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Jan. 11, 2024 - Candace Owens
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Candace Reads Megan Fox's Poetry to Matt Walsh
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Happy Thursday, everybody.
Let's start with a fact.
If we had to rank the nicest hosts at The Daily Wire from top to bottom, I certainly would not be at the top, but I want to make it clear that I also would not be at the bottom.
Today, I am going to be joined by the person who sits at the bottom.
If you need proof of my claim, here's an out-of-context clip of Matt Walsh.
The thing that really sticks out to me about his testimony is he said that fat chicks were running.
And now, you tell me, why else would a fat chick run?
Have you ever seen a fat chick run?
If they were in the habit of running, they wouldn't be fat.
So, you think, well, why would they be running?
Were they giving free samples at Cinnabon?
That'd be one reason. Cinnabon doesn't give free samples.
Okay? I've asked.
I mean, disgusting, actually.
I felt that that was actually healthist.
It's not fat-accepting whatsoever.
It was fat-phobic. But today he and I are going to discuss something else.
It's a clip that has been circulating on the internet of a woman who claims that having more than four kids is selfish.
Spoiler alert, Matt Walsh has six kids.
Is he selfish? All that plus a few surprises coming up on Candace Owens.
Matt Walsh, welcome to the Candace Owens Show.
It's good to have you here. Yeah, thanks for having me.
I just want to say my defense on the Cinnabon thing, that was really, that was simply my excuse for complaining about the fact that Cinnabon doesn't give out free samples.
That was all that was all about.
I just wanted to, that's a point of real sorrow for me, that they don't give out free samples.
Yeah. These were your words.
If you want to justify them, that's totally fine.
I brought you on today, Matt, because I saw this clip that was circulating on the internet.
And often on my show, I talk about just this sort of human beings that we are putting in
society, how we're raising kids in the home, the coddle culture that we seem to have.
And I was really struck by this clip and somewhat alarmed by a lot of the comments that followed
it.
But it is a woman, Brianna, last name Lapaglia, and Grace O'Malley on the Plan B, ha-ha, clever,
Uncut podcast.
And they were discussing how many kids people should or should not have.
And here is the clip.
We're talking about the same thing weirdly, how like how crazy it is to raise so many
kids because we were all asking each other how many kids we want.
And I was like 10 and they were like, dude, are you crazy?
You know what? And you're selfish because not a single one of those kids is going to feel loved enough than the other.
Oh, dude, yes they would. Nope, nope, nope, nope.
Maybe not in your house. Four is the max where, no.
I got too much love to give. You cannot give, nope.
You can't give equal love to 10 kids.
There's no shot.
That's pretty pessimistic. Well, it's the truth.
So you cannot give equal love if you have more than four children.
She deems that to be incredibly selfish.
And again, you have six children.
So explain to us which ones you love more or tell us why you think she's wrong.
Well, yeah, she's right. It's just basic math.
You have like 100% of love, and then you have to divide it between all the kids.
And so I guess the idea is if you have up to four, then at least each kid gets 25% of your love.
I mean, it's like I'm joking, but that is actually how they see it.
First of all, these are people who don't understand even what love is.
They don't know what they're talking about.
And also, they think of everything in terms of commodities.
And, you know, even though a lot of these people pretend to be socialists, they have this very kind of, like, mercenary view of everything.
And they look at children as commodities and say, well, you can only have so many, and then after that it's too many.
When, in fact, you know, love is...
When you actually have...
Any parent who has more than one kid knows that this is not a dilemma.
You don't have to choose between them.
You are giving of yourself totally and completely as a parent, whether you have one kid or four kids or six kids.
That's also why I always find it funny, this claim, that having too many kids is selfish.
Now, it is true that You can have a lot of kids and still be a selfish person.
So there's nothing about becoming a parent that makes you not selfish.
But if you're actually investing yourself in parenthood and you're taking it seriously, then it is a fundamentally selfless undertaking.
And again, anyone with kids knows this, that kids are...
What do kids do?
They constantly need things all the time, you know, especially when they're younger.
They are these little bundles of joy and love, but also of need and demands.
And so you're constantly giving of yourself.
