Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA brands colleges as "scams" and urges pro-American activism, dismissing LGBTQ+ critiques from athletes like Hunter Hess and Amber Glenn while targeting Eileen Gu for competing for China. Jeffree Steele’s pro-Kirk song, A Voice, was rejected by mainstream radio despite grassroots acclaim, contrasting with Springsteen’s anti-Trump anthem’s success. Kirk endorses Texas candidates (Paxton, Roy) via a 10-issue scorecard, prioritizing swing states like Texas for 2028 wins, but slams Rep. Thomas Massey’s opposition to the Save America Act—bipartisan (80-20 approval)—as donor-driven betrayal. The movement’s future hinges on unified endorsements and federal hiring control to shape policies and courts. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
I'm in Palm Beach.
Blake is holding it down in Phoenix.
And Blake, we get to talk about your favorite type of music next.
Oh, boy.
Which one?
You and Charlie shared your lack of appreciation.
You and Charlie shared a lack of appreciation for country music.
As somebody who grew up with cowboys all around me and ranchers, I am steeped in it, steeped in the culture, and I love it.
And so I'm really excited about this next guest, Jeffree Steele.
He's a Hall of Fame songwriter.
He's written hits like Cowboy and Me by Tim McGraw, Rascal Flat, Flat's What Hurts the Most and My Wish, Montgomery Gentry, My Town, and Hell Yeah.
I mean, this guy has done some absolute bangers, some huge, huge hits.
And he released a song called A Voice, and it mentions Charlie.
It was a beautiful tribute to Charlie.
And when he released it, I got this song sent to me by about, I'm not kidding, maybe 15, maybe 20 people saying we should have him on.
So I'm going to play his song and we'll welcome Jeffree Steele 385.
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So Jeffree Steele, Hall of Fame songwriter, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's good to have you.
What an honor to be here.
Thank you for having me.
Well, it's an honor that you chose to honor Charlie in that way.
And to just tell us, it felt like the right time to do this interview because we just had our All-American halftime show and millions tuned in.
We're still working on a final number.
40, 50 million people watched that thing.
We had obviously a bunch of country acts and Kid Rock even did Tell You Can't.
So it felt like the right time to do this.
Tell us what inspired you to do this song and this tribute to Charlie.
Well, I mean, the message of the song speaks to what you're just talking about, the numbers you're talking about.
People do feel unspoken for, and we just saw it with these numbers that you've got.
The song was written about me wanting to try to make a point of talking about the people that are unspoken for and the people that are always neglected in this society.
And after Charlie was assassinated, I went, after the song was written, I went to a hometown vigil in Franklin, Tennessee, my hometown, and I showed up with a bunch of friends and there were 5,000 people in the town square overflowing with people just praying and singing.
There was no statues coming down.
There was no flags being lit.
There was nobody cussing and screaming and fighting.
It was just people praying for a better outcome and a representation of who Charlie really was.
And I just, as a songwriter, I was just standing there watching all of that happen.
I was like, man, I've got to put this in the song.
It's a Charlie Kirk choir out here.
And I just felt like I had to go in the song.
And I got some rocks thrown at me for that.
I was going to say, what's the reaction been from your research?
Well, a lot of people, you're really well known in that community.
I mean, if people at home don't know who you are, everybody in Nashville knows who you are.
So it's a big deal.
And a lot of people heard the song.
And the first reaction was, well, we can help you with this song, but you're going to have to change a couple of the lines.
And I was like, I wonder which ones they want me to change.
And I said, no, I can't do that because that's my job as a songwriter.
I write what I see.
I write the truth.
And I try to represent that the best I can.
And I just figured I could work this song on my own grassroots if I couldn't get the help from the industry that was kind of frowning upon what I wrote about.
So I just figured I'd try to go for it myself with the help of some people like John Rich and others.
I got a few platforms where I could launch this thing and get it heard and with accompanying video.
And the next thing I know, I'm off to the races with a hit song on my hands because people want to hear it.
People do feel like they're not spoken for and they do need a voice.
Thank you.
Thank you for your courage.
