Charlie Kirk champions Jeremy Carl’s nomination for Assistant Secretary of State, defending his pro-Israel stance and integrity amid Democratic hyperbole, including unfounded attacks tied to Western civilization critiques. Carl, a Shultz protégé with UN ambassador endorsements, dismisses skepticism while Democrats push extreme policies like Virginia’s ICE ban and voter expansions despite public moderation claims. The DOJ’s Epstein-linked Transparency Act release names 1,700+ emails/calls between Epstein and figures like Reed Hoffman ($100M Democrat donor), but omits alleged CIA/Mossad ties or Saudi connections, leaving blackmail and money laundering speculations unresolved. Kirk’s push for Carl reflects a broader battle over policy legacy and transparency in U.S. foreign affairs. [Automatically generated summary]
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So excited to have Jeremy Carl back on the show.
Welcome to the show, Jeremy Carl.
You have been nominated for Assistant Secretary of State for international organizations.
I got it.
It's a bit of a mouthful of a title, but what an honor to be nominated.
Welcome back to the show.
It's so good to see you.
How are you doing?
I'm doing great.
I had a fun time in D.C. last week, despite all the fireworks.
I truly did.
And, you know, I've just was, as I said, as you said, it was an honor to be nominated and looking forward to hopefully being able to join.
Yeah, well, so, and Blake, I mean, feel free to chime in here, but you had one of the more eventful nomination hearings that we've seen in recent memory.
And boy, did they come after you with just, I mean, it was like hyperbole.
Which you knew was going to happen.
I talked to you before that hearing and you said, like, I'm going to have to sit there and just get, you know, raked over it for a couple hours.
And that's exactly what they did.
They called you very nasty.
Every name in the book.
I mean, this, this was just, it felt like, you know what?
It felt like a throwback to like 2020 or like 2019 or something like that, 2021.
And I just was like, have, like, are we really still, like, are you still going with these paddles?
Are we going to, yeah, are we going to let them do this sort of bad faith framing of everything?
And also, as we talked about last week, that bit where they just pretend to not know what people are talking about.
So they went after you, of course, for your book, which is a great book and people should read it.
And the unprotected class, they're going to rake you over the coal because you say America has anti-white discrimination in it.
Well, it does.
They brag about it and demand more of it all the time.
But yeah, you know, what do you have to say, Jeremy, about do you still, do you still stand by this idea, Jeremy?
Yeah, thanks.
And that was actually the most, the part I was most proud of about the hearing is there's, you know, it's a high-pressure environment when you go in there.
And even if you're somebody like me who's certainly spoken in public fora on many occasions, when you have a bunch of very hostile senators controlling the microphone and saying, you know, have you no decency?
You know, how dare you have that view?
It's very easy to kind of recant or go back.
And I didn't do that at all.
I stood by my beliefs, which I certainly do believe very strongly.
And so, you know, I kept my integrity.
That was really the most important thing to me going into the hearing.
And just the sort of avalanche of positive correspondence and comments that I got afterward really convinced me that obviously, not just morally, but practically, that was the right thing to do.
All right.
Well, we definitely wanted to have you on because Charlie fought for your nomination.
He was one of the people.
You were one of the people he really wanted to get into the government.
He was very excited about it, really fought for you.
But you're facing, obviously, a ton of opposition from Democrats.
But what's been frustrating to us to hear is there's been some skepticism from one of the Republicans on the committee, Senator Curtis from Utah.
And his expressed reason was very odd to us.
He believes you were not supportive enough of America's policy towards Israel.
And he basically said you would be bad for that role because you're going to the United Nations.
Now, that's shocking to us because we know Charlie was a huge supporter of Israel and us, you know, protecting them in the Middle East.
So the floor is yours to respond to Senator Curtis's concerns.
Yeah, and I want to be first sympathetic to Senator Curtis.
I mean, I think if you were primarily viewing this from the media oppo dumps that were happening in the weeks up to the hearing and then certainly the comments the Democrats were making, you know, maybe you would be skeptical.
