Aug. 11, 2023 - Candace Owens
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| Well, Vivek, what's happened necessarily now that people are looking at the polls and suddenly you're seeing Ramaswamy next to DeSantis, who they thought was going to be way up with Donald Trump, is people are going, who is this guy? | |
| Who is Vivek? Where did he come from? | |
| And people are starting to hone in and wonder, ask some questions about you. | |
| And they're going through your book now. | |
| They're going through every statement you've ever made in the past. | |
| It's necessary. You're kind of going through this historical autopsy of sorts. | |
| sorts. And one area that I think people had a lot of questions was regarding January 6th. | |
| There were some people that felt that you flip-flopped on your messaging when January | |
| 6th took place versus what you could be saying now. And Rogan, you were one of the people | |
| that felt this way. You said the messaging was switched. So I'll just let you ask him | |
| directly of what you felt he said and how you think his message has changed. | |
| Yeah. So, you know, I also was like many surprised at Vivek's rise. | |
| And I saw at the Turning Point conference, people were cheering for him. | |
| And I'm like, who even is this guy? | |
| I've never seen a critical interview. | |
| And so I started to dig because, as people are pretty well aware, I'm a Trump supporter, have been since 2016. | |
| And the first thing that came across my mind is, why is this guy running against Trump as Trump is being indicted? | |
| And then I started to dig a little deeper on, you know, Twitter, and I came across some passages from your book. | |
| And I don't know which book it is. | |
| It's one of the two. | |
| But it talks about January 6th, and it says, it was a dark day for democracy. | |
| The loser of the last election refused to concede the race, claimed the Do you think that the 2020 election was fair? | |
| Do you think that Joe Biden got the most votes in American history? | |
| Or do you think 2020 was rigged? | |
| So I'll answer that. | |
| I think 2020 was rigged specifically by big tech, but I just want to say something at the outset, because this is the first time we're meeting, is that I've actually been a longtime fan of your tweets particularly, and I understand that I did a little bit come out of nowhere. | |
| I was in the business world. | |
| I had no public footprint at all until 2020 and then really 2021 when I stepped down from my job as a CEO. So I invite the scrutiny. | |
| Some of it's bad faith, but then I take someone like you and I understand your heart is actually in this for the country as opposed to some of the other trolls. | |
| And so that's why I'm engaging with this directly. | |
| So let me be really clear about something. | |
| I've written three books in the last 18 months. | |
| That passage has now been floating around Twitter. | |
| I'd encourage you to read the book or at least even the chapter that that came from. | |
| Those lines were tongue-in-cheek in part because those were the opening words of the chapter. | |
| It was a dark day for democracy. | |
| The winner refused to concede the election, raised hundreds of millions of dollars. | |
| Those exact words I'm referring to, of course, Stacey Abrams. | |
| That was literally the opening paragraph of that chapter. | |
| And it turned out that those words were literally borrowed from a description of somebody else criticizing Donald Trump that I then cut and pasted. | |
| So, look, I have detailed messaging on all of this, but you read that chapter and you read that book. | |
| It's easy for someone to airlift something out of Nation of Victims without reading the whole book. | |
| It was literally a satirical chapter that started with those words that someone had used against Donald Trump with Stacey Abrams as the punchline. | |
| And here's the thing about the books I've written. | |
| I wasn't writing them with any intention of running for president, right? | |
| And so otherwise you'd read them and can this be misquoted? | |
| No. These are, if I may say so myself, I would say intellectual books. | |
| These are not candidate books, okay? | |
| These are books that were written in part of a career, three books in 20 months. | |
| Candace, and probably you, I don't know if you've written books as well, understand what it takes to write one. | |
| I've written three and they're not candidate books. | |
| Are deeply introspective books. | |
| So much so that actually even some of the things that I said in Woke Inc, I've moved a little bit from today. | |
| What did I say in that book and I stand by it today? | |
| Two things that I think are really important points. | |
| The 2020 election was stolen principally by big tech. | |
| The Google search algorithms that suppressed actual stories that you could have read on Donald Trump. | |
| Hunter Biden laptop story suppressed on the eve of an election. | |
| There's definitive data showing that that actually would have changed the outcome of the election. | |
| I personally find that data, just like in terms of the raw numbers, even stronger than the data that's yet been presented on ballot fraud, though I think both existed. | |
| I've been very clear about where I stand on ballot fraud. | |
| Single day voting, election day as holiday, has to be paper ballots. | |
| And by the way, government issued ID matching the voter file. | |
| But I think what's more important to understand as well, and I talk about this in this book, | |
| is 2016 was actually even the other election that was stolen from Donald Trump, | |
| the election that he supposedly won, where he wasn't allowed to govern for those four years. | |
| And so the only thing I would say is, there'll be a lot of things that you and I | |
| may have slightly different points of view on. | |
| I think these will exist. | |
| But all I'll ask is, I know you're an intellectual as well. | |
| You're a guy who cares about the country. | |