So if you're doing it right, it's pretty much the least selfish thing you can do.
And also on top of that, we as parents, and those of us with more parents,
this is even more so the case, we are the ones who are doing a little thing
known as ensuring the future of the human species.
So when it comes to making sure that we have a future as a civilization, we as parents are doing all of that work.
And then these people that sit back with no kids, casting their judgment, they're doing nothing at all.
So we're carrying the entire weight on our shoulders.
Which is absolutely true.
And I was really struck, by the way, by the comments under this section.
Now, some people disagreed, obviously, and were saying exactly what you're saying.
And you do know this as a parent.
You can't even explain it.
Like, you have one child, and you're like, how can I possibly love it?
And then you have two.
And you're like, how can I possibly?
And then it just keeps going.
There's no bottom to the amount of love that you can give children.
But people that were in the comments section that were one of five children were saying,
I totally agree with this.
When I was coming up in this household, I had to watch my sister.
I had to babysit my sibling.
And essentially what they were saying, and I'll give you this person as just one example,
the Huntswoman writes, real talk.
I grew up a Mormon in an area where five kids was average, and there were a lot of eight
to 10-kid families.
The problem with having 10 kids is this.
There are only so many hours in a day and the oldest kids, especially the girls, will act as parents to the youngest kids.
I saw this cycle play out in a bunch of families.
The youngest and oldest children had vastly different childhood experiences and levels of parental attention.
This just made me laugh because it made me, I guess, understand even more why we are producing such little narcissists and brats in society.
The idea that a child should have no responsibilities to me It's what's more astounding.
Basically, what they're offering is that if you have one child, you can pour an unimaginable amount of attention into them, and this person will have no responsibilities.
Mommy and Daddy will be able to take care of absolutely everything, and then you can release them into the world to become what?
I'm one of four.
I had responsibilities.
Yes, I took care of my younger siblings.
I took care of my younger cousins.
This was something that I didn't really view as disrupting my childhood.
I kind of viewed it as, as you get older and you can take on more responsibilities in a household, you should, you know?
Yeah, I think what I said at the beginning, that these people don't really understand what love is.
This is kind of what I'm talking about.
They think that there's somehow some kind of conflict between love and responsibility.
And so if you're being given responsibility, then you're not being loved.
Which couldn't... It's not just wrong.
It couldn't be farther from the truth.
It's like the exact opposite of what is the reality when love and responsibility go hand in hand.
In fact, part of loving your child is to give them responsibilities and to help them become not just productive members of society, which ultimately they will be, hopefully, but...
Just to help them become better people, which is better for them.
And so it's true that when you have a lot of kids, then naturally the kids, you know, it's more responsibility for you as a parent.
It also ends up being more responsibility for the kids as well.
I'm one of six myself. I have six, so I know this.
But that is... That's a feature, not a bug.
This is one of the advantages of having a lot of kids.
It gives your kids the opportunity to help around the house.
No, they're not becoming parents, but they are, to some extent, taking on the responsibility and the role of caring for their younger siblings.
This is a great benefit for them.
There are a lot of disadvantages of only having one kid.
And one of the disadvantages, I think, is that now, because it's only one kid, and hopefully there are two parents, now you really have to be very careful about manufacturing opportunities for your child, your single child, to have responsibilities.
And I think a lot of Parents of only one kid don't manufacture those opportunities, and so they end up with a really spoiled kid.
But when you have a lot of kids, you don't really have to manufacture it.
It naturally comes with the life that you're living, that they're going to take on responsibilities, and hopefully that will help them become less selfish people.
And it's true that kids need attention from parents.
They want a lot of attention, and you need to give them your attention, but it is definitely possible to give a kid too much attention.
Absolutely. And that's another problem.
When you only have one kid, the risk that they receive way too much attention is very high.
Just going from—I mean, now I'm at three, but from one to two, one of the biggest things that I'm working on with my son, who is two, is he—because he had this 18 months of just being by himself where actually every toy in the playroom was his, he struggles with sharing.
And it's something that we're working on every single day.
We have to put him in time out to understand that when his little sister grabs a toy, he takes from her and he says, it's mine, it's mine, it's mine.
