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Oct. 31, 2023 - Candace Owens

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“I Have Nothing to Be Ashamed Of” | Candace Owens Interviews a Sex Worker

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	Alright everybody, welcome to a special episode of the podcast.
	You may have seen clips circulating of me on the internet on the whatever podcast where I got to sit down with a fleet of sex workers.
	Why are you wearing a cross on your neck?
	Are you color coordinating with your neck?
	Because I don't see a cross as religious, so...
	Okay.
	Just like you don't see a marriage as religious.
	So why are you wearing the cross?
	Because I think it's cute.
	I don't...
	You just think that the design is cute for a better term.
	I grew up that way.
	I was religious and I'm not anymore.
	If you are not going to be acceptant with your partner, if he comes to you and is like,
	hey, I really like getting pegged.
	I want you to peg me.
	I want to know. What are you going to do?
	That's your husband. I would think that that individual would probably need therapy and not the kind that you give.
	One of them actually didn't speak that much on that particular episode, but she was featured on it, and she is here to sit with me today so we can speak more at length.
	Her name is Olivia Bentley, and I am very happy to have her here.
	Olivia, thanks for being here.
	Thank you so much, Candice.
	I'm very happy to see you again.
	Yes. Thank you. So I'm just going to give a little bit of a background for people that perhaps missed the Whatever Clips or people that did not watch it.
	Essentially, the Whatever Podcast, one host named Brian, he sits down with sex workers, and typically he'll have on one or two conservatives, and he sort of just fosters a conversation.
	I was doing my book—not my book tour, my documentary tour— For Convicting a Murderer, we decided for me to jump onto the podcast.
	And I didn't really know what to expect going into it.
	But I know that before the cameras were rolling, you said to me, what's your agenda?
	Which was an interesting question to ask me before we started rolling.
	So why did you ask me that question?
	I didn't know what to expect either.
	So I knew you were there to promote your documentary as well.
	So I'm like, well, how is this conversation going to go at the table with this many gals and And then we've got Candace coming in to promote something.
	So how, you know, where will she go with it?
	You know, how will this go?
	And it went, you know, and there was a lot of talking.
	And I'm not one to get in and really interject.
	I'd rather have a one-on-one, you know, if we're going to get into something more substantive.
	So it was interesting, you know, to be on the show.
	And it was fun.
	What was your overall takeaway, I guess, of everybody sitting down and the conversations that were had?
	I think that it was certainly interesting.
	I think that when you have this many cooks in the kitchen and somebody's saying one thing and somebody's saying another, there's a little bit too much spin and there were times it was hard to keep the subject matter focused.
	So maybe perhaps I was there to maybe represent a certain focal point on the sex industry But then somebody else was there and wasn't even a sex worker, you know, and that type of thing.
	So I thought it was good entertainment.
	You know, the girls were getting at it, and I think that's what Brian wants.
	He wants to see these young'uns have a go.
	Which was interesting because I have done a lot of debates, and typically when I'm headed into a debate, it's a different me, is what I would say.
	But in this particular conversation, I actually wanted to hear what the girls had to say.
	I definitely did not have any animosity toward any of them.
	And as I said on the show, my heart really broke for that 22-year-old young girl saying that she has slept with upwards of 10 men in one night.
	I just... Just as a mom, I think that it just sort of destroyed me a bit.
	And I really did pray for her, even though she didn't ask for it.
	And you didn't say much during the particular podcast episode, but then you went on to Instagram and you kind of, not attacked me, but you definitely had some choice words, I would say, and said that I was playing to my base.
	So you wouldn't do a threesome with your husband?
	Absolutely not, because he's my husband.
	Did you even have to ask that to get the answer?
	Well, I mean, there's married couples that want to have threesomes, and some of these ladies are bi-curious.
	And you should jump into those Reddit threads, because every single time that marriage ends in divorce.
	There's so many Reddit threads out. No, they don't.
	And a lot of them actually do really well, too.
	I have regulars over five years, and they're not divorcing me.
	Do you believe atheists can get married?
	I think atheists get married because they want a tax break.
	I don't see the point in an atheist getting married.
	Why don't you just live with your partner, okay?
	Whatever it is that you're dating. You're at the stage, you said, I don't know if you live with your boyfriend or whatever it is.
	Why take the next leap? If you're wearing crosses for fun.
	I mean, if you're actually asking the question.
	I mean, because then I would just be pledging the fact that I would want to be with them forever.
	You can just be with them forever.
	So what is it that you crave when you want to get married?
	What's that next step for you? What does it mean?
	What's the difference between dating and marriage? Because it's a commitment.
	Is dating not a commitment? It's a commitment.
	But it's saying a next step.
	It's solidifying it. Okay.
	Solidifying what? Solidifying a bond between two people that love each other.
	Okay. But what is solidified?
	If you can then jump into that next commitment, which is the exact same as dating, and you can sleep with other people, and you can put topless photos on the internet, what are you getting married for?
	Pictures on Instagram to say you did it?
	I mean, I'm not sleeping with other people.
	What's the difference for you between dating and marriage?
	I just told you. It's a bond between two people.
	You're solidifying that by law.
	You're literally making it known. I want to be with this person forever.
	It isn't just a simple breakup. Which I thought, okay, I thought I was nice to you.
	I thought that I was nice to everyone that was there.
	I didn't say anything That was playing to my base in the same way that you guys were talking about what you believed in and how you live your lives.
	I was talking about what I believed in and how I lived my life without playing to anybody.
	So I was a bit surprised by your commentary.
	So that is very interesting.
	I did not know very much about you.
	I knew of you. I'm a very busy athlete.
	And then being as it may in my profession, it's all physical work.
	It's all a lot of...
	Interpersonal, you know, we're meeting with a lot of people.
	So I'm not watching a lot of television and streaming, but I did know of you.
	So people were giving me a lot of emails and saying, do you think that she's authentic?
	And I'm like, what do you mean by this?
	Do you think she's playing to her base and to the camera based on your knowledge?
	Well, let me go get a little background.
	So I did do some background work, and I would, you know, like to discuss some things to that effect.
	So people in the sex industry that are supportive of my take on it, that watched it, they felt that you too, maybe perhaps you were playing to a particular audience, and your audience is the conservative audience, the Christian audience.
	So you may very well be very convicted authentically for how you feel, but that has been some of the questions posed like, That you're a professional provocateur and that you take your take to a piece of, you know, a certain audience and base that you connect with that really loves you, your fans and supporters.
	But that's just one segment of society versus, like, everybody.
	Do you know what I mean? Yes.
	And some of the comments, they weren't...
	I mean, it was just, like, offhanded comments where, you know, when I watched your documentary...
	You did a very good job in terms of being a real investigative journalist.
	And you did your due diligence.
	And you went interview after interview, first person.
	And you laid out your story chronologically.
	And I'm like, that's really good work.
	And that's a good job.
	Well done. But the way that the whatever podcast went, there were just these offhanded comments and then personal convictions and opinions.
	But the offhanded comments to implying that that is so and that is true, it really actually creates a false narrative because none of it was really validated and substantiated.
	And we are in the game.
	We have the experience, the actual working experience.
	But also, I bring in education and a background to share with you as well.
	Well, it's interesting that you would have me pegged as a professional provocateur in those circumstances only because if you go back and you watch it, it's very obvious that the sex workers are trying to provoke me.
	You know, you had the one young girl who was saying, and she was kind of, you guys were kind of jumping off of each other, but she was like, what if your husband comes to me and he wants to get pegged?
	I mean, that's trying to be provocative.
	It's like the most extreme thing.
	The most extreme circumstances. Like, that's obviously trying to be provocative and not trying to sincerely have a conversation.
	You know, when you say to someone, you're standing across from somebody who you know is a conservative and is a Christian, and you say, well, the cross is just cute, you're trying to be provocative.
	So it was interesting to me that I felt like I was extremely level-headed, and I was responding to their provocative takes, and I did not lose my cool or lose my head.
	Yeah. If you're presenting yourself as somebody who's interested and open to having a dialogue and wanting to present your side, That you would wait until the conversation's over to then make a comment about me online when I was, as I said, very open and I think very kind to everyone, given the fact that it was pretty obvious that they were trying to provoke me and not the other way around.
	Yes and no. I think, you know, you had a little...
	You went at her and took a shot at her before she even opened up about that cross thing.
	And to me, that was just a stupid, stupid thing to talk about in the first place for me.
	You know, I mean... I don't think I took a shot at her.
	We just disagreed on the young woman who was not her, who did the video, who went online and was talking about not having kids.
	She was very defensive of that woman, obviously, because she sees herself in that young woman.
	She's in her 30s.
	She's not married and she has no kids.
	And she may have taken personally what my stance on that woman, but I wasn't talking to her.
	I didn't personalize it and say, you're this or you're that.
	So I would definitely pause and ask you to rewatch it and really see who's being provocative because I was definitely interested to learn more about, especially the 22-year-old girl that was sitting across from me, but I didn't really have an interest one way or the other.
	In the girl that I felt was intentionally being provocative and saying that she was wearing a cross to a Christian and saying that it's just cute and pretending that Jesus Christ, which by the way, historically, even if you don't have faith, Jesus Christ did exist.
	So she was saying these things to try to draw a reaction out of me and I didn't give that to her.
