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Happiest of Fridays to everybody.
The season finale of Convicting a Murderer premiered last night.
So today I am joined by my friend and former police officer, Brandon Tatum, to discuss the finale.
And Brandon, I think before we even get into the content of this episode, we have to start with the opening of this episode, which is my favorite thing ever.
The fandom surrounding Stephen Avery, this wonderful musician, this beautiful song that this man created because he believed in Stephen Avery's innocence.
Well, let's roll the tape.
So let's keep talking about Avery Yeah, let's keep talking till he's set free Oh, you just listen, I think you'll see Why it matters Really matters Put aside the documentary My name's Stacy Seabrook and I'm from Vancouver, from British Columbia, Canada.
And I've been following the case since 2015.
Yeah, January 2016 really.
And since then I've written about 17 songs just Making a Murderer, Stephen Avery, Brendan Dassey related.
I really do, I think it matters This documentary not only resonated in America, this was without a doubt an international success.
There were pockets of the world that really, until this day, are still very much active in posting about the case.
I am still struck by Making a Murderer's Impact, how it was able to influence so many people in such a big way.
My name is Mark Hoddenut, I'm from Australia, and I'm here for the rally.
There are supporters of Stephen Avery and Brennan Dassey that are hosting rallies, which, by the way, are still going on in front of Manitowoc Courthouse nearly eight years later.
Stephen Avery will call and they'll all sort of pass the phone around like he's a celebrity.
Some of those supporters are actually traveling from thousands of miles away.
Think about that. I've traveled from Galashiels in the Scottish Borders.
A train up to Edinburgh, a flight from Edinburgh to London, the City of London Airport to Heathrow by public transport, then another plane from Heathrow to Chicago and came here.
So it's definitely been planes, trains and automobiles.
Then there are the supporters who pay for billboards all around Wisconsin offering $100,000 for more information leading to the arrest of Teresa Halbach's murderer.
It's really important to note here that that $100,000 is coming from the supporters' own bank accounts.
They're willing to pay that.
I'm here to support Stephen and Brendan and all their families as well as to make sure justice is brought to this case.
They want to be part of a bigger purpose, part of being able to help this innocent man in their eyes be released from prison.
It's a bigger, bigger mission than just Free Stephen and Free Brendan.
It's about the different people all over the world and in this country that are wrongfully accused.
I said it matters.
It really matters.
Brandon, you know, I couldn't help but notice, there were no African Americans, no black Americans, no Caribbean Americans in this clip.
What's your take on what we're watching, what's happening?
He took a bow, a plane, a train, like green eggs and ham to the other side of the world.
They're doing too much. That's all I'm saying.
They are doing too much. I am convinced people are crazy.
I don't care if the man was innocent or not in your mind, who in their right mind would spend thousands of dollars to go and protest on the side of the road somewhere in Wisconsin.
I don't get it.
I'm assuming he has a family.
Is his wife okay with him doing all that?
I don't think so. Yeah, I said this is like White Lives Matter.
So Black Lives Matter, we smash and take a flat screen TV from Target.
They plan the routes to come and spend their own money to get here.
Passing around the cell phone with him on there.
Like, they're talking to, like, Justin Timberlake when he was in NSYNC or something.
Like, hey, it's me. Like, oh my gosh.
He looked like she was blushing. They doing too much.
That was a lot.
It's a lot. It's embarrassing, to be honest.
But it's indicative of how people act.
Human beings are just attracted to certain things.
They have to find purpose.
I would argue that these people got way too much time on their hands.
They should probably be at work instead of sitting on the side of the road making up a false protest for a guy who they really know nothing about.
They probably have never met him before he went to jail.
And they probably are not informing themselves about the truth and all of the information that should be known about the entirety of the case.
So they could be representing the foolish perspective and spending a lot of money doing it.
So it's embarrassing. To them, I don't care, but it's embarrassing to them.
Yeah, I was really interested, first and foremost, just in the psychology of this.
And over and over again, as we were pulling things together and trying to understand how it is that despite so much overwhelming evidence, even now, a lot of people have dropped off now and they're not believing he's innocent.
Because to be fair, Netflix presented a really good story.
They convinced people because they omitted certain truths.
But now, there are still people that are holding on, sending me mean tweets right now.
He's innocent. He's innocent.
And you just have to wonder, how do you get to this part?
