Charlie Kirk and Mark Beckman dismantle the "right-wing violence" narrative, citing DOJ raids on Somali businesses and Ilhan Omar's financial discrepancies as proof of Democratic corruption. They condemn Jimmy Kimmel's rhetoric while highlighting that left-wing violence now outweighs right-wing attacks. The discussion emphasizes that conservatives lag in grassroots organizing, with door-to-door canvassing proving far more effective than phone calls. Ultimately, the episode argues mainstream media engages in propaganda to absolve the left of responsibility for political violence, urging a shift toward relational community building over digital arguments. [Automatically generated summary]
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Fighting Evil and Proclaiming Truth00:08:47
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Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's April 28th, 2026.
We are here at the YRefi Studio in Phoenix, Arizona.
Let me get centered up.
Blake, how are we doing?
We're doing spectacular today.
Well, I agree because we had one mission today.
One mission was to figure out a way to seamlessly include A months old clip of Ilhan Omar misreading World War II as World War 11.
And boom, presto.
Yeah, the vice president himself delivered.
The vice president, JD Vance himself, has delivered the perfect tie in.
And the tie in is that there are DOJ led raids happening in Minneapolis, Minnesota, targeting fraud.
Now, these are not DHS raids.
This is not an ICE raid.
These are Department of Justice led raids.
Raids, the FBI, on a crackdown of mostly Somali run companies in the Minneapolis area that have been defrauding U.S. taxpayers.
So we'll just give you a quick little summary right here.
SOP 41.
Large scale raids targeting federal fraud currently underway.
Federal agents seen leaving the Quality Learning Center.
Federal agents just going in and out of the building collecting evidence as part of the DOJ's fraud investigation.
In Minnesota.
Take a look at this video here.
Sources tell Fox that federal agents are raiding about 22 businesses across Minneapolis this morning.
And sources say many of them are tied to Somali owned operations.
Somali run operations.
The weirdest part about that whole clip is that it feels weird to call it the Quality Learning Center.
Is that the name?
It's not the name.
But it's not the name.
The name has now become the Quality Learning Center.
If you are going to Create a company that says you are a quality learning center and you misspell the word learning.
There's more than a few layers of weirdness there, of irony.
And so the Quality Leary Center is one of the 20 locations that have been raided in Minneapolis.
But this is what's great about this.
And I want to give a massive hat tip to the vice president here because this was a portfolio item, domestic focus.
It's after what happened with Nick Shirley, who we've had on the show a couple of times.
Actually, Blake just interviewed him in Phoenix not too long ago.
This was a moment that the administration could capitalize on.
So, right, we've got all these distractions abroad, foreign, all this stuff.
He's meeting with the King of England, King Charles, today, which actually will be a very interesting story, and I want to get into it in a bit.
But you've got all of this going on internationally, and the base is desperate for domestic wins.
They want something done here at home.
They want to see their tax dollars be protected.
They want to see the border closed.
They want to see accountability in COVID.
They want to see accountability for the Russia hoax.
They want all of that, right?
And we've got news on that, too, by the way.
Yeah, on the COVID stuff.
This is all the flip side of basically the border that everyone saw foreigners flooding into the U.S. under Biden, under every prior administration, just being given.
Free housing, a free trip to basically whatever city.
They got a better deal than they did.
And on the flip side, they've also seen there's a sense America's got scams going on everywhere.
You can go to any downtown and you see a lot of businesses that are very consistently in the same handful of industries.
You very rarely see activity at them.
In Minneapolis, it's famously daycares.
In Los Angeles, it's famous hospices.
In New York, they have these kind of senior activity adult daycare centers.
That's a big scam that I'm sure the vice president will look into.
And All of this is happening around the country.
Everyone's got the sense if you're in basically a foreign immigrant group that's clannish, doesn't talk to the police that much, you can get infinity money from the government because nobody's checking it.
Now the vice president is checking it.
Well, and so I want to just assure you guys.
So if you're JD Vance, all right, you've got, let's just understand the dynamic.
So JD is in a situation where he's now publicly, because of the New York Times article, sort of put himself in a position of being against foreign intervention, okay?
That puts him.
At a little bit of odds with the president right now because the president made the decision to go into Iran.
So, if you're kind of assessing how to best manage the portfolio that you've been given, you want to go all in on this fraud thing.
And I think JD sees this as a massive opportunity to push deep into an area that is of great concern to the American voters, especially the conservative base.
And I love that he's sinking his teeth in.
He is absolutely going full bore ahead because it's like every week there's a new announcement.
So, for example, we've got also previously, I want to make sure I get the clips just right.
We previously, I think this was last week, if not 10 days ago, the vice president advanced that the anti fraud task force that he chairs suspended 447 hospice providers and 23 home health agencies in Los Angeles alone.
The total fraud by these particularly fake providers is estimated to be over 600.
Million dollars.
So he's got the Learning Center now on his list and working with the DOJ and the FBI.
And by the way, his urgency, his leadership is so critical in this way.
Then they announced that they're looking at $2 trillion in Medicare and Medicaid.
They're going through it all $2 trillion, $101 billion of SNAP benefits, $100 billion in the SBA loans, $64 billion in public housing, $43.5 billion in unemployment insurance, $16 billion in the Needy Families program.
It doesn't mean that some of the people receiving these benefits are not worthy.
It's not legit.
Some of them might be exactly who we're trying to help, but there is a lot of fraud in there.
And I love that we are seeing updates week by week.
And we're not just seeing updates, we're seeing video of raids happening at the Quality Learning Center now in Somalia.
And there's so much stuff to dig into stuff that flashes by as a headline and then you forget about.
So you mentioned SNAP, for example.
And I saw a stat the other day in 2000, about 3% of Massachusetts children were on SNAP.
Now it's 15%.
And another thing, another one of those communities that's tied to a lot of fraud claims, there was a grocery store run by Haitians in Massachusetts where it was just entirely a SNAP based fraud operation.
And one of the things they were literally doing is they were importing food aid that had been sent to Haiti back into the United States so that they could hawk it to get SNAP fraud.
There's so many of these things.
It's such low hanging fruit for the government to go after.
And it's a good win, and it's a good way to communicate the idea that this administration is focused on ordinary Americans, focused on breaking apart the many, many, many ways that American life feels like a scam today, like you're a sucker if you just pay your taxes and follow the law.
So, what we want is an America where everybody wants to play by the rules because they know if they break the law, if they try and defraud taxpayers and scam the system, they are going to be held accountable, and everybody buys in.
Breaking the American Life Scam00:06:26
That's what you want.
But you don't buy in when somebody else is getting a free.