	But yeah, I was interested in your story and talking about You know, being a sex therapist, that also is provocative to say to married women that I sleep with your husband to make your marriages better.
	You know, I have known them as well.
	And the women as well.
	And the women as well.
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	But, I mean, we can get into, you know, how I do.
	Yeah. Yeah, let's park aside the Whatever podcast and we have you here now and we can kind of explore exactly who you are and what it is that you do and how you've come to be involved in the industry because we didn't get to really hear that on the Whatever podcast.
	So, I guess, how...
	Where do you come from?
	When did you enter into the sex industry?
	So I had been in a seven-year-long marriage.
	And my husband, we were trying to work on his drinking problem.
	Really tall, really smart guy.
	And he never, ever, ever got too drunk.
	But he always had to have that after-dinner beverage.
	And as time went on, I was very young.
	As time went on, we had children, and I'm very ambitious, and I started working on my degree.
	I was actually getting a doctorate in jurisprudence.
	And it was becoming a moral problem because as time goes with that kind of disease, maybe he's not getting drunk every night, and we don't see it.
	He's very high-functioning, but as time went on, he started to function less so well and start to show alcoholism.
	So we went through a series of counseling, And it just didn't quite work.
	So I had to make the decision, do I want my son to see this ongoingly on a daily basis?
	Or should I make a move and do something a little differently?
	So I started seeing, I was in an arrangement with a doctor, a really great man.
	We're friends to this day.
	And he said, I shouldn't tell you, but if you went over to the world famous Bunny Ranch, I may lose you, but you would do really fantastic.
	And those girls over there make a lot of money, and that could help, you know, catapult you into just being self-independent.
	And he was assisting with my bills.
	So I went ahead and I took the opportunity and I was invited to be on the HBO special.
	I did decline.
	Dennis Hoff is a promotional genius.
	I mean, he was just an animal.
	He could get up at 4 a.m.
	He'd take this interview, he'd go on this radio show, and he always kept us in the limelights.
	We were relevant. So it was very busy.
	People from all over the world, like really high astute people, you name it.
	So all I needed to do was show up and be there for no more than like 10 days.
	My sister would take care of my son.
	We lived on the same street.
	And because again, I was like a stay-at-home wife going to college.
	And then I'd get to come home after 10 days and spend the whole rest of the month with my young son, being a present mother.
	And what was really fun about it is we co-parented.
	So then my sister, who has a little girl and at the time a little boy, they would come over.
	And the school was right next door.
	So it was the best of both worlds because I didn't want to compromise.
	I didn't want to go out into the working world and be that mom that's like constantly working and never present for my son.
	So I appreciated that.
	And then you can add in, you know, I'm very athletic.
	So I do fitness competitions.
	So I was able to add in the athleticism, you know, all of the things that I do for my athletics that most people can't afford that time.
	Okay, so what I'm hearing, and there's actually, you said a lot here that I want to slowly unpack for people that are watching this.
	The first and foremost is that you had a marriage that didn't work out, right?
	Correct. You were together for seven years, you produced one kid with this individual, and you had a person that was suffering with alcoholism.
	Correct. What you haven't said and what I'd like to ask you about Is that when that marriage fell apart, did you go through some financial distress?
	Did you sense some urgency to figure out how you're going to take care of your child now that you weren't in a two-parent household and needed to figure it out as a single mom?
	Yes. Absolutely.
	I think that's really important to talk about because...
	You know, when we talk about the sex industry, and even though you might be a willing participant in it now, and you may have gotten into it and seen the upside, and you've described that upside as, well, I spent 10 days going on the ranch, and then I would come back and be able to focus on my child.
	A lot of times, people that are getting into this industry are doing this because they are financially desperate, right?
	And I think that's very important, and it's very sad, especially when you have someone who isn't an adult woman And yet is an 18-year-old girl who's coming from a trailer party existence, doesn't have stable parents and is trying to make money.
	So this is where I struggle with the glorification of the industry because most people are coming to it as a desperate measure.
	And I think that you're an example of that, even if now that's transformed for you and you enjoy what you do.
	You are an example of someone whose back was against the wall and so decided to jump into the sex industry.
	You could look at it that way.
	You know, Dennis would always say famous last words when girls would go, you know, and do something and then they'll come back.
	Girls go and they come back.
	And so it's fascinating because, you know, let's fast forward and let's just go through the run.
	I'm making all this money.
	I've paid off houses.
	I went and opened an art studio.
	Even during COVID, I've proven that I can...
	I can stack up in the white-collared arena.
	I went and became vice president of business growth at an active wealth management company during COVID. Grabbed my real estate license because of the exodus of California.
	Started doing transactions because they bombarded us during California.
	And I don't blame them.
	But then I went back.
	I keep going back, you know, and so I'll talk...
	It's a combination of things, but I think what it is, too, is that we're afforded the ability to make the amount of money that we want.
	We can take the clients that we want.
	We can do what we want.
	Oh, I don't like that type of activity you're requesting, but I could refer you.
	Oh, yes, this feels good.
	I like this person. I want to spend time with this person.
	Then, meanwhile, I can do all the things that I'm wanting to do with my health and beauty and And doing these fitness competitions and whatnot.
	Now, I went and became a teacher, and I taught kinder.
	I mean, I kind of got burnt out and went and did that for a while.
	That actually was even more damaging for me.
	And it's so sad because I wanted to put my heart and soul into the public education system, authentically so.
	And they offered me like $1,300 a month.
	They're trying to overwork me at 60 hours a week.
	When we would do volunteer things for a fundraiser, they wanted me to buy all the face paints for 500 people.
	And it was crazy. So I had to keep my regular clientele on the side to finance the lesson materials.
	Because children, we need to play with them.
	They didn't give me any lesson materials.
	There's no such thing. We have to buy it or make it.
	it.
	Right.
	So… And I hear this often when you talk to teachers about how
	they don't make a decent salary and you're seeing more and more examples in the media of
	people that were teaching and giving their life to teaching who are now running OnlyFans
	accounts and making quadruple, sometimes making a million dollars a year.
	But once again, what that highlights is that you are making a decision that is based on
	finance.
	It's not a decision that is based on morality, not a decision that is based on a desire.
	I would be willing to bet that if teaching children offered you the same salary or more
	than you make as a sex worker, you would stick with teaching.
	Perhaps. There's some other things to the education industry that I want to work out.
	But I do agree.
	Because when you are passionate about teaching, even with all the muck, the politics coming top down, some of the parents that can just be ridiculous, right?
	Once you shut the door, it's not about any of that.
	It's you and your students.
	And that's why teachers stay, but my goodness, they work these long hours.
	They tend to be very unhealthy.
	They tend to have health problems because they're not taking care of themselves.
	They're too busy taking care of everybody else but themselves.
	But I do understand the point that you are making, that if there were more options, maybe people would less gravitate towards the sex industry.
	Yeah, and going back to the 22-year-old girl that was sitting across from me is that she is making decisions for the rest of her life based on fast money that is coming in.
	And there are going to be, you know, more severe implications for her when she's older.
	She had a very, I think, young idea that, well, then I'm just going to stop being a prostitute.
	I'm just going to start dating guys, and then it's all going to be fine because I'm going to have a savings account.
	And she doesn't think it's going to impact her dating prospects in the future.
	I think she's wrong about that.
	It's to be determined. I think it's to be determined.
	And I don't know that you can necessarily project...
	Predict? Project. I think you're projecting a negative forecast.
	I can't project it because, I mean, I wasn't a sex worker, so I'm definitely not projecting anything onto her.
	I'm just looking at the common circumstance of porn stars.
	You might find an exception of a woman who got married and settled down and was happy, but as a general rule, people that are prostitutes and people that are sex workers don't skip off into the sunset and have a white picket fence.
	And I would say you're Let's just talk about you.
	Your husband, your former husband, what is the circumstance now?
	Were you a sex worker when you were in the marriage?
	No. Okay. Do you guys have any sort of a relationship now?
	No, we don't.
	And I think it's kind of, it's one of these bittersweet things where I think he was very ashamed of his behavior.
	And so he decided to run off to California And start anew.
	And so it was like, okay.
	But he wasn't, you know, I went ahead and had him sign his rights over as a father.
	And he wasn't the type of guy that would interfere.
	He just kind of was a deadbeat and fell off.
	But that was almost a blessing in disguise because I talk with a lot of folks that have their, you know, their exes that they're still trying to co-parent with.
	And just the angst and pains of dealing with them.
	You know, I don't have drama.
	Let's put it that way. We have been afforded no drama.
	It's been a calm, nice, easy-going, great energy household to raise my son in.
	Okay. And have you remarried since?
	No. By choice.
	By choice. So...
	When I was networking, I had to network with a group of fantastic ladies, female entrepreneurs, during COVID, when I did the VP of Business Growth for the Wealth Management Company, and we would talk a lot about that.
	Just this great group of ladies.
	Networking is a part of it.
	One of the things that they would impress upon me when we would talk about significant others, they always want me to go to their happy hours and whatnot.
	We had socials all week.
	They said, wait and hold.
	They'd say, wait and hold, because I would say, well, here I am doing this, you know, and now I'm not traveling as much, so I think I might make it my goal.
	I'm going to find somebody to settle down with.
	Why not? And they'd say, wait and hold.