How do you convince yourself psychologically that this person who is so disgusting, so verifiably disgusting in so many different ways and has been his entire life from juvie to now is actually a victim?
How do you get there?
Yeah. So people operate in a bias.
It's called confirmation bias.
So everything that they look at They're going to interpret it to confirm what they believe.
Same thing with people wearing masks.
I see people wearing masks at the airport today.
What in the world make you still wear a mask?
It's that they have built this reality that it makes sense.
And when they find out it doesn't make sense, they have to unravel everything that they are, all of what they represent, and they are not willing to do that.
So instead of saying, you know what, I was wrong and I'm embarrassed because I flew all the way from Australia, spent thousands of dollars to sit on the side to talk to a dude on a phone from a jail cell.
Instead of admitting that they were wrong about that, they have to double down.
And they have created a delusion and a reality that is never going to change.
Jesus Christ could come down from heaven and say, He's guilty.
They will not believe it.
They do not care.
And that's the way people operate, unfortunately, in psychology of, I would argue that people that have an emptiness inside of them, and this is consistent with what they do.
Yeah, it's a spiritual void for sure.
And I don't mean to laugh. It's just the absurdity of looking at making up songs, saying I wrote 17 songs.
He looks like he's a very nice guy, by the way.
Very nice guy from Canada.
Nice guy from England and from Australia.
Everyone looks very kind, so I don't really mean to laugh at them.
But it's hard not to.
It's hard not to when you're considering people sitting down making up songs because they have believed in a Netflix documentary.
It is a stunning look into psychology and how easily people can become convinced.
And I think that you are Totally correct in that it threatens their reality, right?
It threatens. It makes them question themselves.
They have to become completely undone in a way that they're just not prepared to do.
And it gets worse because you also understand that it wasn't just people who were fighting for his freedom.
There were also people fighting for his heart.
So let's roll the next clip.
I've heard that Stephen's had seven girlfriends already, three of them that he was going to marry.
And it's like, I don't know what these people are...
You know, historically there has been this phenomenon of women becoming infatuated with convicted killers.
Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and Stephen Avery really was no different.
He had girlfriends, he had fiancés, and it really is something to take a look at the letters that were being written back and forth.
These are just some letters that he wrote to his once upon a time fiancée.
If you tell anyone of this letter or any other letters, I will go and tell the world.
That you and the kid is on drugs.
Then the whole world will know that too.
So all you have to do is love me and treat me as your husband and our life will be fine forever.
I don't want to hurt you or your kids.
You have to promise you will help us forever.
He also came up with 18 rules for his ex-fiancee.
You are going to trust me as your husband.
I want to see how you treat me as your husband.
No way out. We are in this.
And I love you as the world.
When I call you, you will pick up the phone.
You are only a housewife.
Another woman who asked not to be named also wrote back and forth with Stephen Avery in prison.
And the contents of this letter are pretty disgusting.
He wrote to her, He then asks her, At the end, do you want me to blank in a bag?
Let me know.
I mean, disgusting.
Taste me and put me in you.
Sexy, yes, love you.
That is from Stephen Avery to another one of his paramours while he's in prison.
I don't know why I can't stop laughing.
Because it's crazy. That's why.
The absurdity of everything that I'm listening to and reading and the letters he's sending, he's still threatening women.
I'm just trying to figure out what's going on, Brendan.
I don't know what these women are dealing with, but why would you want to deal with drama from a dude in prison?
And he's like threatening you from prison.
He had 18 rules.
Like, is there a shortage of good men in the world that you are engaged to a potential murderer who's abusive through jailhouse letters, and these women are willing to still deal with that drama?
That's crazy to me.
He can't even touch you. He can't even really talk to you whenever you want him to, and they're still dealing with the drama.
And then he's talking nasty to them.
Like, they're going to actually...
In a bag? Really?
Genuinely, I would love to introduce women that fall in love with serial killers.
The Ted Bundy, the Alex Murdoch is a recent example of a cultural case and women are writing
him letters and convincing themselves that he's innocent.
I think it really points to not just a lack of men or strong men that are in society,
but actually what you're dealing with is actually a crisis in women.
The problem is the women.
What is wrong with you? Why are you so broken?
Do you think that you're going to fix this person?
This person just killed somebody.
Wouldn't you be scared?
