How One Awful Headline Fueled Countless Conspiracies In the Tyler Robinson Case
Charlie Kirk and guests dissect the Tyler Robinson trial, exposing how a misleading Daily Mail headline about inconclusive ballistic evidence fueled conspiracy theories despite matching casings and DNA proof. The discussion briefly touches on military strategy in Iran before shifting to microplastic dangers found in prostate cancer tissues, promoting kimchi and Brightcore's "Kimchi One" capsules as gut-health solutions. Finally, the episode highlights a Gen Z religious revival and criticizes the NBA for double standards regarding faith versus misconduct, concluding with an investment promotion. [Automatically generated summary]
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Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's March 31st.
Blake, welcome.
Hello.
We had quite an evening.
When we got home, there was a breaking news story about the Tyler Robinson trial, which.
Sub-breaking news story.
It wasn't actually breaking.
That's really what we actually want to emphasize because there's.
There's several pieces of it, and what people decided to run with online was pretty different from what you and I actually think is the biggest reveal of it.
There was actually a lot of reveals, but people should know this.
So essentially, the Daily Mail comes out with an article that says the bullet does not match the gun.
This is the literal headline that the Daily Mail used and which got millions of views on it.
Millions.
The headline was bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not, all caps, match rifle allegedly used by suspect Tyler Robinson.
New court filing claims.
Now, we're going to have to unpack that.
We're going to unpack a lot of that.
But here to help us do it is somebody that I've been watching online for a while now.
I've been really impressed with his takes.
I've never met him in person before.
But he agreed to come on because he was instantly on top of this story.
His name is Justin Nazaroff.
He's the CEO of Phoenix Ammunition.
Welcome to the show, Justin.
Thanks for having me, guys.
Yeah, it was the first time I've ever seen you, Justin.
So it's great to see you.
So let's just take apart this.
Headline from the Daily Mail.
I saw you criticizing it as sort of an egregious misrepresentation of the facts.
They're saying the bullet does not match the rifle, you know, court filing claims, right?
What's your read of what actually it says?
Well, I mean, it's one of those headlines where they can say something that's true, but because they leave out the context, as soon as you read the article, you can see why it's false.
And so.
What they did was they analyzed a bullet jacket fragment and were unable to determine that it came from the shooter's rifle.
So, unfortunately, ballistic science is, in a lot of cases, a best guess, and in many other cases, pseudoscience.
But what we know is it doesn't work like CSI Las Vegas.
When a bullet hits something and deforms, which is What we've been talking about the whole time, we're assuming that the shooter probably used a hollow point or some other bullet that is functionally intended to.
Deform when it hits something.
And so when it does that, it doesn't come out in a nice, perfect form where you can see all the lands and grooves from the barrel and make a positive match.
So in this case, they can't determine whether the bullet was fired from the rifle, but they also can't determine that it wasn't fired from the rifle.
That's effectively all I'm saying.
They're saying that there's some reasonable doubt that it could theoretically have been something else.
Now, and I'm not making an affirmative declaration one way or another.
I want people to understand that this has nothing to do with what I think happened or what anybody else thinks happened.
All I'm doing is looking at the facts.
And as somebody who's been doing this for a very long time, knowing that most people just really don't understand much about firearms generally, and even people in the firearms community who do understand firearms generally don't really know a lot about ammunition.
Yeah, and so you're saying basically because the fragmentation of the bullet was so severe, I don't mean to sort of infer by your tone here, but you're saying, of course, this would be one of the options.
Of course, you wouldn't be able to necessarily identify it via forensic evidence with the gun.
There's other ways you could.
Now, the caliber matches, all of these kinds of things.
But I think what people expect is sort of the CSI.
Version of reality.
A lot of people think, and I think this is a graphic you can see in TV shows or movies where they'll take like a bunch of little pieces of metal out of like, you know, and then they'll like put them all onto like a little, you know, machine and then like the computer will assemble all the bits and they'll just see it.
Oh, they'll like bend the bits and reassemble the bullet and then like green text will pop up that says confirm dead.
Ding, ding, ding.
Yeah.
So yeah, I'm just going to read one of your tweets.
I'm not going to put it up on screen because you use some colorful language here, Justin, but you say, Completely and utterly misleading garbage about this Daily Mail headline.
You say the bullet is unable to be identified because it's fragmented, you use more colorful language here, it's fragmented into a bunch of pieces.
And when that happens, they don't do some magic CSI Las Vegas animation where they manage to reassemble the bullet and perfectly align the lands and grooves to match a barrel.
None of that is real.
That is not how science works.
And so, I, and then, you know, it was interesting to watch the internet last night.
This story hits.
All the usual suspects take it and run it.
And then a bunch of saner voices come in and say, This is not something new.
We've known that the bullet fragmented.
We knew that lining up the gun.
We knew in the first days after that that the bullet fragmented.
Yeah, lining it perfectly up to the rifle was going to be a challenge.
But there's other ways that you could match, in theory, right?
And again, I respect that you're not trying to say this happened or that happened.
You're just giving us the details, you're giving us the facts.
There's other ways you could match a gun to a bullet, correct?
Like if the casings match or the They could test the metal and show this is the same metal as the rounds that were recovered with the rifle, which remember, we have a rifle with rounds that have political messages engraved on them.
And the casing that they have from this also has a message engraved on it, apparently, that matches.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I'll even walk that back a bit further.
It's actually very difficult to match a bullet to a rifle.
So, for example, 30-odd six as a cartridge uses the same bullet that's used in 308 Winchester.
So, even if you recovered a 308 diameter bullet that was perfectly intact, if you didn't have the rifle that it was fired from to match the lands and grooves, there would be no way for you to determine that it was fired from a rifle chambered in 308 Winchester or 30-odd six.
And so then when you start mangling up bullets that are roughly about the same size, a lot of medium to large caliber rifles use projectiles that are roughly the same length, roughly the same weight, roughly the same diameter.
So if you smash those up into pieces, you may not even, if they didn't have a rifle to compare it to, there's no guarantee that they would even be able to know what the caliber of the cartridge was beyond reasonable doubt.
So it's a very inexact science.
And in case, In this case, Candace Owens, I hate to bring her up, but she mentioned on her podcast on September 25th that the bullet was fragmented into pieces.
So, this is something that the people on that side of the fence have known for a long time.
And they're just basically milking more views and more audience out of the same information we already had.
It's basically like Schrdinger's bullet, right?
If they had managed to recover a fully intact bullet where the lands and grooves matched perfectly, People on the other side would say, well, it's obvious that the bullet was planted because you're telling me that a bullet was fired through a human being and it was in perfect condition.