We didn't even, like, tell him everything was his.
It just happened to be the circumstance that it was all his for 18 months.
And so just by having a second sibling— We know that he is now going to become a better person because it's not, I tell him a million times a day, it's not all about you, bud.
You've got to learn to share.
These are good values to instill in an individual, and I think that right now the mentality that she is sharing is that children should be coddled, children should have no responsibilities, And this is exactly the reason that when I show up to a college campus and I wonder who raised these children, right?
They're brats. I mean, this is what's happening.
They're absolute brats. It is this exact mentality that is coming down the pipeline where it's like, it needs to be all about you.
You are wonderful. You should never have to share and you should have no responsibilities until maybe you're 25 and get a job and you can't figure out why you can't make any money because you have no concept of what responsibility even is.
Yeah, and the other thing, too, I mentioned just for a practical perspective is that it is true that it's important for kids to have, first of all, again, attention from their parents.
You want them to have individual one-on-one attention from their parents to the extent that that's possible.
You want them to have...
Some time to themselves as well so they can be their own person.
So you want all those things for your kid, but when you have a lot of kids, I know this, of course, from experience, that it's not that difficult to create those kinds of environments and to make sure that your kids have that as well.
I mean, I'll do things like... On the weekend, if I have to run an errand really quickly, I'll just choose one of the kids and I'll bring them with me so that we can have at least a few moments of kind of one-on-one bonding times.
You just look for little opportunities like that.
But the problem is, if you don't have a lot of kids, you only have one kid, there are things that your kid needs that it's going to be harder to create those opportunities.
Like I said, one of them is responsibility.
The other is also bond.
When your kid has siblings, now they have a bond with those siblings, and that's important for them to have as well.
Yeah, there are challenges with having a lot of kids, but I tend to think that there are many more and more significant challenges when you don't.
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Well, I'm now going to radically switch topics to something that you and I very much agree on, and I would say that it is a challenge in our society right now.
People are definitely on different sides in terms of believing in aliens.
Matt, recently there was an incident in Miami which warranted a very big police response.
You were definitely on the case on your show covering it.
I have never seen a bigger police response plausibly in my life, maybe not since 9-11.
But on the topic of aliens altogether, where are you at?
Well, I think famously it's known that I'm fully bought in.
I'm fully bought in to all of it.
And I think that, you know, the easiest thing, if you're on the doubter side of it, the easiest thing to debate for you on that side is the issue of whether or not aliens have actually visited Earth.
I think they have. In fact, they were just in Miami shopping at the mall, so we know that.
But... So that's one thing.
But then there's the kind of broader, which I think is maybe an even more interesting topic, which is whether these life forms exist at all in the universe.
And when it comes to that, I think that the...
The argument on the doubter side is incredibly flimsy.
We don't know for sure, but if you had to guess one way or another, the smartest and most educated guess is that somewhere on the trillions of planets that exist in this universe, there are probably other forms of life.
To me, it really is a common sense thing, and people think way too hard on the topic.
I always just go back to common sense, and that's where I'm at.
Do you think that we are the most intelligent being in the universe?
Clearly not, because we can't get out into the universe.
We can't get to the bottom of the ocean.
So there obviously has to be more intelligent beings, even when you consider where we were just 100 years ago compared to today.
And so I think it's the word alien that throws people off, maybe because it just relies on cultural depictions and movie screens.
Alien just means foreigner.
Do you believe that there is something foreign to this planet that could be outside in the planetary system?
Yes, obviously.
I really think it's that obvious.
And for whatever reason, people don't even want to consider it.
And I think that actually has more to do with fear than rationality, right?
Because then suddenly if you start recognizing that there are more intelligent beings out there and they don't want to be seen...
Then you can become remarkably fearful, and people prefer not to consider something that big, would be my take.
Yeah, I think that's part of it.
I also think, like, I think a lot of this comes back to the religious question that people have a hard time with.
I don't. But, you know, if you look at this, yeah, if you look at this from a purely materialistic standpoint, which is not my standpoint, I'm not a materialist.
But if you look at it from that standpoint, there's really, there's nothing to even talk about.
It's like, then it's just a number, it's just kind of a numbers game.
