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March 12, 2024 - Candace Owens
09:15
Chris Cuomo vs Me: Who Was Right?
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I sat down with Chris Cuomo.
So this was heavily promoted.
I was very excited about it.
Chris Cuomo, formerly of CNN, you know, he eventually left CNN.
Things got very tricky for him when his brother, the then-governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, got MeToo'd, as I would say.
People were coming out saying that he was sexually harassing him.
And there were a lot of changes happening at CNN.
He eventually left.
And what tends to happen after you leave CNN or MSNBC, People become a lot more rational, right?
So my perspective, and we talked about this on stage, is that Chris Cuomo was being a larger part, existed pretty much as a larger part of a chorus of leftism, right?
And if the network says this is what we're selling, then if you are a journalist on that network, you must sell it.
It was much more normal in person.
By the way, I want to say, he's also a lot taller in person.
He is very tall.
That was the first thing I noticed.
I said, you're very tall, Chris.
I actually thought you were much shorter.
I know that everyone thinks that we're shorter on TV screens, but he's very tall.
I would put him at about 6'3", which I think is quite shocking.
Anyways, we sat down, and Chris could not help being Chris.
I want to give him credit for showing up and sitting down next to me, which most people would not even do if they were on the left.
But we got to the topic of Vladimir Putin, and I'm the person that brought him up because
what we were doing was breaking down the State of the Union, and we were saying, how do you
think Americans took this?
How will Americans respond to the State of the Union address?
And the point that I was making was that, listen, the American people have now just
watched Vladimir Putin unpack the history of Russia from the 8th century.
So we are very aware of the fact that our alleged leader is not the person that's in charge.
He can barely remember what he ate for breakfast.
And Chris Cuomo did not like this.
He kind of hit the button.
Putin bad.
Orange man bad.
Putin orange man always bad.
Take a listen.
You also have to recognize that Tucker just went over and interviewed Vladimir Putin.
And this is significant because then you saw what it looks like when somebody not only has the mental faculty, I mean, irrespective of what you thought about the interview, you cannot, you are forced to acknowledge that he's an incredibly smart person.
I mean, he started in the eighth century.
I mean, I don't even think Tucker thought he was being trolled, right?
It's just, well, an eighth century and he's going through the entire history of Russia, starting from the eighth century, right?
And truly, Biden couldn't have started from yesterday at 8pm and recounted what he had done.
So there's also this contrast that's playing out.
It's a very good point you're making because as a leader of a nation, you want somebody to Be able to impose themselves.
He gave a clinic and taught the world Russian history.
Right.
If you really think about it.
Hey, this is what we're all about.
I know I gave you two hours.
I'm gonna teach the world why I'm doing what I'm doing.
This is the reason, right?
And you can love him, you can hate him, you cannot criticize him for his agenda that he came in to do.
And we did not see that yesterday.
Correct.
And by the way, how about yourself?
What did you think about it?
I think that it is not good that you're using Vladimir Putin as some type of positive attribute metaphor for a leader.
That's not what I did at all.
You're saying, well he's smart.
He is smart, so why would you not acknowledge someone smart?
What does that do?
Does that make me a Putin supporter?
You're clearly smart if you can sit down and unpack Russian history from the 8th century What do you mean?
What's the point?
The point is to say that the entire world can now see this contrast of a man who can't remember what happened two hours ago, who still thinks that his son is alive, sadly, and often brings up his son as if he's still alive.
That's not true.
What do you mean that's not true?
You don't need... See, look... What is not true, Chris?
Actually say what is not true.
He does not think... You're really going to say that Joe Biden believes that his son Beau is alive?
He has done that on camera.
He has said... He has misspoken as an old man that is talking about something that hurts him.
That's the problem.
Listen to you.
No.
Chris, Chris, Chris.
There's no reason to do this.
You're doing so great.
I'm not going to let you do this to yourself.
No, seriously, seriously, seriously.
There's no reason to do it.
There's no reason to do it.
Obviously, Vladimir Putin is intelligent.
There's no reason, it doesn't make you anything to acknowledge the fact that any person that can, for an hour straight, unpack the history of their country, starting from the 8th century, Has their mental faculties about them.