There's no way that that came out of Charlie Kirk.
It must have been something that they fired in a test range and this is what they're using to frame the shooter.
But in this case, because it's broken up into pieces, they can say, oh, well, see, we can't even identify the bullet.
So it must not have been Tyler Robinson.
It has to be somebody else.
It's just, it's nonsense.
Inconclusive or unable to identify is not the same as does not match.
So, it's a reckless headline.
They know what they were doing.
It's despicable.
So, here's the interesting thing.
So, if you looked at all this documentation, and again, this was not new news.
There was a court filing, actually, I think by the media that confirmed the fragmentation of the bullet and the ATF report a couple of weeks back, but somehow this became the headline.
The defense also referenced, so they used this to say, hey, we're going to try and delay this trial even more, which, in my opinion, Would be unfortunate because I think the country, there's a void that's filled.
The legal system does not move at the speed of social media, and we see this causing problems all the time.
But it's interesting.
In this same document, they say the defense also referenced the massive size of evidence amassed by 28 law enforcement agencies in the case.
According to the motion, the discovery in the case includes 20,000 files, 61,500 pages of documents and images, and over 700 hours of video.
Not to mention, we also.
Find out that the parents and the trans identifying boyfriend, Lance Twiggs, are going to be prosecuted or going to be testifying on behalf of the prosecution.
And yet, this is what becomes the headline.
What do you make of all of that, Justin, when you kind of take it all in together?
Well, it seems obvious that there are people who will latch onto the piece of evidence that they think can be most easily used to confuse people.
Like I was getting at earlier, this is a situation where no matter what they said about the bullet in particular, there would be a way for them to spin it to either prove or disprove what they think happened.
So, unfortunately, all the other evidence, the videos and what have you, none of that has been viewable by the public.
And I think once that does become viewable, it will answer a lot of these questions and ideally get everybody on the same page.
But for the time being, Most of the theories on the other side of the table revolve around the idea that it could not have been Tyler Robinson because there's no way that a 30-odd six could have caused the damage that it caused without causing more damage.
And so, well, yeah, yeah, a pause right there because a lot of this has, and I hate going into it on this, but like at some point we have to.
Charlie was my friend, he was Blake's friend.
He sat in this chair for years, and it's hard to even talk about this because it is graphic in nature.
But you know, a lot of this conspiracy stuff goes around no exit wound.
Well, there's different types of bullets, and I'm getting educated on this.
And when you see fragmentation like this, What does that tell you about the nature of the round itself?
What kind of, you know, there's hollow point, there's full metal jacket.
Does it tell you something about the type of round and why there wouldn't be an exit wound?
Yeah, it tells me that somebody wanted Charlie Kirk dead.
I mean, that's really the long and the short of it.
If you're going to assassinate somebody, you would most assuredly use some sort of a hollow point projectile or some other type of projectile that's designed to break into pieces because that's what causes the most terminal damage on the target.
You would not want to use something like a full metal jacket bullet where it would pass all the way through the target and leave a relatively small entry and possibly small exit room.
So, this is exactly what I would expect.
I mean, you know, like you hate to say it, but if you are in a position to politically assassinate somebody, that's exactly the round that you would choose.
So, it tells me that this is somebody who thought about it a little bit.
And decided that they wanted somebody dead.
It's consistent with somebody that knows enough about firearms to understand that you're using a hollow point round for things like hunting and self defense, specifically for that reason, because they expand, they unfold, they break into pieces, and generally leave no exit wound.
Because in those cases, the idea is to prevent hitting somebody that's behind the person that you're trying to defend yourself from or causing it to pass all the way through an animal and perhaps endanger somebody behind it.
Or just at worst, passing through and not causing enough damage to, you know, either eliminate the threat in the case of a self defense scenario or in the case of hunting, you know, to cause the animal to die quickly and humanely.
So, this is 100% consistent with what I would have expected to hear.
What I've gathered, you know, is that apparently in 40% of cases involving high velocity rounds, They're unable to match a bullet to a weapon because of this fragmentation that happens.
Apparently, it's very common, almost half of the cases, you can't match it because the bullet is so badly damaged.
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Which I want to really dive into that because, okay, we're still able to make conclusions in cases where they can't make that match.
And that's what we really should emphasize.
The real news of the past few days from these filings from the defense is they're reacting to evidence that the prosecution is planning to present, including at the preliminary hearing that they want pushed back.
By six months, because they're trying to drag this case out as long as possible.
At the preliminary hearing, it is reported that the prosecution plans to call Tyler Robinson's parents and Tyler Robinson's furry boyfriend to the stand.
So we've seen over and over, it's actually, it just gets wildly alleged on social media that actually his parents didn't turn him in.
Actually, his parents don't, they're not cooperating with police.
They've just lied about these things when in reality, we know from endless documentation, they were involved in turning him in.
And now it appears that they're ready to testify in the case.
Right.
And that is how we're able to reach conclusions about this case without a bullet match.
Yeah.
And you can say the casings match, the DNAs match, the markings on the bullet casings match.
The text messages match?
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of other.
His location matches?
Yeah.
Justin, final 30 seconds to you.
What do you want people to take away from what we believe is a misleading headline from the Daily Mail?
Yeah, I want people to take away the fact that, again, ballistic science is very inexact at best.
And you're dealing with a lot of people on the internet who have no knowledge of it whatsoever.
And so it's very easy to, even in court cases, it's very easy to confuse a jury.
You know, they discussed ammunition in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and a lot of the information that they presented was false on both sides, actually.
So, this is not an exact science.
This is not something that you can draw 100% conclusions about.
This is but one piece of evidence among many.
And I wish people would just take a breath and relax.
Justin, thank you for joining us.
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Want to bring in the one, the only, Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press, welcome back to the show, my friend.
Lots going on in the world.
I didn't brief you on this, but if you feel like chiming in, please do about this whole Daily Mail thing.
I'm sure you saw the headline.
Do you have thoughts, Kane?
Yeah, did you see what headlines I gave it?
No, I've had a busy couple of hours, like 24 hours, I would say.
Yeah, I gave Kane, there's an ex guy, a Twitter guy, Kane Akoa.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, so I found that tweet, and it was a really good sort of breakdown of why the Daily Mail headline is ridiculous.
And so, yeah, so I've got a lot of Twitter clowns fall for Charlie Kirk assassination subplot, the bullet misdirection play.
That is a good headline.
Thank you for that one, Kane.
There you go, Kane.
And then you have Tyler Robinson DNA found all over rifle.