But I certainly would point, as you note, to Charlie's support of me.
And Charlie was really, of course, a great supporter of the U.S.-Israel relationship.
And I also, of course, worked as the right-hand man for a decade for the late Secretary of State, George Schultz, who was Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State and was also sort of second to none as a champion of the U.S.-Israel relationship.
So I'd certainly point to things like that and the fact that those two gentlemen chose to be in my corner over a number of years, Secretary Schultz and Charlie, of course, both sadly no longer with us.
But that sort of speaks to my views.
And then obviously, just personally within the UN system itself, I mean, there's no question it's a hotbed of anti-Semitism.
The focus on Israel they have there is absolutely absurd and ridiculous.
It wastes time from actual productive things that could be accomplished.
And there's no question that we are their biggest ally in that system where they often don't have other allies.
And we, just like any other close ally we have, we have to be very supportive of them in that context.
And I would certainly just say that not just because of Senator Curtis, but I would have said it if I could have gotten more than two words edgewise in the hearing itself.
Well, by the way, I mean, much has been made.
You grew up Jewish, apparently, but it's also, it doesn't mean that you don't have critiques of the status quo relationship or the way that money flows or any of that stuff.
All of that stuff is on the table, but to say, you know, you are broadly supportive of that ally and of that relationship, their right to exist, their right to defend themselves.
So I don't know what the, even what the to-do was about, to be perfectly honest.
It's like, yeah, you can have critiques without basically saying, hey, we need to blow up this whole relationship or something.
No, that's right.
And I mean, there's, I mean, I had a huge amount of support very publicly on the eve of the hearing and afterwards from prominent members of the pro-Israel community.
All of our UN ambassadors were supportive.
The global envoy we have for addressing anti-Semitism issues was supportive.
So that's there.
I have at times said some things that were critical of some sub-aspect of it, but none of that really impinges on what we're doing in the UN.
There's no question that for the actual job that I would be put in, if I'm confirmed by the Senate, that I would be forswear for every element of the U.S.-Israel alliance.
This is not a tough question.
It's not a close call.
It's really obvious that, frankly, the behavior toward Israel in the UN system is egregious, and we should be fully supportive of them in that context.
It's been so galling to me to see this happen because we have to have all these Democrats on stage posturing about this when they're the party that's allied with Mamdani.
They're the party that has people routinely demanding boycotts who are routinely saying like their own there's one big villain in the Middle East.
Genocide Word of course.
And they're endlessly using this as part of their wider front, as you're well aware, that they attack Israel basically because they see it as Western, because they see it as European, because they see it as they code it as white, as we say.
And as we see, this administration is standing up for those things.
That's why Secretary of State Marco Rubio, we were just touting his speech in Munich where he says, we are going to confidently stand for Western civilization.
And we have to be doing that at the UN.
And you're one of Charlie and President Trump's picked men to do that at the UN.
Yeah.
And so, Jeremy, your view on it right now is you have a sympathetic view towards Senator Curtis.
We got 30 seconds in this last segment.
Are we hopeful?
Are you meeting with him?
Is there any news there?
I'm hopeful.
I mean, obviously, the hearing just happened.
I've got, I don't want to sort of name names because the process is going on, but I've got some senators who are very strongly in my corner and who I think would love to make a meeting happen so that I could sort of clarify a bit more of my background and interests and in these sorts of issues to Senator Curtis.
I really do feel like if he gives me a little bit of time to speak with him, I think he'd be very reassured in this area.
So I hope to get the chance to do just that.
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So Jeremy Carl is with us.
He obviously was a version of the Salem witch trials at the Senate for Democrat counterparts there.
So you didn't get to talk about the substance of the actual job and what makes you competent, which is, I think, the whole point.
Defending American Sovereignty00:06:52
They wanted to distract from the fact that you are one of the most articulate, competent, I would say, defenders of American values, of President Trump's platform, his foreign policy.
They didn't want you to talk about any of that.
So, you know, the floor is now yours, Jeremy.