That is the only thing I've made, and I said that that contrast is now playing out in the American people's mind of, wow, okay, I don't care what I think about Vladimir Putin or Russia, right?
But the fact that they have a leader who can speak in this manner, right?
Who is able to remember these things and to communicate in this manner makes us aware of how much we are not getting out of our own leaders.
That is a very valid point.
Okay.
I get it.
I hear you.
And I completely disagree.
Okay?
Because, again, picking a metric of what's the guy's IQ is not enough for me.
First of all, he did not give you... I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why.
Because it's, what do you do with your intelligence?
You think he gave you an accurate recitation of Russian history starting in the 8th century, because Candace just said so.
She's wrong, and you're wrong.
Okay?
He did not give you an accurate recitation.
He gave you a KGB-doctored look at why it's okay that he wants to re-establish the Soviet Union.
That's what he gave.
Oh, stop it.
Listen, I'm not here to play Russia good, Russia bad, okay?
Russia has a smaller GDP than California.
So what?
So what?
They're also invading a country right now just for avocets.
You're relying on a belief that Americans are economically so unintelligible that they're going to believe that the threat that we are facing today is Russia trying to reestablish... This is like Cold War propaganda.
We gotta move on from that, okay?
But it's just as real now as it was then.
This isn't the 1960s.
And remember, in America, these people are allowed to be here right now doing things they could never do in Russia.
Never.
Nobody can speak out against Putin.
He is at over 75% in popularity polls because people know what happens if you answer differently.
They make no money.
They have no press freedoms.
When they try to exercise themselves, even on the internet, they get chased.
It's starting to sound like America today.
January 6ers are locked up for a wrong thing.
You locked up grandmas for expressing their opinions.
That is something to be concerned about.
That is something to be concerned about.
Not admired, but used as a point of fear.
They wanted to arrest Tucker Carlson for going over to speak to a leader of a country that we are allegedly not at war with.
Right, listen.
So you're also describing America while you are telling us- I am not describing America.
I'm describing what America should not be, so be careful about putting up a model of what you think has some value.
Nobody said there was a model.
That's what I'm saying.
We just said that it's very obvious that Putin can complete a sentence and that Biden can't.
Yeah, he can complete a sentence.
He can also likely murder his opponents.
And that's a function of his intelligence also because it's not guided by any sense of morality.
And that matters, too.
And Tucker making the decision...
Gonzalo Lira was just killed by Zelensky.
He's a thug.
We shouldn't be supporting Ukraine at all, not a single dollar.
Even if that were true, which neither of us know whether it is, then that's a policy argument.
Have the policy argument.
The idea of good and evil, right and wrong, cheapens it.
It cheapens it.
But you just did that.
No, I'm not doing it.
I'm doing the opposite.
I'm not triggered.
What are you, 19?
We're using 19-year-old woke language now?
That I'm triggered?
I'm not triggered.
I got my legs crossed.
It means I'm comfortable.
Okay, well, you just seemed a little triggered.
Well, I don't like setting up Putin as a model.
I didn't.
Nobody here, everyone is listening to what I said, and I'm gonna not just double down, I'm gonna triple down, quadruple down on the fact that it's very obvious to the American people Agreed.
Our leaders are extremely lackluster and that has been made even more abundantly clear
after having watched Tucker Carlson sit across from Vladimir Putin, which was heroic on his part,
because we are tired of being propagandized. We are tired of people pretending,
if you live in Russia, there's going to be so much propaganda.
There's so much propaganda here.
I agree.
recovering from the exact same thing that you accused Vladimir Putin of doing.
I agree.
Locking up people's opponents, right?
I agree.
I don't agree with locking up their opponents.
FBI agents showing up on American people's doorsteps because they attended a rally on
January 6th.
Three of my friends had FBI agents, they didn't even step foot in the Capitol, okay?
Had FBI agents show up because they wanted any person that even showed up to hear Trump
speak on January 6th to feel threatened by that because the establishment said that you
weren't allowed to support Donald Trump.
So there you have it.
Okay, what I will say is I again am very grateful that Chris Cuomo sat down and was willing
to have this discussion, which never happens, and which I believe that the American people
deserve, that we shouldn't all just stay in our cages.
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