It's a game of odds and statistics.
And just like, statistically, it's almost...
It's inconceivable that there would be trillions of planets in the universe, and we are the only one that managed to develop life.
But people, I think, from having this conversation many times with many people, what I have encountered 90% of the time, it quickly comes down to the fact that the person I'm talking to, if they don't believe, if they're a doubter when it comes to aliens...
It's because they're, you know, Christian and they think that this creates some sort of theological quandary to imagine that there might be beings elsewhere in the universe, especially rational beings.
But I don't see it that way.
I don't think that there's nothing in the Bible that precludes it.
The Bible really is not...
The Bible isn't interested in telling us about what's happening in other galaxies.
It's just not... That's not what the Bible is trying to do.
It just leaves that an open question.
And I also think that you can make the argument from the other way, theologically, that we know that God created the universe.
He created all these many hundreds of billions of galaxies.
And God does things for reasons.
And so why are all those galaxies there?
I think it's logical to theorize that all this other stuff is in the universe because there are other beings out there that are using it.
To me, that's not only a scientific...
Conclusion, but also theologically, it makes a lot of sense to me.
Yeah, I do run into that theological problem with people when I debate it, and I say the exact same thing.
I actually think it's quite limiting to say that God created all of this, and it's just about the human beings that are on earth, right?
He's greater than that, and obviously we can't even...
Think about the things that he has created and why he has created them because we're not meant to be able to do that.
But totally agree with your take.
Matt, something really big happened culturally and I think that you might have missed it on your show.
And so I wanted to introduce this to you because it's important and it happened.
And it was a book.
It's actually a book of poetry that was written by Megan Fox.
Are you familiar with Megan Fox?
I am familiar with her.
The literary poet. Yeah, I didn't know she was a poet, but I'm familiar with her.
Well, she is a poet. I know you probably are familiar with her drinking the blood of Machine Gun Kelly and being naked on the internet and talking about how she cut a hole in her dress.
So that they could have sex wherever they wanted to have sex in her outfit.
But she's also a literary genius.
And I just wanted, because I think a lot of people think that you're a tough guy, you're not emotional.
I wanted to read you a couple of poems from her book, just to see.
Yeah, please do. Yeah, yeah, okay.
This is a great surprise. Yeah.
So this one is entitled, Why I Wish I Was Gay.
Ready? It doesn't matter how beautiful, loyal, nurturing, sexy, witty, smart, or altruistic you are.
He will still take you for granted.
Oh, that's the end of the poem.
That's it? That's the whole poem?
Yeah, that's the whole poem. Oh, I just wanted it to continue because I was so captivated by it.
Yeah, don't get captivated for too long.
It was incredible.
It was incredible. Okay, good.
I'm going to read you one more. Wait a second.
This isn't a book? She published a book?
It's a book. Yeah, there's a ton of poems here.
Okay. She obviously spent some time—I could have probably written all of these in a lunch hour, but I'm going to read you the next one because this is actually—it's deeper.
Okay, hit me. Hit me with it.
This one is called Seven, the Number of Completion.
I hate men. I hate men.
I hate men.
I hate men.
That was the poem?
That's the whole poem. Well, I just want to say, Candice, that the poem is beautiful, but I also want to commend you on your performance of it, which I thought was...
I can tell you've been practicing in the mirror.
No, I just felt, you know, when I got to the third I Hate Men, something happened for me.
I could tell. I could tell that it did.
Yeah. And, wow, I knew that she was, of course, one of the great actresses of our time, if not the greatest, but I didn't realize she was also our greatest.
I think she even gives, who's that girl?
Amanda Gorman.
She gives Amanda Gorman, the slam poet who...
I think she did a poem at Biden's inauguration.
Anyway, they're the top two, I think.
I think you should write a book of poetry.
I know that you are a published children's, a best-selling children's author, actually, and so I just wanted to kind of put this in your ear and show you that she's had remarkable success.
The book is wonderful, a book of poetry, and I'm glad to be able to share that with you.
One last thing before you go.
So there is this thing called Black Twitter, and it actually, for me, remains undefeated.
It's very funny. You find some gems in there.
