Arctic Frost Accountability + Do Muslims Love Jesus?
Senator Eric Schmidt and Scott Jennings dissect Operation Arctic Frost, alleging a coordinated spy operation against conservatives, while advocating mass deportations over amnesty and opposing H-1B visa abuses. Mark Lynch attacks Lindsey Graham as a traitor for supporting endless wars and funding illegal aliens, promising to end inflation via a gold standard. Lucas Miles clarifies that Muslims worship a counterfeit Jesus by denying his divinity and critiques the Pope for ignoring just war theory, urging Christian unity against existential threats like Islam and transgender ideology in schools. [Automatically generated summary]
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Fighting Evil and Proclaiming Truth00:14:57
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Welcome to the YRefi studio here in Phoenix, Arizona.
Blake, how are we doing?
Oh, we're doing splendid.
April 21st, 2026.
And, you know, there's a lot of people.
That do not work that hard in politics.
They're there for the photo ops and, you know, I guess the cocktail parties and the rubber chicken dinners.
Now there are people that are not like that, like Senator Eric Schmidt, who just closed up a hearing, ran all the way to his office, and he's joining us now.
And he's got a packed schedule today.
I know because we fit this interview in between a bunch of different things.
Senator, thank you for making the time.
We always make time for you, my friend.
I love you.
Wonderful.
Red blooded American audience.
We love it.
Thank you.
Yeah, the grassroots is here, Senator.
You were leading a hearing this morning on Operation Arctic Frost, which is a very frosty, cold, fitting title for that.
That, by the way, I just want to remind this audience, included spying on Turning Point and our affiliate organizations.
And you were leading the charge this morning.
I wanted to get you on right away to tell the audience about why you're leading this hearing, what you've discovered, and what the status is.
Yeah, the focus of our hearing, there's been a couple hearings on Arctic Frost.
And as your audience knows, this was the effort by Jack Smith and others essentially to have this dragnet of not just President Trump for the trying to imprison him for the rest of his life.
But to pull in anybody, the crime being they had an R next to their name or they were part of the American right, Turning Point being one of it.
I was actually the chairman of the Republican Attorneys General Association at the time they had subpoenaed.
They'd done all this sort of work, again, for Jack Smith's kind of show me the man, I'll show you the crime effort, and really to try to destroy a movement.
I think that's what this really was about.
But the hearing today was the focus was the coordination that took place because it wasn't just Jack Smith.
This was, you know, two days after President Trump announces he's running for president again.
Jack Smith is appointed special counsel.
The Fulton County case, the Fonnie Willis case, that gets set up.
One of the assistant prosecutors is meeting, we find out, is meeting with the White House officials.
There's communication that we unveiled today as part of the documents when they're trying to set up this meeting.
Senior White House officials are saying, oh my gosh, Fonnie Willis is an icon.
I stand with her.
It's crazy.
It's like fanboy or fangirl kind of mentality for Fonnie Willis.
And then you had the number three person, Colangelo at DOJ, go to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office.
No one does that.
No one leaves that spot to go to the Manhattan DA's office.
But why did he do that?
Because it was another effort to prosecute Trump.
But really, this Arctic Frost investigation, it pulled in all kinds of conservative organizations.
And really, what they were trying to do, Andrew, was to map a political movement and to intimidate and litigate people out of their organizations.
It was too expensive.
So the prosecution and the effort, the procedure was the penalty, right?
They knew they weren't going to get any convictions, but you make people, you ruin their careers, you make them spend a bunch of money on lawyers on this.
This was a very coordinated effort by Jack Smith, who's a total dirtbag.
To roll in the entire conservative apparatus.
Well, so as you say, for them, the process was the punishment.
So, what can we do today?
Can we actually get prosecutions related to this, or is there a reverse process that we can enact on them?
What's the objective here?
Yeah, so I think it's a great question because I get asked that all the time, right?
We're unveiling this stuff, but what's going to happen?
And as a former attorney general, former prosecutor, I'm very interested in this question too.
I think there's two routes here.
I actually asked one of the witnesses today that if this went beyond just the political bias, There's a criminal aspect to this if you go beyond that, and it's a potential conspiracy against rights, right?
And that is what could be on the table if a federal prosecutor chose to move forward on that.
That's one possibility.
I also think one of the things, and I think this is going to happen, guys.
I think if you go back, and this Arctic Frost stuff is like 2021 into 2022 into 2024 range, right?
The 2023 area.
But this started.
When they were spying on President Trump when he was a political candidate, right?
That's when this all started.
They laundered this fake dossier into an intelligence community document.
Brennan, Comey, Clapper, all that group.
They were using that then to try to sideline a presidency.
They spied on him when he was a candidate, tried to sideline his presidency.
Tulsi Gabbard just came out with new documents last week that the first impeachment effort was a total sham.
We already knew that.
But the fact is the IG, the person that's supposed to review it, never even looked at the document, never taught.
And the witnesses that they relied on were people that were overtly partisan and they just made this stuff up.
So I think the straightest line you can draw to prosecutions is this broad conspiracy that began with those actors at the beginning.
And here's why that's important because a lot of the challenges sometimes are with the statute of limitations, right?
It runs after a certain period of time.
But there isn't one for a conspiracy.
So if you're part of the original conspiracy on mile marker one, and you then leave government service or do something or leave office or whatever, in mile marker five, you are still responsible for the effects and the consequences of that conspiracy on mile marker 10.
And I think that's where we're at right now.
So I think that's the way to go after this.
And there's a lot of people that should be implicated.
Are you going to be making do you think this committee?
These hearings, are they going to result in criminal referrals to the DOJ?
Well, we have one part left.
So we've had a couple of hearings now.
And my prediction is that this will culminate with a hearing with Jack Smith.
And I think that'll be where you'll have the fireworks.
And then my hope is that there's enough evidence here that this just went beyond just something that people think is disgusting, but actually was much more than that.
And so, but the reason why we're having these hearings, guys, before we get to Jack Smith, so Jack Smith already testified in front of the House on the Senate Judiciary Committee, we want to get as much of all of those relevant documents.
Documents as we can.
And most of them have come from whistleblowers because the last thing you want to do is have Jack Smith up there who kind of knows everything that went down, and we don't have as much information as we should.
And so I think that's why we're continuing to request these documents that get to Jack Smith.
And then hopefully, like I said, I hope DOJ moves forward on this conspiracy charge that I think they can make.
Good.
And if anybody I trust with this process, it's you, Senator.
So we're going to stay.
Very well aware of what you're doing here because I think it's important, along with the DNI revelations that you mentioned with the inspector general and the first impeachment.
I'm going to play a Joy Reid clip here.
Sot one.
Democrats do not play politics the way Republicans do.
The difference between the parties.
Joy.
They do not.
They do not.
Democrats play by the Marquise de Queensberry rules.
I think they're not rule breakers.
What's been.
You're trying to tell me.
They're not.
If the Democrats take the Senate in 2027.
