Charlie Kirk and guests dissect the "Build the Red Wall" event, where President Trump outlined bans on transgender surgeries and sanctuary cities while Andy Biggs addressed family formation. The show critiques Shamar Elkins' probation for killing eight children, advocates for Ken Paxton's Senate run against John Cornyn amidst $100 million in opponent spending, and condemns illegal immigration policies. Analyzing James Carville's claims of a 13-justice Supreme Court expansion and D.C. statehood, the episode argues that returning Northern Virginia to the District would strip Democrats' leverage, concluding that Republican failure stems from prioritizing legacy media over base concerns like strict immigration enforcement. [Automatically generated summary]
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Fighting Evil and Proclaiming Truth00:09:15
My name is Charlie Kirk.
I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.
My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.
But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.
College is a scam, everybody.
You got to stop sending your kids to college.
You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.
Go start a turning point USA college chapter, go start a turning point USA high school chapter.
Go find out how your church can get involved.
Sign up and become an activist.
I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.
Most important decision I ever made in my life.
And I encourage you to do the same.
Here I am.
Lord, use me.
Buckle up, everybody.
Here we go.
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All right.
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's Monday.
It's April 20th.
Just past tax day.
Just occurred to me.
I hope I got my taxes done.
I think I did.
I hope you did.
I think we got that done.
Anyways, back in Phoenix here at the YRefi Studio.
Blake, how are we doing today?
Oh, we're doing okay.
We're doing okay?
Yeah.
We got to get people hyped up.
That was not.
Impressive enough that was not enthusiastic.
We're doing okay.
You will remember that we left the show on Friday and we were headed on over to the Build the Red Wall event.
It was an amazing, successful, energetic event with some of President Trump's, I would say, most enthusiastic supporters in the valley.
It was amazing.
It was amazing to see them.
They're all dressed up, people waving signs, lots of great clips that came from that.
And we just want to play a couple of clips just to memorialize it a little bit.
Here we go.
Let's start with SOT 6.
And we will pass the Save America Act to protect our sacred American election.
And we will also add into permanent statutes a very simple thing called no men in women's sports.
And no transgender mutilization surgery for your children.
We're putting that in.
We're putting that in because I call them best of.
Do you know what, best of?
Best of Trump.
Can you believe it?
Best of Trump.
So I love that clip because he's focusing on the domestic, right?
And it was just, we held the event right after the kind of Iranian peace, tentative peace, which we've seen has been very fragile over the weekend.
But he was in good spirits.
Even with all of that international news, he was talking about domestic, domestic, domestic.
One of my favorite lines here crushing violent crime.
Sot 7.
With your support, we will crush violent crime, impose harsh new penalties for repeat offenders, crack down on Marxist prosecutors and rogue judges.
The judges are horrible.
Add deadly sanctuary cities in our country and end no cash bail, which really started it all.
So, President Trump was in fine form and he was focusing, like I said, on domestic issues, which I think is important.
It's noteworthy.
I considered that event sort of a recalibration event.
I think it's the kickoff in some ways of the midterm run and for all across the country and really setting the tone.
But there were some other really noteworthy moments.
We had Andy Biggs there, who's going to be running for governor, who is running for governor.
In the great state of Arizona.
And I will tell you, I think this was the best speech I've ever heard Andy Biggs give.
And we've had him recently.
We had him on the show recently.
He got emotional when he was talking about his wife and what the American dream in Arizona means to him and his wife and what he wants to do for the future.
I just thought he was completely spot on.
So let's give Andy Biggs his due.
SOC 12.
We want young Arizonans to be able to start forming their families and getting into homes.
When they form families and get into single family homes, it preserves our traditions, our values, our freedoms.
That's what we need to do.
And I just love that, Blake, because you know this as well as I do.
Charlie was so focused on the American family.
If he ever ran for office, that was going to be his main central crux of whatever campaign he was going to run because he believed in the power of the American family as the building blocks of a successful society.
And it just feels like Andy Biggs has taken that page out of Charlie's playbook, hitting families, hitting affordability of homes, hitting prices, hitting the American dream, kids being able to afford to have families, afford to buy a home.
So, I just thought that was a perfect note.
I don't know if you have a thought there.
It was a very strong speech, a very strong message.
I think it's the message we're going to want to keep hitting in the months to come.
We know it's going to be hard fought because, among other things, that's the other topic that we have to hit at the top of today.
Yeah.
Which is Virginia.
I don't even know if we need to hit that yet.
Well, exactly.
I was going to say there was a beautiful moment from Catherine Limbaugh that I would love to play.
So, Catherine Limbaugh was somebody that when Charlie was around and friends with Rush, Catherine was always kind of around.
She was copied on emails.
She's a really phenomenal person.
Woman, and she's been so supportive when Rush was alive and since Rush passed and left us all.
And she was kind of a surprise guest at this event, and she had powerful words in defense of Erica's leadership, and I just thought it was really touching.
Saw 11.
I'd like to take a moment to talk about Erica Kirk.
Last September, the unimaginable happened.
Erica showed incredible grace, strength, Courage and determination to not let anything steal her light.
Anyone who criticizes Erica for how she grieves should pause and think for a minute about the humanity of that.
Goodness will always outshine the darkness.
Charlie knew exactly who he was marrying a strong, smart, beautiful soul inside and out.
I know he is immensely proud of Erica and how she is carrying on.
Really poignant coming from her.