And I think Blake's probably going to have some thoughts on this too.
But when we set about doing the halftime show, we hit some serious pushback from venues, from not really artists.
A lot of the artists were really excited to be a part of it, but then their agents and their managers would get involved and they'd be looking at dollar signs and then there was some sort of hesitancy.
Explain that piece of the industry that people maybe don't understand.
Why would there be reticence to use the name Charlie Kirk in a song?
Why would there be reticence to be a part of something like the halftime show?
And when we push through and we get 40 to 50 million eyeballs on it, does that change things?
Yeah, I feel like they're pushing a narrative as hard as they can.
And it started a few years ago with the national anthem and taking the knee.
And the public immediately showed what they thought about that.
And you've got basically a country that so many people are watching.
Everybody in the world is watching this game, but the American audience is so vast.
And what they want to see on that field is a representation of what they feel America is.
And I think that every year this thing gets crazier, more outlandish, more sex-driven, less morality, less about faith, less about country.
And I just think there's quite a few hundred million Americans out there that have just said, enough, we've had enough.
And that was the reason to try to be a voice for those voices that are just being completely silenced by the music industry.
For me to try to get this song out, I can give you a great example.
The week after I released this song, Bruce Springsteen comes out with an anthem about Minneapolis.
And it's an anti-Trump and it's an anti-ICE lyric.
And it's immediately embraced and wrapped around and it goes to number one, where my song, they won't even, they tell me it's too right wing.
They can't play it on the radio.
And that's what we're up against as a conservative music listener.
You can't find the music unless I find a way.
I have to creep and crawl to find a way to get it out there to the public that really wants to hear it.
And the main thing is, Andrew, everywhere I've gone playing this song live before I released it, everywhere I went and played the song live, people are on their feet.
They're just immediately on their feet cheering.
And I knew that I was hitting a nerve.
And so to have them push back at me and not help me promote it, it was a tough thing for a guy that's been around for 45 years.
It's a tough thing, but you just have to find ways.
And you know people want to hear it.
So you keep pushing for the truth.
That's all you can do.
Blake is our resident, huge, massive country fan.
Any thoughts, Blake?
i i'm very glad no i'm i am very glad about about the reaction It's just, you were saying, Andrew, like you grew up around ranchers.
I grew up around a lot of ranchers too.
It just did, it did not.
I didn't like Charlie.
I was not born with the country gene in my brain.
But I'm very glad that you've shown that love for Charlie, Jeffrey.
I'm very glad your song is a hit for that reason.
And I'm glad the All-American Halftime Show was a hit.
If people want to hear country music, they should hear country music.
I just put on rock music instead.
Absolutely.
And I think to put it down, to put down the halftime show and to put down somebody's work.
I mean, this is America.
It's free speech.
We should be able to get it all out there.
Either we get all of it out there or we get none of it out there.
And the one thing that Charlie was, was a voice for everybody.
He was a voice for everybody that felt like they didn't have a voice.
That was his whole mission, to bring what he knew and just try to bring some common sense to everything he spoke about and let people have a microphone and have a voice to speak their minds.
And that's really was the basis of the song.
So there was no way I couldn't include that in the song.
I had to speak to him and what he did for young Americans.
Accessing Medications Safely00:02:04
Good for you, Jeffrey.
So how do people get the song?
How do they support you?
Okay, through all the traditional means, whether it's iTunes, Spotify, all the streaming services, you can go to jeffresteel.com and that will link you right to it.
That's probably the easiest way.
And look for me, I'll be around all around the country playing this song, but it's available at all your normal streaming, Spotify, Pandora, all of them, anywhere, iTunes, and jeffreysteel.com.
Yeah, amen.
God bless you.
I mean, you're a legend in the space.
And thank you for honoring our friend in the way that you have and for standing firm, keeping his name in there.
God bless you, Jeffrey.
Thank you.
Thank you for giving me a minute.
I appreciate you guys.
Thank you.
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Olympic Athletes and Political Pushback00:07:53
It feels amazing.
I love representing the U.S.
I freaking love living there.
I love it.
And I'm so happy I get to represent USA.