I hope.
In 2027.
And Alito retires and Trump names a Supreme Court justice, that the Democrats are going to have hearings and actually confirm him?
I think they will.
Democrats capitulate and they try to play by the rules.
Republicans don't care about the rules, they rewrite the rules.
I do get a kick that we complain about the exact same thing on each side.
Senator, we have you.
There's so much we could get into, by the way.
Reconciliation's coming up.
I know you guys are working on that later this afternoon.
And let's just start there.
Reconciliation.
Okay, so.
We have yet to get the Save America Act done.
Now we're already moving on to spying and FISA.
What is your reaction to that?
And do you think we're going to see any action on the reconciliation side to get some of these priorities done?
Yeah, so let's talk reconciliation.
First of all, we should be back on, get back to the Save America Act.
I mean, I just don't, I think that election integrity, and, you know, I've been in close contact with the president about this, and not only do we have the two, the pieces of making sure only Americans can vote in American elections and photo ID, but then also getting rid of these mail in balloting scams, making sure men can't compete in women's sports, and getting rid of this transgender mutilation for our kids.
Those are all 80 20, 90 10 issues, and we ought to spend all the time necessary to get that done.
But back on reconciliation.
Effectively, what we're going to do here is since the Democrats have blocked the ICE funding, they went from defund the police to defund ICE now.
This is just in their DNA.
They hate law enforcement.
They love illegal aliens more than they love Americans.
It's just who they are.
And so they've had this blockade.
And so now our response is going to be we're not going to just do one year funding for ICE and for deportations.
We're going to supercharge that in a multi year set, at least three years worth of funding, so we don't have to deal with this nonsense again in September 30th or even next year, right?
That's the plan.
And I'm actually looking for more things to do in that bucket about maybe getting after and dismantling these sanctuary jurisdictions.
But that'll be the focus, which will be the ICE funding and money for deportations.
I've said on your show, you guys believe this, I believe this.
Our response to mass migration must be mass deportations, okay?
Because that Joy Reid quote that you had on the other side of the clip, I couldn't disagree more.
The Democrats play for keeps here.
What they're trying to do is ultimately import a bunch of voters because they know people are leaving blue states.
This is all an electoral play.
They've lost the case with the American people.
And our response shouldn't be, well, okay, that's in the past.
Our response is people have broken the law and we can't tolerate this.
If we still believe we're a sovereign nation, if we still believe that America is a nation, that it's not some economic zone, that we're a nation and a people, we need to defend it.
And that's why this reconciliation piece is important.
Well, so this is, I mean, I couldn't agree with you more, Senator, but what frustrates me to no end, and I know it frustrates Blake. Is instead of getting mass deportations, instead of getting more, like, I don't know, tough, aggressive actions, we're getting pitched again and again and again this diet amnesty garbage because they think it pulls better.
I will scream it from the top of my lungs until, I don't know, I'm done screaming, I guess.
I run out of air.
But I want somebody to hear me that, listen, if you're going to cuck out on deportations and immigration, you will depress turnout at the midterms.
I don't care that you see a 75 number next to the diet amnesty crap.
You will depress our base and we will not get out and vote for you in the midterms.
Yes.
And we're in a base turnout election model.
We have been for a long time.
It started with Obama and Trump was the sort of what supercharged our base.
And by the way, their base too.
But that's where we're at.
And that's how we're going to win this coalition that this immigration question is at the front and center.
And by the way, it was the central topic when President Trump came down the escalator.
To say out loud what so many people in middle America, where I'm from, have been feeling for a long time.
They were pissed off that their jobs got shipped over to China, these blue collar workers, these blue collar jobs, people I grew up around, my family.
And when they turned around to look for new jobs, this country was flooded with illegal immigration that took the jobs or suppressed wages.
Now it's happening with white collar jobs like H 1B, which is foreign workers, or even the OPT, which are foreign visas for students now to take our jobs.
People are tired of it.
And so I agree with you.
We can't lose the plot here.
We have to fulfill this promise.
That President Trump made on the campaign trail.
He didn't shy away from it.
This was, I was with him a lot.
This was mentioned in every rally.
Every time he talked, he was dealing with the 15 million people who came here illegally.
And he would listen, he trial balloons things at these rallies to see what people react to.
And the reason you kept hearing mass deportations is because the crowd would go nuts for it time and time again.
Have we forgotten ourselves so easily after Minneapolis?
Have we forgotten what got us here?
And I just, I'm so grateful to you for.
Continuing to beat this drum because it is so critically important to the health, not only of the coalition, but the outcome of the midterms.
And if you're not going to give the base what they voted for, what is the point of voting for Republicans?
So, I mean, and listen, I want to keep the coalition together as much as anybody, but I can't make the case if I'm not getting results either, right?
Right.
And our base now, guys, and you know this, is a broader base, which is good, but you have more lower propensity voters.
Not everybody in our coalition now votes 10 out of 10 elections.
And so we have to give them a reason.
We have to hear them and say, we were elected to go do something, and this is what we're doing.
And I think that, you know, again, taking out illegal immigration is a very important part of it.
It's not the only thing, but I think it's central to the message and the policy that people support.
Legal immigration is also important.
We need to crack down on that.
Yes.
No, and by the way, we should be unafraid to talk about that.
And not everybody in my conference wants to, but I'm because if we really are America first, if we really are who we say we are and that we're Fighting for the American people.
Giving Voters a Reason to Support Us00:02:14
The American people begin screwed over through this legal immigration system that is so fraudulent at this point.
It needs massive reform.
And H 1B, as we mentioned, look, we don't have a talent problem in this country.
We have corporations that would rather import cheaper labor that's more compliant because the only reason they get to stay here is the company sponsoring them.
And so the indignity of the American who has to train his foreign replacement for his severance pay is total, and that's got to end.
Well, it's a mass demoralization campaign, too, by the way.
I hear it from the students on campus.
It's like, are they going to go into finance, which they don't really want to do?
They'd rather do engineering or they'd rather do something in computer science or program or whatever.
But they look around, the class is full of Indian and Chinese foreign visa holders, and they're like, I guess it's not for me.
So that little psychology starts trickling throughout the country and our culture.
And think about it.
We're leading the charge on OPT, which is what that visa system is all about.
First of all, the universities get full freight.
They get 100% full tuition from foreign students.
Okay.
So it's about money.
And then, secondly, the companies don't have to pay taxes for the first year, sometimes first two years for those workers.
Okay.
So this is people, a lot of people don't know that.
So we have incentives built in that shouldn't be there.
Now, the good news on OPT, on the student one you're talking about, is that the director of Homeland Security can change that by executive order.
Okay.
That is not something we have to pass.
And so we're, you know, obviously encouraging the secretary to do that.
I'll do that as well.
And we have made, I want to give the administration its due.
I mean, there was that big Cato report that came out trying to dunk on the mass collapse of legal immigration.
Meanwhile, our whole base is like slow clapping.