Furry boyfriend Lance Twigs called to testify.
Thank you very much.
That's very appreciated.
I didn't even know.
You know, we booked this before this whole story dropped, and.
It's been a busy, like I said, let's just say 12 to 18 hours.
So, usually I'm like, I've got the stack on my desktop just constantly refreshing.
So, you know me.
But, no, that's great headlines.
Yeah, there was another one.
I think I just went, I gave it a third headline to the Kanekoa tweet.
Ridiculous headline from the Daily Mail.
I didn't even want, I didn't link to the Daily Mail story.
I didn't even really want, because it's so confusing.
You know, I had to read it a couple of times.
First of all, Just the way the visual, the graphics of Daily Mail are horrible.
So they make reading stories difficult to begin with.
And then when you go with a misleading headline like that, You know, it makes it even worse as you sort of go ahead.
No, no, I was just going to say, I didn't mean to cut you off.
I just think it's worth reading Kanekoa the Great's tweet here because it was good.
He says, What a misleading headline from the Daily Mail.
The ATF ran a tool mark analysis on a bullet jacket fragment recovered from Charlie's autopsy.
The result was inconclusive, not no match.
The jacket was too fragmented to compare, which also partially explains the lack of an exit wound.
The bullet shattered on impact.
Inconclusive means.
Insufficient evidence to draw any conclusion.
It doesn't mean the bullet did not match the rifle, like the headline says.
The defense wants to use inconclusive as exculpatory evidence, but the prosecution wants to run chemical or molecular analysis comparing the jacket alloy to ammunition recovered with the gun.
Unlike tool mark analysis, it doesn't require an intact bullet.
The defense is trying to block that testing from happening.
That's the nuance of the real story.
That's very well said and very concise.
Yeah, he's good on everything.
That guy, he.
He had a substack for a while that he was keeping up with, but he writes fantastic stuff.
That's why I actually put the Tyler Robinson DNA post in there as well.
Was just that one, you know, some of the best stuff is often found in the replies, the top replies on Twitter.
And, you know, it was just some, it was actually Grok, I think, pointing out that Tyler Robinson's DNA was found on the trigger, it was found on multiple parts of the rifle.
So, anyway, it's just ridiculous to me.
I'll just say this because I want to hear your and Blake's thoughts because I don't really live in this world.
As I've told you, I'm too busy sort of on the stack juggling tabs, right?
So, I'm not able to spend time on X and follow what's going on and the machinations.
And it's just insanity to me that this entire subculture has built up around an actual belief in an alternate shooter.
So, I'm just not going to say any more than that, but it's just.
Other than it's shocking to me.
Like every time I venture, like I did yesterday, I'm just stunned that people actually believe this stuff.
So, yeah, well, it was interesting too to kind of see the, it was a bit of a back and forth, right?
You see the headline, massive amount of, you know, we told you so.
You know, I think people kind of, in a weird, sick way, rushing to Tyler Robinson's defense.
People want Tyler Robinson to be acquitted.
In the case of some people, I think it's just because they actively like the idea of Charlie's killer getting away with it.
Yeah.
I think that's clearly the case, the motive with some of them.
Some of them are just so addicted to their particular conspiracy hobby horses that they, you know, it's the, you know, every single thing looks like a nail to a hammer.
And I think some want to have part of like an inside knowledge that they know better that you can't trust the authorities.
What's interesting to me though, and I made this, I haven't said this out loud yet, but that line of thinking of that you can't trust our authorities, well, hold on.
Now you're trusting an ATF analysis that came back inconclusive.
So if, If they were just trying to conspire to get Tyler Robinson convicted against the real truth that some other person did it or he was a patsy or whatever, why would the ATF not just come back with a, oh, it's conclusive?
So, on the one hand, you don't want to listen to the feds, but on the other hand, you're very willing to believe that this bullet was the inconclusive findings from the ATF.
So, it kind of defeats their own argument if you think of it that way.
But, you know, listen, I think what was interesting from a media perspective, and I think you would appreciate this, Kane, is that it felt like this headline was engineered to get this reaction.
That's what bothered me the most because it was so reckless, it was so irresponsible.
I call it media malfeasance.
It was engineered to play into this cottage industry that's developed online.
Yeah, there was a lot of interesting stuff that both of you said, but I'll start with the last part.
Yeah, look, Daily Mail editors know what the heck they're doing with these headlines.
They know what's going on in the subplot, as you said, and it was manufactured for them.
That's why I believe in free speech, but there was someone who had made a comment that Daily Mail should actually be blocked from X for a week or for two weeks as punishment for such a horrible headline.
Saying that the bullet didn't match.
And then going into what you guys said before, it is just look, it's weird anytime you try to get into the brain of a conspiracy theorist, right?
How do you go into all of the reasons that maybe they get a thrill out of it?
They want to know stuff that other people don't know.
All of that is true.
And it kind of sucks.
I mean, I want to, you know, part of me always feels like, you know, it sort of sucks that it's allowed to be out there, that this kind of stuff is allowed to.
You know, get seep into the subconscious of what happened surrounding Charlie's assassination, but at the same time, it's free speech, and you can't, you know, you gotta allow everything.
But this is really one of those examples where I wish certain people could have been gagged, you know, just maybe if there was a stupidity meter for speech that your speech has to pass a sub level bar before it's allowed in, you know, for the rest of us to hear.
But anyway, yeah, I don't know how you guys deal with it.
I honestly don't know how you deal with it.
Yeah, I. You know, listen, the only way through is through, Kane.
I will tell you.
And God gives us enough grace for each and every day.
I will tell you.
And, you know, here's the encouraging part, though.
And I didn't really finish my thought it was like a seesaw.
So you get this first wave, and then you have this army of people, most of whom I have no idea who these people are, rushing to Team Sanity, basically saying, You guys are taking this in a misleading direction.
It's a misleading headline.
You guys are being idiots.
We had Phoenix Ammunition, who's a guy I've just seen on Twitter, an ex.
You know, basically trying to talk sense into people for months.
And I finally was like, I reached out to him.
I was like, Hey, man, I saw your comment on this.
Would you come on and just say that on the show if you feel like it's true?
And he was like, Absolutely.
You know, it's just some new friend, you know, just through the mix of this.
And I've seen so much of this online where you're seeing the emergence of new, like, powerful, confident voices rushing to Team Sanity.
So it was actually kind of cool because you saw, like, the vibe shift in real time last night.
So there's the positive benefit of free speech right there, even if it's ugly and stupid.
Yeah, there's a cost for free speech.
There is a cost for free speech.