It was, it was.
Yeah.
And by the way, that clip has gone viral all over social media.
People loved it.
And by the way, I think we did kind of a back of the napkin just review of the clips from this event and how many times, I mean, it was over 100 million views from this event on X alone.
So massive, massive spread.
That's the power of these events, really, is that they energize, the coming together.
The spread of the clips, the spread of the good vibes, as I call it.
And anyway, so we'll end with our kind of review of this event with a clip from Erica herself, Sot 10.
There is nowhere else on earth, nowhere else on earth like the United States of America.
There is not.
And with this powerful combination of freedom, the ability to live your life with your faith openly, and the chance to build a life, nowhere else like it.
And nowhere else I would want to be, and I'm sure you guys feel the same exact way.
It's really like, I would say my experience in that room was that Erica had a fire and a confidence and a strength.
And you kind of saw her in a different way, in a different context where she's actually pushing forward an agenda, which I thought was a powerful.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's stepping up into another one of the roles that does come with having to succeed her husband, which is he always was a fighter for the next race, the next election, the next battle.
You've got to go.
Every victory is just a chance to fight another battle in the future.
And she recognizes that as well.
And we didn't really show it in that clip, but a big theme of that was there's a lot of people who complain online.
We talked last week about the black pillars and the people who just fume that nothing is happening.
And a lot of her remarks were just here's all the amazing things that have happened amazing things that happened on immigration, amazing things that have happened on crime.
And she also mentioned, you know, we're not people in Nigeria being killed for our faith.
We're not Europeans being prosecuted for our speech.
We're not Canadians being fed into the suicide pod.
And so many things to be grateful for, so many things to fight for.
And I think that it was that combination that certainly Charlie himself would have been delivering.
So we've got to talk about this Shreveport killer dad story because it's really a really tragic story, but there's larger implications as well.
Gun Laws and Prison Funding00:07:28
So, Shreveport dad killed, it looks like, eight kids, including seven of his own children.
He was ID'd as Shamar Elkins.
Who was a former army vet, a national guardsman who shared a post of his daughter's hour before the slaughter?
It was a really, really, really sad case because it looks like he went to, he was going through a divorce.
He talked online about maybe facing mental issues, mental struggles, his demons.
He talked about his demons, but he also took his kids to church and he was an army vet.
It looks like this is a truly a case of some tragic story of a man giving in to these demons and mental instability and.
The results are horrific.
So he was going through a divorce, kills the kids and shoots one of the moms in the heads, then goes to his girlfriend, his, you know, I guess his baby mama to use the jargon of the day, and shoots her in the face and kills three more kids.
So seven of his own kids, eight kids total.
One of them was a cousin.
And it looks like one of the boys, we're not sure if it was one of his sons or not, but there was a 13 year old boy that climbed up on a roof and jumped out off the roof to escape.
He broke his leg and is going to survive.
The two women are in critical condition.
So, this death toll in theory could rise to 10 and just a complete tragedy.
Then he carjacks a vehicle and speeds away, gets in a police chase with the police, and basically a terrible story altogether.
But we find out then, after as news reports begin circulating, that in March 2019, three years after completing his military service, Elkins was arrested on a charge of illegal use of weapons and carrying a firearm on school property.
More than that, because what he did is apparently he had some confrontation with a man in a car.
According to Elkins himself, the man pulled a gun and pointed it at him.
Who knows?
But then, as that car drove away, he pulled out his gun, fired it five times after that car, apparently in the direction of the high school, was where the round was going.
And the end result of that was he pleaded guilty and he received 18 months probation.
Not 18 months in prison, not 18 years in prison, but 18 months.
Probation.
No prison time.
So, this is another classic story.
Now, this is a red state, but let's be honest, there are bad judges all over the country.
And there is a proclivity within the legal community to give a ton of leeway to judges.
So, here's what you need to take away from this we need to stop empowering judges to give leniency, to exhibit any sort of discretion.
No, there needs to be mandatory sentencing when you pick up a firearm.
And you use it with lethal intent.
Five shots in the direction of a car, in the direction of a school, and this guy's let back onto the streets almost immediately with 18 months probation.
Yeah, it's.
We've learned this lesson over and over.
We're learning it again.
You know, the bright side of this is crime in D.C., for example, is dramatically down, 50% drop in homicides.
Crime in.
More impressive, I would say, actually, is the drop of crime in Baltimore nearby.
Baltimore was America's murder capital, basically, for.
About a decade after the Freddie Gray riots, their murder rate doubled overnight and stayed high.
And now it's crashing again.
And the reason it's crashing is they have a DA who is a Democrat, but he's said, okay, we're actually going to enforce those gun crimes.
Like in this case, we're routinely getting undercharged.
That if you say and if you mean it, that if you're caught carrying a gun while you're a felon, if you use a gun while you're a felon, if you have any reason you're not allowed to be carrying or using a firearm and you get caught, We will punish you, and it's going to be multiple years.
And that gets the dangerous ticking time bombs off the street.
And it also means anyone with a brain who doesn't want to go to prison stops carrying illegal guns in the first place because you know, I'll go to prison for five years.
And if they're not smart enough to make that correction, then they're probably not smart enough to be on the street.
Exactly.
And so.
It's this basic thing here that sadly we would possibly have these people, these children still alive if we just bothered to enforce these laws.
And it reveals something else about the left that they often agitate for gun control.