Is it not plausible to you after reading his letters, which are remarkably violent?
They're remarkably sexual.
Is it not plausible at all to you that maybe...
This sexual deviant and this murderer, maybe has it within him to rape and murder somebody, and I might be the next person.
What are they looking for in this exchange of letters?
And how do you get so far in your correspondence that you're like, not only do I love you, I want to marry you.
I know that you're going to be in prison forever, but I want to be your wife.
This man had fiancés in prison.
Think about that. It's called narcissism.
These women believe they can fix anybody.
And they think they can fix...
They go and find...
They're trying to play Captain Savor, build a bear, or whatever they're doing with these men.
And they are trying to get the worst man on planet Earth, potentially, that has done the most heinous crime ever and say, look at me, I can't even fix him.
I mean, I'm not going to say God couldn't fix him, but...
God is working on him.
He ain't got it yet. And somehow these women think they're going to fix this guy.
It's crazy because, like you said, it's not the first time that this has happened.
This is a phenomenon. Daddy issues.
These women must have daddy issues.
I don't understand Ted Bundy.
People that have done heinous crimes, documented, in many cases they've admitted to, there's tapes, there's records, and women still want to go, and they probably get conjugal visits, they still go and lay up with these men, knowing they have 100 wives in prison.
And they still do it.
It's actually comical to a certain degree.
If it wasn't so sad, I would probably laugh the rest of the episode about it.
Yeah, I mean, just seeing that these people are somehow convinced to remain fans of him, it's so disturbing.
One of the things that was really compelling for me throughout this entire series was just examining his family.
I mean, just examining what you think is just a Stephen Avery problem.
Like, it's, no, the Avery clan.
And we kept talking about his relationship with his father.
It goes by Pa and how Pa was very much the driver of this horse and the situation.
It's just very obvious that when he speaks to Stephen, he understands that Stephen's done something, in my view.
He understands, but he doesn't care.
He just routinely kind of mocks the situation.
He's the person that, in my view, convinced Brendan, which we saw in a prior episode, not to take the plea deal.
People are like, why is Brendan in prison for so long?
They offered him a plea deal. Brendan was going to take it.
And then Pa gets on the phone.
The grandpa gets on the phone and says, you know, I'm going to tie them by their nuts and drag them down with my truck.
And he's super crazy.
So I want to cut to this phone call, which we had, of Pa speaking with Stephen Avery.
Stephen Avery is telling his father, you know, they have gone through the burn pit and they have found pieces of Teresa Hallback's muscle.
Let me know if you think this is a normal reaction for your father to have if you call him and basically say, they got me.
Take a listen. The lawyer said they got muscle.
They got nothing?
They got muscle. Muscle?
Muscle? Yeah. Muscle from what?
In the pit? From her.
From her. It matches her.
Muscle? What kind of muscle from her?
I don't know.
It's got to be the worst thing, the worst prison phone call that I've heard, and that's actually saying a lot.
What decent human being would ever say something like that regarding an individual who had been murdered?
Brandon, I mean, they're laughing and his father is saying, is that from her C word?
And then they have a giggle and his mom giggles and Stephen giggles.
And they're talking about evidence of the police officers have found in the burn pit.
Yeah, the craziest thing about that is that they're on a jailhouse call, which they know is recorded.
So if you are as brazen as they appear to be, which means you're going to joke about potentially this woman's muscle, even if Stephen Avery is remaining and he didn't do it, Whoever he think did it, the girl's dead body is still there and there's pieces of her body that a normal person wouldn't make fun of.
Because you would still feel sorry for her, even if you didn't do it.
You'd be like, well, it's still sad somebody killed her and pieces of her muscle is found on my property.
I still feel some type of weight on a recorded jailhouse call.
I mean, the audacity and the brazenness of the conversation is telling.
Them joking about sexual stuff.
Indicates to me that maybe this is a consistent thing.
This is how he was raised. His daddy is just as nasty and dirty and sexualized as he is to find that, you know, potential muscle from a person's genitalia is somehow comical.
Right. And so I think it speaks in volumes to a certain degree.
If somebody is looking at this to want to really evaluate what kind of people we're dealing with, I think a rational person would make fun of that And they definitely wouldn't do it on a recorded phone call.
Right. And when you go through just the criminal history of all of the Avery clan, there's so many instances of pedophilia, sexual deviancy.