Why do you want this job and what do you hope to accomplish?
Yeah, thanks so much.
And I was actually at the beginning of this process, which was further back than any of you would probably believe, even if I told you, I was given a choice of a few different portfolios that I might have had and really, after thinking about it a little bit, chose this one as a place where I could really make an impact.
Because look, the United Nations and certainly many other international organizations have been a longtime source of frustration to those of us who are America first, to those of us who believe in American sovereignty.
I mean, there's no question that as President Trump has said, they have great potential, but they have not lived up to that potential.
But I think there's a lot of things that we could be doing, need to be doing in these bodies.
There's sort of a horseshoe effect, I think, a little bit here, where the people who are sort of most opposed to the UN and the United States and the people who are actually inside the UN kind of want the same thing, which is to have a bunch of shop talk and not really a lot of useful concrete action on the things that the UN should be doing, which really primarily should focus around keeping the peace and certainly not being a global government.
What I want to do is have the UN do a limited set of things and actually do them effectively and advance U.S. interests in them.
So that means we want to be countering China and Chinese influence everywhere we can.
We want to be in the standards bodies and making sure we elect Americans in those standards bodies.
There's 56 different, I believe, standards bodies within the UN system, ranging from the International Atomic Energy Agency to the International Telecommunications Union.
People don't necessarily think about them in the U.S. that much, but they actually end up often having enormous influence on what we do.
So you start with things like that.
You start with the U.S.-Israel relationship, which I talked about there, and we need to be very good protectors of Israel and other allies.
And there's really just, you know, it's a huge organization.
There's so many different moving parts.
But I think aggressively moving on issues of U.S. sovereignty, trying to stop the migration abuse that we've seen that has led to open borders throughout the world, which is often enabled by the UN system.
Those would be kind of the priorities that I have if I'm confirmed for the job, which of course I didn't get to talk about during the hearing.
You know, there was that powerful moment in Secretary Rubio's speech where he says the UN has the ability to do a lot of good.
It could be a tool for good.
And then he goes through the list of instances where it actually was useless, but it took American might.
It took B-2 bombers in Iran.
It took special forces in Venezuela.
You know, it took those European partners coming together along with the U.S. to even get peace negotiations, a discussion to even begin between Ukraine and Russia.
What did you make of Secretary Rubio's speech?
And what are you pulling out?
What are the through lines that you're pulling out from that moment?
Yeah.
I mean, well, first of all, I'm glad you mentioned it was an absolutely terrific speech.
I'm not just saying that because he may be my boss at some point in the near future, but I thought it was outstanding.
I thought it did a great job of having a really hopeful vision and also really stressing the importance of American sovereignty and American power at the same time.
I thought the critique of the UN was right on, and it really gets to what I was just saying earlier, which is, well, okay, is the UN going to just sit there and be a place that talks shop and doesn't actually get anything done?
If I were in the UN, that wouldn't really strike me as something that would be enhancing my power and credibility.
And so what I want to do is to have, hopefully be able to effectuate under U.S. leadership some internal reforms so that we can act in places like Venezuela and we're not just sort of hamstrung by these infinitely kind of back and forth processes that are all just about virtue signaling.
Yeah, it's really great to emphasize this because it's already bad enough.
People might be asking, why are we having this hearing about you?
It's because you were nominated way back last spring and then the Senate's taken a while on a lot of nominees and thankfully they resubmitted you again.
The White House has really stood by you and that's one reason it's so important to get you in.
Admirably stood by their people, even where they faced some bad faith opposition.
And I want to make sure we get to this.
So, especially if you are in Utah, we want you to call Senator Curtis's offices.
Respectfully.
Respectfully, be Jeremy didn't know we were doing this.
Don't flip out.
Don't badmouth him.
Don't say anything nasty.
Just say, especially, call him regardless, but especially if you're in Utah, give him a call.
His DC office is 202-224-5251.
Let's repeat that for the podcast people: 202-224-5251.
