So I have questions for lesbians about lesbians because Jojo Siwa is back in the news.
She has a podcast and it is called Jojo Siwa Now.
Now in case you don't remember who Jojo Siwa is or if you weren't a fan of Dance Moms like I was, she was the young girl, one of the young girls that was on Dance Mom.
Like, super talented, but she has a very big personality.
Wasn't necessarily the best dancer, but it didn't matter.
You always wanted to see her on camera because she was just so bubbly and so fun.
And that it totally makes sense that leaving Dance Moms, she went to YouTube and she positively exploded.
She had a show or a vlog.
It was called It's JoJo Siwa, and the kids loved it.
It was focused on children.
She wore a big bow.
She even created music thereafter.
I mean, everybody just loved her.
And then, just a part of the timeline, she came out as a lesbian.
And the thing happened, right?
So what am I talking about when I say the thing that happens?
Really very different from my own childhood.
When we had, or if I knew any people that were lesbians, it wasn't an identity.
It wasn't like something that they had to talk about and discuss all the time.
But for whatever reason, in today's climate, when somebody declares themselves to be anything other than heterosexual, it kind of becomes a part of their personality.
So I will tell you that JoJo Siwa and I did have a little back and forth because I said on a past episode that I didn't believe that she was a lesbian.
And I'll talk more about that.
She was not happy with me saying that.
The reason that I said that, just to kind of expand on that thesis, my own thesis rather, is I think it's a phase.
Because I have seen this story a lot, and so have you.
There are these young girls, they get a lot of fame, and then they kind of go through this phase.
Call it a coming-of-age phase.
I'll name just a few.
Demi Lovato!
I think she was lesbian, and then she was non-binary, and then she said she was done with this pronoun and the other pronoun, and I think she's just back now to being a woman.
And by the way, she is an engaged woman.
That's why we're allowed to say she.
Because she kind of grew up and got out of the phase of, what I would say, just wanting to get attention.
Miley Cyrus is another one.
Remember that?
She was temporarily a lesbian.
I think she said she was bisexual.
She came out to her mom when she was really young.
And then she was a lesbian after her marriage failed with Liam.
And now she is dating a man again.
She's dating a drummer.
Recently hit the red carpet with him for the Grammys.
And who could forget Lindsay Lohan?
Remember Lindsay Lohan?
Maybe you did forget her.
She was dating Samantha Ronson for a while, another young child actress that we all loved, who then became a lesbian.
Guess what?
She grew up, she got married, and she has just recently had a child.
And I think last I checked, she's looking to have another child.
And I really think that I rely a lot on my own anecdotal experiences, for better or for worse.
But in my experiences, there have only been two types of girls that are lesbians.
And I call these like the Cyndi Lauper types.
The Cyndi Lauper types, pardon.
The girls just want to have fun.
The girls that are making out with other girls at a high school party or a college party.
But they're definitely not lesbians, right?
They grow up and they go out of that phase and they go on to marry a man and have children.
And then there are girls who will grow up and they will marry women.
And what I have found, again I'm talking about my own experience, is that those tend to be the women that have been aggressed by men in some way, whether that is emotionally or physically.
They kind of go through this repulsion of men for the rest of their lives.
And you could say, as an example of this, Ellen DeGeneres has talked about sexual abuse
when she was a child in the extreme manner, or just a woman who's been married for a long
time to a man.
It's a messy ending, and then suddenly they jump into a relationship with a woman.
So my viewpoint, and why this is important, because you go, Candice, why do you talk about
culture?
Because it's relevant to our children.
It is relevant to the next generation that is coming up.
And so my viewpoint is that it becomes dangerous when what is probably just a phase is platformed
and treated as something more.
And so I'm going to show you what I mean.
This is a clip of Jojo Siwa on her podcast talking about coming out to her mother.
Take a listen.
How did I come out to my mother?
This is what I always said.
I said I will only ever come out if I have a reason to or if I met Lady Gaga.
My mom actually made my coming out to her super easy.
I was not scared to come out but afraid to come out.
Everyone kind of caught a vibe between me and this girl who ended up becoming my first girlfriend.
And my mom was like, do you like her as a friend or as more than a friend?
And I was like, more than a friend.
I don't know why, but I always had this plan that if I ever saw Lady Gaga, I was going to tell her, look, I've never told anyone this, but I think I like girls.
I think that was like always like literally 12 year old me's game plan was like Lady Gaga.
So, okay, you hear that.
She says that she came out to her mother when she was 12 years old.
12 years old!
Do we assign meaning to anything that a 12-year-old says?
I was a 12-year-old girl before.
I wouldn't assign meaning to anything that I thought.
We talked on a previous episode about the emotions that women are going through.
As they're going through puberty, that's why they say women are much more difficult when they're teenagers than boys are, right?
We know this.
We know this to be true.
Factually speaking, at 12 years old, your brain simply is not developed, right?
It's just not developed.
You may not realize it, but it is not developed.
It is a well-established fact that the brain undergoes a rewiring process that is not complete until you're approximately 25 years of age.
So you look at that clip of Jojo Siwa.
By the way, she's fun, she's bubbly, she's engaging, people are listening to her, and we already know that she has a large audience of children that hang on her every word because they fell in love with her on YouTube, right?
And so they're listening to her, and she's making this sound so fun and so easy, and she's making a cultural reference to Lady Gaga.
And they're not thinking, hey, my brain's not developed.