I mean, we talked in previous episodes about just his porn collection, how he so comfortably says, oh, you know, I was just in the room watching some porn.
He's clearly a porn ad, doesn't even view it as anything weird.
And those sorts of things can create sexual deviancy down the line.
And so when I hear that prison phone call, first and foremost, if you're still part of the deluded few that believe that he is innocent, when you find out that they have found muscle on your property, you'd be incredulous.
When you told your dad, he'd be equally as incredulous.
How did that get there? What do you mean?
How could that possibly have gotten there?
What's going on here? You're not just going to be like, oh, did you find a piece of her C word?
That's not the normal behavior of somebody who's innocent.
It's just basically you're saying to your dad like, all right, we got like...
You know, a little more to deal with here because they've got something concrete and your dad is basically mocking it.
And so it's super disturbing to hear that phone call and it's just also disturbing to realize they're talking about someone that they knew was dead.
They knew was dead. They knew that she had died violently.
And they are mocking her and talking about her private areas in such a derogatory manner.
Definitely one of the grossest prison calls that I've heard.
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We also have this exclusive audio clip, and this was something that we didn't actually include in the docu-series, and this is Ma.
So just to be clear, Ma is Dolores Avery.
She was just on the phone call that you just heard.
She was also cackling and laughing as she was talking to both of them at the same time.
So really good people, and they're going to keep continuing to be good people in this clip.
Take a listen. Yeah, because it sounds like if they get you for murder...
You don't get that money. Horror bucks get it or whatever her name is.
Yeah. If they sue for it.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
For something to do with her.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think she took off with that.
Yeah, that n**** she was seen with.
Hey, my mom. Wonderful people, the Avery clan.
Definitely the kind of people that you want to write songs about.
Pick a member. I don't know where she got that from because I didn't see a single black person in the whole city by the time I've been watching the episode.
No, this is just who they are.
It's just ingrained in them to speak this way.
And apparently the backstory of that is, you know, people were kind of trying to say where they saw Teresa and so many conspiracies are being shrewd.
And so I'm like, oh, I saw her at a gas station with a black guy.
And so she's kind of running with that.
And this is the way that she speaks about black people.
You know, not exactly a surprise.
I always say, comment, people that use these kinds of words and people that are overtly racist are always the most ignorant people in In society, not someone that I would ever feel threatened by, like Dolores, you know what I mean?
But it's just stunning because when you read these Reddit feeds, people were convinced by the Netflix doc that this was like a close-knit, which they are close-knit, they're thicker than thieves, but like loving family, right?
This poor family just trying to get their lives back together.
The ma, the pa, they care so much about their son.
How can this be happening again and again?
Just the complete wrong picture of who the Avery clan actually is.
And I think it's based in a lot of delusion because, like I said, I watched the original documentary.
And if you watch it and you have any type of intelligence, you can tell that there's something not right.
There's no way a person gets that deep in the trial, gets convicted by his peers, and there's nothing there.
People just don't do that.
Innocent people just don't go down that path.
And I've always had this idea, being a former police officer, is that normally people are wrongly convicted.
A lot of times those people are wrongly convicted of that case or maybe they just can't find enough evidence for them, but they probably did other stuff.
It's not like some random person living wholesome their whole life and then they get caught up in something.
A lot of times as people live in a degenerate life and that degeneracy lead them to a place that they probably should have never been and they got caught up in something.
And the same thing about Stephen Avery.
Like, oh, he was just so innocent.
He did 16 years.
He was going to do 30-something years in prison.
But if you look at his history, he had been doing things that he probably should have went to prison for a long time ago.
He had potentially been sexually assaulting people long before that.
Maybe that's not even recorded.
And so when you see that and you watch the documentary, you use your common sense, you say, yeah, it is compelling to believe that he may be innocent based on the documentary, but use common sense.
It's always two sides to the story.
Documentaries like that one normally take a side.
So you understand that they're taking a side.
There has to be another side.
And most people don't get caught up like this and get so deep into a trial after being wrongly convicted the first time.
It has to be something there.
But these people are operating in confirmation bias.
So they will look at anything that leads down the path of confirming what they believe and not looking at the truth at all.
Well, speaking of choosing sides, the documentary makers very clearly had their angle, and yet they pretended they didn't when they did their press tour, and they went around and they told people, no, no, no, no, we just wanted to tell the story.