So, listen, they're making huge strides in a lot of ways on legal immigration, but I think we need to codify this.
I think we need to get the Republicans in D.C. behind the fact that, listen, curtailing legal immigration, you know, I've had my differences with them, but Senator Tom Cotton in Trump 1.0 had a great.
Bill on this that would have returned immigration to merit and decreased it from a million point two to five hundred thousand a year.
At least that's progress.
I'd go full immigration moratorium, but I'll take what I can get right now.
Nuclear Restraint and Political Ideology00:14:37
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Without further ado, I want to bring in Scott Jennings, who is a great American and just, he's been a great friend and he is such a strong voice for conservatism in some of the hardest places you can imagine, namely CNN.
Scott, welcome back to the show.
Andrew, good to hear your voice.
Yeah, you too, brother.
You're on Capitol Hill today.
Yeah.
So, which is not your normal stomping grounds unless you're mixing it up with the CNN folks.
But here, let's just give us your stake.
I want to do 30,000 feet with Scott Jennings, the state of the movement, the state of the country right now, and where we need to go next.
Well, the state of the movement right now is a little unsettled, but I think we all need to realize what's at stake in November.
I mean, I say this a lot, and I know Charlie felt strongly about this, too.
The future of Western civilization is at stake.
I mean, I look at what's going on just in the last few days, few weeks.
Our opponents have become even more radical.
And you had Democrat members of Congress and Democrat elected officials in Spain over the weekend, effectively telling a bunch of socialists that we need to overthrow the U.S. government.
They're still committed to this unfettered illegal immigration.
Getting people here, keeping people here, even if they're violent.
I mean, we're not really arguing about politics as usual.
We're arguing about the future of our country and the future of the West.
And so, the state of the movement ought to be, Andrew, understanding the stakes.
We're not playing small ball here.
Everything is on the line.
That's my view.
I totally agree with that.
And we had a guest on, Joshua Hames, who's great, who divided the coalition into the neocons, the patriots, the plan trusters, the dissidents that feel like it's their job to hold the admins' feet to the fire, but they're supportive.
And then the accelerationists.
And I think that's a pretty good taxonomy about how the base is actually divided.
And by the way, the accelerationists want to pull the dissidents away, and the neocons want to pull the plan trusters away and drive a stake right in the middle and divide us.
We have to stay united because your point is well made.
Democrats are unacceptable.
We cannot go that way for another 10 million invasion in our country.
I want to show you Chris Murphy, Senator Chris Murphy's tweet here.
It's replying to Ali Vase.
He says, At least 26 Iranian shadow fleet vessels bypass U.S. blockade.
He responds, Awesome.
And then you got to love Senator Fetterman, who just kind of calls a spade a spade.
And he says, Yeah, my country's rooting for Iran.
SOT 19.
A lot of people in my party and a lot of people in the media have turned Iran into the underdog.
You know, they're like Rudy and putting them up on their shoulders and cheering for Iran at this point.
It's absurd.
It's absurd.
You know, I'm going to back the president, I'm going to back our military in Israel through until that 60 day is triggered.
And then there's an opportunity to extend that by 30 days, no matter how many times you're going to vote no, no, no.
Why?
Because that just has empowered and emboldened Iran to continue for these things.
He makes a great point.
And listen, I was skeptical about the war.
I didn't want to go in.
I'll just be candid.
The cards on the table.
But once he made that decision, I'm going to back our guys.
Okay.
Scott, your reaction.
Of course.
Well, I totally agree with you.
Whether you were hesitant about this or all in, once America is involved in a conflict, can't we root for America?
Why can't people tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys here?
That's number one.
Number two, if anybody watched 60 Minutes on Sunday night, I mean, you've got the UN and other weapons experts saying, yes, Iran has 970 pounds of enriched uranium.
We know they have it.
That's enough to make 10 or 11 nuclear bombs.
So, Donald Trump has always said from the beginning, I will not allow these people to build and possess a nuclear weapon.
That's essentially what he's executing on.
So, we're in it.
We want to take away their ability to have nuclear weapons.
And that's really the bottom line, I think, for American goals.
And yet, you have Democrats out here cheerleading for the Iranian regime, hoping for bad outcomes.
They hate Donald Trump more than they love America.
That is basically the ideology.
Of a major political party in this country right now, and the risks of putting them back in charge for whatever divisions or, you know, little buckets we're in as conservatives, the wages of putting those people back in charge are absolutely severe.
That's all accurate, and it's very disturbing they're doing that, but we can see why they might be doing that, which is we can look at the polls.
The conflict with Iran was started with not a ton of buy in, and I don't think that buy in is going up as it extends on.
So, Even if the goal is just Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, what's either the best way to make this case going forward or what should the agenda be for the administration?
How much runway do they have to get this wrapped up, do you think?
Well, great question.
I mean, my view is national security ought to be run based on goals, not on daily tracking polls.
And so if I'm Donald Trump, we're in this war, he had a goal and he has a mission to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon.
You really can't end it until you tell the American people you've taken it away.
I think to end it prematurely would actually be.
You just want to look at it purely politically, that would be the worst politics because then you've gone in and you didn't actually achieve what you said you wanted to achieve as your principal goal.
So you've got to do this.
And I think we're on the brink of doing it.
I mean, look, I think the president, frankly, has always had pretty good instincts when it comes to Iran.
He had them in the first term.
I think he actually has them right now, have a lot of confidence in what the U.S. military is able to do when you take them off the leash, which we've seen over the last few weeks.
So, you know, I put my trust in the president on this.
By the way, we all debate these things.
I debate them every night on CNN.
He knows more than we do.
He sees things we don't see.
He has information we're not privy to.
And so I'm just choosing to say, look, I voted for a commander in chief here.
I made a choice.
And when you vote for a commander in chief, you got to trust their judgment.
That's where I am on this.
And look, at the end of this thing, my view is if he says we went in, they no longer possess the ability to have a nuclear weapon, the American people will say, oh, well, that was a good idea and that was worth it.
Because if you look at some of the other polls, they agree with his broad goals no nukes, no exporting of terror, and so on.
And so if the American people agree with the goals, And then you achieve the goals in a reasonable amount of time, which I think we're still within that window, it'll ultimately be viewed as a successful operation.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree that there is a potential upswing here if we can wrap this thing up and achieve the stated goals, namely putting excavators in there with U.S. officials digging up the uranium.
I think that would be a really powerful visual for the world.
I worry that Iran are just a bunch of liars, and this is what they do they drag things out.
So I guess the question that a lot of people are asking right now, Scott, is.
Where you have our negotiators going to Iran, and you got, I think it's Witkoff, Kushner, and JD again.
They're going.
We're assuming they're going to play games with us.
Do you bomb when President Trump's timeline comes to an end?
Do you start bombing or do you extend the timeline?
What would be your advice to the president?
I think they've extended the ceasefire by one day.
I don't think the vice president actually left Washington as we record this interview right now.