	They said, don't force anything.
	Everything's meant for a reason.
	When their men, their spouses, their number one came out of the woodwork, they weren't even expecting it.
	And if you're one that's very spiritual, and I know that you are, perhaps that happened to you.
	I would love to hear how you met your spouse and how you knew that you felt it was different, because they have described it feels completely different.
	And You'll know when it's right.
	So don't go forcing yourself into anything.
	You just wait and live your life and enjoy yourself.
	But I take you as someone who's sensible enough to understand, like, you know, sitting across from that younger girl, I do think she just doesn't quite get it because, well, first and foremost, your brain is not developed at the age of 22.
	Correct. Things kind of come into a different focus once you get into your mid-20s.
	You're older. I think that you definitely understand that what you are doing right now is obviously going to limit your romantic prospects.
	I mean, without question, the average guy, if you go around and ask them, would you want to date a sex worker?
	Their honest answer is going to be no.
	That's the majority, the overwhelming majority of men.
	Would you want to sleep with a sex worker?
	If nobody found out, maybe their answer would be yes.
	But marrying one, you're not deluded.
	I totally understand where you're coming from.
	It's kind of interesting because, for example, if you were to go look at our online platforms, Sex workers.
	And you're like, well, who's going on there and following them and commenting?
	And it's like these really goofy trolls and stuff.
	And it's like, those guys, those dorky guys aren't even the ones that are dating us.
	The lurkers.
	It's the ones, like, they can't come and admit it, right?
	It has to be discreet because it's frowned upon.
	It's faux pas in our society.
	But all these lurkers are watching, and then we have literally all different people from the whole spectrum of life coming in and seeing us, right, on low.
	Same dynamic when they inquire about a relationship.
	So I have a guy over in Utah, rather conservative, and he's been inquiring, and he has a two-year-old, a sweet little boy.
	I have them inquiring all the time.
	Really high-level gentlemen.
	And I think for them, at first it's like, wow, okay.
	But it's kind of like, well, would you consider a relationship?
	Would you consider kind of...
	Stepping out of the limelight and changing it up or maybe we can compromise.
	So I find it even opens the door even further.
	Because I'm being marketed and I'm getting more people coming to me because of the job, you're also getting people that are genuinely interested in a relationship.
	There's this guy that works at NASA that was talking to me.
	I was kind of like, maybe I should have went and dated him.
	Because then we're in that predicament where it's like, should we go afford to give that person our time and our energy, right?
	When we're used to monetizing that.
	So then that becomes a little bit of a tricky thing because there's some pretty amazing men coming forth and expressing interest in So what I would say is that if you tell me that there's a conservative man in Utah who's inquiring because they're dealing with you, that they're probably not conservative.
	Like, I think that it just doesn't make sense to say that you're a conservative man and you're pursuing a sex worker, especially since one of the staples of conservatism is the family unit, right?
	So if you have a two-year-old and you're pursuing a sexual relationship that's outside of a marriage with a woman, that already stipulates me that you're not a conservative on paper.
	I don't really think that most conservatives are typically a little hypocritical.
	Okay. Well, then I would...
	I find, I find, I find, I find.
	I tend to find on the flip side.
	I would imagine that you're looking at a very specific pool of men that colors your opinion of men.
	Because you're constantly dealing with men that pursue sex workers.
	And this was something that I was trying to get across to the young woman when she was talking about, you know, there's all these men that want to be pegged.
	And I'm like, do you realize what category of men?
	They're not high-value men.
	The men that are walking into brothels are not high-value men.
	That's the point. I disagree.
	I slightly disagree.
	Okay, so we're never going to agree on that.
	No, I know. I really very much believe that you can have someone who is a hypocrite, someone who is, you know, cosplaying a conservative by day, by the very moment that you debase your family and you go into a brothel as an option for you to explore sexual fantasy...
	You have removed yourself from the aspects of manhood that makes masculinity great.
	One of those aspects being self-control, right?
	What if you bring in your wife and she wants to come?
	Then you're not a conservative couple, obviously.
	Okay, so that's the argument of conservative versus non.
	Yeah, because the concept of being in a marriage, I don't want to say a conservative marriage, Is that you are a husband and a wife when you are together and you do not invite that into your marriage.
	So I would push back on that. The second thing I would say is that for the men that are looking to establish a relationship with the sex worker, it has been my understanding that most of those men are probably suffering from something that a lot of men suffer from which is sex addiction.
	And so I think it's interesting that you consider yourself to be a sex therapist that offers men sex, and you haven't considered, and maybe you have, and I'd love to hear what you have to say about it, sex addiction as one of the elements that's bringing men to you.
	You come from a relationship where your husband was an alcoholic.
	If I said I was a therapist and I offer men vodka, do you understand that you're offering men something that actually they need to get help over?
	If at the moment that you're going to a brothel and you're paying for sex, It probably indicates that you have some sort of an addiction and you're helping mount these addictions.
	The majority of them, I would assume, behind the backs of their wives.
	So I'd like to hear what you have to say just about sex addiction, if it's something that you consider when you come across all of these clients that actually these men are suffering and they need help and the help is not sexual that they need.
	Right. Well, we're seeing a whole gamut of people and so that is one downside just like anything else.
	Food, gambling.
	I have been able to identify it in some individuals coming in because they might come in and say, well, I don't know if I'll be able to afford my bills next month.
	Anybody that starts talking that, it's not a good idea.
	And I will flatly say, I don't think this is good for you.
	I don't recommend you do this.
	Do not compromise your finances to come in For whatever reason, if it's entertainment value, if you're wanting to work on a particular sexual issue, or you're wanting to flesh through something that is emotional, if that's going to compromise your finances, sorry, that's not a good choice.
	And I will be very forward about that.
	The people that are coming in are coming in for a gazillion different reasons.
	Couples will come in.
	Like, let's say, you know, high school sweethearts, right?
	And she is bicurious.
	And they love each other, and they're great parents.
	Maybe they run a business together.
	And I'm going off of, like, real case scenarios.
	But she would like to experience a lady, and nobody wants to cheat on each other.
	Nobody wants to break up over this.
	So they come in, and they experience a lady in a safe environment where we're being tested.
	And it's fantastic. That's not the majority of your clients.
	Give me a percentage of how many people are in a stable relationship and they just are bicurious and they're coming to a safe place to explore bisexuality.
	The majority of my couples, that is all it is.
	The majority of my couples aren't even necessarily, sometimes they'll want to come in and troubleshoot something.
	Recently a lady was saying, this has been a thing And I don't know if it's coming on the heels of everybody, this alpha male talk or whatever, but wives that are saying, look, I want my husband to be more of an alpha in the bedroom, and I want him to work with you, and I want you to get him a little bit more like a dom.
	I want him to come up and grab me.
	And guys will come in, and they'll be so stepping on eggshells to get to it.
	And we're just like...
	All balls out, if I may say.
	You know what I mean? Like, we're very translucent and let's get to it.
	And it doesn't offend us to talk about it.
	That's the point. We've got to communicate on it to make it better.
	But they'll be afraid. And they'll be like, I just don't want to disrespect you.
	I don't want to demean you.
	And so play that scenario out in the bedroom where the lady's like, I want him to just grab me and ravish me.
	And he's like... More beta.
	So they'll want to work on that.
	The majority of the people that reach out to you are couples.
	They're single men.
	And I'll kind of get into the dynamics on them.
	That's important to know because I want to talk about the majority of the people that you see.
	Because I do think it would be exceptional that a woman who is married would come to
	you and book you and say, I want this for my husband and for us.
	I think probably we know that the sex industry is something that is pursued by men.
	I think we know that.
	A lot of solo men, yes.
	Sometimes solo women. And so that's always interesting.
	They'll come in. And I've never partaken, but I've had some come in.
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	The majority of my couples coming in Are wanting to celebrate.
	They want to celebrate their anniversaries.
	And I know to you, you're probably cringing because from your conservative viewpoint, you're like, oh, that's a terrible idea.
	They literally want to celebrate their anniversaries and their birthdays and like Valentine's Day weekend.
	It's huge for us. And that to me, it's an honor.
	I can think of some really hot situations that happened when I was booked for anniversaries with some amazing, amazing people.
	And it was really flattering that they wanted to share that moment with me.
	They're never going to forget me.
	And they probably think I've long forgot them, and I haven't, because of what they were celebrating.
	So a lot of times it's an entertainment thing as well.
	It's kind of perceived as a luxury wellness session where we can go play out this Really fun fantasy, and then I'll do like a couple's massage.
	I will do a bonafide massage afterwards.
	So then you have your blissful sauna stuff, and then you can go off and, you know, they can go continue.
	Usually they're vacationing, they're flying in from everywhere.
	Now, on the single guys, there are women, it's called the hall pass, and this is not uncommon.
	And, you know, It's just something that people don't talk about.
	But the hall pass is when, you know that long-standing joke, oh yeah, if you want your sex life to die, go get married, right?
	There's always these jokes about that.
	So it's like that, where the woman, and I hear story after story about it, and to be fair, maybe the man needs to put more effort into things as well.
	But where they're together, and she's flipped the script, and she's no longer interested in sex.
	And when they were recording, she was into it, and then she turns around After they get married and says, I don't like doing oral.
	That's demeaning. It's gross.