And I found a tweet that Kind of shook me to my core because I realize that it's true.
You talk a lot about morality on your show.
You talk about virtue on your show.
And I would like you to respond to this tweet because I think it's on the money.
She writes, in hindsight, the wicked witch of the West have every reason to light Dorothy's ass up.
How are you going to kill my sister and steal her red bottoms, you hillbilly biatch?
And I had actually never really considered the plot line of The Wizard of Oz.
And I went back after reading this tweet and realized, yes, Dorothy landed her house on a person, killed them, and then took her Louboutins, which they might have been Louboutins, sparkly, whatever.
And then that person who was just trying to get back her sister's shoes was then called a wicked witch.
And I can't unsee it.
I think it's the first example, culturally, of trying to turn a criminal into a hero.
I mean, it started with Dorothy.
We ended up at George Floyd very quickly.
And so I would like you to consider that.
I think that's brilliant.
I wish that I... I actually did a video recently, I think it was my most important video I've ever done, where we were talking about Disney villains who were right and who have been, I think, grossly misinterpreted.
And, I mean, the classic one is Gaston, who was trying to rescue his...
Who he wanted his bride to be from this vicious beast that had kidnapped her.
The beast kills him, and then there's this weird, like, bestial relationship between Beauty and the Beast.
Anyway, I didn't even think of Wizard of Oz, but that's a really good point.
Like, you... Yeah, you landed, you killed her sister.
You killed her sister. I mean, no, you didn't just kill her.
You killed her in one of the most horrifying, can you imagine being crushed by a house?
It's so violent. And then all she thinks to do is take, she just takes the, what does she do?
She takes her shoes or something? Is that what happens?
She loots. She loots. Yeah.
She sees that there's like, you know, it's a crazy time.
No one knows what's going on. It's after a hurricane.
This is like what you see in New Orleans after a hurricane.
She loots. Is there ever a moment, I'd have to go back and watch, I haven't seen it in a while, but is there a moment where she shows any remorse or where she shows any sadness over the fact that she just killed a person?
No. No. There was no sadness.
And somehow she's hailed as a hero.
She then sent on this quest and she's got these ruby red slippers that she stole from a person that she murdered with her house in a very violent, aggressive way.
And it's very strange to me.
I'm happy that Black Twitter brought this to my attention.
And I'm okay with calling her a hillbilly biatch because now that I've realized what's going on, it is.
It's a horrible story.
And I know that you are a morally sound person and that you would recognize the horror of this story.
I do. Now I've got to go back and make that video again.
I've got to add an update to it. Please add an update to it.
Dorothy is the villain of that story.
My eyes are open to it.
Woke. Matt, thank you so much for joining us and going over these most important topics of the day.
Really appreciate it. Thank you.
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All right, guys. Now let's jump into some of your comments regarding episodes and topics past.
First and foremost, that crazy video we saw earlier this week from the Cedarside Night Doctor who said it's totally okay to be fat and that it's okay and normal to be unhealthy and that people that are telling you otherwise are...
Which is a very strange thing to hear from a doctor of internal medicine.
Jessica writes, that doctor who says it's okay to be fat should lose their license.
That's a very dangerous stance.
Wait till she gets sued when someone dies and they say, well, this doctor said it was okay.
She's probably not going to get sued, is the reality of things, is that Big Pharma kind of—if Big Pharma could be sued, there would be no Big Pharma.
Or if they could be meaningfully sued, there would be no Big Pharma.
I mean, everything, like I've explored with you guys, that they have pushed over the years, or the FDA has pushed over the years and doctors have pushed over the years, has been abhorrent.
They knew that they were harming people, but profit was always the motive.
Crucial Taunt writes, It's extremely difficult to fix at that point.
I would argue that being fat actually is an immediate problem, and when you hear people talk about what it even feels like to be fat, the difficulty that they have sleeping, that they have breathing, that they have getting around, and of course the only experience that I have in that regard is having I've been nine months pregnant three times.
And once you get to nine months pregnant, just the aches and the pains that you have, carrying around that extra weight, of course it immediately has an impact on your mental as well.
So, I think it's an immediate problem, but totally agree with you that it becomes even
harder to difficult, even more difficult to fix as time goes on.