Free ride.
You don't do it because all of a sudden you're like, how come I'm putting myself through all of this hell?
I shouldn't.
I should, you know what?
The system is rigged against me.
I should rip it off.
That's what Hassan Piker and the likes of them want you to believe.
Guess what?
There is good when you put off your satisfaction, when you have delayed gratification, when you save your money, when you work hard, when you raise your family, when you do things the right way, when you love your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, when you do things right.
You should be rewarded in America.
That's the deal.
That's the compact.
Let's get back to that.
That's why I love this story so much.
And again, bravo to JD Vance for leading the charge.
His leadership, I want you to understand, is so critically important.
It makes the whole government roll out like a red carpet in front of him.
So it's super, super important that he's taken the lead here.
Again, I started this show saying we were looking for an excuse to play the Ilhan Omar clip.
Because as you know, World War II can be written in different ways.
Sometimes you'll see it World War and the numeral two, sometimes you'll see just like a Like LL, basically.
Roman numerals.
Roman numerals, right?
Of the two.
And so this clip was unearthed from months ago.
We somehow missed it.
And then somebody unearthed it and it went viral again.
And we thought, what the heck?
What a great opportunity to absolutely troll one of the worst members of Congress who should not be in Congress, who deserves to be expelled from Congress, who hates the country, who is an ingrate, Ilhan the ingrate Omar, who is living here.
High on the hog off of American generosity, and she despises us for it.
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I want to thank my partner in this, Senator Hirono, for her leadership in this work to repeal the outdated and dangerous Alien Enemies Act of 1798.
The last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants during World War 11.
It's so great.
What's so great is she even pauses briefly, like something's a little weirder, and then forges ahead.
She does correct, if you watch the full clip, she corrects herself shortly after, but it doesn't really matter that much.
Flubbing World War II as World War XI should not happen because, but you can see how it happens because she's basically just reading it word by word off the paper.
It's a little anchorman moment.
She just doesn't know what she's talking about, such that she could ad lib on the fly, where you should just know, oh, German, Italian, Italian.
Japanese, oh, that means World War II.
Doesn't know that, doesn't register in her mind.
Best and brightest.
You know, some of the crass commentators online are going to make references to IQ rates in Somalia.
We're not going to go there, okay?
That's not what we're saying.
Okay, Charles.
We're just saying that Ilhan Omar is ill equipped and ill suited to be serving in Congress, an illustrious, prestigious post, and she should be dealt with swiftly.
I did ask, it reminded me of this clip.
We asked Comer, James Comer, who is the chair of House Oversight.
Briefly about this because there's, I don't know if anybody in the audience has been paying attention, but there's been a slew of departures from the House because of ethics complaints.
SOP 48.
Well, again, thank you for leading the charge here, Congressman.
It's great to see you again.
Come back soon.
The House Oversight, powerful role.
You guys got all kinds of stuff going on this week, by the way.
You're voting to kick out Congressman left and right, and I'm, you know, I'm kind of here for it.
If you have an update on Ilhan Omar, let me know, sir.
Well, she's in a lot of trouble, and we're doing everything we can to drain the swamp.
Ah, so she's in a lot of trouble.
We can hope, we can hope.
I mean, there's a lot of things they could get at.
The classic story with Omar, of course, is her alleged seems more likely than not incestuous marriage to her brother.
For those who've forgotten that one, this is all that was all uncovered by those fellows at Powerline blog who we've had on here.
And this is apparently big, I don't even want to say urban legend, it's a big story within the Somali community in Minneapolis because Omar she had this long religious marriage only within her community and was never legal.
With Ahmed Hersey.
That appears to have been normal religious Islamic marriage.
They had several children.
Then they separated, and she legally, but not religiously, married this fellow Ahmed Nur Saeed Elmi, who was a British national who came to the US to attend college.
But the claim is that if you just look at his name, basically he just is her brother.
Then they ended up in different countries because they were in refugee camps in Somalia.
Very long story.
And Apparently, the claim is she would have just had a fake marriage with him to get better housing at the University of North Dakota.
And it's so comical because the Star Tribune, the Washington Post, they'll do these fake investigations where they'll just go, well, you know, Omar says it didn't happen and we don't have records from Somalia.
So there's just no way to check.
It's just not possible.
But yet, we should just let these people into our.
Okay.
Regardless if it's true or not, Blake, the fact that they are saying there aren't enough record keeping in Somalia to prove it one way or the other is.
Actually, exhibit A of why we shouldn't be letting these people into our country.
If you are from a country that can't even manage your own books, you can't record keep, I don't care.
I don't want you here because I don't know you.
And, matter of fact, that goes for a lot of different countries, by the way.
And good on the Trump administration.
We talked about the fraud win, we can talk about the immigration win.
There's a lot of countries that have basically been put on the blacklist that they are not allowed into the country.
So these things are happening quietly behind the scenes.
So, for all you accelerationists out there that want to burn it all down, well, listen.
We're stopping a lot of this stuff before it gets here now.
And that didn't happen before.
And it won't happen if you have a Democrat at the highest office.
And there's more we should find.
We'd be remiss if we wouldn't mention, and this might have even been what Komar was talking about.
Ilan Omar's also got sketchy financial stuff right now.
Why wouldn't she?
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She, as reported in the Wall Street Journal, she recently revised her net worth down from $30 million to under $100,000.
And she and her husband said, oh, yeah, that was an error by our accountant.
Yeah, my accountant makes $30 million errors.
And one's net worth all the time.
That sounds like you have a Somali fraudster accountant that conveniently did some cooking of the books there for you.
And I think the lady doth protest too much because now I just, if you're worth $100,000 and you're married to this guy and he's like a finance guy, now I'm just judging you for being terrible at your job, terrible at your business.
Once again, you shouldn't be here if you're that bad at business.
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Without further ado, we have a great guest here that is an aide to Melania Trump.
So, Melania has been in the news a lot lately, and we haven't talked about it a lot on this show.
So, Mark Beckman, he's a senior advisor to First Lady of Melania Trump.
He's the CEO of DMA United, and he's the producer of the film Melania, which was a huge hit.
So, Mark, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me.
It's great to be here.
Yeah, we're honored to have you.
You're also the author of Some Future Day How AI is Going to Change Everything.
So, you're kind of a renaissance man.
You're producing films, you've got your own agency, you've got a book, and you're the advisor to Melania Trump, First Lady Melania Trump.
She has obviously been in the news because of what happened at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.
I was there, I was hiding under a table.
You know, my first thought was when it happened.
I looked up to the dais, to the stage to see if President Trump was still there, if anything had happened to him.