	That's demeaning that you're asking me to do this.
	And then he's getting sex no more than once or twice a month.
	But what they do love about each other is that if they're running a business successfully or they love the fact that they're great parents, they don't want a divorce.
	But she'll say, I'm going to let you go to one of the legal brothels because they're tested differently.
	They don't have any emotions in the game.
	They're not going to try to steal you.
	They're not going to try to have an emotional affair with you.
	That's one of the things that when people get into these circumstances, they don't want someone to go off and have an emotional affair and then run away and leave.
	So the hall pass is actually a common thing.
	And women will email in.
	Women have emailed in and said, yo, this is me and so-and-so, and I want you to know this is what we're doing.
	When I hear you talk about these circumstances and it seems like you always want to bring up the couples, you always want to formalize it as, well, I'm helping certain people or they're reaching out to me and these situations are the ones that I deal with.
	I almost feel like you're trying to justify your line of work and that there is an element of it that is dishonest because everybody knows that the majority of people that go to prostitutes are men.
	And you kind of skate over that and you don't really want to talk about- Yeah, but you don't want to talk about the more important elements.
	I'm sure there are exceptions.
	There are people, and I don't cringe at it.
	I just don't consider those people to be married.
	I considered it to be a complete farce and a fraud, as I said on the whatever podcast.
	It is fraudulent to say that you are in a marriage and then to give your partner to somebody else.
	It means that the word marriage really has no meaning for you.
	And that's largely the society that we live in today, where we are taking words that once meant something and we're trying to upgrade Update them and make them progressive to fit the times.
	And anybody can be in a marriage, even if we're not doing anything or acting like we are in a marriage.
	So I don't cringe at it.
	I just think this couple is a fraud.
	They're frauds. But to get to you and my interest in that, when you're publicly interfacing, you always talk about these couples and these scenarios, but you don't I want to push and talk about the fact that men are right now struggling in this country, especially in this country, with porn addiction, with sex addiction,
	because I spend my time doing almost the opposite work and opening that conversation with pornography
	and looking at the comments of young men who write and say how hard it is for them,
	how sex addiction has ruined their life, because I personally know people who have ruined their own
	lives.
	No, I think it would be hard to gather the statistic of how many men want to admit to, you know,
	watching pornography and being addicted to it.
	It's a hard statistic to grab.
	It is. People are not going to be honest about things that they do in the dark, right?
	And but I can just tell you I have entire episodes on pornography, and you are welcome to go look
	at all the YouTube comments of men thanking me for opening the conversation,
	for having the courage to have the conversation.
	It's the reason why they liked Dr.
	Jordan Peterson. It's the reason why they like Andrew Tate because these men are opening the conversation on how pornography is actually weakening men and enslaving them in many ways.
	And so it's been interesting to me as somebody who is Yeah.
	being slaved by an over-pornographic society, rather, to sit across from you and to have
	you just skirt over that.
	We're talking about addiction, and I would hope that you would have compassion for that
	because you were married to somebody who had an addiction.
	You know what addiction means.
	It is an impulse that you can't fight.
	And it's not just the people when you say, oh, well, I turned down the ones that if they say I barely have any money, that's the guy that's already ruined his life.
	But what about the guy who has an unlimited resources of money, right?
	Who comes to you and says, I'll pay anything.
	That's also addiction.
	I'll pay you this.
	I'll, you know, just give me what I need.
	They're not all suffering from sex addiction.
	But how do you know that?
	How do you know that?
	Because I would say… Because they tell me.
	They tell me their frequency.
	Does your husband tell everyone about his drinking?
	Well, they're pretty honest because once you get behind closed doors with them…
	Addicts are never honest. Addicts are never honest.
	That's a part of addiction is lying.
	I'll tell you, I've had Marines and I've had Army men break down and cry to me because I offered them a safe space.
	My space is so safe, I have people opening up on lots of different fronts.
	And mom's the word. You know, I don't ever, you know, out my people.
	And I've had some pretty amazing moments.
	I've been given an Afghanistan, a flag, an American flag that was, during the Afghani War, flown over Afghanistan because I provided a really good service to somebody suffering from post-trauma.
	I do a 25% off anytime special for law enforcement and veterans.
	And I even have people in law enforcement Even if they're not partaking, thanking me for that because of all the crap that they get and all the things that they see and how well I'm trying to take care of them.
	One of the brothel owners over in Nevada is former law enforcement, and when she asked me to come to her tour, she called all of her cop friends.
	They would like to see it decriminalized.
	They want to go after the pimps and the human traffickers, and they don't want the girls reprimanded for this They like us, too.
	They see the value in what we do.
	Yeah, so what I would say is that what you are offering them, especially when you use an example of a former veteran giving you a flag, that saddens me.
	And a Purple Heart.
	Yeah, it really saddens me that someone would give you those items that have real meaning.
	Why? I'm very honored.
	I'm very grateful. You're honored.
	But I think that what you're offering them is a drug, so it's no different than them going to drink at a bar.
	Sex is addicting. So it's not for them going to drink at a bar.
	It's no different than them finding a drug addict, somebody that's willing to get high with them all night and snort cocaine to deal with their PTSD. Well, that's not what I do, and that's not what any of the providers that I know of do.
	Well, I'm saying sex is in and of itself a type of drug.
	It is addicting. People become addicts, right?
	And so for you to, something that makes you so happy that these people are coming to you makes me sad because this means that this is how they are dealing with their trauma.
	They're dealing with their trauma sexually by having sex with a stranger.
	It's healing. I don't think that's healing.
	What about the quadriplegics that are coming in?
	They're horrible people.
	They're perverse. Are they weaving, walking?
	They're coming. Then it's not healing to have sex with a prostitute.
	They really, really want to have an intimate experience with the woman.
	And for whatever reason, they can't.
	They can't at home because they're bound to a wheelchair.
	We have parents bringing these kind of individuals in, wanting them to get a wellness session in essence.
	Okay, well I know quadriplegics who have served the nation and lost both of their legs who are married and happy with children.
	And that's fantastic.
	Again, it's to each their own.
	I'm not judging them.
	I'm sorry to cut you off. You keep mining these exceptions.
	And I think it's because you do hold and harbor some guilt.
	And I think you do know that there are a lot of men that are broken that are coming to see you.
	And you can definitely correct me, obviously.
	You think that I'm wrong here, but when I hear you talking about these circumstances, what you're describing to me are men that are desperate and men that need real healing.
	And you are never going to find real healing at the bottom of a bottle, a la your ex-husband, Or with a prostitute.
	It's all in the same vein.
	In some cases. But for them, if you want to come in and get a wellness session, you're more than able to.
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	Prostitutes were popular in the Bible.
	I mean, I went and I took a look and I'm like, what in the world's going on here?
	So I went and I kind of took a gather at it.
	Sorry, did you say prostitutes were popular in the Bible?
	Yeah, they're mentioned on multiple fronts.
	So I'll get into it. But when you say popular, what do you mean by that?
	I'll go right into these verses for you.
	But just to let you know, I am very spiritually agnostic.
	And I've done a lot of world religion classes as electives.
	So to even bring the Bible in, I know you will.
	That's what your base wants, you know, but...
	You actually brought the Bible in.
	Oh, I'm going to bring it in, but for me, I need a logical, I just need a logical barometer to go off of, a common sense logical barometer to go off of when we're discussing yay or nay on sex work.
	But to make my point, like in Chronicles, so King David had like eight wives, okay, right?
	And concubines are sex workers, and he had so many sex workers that he couldn't even keep count.
	So his body count was apparently way higher than mine, and God condoned it.
	And then King Solomon, he married his own daughter, which God condoned.
	He had 700 wives.
	He had 300 sex workers, all of which God condoned.
	And then we know with the history of the courtesan that they were at the top of the food chain back then, whereas the wives were toddlerized, couldn't own property, and they were at home being You know, being made to feel like children.
	But then if you go to Deuteronomy 22, 28 through 29, God instructing a rapist to marry his victim.
	And they're not even role-playing.
	Genesis 19, 16, Lot's wife got turned into a pillar of salt, okay?
	Genesis, just in general, Adam and Eve, they have two males.
	So we're apparently all descendants from incest, apparently.
	And then Adam and Eve raised a murderer as the first humans on earth.
	You know, it's like, okay, well, that's bad luck.
	So I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater on all of religious messaging.
	I think you can take some nice stuff from all of them.
	And I worked with a close-knit group of Mormons.
	There's a lot of Mormons that occupy the Boise area when I was doing white-collar work.
	And, you know, I love them to death.
	Their sense of family and unification.
	They are fantastic people.
	Some of the things that they've got going on in their Bible, I'm just like, goodness gracious, but there's things that they believe that I think is good.
	I need something common sense.
	If I'm very spiritual and agnostic, you know...
	Okay, so I'm going to just back this up because I don't want the chats and the comments to be mocking you because I think that you've been...
	Oh, that's fine. They're going to mock me no matter what.
	You're spiritually agnostic. You obviously are not well-run in the Bible.
	You probably did a Google search just for mentions of prostitution and mentions of concubines, right?
	because you thought that I was going to throw out some Christian rhetoric at you.
	I would very much be open to suggesting that you enter an actual Bible study to understand
	the things that you're bringing up sort of sporadically here.