And so there's obviously, we're in a little bit of a murky period.
My view is, you go in good faith, you try to get a deal that takes the nuclear weapons away.
And if you sense that they are lying, If you sense that they are jerking you around, if you sense that they just are not operating in good faith, then you have to go in and enforce your mission here.
And the mission is to take away their nuclear weapons.
I mean, the president, I think, wants peace.
And I think he's showing some restraint right now.
I actually think the naval blockade was a stroke of genius.
And that's all working.
But at some point, I agree with your statement.
They're liars.
Look, you can't trust these folks.
The only way to enforce an agreement with these kinds of people is to really put them in a position where they have no choice but to comply.
So, we'll find out more.
As I said, I'm going to trust the president's instincts and the information that he has on this.
I'll tell you one thing that I think is true.
We've scrambled the Iranian government to the point where it strikes me there's some people that want to do a deal.
There's probably some people that don't.
And our government trying to figure out who's who here is probably part of the confusion that's going on.
Yeah, well, you're totally right.
I think there's been a lot of reporting on that, that there's factions within the remaining hierarchy of the Iranian government, IRGC.
Some are hardliners, some are more willing to make a deal.
And I think there's some confusion and some infighting that's going on.
But one thing is Clear, they're loaded to bear right now.
Our military is restocked.
Israel's restocked.
I mean, I think if they're going to try and play games, they're going to find out the hard way.
And I hope that doesn't happen.
I want peace more than anything.
I think the president does as well, but we also can't mess around with that.
All right, I got to throw this up here.
This is a new poll.
I'm just going to get your reactions.
More fun.
The 2028 Dem primary polling by Echelon.
I doubt you've seen this, but it's got two Californians at the top, Scott.
Harris at 22%, and Newsom, 21%.
Harris.
Was just caught on camera.
Apparently, it wasn't caught.
She said it willingly that black women need to get theirs too and be a little bit more selfish, which is fascinating.
What is your take of this?
Buttigieg in third, AOC in fourth, Shapiro down hard, only at 5%.
I know it's early, but my take is God is good all the time.
And if he gives the Democrats Kamala Harris one more time, then I look forward to another Republican victory in 2028.
I don't think the American people are ever going to put her in the White House.
I certainly don't think they're going to put this clown.
Gavin Newsom in the White House ever.
I see these other names on here.
I mean, you want to talk about an absolute clown car of people.
I don't see a president.
I don't see a commander in chief on that list.
And if you look at what all these people are going to have to do and say to get their nomination, they'll be so far outside of the mainstream of American political thought come 2028, they'll be unrecognizable.
But if they want to give it back to Harris, be my guest, Andrew.
Yeah.
Well, listen, Scott Jennings, you're a great man.
Everybody pick up his book, A Revolution of Common Sense, by a man who exhibits it daily in some of the toughest places.
And be encouraged by this, folks.
I talked to Rich Barris, who is not always a bearer of white pills, and he said, The one upside we always have is the Democrats are seriously good at screwing things up.
They are overreaching at every turn.
Scott Jennings, thank you for joining us today.
Thanks, guys.
Great to hear your all's voices today.
Thank you.
You too.
All right.
There's so much to get to, but I want to give a word, and I don't know if, Blake, you want to hit this.
Virginia is happening today.
It is today.
I jumped the gun a week ago.
This is the day.
You can vote in person.
You can vote in a lot of different places, I believe.
I think you can go to your.
Local courthouse, as well as whatever your precinct is.
Yeah.
Might be mistaken, but whatever it is.
What do they vote, though?
What do they vote?
Yes or no?
You have to vote no.
No.
Vote no.
Yeah.
I'd hope you've paid enough attention to know which we support here, but yes.
Yes.
You want to vote no.
You usually are only going to get to vote in one house race.
If you're in Virginia, you're basically voting in five house races.
So five times as valuable matters a lot.
It's going to make a difference in the house this fall.
This is a D plus five state, meaning Kamala barely won it.
It's not like a land side state.
They have a 6 5 map currently with six Democrat seats and five Republicans.
So you need to go out and vote.
Vote no in Virginia.
The wind in our sails is the fact that Spamberger is increasingly unpopular in that state because she went in and went full Virginia.
She started taxing the people, she started dissolving the cooperation with ICE.
So they got a bunch of predators all over the state now that are not getting arrested by DHS.
Massive problem.
So they want to take it from 6 5 to 10 1.
Which is now, and they're calling it fair.
They're going to take, they're going to run, I think, five different districts all through Fairfax County up to Arlington.
It's a bunch of little snake shaped districts.
It is the true, I mean, it is play to win gerrymandering.
You can say that much about them, that they are going all out.
They dragged Obama out of retirement.
Obama hasn't said much really since he was president.
Have you ever thought about that?
No, and then he came out of the dragon for this.
For how big the Obama cult was in 2008, and younger people won't remember this, it was.
It was a great madness.
People were talking about Obama as like a world historical genius, you know, Jesus Muhammad Obama.
We were kind of at that level of mass hysteria.
And then he was president and he left, and no one talks about Obama anymore.
But they dragged him out to campaign for this.
Well, I think he learned his lesson during the 2024 campaign where he started lecturing black men on not voting Republican.
Yeah, well, he'll come out much later.
I just think he doesn't care that much.
I think he loves to do his Netflix shows.
Oh, yeah.
He's like retirement.
The Madness of the Obama Cult00:03:20
He's living.
Yeah, he enjoys retirement.
He's.
You know, Charlie would always say about Obama, it's like the weak spot about Obama is he wasn't willing to work that hard.
Let me show you Virginia with Democrats in power.
This is the Virginia that Democrats have created, SOC 20.
The adult 18 year old illegal immigrant found guilty of sexually assaulting several high school girls in Virginia has just been sentenced to 100 days behind bars.
And one correction there, he's actually 19 years old.
We know he was 19 years old attending that school as an adult.
However, with time served in the calculations for a misdemeanor crime, he has 135 days left in prison, about four and a half months.
Well, and he better be deported immediately after that.
But here's the thing.
So, this is an illegal immigrant who went into a Virginia high school and started groping a bunch of girls.
It's really his human right.
Well, yeah.
And so, instead of dealing with him like a criminal, this had to be federally charged, by the way.
And this 19 year old illegal immigrant goes into your kids' high school and starts feeling them up in the crotch and all kinds of stuff.
Just terrible stuff.
This man.
Is exactly the vision of what America should be according to the Democrats.
If you want a vision of the future, just picture an illegal migrant asylum seeker groping your 14 year old daughter forever, to paraphrase George Orwell.
Yeah, this is what we have.
So vote Virginia, vote Virginia, vote Virginia, vote no.
Now, listen, I'm not going to sugarcoat this for you.
The odds are against us, as they often are, because our people are unenthusiastic about showing up right now.
Don't know what to tell you.
So, if you want a country that your kids can inhabit that will be safe for the future, vote.