They often agitate for new gun laws.
But the best thing we could do to suppress crime in a lot of places is enforce the gun laws we already have.
Because everywhere in the country, it's illegal for a felon to just be carrying a gun around.
It's illegal to just blast a gun off right next to a school.
And if you enforce those laws, You will prevent future tragedies because very few people start with murdering children as their first offense.
Yeah, well, again, there's too much discretion in the judicial system when it comes to judges and the sentences that they can levy against criminals.
This guy pleads guilty to plead down to an 18 month probation.
They probably looked at the fact that he was an army vet, they probably looked at the fact that he's a family man, that all this stuff.
Well, it's a huge problem though.
Lethal force, lethal intent in the middle of public towards a school should not come with 18 months probation.
There should not be that much discretion.
That much leeway in the system.
This man should have been put away and done a hard time, and frankly, it should have been a lot longer than 18 months in prison.
And I don't know if it's going to turn out to be the judge because if it was a plea deal, it was likely prosecutors who struck this.
And yeah, it's a red state.
There's bigger picture things, which is, for example, we should make sure it's Louisiana.
I suspect they do this because Louisiana has crowded prisons.
Well, what you need to do is bite the bullet, have more prisons, have more funding for prosecutors, and if you need to, more funding for judges.
Make the system run quickly because.
As we've seen in the case, we're all following it.
It's moving slowly, and that doesn't make people feel there's justice either.
You want criminals to be rapidly brought to justice, quickly and efficiently punished with a penalty that is consistently severe for crimes that warrant it.
Yeah, I mean, 18 months probation in this instance, lethal force in public, that's crazy.
Imagine what they would do in some of these Asian countries.
There'd be lashings involved and being put in prison for a while.
I wasn't expecting this, I have to say.
But Death of Recess, it stopped me in my tracks.
This isn't about dodgeballs and jungle gyms.
It's about control.
The modern American classroom didn't just happen, it was intentionally designed, it was standardized and centralized.
And once you see who built it and who protects it, everything clicks.
Billions of dollars are flowing through education bureaucracies every year.
Test scores collapse, and somehow the answer is always more money and less parental authority.
The documentary breaks down.
How organizations like the NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms, and why something as basic as recess, movement, freedom, childhood, you know, had to go.
That's not random.
That's systemic.
Institutions protect themselves, they do not protect your kids.
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All right, without further ado, we have Attorney General Ken Paxton from the state of Texas, who's also a candidate for the United States Senate that we're going to get into in just a few minutes as well.
Welcome back to the show, Mr. Attorney General.
Hey, so great to be back.
I'm just traveling the state in Corpus Christi today on my way to Victoria.
Oh, good for you.
There you go.
Well, it's a huge state.
I mean, it's like running for president of other states or of other countries, rather.
So you've got a huge, huge.
Route that you have to travel, I know, but we've got breaking news over the weekend, and I want to get to it right away.
And that's this lawsuit against Act Blue, which was an issue near and dear to Charlie's heart.
I mean, it just seems like there's been so much smoke.
There's got to be fire with Act Blue.
Tell us why you're moving ahead with this, and what have you discovered, sir?
So, Charlie was not wrong, which is not shocking.
We actually started investigating them back in 2023 because we'd heard reports of various.
Improprieties.
And so we actually, because it's federal election laws, Federal Election Commission, we actually referred it to them.
I know you wouldn't be shocked to know that the Biden administration did not pursue anything against ActBlue and they continue to raise money.
So then, of course, more recently, there was testimony in front of Congress by some of the ActBlue lawyers acknowledging that ActBlue had lied to Congress.
They had not disclosed some of the problems with their fundraising, including potential using straw names and Using names that were not matched to the actual donors and also potential foreign investments, which is also completely illegal.
So, we actually tested it.
We actually had my attorney go online and test it, and we were able to make donations without fully disclosing who we were.
So, we know the site's not raising money inappropriately.
So, we have now sued them.
We're going to use discovery to try to understand more fully how big of a problem this is.
So, I saw a story this weekend about there was some Chinese organized crime network that was gobbling up gift cards and prepaid debit cards and funneling that money to various places.
And one of the things that I see here in your press release is that a lot of people are able to use prepaid debit cards and gift cards to actually make donations on this website.
So, you've got foreign organized crime rings that we know are using gift cards for nefarious purposes.
And then you conveniently have Act Blue that doesn't seem to have safeguards for similar types of donations or purchases.
Do you think that that is the intent?
Is the intent here that there is soft spots in this program?
Because I believe you don't even have, if you use your credit card, you don't even need a CVV code.
At least that's the way it was before.
So I just, your thoughts here, sir.
Absolutely.
They're completely violating the law on purpose.
We caught them not using the CVV codes.
And they told us they were corrected.
And we know now that they are not corrected because we were able to make donations giving those codes.
So we know that they tell us one thing and do another.
Their intent, it appears, is to violate the law.
And as I said, I can't stop them from violating federal law.
That would have to be the FEC.
And hopefully they will look into this more fully, especially given what was already admitted in Congress.
But no, absolutely.
They're using gift cards, they're using debit cards, they're using Apple Pay, they're using Venmo.
There's all kinds of ways that they're skirting the law.
And these foreign donations, these other countries are influencing.
Our elections completely illegally, but they're getting away with it through Act Blue.
I want the audience here, Mr. Attorney General, to understand the scope of this.