	But suffice it to say that the Bible's messaging and God's messaging is not that prostitutes
	are good and that it's good to have concubine relationships.
	Didn't he love Mary Magdalene?
	Can you tell me the story of that?
	Yes. Yeah. And by the way, here's a wonderful series if you'd rather stay cultural on these things.
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	And you understand that Jesus was a healer.
	And I would love for you to be healed.
	In your assessments of what it means to be a sex worker, because I do think that you do need Christ.
	And I told you before we started this episode, before we started this conversation, rather, that I did have a former sex worker who did the exact opposite as you.
	You know, she was a porn star, she was on Pornhub, and then she found Jesus Christ and she started studying the Bible.
	I watched it. She was supposedly on a plane and God started talking to her.
	And I think that that could happen for you as well.
	And so, yes, there are mentions of prostitutes in the Bible.
	Yes, God has healed prostitutes and there is no reason ever that any real Christian should ever say to you that your life is over and that you can't transform and that you can't similarly be healed by God's Word.
	And I want that for you in the same way that I wanted that for the girl that I was sitting across for meaningfully.
	But I was definitely not going to try to throw you off and have a theological debate with you about the things that you're doing because, as you said, you know, you haven't presented yourself as a Christian, so I don't find you to be living hypocritically in many means, and I don't think that that would have been fair.
	I did with the girl who said she was wearing the cross and said that she was raised a Catholic.
	She knew what she was saying.
	And she obviously knew that she was trying to be, as I said before, perverse.
	And she was trying to be provocative by taking a shot and saying that the cross is just a cute thing.
	So she got a little bit more of my ire that the other people didn't.
	I can see that. To be honest, I think the aliens would be able to make more sense of it all.
	So I'm on wait and watch.
	I'm on wait and watch.
	And as more information unfolds throughout the years, I'll make better sense of life.
	Yeah. And I'm comfortable being there.
	I'm not scared. Since you brought up scripture and I wasn't going to bring up scripture, I do want to just reiterate to you that nobody is perfect.
	I've had a very troubled life.
	My life was not easy for me.
	I could have ended up maybe like you.
	You never know. But I was...
	In a way, seeds before I was saved because I had my grandparents who were devout Christians and who required that we do a Bible study every morning before we went to school.
	And I think that those things in many ways served as seeds.
	That later grew in my adult life.
	And I hope that since you're expressing even interest, if you even just Googled passages about prostitution, that you won't stop there.
	And that you try.
	Just try Bible study. See what you learned from it.
	Have someone sit down from you.
	Start from Genesis. Jump into Exodus.
	Go into Deuteronomy and really understand the true context of the things that you're pulling up.
	But again, I wasn't going to present that to you as a challenge, so I think that would not have been fair.
	But I want to talk to you about your son because you mentioned that you got into the sex industry because you had to take care of your son and you wanted to spend more time with your son.
	And in doing just kind of a background check into you, it doesn't seem like you and your son live in the same state.
	Is that correct? We do.
	He's always lived with me.
	He's always lived with you? Yeah, he's there.
	Okay. How has your particular work impacted his life?
	How old is your son? He is 21, and he just didn't learn until now.
	He knows I'm on the show.
	He's very supportive.
	And he knows now this was the year.
	And he loves me so much.
	I mean, we are so passionate.
	We get so emotional. I mean, get us in a room.
	We'll start hugging. He'll just say, you know, you've been a dad and a mom to me.
	So he still lives with you?
	He has his own place.
	He's a chef.
	He's a chef and a drummer and an amazing guy.
	But, you know, at this point, he's just now getting out on his own.
	He was a senior during COVID. At a private school, a project-based school that Stanford modeled where he would work with the community CEOs to gain his high school credits.
	So he built community quite quickly and went off and started working because during COVID, Idaho was pretty free and that's why a lot of people were coming over because of the way we handled COVID. A lot of people weren't even masking up, and he took off into the workforce when older people are saying, let's jump on welfare, let's jump on unemployment, rather.
	So your decisions haven't impacted his life at all?
	No, I wouldn't say that it's been damaging to him.
	I think that he's had some really good men, male role models in his life because that is key.
	Because for me, as a mom, the Mother's Guild is like, oh, I wish love would strike me because then I could give my son Christian a father.
	But we put him in a lot of mentoring programs.
	One of his mentors was My father had been a bachelor on the show The Bachelor.
	He's a really funny guy.
	So he's assigned mentors and big brothers.
	And then my father is a great influence.
	And he continues to be a great influence and very important person in our lives on the daily.
	And then my brother-in-law is also a fantastic guy that has spent a great deal of time with my son.
	No, I really don't.
	And I've even asked him.
	And we'll get counseling.
	I mean, we'll get counseling and we'll talk things out and flesh things out.
	And really, no.
	So if he's watching this, he's saying, my mom is being 100% honest and I'm proud of her and I'm proud of the work that she does.
	And what's fascinating about him, you know, he's his own...
	He's his own individual, right?
	He's not into social media, whereas I've got to go market on it, which, you know, social media is like, ugh.
	And so he's not a big fan of social media, which I think is really healthy.
	And he does that on his own.
	And then he's a one-person kind of guy.
	He's into monogamy. And so he always tells me he is looking forward to being a father.
	I had him run my art studio, and we were doing these art parties for children.
	And he and his girlfriend, who was the key artist, and we would do community classes and whatnot, they had a ball.
	He likes kids.
	I mean, he works with kids. He's been a paid basketball coach.
	And he'll say, yeah, you know, I look forward to making your grandmother when the time's right later.
	I want kids.
	I want to get married. That's my son.
	His authentic individual self.
	And then he respects me for my individual self.
	But his friends could book you.
	No. Well, they can't.
	They can? Well, they won't and they don't.
	Okay, but they could, in theory.
	Well, if they wanted to attempt, but they wouldn't.
	Why are you so sure that they wouldn't?
	Because I've been like a mom to them.
	Okay. Okay. I've been like a mother to these kids.
	So he never faced any teasing from boys saying, I could book your mom tonight.
	No. And sleep with your mom.
	Nope. Okay. And so in the way that you- Dealt with that junk.
	In the way that you market yourself on social media, your son and his life is not a consideration.
	Right. It has not been an issue, and he has reaffirmed, and so have my supporters, my counselor, that I have nothing to be ashamed of.
	Okay. Because your Twitter feed is very graphic.
	It's pretty explicit. It is explicit.
	Gojobs to men.
	It's porn. Correct.
	It's just porn.
	Yeah. So that, you're saying, has no impact on your 21-year-old son.
	You can just go to a public Twitter feed and see his mother saying, like, I'm going to take a big black cock, which is something that you've tweeted.
	Yes. It doesn't impact your son.
	No. Well, first of all, I'm shadowbanned.
	You think any person watching this is not going to think that you're being a little dishonest right now?
	Yeah. Look, my son's not out there looking for my porn, and neither are his friends.
	Nobody says anything to him, and people are welcome to think what they think.
	People could harshly judge you and think your children are going to have problems in the future because of what you've done in terms of Yeah.
	Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	They just said conservatives think he's trans.
	There's not enough evidence for that.
	Other people are saying that he just liked to wear eyeliner.
	I didn't identify the wrong person.
	So I think my kids will be pretty okay with the correct person.
	And you weren't insulting somebody who's in a wheelchair that represents Skims.
	Like there's a model and there's stuff out there that are saying that you insulted the Skims model and she's in a wheelchair.
	No, not because she was in a wheelchair.
	Okay, because that's out there.
	Definitely, I think media getting a story wrong about a debate about whether or not somebody is trans or whether or not we covered on the show whether people are pandering when they start doing these sorts of disabled commercials is a little bit different than saying, like, watch me swallow this big black cock.
	Can you agree? That's a little different for a boy growing up.
	Yeah. Well, I mean, if it was true that you got the wrong shooter wrong, you know, I mean, that was terrible.
	I didn't get the shooter wrong. Thank goodness, thank goodness.
	Never have gotten the shooter wrong.
	Because I'm like, that's kind of mean-spirited.
	Because, you know, a lot of people like what you do.
	I like how you took the approach and the stand on COVID-19.
	But any false narratives, and part of why I thought, you know, when I saw some of that stuff, maybe perhaps falsely reported, and it is falsely reported in the news.
	There's multiple articles stating that you were identifying the wrong person.
	No, they were just talking about whether the identity of the person.
	You may have just misunderstood the article. There was a debate, and I still hold that that kid had gender issues.
	So it's my stance on a boy that was dressing in a certain way.
	They felt that conservatives were wrong in their assessment on the gender identity.
	Again, Thank you for correcting me.
	This isn't like you say tomato, I say tomato.
	Right. Well, some of the comments that you were stating when we were on the Whatever podcast were basically to me false narratives because the things that you were spouting just weren't true.
	You were saying that, you know, people that would come and seek our services are mentally ill and perverse.
	And the quadriplegics, the individuals that come and see me, the men, the women, you know, what have you, these are normal people.
	These are your neighbors. These are your local insurance agents.
	PTSD actually is in the manual as a disorder.
	So it is perfectly normal to say that somebody that's suffering from PTSD because they serve the country is...
	Is dealing with a psychiatric disorder.
	I think that's okay to say that.
	That's honest. And if they're seeking to deal with that psychiatric order by walking into a brothel, that is not a good solution to that.