We weren't omitting certain things for any reason whatsoever.
So let's formally debunk that and listen to what they say in their words versus what they say in prison calls to Stephen Avery himself.
Take a listen. We did not assume...
An advocacy role here.
You know, we were not interested in having an impact.
In fact, we worked very hard not to have an impact on the cases.
They came here to follow the story wherever it may lead.
And in the end, they claimed that it wasn't an advocacy piece and that they didn't pick a side.
Hello. Hello, Steve.
Hi, Laura. How are you?
All right. They were really there to determine if there was a problem with the criminal justice system.
I hear what you're saying and I believe what you're saying and I feel for you.
In the very first interview that the filmmakers did with Steven, Laura Ricciardi tells him that the reason that she wants to do the film is because she believes that it will help him in some way.
Well, I hope you can remain strong and hopeful in there.
I hope that what I'm doing with the film helps in some way.
I really believe that it will, and that's why I want to do it.
Well, thank you. My pleasure.
Thank you. But yet years later, after their film is released, the filmmakers suddenly back up on that claim.
They say that it didn't matter if Stephen was guilty or innocent.
As a matter of fact, they say that they tried really hard not to have an impact on the case.
They weren't involved.
We were not there to figure out what had happened to Teresa.
We weren't asking questions about the facts of the case.
But if you ask Steven, the filmmakers were very much involved in helping him with his defense.
And Laura, she's doing a good job.
She's doing a lot of investigation.
She's doing more than the public defender and my investigator.
Oh, I thought she was just going to make a movie and that was it.
No, she's going to make it.
She wants the truth. Well, then that's good if she's an investigator.
Yeah, you know, she's finding out a lot of stuff.
They were looking into things for him.
That thing from Milwaukee?
Yeah, yeah. When we learned or believed that they were sharing information with the defense attorneys, I subpoenaed their work.
They're now not media anymore.
They're now an investigative branch of the defense.
The filmmakers said over and over again in interviews that they were not journalists because journalists report the news.
And they're simply storytellers.
They're filmmakers. They don't have to follow the same guidelines the media does.
I don't consider myself a journalist.
I consider myself a filmmaker.
But yet they still claimed journalistic privilege in 2006 after the prosecutor subpoenaed them for their footage because he suspected that they were, in fact, giving information to Stephen Avery's attorneys.
We had to hire a lawyer and try to essentially quash that subpoena.
And they won that argument.
The judge ruled in their favor that this was journalism.
They would not have to turn over any of that because he couldn't find anything that showed that they were any type of arm of the defense.
They weren't investigating. We had very clear boundaries, too.
We did not talk about the facts of the case.
We weren't investigating the crime.
Hello? Yeah?
Did you talk to that new guy?
What, Chuckie just found out? No, I'm gonna call him when we get off the phone with you.
Your mom just gave me his info.
Oh, okay. Don't worry, we're on the case.
Okay. We're on the case.
I want to talk about the justice system being corrupt.
It's realizing that these two documentary makers basically got away with everything.
You go back and you really understand what happened to these police officers, how their lives were ruined because of a documentary, how they sought to prove that they were defamed in this documentary, they lost.
How they sought to prove that these women were on a press tour saying...
We are not journalists, documentary makers, and then present the exact opposite evidence to the court, and the court just accepted that they were flip-flopping on that narrative.
And that's really the place that I see the most injustice happening in the court system, is just the fact that Netflix and these documentary makers got away with it.
Later on in this episode, we show Netflix's emails that they, even though they said they had nothing to do with the documentary, they received awards for editing.
Actually, Netflix received awards for editing.
They were sending emails saying, you know, we want the family to look close-knit.
We want this person, like, really directing it like it was a play.
And no consequences for Netflix, no consequences for a documentary maker other than making,
you know, having millions of people watch it and obviously making a ton of money.
That's the consequence.
And that to me is such an injustice.
Yeah, 100%.
I mean, Stephen Avery was their meal ticket.
So, of course, they want to make him look good because he's the underdog.
Everybody wanted to see the underdog win.
And it plays on the emotions of the American people, all people all over the world.
Everybody wants to see the underdog win.
This was a perfect story to make an incredible amount of money.
And I don't think they cared about him no more than to tell him what he wanted to hear.
And make the documentary compelling enough so they can make a ton of money.