They have raised and processed more than $16 billion, billion with a B, since its founding in 2004.
Huge.
And by the way, WinRed, which is kind of the counterpart on the right, doesn't come anywhere close to this.
Blake, I know you guys are.
So, as you mentioned, you can't enforce the federal law aspect of this.
But is there potential?
What's your ability as part of this lawsuit, as part of this investigation, to bring in, you know, you could maybe collect information that applies to the whole country?
Is there any dimension where you can work with the FEC or offer up stuff you're able to find and speed up whatever investigation they're able to do?
Well, I love that question because the.
I'm running for U.S. Senate.
When I'm in the U.S. Senate, I'll be all over this.
The problem we have now is our current U.S. Senator John Corn has never been interested in this issue.
We have brought it up for years.
We filed this letter with the FEC several years ago and no response.
So, obviously, the information that we get, we will disclose to the public and to the federal government and we will use it in our own lawsuit.
We hope that the FEC will go forward.
We want them to.
We think now with new leadership, we've got a much better chance, obviously.
So, yes, we are hopeful that the information that we gather, which we expect to be even more than what we have now, will be very helpful to the federal government and hopefully them taking action.
So, you brought it up first.
I was going to get to it, but you are running for U.S. Senate, and your primary contender is the sitting U.S. Senator from the state of Texas, John Cornyn.
And there has been a little bit of news around the endorsement or lack thereof from President Trump.
Give us an update on the race and maybe any insights into that endorsement story that we all heard so much about as well.
So, in the first round, I've been campaigning for a year as of April the 8th.
We just had our March 3rd primary, we had eight people in the race.
18% went to other candidates, including Wesley Hunt.
And then I ended up at 41.
He had 42, but he spent $100 million all in.
I spent 5.8.
A topic for another day, but they definitely have the rules rigged as it relates to fundraising for challengers.
That's just amazing.
Mr. Attorney General, I'm sorry to interject here, but when I think about where that money could be spent, and we're staring at a midterm that is not assured, the outcome is not assured that we even keep the Senate.
And we.
The powers that be blow $100 million on a Senate primary in Texas.
Just imagine that.
Where could that money be better spent?
You know, that's just a question that we should all be asking.
Like, what are we thinking?
But, anyways, continue on.
Well, it does tell you one thing that incumbency is more important than majority.
They tell you that, you know, they raise money with donors and then John Cornyn gets to spend $100 million plus.
I mean, how much more is he going to spend in this runoff?
Another $30, $40, $50 million?
It just seems like.
Uh, it's clear from their actions from John Corner's actions that incumbency protecting incumbents we're going to have a Republican in the state.
We didn't need to spend that money here, we could have spent it in a general election either here or North Carolina or Michigan or Maine.
We have lots of places these other senators are being hurt by this, and these other opportunities are being hurt.
So, the majority is secondary to getting John Corner elected.
Which, really, I mean, if donors really understood that, I'm not sure that they wouldn't have an impact on fundraising.
Certainly, would me if I were giving, I'd want to know.
Hey, you're taking my money that I expected to go against Democrats and using it against a conservative Republican in Texas.
What's the benefit to the party for that?
I don't see one.
I so agree.
It's so infuriating to me because, you know, Turning Point, for example, let's just use round numbers, about a hundred million dollar org, which is significant.
It's not the biggest in the space by any means.
Left wing groups are way bigger.
And we get hundreds of articles written about us all the time, constantly.
And you got one primary race in Texas that gobbles up a hundred million dollars in a couple months.
If you think about the scope, I mean, it's just, it's infuriating.
So go ahead, Mr. Attorney General.
Spending more.
I mean, we already know they're spending more right now.
We've got five weeks left till this is over, four weeks till early voting.
How many more millions of dollars is it going to take to get an incumbent who's been in the Senate for 24 years?
No one in Texas has ever run for five terms, not Sam Houston, who was the holder of this seat when it was founded and we became a part of the republic.
So no one's ever been in office that long and no one's ever accomplished less in the 24 years plus.
Actually, he's been in office for over 40 years and has literally no accomplishment.
There's none that people can give me.
That I've been asking for over a year, every audience, what has he done good?
We, of course, know the detrimental things, helping Joe Biden get Afghan refugees to resettle here.
And that's a very dangerous proposition.
Helping Joe Biden.
Yeah, I mean, it's awful.
It's one of the things we're dealing with now.
The problems that John Cornyn created with Joe Biden, we are dealing with in Texas every day now.
Well, Mr. Attorney General, we have your back.
We've endorsed you at Turning Point Action.
Tell us where is the race right now?
What is the polling saying?
And when is the primary election as well?
Such a great question.
It's amazing how few people vote in a runoff and how few people even know when it is.
It's May 18th through the 22nd, five days of early voting right before Memorial Weekend, Monday through Friday.
And then Election Day is literally the day after Memorial Weekend, May 26th.
So it's really important.
That people tell their friends, tell their family, encourage because we had 2 million people vote in the primary, probably have less than a million vote in the runoff.
So your vote really is leveraged.
As far as where the race is at, every race, every poll I've seen on the head, the last poll I saw, we were at 48, John was at 40.
With the Trump endorsement, John would go to 42, I'd be at 45.
Without it, I would be at 55, and he'd be at 35.
So it's interesting to see those numbers, but they don't really matter until election day.