And the cost is that sometimes stupid people say stupid things.
But hopefully, courage and wisdom, prudence, will rush in and fill the void.
So it's not just one side winning the day, if you will.
Kane, I have so much more I want to get to besides the Daily Mail story.
And that, we've run through most of our segment here, but I'm going to keep you for the next segment so we get to it.
But let's just start here.
Citizen Free Press, how are the troops doing?
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How's the base feeling right now?
We got a final 30, 40 seconds here.
They're hanging with it.
They're hanging with it.
You know, we're still, this is day 31.
I think people are giving Trump six to seven and a half weeks to finish this thing.
Yeah, the Netanyahu comment that we're beyond the halfway point from Israel's standpoint.
I just put up the Jamie Dimon.
People should go to Citizen Free Press, find that Jamie Dimon quote where he says, regardless of whether you think we should have started this war, now that we're in it, ignore the freaking markets, screw the markets.
And finish the war correctly.
Logistically, it's much better just to finish the thing.
So I think that's, but to answer the basis.
Is still hanging in there with Trump.
Well, that's good to know.
I mean, nobody knows the base like Kane at Citizen Free Press.
You guys have a massive, massive audience.
Millions of people check it every day, and I recommend everybody check out Citizen Free Press every day.
I usually am like, I know your stack as well as you do, usually on most days, but it's been a busy one here, Kane.
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When it comes to Iran, you're saying that the base is sticking there with Trump.
They're extending him a bit of trust, a bit of leash, because they know that he's not gotten us into forever wars and quagmires in the Middle East like so many other presidents before him.
Question, though.
What happens if President Trump uses boots on the ground?
Do you see that that trust and that confidence, that patience would fade?
It'll cause a massive freak out on X, that's for sure.
I mean, you know, all of this is sort of relative, right?
They've laid the groundwork.
Hegsev talked about it this morning.
There are 15 different ways they could use combat troops, and then yet they might not need them at all.
He's trying to keep the enemy guessing.
But it's also, I don't.
Did we lose him?
I don't know.
We might have lost Kane for a second.
See if you guys can get him back.
I want to play this.
He mentioned this Jamie Dimon clip that was kind of an unexpected.
To take on Iran, saying you got to get the job done right.
SOP 15.
I think the market, you know, like some markets are unpredictable, and it's hard for me to tell you exactly what, but I think they're just looking at is there a chance something can go wrong?
Now, we should all hope nothing goes wrong.
We should all hope that these bad people are, you know, that we win this thing and clean up the straits and that Iran is no longer a threat to everybody.
But, you know, the markets will be concerned until it's over.
It's much more important that this be successfully completed than what the market does.
Yeah, and let's play another clip while we're waiting for Kane to get back connected.
This is Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.
It seems like the misdirection here is part of the play.
They want to keep the Iranians guessing, the regime guessing.
SOC 2.
President Trump and boots on the ground.
We're not going to foreclose any option.
You can't fight and win a war if you tell your adversary what you are willing to do or what you are not willing to do, to include boots on the ground.
Our adversary right now, Thinks there are 15 different ways we could come at them with boots on the ground.
And guess what?
There are.
So if we needed to, we could execute those options on behalf of the President of the United States and this department.
Or maybe we don't have to use them at all.
Misdirection, is that the point?
Oh, sir, for sure.
I mean, I'm, you know, I've, you guys have probably read The Art of War by Sun Tzu.
I don't think I ever, maybe I did read that in college.
So yeah, keep them guessing.
You know, your original question was how will the base react?
And so, my quick response is certain people will freak out, but I think it's going to be limited and contained.
And I also think it's possible that we may not know about it in real time.
It's possible that an operation can occur in 12 hours, 24 hours, and then we'll hear about it.
Obviously, that changes if we're talking about occupying Karg Island.
There's a lot of other things like Trump talking about wanting control over a certain amount of the Iranian oil, and that would mean probably holding the occupation of Karg Island.
So, there's a lot of, you know, Think a lot of variables, let's put it that way.
But how will the overall base respond positively as long as there aren't a huge number of American deaths?
I think that's really the barometer.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So go ahead.
Well, I just, I find that interesting.
So I think we've been talking about it, Blake and I. You know, yesterday I said very clearly, I don't support boots on the ground.
I think, I think there has to be, because listen, once you do boots on the ground, then there's a reason to send more boots on the ground.
Lives are on the line, casualties mount.
And there's always, yes, there's always going to be an excuse to expand the operation.
There's always going to be, well, we're this committed, we're this pot committed, keep putting more troops in.
Well, we got to get, if we do a little bit of a surge over here, then we're going to be able to get this.
So listen, I hear Jamie Dimon's point, and I sort of agree at some level, right?
If you're going to do this, the die's already been cast, get the job done right.
I understand that.
When you go boots on the ground, that's another level.
You're saying that the vibe from the base, as you're perceiving it at Citizen Free Press, is that you think that they will continue extending patience for the president, trust in the president, so long as the casualties don't match.
That's actually the dividing line that you're perceiving.
Well, that's the one thing you can't really argue against.
If you're trying to say, give the president time, give the president time, and then someone says, well, there's 100 deaths, that's a very difficult thing to argue to say that 100 Americans should have lost their lives in this war.
I'm against boots on the ground as well.
I think the boots on the ground ought to be somehow an Iranian force andor a Gulf nation force.
I mean, if.
Or let the Israelis lead the charge if they want to do that.
Yeah, all of that.
Look, I certainly don't think we should take Karg Island just so that we end up with control of a certain percentage of Iranian oil.
Like, that's not a good enough reason.
I think the whole point of this is get rid of their ballistic missiles, get rid of their uranium, and if you can, if you're lucky, allow for a regime change where the theocracy is gone.
You know, getting Iranian oil is not the fourth pillar of this thing, and that shouldn't be the reason for truth.
But when you ask how the base, I feel like deaths.
Are really going to be the thing.
If, you know, we'll see.
I would say it's at least a 50 50 chance that we are going to have boots on the ground.
So we're going to find out.
Blake, any thoughts on that?
I mean, I think he's correct.
I think the base has clearly shown they're willing to trust President Trump.
But I think, who was it just the other day who argued the support is there, but it's soft?
It's soft.
It's thin support.
That was Knowles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's not, I don't think it's the sort of thing that will survive a really severe stress test.
And if it starts to be hundreds of casualties, or if there starts to be really serious economic consequences as a side effect of this, I just think a lot of people are going to say, I support getting on now.
They might even say, I support the president's strategy while also saying, end the war immediately.
Yeah.
Kane, do you feel any consternation?