Blake, isn't it just so nice that all of our Olympians are just, you know, honoring the flag, patriots, just being so gracious in their interviews in Milan?
Isn't it?
If only that were the case, Andrew.
Oh, man.
Why don't you start us off, Blake?
What was the most offensive this year?
Well, first of all, I'm going to say the real villain here, of course, are the press because they're the ones who ask the questions.
I don't think it's not like the Oscars where everyone goes up on stage and they're instantly chomping at the bit to go out and be like, by the way, screw America.
It's that every single person after they compete, after they win a medal, there's some hack with a media badge who's like, oh, does it feel awkward to compete for your evil demon fascist country?
Which they'll never ask anyone in any other country.
So the one that's been in the news lately that stood out is freestyle skater Hunter Hess, who had some negative vibes.
We'll show that.
Clip 310.
Makes to motions to represent the U.S. right now, I think.
It's a little hard.
There's obviously a lot going on that I'm not the biggest fan of, and I think a lot of people aren't.
If it aligns with my moral values, I feel like I'm representing it.
Just because I'm wearing the flag doesn't mean I represent everything that's going on in the U.S.
So yeah, I just kind of want to do it for my friends and my family and the people that support me getting here.
It's all such a rigged thing.
There's an American-born skier, Eileen Gu.
She competed in China.
Last Winter Olympics were in China.
She competed in those as an American-born individual, but of Chinese descent.
She's competing for China again.
And she's like the perfect example because she's opined, oh, oh, we need legal abortion in America.
She supports Black Lives Matter.
And anytime Chinese internal policy of any kind comes up, she's like, I just, I do not comment on internal matters within the People's Republic of China.
Like, 100% to double standard, 100% nonsense.
Nobody's ever going to badger her.
Oh, how do you feel about internal events in Hong Kong, or that treatment of dissidents, this or that political action by the Chinese government, which is vastly more authoritarian than anything going on under President Trump?
Pure nonsense.
But instead, we get more of this.
We have another clip.
This is skater Amber Glenn, clip 311.
It's been a hard time for the community overall under this administration.
It isn't the first time that we've had to come together as a community and try and fight for our human rights.
And now, especially, it's not just affecting the queer community, but many other communities.
I hope I can use my platform and my voice throughout these games to try and encourage people to stay strong in these hard times.
I know that a lot of people say, you're just an athlete.
Like, stick to your job.
Shut up about politics, but politics affect us all.
It is something that I will not just be quiet about because it is something that affects us in our everyday lives.
Deport.
That's my word for them.
Deport.
I don't even care.
It's so absurd.
That clip, we've played that one before because it was from pre before.
This is so offensive to so many people because, Blake, can you riddle me this?
Like, one policy from the Trump administration that is affecting LGBTQ plus IA whatevers?
One policy.
I guess we are.
We're rolling back some of the transgender insanity.
And then the other day, because of the rule that they said, stop waving pride flags at government facilities, they took down the pride flag at the Stonewall National Monument, which I got a big kick out of.
But I feel like that's the biggest atrocity.
Obviously, they're not doing anything on, certainly not their right to exist or whatever hyperbolic rhetoric you'll find online.
It's so offensive to me because, listen, all these people enjoy wonderful lives.
They have amazing opportunities because of this country.
If you can't say nothing nice, just don't say anything at all.
And you're right, Blake.
It's these media villains that come in and they try and bait athletes that have no media training, that don't know how to kind of weave out of a stupid question.
They were doing this, by the way, at the Australian Open as well.
It was one guy who kept going around saying, What is it like in this terrible time in your fascist dictatorial country?
And it's completely a rigged game.
They're not asking anybody else this.
I mean, why don't they go ask British athletes, say, well, what does it feel like to have your whole country invaded by Muslims?
Is it really hard to represent your country at?
No, no questions about that.
What about the cover-up of the rape gangs?
No, none of it.
And this is part of, you know, we're victims of our own success here.
And Blake, you've probably experienced this.
When you travel abroad, the foreign media covers like half of their own country and then half of their programming is just devoted to anything that's going on in America.