It's one of the most frustrating things that there's a lot of people in the base where, let's just be frank, they only feel motivated to vote when Trump is personally on the ballot.
And a lot of, I know that's not ever, I know it's not many of the people listening to this program, but those people exist.
And you're not going to save your country that way.
You have to, I would always tell this to Charlie, you have to care as much about.
Salvaging this country as the left cares about ruining it.
And look at the left.
They care a lot about ruining it.
They unfriend people over their politics endlessly.
They disown family members over politics.
They, instead of going to church on Sunday, they go to their climate march or their anti this or that march or their gay marriage march, their trans rights march.
Like that's church for them.
They, instead of tithing, they give their money to that.
They can revolve their whole life around this.
And that's terrible.
But we have to respond to that by actually caring and getting out and doing the work.
Yeah, this is their proposed wording, or this is the wording on the proposed constitutional amendment.
Should the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness?
Oh, that's right.
So are 90% of Virginians Democrats?
No.
But they want 90% of the congressional districts to be Democrat.
Strong Cell: Healthier Cells Mean Healthier You00:03:24
It's a bold play.
Fairness.
Well, you know, yeah, it's an Orwellian wording, but it is also, it's playing to win.
And you'll notice the contrast that they went for this.
Indiana did not go for this.
So Indiana was not really rewarded for showing hesitation on this front.
They also did this in California.
I mean, California, what, 53 House seats, and they're going to have two, three Republicans left by the end of this year.
So just remember that you are against, you know, Joy Reid's urging there.
We are.
Playing against a political party that does not follow the rules.
They do play for keeps and they mean serious business.
So hopefully, our side will get out and defeat this Orwellian constitutional amendment in Virginia.
Vote no in Virginia.
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We are going to be joined momentarily by Mark Lynch, who is running for Senate in the great state of South Carolina.
We had him and Paul Danz on a few weeks ago.
They were both running since, and we asked people to weigh in, and it was a pretty even split.
It was really even.
Yeah, we had him.
Since then, Mr. Danz has dropped out, and he has endorsed Mr. Lynch.
So no split anymore.
So if you're looking for someone to replace Lady Graham, Mr. Lynch is the option.
Yeah, well, and so I think he's, okay, it looks like we're just getting him.
Sorted here because he's on the road traveling, campaigning as he should be, and his connection has been a little bit spotty, but it looks like we're getting close to having him on.
But again, Blake, you've been looking at the polling recently, so why don't you get that ready because it is within striking distance.
So obviously, Lady Graham has the endorsement of the president.
They're old friends.
There's nothing we can do about that.
But every so often, you have to make a principled stand and you have to say, listen, we think what's better for the country is replacing a neocon warmonger who Is more excited about sending boys and boys, American men and women off to foreign lands to go die in foreign wars than taking care of the home base.
And that's why this is such an important race for us to focus on.
So it sounds like we have Mark Lynch.
Mr. Lynch, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
We're excited for you to have a clear path in the primary now to take on Senator Lindsey Graham.
Tell us, give us an update of the state of the race.
Yes, it's been exciting.
Just 10 days ago or so, as y'all were saying, Paul decided to drop out and he endorsed me.
And what an awesome thing, humble, just a great patriot, because he said publicly to everybody in our forum that night at USC that his main focus was to take Lindsey Graham out.
And I had the ability to do that and the funding.
And so what a great patriot to join forces.
And not have internal fighting anymore and get another candidate out.
So we were basically going head to head now against Lindsey.
And so all his supports coming our way.
And before that, the polling had already changed.
We were in second place and Lindsey was down to 41%.
And so with Paul's support now and all of his fans coming over to us, it's going to be an awesome race.
And we're going to give America a great, Anniversary present on his 250th birthday with the removal of a traitor in Congress.
Wow, that's, I mean, that's strong words there about Lindsey Graham that he's a traitor.
Now, I'm just going to play some of the clips of Lindsey Graham in his own words, and I'll have you respond to them, sir.
Okay.
How about Sot 25?
Israel and the United States, you just wait to see what comes in the next two weeks.
The next two weeks meaning what?
We're going to blow the hell out of these people.
This regime is in a death row now.
It is going to be on its knees.
It's going to fall.
And when it falls, we're going to have peace like no other time.
We're going to have prosperity.
Unlike anyone could ever imagine.
Peace brings prosperity.
You can't do it by talking.
The Democrats criticized this operation.
They didn't do a damn thing.
These men and women in the military should make us all proud.
I'm just going to follow that up with one clip here.
So he says, We're going to blow the hell out of these people.
Then he said this SOT 22.
I go back to South Carolina.
I'm asking them to send their sons and daughters over to the Mideast.
What I want you to do in the Mideast, our friends in Saudi Arabia and other places, step forward and say, This is my fight, too.
I join America.
I'm publicly involved in bringing this regime down.
So he's asking South Carolina men and women to go and die in the Middle East.
Your thoughts on that, sir?
Yeah.
I'm glad he communicated with South Carolinians again, but that's not going to happen.
Our sons and daughters aren't going over there to support another endless war as a bankrupt country that we are.
You know, everybody's concerned instead of trying to start World War III like Lindsay's doing and whispering Netanyahu's ear and trying to get him to give him talking points to get Trump convinced.
You know, we've got, we have concerns in America and in South Carolina with the terrorist sales all over the country that he allowed.
Lindsay allowed to walk in here and grant them all amnesty.
Everybody's tired of that.
We have problems at home.
We've got to take care of America first, not America last.
We're not here to support Lindsay's pocketbook anymore with the military industrial complex feeding him millions of dollars of our taxpayers' money.
We're not getting what we're paying for, and South Carolina and America is tired of the betrayal, and we're removing Lindsay this cycle, June 9th.
Sir, I love all that.
How hard is it going to be to, you know, how hard of a climb is it going to be to overcome the Trump endorsement of Lindsey Graham?
Well, the people have spoken back.
Trump endorsed Lindsey probably about a year ago now.
And they remember his Truth Social post in 24, where Trump admitted in print online to the world hey, it's my fault that Lindsey is in office because I endorsed him and he endorsed him again.
Everybody believes Trump needed him and is just using him in a lean Senate majority to get some of his bills across the finish line because Lindsey will pull a couple of other Republican senators with him in their voting decisions.
And Trump knows that and he knows politics is a dirty game.
You know, if you break the word politics down, poly means many and ticks are blood sucking parasites.
So that's the sport that this is.
It's a blood sport and Trump knows how to win.
And so I think he's just doing what he has to do.
The nation says on social media months ago, we still support Trump, but his endorsement of Lindsey Graham won't save Lindsey this time.
We're all done with Lindsey.
And everybody knows that Trump has made several bad endorsements, especially in South Carolina.
So we get it, but we have our own minds and we're going to vote the way we're going to vote.
We're not going to vote for a traitor who has a 43% conservative voting record, 57% constitutional voting record lifetime.
He's failing in every scorecard.