And I think that's all it boils down to.
And they know that people are gullible.
People are gullible to certain storylines.
And they exploited that tremendously, as I found out, you know, watching your documentary and comparing it to.
And that's all it is.
You know, of course they lied.
That's a lot of money being made.
That's a lot of popularity.
The court system, somebody knows somebody that knows somebody in that small town.
I'm pretty sure they can get away with murder just about in that town related to what they were doing.
So I'm not shocked.
I'm not surprised when it comes to these big conglomerates and them making a film and making it so global like they did that they're not going to get in trouble for it.
I think the suspension of morality for business, okay, I guess I can understand that in this capacity for Netflix because they were looking to grow their company very quickly.
But I am struck by it when it pertains to the two women.
You've got these lesbian documentary makers who essentially reburied Teresa.
Like, you know, I said it felt like they killed her in the afterlife.
I just don't know how as a woman, and I hate to say that as a woman, but I really do mean that, That you could understand, be this close to the trial, understanding exactly what happened to her, understanding that she was raped, understanding that you saw the full confession tape that you didn't show your audiences, that the 16-year-old said he just wanted to see what sex felt like, you know, that his uncle was high-fiving him and, you know, telling him, good boy, do you want to see what it feels like?
How you can know all of that, have access to all of that, understand that she was then not just, you know, raped, but she was shot, that she was burned.
And you go out and you make this documentary and you know that her family, who not only has to deal with this tremendous amount of grief, right, of losing someone that they had for 25 years who they loved more than anything, but now they have to deal with this second tidal wave of grief because people are convinced that there's some conspiracy here, that she's maybe still alive, that, you know, you guys are working with the police, that you staged this, that she never existed, however crazy it is.
Like, how do the documentary makers...
Put their head on a pillow at night.
Because that's why I always say in politics, for me, the most important thing, whether people love me or hate me, is that I can lay my head on a pillow at night and know that I told the truth, right?
And they don't have that urge at all.
Yeah, I mean, it's the type of person, you know, and I bet they're leftists, in my opinion, that they don't care about that.
It's irrelevant. You know, thinking back on it, you brought up an incredible point.
Watching the original documentary, I don't ever remember the focus being the young lady that was murdered.
No. All of it was Stephen Avery.
All of it was surrounded about was he innocent or guilty, but the horrific truth that this woman was murdered and the way she was potentially murdered.
Body burn, charge, and her bone fragments and her cameras and stuff were all burned in a barrel on his property.
He lied. People were potentially raped her and confessions.
I mean, this is, to be honest, it would have been good for her to gear the story towards the young lady who had been murdered.
That should have been the focal point.
But instead, it was the sensationalized one that's going to make everybody rich.
And these women don't care nothing about that woman.
That's my opinion. I don't know these women, but it doesn't appear that they care about that woman.
And it's very sad because there are other people involved in this that's not Stephen Avery fans that are on the other side that are just dying inside every time they see this.
And the young lady and her family was from that I think at least that town or near that town.
And they have to potentially drive by and see them still holding signs and saying that he's innocent and billboards.
It's horrific.
It reminds me a lot of the way that they did George Floyd.
And I don't want to rehash that, but imagine him having a statue somewhere and the woman that he conducted a home invasion on that was pregnant at the time.
She'd probably still have She's probably traumatized over that.
Have to drive by and see a statue of this crackhead every time she go by.
I mean, just reliving the pain is something that I think is shameful.
I would love to see them apologize at least for that and say, we did a documentary, we did what we did, but we are apologizing if we offended the family of the person who was deceased.
Right. And I am struck by that.
I think their silence right now is profound.
They know that this series is out.
They've had press reaching out to them, asking questions, what they think about it.
And they're silent. And they're now broken up because they were a couple.
They were a lesbian couple. They're now, you know, no longer together.
And I think that they probably have to sit and stew with that.
And money is never worth it.
That's why I always say keep your morals intact because the money is never going to be worth selling out and especially
doing something So horrific we did explore who Teresa Hall back was in this
last episode I hope you guys enjoyed that talked about her goals in life
Talked to her friends talked about the fact what she wanted to be a photographer
and and how much she loved taking pictures and you get to hear her voice and
Her talking about how much she loves everybody. So I hope that everybody enjoyed that
We did not want to make the same mistake as documentary makers and forget that this is really Teresa's story.