	And so I stand by that assessment.
	You are making them out to be like these perverse, mentally ill people.
	You know, like nasty, perverse people coming in.
	And these are your neighbors. This is your insurance agent.
	This is the cashier over at your grocery store.
	This is everybody in society.
	Not everybody in society is going to a brothel, I can assure you of that.
	Well, across the board, across the board, in all the different, you know, like, different, I guess, subcultures and cultures of the individuals that make up our United States.
	So I see all of them in a pro-social way, and I don't have this divisive stuff going on where I'm just playing to one type of person.
	Mm-hmm. So I do want to stick to my comment.
	You do not feel that you giving blowjobs to men openly on the internet is negatively impacting your family members?
	I don't. They're not looking.
	And you think it would be way harsher if they had to deal with somebody who said men that walk into brothels are perverse.
	That would be the real trauma for a child.
	No. I mean, I'm kind of wondering where you're going with this because it's not damaging.
	Well, you answered back to me saying it.
	Well, your kids are going to have to deal with the fact that you said men that walk into brothels are perverse.
	Yes, I want my kids to deal with that fact because I believe that it is a fact.
	Any of the false narrative stuff that's being portrayed that you've been accused of having committed, that could potentially be.
	I mean, you're very provocative.
	So some of your stances.
	Could end up being problematic for your children later on.
	And you're probably propelled to boot.
	But no, to answer your question, me stuck in a d*** on Twitter has not been negative for my family.
	And you wouldn't call that provocative?
	Well, it's incredibly provocative.
	You know, right? In a pro-social way.
	Not like a hater way.
	Okay. Right? Yeah.
	So your website, you offer a ton of services to men.
	You obviously, as you said, you market hard on the internet.
	You offer couples sessions.
	I mean, you have a ton of stuff that's on your website.
	You can talk through it, the things that you offer on Twitter, if you'd like to.
	Just kind of say, what are some of the things that you do?
	It's a lot of Valentine specials come down.
	A lot of... In Nevada...
	Yeah, yeah. We do specials.
	Pegging? Pegging's an interesting one.
	Not everybody has to do it.
	So here's the deal. We're independent contractors.
	So we are in charge of our business.
	From marketing and all aspects of it, we have bookkeepers, we have accountants, we have assistants, and we decide what we're going to do.
	And some ladies will say, you know, I want to do that because I can charge more to do that.
	And it's very fascinating when somebody chooses to partake in some of these kinks and fetishes.
	I know that you'd implied that maybe on the Whatever podcast that some of these kinks and fetishes basically to you equate to mental illness, but I wouldn't say so, especially knowing that The people and why they might want what they want.
	I know a gentleman that had a head injury early on.
	No, no, no.
	Head injury. No, he's a brilliant guy.
	He's in the finance industry.
	Nothing's wrong with him, but he had a head injury and then came to see me.
	He'll square your portfolio away just like that.
	It didn't affect his math.
	But what ended up happening?
	He can't feel certain things.
	certain things are number down there, genitalia-wise.
	So he'll want you to do some things that are a little bit more rough around the edges
	so he can feel, and he can kind of psych himself out and get himself to an orgasm.
	He's had to learn to do that.
	But if somebody who's a little bit more sheltered and close-minded, right of center,
	might look at that and say, what a freak!
	What a perverse freak!
	And it's like, no, no, no, I understand why he wants what he wants.
	I understand his flavor.
	I understand him as a human being.
	Again, you're relying on exceptions and not the rules of the people that are seeing you.
	I think it's probably a rare exception that you have someone who needs to troubleshoot
	because of an injury that they had versus the average person that's seeing you, which
	is probably just… It's a complex gamut.
	It is a complex gamut.
	Each individual is very different and unique.
	And they're not all coming because of sex addiction.
	Some of them are hobbyists.
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	You're also still a prostitute.
	I know on the whatever podcast you said you didn't like that term.
	It was old. You preferred a newer term.
	Well, that's totally fine with me.
	Honestly, I'm totally fine.
	Guys, you know, even the derogatory terms, like, I mean, we use them as dirty talk, so, you know, turn us on.
	So whatever you're going to throw at me and say, that's fine.
	No, I'm just using the only word I know.
	I mean, a prostitute.
	Sex workers are kind of becoming, like, the trendy thing to say over the others.
	Okay. Whatever you want to term it.
	Okay. Yeah, I wasn't trying to make myself out to be anything.
	I really didn't get that much talk time to express myself and didn't choose to really open up on that platform.
	So thank you again.
	But I do do the whole gamut.
	So I do like the in-person sessions and then I... I just now started doing really the porn.
	And the reason why is when Dennis Hoff passed away, he was our marketing engine.
	And they kind of fell off.
	And you've got to stay relevant.
	Netflix has come to us, but The Madam didn't really want to do something because we thought, yeah, we could put together a series that would be really awesome.
	And she said no.
	So I started doing porn as a show what you know dynamic for marketing.
	And then so people would go and see me and it would be kind of funny because I've always done more high-end, in the past, more high-end conservative photo shoots.
	So they thought I was the girlfriend experience, which is more down-to-earth, a little bit more vanilla and And then they go and they see me and they say, wait a minute, your skill set in the sex industry, you know, in the world of sex is way beyond just simply kissing and making love, if you will. You do a lot of different things.
	And now I know that you do this particular kind of interesting kink and I'd like to try that.
	I would like to know, honestly, if you would want your son to marry someone like you.
	Yeah, I mean, that's okay.
	It depends on the person.
	He, no, you, I'm asking.
	Yeah, no, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, yes.
	Yes. Why would I tell him to reject and deny?
	I've even spoken with him if he ever wanted to partake.
	You must always be respectful, and this is how you would go about it if you wanted to partake.
	You know, there's been traditional high school sweeties of him that are more right of center that weren't really nice.
	They were kind of toxic, not so nice ladies.
	So it's not going to be like this label thing of, okay, what does she do?
	Where does she work? You know, who is she?
	Oh, she's a sex worker. Some follow it labels, some follow it standards.
	You know, people want obviously their children.
	I definitely have standards for the sort of women that I would want my son to grow up and to marry.
	And I definitely have standards for the sort of men that I want my daughter to grow up and marry.
	So I don't think we should categorize having standards as being labels, you know.
	And a lot of times parents are selfless.
	And I think that's kind of where I'm trying to get to in understanding you because you don't think it impacts him for you to put porn on the internet.
	You don't think it impacts him for you to be advocating, you know, do you want to do naughty cosplay?
	Do you want me to dominate you, baby?
	It doesn't seem like you're coming from a place of selflessness.
	Like, I would almost rather you say, like, obviously this impacts him.
	You know, I weigh the pros and the cons, but you're just like, no, everything I do is great.
	Everything I do is amazing. Like, he loves it.
	Yeah, I'm amazing. Now when I ask you a question about would you want him to marry someone like you, it's like, no, that's fine.
	And so I'm reading that, I hope, as a defense mechanism and not the truth because then it makes me wonder how much you love your son because I would want my children to do better than me.
	I want my kids to do better than me, better than I did when I was a kid.
	And you just seem like, I'm doing great.
	I hope my kid marries someone just like me.
	Did I say that I hope that he marries someone just like me?
	I said to each his own.
	If he were to come to me and say, I met somebody and they're very special to me and they mean the world to me and I want you to meet her.
	And she is a sex worker.
	I would kind of be surprised because I know how he is and he's not really that way.
	I know what he wants.
	And he wants one person to settle down with.
	But I'd be like, okay, well, this is interesting.
	You're really branching out. And I would just want to meet her and I would want to learn more.
	And I would want to find out what's going on with where he's at.
	And what kind of dynamic do we have going on here?
	What kind of, you know, who is this lady?
	I want to know this lady. Because there's brilliant ladies, including myself in the industry.
	And I wouldn't count somebody out because of that.
	That would be completely hypocritical.
	Now, why am I saying that my Twitter feed, number one, my Twitter feed is like totally shadowbound half the time.
	That stuff is very sensitive.
	You've got to go and dig up and find me.
	It was 10 tweets down.
	Okay, cool. I mean, I didn't do hours on your Twitter feed.
	I just scrolled. My family.
	And I scrolled this morning, and I promise you, it's within 20.
	Well, that makes me feel better, because I'm always like...
	It's within 20 tweets down.
	It is graphic. It is not being censored at all.
	It was right there. Maybe my settings are wrong, but there's...
	I did not do a deep dive on your Twitter feed.
	So maybe it's because, you know, because I am being honest and I am being authentic.
	And in Boise, Idaho, you know, my family and my son, we've lived kind of a much more simpler, they've lived a much more simpler life than I, comparatively.
	They're not coming in and traveling.
	They're not marketing anything on websites or the internet.
	And he's not even down with the internet.
	He He doesn't like Instagram, and he doesn't like any of that stuff, so he's seldom on it.
	They're not looking for my stuff.
	They're not looking to see me and see what I'm doing.
	I'm a different name.
	I'm a different person.
	I mean, I'm still the same person, but do you know what I mean?
	Like, I'm a different role.
	So it's about family.
	It's about grassroots...
	The same stuff, getting together, having dinners.
	We're not talking about my work.
	So my work hasn't even really entered.
	Just now, I've had to tell him because of the publicity, the tabloid.