So the entire world feels like they're entitled to opine on American domestic politics.
Oh, yeah.
It's frustrating.
We are 100% victims of our own success and just how fascinating we are.
I've seen people joke where it's like Canadians notoriously follow, often follow American politics more than their own politics.
A lot of Europeans, as you say, it's 50-50.
And I guess we're also just victims of the nature of modern sports media.
If you're a sports journalist, probably no one's going to care that much about your curling athletes unless, oh, if you can get them to say something bashing ice, bashing the administration, it's now a general story, which they were completely successful at.
We have Clip 361.
But we'd be remiss if we didn't at least mention what's going on in Minnesota and what a tough time it's been for everybody.
I am a lawyer, as you know, and we do the constant.
We have a constitution and it allows us to freedom of the press and freedom of speech, protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures, and makes it that we have to, you know, have probable cause to be pulled over.
And what's happening in Minnesota is wrong.
There's no shades of gray.
It's clear.
Yeah, you know what?
It is wrong what's happening in Minnesota because these agitators should stop harassing law enforcement, you dunce.
Yeah, really anyone can become a curler, is what I got from that video.
It's like, oh, it's a 45-year-old lawyer-looking guy.
But to make sure we get this in, Vice President Mance had a very good response to Hunter Hess's comments that we showed a few minutes ago.
We need to play that.
363.
Olympic athletes were unbelievable, and I know the entire country is rooting for them.
Yes, you're going to have some Olympic athletes who pop off about politics.
I feel like that happens every Olympics.
My advice to them would be to try to bring the country together.
And when you're representing the country, you're representing Democrats and Republicans.
You're there to play a sport, and you're there to represent your country.
And hopefully win a medal.
You're not there to pop off about politics.
So when Olympic athletes enter the political arena, they should expect some pushback.
But most Olympic athletes, whatever their politics, are doing a great job, are certainly enjoy the support of the entire country.
And I think recognize that the way to bring the country together is not to show up in a foreign country and attack the president of the United States.
Let me translate that for you.
Shut up and dribble.
That's it.
That's all we want you to do.
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We're about to get to an around the horn sort of what races to watch.
What endorsements have we just made?
Tyler, welcome to the show.
What's up, Andrew?
You know the trial.
Yeah, hey, man.
So I started seeing, we made a bunch of announcements about endorsements in the state of Texas.
I started seeing a bunch of chatter online.
Why don't you walk us through it and then we're going to go race by race, where we're looking and how Turning Point Action is getting involved and what the audience can do to help.
Yeah, so we actually just made a lot of different endorsements.
You can actually go see all of Turning Point Action's endorsements live in real time as they come out.
And this is kind of peak endorsement season.
Usually the first quarter of the year of the election is when a lot of endorsements are coming out.
So you see a lot of different organizations making them.
We've been pretty judicious about our endorsements at Turning Point Action.
Most of it's based off of our scorecard.
But you can go see our endorsements at tpaction.com slash endorsements.
That's tpaction.com slash endorsements.
And again, a lot of what we do when we make endorsements, we're making them around what their score looks like if they have a record.
So our scorecard, we're pretty tough graders.
We've been kind of hailed as the toughest graders.
Other issues we particularly emphasize?
We have an all-encompassing scorecard.
So if you go to our scorecard, we have a bunch of different issues.
The key issues that we cover are typically a scorecard will cover one issue.
Like, for example, the NRAs covers Second Amendment issues.
Ours covers American culture, big tech and free speech, border security, educational freedoms, our school choice, election integrity, health and medical freedom, Second Amendment, taxes and spending.
So we kind of cover all of it.
And that's what goes into our scoring for how we make endorsements.
And then those that don't have a record, we give them a questionnaire to fill out.
And based off of their answers that they give in the questionnaire, that matches up with how the most recent voting goes.
That's typically how we'll start placing endorsements with our team.
But yeah, so we just made some critical endorsements in Texas and Texas statewide candidates.
There's two very interesting ones.
Ken Paxton, who's running for U.S. Senate, who's leading the polls right now, doing very well, supported by the conservatives across the state.
