Candace Owens joins Whatever Podcast expecting a sex-work discussion but confronts OnlyFans professionals, including those who "save marriages" by sleeping with clients’ partners. A 22-year-old stripper describes insecure men—some crying over her dancing—while Owens argues their behavior reflects societal degradation, not insecurity. She coins "hoflation" as the decline of traditional values, blaming pornography and platforms like Instagram for normalizing body commodification. Participants dismiss faith, with one calling a cross "cute" and another rejecting prayer, revealing Owens’ belief in a cultural shift toward fame and perversion over spiritual connection. The episode underscores her view that modern America’s obsession with sex and spectacle is eroding moral foundations. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm assuming that my listeners probably don't watch the Whatever Podcast.
And of everything that was laid out before me on this press tour, I have to be honest, I really did not understand why I was booked on this show.
I had not seen it before, and my understanding was that This host, Brian, allows a bunch of sex workers to sit in a circle, and he sometimes has a conservative on, to talk about their jobs.
So it didn't seem like the right fit for me to be sitting across from these ladies as they talked about their OnlyFans careers or talked about the various sex work that they do as proud prostitutes.
I remember dreading this. I was talking to a PR person.
I'm like, why do I have to do this?
This makes entirely no sense to me.
And boy, am I glad that I sat down on that podcast.
Boy, am I glad that I was booked to do this show because it turns out that you actually can learn a lot from hoes.
So let me just set this up for you before I show you a few clips from the show.
Essentially, I was invited to sit down.
Every girl across the table said what they did for a living.
One girl was a singer, and she leaned conservatively.
But everyone else, there was one girl who was on OnlyFans, but she only takes her top off.
There was another person who was on OnlyFans.
There was two women that were prostitutes and said, essentially, that they help to save
marriages.
Yep, you heard me correctly.
Because of them and the work that they do as prostitutes and as sex therapists, they
sleep with your man so that your marriage can be saved.
Now of these two proud prostitutes, one of them was just 22 years old.
And I'm going to show you guys a clip of her talking about how men that date her are actually
insecure.
Take a listen.
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I've had no issues being a legal prostitute just because I haven't been dating anybody
within this time for that year.
As for everything else, it's hard dating.
I've ran into a lot of insecure men.
Typically, those are the ones that can't handle me doing what I do for work.
Just a point of clarification.
So, you've run into a lot of insecure men, and are they insecure because they don't want to date you because you are currently active as a prostitute?
No, I'm saying I've never dated a guy while working at the brothels at the Bunny Ranch or the Mustang Ranch.
But I've been dating guys between me doing camming and dancing.
So that's what I'm talking about.
But you mentioned insecure men.
What specifically are they doing that makes them insecure?
Is it because they're insecure about your work?
Yes, like I've had exes in the past that would cry about me going to work to dance at the strip club.
I've had guys try to control what I wear and say that I can't work at strip clubs or do OnlyFans or whatever.
Oh, sorry, was there more?
No, and that's... Okay, is it because they're insecure or is that just them having boundaries and standards?
I feel like that's...
I mean, you knew what I was doing before you met me, right?
So all of them knew exactly what I was doing before they met me, which brings it to, yeah, if you have a problem with what I do before you meet me, maybe don't get involved with me.
I thought that sitting across from these young women, it was going to make me angry, but what I actually felt was a tremendous sadness for that young woman that you're listening to, because I have a daughter, and the concept of a 22-year-old young girl Sleeping with up to 10 men per night, which is something that she mentioned earlier in the show, 5 to 10 people, clients that she will see in one day, actually saddens me.
It breaks my heart.
And to listen to her justify why her relationships are not working out and to We place it onto insecure men, as she describes them, and not her line of work, not actually what might be men caring about her, men wanting her to get out of this lifestyle.
Does she have a point that, well, they already knew I was doing this?
Yeah, okay, sure, you're right.
They probably shouldn't have been drawn to you in the first place.
But the point is that once they try to get you away from this lifestyle, it's not an indicator of insecure men.
It actually could be an indicator that people think that you're better than the career that you have.
Her justification is that she's making money.
Later on, she says that she's going to get out of sex work and then she'll be fine and she's just going to get married happily ever after.
When I explained to them why it was that none of them were in relationships, barring the one 31-year-old on the far right that was sitting there and who is, I think she was 32 or 31 and is currently not married, that of course...
When men learn and you are older and in your 30s or in your 40s that you used to be a prostitute, it is going to narrow your prospects, not because men are insecure, but because men have standards, right?
And men should have standards, which brought us forth to the topic of what is being dubbed hoflation.
A friend of mine, Paul Joseph Watson, has a YouTube channel.
And he spoke about this concept of hoflation, hoe plus inflation, where when your grandparents, or rather your grandfather, was growing up, he had to do less work to find him a high-quality woman, a woman that wanted to stay in the home, a woman that dressed conservatively, a woman that wanted to raise the children, a woman who did not want to be out sleeping with tons of men or putting her naked body on the, of course, then non-existent internet, right, wanting people to see her naked.
Now he's saying men have to work harder to find those same women.
They call this concept hoflation.
And you are seeing it in this environment as you speak to these women and they talk about how the money that they get is a justification for this lifestyle.
And they speak down about men.
They have this fundamental hatred of men.