My personal thought in that moment, Mark, was did they shoot Trump?
Because I had no idea what happened.
In the room, it was just mass chaos.
So we didn't know what had happened.
Did they rush the room and get an injured president off the stage?
We just had no idea.
And I instantly thought of Melania and I thought of Erica.
And then you see this Kimmel clip.
That comes out where he says, and we have it, we could play it.
But then Melania issues a statement condemning it.
It's not funny.
Tell us about your relationship with her and how she's handling this moment.
Sure.
So, just, you know, thanks for giving me a second to give you my background.
I have a cross discipline practice.
I spend about 100% of my time, including weekends and holidays, working on behalf of the First Lady.
What I do with her as her senior advisor is.
I handle all of the branding at the foundational level.
I stand up all of her commercial enterprises, her philanthropy and humanitarian efforts, and then communications.
And she and I have been working together now since before Baron was born.
It's a long time.
I've been involved, you mentioned, as a producer of the movie.
I'm the one to structure the deal and her books, her digital assets, fostering the future, fostering the future together.
It's all projects that she stands up.
They're all her vision.
I give her full credit.
I'm grateful that she gives me the opportunity to work with her in this capacity.
I have a cross discipline background.
So I was trained in law.
I own an advertising agency.
And obviously, I do a lot of deals for my clients.
So through the years, I've worked with some.
Very high profile individuals and brands from the NBA and Sony Music to Warner Brothers and Karl Lagerfeld, Tom Ford.
Really interesting.
But all of my efforts these days, without a doubt, hands down, are with the First Lady.
And for that, I am very grateful.
That's great.
So I'm going to play the clip here, Mark.
I mean, you've got a really eclectic background with a lot of big, huge names and brands.
And I love that you've given so much of your time and energy to the First Lady.
She deserves it here.
And again, we don't talk about her enough on this show.
I'll be the first to admit it.
But here is the clip from Jimmy Kimmel joking about the assassination or death of President Trump in some way.
Pretty gross clip.
Sop 13.
Our first lady, Melania, is here.
Look at Melania.
So beautiful.
Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.
So she, of course, fired back and she essentially said, ABC, when are you going to hold this man accountable?
I mean, and I have my own personal gripe with Jimmy Kimmel because when Charlie was assassinated, Jimmy.
Kimmel lied about the nature of the assassin, calling him MAGA.
The affiliates rebelled.
He almost lost his job.
When ABC Brass finally let him back on, he refused to apologize or correct the record.
And he cried a lot, but he just totally dodged.
So I think this guy's a scumbag personally, Mark.
I'll put my own cards on the table.
I don't like him, and I think he's bad for the country.
But what do we do about it?
Well, I remember that moment, and that's part of why I am calling for Kimmel to be terminated.
From his role with the network.
It's time for the executives in this network to realize that this is not an isolated moment in time.
I don't understand why ABC and the parent company Disney would want to affiliate with a person who's spewing lies.
He's divisive in nature.
All of this negative political rhetoric is leading to more violence in our nation, as you're very well aware.
And it's time for ABC to take a stand.
I understand the First Amendment exists.
I am all for free speech.
I don't see this as a free speech issue.
I see this as a moment in time where Democrat violence towards Republicans is on the rise.
The data is in a Wall Street Journal article yesterday.
It shows for the first time that Democrats' violence targeting Republicans, unfortunately, including President Trump and Charlie Kirk, is now outweighing the amount of violence that goes from the right to the left.
And this trend continues.
And I think it's time for us to look at it and realize that words create actions, particularly when there are so many crazy people in the country now that look to leaders in entertainment across culture, entertainment, fashion, art, music, sports, the government, politics.
There's this ecosystem, including academia, where the Democrats are now just using the same vile hate type of speech.
Against the Republicans, and it's ending up with violent action, and it needs to be stopped.
Yeah, and Mark, we're actually going to be breaking down that Wall Street Journal report in hour two.
We've got Bhatia Ungar Sargon coming on.
She's a host over at another network, but she's done a whole substack on it.
And I'll just say that, yeah, it's interesting that the Wall Street Journal shows that there's more left on right violence than the opposite.
But what you find when you actually delve deeper into it is that some of the underlying data sets are completely skewed and faulty.
They're attributing stuff to the right that has no business being attributed to the right, and they're leaving off huge swaths of left wing violence that they're discounting for whatever reason because the researchers are.
Are biased and they don't want to reveal it.
So the fact that even with a biased data set and a flawed data set, that they're still coming out with the left is more violent against the right shows you a lot.
And we see this in polling, by the way.
If you do polling, YouGov, The Economist, did a poll that showed about nearly 30% of self described liberals, 18 to 39, say that political violence is justified in some instances.
Only 6% or 5% of conservatives said the same.
So, yeah, like violence, political violence of any kind is.
Unacceptable, but we have to look at the numbers, and there is a rise of political violence culture on the left.
And we, you know, it's coming from Discord chats, it's coming from Reddit chats, it's coming from, and it's being the permission structure, as you're pointing out, comes from the media, guys like Jimmy Kimmel.
I love there was a quote from Greg Gutfeld yesterday, Mark, where he said, I don't think this guy was crazy, but he was hearing voices in his head.
It was Ted Lieu, it was The View, CNN, it was MS Now.
Correct.
The other thing is, why don't the Democrats look in the mirror?
Don't you find it peculiar that with this set of circumstances, the only two Democrats, or let's say Democrats, politically oriented Democrats, that have spoken out against this circumstance are Axelrod and Fetterman?
Why is the entire Democrat Party lining up behind Mamdani, behind Ilhan Omar?
And why are they so reluctant to speak out against a guy like Kimmel who's creating divisive rhetoric that could lead to this type of terrible violence?
Where are the Democrats?
Yeah, exactly.
Here's what they're doing, by the way.
And you saw this with the SPLC, right?
The SPLC gets caught red handed manufacturing hate crime to sell to its donors.
And instead of owning it, you got like the NAACP coming out defending them, other people defending them.
But you see this now.
George Clooney defends Jimmy Kimmel, SOT 36.
Jimmy's a comedian.
And I would argue that Caroline Levitt didn't mean shots should be fired, right?
She was making a joke.
Fair enough.
So.
I look at that side and go, well, jokes are jokes.
But the rhetoric, I think, is a little dangerous.
And we've seen it a lot lately.
Well, Shots Fired was in reference to the speech he was going to give that night.
So that's a ridiculous comparison, first of all.
And to your earlier point, Jimmy Kimmel has a history of being an absolute grade A scumbag.
George Clooney definitely doesn't watch Kimmel, right?