Because he's now talking about France and the UK, how they haven't been helping us, and they can come get their own jet fuel, they can come get their own oil.
Some are reading that as like an end to the American empire, end to the Global world order as we've known it.
Other people are like, screw these European people because they're weak and they're feckless and they're useless.
What do you think the base is perceiving that as?
I would say that the latter.
Those were some funny comments from Trump.
I mean, we all can sort of tell when he's being tongue in cheek and when he's being completely serious, and there was definitely some sarcasm there.
But it's nice, you know?
It's nice for a president to have no concern for norms of communication.
And just sort of speak the way he does.
Going back to the boots on the ground thing, you had even Lindsey Graham.
I haven't put it in the stack yet, but he's got that quote out there.
Yeah, he's got that quote out there saying that we ought to get close to wrapping this thing up.
So I think you're going to see a lot of pressure, and I think Trump knows it.
Citizen Kane, Citizen Free Press, great job as always, my friend.
We'll have you on again soon.
Be well.
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Right now, I want to kind of change gears here and I want to bring on Ellie Hirsch.
She is the The Brightcore Senior Health Advisor.
So, what is Brightcore?
They have a bunch of these products, supplements, whatever, that help deal with your gut, with microplastics, and so much more.
There's a lot of reasons this ties in.
We got the whole Maha crowd.
Maha is a completely different part of the coalition, and we need to be talking about Maha.
We need to be talking about making our food healthier, making our bodies healthier, if we're going to keep the coalition together.
I'm just going to be honest.
We're not doing a good enough job about that.
So, what's why I wanted to bring on Ellie?
Ellie Hirsch, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thank you for having me.
Absolutely.
So, I am very passionate about Maha.
Charlie was very passionate about Maha, Make America Healthy Again.
And so, this was this product you guys have, and Blake was all into it.
And I was like, we got to do this.
So, Blake went to Korea with Charlie, and apparently, all they did was eat the vegetables.
All they eat is pickled vegetables.
Pickled vegetables.
If you go to East Asia, it's their staple.
Take every single vegetable, they pickle it, and then they eat it at every single meal.
And apparently, they're so healthy because of it, which is frustrating because I eat zero pickled vegetables.
Anything.
I actually don't like the taste.
But then I was talking to Kathleen.
What's wrong with you?
So Kathleen was like, this stuff, this thing is actually really intense.
So why don't you just like start there?
Like microbiome, microplastics, give us the whole like pitch.
Yeah, it's a lot to cover for sure.
I really want to start though with what's happening in the world right now and how it's affecting our bodies and how Kimchi is solving the problem.
So, you know, we're talking about that's a big statement, Ellie.
That's a big statement.
Just for the record, when you hear that kimchi is solving somebody's problem, it doesn't naturally follow.
But I've actually become convinced that it's true.
It's why we're here.
So continue.
Yes.
Yes.
I am proof.
Our customers are proof.
I'm telling you, and we'll get to that in a little bit, that kimchi is the answer to a lot of these things.
And, you know, war, things like that that are happening around us, okay?
It's affecting everybody.
Okay, obviously, it's affecting our soldiers and people on the other side of the world.
Okay, and war, we know this, it hurts everybody, right?
And what's happening is bombs and fires and destroyed buildings and vehicles and damaged factories.
They're releasing dirty smoke, toxic chemicals, heavy metals, tiny plastic particles in the air, water, and soil.
So I want to start there because it's what reality is.
Well, and Ellie, I was looking this up.
So this is actually true.
And by the way, even if it wasn't a war, it's like, China's doing this all the time, anyways, just through their factories.
But this goes up to the upper atmosphere, the higher levels of the atmosphere, and then it travels all around the world.
So even though we are so far removed from what's happening in Iran, this stuff actually affects the entirety of the population on planet Earth.
Correct.
So no matter where you live, these microplastics and toxins are having a significant negative impact on your health.
And for those who may not know what microplastics are, I think we all do, but But they're tiny plastic particles that form when larger plastic items break down because there's sunlight, there's heat, there's friction, right?
And they are found everywhere our oceans, rivers, soil, food, drinking water.
We're breathing it in, it's in our air.
And because they're so small, Andrew, they are able to easily move through the food chain and enter the bloodstream and our organs.
They're absorbed, they're ingested, and they're inhaled.
Every time we take a breath, we are inhaling microplastics.
And I have a couple of really scary statistics here.
So, did you know that microplastics are found in 94% of U.S. drinking water?
Okay.
And for those who say.
100%.
I would have thought 100%.
I just assume I'm swimming in a sea of microplastics at this point.
And you are.
Yeah.
You are basically.
And even if you're a bottled water drinker, which, you know, people aren't because of the plastic, 80 to 93% of bottled water globally.
And, you know, I don't know if you're a meat eater, a seafood lover, or maybe you're a vegetarian and you have other protein sources, but 88% of our meat and.
Yeah.
Definitely not a vegetarian.
Definitely not a vegetarian.
So I'm getting lots of plastics.
Okay.
But here's the thing.
You are.
You're telling me that kimchi.
So, this is.
Okay, you have to.
I want the audience to fully appreciate this.
I am the chief of skeptics here.
I mean, Blake might be my chief of skeptics here.
Blake calls everything woo woo.
But then, like, but then you see Koreans, and all they do is eat kimchi.
And so, yeah.
And apparently, there's like kimchi.
They are very fit people.
They're very healthy people.
They all seem to live to be 100 years old.
Yeah, but kimchi, exactly.
Kimchi is actually this, like, crazy, like, superfood.
And I.
It is.
You guys had to prove this to me.
Uh,.
Kind of extensively because I didn't believe it, but okay, because I get probiotics through like yogurt, right?
Compare yogurt to a kimchi, just like this.
This was a like, there's some stats here that kind of blow your mind when you realize kimchi is legitimately this crazy probiotic food, yeah.
So, I mean, probiotics are great, you know, there's so many on the market, whether you're eating it through yogurt or what have you, but do we really know what's in it?
Okay, we don't, and so the reason why I'm sort of backtracking going through all these scary statistics is because.
You know, people like you and me kind of know these statistics, but a lot of people don't.
And I don't want to scare people, but I want to present the facts and then show how kimchi and all the studies to back it up.
Your viewers will leave this and say, Oh my God, like I need to get this now.
Okay.
I take the product.
We'll talk about what that product is.
But going back to your comment on the Korean staple diet, did you know that Koreans live six years longer because they are eating kimchi?
And we all know about glass skin, right?
And how beautiful they are.
And it's because of this fermented food.