So, you know, polls are polls, and they don't, what matters is, People getting out, and I don't want people to rest or relax because we have a real opportunity to change Texas and the country with the change in leadership from Texas.
Mr. Attorney General, we have your back.
Please support this man.
He is the grassroots, the movement conservative in this race.
And the other guy's been a thorn in the side of the admin and of the movement for years.
It's time for new blood.
Mr. Ken Paxton, we've got your back 100%.
Thank you for making the time today.
Appreciate it.
Love what you guys are doing and have ever since the inception.
So God bless you guys.
God bless you too.
All right.
So, another day, another violent criminal, illegal alien killing somebody with a hammer.
All right.
Literally, when we were processing this story out of Houston, we're like, wait, is this the same story?
Is this the same story?
Is this different?
No, no, no.
It's different.
So, you'll remember last week we covered, and by the way, some of you got sent us emails.
You didn't like seeing the video.
We heard you, but we actually think it's important that you see the violence and the grotesque nature of these crimes by people who should never be here.
Who shouldn't have been here in the first place.
So now there's a different story, not the Haitian story out of Fort Myers, where the guy was on temporary protected status.
And then, by the way, a bunch of GOP House members thought it would be a good idea to extend TPS indefinitely, apparently, for Haitians.
Well, that's dead on arrival.
Okay, that's not going to happen.
We're going to get them the hell out of our country, candidly, because this stuff infuriates me so much.
There's a new story of a Venezuelan criminal illegal in Houston this time.
Who kills a co worker with a sledgehammer?
And it's the same beats every single time.
Caught and released at the border by the Biden administration, November 2023.
An asylum seeker.
Got to give him his day in court.
ICE has now placed a detainer request on Jose Abraham Chirino Leonice.
I don't know how you say these things.
It's not Italian.
But yeah.
Jose Abraham Chirino Leonice.
Leonice.
Probably Leonice.
I do speak a little bit of Spanish.
Don't play the sound.
So, if you watch Thought Crime, you know the reference.
All right.
So, this is what they say this criminal legal who never should have been allowed in the country in the first place is accused of savagely beating a co worker to death.
This is the I statement with a sledgehammer and leaving him to die in a house they were renovating together.
Our officers are working tirelessly to restore integrity to our nation's immigration system to bring an end to the carnage and unnecessary suffering in this country that's caused by criminal illegal aliens.
And we won't rest until we've accomplished that mission.
All right.
So, let's just.
Paint the picture for you yet again.
There are forces within our government and within our corporate class that do not want us to remove these people.
And it is making the country weaker.
It's making the country poorer.
It's making the country more violent.
It's making the country less educated.
It's making the country more chaotic and less orderly.
It's making it dirtier.
It's making it way harder for normal Americans to get normal jobs.
And for some reason, and I'm looking at you, big ag, I'm looking at you, big hospitality, you guys want to make sure that these people stay in the country instead of paying Americans a living wage.
And this is the result people getting killed left and right, getting beat to death with sledgehammers or hammers.
And I'm so sick of the arguments where people are like, oh, but we have to have compassion.
No, compassionate immigration policy, so called, is cruelty to Americans.
It's cruelty to your fellow citizens.
And I don't know that the person that was killed in this instance was an American.
It doesn't matter.
It's a crime on our watch, and the blood is on the hands of the Biden administration.
And guess what?
The blood will be on the hands of big ag and big hospitality if you continue pushing this amnesty, diet amnesty, whatever you want to call it.
Oh, no pass to citizenship, has to pay a fine.
I don't want to hear about it.
And I'm candidly, I don't think the movement wants to hear about it.
Because if you guys rain on our parade here, if you take out the enthusiasm from the base, then we will get our just desserts when it comes to the midterms.
We will be roundly defeated in the midterms if you go soft on immigration, if you go soft on deportations.
None of us want to hear about it anymore.
I'm sick of even having to sort of play in the middle or what.
No, I'm not in the middle.
I want them all gone and I want sledgehammer deaths to stop.
Okay?
And guess what?
If an American kills somebody with a sledgehammer, that's on us.
That's our problem.
We inherited that from us.
Yeah, we will event like, You're inevitably going to have crimes that are homegrown, but the proper crime rate for people you let into this country should be nearly zero.
Zero.
A great comparison is anytime a plane crashes, we do a big investigation.
How did this plane crash?
What should we change to make sure this never happens again?
And as a result, we have almost no plane crashes in America.
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They're very rare, they used to be way more common.
It should be like that with immigration.
Anytime a guy like this, the Haitian hammer person, this Venezuelan sledgehammer person, every single time one of them becomes a murderer, assaults someone, Rape someone, kidnap someone, it should be required.
How did this person ever get into America?
What can we change to make sure this never happens again?
Because these people just should not be here, period.
Let me just like see, explain to you another way that this story is related.
The massive number of U.S. anchor baby births in 2023, which apparently is the last year we have on record, is the highest total since 2010, which was insane to me that we were already dealing with this number in 2010.
When 325,000 babies were born to illegal immigrant parents, this is according to Pew data.
So, not only are we letting these people in and we're letting them kill people with sledgehammers or cars or their CDLs, whatever, we're also letting them have babies at record numbers hundreds of thousands of babies.
10%?
10% of the population of new babies are children of illegal immigrants.
They're anchor babies.
And guess what?
The sad truth is that it's probably the Supreme Court is going to rule against this.
That's probably the sad truth.