Say you're calling your Utah voter if you're from there, and you say, I'm calling about Jeremy Carl's nomination to be Assistant Secretary of State for international organizations.
Mention that he was one of Charlie's favorites.
He really wanted him in that post, and you want the senator to honor Charlie.
I want to underscore, be respectful, respectful.
And I also want to underscore that Jeremy didn't know we were doing this.
So I just plan this.
I've got this.
Please know this could backfire, Jeremy, if handled poorly.
So just be very respectful to the senator.
And, you know, I'm still hopeful because, Jeremy, I know you're a man of great charm and whimsy.
And I know that.
But I'm hoping I can.
And, you know, I'm glad also you mentioned the degree to which the White House has stood by me, which I really appreciate.
I mean, all of this stuff that did come out came out since my initial nomination.
And some of it was kind of known, or at least it was out there.
So it wasn't a surprise.
Others of it, you know, sort of surfaced for the first time.
And the White House took all of that into account and just said, you know, hey, this is still our guy.
It doesn't change our view of him.
We know that he's a really strong guy and will be good in this.
And I'm just, you know, incredibly appreciative of the support of President Trump and Secretary Rubio to really stand strong at a time when a lot of others would have folded.
Yeah, well, and listen, the viewpoints that the Democrats were hitting you with, you know, whether that interchange you had with Corey Booker was hilarious to me.
He's like, really?
You believed that, you know, you held your ground?
But it was just amazing to me that this was like shocking to them.
Supporting Legacy Figures00:02:56
These are down the middle, completely mainstream conservative beliefs that you hold.
And the more that they're going to try and gaslight the public in thinking that mainstream conservative beliefs, by the way, proven, we've got a billion clips that prove all of these positions, you know, whatever.
The fact that they're still trying to act surprised about them at this point, Jeremy, is really, that's why I said I felt like I was in 2021, 2019, something like that, 2014 even.
What's your final message?
Well, my final message, I think, is that I would love to have the opportunity to serve the president and the country in this role.
I really appreciate the support of you guys.
I mean, Charlie was such a huge, huge loss just personally, professionally.
But I love the fact that you guys are carrying on his legacy and really appreciative of your support now and over the years.
Absolutely.
Jeremy Carl, we have your back.
We expect to see you at the State Department soon.
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Sean Davis, co-founder, CEO of the Federalists, good man, joins us now.
Sean, welcome back, my friend.
Good to see you.
Good to be back.
Thanks for having me.
So we have to start here.
We just found out that Robert Duvall died, who is an iconic American actor, kind of old Hollywood, and just, I think he was a winger.
Yeah, he was.
Yeah.
He was supporting McCain back in 2008.
But with him, okay.
Is it a sliding scale?
Well, I mean, he got old.
I think he was probably just less prominent because he was.
Well, he died at 95.
I mean, he lived a good long life.
And some of the most iconic clips, you have one pulled up, right?
Yes, yes.
We have that ready to go.
Let's make sure we have that number.
All right.
I say you have a clip ready.
Well, yeah, so let's do 298.
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Sean, I don't know if you saw the news, but if you have any thoughts on Robert Duvall, feel free.
Yeah, so my favorite role of his, it wasn't on the big screen, it was in the TV mini-series of Lonesome Dove, which I think is the greatest American novel ever written.
And he played Gus McRae.
I think it's one of the greatest roles he ever played.
It's one of the greatest characters ever written, and he was just spectacular.
He's a great role in my personal favorite film.
At least I used to always say this.
I'd have to rewatch it.
It's been a while, but Thank You for Smoking.
Oh, yeah.
The movie about the tobacco lobbyist.
He's the tobacco baron.
Oh, interesting.
He tells you how to make a perfect mint and julep, taught to him by Fidel Castro.
All the obviously the Godfather series, Open Range, little appreciated movie of his, Days of Thunder, which is where Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman met and ended up getting married.
But Rubin's racing, son, because Tom Cruise is complaining that they keep bumping his car.
And he's like, it's not bumping.