Kimmel isn't funny.
Nobody watches him.
His business model is a failure.
And this is why I'm saying, for commercial reasons, it doesn't even make sense for him to keep.
Continuing to hide behind ABC.
It's time for ABC to strike.
Blake, I want to get you into this conversation, but Mark brought it up, I think, really eloquently about this misunderstanding of the First Amendment and how if conservatives say Jimmy should be fired from ABC, all of a sudden, oh, I thought you guys were pro free speech.
Well, what's the distinction?
Well, I mean, so the First Amendment only legally restricts what the government can do.
What the government is allowed to do on speech.
So, the government can't come in and say only this point of view can be voiced.
Also, government spaces, as we're well aware, public universities, the university can't say, oh, this speech is subject to, oh, you can only speak this in the dedicated free speech zone of the university.
Not allowed to do that sort of thing.
But anyone is allowed to say, I think that this host is a piece of crap and should be fired.
Anyone is allowed to say, this show is bad and I'm not going to watch their network until they get rid of it.
That's all completely allowed.
I do think that.
As pro free speech individuals, you want a culture of free speech, which is, I think, as a rule, for example, I don't think companies should go around aggressively firing people for what their opinions are.
Agreed.
I think Kimmel has shown a clear.
First of all, Kimmel, I'm not sure he himself believes in this.
And I think he's certainly distinguished himself as a piece of crap.
So I wouldn't mind seeing him go.
Yeah, fair enough.
I think that's well said.
Can I go ahead, Mark?
Can I ask you?
I just have a question.
So, like, if you look at the issue of freedom of speech closely, you're both aware you can't run into.
A movie theater and scream fire.
And the reason that type of speech is restricted is because predictably it will cause some kind of physical harm to those attendees in the movie theater.
So I realize this is a little bit of a stretch here with Kimmel, but we are seeing assassination attempts and assassinations and political violence happening over and over and over again.
So I'm a free speech absolutist and I believe that we need a marketplace of ideas to allow for us to propel.
Humanity forward, but maybe this call to have Kimmel restricted in this way can allow for us to find what's really critical right now.
We're missing glue of the fabric of society, we're missing respect.
If we can't agree to respect each other's differing opinions, how could we grow across science, healthcare, commerce, and beyond?
We don't have respect for each other anymore.
The Democrats look at us and they say, He's a Nazi, he's a fascist, and they call for more violence.
Hakeem Jeffries doubled down on this.
Just the other day, yesterday, I believe it was yesterday.
Yesterday.
It's too much.
Yeah, it's just too much.
So, at some point, who's going to lead the call for just respect so that we could have a true marketplace of ideas and propel humanity forward with innovation?
Well, I agree.
I want to see a culture of respect.
And as Blake has put it, I think, eloquently as well on the show, that we need to see pure unity that's across ideologies against political violence.
It has to be completely unified.
Castigated at every corner, and we're not seeing that, right?
We see like John Fetterman, like you said, and David Axelrod.
That's it.
Like, where else?
Where is everybody?
I will say, though, that free speech, the oft quoted crowded theater yelling fire, didn't they overturn that eventually?
Yeah, that's not the standard.
I'm very happy that the United States has a standard of freedom of speech that doesn't fly in any other country, even ones that we consider relatively Western.
You go and you read the Constitution of Germany, for example, and it will say the right to freedom of speech is absolute.
Except subject to laws that the government makes for reasonable society.
And everything is endlessly stretched.
Our Supreme Court basically has said unless you are calling for not just violence generally, but an imminent act of violence.
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So if you were to say, let's go kill Andrew right now, that would be illegal.
But you could even say, you can advocate, oh, we should overthrow the government generally.
And as weird as that might sound, I like that standard.
And why?
It's because it doesn't create room.
Where a bad actor government, like say the Biden administration, can go and say, oh, you're agitating for bad stuff.
You're calling for violence.
We're going to shut you down, investigate people.
We have that shield.
But I do think this imminent threat thing.
So, for example, I'm going to play a clip of Hassan Piker.
This is him saying somebody's got to do it.
I happen to think that this is beyond the pale.
I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it should be okay.
SOT 19.
And you actually wrote about this, and it was a great video where you talked about, you know, someone has to do it.
See, when I say that, everyone knows exactly what I mean.
Which is, I think that shows that there is a lot of anger, a lot of resentment, and untapped potential, untapped revolutionary potential, as a matter of fact.
So, this kid comes from a very wealthy, well to do family, and, you know, here he is, you know, Waxing poetic about the revolutionary potential of people calling for the assassination of President Trump.
That's what somebody has to do it means.
Somebody's got to do it, right?
And I don't think that's okay.
I look at that and I'm like, that's incitement.
And it doesn't meet the standard that Blake has laid out from our Supreme Court, but it pisses me off.
Mark, your reaction.
I feel the same way.
I mean, again, this is who the Democrat Party is getting behind now.
We're seeing a fundamental shift with the makeup of Democrats.
You know, so here, like you said, you have an individual who.
Came, I believe he was born very wealthy in Turkey, had a lot of money, came to the United States.
He hates the United States.
He's constantly spewing anti Semitic rhetoric and he's calling for violence.
Like, why do we need that?
And the people who are listening, unfortunately, some of them, again, can't discern between reality and what is not reality.
And they're laughing, Mark.
They laughed.
As soon as he said it, they all laughed like it's some joke.
The murder of the president of the United States is hilarious to these people.
It's insane.
And sadly, you understand how critical firsthand, you guys understand how critical it is for us to take a look and examine what's coming out of these people's mouths and who's on the receiving side.
Because clearly, like, what happened to this guy, Alan, who attempted the assassination this past weekend?
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The guy's a teacher?
Like, where is he learning that he should load up with guns, get on a train, drive across the country, check into a hotel, and then target our president and members of the cabinet?
What is going on in our country?
Where is he learning that from?
He's a teacher.
Mark, where is he learning that from?
I, you know, he's learning it from The View and MS Now and Ted Liu, exactly like Gutfeld said.
I want, I've only got 30 seconds left with you, Mark.
I wanted to get to this, but I just, if you had to say one thing about Melania Trump that you wish people knew about her, what would it be?
I'm sorry it's so short, but 30 seconds.
Hardest working, most dedicated, proud first lady.
She keeps talking about raising children above ideology, above prejudices, groundbreaking.
Take a look.
I'd love to have a moment to share with you all of her achievements.
As it relates to domestically and internationally since this 47th presidential administration began.
That's awesome.
Well, Mark, it's been a fascinating conversation.