I pray I'm wrong.
I will be so overjoyed if I'm wrong.
If we get a 5 4, that'll be the best 5 4 decision in my lifetime.
Children of illegals owe their allegiance to the country that they came from.
They do not owe their allegiance or their loyalty to us.
That's not what the law was made to do.
It's not what the amendment was made to do, the 14th Amendment.
It was made to make citizens out of freed slaves and their children.
The bastardization of our rule of law in defense of foreigners that have no business being here, have no allegiance to this country, like my kids do, like Blake does, like our team in the studio.
I was born in this country.
I'm going to die in this country.
My kids were born in this country.
They're going to die in this country.
I do not owe my allegiance to these people.
And our politicians in Washington need to get this straight.
I'm sick of caring about foreigners more than I care about Americans.
I'm sick of our politicians caring about foreigners more than we care about Americans.
It's done.
We're done.
And if you don't hear us, you will be punished.
And there's nothing more I can do about it than scream at the top of my lungs in this microphone and tell you to stop.
Knock it off.
We don't want diet amnesty.
Blake, please say something.
It's just, it really is a disgrace what they've done.
It's a disgrace how much they lie about this.
It's a disgrace how they just refuse to get the point.
And that we're a decade into, call it the MAGA moment, the MAGA movement, which remember how this started.
It started on immigration.
This started with immigration.
This started with Donald Trump.
Bill comes down.
Donald Trump comes down the escalator.
And that is what originally made him go viral that he's there giving his first speech as a candidate.
And he says that.
Rapists and other criminals are coming across the border.
And here we are a decade later.
And one, it's okay, thankfully, isn't happening under this admin, but it happened under the previous one.
And we still have Republicans fighting to defend this who flip out at the idea that we roll back our asylum system.
There was another headline I saw today.
So the Trump administration had fired one of our immigration judges.
And so that guy went and he decided to make a pilgrimage to the mountain home in Guatemala of the extended family of the last group of people he granted asylum to.
Here's an idea if you can go on a fun little white guilt savior trip, To Central America to take selfies with someone, that country doesn't get to claim asylum in the US.
I don't mean to get so worked up, but I feel like you guys probably feel the same.
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We have one of my favorite guests back on today, and that's Sean Davis, who's the CEO of The Federalist and a co founder of that great publication that I check every day.
There's only a few, and it's one of them.
Welcome back to the show, Sean.
Thanks for having me back.
It's great to have you back.
I know you've been busy lately, so thank you for making the time.
We are titling this entire time with you today, The Bait and Switch Democrats.
Okay.
And the reason we bring that up is because you never go full Virginia.
Don't ever go full Virginia.
Okay.
But That's what Virginia's doing.
And it's interesting.
I heard this clip this morning from Mamdani saying, a reporter asked him, Do you still believe in democratic socialism?
And he goes, I believe more than I did yesterday and the day before that.
And we're seeing this uptick in the radical left of the party, right?
They're gaining traction.
Even some of the Senate candidates that are far left are gaining traction.
But what's really creepy is just how much they are willing to go against things they even previously said.
I'm going to play this clip from Obama, who's been out front trying to push for the Gerrymandering this 10 1 map in Virginia, state that Kamala Harris won by about five points.
But they're all in on this, despite their previous comments.
I believe this is SOT 16.
By ending some of the partisan gerrymandering so that all voters have the power to choose their politicians, not the other way around.
In April, Virginians can respond by making sure your voting power is not diminished.
This amendment gives you the power to level the playing field in the midterms this fall.
This is the responsible thing to do.
And then, Sean, Virginia Senator Tim Kaine was on Fox News over the weekend and saying this is a fair thing to do.
Sot won.
Vice President Kamala Harris won by about five percentage points.
So this state is relatively split with a left lean, but 90% of House members from Virginia being from one party.
90% of Virginians are not Democrats.
That's true.
But about 100% of Virginians want election results to be respected.
We're deeply worried that Donald Trump will try to interfere with the election results this November or in 2028 because we saw him do it before.
And we have to have a Congress.
That will stand up to it.
We're giving Virginians a chance to vote, which Republican states have not done, about whether they want to have a congressional delegation that will stand up against Donald Trump's tyranny.
Sean, what do you make of this?
What they're willing to say in public is pretty shocking, actually.
It is.
Well, Democrats understand power.
This has been my constant beef with Republicans that Republicans don't truly understand the nature of power.
Democrats understand.
And one thing they understand about politics in this country is that if you can just get into office by whatever means necessary, you can kind of do whatever you want.
That was the lesson of the Obama presidency.
It was certainly the lesson of the Biden presidency.
He barely won and then came in and tried to deliver 100% of what Democrats want.
And so, what Democrats have realized is, hey, let's just lie about who we are because who we are is actually deeply unpopular.
People hate the things that we really deeply believe in, like transing children and taxpayer funded abortions through the moment of crowning at birth.
These are absolutely abhorrent views that most people in this country don't share.
And so, Democrats have just realized, hey, we're just going to lie about who we are.
We're going to go full Spanburger.
We're going to pretend we oppose all the bad things and we support all the good things.
And then, once we get in office, we're going to do whatever the heck we want to do.
And that's what they're doing.
And, you know, it's at some point you have to stop getting mad at them for doing the thing that is best for them as a party.
And at some point you just have to get mad at your own party for not understanding the game and not getting wise to it and not fighting on the terms that the other side is fighting on.