They didn't hit you.
They're rubbing you.
Rubbin's racing.
Anyways, so many good movies.
John Q, The Great Santini, Jack Reacher, The Apostle.
This guy is legitimately one of just the most, I mean, he's got movies in the 70s with Clinton Eastwood, The Network.
I mean, he played Bobby Lee and Gods and Generals.
Yeah, okay.
I didn't see that.
Secondhand.
I forgot about Days of Thunder, which is the second greatest racing movie ever made after Talladega Knights ballot Ricky Bobby.
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Yeah, well, of course.
Everybody knows this.
And you're a southern gentleman at this point, Sean, so you can appreciate it.
I'm actually supposed to go to my first NASCAR race in March, I think.
Maybe I've got that mistaken.
Anyway, I've never been, but a lot of people love it.
A lot of people are saying.
All right, that's not why we had you on, but the news just broke.
And, you know, I love lifting up actually a talented actor that didn't disgrace himself, that died of natural causes.
There wasn't some crazy story involved.
So, you know, God bless him.
God bless you.
He loved this country.
He did.
He's a real American.
What I wanted to bring in.
Sorry, I'm still getting over something.
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So what I wanted to get in here, Sean, is there was a couple of clips that I couldn't help noticing and drawing a pattern.
First one up, let's just start with Obama because he went on this podcast, made a little bit of news.
242.
The same would be true, let's say, here in Los Angeles around the homeless issue.
The average person doesn't want to have to navigate around a tent city in the middle of downtown.
And that we're not going to be able to build a working majority and support for the resources that we need to help folks like that.
We're not going to be able to generate support for it if we simply say, you know what, it's not their fault.
And so they should be able to do whatever they want.
Because that's a losing political strategy.
Okay, so my ears perked up when I heard that.
But then I heard another clip, Sean, from Hildebeast, 241.
I think we need to call it for what it is.
There is a legitimate reason to have a debate about things like migration.
It went too far.
It's been disruptive and destabilizing.
And it needs to be fixed in a humane way with secure borders that don't torture and kill people.
And she even, Sean, you noticed she was doing the thumb thing, the Clinton thumb point.
So I really, yeah, my ears perked up.
And then it all came together.
It all crystallized with Andy Bashir, the touted, renowned moderate from Kentucky.
PlayCut 240.
How do you respond to a Democratic voter who might say, I like you.
I like your track record in a red state or red commonwealth, but you're too soft-spoken.
Yes, that message is working.
Look at Abigail Spanberger and Mikey Sherrill, who ran great campaigns in races that should have been structurally difficult.
And they both won by double digits.
The DGA and our candidates are winning everywhere.
Many Americans feel like the pendulum swung too far during the Biden administration, and it swung way too far during the Trump administration.
And what they want is an America where they can wake up every morning and not be worried about its future.
Ah, so, okay.
So Virginia is the model.
Sean, you know all about Virginia and you know all about Spamberger.
What are you gleaning from that series of clips we just played?
Yeah, it's fascinating to watch, especially all of them together.
To me, it's obvious what they're doing.
And they understand these Democrats.
They understand they cannot get elected saying the things that they believe.
So now there's a long campaign to get them to say things that they don't believe but that sound good in the hopes that they can get elected and then not do any of those things.
So you have Obama talking about dealing with the homeless problem.
Democrats don't care about dealing with the homeless problem.
But you have to say that because people are sick of it.
They don't like being accosted by crazy drug addicts on the street.
So yeah, we'll pretend to care about that.
With Hillary, you have to pretend to care about the borders because that sounds sane.
No, they don't care about the borders at all.
And then you had Bashir, who's really, I don't even want to say he's a left-wing nut job.
He's kind of a nothing.
He's the son of a popular former Kentucky politician, and that's the only reason he's in office.
But he let the mask slip there, especially with Spanberger, who's a total left-wing nut job, saying, look, we just have to pretend to believe these things and say things that sound nice.
And then when we get in office, we don't have to do any of it.
It's a total con job.