And we're tired of paying, you know, in the fourth quarter of 25 and the first quarter of 26, in the budget bill, he funded another $5.7 billion in each budget bill to support illegal aliens and provide shelter and health care.
And we don't have money for that.
These aren't even citizens of the country.
And the majority of them are drug cartel members and terrorists.
So that's treasonous activity.
And we're done with that.
Well, you know, you invade the world, you invite the world.
And that's Senator Lindsey Graham's mantra right here.
He knows he racks up a heck of a debt to these countries all around the world when we go and bomb the hell out of them, like he says.
I must say, he at least, we get a lot of Republicans who frustrate us because they're evasive.
All you can say about Lindsey is he's very much on his sleeve what he wants, which is lots of wars abroad.
He's not being very secretive about it.
You know, I want to end the segment by just touting the numbers.
As you said, Lindsey has pulled in first, but this is, you need a majority or it goes to a runoff.
And in the most recent poll, He's at 41%.
That's with 22% unsure.
But I feel like if you have been in South Carolina this long and you don't know how you feel about Lindsey, they're probably looking for some kind of alternative.
And so we just need you to get hold him below 50% in the first round, and then you could conceivably win a runoff.
Mr. Lynch, I'm going to read some names to you, and you can tell me what these mean.
Kagan, Sotomayor, Merrick Garland, James Comey, Loretta Lynch, and Robert Mueller.
What do all those names mean to you, sir?
Yeah.
Those are evil judges and people that Lindsey Graham voted for that Biden and Obama wanted confirmed.
And those are not the judges that are helping us.
They're fighting Trump on everything.
And so it just proves more of who Lindsey Graham is.
He's not a Republican.
And I'm going to ask all Republicans out there if you say you're a Republican, then you cannot vote for somebody that is cited and his voting record, lifetime voting record, everything he's doing is to destroy America and support the Communist Party of the Democrats.
He's got to leave.
I'm representing you, and we're a God first campaign, and we've got to get our country back to God first, to America first principles that our country was founded on.
And Lindsay's not that.
And we're all tired of it.
We've got a viable candidate in me.
It's happening.
The polls are proving it.
Join us and let's do what's right for this country, for the future of our grandchildren, for America.
Yes, sir.
So, speaking of the future, you know, we work with a lot of students at Turning Point.
A lot of them tune into this show to get a feel for the base and what we're thinking.
So, what's your message to them?
You're somebody who's run a successful business and you're funding a large part of your campaign on your own back.
What's your message to young people as they come up in a different America than the one you inherited?
Yeah.
First of all, don't give up.
America, we're not gone yet.
It's close.
We've got a lot of problems we've got to fix.
We love what Charlie Kirk started and stood for in Turning Point and what y'all are carrying on being all about Jesus Christ and not being ashamed of that and bringing out the message and the truth that our church and state has never been separated.
Our founding fathers knew that you had to love Jesus to run for office.
I love the book Pastor Matthew Truella put out.
I recommend it to everybody about the doctrines of the lesser magistrates.
And it just talks about the main point in the book is that when our laws don't match God's laws any further, we've got to resist to whatever level it takes to stop evil.
And so I love the education that's happening.
People are getting involved.
Some of the most intelligent.
People that are in the know about everything that's going on in the country or on our college campuses because of what Turning Point started.
Thank you for that.
Let's keep that going.
And let's find the real candidates out there that love Jesus and help us get in.
I'm an ordained deacon and we bring God back to the swamp in DC.
That's the next mission field my wife and I know we're being sent to and called.
And so help us get in.
Support us.
Call your friends.
Tell everybody about me.
The removal of Lindsey Graham will be one of the biggest doge events for the country because trillions of dollars of corrupt, evil money will come to an end.
And I'm 100% pro life.
God creates humans.
He knows us before we were born.
We're intricately woven in our mother's womb, and we don't have the right to murder anybody.
Amen.
And so it's about bringing God back first in the country.
Everybody keep praying, you know, but then we've got to go do the work like Charlie started, and we got to get involved, and we got to vote, and we got to be educated about who we vote with.
And we're seeing God turning.
In this country, turning the country back to Him.
And so it's happening.
In South Carolina, the majority of the people we meet all across the street, they're true conservative Christian people.
It's just overwhelming and just really touches my wife and our hearts about all the prayer support we have.
It's spiritual warfare.
And that's how we win this on our knees.
But then we got to get out and knock doors and phone bank and do all the things it takes.
So we're working on, The inflation, I know young people are very concerned about how they'll ever have their own home, how they can afford everything.
We're seeing the gas prices going crazy.
We're seeing all the H 1B visa immigrants coming in here and taking American citizens' jobs.
I will fight to end all of that and stop the printing of money and letting the Federal Reserve exist.
It's time to close them and get our money back based on gold and silver.
That's God's economy.
And all those things.
At the deep level, from the top down, will help us get rid of this inflation and start busting up the monopolies that are buying and running and price fixing the homes, inflating the home prices with all this craziness in the economy that's going on.
We've got a lot of work to do.
We can do it.
We'll do it together.
It takes everybody's vote.
And we've got an opportunity this time, finally, for the first time in 30 years, to remove a trader.
And get him gone.
So help me get there.
Join our grassroots movement in prayer and in donations and sign up to work and help the campaign.
Our website is lynchforsenet.com.
Yep.
And it's going to happen.
Yeah.
You know, if God is removing Lindsay and appointing me, it's going to happen.
He puts everybody he wants in authority.
So, this is the year.
It's going to happen, and America's ready.
Well, I think that was well said.
And I completely agree with you.
So much of the affordability crisis that we talk about right now is just it's the lords of easy money, as Steve Bannon calls it.
It is the printing of endless, endless money that inflates the assets of the incumbent financial class at the expense of the working class and of young people that can no longer afford to get their foot in the door.
And it's.
It's absolute tragedy what we've done to debase our own currency and print away, fritter away our inheritance on foreign wars and foreign bombing campaigns, blowing the hell out of people we got no issue with, right?
Now, I'm not even, listen, I give the president a lot of patience in Iran, a lot of my trust, but this has to stop.
The people whispering in his ear to keep moving the goalposts, and now Lindsey's frothing at the mouth about Cuba, it's got to stop.
And when people are tempted to get upset or discouraged about the state of the U.S. Senate, just imagine if we weren't giving away deep red states to guys like Lankford or guys like Lindsey Graham, and we could get a Mark Lynch in there that actually cares about this country.
I want to put up two things here, just as we're running out of time with you, sir.
Patience with Iran and Lindsey Graham00:16:37
You mentioned religious attendance.
Since 2018, religious attendance by conservatives has been going up.
And, you know, Republican women now, about 60% attend church at least once a month, and over 50% of Republican men now.
So that's an amazing upward swing that we're seeing.
And you mentioned this book.
I want to throw it up there because you dropped it The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates by Matthew Truella.
So if people are interested in that, and then please go to Lynch for Senate, support this man, get involved in his grassroots campaign.