Well, check out this tweet from Abigail Spanberger from 2019, the now governor of that state.
This is good news.
And she's talking about gerrymandering.
This is good news for Virginia and the country.
Gerrymandering is detrimental to our democracy and it weakens the individual voices that form our electorates.
Opposing gerrymandering.
Should be a bipartisan priority.
We agree with you, Governor Spamberger.
That's why we oppose this measure.
Sean, looking at Virginia, and Blake deserves a ton of credit because he's been the one on our team that's like, we have to talk about Virginia.
We have to talk about Virginia.
And I was so eager.
I screwed it up last week and I thought the election was last week, Tuesday.
You can still vote if you're in Virginia until tomorrow.
But what do you make of the current state of Abigail Spamberger's governorship?
She's only been in office a little while.
Already her polls are tanking.
Does this bode well?
What are you seeing in the polling and on the energy on the ground?
I know a lot of your team is based right there in Virginia.
Yeah, so it's Spanberger is again a really interesting test case of whether words matter.
And what Democrats do when they talk, they don't use words like you and I use words.
To us, words have fixed meaning over space and time.
A certain word means the same thing today as it did 10 years ago.
Democrats do not view language in that same way.
Language is a weapon that they use to manipulate people into giving them what they want.
And that's why she can go and say that thing back in 2019 and say gerrymandering is bad because at that time for her and for Democrats, it was bad.
It's not bad for them right now.
So they have no problem changing their language because changing their language is what they need to do to get what they want.
Now, as far as her current political situation in Virginia, she's deeply unpopular.
And my guess is that when you, if you were to ask her office or people on her team, they'd say, yeah, we don't really care.
You get one term in Virginia.
You don't get to be governor over and over and over again.
She is there for four years.
She is going to do as much damage on behalf of Democrats as she possibly can.
And I, quite frankly, don't think anyone over there gives a crap about how unpopular she is.
Because the thing is, if you have 100% disapproval, she still has 100% of the power.
So what do they care?
And truthfully, it's very tough in Virginia specifically.
We've been, I don't know if blessed is the right term, but Democrats, when they mismanage California, they can drive everyone out because they make it, you can't really afford to live there.
You can't pursue a good job.
You can't raise family.
They'll influence people.
They mess it up in Illinois.
They mess it up.
We've benefited from people fleeing these blue states.
I know there's concerns about Californication, but actually, it mostly has driven out somewhat conservative leaning voters, and it's helped us in a lot of swing states.
But the.
Cheat code of Virginia is they don't need a real economy.
They basically can hold the rest of the country hostage to the federal government.
These federal jobs mostly never go away.
I know Trump has cut it back, but for the most part, they're there to stay.
They're recession proof.
DC is the one city in America that never has an economic crisis, and they're able to use this to just endlessly fund.
Well, by the way, you know, when we talk about people blackpilling and all this stuff, listen, the federal employment level is the lowest it's been since 1965.
So, good things are happening, right?
Which negatively impacts the cronyism and the corruption in Northern Virginia in a huge, huge way.
Yeah, Blake makes a fantastic point that Virginia, by virtue of Northern Virginia being where it is, seems immune.
There's a rather simple solution to that, but it requires using power for the good of the country.
And it would mean taking away Northern Virginia from Virginia and putting it back into the district where it belongs.
If you look at a map of D.C. originally, it was a little diamond.
You had a little bit in Maryland.
On the east side of the river, and you had a little bit in Virginia on the west side.
Well, at some point over time, they gave Virginia that land that was west of the Potomac back.
If you want to get rid of Virginia as a blue state forever because of Northern Virginia's grip on the country and Lockheed and Raytheon and all the government there, take it back, put it back in D.C., and overnight, Virginia is a red state again.
I've seen this theory floated, and I actually think it's great.
The original map included Northern Virginia.
And then by virtue of some sort of presidential decree, it was given back to Virginia, but you could take it back legally.
It would take some willpower.
It would be a lift.
You could debate whether it would work.
I like the idea.
I like the spirit of it.
Honestly, it puts them on the defense.
We should move forward with it.
Sean, I want to show you this clip from Carvel.
It's not nice, but I think this is exactly what they're planning SOT 21.
The Democrats win the presidency in both houses of Congress.
I think on day one, they should make Puerto Rico, D.C., a state, and they should expand the Supreme Court to 13.
Eat our dust.
They've done everything they could that they held up the 2000 election.
They stole it.
They've stolen Supreme Court seats.
They've gerrymandered everything that you can.
And the only way to fight this is don't run on it.
Don't talk about it.
Just do it.
She said, okay, we got 54 senators and we got 13 court members.
Thank you.
Goodbye.
Because you're not going to get a fast shake any kind of way in this system.
18% of the United States elects 52 senators.
Well, you're not going to make it equitable, but you'll make it better by adding Puerto Rico and D.C.
So, Sean, he says, don't talk about it, don't run on it, just do it.
That's the Democrat way.
Bait and switch Democrats.
Your reaction.
Yeah, and understand the ramifications of that plan he's talking about.
That basically makes elections relevant, national elections in this country irrelevant going forward.
Indefinitely.
Because if they add DC, that's two Democrat seats instantly.
That's the only reason they care.
They don't actually care about providing the rights and benefits and privileges of statehood to DC residents.
They just want to load the deck in the Senate.
And then Puerto Rico, it's the same thing.