So, you know, there are a lot of things that are going on inside our bodies right now because of these plastics.
So, early onset dementia, Alzheimer's disease, mental health issues.
Okay.
Nine out of 10 prostate cancer tissue samples have microplastics in it.
Okay.
They cause oxidative stress, they alter our DNA.
So, it increases our risk for developing cancer.
You know, people with microplastic plaque in their veins and arteries are 4.5 times more likely to die from a heart attack.
Okay.
So, it's thyroid, hormones, metabolism, obesity, energy levels, bone density, muscle mass.
This is what we're dealing with.
So, when I share with you what we're solving and how we solve it, you know how scary and how truthful this is, right?
So, there's just a rapid rise in plastic production and consumption.
It's a profit driven industry.
You can't avoid it.
Some people say, oh, I don't drink, you know, Output transcript Out of plastic bottles.
I don't use plastic containers.
I'm not really wearing polyester and blah, blah, blah.
But the truth is, they are everywhere and limiting the use of plastic is not enough.
It'll never be enough.
So we must take active steps, right, to remove these toxins, including pesticides, from the body before it does irreversible damage.
And so to get to your point, our first line of defense is your gut microbiome.
The gut microbiome is so important for your overall health, right?
It's having that balance of good and bad bacteria, and it actually determines the health of your entire body.
Noah on our team says, fun fact.
Consuming hot beverages from disposable paper cups results in the ingestion of thousands of microplastic particles and associated chemicals.
Starbucks paper hot cups, or any, it doesn't have to be Starbucks.
It could be any of the ones.
I mean, we've got them here at the office, these blank ones.
And plastic cold cups can leach thousands of microplastic particles and plasticizer chemicals into beverages.
Basically, the long story short is this is like a huge issue in modern living.
And that's why we want to call attention to it because.
Yeah, scientists found microplastics in nine out of 10 prostate cancer tissue samples.
Like, we know something is happening in our modern environment.
Blake thinks it's all woo woo science, a lot of it, but you know.
But microplastics, it's we know something's changing.
We know something's changing in our environment.
And whether it's war or it's factories in China or what we're doing here, how we're consuming our food.
I mean, they used to deliver milk to your front door in glass bottles and then they would pick them up.
We don't do that kind of stuff.
They come in plastic all the time.
So I think this is really key.
And, by the way, Ellie Hirsch, we're joined, senior health advisor from Brightcore.
There's this document that I have here, and I just want to wrap.
I know I don't want to do your job for you.
I'm sorry, but it's crazy.
It's like studies show that eating kimchi every day for 12 weeks can do far more than improve gut health.
It can train your immune system to fight smarter.
That's from nature.
Cancer preventive potential of kimchi lactic acid bacteria.
That's from the National Library of Science.
Bioactive chemicals in kimchi improve cognitive and memory function.
Kimchi linked to enhanced immune function, improved gut, like it's kimchi reduces body fat by 31.8% in preclinical study.
That's from Science and Tech Daily.
Anti aging effects of kimchi.
Like, so, so, I want to, so, I, what I've, I guess a natural question to ask is what can you get from what we're talking about here that you can't just get by going to the store and buy, or just going, going to H Mart down the street here in Phoenix and buying a case of kimchi, which probably does come in a class plastic container.
I'll be really honest.
So, after I talked with these guys, sorry.
You're going to your next day, I promise.
I tried kimchi and I can't eat it.
I do not like the taste of it.
What's wrong with you?
I cannot eat it.
It gives me the gag reflex.
Sorry.
A lot of people don't love it or like it because it's not a staple in the American diet, right?
But you can go into the supermarket and buy it.
You're going to get a lot of salt intake and you'd have to eat quite a bit to get out of it what you can really get out of it.
And you've talked about a bunch of studies.
And I think what's important to point out is that.
Kimchi can actually eliminate and extract microplastics from the body.
That's what I want people to get out of this.
Studies have proven it, researchers have proven it.
And, you know, there are certain strains that it has.
You know, we talked about it has 900 unique strains of bacteria.
Sourcroud only has, I think, what, 18 or something?
So it is huge, right?
And, you know, another strain, Bacillus pumilis, right?
It degrades BPA, which is the most toxic chemical.
In plastics, and the reason it's effective, you know, Andrew is because of the direct impact on the gut microbiome, it's antiviral, antifungal, antiparasitic, antibacterial, and that's why there are so many health benefits, and that's why we have created this amazing product.
Um, and we know it works.
Uh, kimchi one is a daily capsule that we've created, and whether you like the taste or not, you can't eat it every day, right?
But now you can.
It's, we use a cold process drying method.
It retains all the fiber, all the nutrition, low in sodium, like the store bought, 100% made in the US, all natural, non GMO.
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So that's why we created this.
Yeah.
And we'll flash the graphic in just a second.
Because so I just want to reiterate I am like the hardest seller on this stuff.
But I read this article, I think it was from The Atlantic.
My mom sent it to me.
A few years ago, and it came up in this whole conversation with Brightcore.
So, the premise was why your dad could eat a Big Mac in the 80s and not gain any weight, and why you now in 2020, when the article was written, can't.
And the whole point was your microbiome, like your gut health.
So, your dad had better gut health than you because of the quality of the food, like our food quality is deteriorated and all this stuff.
So, you just have a crappy gut.
And this is why a lot of people gain weight when they eat the same things your dad did back in or the food quality.
So, I was really fascinated by.
Buy this because I think, I think, and I have a doctor that's like really into gut health.
He thinks it's like the root of all health, basically, in your body.
It is.
So, if you got all these plastics, your food sucks, we can't, nobody can police it all the time because we have to, we're on the road, we have to eat what we eat.
And, you know, you can't, you know, it's just not as good for you as it was in the 80s and 70s or whatever.
We should address that as part of Maha is addressing the food quality and the plastics in our food and all this stuff.
But if you can't get to it, it's like you can't fix it all, then you need something to like, Supplement this and take care of it.
So I think it's phenomenal.
By the way, Kathleen, who's on our team, she was taking this and she was like, her body's reaction to this was immediate.
Like, you know how some supplements you take them and you.
As in the next day or like the next minute?
No, no, like the next day or two.
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But it was, but you know how like sometimes you're like, I think it's working.
This is not one of the best.
I'm not sure if it's working.
This works, Andrew.
I'm telling you, I take it myself.
And I have to be honest with you, I am turning 50 in two months and I truly believe.
The health on the inside is reflected on the outside.
And it's things like Kimchi One and other things that, you know, collagen supplements that they offer at Brightcore.
It's just unbelievable.