Yeah, well, and remind folks about Virginia.
I mean, Virginia, like when I say you're going full Virginia in 28, like that's full, basically radical leftist communist DSA, certainly.
I mean, they are taking Virginia a D6 state.
I mean, Kamala held it by six points.
They are taking it into a direction like it's a D40 state.
This is absolutely radical stuff, and this is the playbook.
Go.
So, what are they doing in Virginia?
Yeah, so I mean, they're all but banning ICE.
They're undoing everything Youngkin did to reform schools and on the trans issue.
But I will have to say, in a certain real politics sense, I admire the Democrats for what they're doing because they don't get stuck in this trap that Republicans get in.
When they get in office, if they only win by a single vote, they do 100% of their agenda.
And it's why they're able to make such massive sweeping cultural and political gains in the country.
You look at Obamacare, that thing was a political disaster.
They didn't care.
They wanted to remake the country and they had to do it by remaking health care.
And so I think Republicans actually can learn a little something from this: if you get in and you use power for your ends to reward your friends and constituency, you will be rewarded long term.
And so Democrats lie and they cheat and they steal, but it works for them.
Yeah, I mean, this was just a few days after getting sworn in.
New 4.3% sales tax on Uber Eats, Amazon, et cetera.
New sales tax on admissions to a wide variety of businesses.
Create two new higher tax brackets of 8% and 10% on people making over $600,000.
A new 10% bracket for anyone making over a million, 3.8% investment tax on top of state income taxes.
Raise the hotel tax, new personal property tax on landscaping equipment, ban gas-powered leaf blowers.
Of course, because California has just paved the way on so much of this.
Guarantee illegal aliens free education.
Make it illegal to approach somebody at an abortion clinic.
Extend the time absentee ballots can be received after election day to three days.
Allow people to cast their votes electronically through the internet.
I mean, on and on and on it goes, not to mention their redistricting fight where they're going to have a single Republican district.
Now, it looks like that one has at least been stayed for a little while.
They'll probably get it, what, in 2028, but it's not going to make it in time for the midterms.
I mean, they just went full radical to your point.
But here's what's crazy: now you see the leaders of the party signaling to the base saying, hey, go a little bit lighter, a little lighter touch, fly under the radar, don't be so radical.
And guess what?
If you do that, you get to go full Virginia in 26 and 28.
I mean, it just to me, it seems about the most clear thing I've seen in a long time.
And to see, you know, Obama and Hillary still out front leading the charge.
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The Justice Department has just released a number of names.
So over the weekend, it was a six-page letter from the DOJ signed by Pam Bonnie and Todd Blanche.
And it released a series of names.
And this is apparently all keeping with this Transparency Act.
And it gave them a 30-day statutory guideline to get this stuff out.
And they have, and it feels like all hell's breaking loose.
If you just look on X, it's like allegations are flying everywhere.
People like Janice Joplin's in there, Elvis.
Like, if you've been mentioned at all in a link of an article, in an email from Jeffrey Epstein or somebody else, you are mentioned in this.
What do we make of this?
And like, how should we think about it?
Yeah, it's been really interesting looking at all the stuff that's coming out.
And yeah, there's a bazillion names in there, but there are some very key trends that we see.
The main one is that through kind of his entire career of all this influence stuff, Jeffrey Epstein was a tried and true Democrat.
The people who were talking to him the most often and going to his island were Democrats.
You had people like Reed Hoffman.
This is a guy who's been funding hoax after hoax on behalf of the Democrats.
You had Reid Hoffman, who is BFF with Jeffrey Epstein.
You had Kathy Rummler, who is Obama's ethics czar and his White House counsel, who is Epstein's fixer, who is involved in working with him to help mitigate scandals facing the Obama administration, even a secret service scandal.
And you look at all this and you're like, man, this is a pretty common theme here.
Like, Democrats were completely in bed with this guy.
And it's been really interesting to watch the media cover this and do everything they can to not mention Reed Hoffman, who is in up to his neck in Epstein nonsense and now wants to pretend, oh, he was just a casual pen pal with the guy.