And then Chip Roy, who has been a member of the Freedom Caucus for AG to replace Ken Paxton.
We're kind of the two big, big movers and shakers.
Some other big ones.
Well, yeah.
And Tyler, just if we pause there, I saw people commenting.
So it's sort of a well-known fact that, you know, Ken, who we endorsed for Senate, and Congressman Chip Roy, who we endorse for AG, have a little bit of history.
People are like, I can't believe you endorsed both or whatever.
Listen, both come on the show.
Both have been great patriots.
Both have stood by Turning Point, by Charlie.
Is there anything you want to just say about that particular dynamic?
Because it is something people have brought up.
Yeah, I mean, everybody's got an opinion.
No one's perfect in politics, right?
So there's always going to be a situation when you do endorsements where, you know, somebody's upset.
We don't generally wade into endorsements lightly.
So again, we have a very judicious approach that we take, which is, you know, it's not you're just endorsing someone because they're friends with somebody.
We look at their score.
We look at their record.
We look at the polling that exists right now.
Do they have a chance to win?
Blake just brought up on a recent podcast that we did, the Buckley rule, which is you want to try to elect the most conservative candidate that has the best chance of winning.
And so that's kind of the approach that we take with things is they need to have a great record.
They need to bring back the questionnaire.
They need to be recommended by people we trust.
But then, you know, we kind of grill them.
We talk to them.
We court them, talk to them for a long time and see kind of where they end up.
And based off of that, that's how we come to things.
We also prioritize states that matter the most.
So you'll notice on our scorecard, most of the states are swing states.
And then we just started wading into a state like Texas, which has a primary that's coming up here in the next week, week or two here, where you have early ballots starting to drop and the election is going to take place in March.
So that's kind of the approach that we take with everything.
Again, very judicious, very focused.
No one is perfect in politics.
So you're always going to have a situation where you feel like somebody has some, you know, susceptibility to lose or that they have a quality that you don't like or a vote that they made that you don't like or a statement that they said that you don't like.
That's pretty much on both sides.
You kind of, in most cases, want to find the person that aligns most with the value system and then has the most importance for us to win long term and help the elections in 2026 and 2028.
And so if you look at our statewides right now, obviously one of our earliest endorsements, Charlie's endorsement, Andy Biggs, you know, former chairman of the Freedom Caucus here in Arizona, Byron Donald's running for Florida.
We have Ken Paxton on the wrong part.
We have his run for U.S. Senate on the state endorsements instead of the end of the year.
Got to move that.
It's on the federal.
It's on the federal, too.
That's supposed to be up on the federal.
So it is.
Yeah, they just, I think, they duplicated there.
But yeah, that's you have Joe Lombardo running for Nevada governor.
You have Burt Jones running for Georgia governor.
Marsha Blackburn, obviously, who's been a friend of the organization for a long time.
These are kind of, we're laying out the future here, and many more will come.
Congresswoman Harriet Hageman just recently announced she's running for U.S. Senate.
So we have a couple of U.S. Senate.
We have a couple of really interesting congressional endorsements that we made.
Michael Alfonso, who will be the youngest member of Congress, should he get elected to replace Tom Tiffany in Wisconsin.
Again, a swing state.
Great young dude.
He was at America Fest.
Incredible, incredible talent, great family, beautiful, beautiful family.
Joe Mitchell, who's in Iowa, who will, again, also be one of the youngest members of Congress.
So yeah, there's just some really exciting, really exciting hope for the future, I think, when you go through this.
And again, a great place to put your focus, energy, money, time, energy, and to help us chase votes ultimately when it comes to the end of this election, the end of this year.
So there's a lot of questions about that.
And I do want to just reiterate real quick that this is, we've got Michael Alfonso and Joe Mitchell.
Really, one of our focuses here at Turning Point Action is finding that next generation of talent of next generation of conservative leaders that really can not only do a good job in Congress, but that have bright futures ahead of them wherever they choose to go, whether that's stay in Congress or run for Senate or governor.
So Joe Mitchell in Iowa and Michael Alfonso in Wisconsin are two really great shooting stars that you want to keep your eye on.