On that same category of big pharma, we covered the fact that they are now recommending Ozempic
for adolescents, despite the fact that the FDA insert tells you all sorts of problems,
namely thyroid cancer, right at the top, a huge warning that can come from this.
Gene Simpson writes, if a person does not have diabetes, they shouldn't take this medication.
It has helped me get my type 2 diabetes under control and to lose some weight.
You are correct, though, that we should also eat as well as we can afford to and exercise
as well, which helps our hearts in addition to toning our muscles.
Thanks to this controversy, my doctor now has to submit paperwork to my insurance company
justifying how it helps me and that it is indeed being used to help control my diabetic
The thing about type 2 diabetes is that you can get rid of it if you lose weight.
And so obviously I don't know you and I don't want to be judgmental, but there are so many steps that people can take and literal actual steps that you can take.
I'm a big promoter of people getting an Apple Watch and just starting to walk.
And taking a few more steps every single day until you work yourself up to more.
So I always want to know when you have someone who is a type 2 diabetic and they are turning to something as drastic as Ozempic or Rogovi, which can cause, as we went over, gastroparesis.
I just, I would wonder and want to ask you the question is, was there nothing else you could have done before that?
Is there nothing else that you can do before that?
I think that in general what it is, is that you need, you're looking for a quicker fix.
And Ozempic is always going to just be a quick fix.
And you're going to have to figure out how to start living your life in a different manner.
We all have the ability to walk.
And yeah, that would be what I would offer back.
Dr. A.L. writes, I'm a pharmacist and every day I see patients who are desperate to get these drugs because of the hype.
There is a place for these drugs as legitimate therapy, as a piece in a larger plan.
It's always balance of benefit versus risks of adverse events.
No question there is an over-reliance on drugs and one of the most frustrating and difficult things is to get people
to make lifestyle changes the foundation of their treatment
Also, we only learn about many of a drugs side effects after they are used in the market by a number of people
over time In a way every drug is a poison and should be used at the
lowest dose for the shortest time possible Well, just what you're speaking of is the fact that yeah,
these things get FDA approval And I think it's intentional that they don't want those drugs to be used long-term before they're able to make their billions.
Bad things are allowed to happen, and then they go, oh, when we learn of these bad things, remove them from the shelves.
When it comes to Ozempic and Magovi, though, as I just said, look at the FDA inserts now.
It tells you, we gave this to mice.
And when we gave this to mice, they developed tumors.
So this can develop tumors.
This can develop a ton of other things.
Stomach paralysis. It's all already out there.
People just don't seem to care because we live in a culture where people want a quick fix.
They don't want to make an effort every single day.
And unfortunately, the thing about quick fixes is that unless you're going to commit to taking this forever and just not eating forever, and you're going to endure all of the potential consequences down the line, it's not going to be a long-term fix.
And so I again implore people to consider that before they turn to doctors and drugs.
Lastly, a couple of comments pertaining to the Epstein files, quote unquote, release,
which obviously is just the government trying to get us to stop talking about Epstein by
pretending that they're being forthcoming when they've been anything but.
Rockstar Turbos writes, wow, love the analysis.
The fact that nobody is being charged is suspicious.
I agree that we will never see the files that incriminate them.
Frankie Menzel writes, wow, so much more information.
Thank you for the clarifying yet disturbing perspective.
I love learning from you, Candace.
I live in California, and I am a Democrat.
Thank you for your content.
Thank you for, despite the fact that you are a Democrat, listening to my content because I don't think it really matters.
I think if you are a sane person at this point in society, we are recognizing that something is amiss and nothing is more amiss than what happened in terms of the Epstein case and the attempted government cover-up.
Lastly, JP writes, Candace, you nailed it.
All this hoopla and still no actual list.
They are so full of it. It's infuriating.
We will never get the actual list.
This is just a bait and switch.
And yes, it is more than infuriating.
It is disturbing. It is demented.
And there is definitely something that is happening in D.C. I think we're good to go.
That Jeffrey Epstein was an agent, not of this government, but also allegedly of the Mossad, which is what former Mossad agents came out and said.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately, that is all the time that we have for today.
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