I don't think we got to the bottom of it yet, but we're working through it, and that's part of the process here.
Mark, God bless you.
Talk to you soon.
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Everybody should remember this moment.
Look, I'm going to echo Charlie from earlier.
Remember where you were when this happened.
Remember where you were when you realized that the Uniparty and all of these, you know, just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate.
And look what you guys have done.
And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's Charlie.
I think we all agree.
I think Erica was shot one of the onions or something in the break room.
No one is working.
Harder than Charlie for this.
We gotta hear some words here from you, Charlie.
You put all this together, my man.
Let's hear it.
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Pennsylvania.
It's done.
Brings chills.
Obviously, that was election night 2024.
That clip has been seen hundreds of millions of times.
And it was narrated by the great Cliff Maloney.
A clip that I don't think any of us understood what it was going to mean and how it was going to be viewed and how many people were going to see it.
Cliff joins us now.
Cliff Maloney, author of the new book, Run Right A Complete Election Playbook to Win.
And I love this because I thought that clip was perfect because I want everybody in the audience to remember where you were that night, as Cliff told us.
How good it felt to win, how much work went into that from Charlie, from Turning Point Action, all the way down from Cliff's own organization, working their tails off in Pennsylvania.
And so, Cliff, I'm going to read from your website and then the floor will be yours.
You say, Stop arguing online, start winning in the real world.
Learn the door to door grassroots tactics that delivered Pennsylvania for Trump and Arizona and Wisconsin.
But yeah, you were big in Pennsylvania for Trump and how you can replicate them for decades.
The left is out organized conservatives, slipping red seats and turning fringe ideas into law.
The right has no handbook until now.
Cliff, congratulations on the book.
You wrote it with Joshua Lysik.
And tell us about it.
Well, first, thanks for having me.
I didn't expect to get a little teary eyed in the morning, but every time you play that clip, I mean, you're right.
None of us realized what that moment would mean.
And I always tell people why it was so fascinating for me is because it was everything that Charlie had built and it culminated with a victory.
Right.
It was kind of the 2016 win.
Okay.
But then the 2020 loss, 2022 not being a great year, and everybody kind of pushing back for those four years under Biden to build something that would actually win when everybody told us we wouldn't, when everybody told us it was not worth the effort.
But Charlie, Turning Point, Citizens Alliance, so many of these groups, that was the moment, right?
It was the moment where everything kind of came together.
And so I always look back and laugh.
It wasn't like I practiced saying those things.
But as you know, when you're on air, you can't have silence, right?
And so, you know, I know you were producing, Andrew, but everybody else was in studio, right?
I was remote in Harrisburg.
I think Brett might have been in Wisconsin, but it was kind of silent.
And I just said, you know what?
Let me step up and talk here in that moment.
You know, obviously, like you said, hundreds of millions of views changed my life, really just put us in a different spotlight.
Our partnership with Turning Point has only grown since then.
So I appreciate it.
On the book, you know, Joshua Lysik, great patriot, has written a couple books with Jack Vasobick, you know, approached me and we talked.
And he said, Look, he said, why don't we tell the story of all these election wins that you've had, whether it's Dog Catcher, State House, State Senate, or the presidential race?
And why don't we put it together?
And we do a training for candidates.
We call it Candidate Academy.
And pretty much that was my entire playbook that we started with as an outline.
And Justin Grice, who's my COO, he's my Tyler Boyer at Citizens Alliance.
You know, we kind of put all these notes together.
We worked with Joshua and we wanted to put something together so that if people on the right, We were new to politics.
They had a playbook to use that would teach them how to go from zero to 100.
And as I say to everybody, you can check it out at runrightbook.com.
Runrightbook.com.
I tell everybody there's three steps.
If you want to run for office, if you want to win, and you want to stay principled and effective, this is the book for you.
Well, I love that you say stop arguing online.
Obviously, there's been some of that happening in the ecosystem.
A wee bit.
A wee bit.
Just a tinge.
Just a touch of infighting, especially after Charlie.
We lost Charlie.
And it seemed like there was a vacuum, a void, and some bad actors have tried to fill it.
But you're trying to keep us focused, which is what we're trying to do at Turning Point Action.
We're building the red wall.
We're working with you on a number of different initiatives, Cliff.
And why don't you say you mentioned Pennsylvania?
That's where you predominantly spent most of your time in 2024.
What did you learn there?
What are the big learnings?
Give us a little teaser what's in the book.
So here's the.
Basics that no one really wants to admit on the right.
And that is that we are no longer in the Karl Rove era of messaging.
It is no longer what is the message to try to convert the persuadable voters.
And Tyler talks about this all the time on the show.
I'll give him a lot of credit for driving this message because it's true.
The game has changed.
It is no longer election day.
It's not even election week.
It's not election month.
It's election season.
Why does that matter?
Well, one of the things in the book I talk about is that 3% plus one.
Okay, this goes back to the Karl Rove strategy of a general election that roughly 3% plus one vote will determine who wins in a general election.
The math is still the same, but because of the rule changes, what I explain in the book is you have to go after the folks.
Typically, you have about 12% of the population that are going to vote Democrat and 12% that are going to vote Republican.
I'm talking in a swing district or a swing state.
I'm not saying 12% of voters, I'm saying of the entire population.
You now have to focus on increasing the partisan turnout.
Because you have in some states 50, 60, 75 days of voting.
And so I get to that in the book to explain to people it's not about persuading or having the perfect message.
You have to go find your people, register Republicans that are not likely to vote, and you have to make them likely to vote.
How do we do that?
Ground game.
How do we do that?
Actual relational organizing, getting people to understand, almost annoying them, if you will.
We call it a reminder campaign, but that's the big shift.
It's all about turnout, not about persuading.
You know, I have so many questions.
Questions because people ask me a lot of questions about this.
Sometimes I have to speak to the press or whatever about our ground game stuff.
You know, it's interesting.
We have, you know, my mom lives in Nevada.
She said, you know, she's registered independent.
She said that her dumpster could have filled up.
She could have filled up multiple dumpsters with all the, you know, the pamphlets and the handouts that were left at her door to vote Kamala Harris.
And she, you know, threw them all in the trash because she was just so inundated and sick of them.
We are.
Still behind the left when it comes to organizing, when the canvassing stuff, I mean, there's groups like yours, ours, Scott Pressler, that are out there kind of putting it on the map on the right and changing the way conservatives think about it.
You can make the dog food, but you can't make the dog eat, essentially.
So, what is the limit and what is the role of canvassing and ballot chasing, as we call it, at Turning Point Action?
Is it different than what my mom was experiencing with all the Kamala people?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, 100%.