And she's not just a piece of this.
And she is somebody who deserved justice in the end.
And fortunately, because Stephen Avery and Brandon Dassey are locked up, she did receive
that justice.
I believe her family did receive that justice.
And I hope that we contributed by un-brainwashing the masses.
We are out of time, but I do want to at least read three or four of your comments.
I'll read them really quickly.
Candace, you did it.
I was Team Avery and Dassey for years.
I was on the fence in the beginning of the series.
I subscribed to Daily Wire Plus finally for this.
But wow, I thought Stephen was just so sweet, simple, and innocent, but I was so wrong.
And Brandon, he really did do it.
He could have apologized.
Did his time and been out by now.
Shame, his family is backwards and twisted.
Candace, good work.
Next comment, I wasn't the least bit surprised to learn about Stephen abusing Brandon.
That was a huge drop. And Brendan was talking on the prison phone calls about how Stephen used to touch him, too.
From early on in this series, we've both seen and heard about his abusive tendencies.
I absolutely think he threatened Brendan's life if he told anybody about it.
I don't know if it makes me evil because I don't have sympathy for Brendan.
He had an opportunity to call 911 or tell his mom what happened, and he didn't.
He, Brendan, was Teresa's only lifeline, and I imagine her eyes pleading with him to help save her.
But he ultimately chose not to be the hero that he could have been, but rather a cold-blooded rapist and a murderer.
The only person I feel sympathy for is Teresa Hallback.
I would say the same.
That's how I feel after listening to Brennan's confession.
I just wanted to see what it felt like.
It was such a 16-year-old thing to say.
Let you know that, yes, is he stupid?
Yes. Is he low IQ? Yes.
But the fact that he recalled everything in such incredible detail.
I think Netflix tried to make people think that he was mentally retarded.
And he wasn't mentally retarded.
He was just somebody who wanted to have sex.
And 16-year-olds are impulsive.
And for him, that transpired as rape.
Lastly, I believe Stephen abused Brendan and his cousins physically and even sexually.
That being said, Brendan's mom did not protect him and did not tell him to take a plea.
The opposite, in fact. But I believe Brendan is where he belongs, listening to the phone calls and the confessions.
So we've had tons of you guys pouring in telling us that I changed your mind, right?
Just by showing you more information, which is always my goal, is to just allow people to make decisions, but give them all of the information.
You know, don't leave things out because you want people to be tailored to your narrative or whatever it is.
And this was something that was a challenge for me because people were really committed and they were like, stay out of this case.
We've followed this for years.
So I love hearing these comments.
Brandon, your last thoughts.
I almost called you Brendan Dasty.
I'm sorry about that. Thank God.
Your last thoughts.
No, I think you did an incredible job.
You know, I was skeptical at the very beginning.
I'm not going to lie. I said, I don't know how she's going to surmount this amount of evidence because the original documentary was very compelling.
But I think that there was a lot of points during these series...
That really showed a different side of Brandon Dassey, showed a different side of Steven Avery, just the fact that he had potentially a sexual encounter with Brandon Dassey and manipulated him.
That was something that I didn't expect to happen, and that changes a lot.
Even his communication with his ex, his ex-wife, or one of them, where he was talking about he was going to kill her, sending the messages to the kids.
To talk to her through the kids.
Happy Easter. When daddy gets out, I'm going to kill your mommy.
I'm going to mutilate your mom.
Anybody that's an innocent man that have done that much time in prison for something he didn't do wouldn't come out and be a raging lunatic enough to tell your kids you're going to mutilate their mom.
It seems like he is the person that obviously has been revealed.
And I think you did a really good job.
And that was a big challenge.
And I was like, Candace is my girl.
Please don't go down like this.
But I said, Candace, she must have a smoking gun at one of these segments.
And sure, you did. And I'm sure a lot of people, even my wife and other people that I've invited to watch, they've been like skeptical at the beginning.
And now they're starting to see that there's a lot of room to question what the original documentary had presented.
So good job, Candace.
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And I will say this back at home. If you still think that Stephen Avery is a teddy bear, I challenge you to marry him from prison.
You go for it. You go, girl or boy.
You write him some love letters and keep us posted on it.
Brandon, thank you for joining me. That is all the time that we have for today.
Have a great weekend, everybody.
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