Thank you, Mark Lynch.
Thank you for coming on.
We appreciate it.
And may God bless you.
Yes.
God bless y'all.
Thank you so much.
Don't give up.
Help us do it.
We can do it together.
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We want to talk about so much with him, including the Make Heaven Crowded Tour, which is marching forward.
Welcome, Lucas Miles, back to the show.
Hey, thanks for having me.
Good to see you guys.
All right.
What is your next stop on the Make Heaven Crowded Tour?
Yeah, April 29th, next Wednesday.
We're going to be at Prestonwood Baptist Church.
It's a real big church, one of the biggest in America.
And we got a great lineup.
Myself, Pastor Jack Graham, Erica Kirk is going to be with us.
We have George Janko, special musical guest, we'll be announcing very soon.
It's going to be an incredible night.
Oh, and Allie Beth Stuckey is going to be there as well.
So it's a solid lineup and might even have a visit from Special Advisor to the President, Mark Walker, over religious liberty and religious freedom.
And it's going to be there.
So it's a big night for us.
We're expecting 8,000 plus people.
I mean, it's a big venue.
And so, can't wait to do that next Wednesday.
This is a free event, but we encourage people to register.
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You can pick from the drop down the Texas stop there at Preston Wood Baptist for the Dallas stop.
We'd love to see you there.
Wow.
So, you got a full lineup you, Erica, Jack Graham, Ali Beth Stuckey, George Janko.
George Janko.
Wow.
Yeah.
Jeez.
Okay.
So, Check that out if you're in the Dallas area, Prestonwood.
I've been to that location years and years ago.
It's a big church, man.
That's a really big church.
Beautiful church.
Yeah, I went there the first time this past year and was just blown away.
It's an incredible location.
And Pastor Jack has been outstanding.
He's actually speaking at our Pastor Summit tonight, where we're kicking off our Pastor Summit here in Dallas as well.
And so glad we're here.
Great guy.
That's fantastic.
Okay.
So, what is the point of the Make Heaven Crowded Tour for those who don't know?
I think it's in the name.
This is really an extension.
Yeah, I mean, just.
Yeah.
To some degree, yeah, right.
But, you know, to state the obvious, this is really an extension of what came out of the aftermath and the, I should say, the spiritual uprising on the other side of Charlie's Memorial.
We originally had planned at TPSA Faith to do a single event, a large event in 2026 called the Believer Summit.
And we had some historical, you know, framework for that.
But what we quickly realized is that the movement across this country was too large to contain in just one event.
And so we thought we'd have 4,000 people at one Believer Summit.
We had 5,500 people just at our First, make heaven crowded stop in one city.
So now we're rotating.
We have about 30 stops across the country.
So I'm on the road a lot right now, but it has been absolutely incredible.
We're seeing people saved and come to Christ at every single stop.
And this is very revivalistic.
It's kind of activating, it's engaging and helping to really just encourage people to push in more with their faith and their spirituality, get connected to a local church.
And so these are stops.
Most of them are at large churches across the country, but we have before every single stop, we have a pastor round table.
And we'll have sometimes 100 pastors that will come together in support of this.
So, this is really not just one local church in a community.
It's representing a lot of churches in that community that are standing with us and really supporting this event.
So, they've been absolutely incredible.
How many?
So, when Charlie was killed, we had about 4,000 church partnerships.
What are we at now?
About 12,000, roughly.
So, it is, gosh, 3x growth.
When I came in in July, it'll be two years, we had 3,200 church relationships.
So, we have 4x'd virtually in that time period since I've been here.
It's the honor of my life serving these pastors.
They're incredible.
These guys are on the front lines, changing culture.
I truly believe that everything flows downstream from theology.
You know, it's not even just culture.
We have to start with what do we think about God?
What do we think about ourselves and God?
If we can solve those two things, all this other stuff's going to be real easy.
Yeah, amen.
I mean, you know, it's interesting.
They like to call us Christian nationalists and all this stuff.
It's a pejorative, it's a smear that's used as a weapon against Christians that are.
Statesmen that care about the direction of this country, just like, oh, I don't know, our founding fathers.
But it was interesting.
Something I learned, Lucas, is that you've heard of the Black Robe Regiment.
Charlie used to love bringing up the Black Robe Regiment.
And you know who invented that term?
British loyalists to smear the patriotic preachers of America.
And so this is nothing new that when the opposition forces want to smear you and marginalize you and make you feel little, make you want to shut up, stop being so loud, they use pejoratives to paint you as a villain.
But what ended up happening, interestingly, is the Black Road Regiment is something that we remember with pride and honor that it was our Christian faith as a wellspring that bubbled up to our.
Our revolutionary ends, right?
So I just think it's a beautiful heritage that we all have as Americans and as Christians.
I want to ask you about a couple other things here, Lucas, because you are a pastor, you're a man of faith, you know your scripture.
And there's two things I think that are worth discussing here and now.
And I think people deserve some clarity.
One is we've heard recently that Muslims actually revere Jesus and they love Jesus.
What are your thoughts when you hear people saying that?
Yeah, so I think there's two ways to look at this, right?
So there is what the Quran teaches, and then there's what individual Muslims hold to.
There are Muslims who are not necessarily Islamicists that have been deceived by the teachings of Islam, and they truly believe that they are revering Jesus.
And to a degree, you could make a case that they view him as sinless, they view him as a prophet, they honor him in that way.
But I would state that if we do not acknowledge Christ's divinity and his deity, then we're not truly revering him.
In the way in which he deserves, right?
So it could be a form of adoration, certainly.
But if they're denying his divinity, then that's not what Jesus deserves.
And so this is actually sort of a false sense of admiration for him as a prophet.
So if I was to deal with that.
Yeah, specifically, yeah, as you say, they can say he performed miracles, but why do we worship Jesus and not just say that he is similar to Moses or Elijah?
Or anyone else, and it's specifically that he's the son of God that he died on the cross for your sins and then was raised from the dead.
And they deny all of those things, is my understanding, right?
So, if they would deny that Jesus was even crucified, right?
And so, that is, and there's a little bit of a debate within Islam over that, but most Muslims would hold that Jesus was not even crucified.
Um, and so, you know, of course, if they and they don't have an idea of blood sacrifice, so they don't believe that, uh, they think salvation is through submission plus good works.
Rather than there is a chasm between God and man, and that because of sin, and it required a sacrifice in order to redeem us, that's a foreign concept to Islam.
So we have to deconstruct the Quran and I think show the falsity of the book itself if I think we actually want to win Muslims over for this.
But to just blanketly say that they're revering Christ the same way or better than Christians are without acknowledging his deity and without acknowledging either the crucifixion or the resurrection, pretty hard to make that claim.
So I'm going to give you my take on it, and you tell me if I'm off base here.
If the Muslims are revering and even loving a Jesus that is not the Jesus of scripture, namely the Son of God, then they are revering a counterfeit Jesus.