And they work, the proof is in the pudding.
All right.
So let's throw this up, Ellie.
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So that's awesome.
But you know what?
I'm actually like legitimately a believer in this stuff.
Okay.
What was that?
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Ellie Hirsch, Senior Health Advisor.
It's great stuff.
Legitimately, I think it's really important stuff, actually.
So that's why we wanted to do this.
Thank you for making the time.
We appreciate it so much.
Sure.
Thanks for having me.
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Selena Zita, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's so good to have you.
You have a new piece in the Washington Examiner talking about this surge of faith among Gen Z.
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And I thought, with all this heavy news from this Daily Mail headline about, you know, with Charlie's story, The other part of Charlie's story that we cannot lose touch with, we can't lose sight of, is that it birthed this revival that we've seen with young people.
And I think the question a lot of us had was, did it stop?
And your reporting is basically, no, it hasn't.
It's continuing to go.
Please tell us about it.
No, it hasn't.
It hasn't at all.
And I've written about this several times.
This isn't the first time I've written about it.
I began with it, I noticed it.
First of all, my own parish, I'm Catholic.
The week after, the Sunday after Charlie was killed, my church was jam-packed.
And that hasn't stopped.
Now, at that point, you could still get a pew seat.
Well, not anymore.
You have to, I'm always notoriously just running into Mass when the bells are ringing.
And I'm almost always standing.
But it's also happening among evangelical Christians, as much as Catholics.
Uh I.
The day after no, the day Charlie was shot um, these young people gathered at this, at this um church in the city of Pittsburgh and kind of a dodgy neighborhood, and they came by the busload of public transportation.
They walked from colleges all around Pittsburgh there's eight.
There's eight colleges in Pittsburgh and they needed to feel something right.
They needed to be part of something bigger than self, that some, he is someone, that who motivate them, motivated them.
I talked to a lot of these young people in the lead up to the 2020 And they talked about how Charlie brought them to understanding why that election was so important and why their voice was so important and their belief in God was so important.
And so that happened the first day after Charlie was killed.
Happened again the following Sunday.
Continued to happen so much that the football team at the University of Pittsburgh, led by the captain of the football team, Who bought Jake Overton, who by the way is going to be in the draft in Pittsburgh in a couple of weeks.
And he led this thing called Pitt Purpose.
And they showed up at the Cathedral of Learning at the University of Pittsburgh, if anyone's familiar with it.
It's a beautiful structure.
And there were about 600 kids there, and there were about 100 baptisms.
And the movement continued to grow.
And it led to what happened last Thursday.
I think it was Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday, I can't remember.
There were 5,000 kids that filled the Peterson Event Center.
And it wasn't just kids.
It was families.
There were people of all ages, but it was.
you know, predominantly youth driven, college students, but also young families, right, with young kids.
And there were over, I forget how many hundreds of baptisms done in pickup trucks, which was my favorite part.
But it was just, it's not something that's going away.
And it's really interesting to me to watch my profession not understand how to cover it, right?
They don't understand how to grasp this growth and this movement.
But it's not just in Protestant evangelical churches.
It's in the Catholic Church.
My diocese alone, there will be 200 people baptized this week during Holy Week.
And that is significant.
Well, so I want everybody to just grasp what you said the contrast.
So the week Charlie's killed, you had 500, 600 people, about 100 baptisms.
Just last Wednesday or Thursday, this event center had 5,000, 6,000 young people.
And hundreds of baptisms, getting baptized in pickup trucks.
And I just hope people are grasping this.
And I've said this to so many people that it felt bad for me with some of the conspiracy stuff or whatever we're going through, just losing Charlie, which, yeah, I get it and it's awful.
But what I always say to them is what God has unleashed, man cannot stop.
And if God's ultimate purpose here is to unleash a tidal wave of young people coming into faith in Jesus Christ, Then so be it.
I will suffer every single day.
Charlie suffered greater than any of us.
I will walk through this day in and day out, taking the punches as they come.
The Daily Mail was just the latest because what God is doing, He is doing a work in this country and He's doing it in Gen Z. He's doing it with young families and it's so awesome.
And I like when I saw this story, you know, you can attest as soon as you said this to me, I was like, you need to come on today and like, we need to talk about this.
Yeah, we see a lot of young families too, not just Gen Z.
We see You know, I see a lot of millennials there with multiple children, three, four, five kids in the pew.
And the priest every Sunday, it never fails.
We have a younger priest in my parish, Soul Country Church, but he always says, don't anybody be offended by the sound of the noise of children because there goes our future.
This is our future.
We need to welcome these children and these families.
And we need to welcome them into our hearts and show patience.
And that's a beautiful thing because a lot of parents, when their kids are young, I remember it's not fun to always go to mass every Sunday because you don't know what the two year old's going to do, right?
But it's across denominations.
And I think that's really, really important.
Well, and you included this in your piece, Selena.
You said Ryan Berg, the research director at My Faith Counts, a nonprofit, non denominational organization.
Noted that new data showed that the share of Americans who are non religious has dropped for the third straight year in a row, with atheists and agnostics down to 5% each.
So, I mean, this is an amazing trend that started, frankly, when Charlie was still with us.
And I think his assassination lit that spark and poured fuel on the fire.
And I was just so encouraged because I think it is the answer to the question a lot of us have is it still going?
Is it still building?
And this is such an important data set that you've presented, and anecdotes and stories of how this movement of God is still growing in the country.
Blake, you're Catholic, so I.
I want to make sure I make some good comments.
Well, it's, I mean, it's, you know, the New York Times, they call 12 dioceses.
All of them have more catechumens than they had the year before.
I know I heard about this from my parents.
I think there were 50 people in the RCIA class in Sioux Falls.
That's not a huge city.
And you see all these anecdotes.
And I know there's some pushback.
I think even Burge has pushed back on that, where he says, if you look at big surveys, they don't show a big surge.
If anything, they do show either flatline or the decline is still ongoing.
And so I'd actually like to touch into that.
What could be going on where maybe we are seeing a general.
Like, we might be seeing the kernel of a big revival where people who are really on the ball, people who have high agency, they're embracing faith.
And what we're seeing is something that will really explode in the months, in the years, in the decades to come.
Interesting.
And I think that'd be an interesting thing to talk about.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
You know, a lot of here's the thing about data and people responding to it, they don't always respond to it truthfully.
or they always look at data sometimes with skepticism.
We've seen that in polling with politics.
I don't think religion is much different, right?
And so what you see is the contrast what Ryan is talking about, where it seems as though there's a decline.