Yeah, so this is from Kanakoa the Great.
He said, Reed Hoffman stayed at Jeffrey Epstein's ranch, private island, in Manhattan apartment.
He bought ice cream for the girls.
That one's real fun.
A metal sculpture for the island.
Hoffman donated over $100 million to Democrat causes.
He funded the fake Russian bots on Twitter and financed the Egyptian Carroll lawsuit.
People forget that one.
He funded Clear Choice PAC, which used Lawfare to remove Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornell West from the ballot in Battleground States.
So he's literally used his, so they emailed each other over 1,700 times.
I don't think I've emailed anybody 1,700 times.
Like legitimately.
They emailed each other 1,700.
They called each other very close friends, discussed the visits to Epstein's properties, private jet shopping, gift exchanges, and talked about how much they missed each other.
That is five years of emails if they emailed once every day.
Wow.
I mean, so this is apparently the craziest email.
Again, shout out to Kanakoa the Great on X. In January 2015, as allegations that Epstein trafficked Virginia Roberts to Prince Andrew went global, Hoffman offered to help Epstein with his negative press coverage.
Hmm, very, very fascinating.
This is from CNN here.
It says this new DOJ document.
It also mentioned prominent individuals who had previously been linked to Epstein, including President Donald Trump, former President Bill Clinton, former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, former White House counsel Kathy Rumler, and billionaire business magnate Les Wexner.
There's 3.5 million documents.
People are still pouring through them, Sean.
So we're still getting new details.
People keep coming up with new kernels and new allegations.
And it just seems like it's a freaking mess out there.
And it feels like everything that our friend Mike Davis warned about earlier in the year, last year, has basically become true.
That there is so much lack of context.
There's so much, there's a lot of stuff.
There's a lot of information.
And there's not a whole lot of guidance on what's true, what's mere hearsay, what's out of context, just mentioning of names.
And it does feel like a lot of the people, you didn't want to listen to him at the time, have been proven right that people are just getting smeared.
And like out of nowhere, innocent people are getting hurt.
And some of the victims are getting hurt too.
Yeah, well, you had Ro Khanna, another Reed Hoffman Democrat ally, go to the floor, you know, along with Thomas Massey, and they outed, you know, six people who were on there as people who were doing stuff with Epstein.
They were random people in a lineup that was tangentially related to Epstein.
These were random people.
They didn't do anything wrong.
They apparently just had their photos taken at the wrong time.
The thing that I find so exasperating is, yes, we have a bazillion documents now and we're able to learn a lot.
The one thing that I want to know is which Intel agencies was he working for?
Which ones?
I don't believe anyone when they tell me, oh, he wasn't doing anything with the CIA.
He wasn't doing anything with Mossad.
He wasn't doing anything with the Saudis.
Nope, he was just a weird guy doing stuff.
No one believes that.
And I guess my frustration is after all this time, after all these years, I just assume all the documents they had, if they ever even had them, that tell us those things, that answer those questions, are gone.
And I just find the whole thing maddening and frustrating because I feel like that's the one thing people want to know.
Tell us who he was working for.
And that's the one thing apparently we're never going to get to know for certain.
Well, and it's like, why does he FOIA himself?
Why does he FOIA the CIA twice?
I know Blake's is a nascent.
I'm the big skeptic on that.
I think I'm completely with you.
I don't believe it.
I think it was soft power.
Yeah, he's not like, here's your W-2 for the CIA.
It wasn't like that, guys.
This was all soft power and behind the scenes.
If that's what it was, then the question is like, how far does it go?
Because if it's a much more casual arrangement where he just deals in information sometimes, that's, I guess, then you ask, what's the big scandal there?
Because the claim is, of course, that he was doing intel ops that might blackmail people and trap people, get really involved in the family.
I think he was running money.
I think he was doing financial transactions.
And I think they let him do the kinky sex crap because he was valuable for them with the financial laundry and all that.