out.
I took some personal risk, which I'm glad to do because it's so important.
We don't know what the CIA is going to do, whether they're going to try to take my royalties from the book, which they usually try to do.
I mean, I've already been threatened, poisoned, broken into.
It's like, whatever, you know.
But someone had to take the risk to do that finally, to expose what the CIA is.
Where can people go to support you, aside from buying the book?
Like, is there anywhere where people can go to just support you in general?
Because I just think that when you see someone like this who's actually...
Actually, it's funny that you say Skyhorse published it because when my producer first said, do you want to get this guy on, I instantly went, okay, is this going to be a limited hangout?
You know what I'm talking about?
The CIA allows people in the CIA to come out and pretend.
And then when I saw that Skyhorse was publishing, I said, oh no, this means that the publishers will not publish his book and he has to go to a more independent type of publisher because I'm dealing with that same thing.
I'm not allowed to publish my book anywhere.
Even though I had a New York Times top-selling first book, they basically go, oh no, no, no, this girl can't be published anymore.
So when I saw that, I said, oh no, this guy's the real deal.
They're obviously closing doors on him intentionally.
The Christian company, give, send, go, and we will support you because we are...
I'm like...
And it's just funny that you're Christian because I have just felt this is the Christ is King year and Christ is truth the way.
You must just follow the truth and be willing to face the consequences.
I have done that this year.
And it's just funny to hear your background story.
Oh, my life got saved because people were praying over me.
I left the CIA because a woman randomly said, do you know about Jesus Christ?
And here you are.
And you realize why you were saved when you were young and Why you were chosen to go through CIA. You weren't chosen by the CIA. I believe you were chosen by the Lord to do that.
And because he wanted you to see it up front so that you could have, you know, you would be able to speak to the public about what we are actually confronting.
And you have survived the poison.
I mean, you've got like a lot of lives going on here.
the cat yeah and so in every capacity that we can support people like this you guys I am like we've got to do it this is what the people that are just trying to tell the truth so if you do start a give send go if they try to take your royalties please email us we will be the first people to be like it and that's what I've been I'm knocked off of uh YouTube I can't make any money on YouTube and so we turn to locals and people one dollar a month the people are doing We exist because of the people.
Whether they're going to try to say, there's something classified in this book, let's get them for that.
Well, I was a classifying authority.
I know what's classified and what's not.
They can try to make that accusation.
I don't think they will, because there is the possibility that they don't want publicity for this book, because no CIA officer has ever done this before, and it does not make them look good.