	So I wanted to make him aware of what was going on.
	And he loves me no matter what.
	And so that's so important to me, Ken.
	Yes, of course.
	And that is what love is.
	I appreciate that he loves you no matter what.
	I think what I'm trying to get to is that I think people that are watching this are again going to question how honest you're being.
	Because I have sat down with sex workers before and they're honest about what the industry is.
	Even people that don't want to get out of the industry are honest about what the industry is.
	Right now you are painting a picture of no downfalls.
	It's great. I can control my own schedule.
	I can decide what clients I want.
	I get tons of money from what I get to do.
	I get to spend more time with my kid.
	I can post pornographic stuff onto a different name.
	It doesn't impact my kid.
	I know that I can marry and I can date someone if I want to.
	When that moment arrives to me, my career is not going to impact it.
	That doesn't read as honest.
	It doesn't. And I think that it takes a simple measure of common sense to know that's not honest.
	Whereas you have other people who look down and say, yeah, you know what?
	I've had a person abuse me in this circumstance.
	There's a lot of drugs and drinking in this industry.
	We know that that's a fact, obviously, because if you follow any of the human sex trafficking channels that talk about the women that are sex trafficked and then forced to do pornography, you learn really my strong aversion to pornography didn't arrive overnight.
	I mean, it wasn't throughout my entire life, rather.
	When I sat down with the My founder, Tim Ballard, of a sex trafficking organization, and he described to me that America was creating a demand for pornography, which was the reason why in places like Haiti, when they have a hurricane, a bunch of kids go missing.
	It's terrible. And they're sex trafficked.
	It is true. You're comparing apples to oranges.
	I'm not comparing apples to oranges.
	I'm telling you where you can find the apples and the oranges.
	They find these children. His charity.
	They find these children on these websites.
	Pimps. Once they're older, whatever it is, that's totally fine.
	But the point is that this is the same sex initiative.
	It's the same place that I can find a video of you.
	There might be a video of a person who didn't want to be put onto the internet.
	They recently found a young woman Who was taken at a basketball game in broad daylight.
	They found her on a sex website.
	The same website that you might be willingly.
	So my aversion to pornography, my aversion to what it does, came with my understanding of how intertwined it was.
	Not consciously, do I believe that you want to be intertwined with the human sex trafficking industry?
	No. Do I believe that the average man that goes on to Pornhub.com wants to support human sex trafficking?
	No. But the truth is that because of this demand that's being created, We're good to go.
	Because that's not going to work, and I don't even think that's the right answer.
	I don't think that's going to work. And I really don't like human trafficking, and I think it's disgusting.
	It's not even legal, but to lump it in the same boat, to put it in the same boat as Nevada's controlled...
	The government controls it and organizes it, and it's freaking brilliant.
	And to put that in the same boat as illegal human trafficking with children is, again, to me, that's like, uh-oh, false narratives are coming our way.
	Again, if you're just not wanting to look at what's happening, right?
	No, no, I have cops.
	I have cop clients that are saying decriminalize it.
	That's not the same thing as what you girls do.
	We like what Nevada does.
	It's the same website that I can go to for both.
	That's what I'm trying to explain to you.
	And that is something that I learned as an adult.
	It wasn't something that I knew.
	But it completely transformed my opinion of the porn industry when I realized it's not
	disagreeing with the fact they're finding these young women on websites like Pornhub.
	Of course you do.
	And that's why I'm not putting this on any porn star.
	I want to be clear.
	I'm not saying that a person that willingly does pornography
	is doing this because they are endorsing human sex trafficking.
	Yes, yes.
	But for me, the industry became unconscionable once I was educated about human sex trafficking,
	understanding that the majority of these victims are being found on websites alongside these,
	you know, this girl made this profile because she wants to be there.
	This girl actually didn't make this profile because she wanted to be there, but because she was sex trafficked from an Eastern European country.
	She was sex trafficked from North Korea.
	So once I understood that, I wanted to be a voice against pornography and against this industry.
	Now, to answer your question that you just asked, which I think is super important, about how you deal with it, I think, well, the first way that you deal with any problem is with truth.
	And that's why I'm pushing you On this narrative, and I think it's an unhealthy narrative because porn stars don't even spin this narrative that the industry is great and the industry is amazing.
	It's my truth of my experiences.
	But you have young women that are around you in these brothels.
	You've never heard a bad story.
	Everything's just been amazing. No, no, no. Some of these girls have issues, you know.
	Drug issues, substance abuse issues. Yeah, I mean, some girls might have issues.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	But that's across the board.
	I mean, go into the finance industry, and then you'll find all these people on Coke, and you're like, what?
	But yeah, no, there's problems in every single industry, but there's a ton of brilliant, brilliant girls in the industry that have degrees, and they don't like the misrepresentation.
	They don't like the six sad world, oh, we're just damaged, or Or all these girls have drug problems.
	And there's so many negative narratives that are being put forth that, you know, like when you did your investigative journalism on the Avery case, you know, you could go do that with these brothels and really get a better viewpoint of the girls that are being empowered and it's catapulting them into other things where they will go and they open up a bed and breakfast or A pet hotel in Chicago or my art studio or what have you.
	My Costa Rica stuff.
	How it's building up women and then you can go find the ones that it's not good for them.
	That is damaging for them.
	Right? So I think we are in agreeance on that.
	Like I said, I am sure that when people have money, they have more capability and so I understand the trade-off.
	Maybe they like the sex.
	I like sex. I think that you got into it because you liked money.
	I like money. You went back to it because you liked money.
	And I think that we kind of figured that out very early on in this conversation.
	And so now you're saying, I do because I like sex.
	I like both. But no woman is jumping into that industry because you're like, wow, I just love sex so much.
	Wouldn't it be amazing to do it full-time with multiple strangers?
	I cannot allow you to pretend that that's ever been a reason why somebody jumped into the industry.
	Well, it's exciting. So some people who don't want just one partner, like for some people, Candace...
	Being with one person the rest of our lives, it's like, that's going to kill me.
	Oh my gosh. Like, that's so boring, right?
	That's why there's people with alternative lifestyles that shouldn't be judged.
	And I get excited, and I get way crazy.
	And so I have a lot of fitness guys coming at me.
	I have younger guys coming at me, and it really gets me excited.
	I get elated. I feel alive.
	So... I get a lot of emotional positivity from doing what I'm doing.
	And after a really good session with people, it feels pretty amazing, to be honest with you.
	And I do like ladies.
	So, I mean, it provides for these fun opportunities for me to get to go have a sexual adventure, if you will, that I wouldn't otherwise have just sitting at home in Boise, Idaho.
	I mean, you can go find those kind of things, but I'm not a bar person, you know.
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	I would offer that I think that your clientele is an examination of the weakest men that our society has to offer.
	The police officers, the federal agent?
	Men that cannot control their impulses are weak.
	That's my belief.
	Well, I disagree. And strong men are men that have impulses, and yet they keep those impulses in check.
	And those are the most desirable men that are in our society.
	Any man that wants casual sex is bad to you.
	Because that's basically what they're wanting.
	They're paying. Yeah, and?
	They're paying for you.
	They're going to a brothel with a stranger.
	Rather than drinking a girl into it at the bar, which is what we typically see.
	Well, I don't think most men are date rapists either.
	I think a real man is going to walk up.
	Oh, that's the culture. I think that's what allows me to know.
	Hey, babe, let me buy you a drink.
	That's what allows me to know that you only see the worst parts of our society.
	I've been in it. Yeah.
	Haven't you? I mean, did you ever go?
	You said you were married to an alcoholic, right?
	Well, I didn't even know he was at the time.
	I think that your opinions are being colored by your experiences on a day-to-day basis.
	No, going to the bar.
	Right. Being involved, going out to the bar as a young'un, getting there and having guys, you know, come up and hit on you and want to buy you drinks and then keep wanting to buy you drinks because they're trying to take you home.
	Yeah, but also you have men that just come up and talk to you and they're not trying to get you drunk.
	I mean, this is how I ended up marrying.
	Nobody was trying to ply me with liquor.
	Somebody wanted to have a conversation with me about things that we agreed on.
	And that's an example of a real man.
	I think the weakest of men are the ones who walk into a brothel.
	Perhaps weaker than them are men that attempt to date rape someone, which is what you're basically describing.
	A typical college scene of everybody's drunk and having a good time, but the whole point is men grow up.
	You learn to have conversations with women.
	You learn how to ask a woman on a date.
	Okay. And you don't need drugs or sex or money that would be better spent somewhere outside of a brothel to do it.
	Actually, it's sad if you, as a man, have to pay for sex.
	So, not really.
	I think it's really sad.
	There's hot guys coming in all the time.
	I didn't ask you how they look. There are weak hot men.
	Okay. So, I'm going to put it to you like this.
	So, let's look at this.
	So, we've got this group of guys here.
	And they're like, I want to go out and have a good time.
	Hoping I get laid. Let's go to the club.
	And then we got these guys. And they're like, well, we could go to this world-famous bunny ranch.
	There's all these hot pros.
	They're really skilled. They're getting tested.
	We're wearing condoms.
	And we're going to be helping them out.
	And to me, it's a gentlemanly gesture.
	If you're wanting to get it on with me and you don't want a relationship, what?
	You know what I mean? Like, come on.