And look, there's a great book out there called Get Out the Vote.
The fifth edition has this whole chart that really lays out about 20 to 30 years of them studying this exact question, Andrew, right?
They said, hey, we're going to go out and look at Republican campaigns, Democrat campaigns, independent, nonpartisan races.
But here's the cool thing that their data shows it takes about 200 pieces of literature, like your mom had dropped at her doorstep, right?
No conversation, but about 200 pieces of literature to earn a vote that are dropped at the door.
We call that a lit drop, right?
When it comes to phone calls, it takes about 30 phone calls.
Conversations, not just the calls, 30 conversations to earn a new vote.
But conversations at the door, it shows that one out of every nine conversations at the door, you earn a new vote.
That's the rub.
That's the entire thing here.
And that's why the door to door, the ground game, and this is what Charlie understood, it's what Tyler and the entire Turning Point Action apparatus understands that that's the missing piece.
Now, here's the bad part we're about 10 years behind the Democrats.
Okay.
The Democrats have 20 turning point USAs, 20, right?
Indivisible, Arabella, all the Soros money, the Tide Foundation.
There's dozens of these organizations that understand the power of knocking doors.
And that's where the right has to catch up.
Blake, do you have thoughts on this?
Just as we're heading into the midterm here.
It's such an interesting question.
It's like a psychological question.
That's what's really fascinating about it, is as you say, like you can pour out the dog food.
And I think what Charlie and what Tyler built is they've Really recognize it's almost a lesson that has to be learned over and over because I think the Obama campaign had similar discoveries and then they go into abeyance because they're difficult.
Which is, you can't just rely on mailers, you can't just rely on phone calls.
Like, the strongest thing is actual community, it's actual relationships.
It's why Charlie would talk so much about the need for churches to get engaged and involved.
He's looking out and saying, What are the institutions that have ties to people?
What are ways you can actually grab people with something they will pay attention to, they will care about?
And they're not going to care about mailers, they will care about People in their community, people they respect, people they love and want the best for, trying to get them involved in important elections.
And that's really what they built up with the action, the ballot chaser apparatus.
Well, and that's that expression, relational organizing.
We don't think about that enough, and we don't think deeply about what that expression means.
It feels like a one liner.
It's not.
It's actually you're inviting them to barbecues at the park, community events.
You're taking them cookies.
These things create a community tie, a relational tie.
And, you know, sometimes you might even call it societal guilt or whatever.
You know, so when they ask you for, have you turned in your ballot, the person's probably thinking, well, they brought me cookies.
You know, I, I should probably respond.
You know, it's deeper than a mailer.
It's deeper than all that.
Cliff, I want to turn our conversation over to what we saw in Virginia.
Now, I got a phone call from somebody that people would know, and they were very upset about Virginia and felt like the apparatus on the conservative side, whatever it was, the RNC, whatever, didn't do enough in Virginia.
What are our lessons there?
And I would agree.
You know, we're spending $100, $150 million to defeat.
A Republican in Texas, and we don't seem to have enough money to match the Democrats pound for pound in Virginia, which I think is complete a dereliction of duty.
What are the lessons out of Virginia and what are the takeaways?
Yeah, first, absolutely absurd.
I mean, it should be a felony.
What happened in Texas when you compare that to spending those resources in a state like Virginia, where, you know, we're now looking at 10 1.
Look, Tyler made some comments publicly.
I did too.
I'll rehash those right now, which is, In the political world, especially when you're a grassroots organization that is raising funds from investors that count on you for success, we've already announced our 2026 through 2028 plans.
We've announced that we're getting involved with a partnership with Turning Point.
We're going to be in Arizona with you guys.
We're going to be in New Hampshire.
We're going to be in Nevada.
These things are announced, and we're out there trying to raise the funds and then execute the program.
So when a new battle pops up, when a new opportunity, and people say, Cliff, Who cares about 2028 if we lose all these seats in Virginia right now?
And it's like, well, look, I can't kick every barking dog.
I can't get distracted with squirrel.
Like, let's focus on this.
It's a shiny object.
So, what Tyler said is what I'll say, which is when this popped up, we went and said, listen, we have the manpower, but we don't have the money, right?
We don't, we have to raise the money for the things we've already announced, the things we've committed to.
So, if the apparatus or the Republican consultant apparatus wants to funnel money, five, 10, 15 million, To Virginia, we have the manpower, we'll do it.
But they were silent, right?
They didn't step up.
There wasn't money spent that should have been spent in Virginia.
And so it is extremely frustrating to look at Ken Paxton versus John Cornyn.
Obviously, I'm supporting Ken Paxton, great patriot, John Cornyn, total sellout, Rhino.
But it's like, when are we going to get to that point where donors say enough is enough?
We're not spending money to defend the swamp, to defend what is the current status quo.
We need to spend that money.
On real battles when they pop up.
Because when that happens, we can all come in, we can all deploy all of our manpower to do those things, but it takes money.
And right now, we don't have that type of leadership, and the Republican consultant class should be in prison.
That's strong.
I like it.
Yeah.
Well, you know, and you brought up the Karl Rove kind of analogy earlier in our first segment, Cliff, and there is a pervasive consultant class that is.
Bilking money right off the top.
That's why people love to spend money on ad buys and media buys.
And the canvassing is less sexy, it's less lucrative.
And so, guess what?
It's the most important piece, but it gets left off because there's just not as much money to be made.
And that's the sad truth.
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I give her a lot of credit for that because now she's debunking the data claims that when people say most right wing, most political violence is coming from the right.
This is something you'll hear ad nauseum from the left.
She goes deep into the data.
We haven't really done a deep dive, so I wanted to have her on to go through what she found.
Bhatia, welcome back to the show.
I am so honored to be here.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you for making the time.
I mean, I only hit you up this morning, and you were willing to be flexible with your schedule, so I thank you for that because I just saw it this morning when I logged on to X.
So here's, let's just do a quick timeline for people.
Charlie's assassinated.
The Economist comes out with data that says, well, turns out most violence is right wing when it comes to political violence.
I've seen a number of people attempt to debunk this because there's a lot of flaws in it.
Then the Wall Street Journal yesterday comes out with a report saying that, whoa, big bombshell for the first time in history.
Left wing violence is more common.
And it turns out that's even with all of the BS that's happening.
But that's the point.
It's more prevalent according to this new Wall Street Journal report, but that's still with faulty data.
You've broken it down on your Substack.
I recommend everybody check it out.
But, Bhatia, explain what you found with this data set that so many are using, including the Cato Institute, to smear conservatives.
Yes.