And they're also not recognizing that JoJo in that clip, factually speaking, her brain is not fully developed.
And so maybe they're pursuing a lesbian relationship, like I pursued a belly ring when I was in high school because Christina Aguilera made it look cool.
That's why I got a belly ring.
I pierced my whole belly because there was someone, like a JoJo Siwa, who I idolized and I was like, I just want to be like her.
I want to be like her.
Christina Aguilera in her stripped version and dirty dancing, whatever she was doing.
Dirty, I think, was the name of the song.
And I regret that, by the way.
I wish I had not gotten my belly pierced.
So I also did a lot of other stupid things.
I was telling people in the control room today that I vividly recall coming back from high school, brain still not fully developed, and thinking that I was cool if I smoked a cigarette and went to Dunkin' Donuts and got a coffee.
And by coffee, by the way, I mean a mocha frappuccino, which is legally just ice cream, okay?
And I did not like the cigarette at all, but me and my friend Alyssa sat in that car and did that because we thought that it made us look cool.
Thank goodness I didn't have a platform with my underdeveloped brain.
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Here are some other fun facts.
43.8% of lesbian women and 61.1% of bisexual women have experienced rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner.
It is a fact that the highest domestic violence statistics exist amongst the lesbian community.
A fact, and probably not one that Jojo Siwa is sharing as she goes through what I still perceive to plausibly be a phase in her life.
Also, if we're just gonna stick on the facts here, biologically speaking, lesbians cannot naturally have children, which brings us to this next clip from her podcast.
Take a listen.
One of the biggest things for me right now that I'm looking for in a relationship is somebody who is ready for kids.
I am not ready, but I'm very near ready, and I think that within the next three, say three, four, I wish I could say two, three, but I still feel like I will be a little young in two years, but I say three, four, because I feel like that's like pregnant in three, babies in four, you know what I mean?
And that is something that I care very, very much about.
So I love that clip.
I love that clip because JoJo's talking about children and wanting to have children and making that aspirational, which is actually not common in Hollywood whatsoever.
But when you piece these two clips together, right, when you have someone that is Talking about her experience, nothing wrong with that, but not thinking about the implications of her talking about her experience.
She's not trying to glamorize it, but she accidentally is glamorizing, maybe not accidentally, of being a lesbian and kids that are following that, and now she's talking about wanting children.
Is she also willing to talk to them about what that means?
If you commit to being a lesbian for the rest of your life, right, and you want to have children.
And this kind of gets into the topic of what we were talking about yesterday, where they make it seem so easy.
Oh, wait to have children till you're 50.
Doesn't matter.
We've got science now.
Oh, it's totally just pick be a lesbian because it's fun, whatever.
And science will take care of the rest if you want to have children.
Take it from me, like someone who has friends that are going through IVF, who have gone through IVF, to have a child, which would be the option here, unless you are going to go the surrogacy route, which is another option.
It's tremendously expensive.
It is tremendously emotional.
It is tremendously painful.
I mean, they have to put you on fentanyl to retrieve your eggs.
That is how painful this process is.
You're injecting yourself every single day.
Right?
To get your body to go into this ovulation process so they can go in and extract eggs from you.
This is the reality of IVF.
It's not flippant, right?
It's a very severe process.
And you go through all of this, and it is still possible that once you go through the implantation phase, whether that is in a surrogate or whether that is in your partner or whether that is inside of you, that it could all fail.
That you could have wasted all of that money, all of that pain, all of that emotionality, and you still will not have a child.
And so that is what I want to say to Jojo Siwa, is to just be conscious of the fact that there are tons of young women that are following you who similarly have underdeveloped brains, who don't understand where they are being herded.
And if you felt offended by what I said before, then I hope that I've explained it in a better way,
but also that you look to women who have lived lives similar to you
and to see where they are now.
People like Miley Cyrus, who I just mentioned.
Guess what?
She recently did an interview with Vogue.
She sat down with Vogue last year and she talked about some of the regrets that she had
growing up in the spotlight, similar to what Jojo Siwa did, and not really recognizing that her actions
and her behavior really was just the actions behavior of someone who was, yes, going through a phase.
Someone who was not yet in a fully formed adult.
Someone whose brain was not fully developed.
She said this quote, The writer of the article goes on to say, Miley's aware that her explosion into early adulthood, whether riding naked on a demolition ball in the video for Wrecking Ball, or her twerk-tastic performance at the 2013 MTV Music Video Awards, Still occupies space in public consciousness.
Then Miley says this quote, I was creating attention for myself
because I was dividing myself from a character I had played.
Anyone, when you're 20 or 21, you have more to prove.
I'm not my parents, I am who I am.
Please listen to those words, JoJo Siwa.
Please listen to those words, the many young women that follow Jojo Siwa.
It can pretty much be a phase that you are looking at.
Jojo Siwa might just be wanting to separate herself from the Big Bo phase, right?
I don't want to be a child anymore.
And so I am experimenting with different things.
It is entirely plausible that when she gets to 30, like Miley Cyrus, she may calm down and be able to reflect in that manner.
But the issue is that it's still in the public consciousness, and the people that are following you can be making permanent decisions not recognizing that it is, in fact, a phase.
Ladies and gentlemen, that is all I want to say about that, but I will button the issue by saying, JoJo Siwa, I would love to have you on the podcast.
There is no beef.
I think that it is good that you are talking, that you are able to impact so many young people.
I just hope that you are conscious of the heavy weight that your words Can carry.