And we'll have more of those coming out in the months ahead.
Also, so Tyler, there's a lot of question about where Turning Point Action is going to be deploying resources, paid staff, ballot chasing ahead of the midterms.
Now, we have kind of a 2028 vision for things, but we're also working on 2026.
Maybe walk the audience through where we're focusing our attention the most.
Yeah, so our top, so we are the only national organization in the conservative movement that has full-time staff in all the swing states.
So, you know, actually right now, as we're speaking, we have a training class that's over in our Turning Point Action building that I just came from, that I just spoke to, where we are training up staff to be deployed to Indiana.
We have staff that are being deployed to all the swing states.
Indiana, of course, has just as a refresher, we had the individuals in the state senate that blocked redistricting.
That would have given us at least another House seat in Indiana.
And so that's of utmost importance to hold those people accountable.
And so we have staff that are being deployed out there for candidates that are running.
But then in the swing states, of course, so Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Ohio, those are all the key states where there are key races,
fundamental races in many of those states, a majority of those states in 2026 that are crucial for us to win and set the stage for 2028 for a candidate JD Vance or a really strong Republican ticket that is going to come forth, of course, through the pathway, the normal pathway of Iowa, the Iowa caucuses, and the New Hampshire where we have full-time staff.
So again, we're laying the ground game now, and anyone getting involved with Turning Point Action now is directly helping, again, set the table, lay the foundation for 2028.
And this couldn't be more critical because 2028 is going to define whether we win or lose long term, specifically around the census and redistricting for 2030.
If we lose the presidency in 2028 and we do not set the table correctly in 2026 in all these states, you lose 2028, you lose the country, maybe for a generation.
So it's really, really critical that we win.
Blake, since you spent so much time in D.C., I want to get into staffing.
Setting the Table for 202800:08:46
Like, what would the implication of staffing?
If you have four years of President Trump and then let's just say another four years of JD, maybe Marcos is VP, maybe you get eight years.
What kind of momentum you can build from a staffing perspective?
Because one of the things that's good about President Trump having a term off, so we got to kind of clear the table and bring in real, real talent, right?
But it also meant that Joe Biden had four years to kind of keep staffing and replace people in the bureaucracy, which was a problem.
Also, breaking news here, the U.S. House has approved a rule for the Save America Act.
The bill requires proof of citizenship to vote.
It passed 216 to 215.
The only GOP no vote was, you guessed it.
I'm almost certain you guessed it, Thomas Massey voted.
The downfall of Thomas Massey is a very heartbreaking story, and we'll have to talk about it sometime when it's all over.
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So, we just found out that Thomas Massey is apparently anti-the Save Act, which puts him out of step with the entirety of the conservative movement, basically.
Pretty, pretty, yeah.
There's some fireworks also on the House floor because Pam Bondi is just level, just went after him directly as well.
Lots going on today.
Yeah, she was testifying about the Epstein files today, so he was digging into her.
Hopefully, we can get that clip.
That'd be interesting.
But yeah, Tyler, there's literally no excuse to be anti-Save Act.
Yeah, not.
I mean, there's zero excuse.
Like, literally, it's an 80-20.
Like, at this point, you just look ridiculous.
Yeah, I mean, you stayed quiet on the Massey thing, but this is obscene.
How do you know against the save act?
I mean, I have been this is, you know, all the arguments that have been made pro-Massey.
And again, we've been historically, Charlie was friendly with Thomas.
And, you know, there's that.
I think one of the best YouTube videos I've ever watched was him, you know, putting in a Tesla cell to power his off-the-grid house.
He's such an impressive guy.
You really want to love him.
He's incredible.
He's from the impoverished town in Kentucky.
He goes to MIT, marries his high school sweetheart, builds his off-the-grid house, has his battery-powered national debt clock that he wears around.
A very impressive guy in a lot of ways.
But I do think he's feuded with President Trump a long time.
He feuded with him in the first term.
And I do think that's warped him a bit over time.
But you could offer more perspective on that maybe.