| Read the books, not some sort of screenshot from Twitter of a purposefully airlifted passage. | |
| And about January 6th, with Candace mentioned, and I saw this in one of your tweets too, and I just want to address this, Rogan, just so you're aware. | |
| Somebody floated a passage where I said what Trump did that day was reprehensible on January 6th. | |
| I said this shortly thereafter. | |
| And again, that's another airlift. | |
| Read what it was. That wasn't a tweet from me. | |
| That was a reply to somebody else's tweet in response to a Wall Street Journal piece | |
| that I wrote two days after January 6th or in the days after January 6th. | |
| I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal that said that censorship, | |
| systematic censorship in this country was the cause of January 6th. | |
| And in particular, it was government using tech companies to silence speech. | |
| And I said that that would be a friendly parley compared to what's to come. | |
| Somebody then asked me, do you excuse what Donald Trump did on that day? | |
| And I wanted to be clear, and it's something I'm saying today too, | |
| is that no, I would not have handled January 6th And that's a fact, and maybe you and I can disagree on that. | |
| I said it then, I stand by it today. | |
| But just like I said in the days after January 6th, which caused multiple advisors to my company to resign, which caused me to face great personal cost in the seat that I was in as a biotech CEO, that's the same thing I'm saying today. | |
| And so that's a long way of saying we may still have our disagreements, But I'd love to have those disagreements with the full context of what I've said, rather than airlifting passages. | |
| I'm not accusing you of doing that, but that's what I've seen circulating a lot. | |
| And let's have real disagreements instead of fake ones. | |
| That's all I would say. So, Vivek, I'm just going to jump in here because I did not know, obviously, what you were going to say as an answer to that. | |
| And guilty as charged, when I saw the things being passed around, I actually thought maybe, yeah, maybe he actually did say this. | |
| And I will completely own the fact that I did not read it and I cannot defend, I cannot further offend it because, obviously, what you're saying in defense makes sense, that it was airlifted. | |
| Rogan, did you actually read the full chapter either or did you also see what was circulating? | |
| Okay, so what's funny about that, as a Trump supporter... | |
| It's not my main point. | |
| So let me preface by saying I respect Vivek for coming on and having this discussion, knowing that I'm a very vocal critic. | |
| My main point is that Vivek does not believe there was actual election fraud with the ballots, that he can watch something like 2,000 Mules. | |
| Did you see 2,000 Mules, Vivek? | |
| I've seen part of it, I have to admit. | |
| I did not finish it. I highly recommend you go watch it because it's probably one of the most important documentaries in recent history that showed We're good to go. | |
| Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of ballots, that if at 3 a.m. | |
| in the Detroit TCF arena, they didn't drop off hundreds of thousands of ballots on video, that the Gateway Pundit has exposed, that they were banned from Twitter, that there was no Republican supervisors, that we saw vote spikes in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania overnight in the dead of night, that they shut down Georgia for a water pipe break, and then suddenly they pull out ballots out of the If you don't think that there's election fraud, in my opinion, that is disqualifying for anyone running in the GOP, because this is not Politics as normal. | |
| Let me just say one thing to that. I want to just jump in here. | |
| I just want to jump in here. And so first and foremost, I will say that I believe that there was election fraud. | |
| And I've made that statement over and over again. | |
| I do too, for example. I've tweeted that. | |
| Yeah. I mean, by the way, mail-in ballot fraud. | |
| 100% agree with Roganama's point. | |
| I do want to say let's not bifurcate here because it is relevant to say that there are Can I just say one thing? | |
| Yeah, yeah, sure. Go ahead. | |
| Based on everything I've seen, believe there was absolutely ballot fraud. | |
| Rogan, here's one of the things I'll say is, we all have our areas of expertise. | |
| Until I decided to enter the political arena, as opposed to criticizing stakeholder capitalism and the World Economic Forum agenda and central bank digital currencies and ESG, where my focus has been, this has not been an area where I've dived as deep. | |
| So what I will say is, yes, there's been ballot fraud. | |
| What I see that is damningly convincing, driven by data... | |
| Absolutely. I have seen enough data to know that the 2020 outcome of the election would have been different if the Hunter Biden laptop story had not been suppressed. | |
| If Google had not made an illegal campaign contribution of the largest scale in human history to the Biden campaign by suppressing and changing the way search algorithms works. | |
| So there, I'm actually definitively convinced that it changed the outcome of the election. | |
| I haven't said that it didn't in the case of the ballot fraud. | |
| I just said truthfully, and it's a fact now, and I'm very open to data to convince me of it. | |
| I haven't seen data of that scale on the election-changing outcome, and that's what I've said, and I'm open about that. | |
| But I just want to be clear always where my views are and where they aren't. | |
| And so that's, I think, a fair discussion for us to have. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Thank you. | |
| And it is something that I feel in my heart and my soul to be true, that there was massive mail-in ballot fraud. | |
| All right, guys, if you liked this video, you are definitely going to like the full episode even better. |
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