It is not even Jesus that they are revering.
They are revering a historical figure, perhaps, but they have bastardized his identity.
So therefore, it's not even the real Jesus.
Yeah, I would say there's absolute truth in that.
I mean, you even see in the idea of Islam that when they talk about, you know, in kind of the final day that Jesus will come back as a servant to Allah.
In carrying out part of the judgment against this earth.
And so they see it's almost like a flip over of the book of Revelation, this bizarro world.
And you could make a case that the way in which they see Jesus is very similar to what the Bible would teach about the Antichrist.
And so this concept of this other Jesus, this false gospel, this framework, I think that we have to push on that.
We have to expose that more.
I mean, this is the nature of the Quran.
What we know about Muhammad, there's some debate if he was even a real person.
I give the benefit of the doubt that he was, but we know that he was illiterate if he was a real person.
And so, at best, he sort of Frankensteined the scriptures and the ideas of Jesus.
Most likely, he didn't even have the scriptures themselves when he was writing the Quran.
He had probably some Christian Gnostic texts, and that's most of the stories you see from the Quran are actually that have anything to do with the New Testament are pulled out of Gnostic texts.
It's almost sort of a complete plagiarization of those things.
So This is a so called prophet that didn't actually have the scriptures, knew nothing really about the true historical Jesus, had heard certain things, framed them together and cut them together in the Quran, and you have this amalgamation of ideas.
It is not the Jesus of the New Testament, it's not the Jesus of the scriptures.
Yeah, I really encourage people, it's a worthy exercise.
Go read the first lengthy section of the Quran.
I'm forgetting the name, surah or whatever it is.
It's called The Cow, and it is literally called The Cow.
Just read it, and you'll raise an eyebrow because it is like reading.
As you say, a plagiarism or like a fanfic almost of the Bible.
It's all about, it jumps from Moses to different biblical figures.
And it clearly would make no sense unless you'd sort of heard about these things.
Lucas Miles, I want to talk about some of the recent kerfuffles with the Pope.
I believe that there is a concerted effort to divide Protestants and Catholics, evangelicals specifically, and Catholics.
And I haven't seen it like this in a while.
You know, and I think some of these comments by the Pope are being used to drive that wedge.
Some of the criticisms that I think are fair of the Pope's political statements are being used as, like, oh, you're disrespecting the Pope.
Where is the line?
You're an evangelical.
I'm evangelical.
Blake is a Catholic, so we're sort of well represented here.
Where's the line as evangelicals of how we should approach the Pope's comments?
We want to be respectful, but we also think that there's fair commentary and critiques.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, you know, as you mentioned, I am an evangelical.
I do pastor in a very.
Catholic city in South Bend, Indiana.
It goes like the Vatican, Boston, and then South Bend, I think, in terms of probably Catholic population density.
When we look at this, I do think that conversations on this are fair game.
People have said, well, I don't want a political pope.
Well, I do if that politic is based upon a biblical worldview.
Even though I'm not Catholic, in the same way I'm not a Southern Baptist, I want the Southern Baptist denomination to have a purity to it.
Based upon a biblical framework that they follow.
And I want them to honor, I don't want to see them get hijacked by leftists.
And we have two groups that I think, at least two groups, that are attempting to hijack the Catholic Church right now.
And that is this kind of liberation theological strand that's been there for a long time.
And you also have this integralist strand that's coming in and sort of trying to hijack it for political purposes as well.
And both are dangerous.
I think that the Pope should be held to a higher standard, just in the same way that any pastor is.
And I think that we have an expectation that his ideas and his commentaries are going to be based upon a biblical worldview, first and foremost.
I don't mind that they're necessarily Catholic as long as that is framed within and not violating scripture.
And I think what we've seen in some of the recent comments, I think it violates not only Catholic teaching, I think it also violates biblical teaching.
Yeah, I guess I've just expressed over and over the Pope is going to say what the Pope says, but it's a little annoying to me if the Pope is coming out, for example, and just saying, as he has, that Lebanon is a model that we should look towards for how to organize society, both because I don't see anything specifically biblical in that point of view, and also Lebanon is terrible.
Lebanon is not a great country.
It's a country a lot of people have fled because it's persistently in civil war.
It's a country that.
It's not, you know, it's notably not a democracy in any serious way because you have all these special rules where different offices need to be held by different religions.
Otherwise, the civil war reignites again.
You're literally not allowed to speak with an Israeli because that's also caused drama there.
It's one problem after another.
And okay, the Pope can have opinions like anyone else, but he does have to be careful when he says things because he's in an office that's 2,000 years old and has a lot of moral weight to it.
And if he's going to say, for example, peace is good, go for it.
If he's going to say, and he'll say things that, I agree with a lot.
He's condemned assisted suicide.
He's condemned abortion still.
But he has to be careful when he's saying things that are just purely, basically, a political point of view and they're not rooted in a view the church has had for thousands of years or something that's clear cut in the Bible.
And sometimes he does do that.
Yeah, I think that we saw this on the Iran situation.
We saw, I mean, kind of a total violation even of Catholic ideas.
Just war theory is Augustine and Thomas Aquinas.
And so there seemed to be no acknowledgement of any validity there when you're pushing this idea that.
You know, that anything other than peace is not a Christian option or an idea.
Part of just war theory is that war has to be a last resort.
And when you see negotiations, and look, we can talk about individual war and whether or not it fits into just war theory, but just keeping that on the table as Christians thinking about this, that we have ways in which we've dealt with this theologically to sort through conflicts, to sort through the just sort of the art of nation building and what that looks like, and how do we navigate that from a Christian standpoint.
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And I do.
I have a higher level of expectation.
I think the Pope would benefit from coming to a TPSA Faith Pastors Conference, and he's welcome anytime.
I'm just going to put that out there.
Well said.
There it is.
Full circle there, Lucas.
Well done.
Yeah, I mean, listen, here's the thing.
My heart is for an ecumenical stance within Christians, both Catholic and Protestant within the United States, that we stay united in at least our politics.
Blake is right.
We have significant theological differences.
Sometimes those can be vexing, sometimes those can cause a little bit of strain, but we have to see the big picture.
I will never believe.
That my differences with Catholics about issues of theology outweigh my issues with Islam, for example.
So I will take partnership with the Catholics eight days out of the week over the alternative.
So, yes, there are theological differences, but we need to stick together and we need to stay united, especially politically.
When we think about the pro life cause, when we think about the direction of our country or school boards or transing our kids, there is so much more that brings us together than what separates us.
And I know that Charlie felt the same.
I was born into a Catholic family.
We sort of were very poor Catholics.
So I ended up becoming a Christian in college in the Protestant evangelical tradition.
But I love Catholics.
And Father Chuck from my high school was still in touch.
So, anyways, my hope and my prayer for the American church is that we remain united against common, more existential forces that we need to defeat.
Lucas, one more time Prestonwood, give us the deets.
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Well done, Lucas.
We'll see you again soon.
Good job.
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