I think what happens is you just get a certain people in Congress unfortunately get sucked into just talking to the people who fund them the most, which I think is actually antithetical to what the idea of Congress is supposed to be.
The idea of Congress is supposed to be originally was that you are representative of the people.
It was a certain amount of people.
It was a lot smaller of a group of people in America at the time when it was originally devised.
And you were deeply influenced by your actual community.
And unfortunately, congressmen, you know, have, I think it's 700 and some odd thousand people that they represent.
And so the reality of representing people just doesn't happen.
And so when you're peppered by people who talk to you the most, which end up being your fundraisers and the people who give you money and the people who influence you the most or have been your ideological fanboys or fangirls, you listen to those people the most and they warp your sense of representation.
And I think that people fall prey to that on the left, for sure.
We see that all the time.
Obviously, we see that with the entire Democrat Party, but we see it happen on the right, you know, fairly frequently, where these people just become fairly warped and inaccessible, and they just become full of vitriol for, again, the president or for a specific piece of legislature.
They get warped, and then it crashes their career instead of being balanced, which I think Thomas Massey has been balanced for most of his career, and it's unfortunate to see him go against the Save Act.
Yeah, and I think, you know, genuinely, I felt terrible for Thomas Massey when he lost his wife.
The president's been opining on Truth Social, though, that his new wife is leading him down this very liberal path.
And who knows?
You know, it's not really, you can't really know that sort of thing.
But this is that fiery exchange I was just telling you about.
We have it loaded now between Attorney General Pam Pondi and Thomas Massey, the floor of the House, 419.
Move to the chairman's question.
Within 40 minutes, you asked me a question.
Within 40 minutes, Wexner's name was added back.
Within 40 minutes of me catching you red-handed.
Red-handed.
There was one redaction.
Where he's listed as a coach.
And we invited you in.
This guy has Trump derangement syndrome.
He needs to get.
You're a failed politician.
He needs to watch it.
That was the illustrious Constitutional Republic in action.
No, yeah, she was mad that they had Wexter's name blacked out on something, which evidently they knew he was there because he could call it out.
And then they put it in within 40 minutes.
It's such a bizarre thing.
But Blake.
Blake, they're also getting mad at the lack of redactions, too.
They're saying it's too messy.
There's not enough redactions.
There's people on both sides of this debate.
There has been such a push from grassroots on the left and the right, politicians on the left and the right to get this stuff out.
They pushed it all out based on this act that was passed.
And now there's people saying not enough redactions, too many redactions.
So it's a complete mess either way you look at it.
Is Massey the first politician to go downhill big time when he grew a beard?
Like JD Vance got way better with the beard.
I feel like usually growing a beard is awesome for a politician.
I think it goes either way.
I think it's like, you know, when they talk about women changing their hair color dramatically, it's like either it's really good or really indicative of something not going well.
Yeah.
I think that's beards for men.
Yeah.
I don't know.
As a beard grower myself.
You're doing great.
I'm territorial.
We want it to be an improvement.
You slow rolled into it.
Yes.
But you've gotten the full, like, I'm trying to get you to go the full linen, you know?
Let's not go too far here yet, Tyler.
Before we close, Andrew, I just, I do want to emphasize that point you mentioned, why it is so important that we win, because it does come down to who's staffing things in D.C.
And as much as we think Trump did have the chance to improve because they spent four years in the wilderness and they learned a lot from mistakes and they came out like a cannonball, the biggest loss they had was they had four years of appointments, interrupted four years of Biden, and then they resume.
And you saw this with Obama especially.
A lot of consolidation happens in the second half of an administration and especially in a second term.
You just, you have a full, like a kind of generation of federal hires who are controlled by a process.
And there's all these rule changes.
You basically need till the end of this term for President Trump to win every Supreme Court case he's going to have to win to have strong control over federal hiring.
And then you'll get that in the second half.
So that's why all of these turning point endorsements, these turnpoint action endorsements matter.
That's why we need them to win so that we can win in 28.
It's all about consolidation.
And we need to.
Can you imagine 12 years of hiring?
12 years of hiring at the federal level.
Man.
We have to win in 2028, and we need people to work together.