	So them coming in and saying, hey, let me put some money on your books, pay your bills, and let's go have a safe encounter in a controlled environment.
	Shame on you, Olivia Bentley, but this stuff going on over here at the bar, you know...
	Well, the first thing I would say is false dichotomy.
	There's more options for men.
	The thing that I would say is that the most pathetic thing that a man can do is to pay for sex.
	Right. Really? And I think that men know that.
	It is why when men are porn addicts, it's something that they are shameful of.
	It's something that they hide. You don't watch porn in public.
	You're not going to see a person at work just on their phone, you know, watching pornography or someone that's on a train watching pornography.
	It's something that you hide because men know it's shameful.
	Men know that it is a form of weakness, otherwise they would do it out in the open.
	I think the weak shame people that are open and honest about human sexuality.
	That's what I tend to see.
	I don't think that it's normal human sexuality to walk into a brothel and pay for sex.
	I think men and women come together naturally.
	I don't think that even if you look at biology, if you look at the history of humanity, if you look at animals, that you have to pay to have sex.
	It doesn't have to be like, here's some food so that you will have sex with me.
	That's just not how it works.
	Why is it the oldest profession?
	Isn't that interesting? Well, we call it the oldest profession in the world, yeah, and I think it's something that's never going to go away, and I think that's why when you said to me, how do you solve something like this permanently?
	And first, I think by fostering a conversation of honesty, I think that it's actually getting worse, not better, that we're seeing more categories of this sort of perversity with the onset of OnlyFans, social media, and the internet.
	It has actually made men fall deeper into Porn addiction, because that's actually what it is.
	It's pornography addiction.
	And there was less instances of it when there wasn't so much media and there wasn't so much exposure, which provided for men to be able to focus more.
	The examples of stronger men, I think, exist as a relic of the past, really, because there wasn't so many options being given to them all the time.
	What do you say to the men that tell me, you're going to have to pay for it one way or the other.
	Having a wife is way more expensive.
	What do we say when they say that?
	That's trendy. That's a trendy thing that people say.
	That's something that people...
	Well, it's kind of trendy when people say that it's the most pathetic, weak thing to have to pay a woman.
	No, I don't think that's a common phrase anybody said.
	I definitely didn't take it from anybody.
	But the one that you're saying is a common one.
	A lot of haters will say that.
	I would remind them that having a wife and a child and a family is the greatest blessing in the entire world.
	If you're talking about paying because you have bills and you are paying as we are right now as we consider what
	school we're going to put our children into and you're paying for daycare for your children, there is nothing... I
	mean, I would spend that money 80 million times over for the love and the joy and the warmth.
	And the security that my family provides me.
	It is the most aspirational thing that you can pay for.
	Do you think it's okay for other people to have different viewpoints and to have different realities and maybe something else feels good to them and is right for them that to you seems foreign?
	I think it's totally fine for people to live their lives in the way that they would like to live their lives.
	But what I require is that people speak honestly about that.
	And I do not think that any person who is having sex with 10 men, different men per day, is a happy person.
	I just don't. I refuse to believe that that Do I believe that there are some people who genuinely don't want family, who don't want to have a husband, who don't want to have kids?
	Yeah, they're the exception.
	You know, biology gets it wrong sometimes.
	Sometimes genetics just don't get it right, and people don't aspire to things that you would think they have a biological proclivity for.
	But that's the exception, not the rule.
	And I'm certainly not going to try to force someone who says, I hate children, I don't want children, that's not you, I'm just giving an example, to, you know, force them into a lifestyle that they're obviously...
	They won't be happy.
	They won't be happy. Right. But what I have trouble with is trying to normalize the abnormal.
	And I think that, as I said, in the circumstance of a woman, especially a woman, having sex with 10 different partners in one day...
	That's a little much.
	I think you both said five to ten clients in a day.
	Well, after the HBO special, things were crazy.
	And that place was on fire.
	And people were just all over the place.
	And it was one of these things.
	But honestly, what would happen is, so with women, you get more orgasmic the more you go.
	You start But you go and you get addicted.
	You get addicted. You go and you have this rush and you might have an orgasm and then you make all this money and it's like, oh my goodness.
	And if you have fun and you enjoyed your time, then you're right back in the shower and you're getting all ready and you're going right back out.
	To meet someone new.
	So that's kind of what happens.
	You get all woohoo!
	You know, you get all wild.
	Yeah, you get like, oh my goodness gracious, I want to get going here.
	And you're excited about it.
	That's credence to what I was saying earlier.
	There's an element of this that is addicting.
	It's an addiction. It can be. Addictions are not good to lean into, whether it's drinking or whether it's sex.
	If you like your job and that's what you're doing for work and that's the money and you like the sex, it's not affecting me negatively.
	Drinking alcohol and having an alcohol addiction and then doing this for work, to me it's athleticism.
	I mean, we're like in motion, you know what I mean?
	It's like... So for me, it's a physical activity.
	Yeah. It kind of reminds me of a Charlie Sheen interview when he was high on crack cocaine, talking about how he's got tiger blood and this is his special mechanism and this works for him.
	You're talking about an addiction.
	You're saying, well, I like it, so it's fine.
	I like it. Most people do tend to like their addictions.
	That's why they're addicted to them.
	A cokehead likes cocaine.
	A sex addict likes sex.
	But I'm not a sex addict.
	But you just said, there's an element that's addicting.
	You said you get on, you're turned on, you want to see the next person.
	I like what I do, but I'm naturally introverted, believe it or not.
	And I'm not like that.
	I'm not wired like that.
	I haven't even had sex all week.
	That's totally fine. I've been so busy training, I haven't even had time to think of it.
	So I'm not one of those that I'm constantly thinking of getting it on.
	And when I'm home... I don't.
	I'm so busy. You know, I'm going to the gym, and there's a lot of hot guys at the gym.
	I don't hit on them.
	I'm in my zone.
	You know, I build community there.
	So I'm not out romping around and going all crazy.
	So that must—it's not that.
	It's just, you know— To speak of the times when we had a lot of people coming in, that would be the dynamic, and it was crazy.
	But we were making money hand over fist.
	Yeah, which comes down to the fact that it does always boil down to money.
	To the money. Yeah. It does, because we do, we will create, you know, our personas are real wild and stuff, right?
	But this is our means of living, respectively.
	So that doesn't mean, because sometimes, like, a guy might have the perception of That lady is a complete nympho.
	I just got to get a few drinks in her and she's mine for free.
	Do you know what we're charging?
	We're charging a lot.
	I did a $25,000 24-hour party, gave half to Dayton High School.
	The high schools will call in and they'll need help.
	So we're kind of the community backbone in ways for fundraisers, but the wrestling team needed mats
	So they called in I did a 24-hour date with a regular Gave them half and they got their mats and then the
	marching band actually approached Dennis at a restaurant and they said look
	We just want a prestigious trip over to DC We can't afford the outfits and he was so cool and he could
	drum this all up and we did a fundraiser and we got him outfits
	So I mean my point on that is like we charge a lot of money.
	So Therein lies like Yeah, we do enjoy what we do, but we're not these crazy nymphos out there running around.
	This is money. I wouldn't want to sell my body for money.
	And I think that these are, I guess, some differences between you and I and sex workers that we're never going to get over.
	Because there's no price tag that somebody could put on my self-respect.
	And counting $25,000 at the end of the day, knowing that I had to sleep with multiple men to get it, would be something that I wouldn't be able to lay my pillow at night.
	I wouldn't be able to look at my daughter.
	I wouldn't be able to look at my son. And so, yeah, it's different, I think, for everybody.
	But in closing...
	What is your love language, Candice?
	What do you mean by that? Your love language.
	Like, are you physical? Are you acts of service?
	Are you verbal?
	Love language. I actually would probably say all of them.
	Okay. Mine is acts of service and physical.
	So it's kind of, like, it truly is.
	And sometimes I've got to remind myself, hey, you know, you've got to do the verbal, too.
	Some men want the verbal.
	So even though I don't need all that verbal information, I have to learn to do it, right?
	But physical and acts of service is mine, and it kind of makes sense with how I demonstrate and express love.
	But when the one comes, I am open for it.
	I hope he comes.
	What do you hope that young women learned from you in this discussion?
	Just to get...
	A more leveled perspective on it.
	I'm not trying to advocate for people to jump in.
	It is tough work.
	You're having to learn men and manage men, right?
	But just to know that we are smart We are human beings.
	We are respectable businesswomen.
	We deserve respect.
	So let's can the harsh judgments, and I appreciate that we were able to open it up and get deeper into the discussion.
	And I want to be clear that I don't think that sex workers deserve disrespect unless they're being disrespectful, which I think was an example of on the Whatever podcast, people that were intentionally trying to be disrespectful.
	Yes. But as I said at the end of the Whatever podcast, I will say here is that I do think that they are worthy of prayers and I hope that they know that there is a lot more that they have to offer that I'm grateful for you for spending this time to talk and that this has been a respectful dialogue.
	And that we were able to continue it from the Whatever Cut podcast and have a one-on-one dialogue.
	I do think that conversation here at Leng, people hear different perspectives is the only way they can kind of get to a truth, like hearing everything and deciding what it is that they want from their lives.
	So I just want to, again, thank you, Olivia, for coming on.
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