So bam, they get four more seats forever.
And then you pack the court with four more Democrat seats for the next 50 years.
That will lead to the radical transformation that cannot be undone by Democrats to this country forever.
And it is.
A source of constant frustration to me that Republicans, especially those in Washington, don't seem to understand that Democrats are not messing around.
They play for keeps.
They use power for the sake of power.
They reward their friends and they punish their enemies, namely us, and that they're not screwing around anymore.
So when James Carville, who's not a nobody, it's kind of a big name in Democrat politics, when he is out there going and saying this out loud, you should take it very seriously.
Understand what they want to do to you.
Understand what they want to do to this country.
They're not just going to come in and get 51% of the power and then give their base 51% of what they want.
They're going to come in and do everything they can forever to make sure that no one can ever wrest control from them ever again.
So we just were talking to Ken Paxton about John Cornyn and his history as, did he say Texas's longest serving senator?
He's going for his 50th anniversary.
A lot of accomplishments there.
What are the structural reasons you think that it does feel like?
Democrats on balance are a bit better at responding to bubbled up concerns of their base, that they're ready to deliver on this very radical platform because the Democrat base wants it.
Whereas we were talking about Cornham, we were talking about Republicans, if not quite updated, to we don't want amnesty for Haitian illegal immigrants or Venezuelan illegal immigrants who are attacking people with hammers.
It does seem so consistently the Republican leadership doesn't get it.
And why are we so consistently stuck with leaders who don't get it?
Yeah, I think it's a fantastic question, by the way.
I think the major reason is control of the media.
And for whatever reason, way too many Republicans who find their way into Washington still care about what the New York, D.C. media thinks about them.
And so the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN and all of them can come out and say awful things about you if you want to deport people who are here illegally.
And then those Republicans will just.
Buckle because they don't like having mean things said about them.
So, the first thing I think that matters is Republicans, Republican donors, Republican activists need to understand how important media control is.
It's not just enough to have the internet, these legacy corporate outlets do matter.
They have real cultural and political power.
And then, number two, I think unfortunately, a lot of Republicans who end up in Washington are really just cowards.
They don't have the fortitude.
They don't have the stones in the spine to do what needs to be done to save the country.
So they can be bullied into not doing things that really need to be done.
Democrats, say what you will about them, do not seem to have that problem.
They do not seem to have a problem with dealing with the political consequences of what they want.
Because look at Nancy Pelosi with Obamacare.
She knew that it was going to hurt Democrats for a cycle or two.
But she knew that what they were going to do was going to so radically change the country and the economy that in the long term, It would accrue to the benefit of Democrats.
And they just seem to have a longer term thought process when it comes to politics and much stiffer spines politically than Republicans can do.
So, I mean, we've got to take control of the media so that we can actually eliminate some of these incentives that Democrats create.
And then we also need to be electing people with a lot bigger balls and a lot stiffer spines.
Yeah, well said.
And I think also another piece of this, we hear this constantly, by the way.
And if you look at some of the major nightly news broadcasts or daytime news shows, you'll see a bunch of establishment.
GOP senators going on the air saying, We need Cornyn.
We need Cornyn.
I don't know if that's a good old boys club.
We need Cornyn for what?
What has he done?
He let in a bunch of Afghan folks after Joe Biden screwed up the withdrawal of Afghanistan.
So I don't know what he's done other than be a thorn in the side of the president.
But okay, sure.
I guess we're having a discussion about this.
I don't know.
What are we discussing?
Anyways, the thought here, though, is that you see this at the Ken Paxton John Cornyn fight.
The line they'll use is Ken Paxton's too conservative to get elected.
He won't win a general.
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And this is the line.
And they hurl this at turning point action all the time.
And they blame us for any loss that happens in Arizona because we backed the candidate that was too conservative or whatever, right?
I am telling you, and maybe you have a thought on this, but going ahead of the midterms, you know, this push for diet amnesty, all this kind of garbage, they are going to depress turnout if they don't give the base what it wants and what it's demanding.
Do you agree or disagree?
Am I missing something?
No, I 100% agree.
These people can't even go and get voter ID and the Save America Act passed.
They'll go and they'll happily float the idea of new amnesty.
They'll say, hey, we need to go and do FISA again because that whole spying thing has worked out so well for Republicans.
They learned that the Biden admin was illegally spying on all of them.
And their response to that is, you know, we should probably just pass FISA.
And no, we really can't do the Save America Act.
We need to get to other stuff like permitting reform and this nonsense.
And that nonsense.
And my goodness, there are some states where you know what?
Maybe you can't get the most conservative person on earth.
Maine is a good example.
We are talking about freaking Texas.
We are talking about the Republic of Texas, one of the most conservative states in the country, a state that has not had a statewide elected Democrat in I think like 25 years.
And you're telling us that a guy who's currently in statewide office right now and has been for years is too conservative.
It's just a bunch of lies because they want to help out their buddies.
And they don't like the idea of actually having to do anything that they promised to do last time they ran.
Well, and they're prepared to waste about $150 million on John Cornyn.
Instead of fighting Democrats with that money, instead of funneling it somewhere useful to maybe maintain control of the House or maintain control of the Senate in the midterms, no, we're spending it against Ken Paxton.
Genius people.
It's madness.
Sean Davis, you're the man.
The Federalists, check it out.
Follow him on socials.
Good to see you, my friend.
Thank you all.
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