So, there are actually three main sources for this fraudulent claim that the majority of the political violence in America comes from the right.
And I want to just briefly go through each of them because they are so unbelievably flawed.
So, the three sources are the Prosecution Project out of the University of Cincinnati, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, which Bills itself is nonpartisan.
And then the Cato Institute, which of course is also supposed to be this nonpartisan institute.
And they are all deeply flawed.
All right, let's start with the prosecution project, which was publicized by The Economist in the wake of Charlie's death.
Okay.
So as we are reeling from being the victims of left wing political violence, The Economist comes out and tells us, oh, no, sorry, you're wrong.
It's mostly coming from your own side.
But they are relying here on the prosecution project, which, guys, Go check this out.
I urge you to.
The link is in my Substack.
It literally does not have Charlie's assassination in its tally of political violence, nor does it have either of the, at the time, two assassination attempts on the president.
It lists every single person who blocks access to an abortion clinic, but not a single person who vandalized anything during the George Floyd riots, did any kind of property damage, nor does it list any of the 24 Americans who were murdered during the George Floyd riots.
Now, of course, maybe you want to say, well, those weren't political murders just because they happened during political riots.
But the Prosecution Project lists every single person who was ever affiliated with the white nationalists, with the Aryan Brotherhood.
Any crime they do then gets listed as political violence.
So, for example, 33 individuals charged in connection to a methamphetamine manufacturing and distribution network that was classified as political violence on the right because they happened to be Aryan Brotherhoods.
I mean, come on, these guys, these races obviously just wanted some meth, right?
But this gets classified, but not Charlie's assassination.
All right, let's move on.
So, as you said, Andrew, the Wall Street Journal citing data from the CSIS, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, they have on their website their methodology listed.
And in their methodology, just listen to this quote While anti Semitic motives are classified as right wing, attacks on Jewish individuals or institutions intended as a response to the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
Are classified as ethno nationalist.
They literally created an entirely new category so that they could absolve the left of left wing anti Semitism.
Like, literally, attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions, if they are done in the name of Palestinian freedom, get the left is absolved of them.
That becomes ethno nationalist, which, by the way, is meant to fool you into thinking that it's on the right, right?
And of course, and as they said at the start there, they're just saying anything anti Semitic, we're just gonna, that's just definitionally right wing.
It doesn't matter.
Which is, which is, Utterly insane because, as you guys know, of course, there are anti Semites on the right, but the right is fighting them tooth and nail, whereas on the left, anti Semitism is being totally mainstreamed.
Okay, briefly, because I want to get through this.
The CSIS lists as its sources the Southern Poverty Law Center, which we just found out was literally manufacturing the hate it pretended to fight, and the ADL, which, as you guys know, is completely biased, uses public records and media reports.
To reach their numbers, the ADL, of course, saying 76% of extremism is from the right.
If you're relying on the left wing media to arrive at those numbers, this is not data.
This is propaganda.
And just very quickly, the Cato Institute doesn't include the 3,000 fatalities from 9 11, calls every incel a right winger by definition, even though many of them are on the left now, fails to include any of the fatalities from 2020 Black Lives Matter rioting.
And, you know, the prosecution project, Anytime anybody defaces an LGBTQ thing listed as political violence, but entire neighborhoods that burned down during George Floyd, not a single mention in their list.
So, guys, bookmark this because the left loves to use highfalutin fancy credentialism to say what you're seeing with your own eyes is not true.
We've all been seeing it and we all know this is not a both sides issue.
The political violence on this country is coming from the left and they want the victims, which is the right.
To assume responsibility for it, and we have to say no.
Yeah, no, man, that was quite the thing, that was well done.
That was well done.
And it is so important.
I'm glad you brought up the Southern Poverty Law Center because all of these groups, SPLC, ADL, those other groups that you named, they fit into this network, this process that the left has built up over decades.
And it's sort of institutionally laundering their ideological claims.
They've literally been doing this for decades.
If you want classic stuff, after World War II, you have academics writing these books and creating institutions and just defining anything authoritarian or tyrannical.
It's just Definitionally right wing.
You'd have books like The Authoritarian Personality.
It just says right wingers are authoritarian.
And they're continuing that through to today.
When they have a nonprofit, when they have some organization with some PhDs or some flunkies who failed out of PhD programs on their staff, they'll produce these reports and they'll include, you know, they'll have a nice PDF.
It'll have, you know, good graphics.
They'll get it published in the, you know, their work covered in the New York Times or they'll say, here's how we're defining.
What is extremism?
Here's how we're defining what political violence is.
And if you add enough layers to this, are you able to just kind of lie to the public and create this reality they want?
And the reality they want is that always, by definition, political violence will be right wing.
Always, by definition, our violence is not political or it's just speech or it's mostly peaceful.
And I love that graph you showed from The Economist is the most telling, where if you literally look at the year 2020, A year defined significantly by politically motivated violence.
They say, vast.
They're saying, actually, all the political violence that year, that was coming out.
You can see the big peak is 2020, and all the violence is coming from the right.
There's basically none of it from the left.
In fact, there was less left wing violence in 2020 than in 2019, according to them, when in every single city in America, everyone was living in fear of what we all know was left wing motivated political violence.
You were worried that your neighborhood would get looted or burned down by BLM mobs.
That happened in.
Minneapolis, it happened in Chicago, it happened in Los Angeles, it happened in city after city.
Thousands of businesses looted, dozens of people murdered, and they just lie to our face.
And in a weird way, I'm glad they went for that lie in 2020 because in a normal year, you can maybe get away with it.
People aren't paying attention.
They could say, well, actually, there's these neo Nazi gangs doing stuff you don't hear about.
But in 2020, it was so in your face, so over the top, it was happening every day for months on end that it just blows apart the scam.
And as long as we can remind people of that, I think it's very difficult for them to keep getting away with it.
The lie is so egregious in 2020 that the jig is up.
The propaganda is revealed purely because we all saw it, to Blake's point.
We all saw it.
I lived in Santa Barbara at the time.
And now I'm a Phoenix native.
Blake says it's too cold here and rains too much, which is hilarious.
But it was crazy.
We saw our property values shoot up overnight because everybody was fleeing Los Angeles and San Francisco to get away from BLM.
They were.
All trying to get, they were businesses looted.
You know, in Santa Monica, they were getting burned out and looted.
So, I mean, it is a good point, Blake.
The lie is exposed entirely.
The fact that you're going to claim all anti Semitic violence when we saw the universities getting, you know, captured by these pro Palestinian groups, and yet that's supposed to be right wing or this third category they created ethno, what was it, ethno nationalism or something?