Or... I'm going to show you another clip from this conversation where that same young woman who I honestly felt like, and I never say this, that she was possessed by a demon.
She really was. And she was growing frustrated in me remaining logical and explaining to her that obviously her career was going to follow her for the rest of her life.
And she tried to, I guess, trigger me as she was explaining how she saves marriages.
And she tried to trigger me by creating a what-if scenario regarding my own husband.
Take a listen to her. And I do want to go ahead and put a trigger warning on because you may have some kids in the background.
This is not something for children to hear.
She's really about to jump into her brothel mindset, I would say.
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Take a listen. A lot of the perversion that comes...
If you are not going to be acceptant with your partner, if he comes to you and is like, Hey, I really like getting pegged.
He's like, hey, babe. I think one of the things about marriage that's really beautiful is I know what my husband, before we got married, I think I know who he is.
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But things change, and maybe he wants to start exploring.
He wants to start doing what? So he wants to start exploring, and he's like, oh my gosh, maybe I do want you to eat my a**.
What? And I kind of want you to peg me.
I kind of want...
Anal penetration from you because you're my wife and you're so beautiful and hot.
And we're married and we have kids together and I'm feeling a little bit kinky.
And with you, since we have this special marriage and bond, how would you feel if we could just try this out just this one time, babe, please?
I think it would probably indicate to me that my husband was involved in some perverse world, whether it was through pornography, that something else was happening on the side.
Because these aren't normal things that people just think of when they wake up.
So what's your next move? I would think that that individual would probably need therapy and not the kind that you give.
Yeah, when I was saying not the kind that you gave, I was pointing to a woman that was in her 40s who said that she's a sex therapist and she sleeps with other women's husbands and it actually helps their marriages.
Yeah, so what was weird about that is suddenly it seemed like she was suffering from a demonic possession, like she was just a Chucky doll and she was just trying to say the most perversion that she could possibly say to trigger me.
I didn't feel triggered by it.
I felt disturbed that a 22-year-old was even coming up with this concept and I realized that her entire reality had been warped.
Because she works in a brothel and she sees up to 10 clients per day.
And you have to imagine that she thinks that this must represent what all men are like.
It never occurred to her that actually she is seeing the most debased, pathetic men that are in this society today, right?
She is seeing men that have drug addiction.
She is seeing men that have sex addiction.
She is seeing men that have gone so far into their perversions that they might actually be requesting this from her.
It is not the average man that goes into a brothel.
It is not the average, happily married man that has these perverse thoughts.
And yet she thinks that it's the norm.
Her and this other sex worker think that it's the norm, and that therefore, they are helping to save marriages
because, well, it must be all men that want this.
This is where society is going today, and this is why I spend so much time talking about perversity,
talking about pornography, talking about the ills, not just of graphic pornography,
which her mind is utterly polluted by because it's a form of her every single day.
It's a facet of her every single day, but also the soft pornography
that we have all become accustomed to, the pornography that we see when we scroll Instagram,
and you have Instagram models with their butt cheeks and their chests out.
This is the stuff that is desensitizing us, right?
It is desensitizing all of us.
We're all victims to it. I say this all the time.
When I see an ad, I don't even flinch when I see a woman holding a purse and she's half naked because we have become accustomed to seeing it everywhere.
And where is it leading to?
Where it is leading to women that are quite literally prostituting themselves in the internet because they know that they can make a quick buck.
And you can do that. It's true.
I think later on in the show, after I left, one of them mentioned that they make half a million dollars per year.
It's going to come at a cost, obviously.
If you want to make half a million dollars in your early 20s or in your late 20s, then you're going to realize that nobody wants to marry you.
Nobody wants to have children with you.
Nobody respects you for the rest of your life, right?
The possibility that you might be alone, that's deeply, deeply saddening.
And what's worse than this, by the way, is that all of these women, we talk about how faith is at the root of all this, a lack of faith, atheism, which is hand in hand with narcissism, a focus on the self, what can I do for myself?
These words don't even have a meaning. This is why it's like, we're out of stage, people are like, what is a woman?
Because they just go, well, we're going to call it a marriage, but we're going to sleep with other people, we're going to bring in prostitutes, we're going to outsource raising the kids, or we're never going to have kids.
You're calling it a family, it's not a family, and this is what it is.
Okay, I asked you why you're wearing the cross and you said because you thought it was cute.
Yeah, and I do. I'm glad we got an answer.
She's wearing the cross around her neck because she thinks it's cute.
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I do. I'm not religious. Would you also wear, like, a Star of David?
It's cute. Like, if it was cute, would you wear it?
Well, okay, well, I don't know where we're going.
I'm asking that because I wonder, like, my guess is that you would think that maybe you wouldn't wear a Star of David because you're like, oh, this is maybe, like, disrespectful to people who are Jewish.
Would you wear a yarmulke if you thought it was cute? No, I wouldn't.
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I mean, a yarmulke is completely different than a cross that's been adapted.
You can buy a cross necklace anywhere.
The argument of why it's different basically would come down to how Catholicism has been practiced versus Judaism in the sense that Catholics did use the cross symbol, tried to place it in indigenous populations, tried to spread it as much as possible.
And that's why in modern day a lot of people think that's more okay because it was meant to be popularized.
It was meant to be a symbol that the masses should look up to and should see in general versus Jewish symbols.