But then you see 200 baptisms in a Western Pennsylvania, not even in Pittsburgh, it's outside of Pittsburgh, it's in the rural country part.
Right.
And you see that growth and it tells you they might not tell a statistician about their faith.
Sometimes people think faith is something very private.
But they're still getting there.
They're coming.
They're getting baptized.
You know, I saw it at the Peterson Event Center.
Pastor Howard is amazing.
I saw it.
I see it in my own parish every week.
We didn't have these kinds of numbers last year at this time.
You could sit anywhere you wanted in a pew.
Now, you squeeze into the choir loft or you stand on the sides.
But there is anecdotal evidence, a lot of it.
I do think it's showing up in some data as well.
Let's go ahead and play Kaylee McEnany.
She's touching on this in February, SOT 16.
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Okay, we got to get to this Jaden Ivy story because it's all over social media.
So Jaden Ivy is a.
Jaden.
Okay, we got a letter, Ms. Transposed here.
So, Jaden Ivey was a player with the Chicago Bulls.
He has been waived, meaning released from the team, because of his Christian faith and his stance, specifically criticizing the LGBTQ Pride Month that the NBA celebrates.
So, let's get him in his own words and talk about it.
Sot 7.
All I'm preaching is about Jesus Christ, and they wave me.
They say, I'm crazy, right?
I'm psycho.
That don't That don't add up, man.
That's not adding up, right?
God let these happen.
God let these things happen for a reason.
May his will be done.
May his will be done.
Not my will.
My will is done.
When I came into the league, all I wanted to do was win championships and get millions of bucks until the Lord showed me.
What good is it to gain the world?
You're a forfeiture soul.
What good is it to not follow the Lord?
To not obey his commandments?
Pretty strong stuff.
So, Selena, obviously, this is the big news story today.
It seems, though, in the NBA, you could do just about every other terrible thing imaginable gun charges, murder charges, drug charges, and you get left back on the team.
But criticizing the LGBTQ IA, whatever Pride Month is against the rules.
Your take.
Oh, you know, this is part of the problem that people have with our cultural curators, right?
People in corporations, institutions. and national sports organizations is that there's two different rules.
One is you can abstain from standing for the national anthem, right?
But you can't, and that's okay, right?
And you can have some pretty strong, nasty things to say about people that are conservative or have faith.
But if you profess something about your faith and you are a Christian, you're suspended, you are a non, you're not wanted, you're not allowed to be part of this, we can't see this.
Because these institutions do not know how to process faith, they don't understand people that have faith, and therefore they need to shun them as opposed to being welcoming.
I think one of the things that's really important about diversity, right, cultural curators always talk about diversity, but they don't really talk about cultural diversity.
Right?
They don't really talk about people of faith.
They're people that sit in a pew every Sunday, people that say a rosary, right?
They aren't allowed to be part of their institution.
Well, and they're calling him crazy.
That's the thing.
I mean, he's definitely radical about his faith.
Yeah, but yeah, I find this.
I mean, maybe he is.
I don't know if he's got a screw.
I don't see that.
I think he's, from what I can tell from the video, he's preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ unashamed.
Blake?
Yeah.
I mean, so it looks to me, and it's like.
I just think of all the players they have in the NBA, and if you followed it even mildly, I'm not known for being a big basketball fan, but there's NBA players getting in trouble for actually objectively bad stuff.
Oh, yeah.
So Littrell Spruill, I believe, strangled his coach.
He got suspended, but came back.
Ron Artes, assaulted a fan in the stands, got suspended, but came back, had a long career.
Jason Kidd, domestic violence, I believe, pleaded guilty to, had a DUI.
He's been an NBA legend.
He's been around forever.
And I'm not even saying like Jason Kidd needs to be banished from the league.
But if you're going to banish a guy for making an Instagram where he doesn't like Pride Month, I think it would make sense to have standards on those sorts of things.
Right.
You know, and it's really. an odd line for them to draw because we see so much with our athletes that an expression of faith in this country.
I don't know if you guys saw this last year, no, the end of the beginning of the year when the Pittsburgh Steelers were in the playoffs and they have a priest that comes and blesses the field every week, right?
And it's a very Catholic organization.
The new coach today said about faith.
I got to read this quote to you because it's awesome.
Mike McCarthy said, I am aware of, he said, this is a Catholic operation.
You say three Hail Marys and everybody has a clean slate and let's go to work.
Right.
So there's a lot of organizations that embrace faith.
So I'm not quite sure what's going on with the NBA.
I'm not an NBA fan.
I haven't watched them since Michael Jordan.
So, you know, I don't know what's going on there.
No, I mean, it's very welcoming.
It's wild.
Our team comprised a list of all the different substance abuses, gun charges, drug related felonies, domestic abuse, domestic violence, assault cases.
I think it's really wild.
And we shouldn't forget this is the league that has most prostrated itself before China, for example, where they've just overtly fired people because they've said things critical of the Chinese government.
A foreign authoritarian regime in rivalry with the United States.
I think the NBA.
Leaned hardest into 2020, into woke stuff.
I think, I just think it's the most aggravating league.
It's the most off putting one.
It's the one most hostile to Americans, which is why people shouldn't watch pro basketball.
That's my pitch to everyone.
I'm not a big basketball fan.
Yeah.
And I guess there's clips have surfaced amid this controversy of this LGBTQ stuff with Ivy.
Some people have clipped it and shared them, these clips, as though he was admitting to being an abuser, some sort of.
Thing and the context from the clip he frames it as emotional verbal patterns tied to his own trauma and anger in his heart, not as repeated physical beatings or something like that.
No criminal record for domestic violence appears in any reporting.
He has a wife and kids and speaks positively about her.
It's so clearly mild, it's a guy doing faith testimony, and so you know it's almost certainly like vastly more mild than all this criminal stuff that passes.
Raised his voice to her, yeah.
And by the way, he's also said, like, the old Jaden Ivy is gone.
I'm a new creation in Christ.
You know, he's like very proud about the fact that.
He has been transformed.
And I just say to the NBA if there is a team out there willing to bring this guy on, just enjoy and reap the benefits of all the jersey sales.
I'm told the Bulls have already sold out his jersey like something crazy 20,000 jersey sales overnight.
I kind of, it's frustrating because they're getting rewarded for the jersey sales, but like take a chance on this guy and bring him in because I just have a feeling like you'll probably be blessed.
Selena Zito, God bless you.
Thank you for this story of the.
Faith revival that is continuing to grow and spread behind the headlines.
Thank you for making a Headline about it.
It's great to see you.
Nice to see you guys.
Have a great day.
You too.
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