Babachi, you call out this section here.
I just want to underscore it.
This is from your Substack, and you just have to read it because it's so absurd.
So, we're talking about the data sets that these groups are using to collate these big conclusions about how right wing violence is so terrible and all this.
There were three high profile terrorist attacks in the United States in the first half of 2025, motivated by the conflict between Israel and Palestine.
These include the April arson attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's residence, a May shooting that killed two Israeli embassy staff in Washington, D.C., and a June firebombing of a pro Israel solidarity walk in Boulder that injured 15 demonstrators.
In this data set, these attacks are classified as ethno nationalist incidents rather than left wing ones.
Like, okay.
The extent to which these people have to twist themselves into pretzels to sort of come up with the conclusions that they want to out of these.
And to Blake's point, there's a whole network of NGOs that all feed off each other and they're all sort of colluding together to propagandize the American people.
And then their lackeys in the mainstream news media just go ahead and parrot the talking points as they're told.
So it's all ridiculous, it's all a big lie.
And I think you've underscored the point.
And I'm going to clip that first segment you had where you were breaking it all down because it was powerful, Batya.
But this is their new talking point.
Trump said mean things about Rob Reiner and Rob Moeller when they died, which, by the way, we called out.
We didn't think it was classic.
I said the Rob Reiner one was the worst thing President Trump has ever said.
Yeah, we were not fans of that.
But at the same time, to make the moral equivalent here of vigilante assassination culture that's on the rise on the left.
President Trump never called for anybody to be murdered.
President Trump never called for anybody to be killed in the streets or something like that.
Yeah, he says harsh things, but usually he's referencing in relation to using the system to prosecute somebody, hold somebody accountable.
So, what do you make of this attempt to put everything at Trump's feet to make him responsible for three assassination attempts against him?
Yeah, just quickly going back to what you said about that shooter in DC, Elias Rodriguez, who killed the two young people outside the Jewish Museum.
When the police arrested him, He literally said, I did it for Gaza.
I did it for Gaza.
And then started chanting free, free Palestine as though he were on a college campus.
But to the liberal media and to these organizations, we will never know why he did what he did.
You know, it's just like President Obama.
Obama, yes.
Straight up lying.
Six hours after the manifesto of Trump's would be assassin from the White House Correspondents Jr. was published, President Obama tweets, We still don't know what motivated this guy.
We know.
And you are lying because you know that it is your side that is implicated in it.
It was a lie that was a confession, right?
Because it proved that if he admitted that we knew the motivation, we would all know who was to blame.
Yeah, on your point about Trump not being nice, like the proof is in the pudding.
The bullets are only going one way.
Like only one side's rhetoric is being interpreted as a call to arms, and it is the left.
Trump says gross things.
Yeah, he says things that are beneath the dignity of the office.
Nobody is then picking up arms and going out and trying to assassinate.
Democratic politicians.
So the proof is really like it's right there before them.
You know, I used to be a lot harsher on Trump on the way that he tweets and he talks.
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I now see that as I don't like it, but it is like the other side of the coin of the things that I love about him, which is that he could care less what anybody thinks he's going to do, what he thinks is right for this country.
We have to always remember when Trump started this and even into the second term, he's not like some Democrat who had 50% of the political apparatus behind him, no matter what he does.
He had 0% behind him.
When he showed up and said, China is our biggest adversary, we're not going to have open borders, he was taking on both parties.
When he said, we're going to reshore manufacturing and impose tariffs, like, he was not getting support from his side to do that.
So, to me, you know, it's like, I wish that he was a little more dignified in how he expresses himself, but he isn't because of the very things that I find most precious about him, which is that he does not care, he's going to do what he thinks.
And he never stops to think, how is this going to come off?
How am I going to be perceived by this?
So, I have a little bit more, but I think the most important point for people to remember is, is like, If what Trump is saying is as bad as what the left is saying, how come only Charlie Kirk is getting assassinated?
And how come only Trump is trying to get assassinated?
And how come all the political violence we've seen over the last five years is coming from the left?
I mean, the proof is just right there staring us in our faces.
Yeah.
And it's like, well, when has anyone ever had to worry, oh, I shouldn't live in this neighborhood?
I shouldn't go to this place because there might be like right wing violence that will make this place unlivable or derail?
No one.
No one lives in fear.
That the Klan is going to ruin their neighborhood.
No one lives in fear that the Aryan Nations or any other right wing group, conservative group, whatever you want to say, is going to do it.
Whereas you really do.
People have changed what city they live in, what neighborhood they live in, because they know BLM, Antifa, whatever mobs that they get whipped up, they can make a neighborhood unlivable.
Well, put it this way after Charlie was assassinated, you know, left wing streamer Destiny, as he calls himself, said that conservatives need to be in fear of going out in public.
He himself has fantasized about killing somebody that he disagreed with.
He said he got really close to it, bought a gun, had maps and street maps all lined out, and had a whole plan.
He said he just didn't do it because he was making too much money streaming, so it wasn't worth it.
We've got Hassan Piker, who has called for capitalist blood to soak the streets red.
He has mused with the New York Times about social murder and what these companies are doing to justify the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
He's campaigned with Abdul, what is it, Syed or Al Syed in Michigan, who's probably going to be a senator from the state of Michigan.
And so he's being mainstreamed by the New York Times.
We have pictures of these guys together who's calling for, who's joking with, about somebody's got to do it in reference to assassinating President Trump.
So don't tell me that it's a both sides issue when you guys are platforming this joker, when you guys are this despicable human being, frankly.
Who was born in wealth and is musing about the wonders of revolution, which would be bloody, which would be murderous, which would be terrible?
They want to destroy the country and the republic, and they have no idea what the heck they're talking about.
It's disgusting.
So, yeah, go ahead.
Last minute to you, Batya.
They know that they're lying.
So, Jimmy Kimmel, bottom feeder Jimmy Kimmel, in justifying his disgusting joke about Melania, says, Well, I've always been against guns and for gun control.
And it's like, excuse my language, but.
The people with the guns are not the ones doing the shooting, okay?
The side with the guns are the peaceful side.
Half the country is heavily armed, and the other side condones violence.
They know that when they come and shoot conservatives, conservatives are not going to shoot them back.
They know that the people in America who have guns are responsible gun owners.
So they are using what they secretly know is the kindness of their conservative neighbors against them to get away with this.
Yeah, and a rising trend of left wingers who want to buy guns, not to hunt, not to protect themselves, but to go commit vigilante assassinations in the streets.
Bhatia Ungar Sargon, thank you so much.
God bless and protect you and everyone watching.
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you.
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