One of the last people Charlie met in his life was South Korean pastor Son Hyun-bo. Now, Pastor Son is imprisoned by South Korea’s government for supposed political advocacy crimes. Pastor Son’s two sons, Chance and Young-Kwang, came to AmericaFest to raise awareness for their father’s case, and joined Blake and Mikey for an Exclusives interview. The brothers discuss their father’s resistance to Covid lockdowns, how feminism and moral cowardice have infested many Korean churches, Korea’s disastrously low birthrate, and more. Join a petition for Pastor Son’s release at https://faith-freedom.com/call-for-pastor-sons-release-from-jail Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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All right, so for those who didn't see our show yesterday, these are the two sons of Pastor Son, who is a pastor that Charlie met while he was in Korea.
That was the last international trip he took.
He met with him, and just a very short time later, I think literally one or two days, correct?
He was two days, he was arrested by Korean authorities for his alleged that his political activities amounted to criminal behavior.
And there's been a lot of threats like that against Christian pastors in South Korea.
For those who don't know, South Korea actually is a quite Christian country.
It has one of the highest numbers of Christian believers in Asia, especially East Asia.
And so we've been following that story and we wanted to have them on again.
Yeah, I'll also add, we were backstage when I think it was my dad.
He brought Pastor Son over and he said, you know, he's been speaking up.
They're arresting pastors.
He might get arrested.
And Charlie and I kind of looked at each other and we're like, surely not.
We hear about that in the U.S.
We hear about that in the U.S. Like all these guys, there's a lot of guys in the U.S. who will say, I'm being persecuted.
I'll take that risk of getting arrested and it never actually happened.
Yeah, so we're like, no, like for what?
And he's like, oh, talking about politics from the pulpit during an off-election season, like breaking.
You can go into that.
But we were like, no, no way.
And Charlie goes, okay, I'll tell you what.
Gives me the phone.
He's like, take a picture.
And as they take the picture, Charlie goes, I took that photo because if and when you get arrested, I'm going to post it everywhere and blast it on social media to make sure I get you out of prison.
And so the reason we're doing this podcast and the reason why all of us have been so just invested in the story is because Charlie was literally personally invested in the story.
And so if you guys could tell us exactly why he was arrested and then also just kind of that story, it was so great meeting you guys backstage at that event.
Before I start off with my father's story, it was an honor to meet Mikey and Charlie Kirk in the backstage.
I was there, but Mikey, when Pastor Bob reached out to Charlie and Mikey, introducing my father, I didn't not know that my father would be arrested two days after because not a lot of Christians and also even the family members,
we didn't know that he would be arrested because the arrest warrant, we read the whole 49 pages of that and it was absurd because mainly it was politically, he was violating the political neutrality from the pulpit.
But when we go back to COVID lockdown, my father was the only mega church pastor that didn't surrender worship.
And it was to a point where the church was literally locked down.
And they put ropes around the church.
The police went to the church and forced the bleeding.
The government officials did that, and we still worshipped outside, increasing the temperature.
And ever since then, my father has been the symbol of Christian conservatism in Korea.
He has been the biggest threat to the leftist government because he would be so vocal.
He would speak out just like how Pastor Bob has been doing as well during COVID lockdown as well.
Yeah, I mean, my wife's family is here too, and they have a similar story from their grandfather, but also them having been persecuted in the Soviet Union.
And Joseph von derengel, he has an amazing story.
He's still alive.
He has a great book called KGB's Most Wanted.
But they have such a similar story.
And this is actually how they've met my dad is during in the Soviet Union, he was running one of the biggest underground church networks.
And he was arrested for it and put in the gulag.
And then he got out, did it again, and was arrested again.
And so they came to America and they saw that my dad was facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and possible jail time and had to go to court and get a legal team.
And our congregants were getting fined just simply for worshiping during COVID.
And they're like, wait, this is really scary.
This reminds us what we came from in the Soviet Union.
And so now they're seeing that in your dad, and we're all seeing that.
And so this is a warning sign.
This is Korea, but this could also come to America.
Exactly.
That's why we're here.
And is this something you ever thought you would have to deal with with your dad?
You never thought your dad would have to get arrested, surely.
So ever since COVID lockdown, again, my father, so six lawsuits out of 16 he's facing is from lockdown.
And yeah, it's absurd.
For just simply worshiping, not following the guideline.
And we still didn't know that, even though he was going through 16 lawsuits, we didn't even imagine, we couldn't imagine that my father would actually be imprisoned.
And that's because, so to give you a little bit of context, what's going on in Christian community right now is in Korea, 10 million Christians out of 50 million are Christians.
However, the misconcept and misleading idea of separation between the church and state has been implemented among Christians even.
So actually we've invited Pastor Bob multiple times going back three, four years ago.
And he has awakened a lot of Christians in Korea and giving us encouragement and told us to be courageous, just like how Bible tells us.
And that's been basically moving the Christian movement in Korea as well.
Yeah, Blake, you and I talked with Charlie a ton about the low birth rate in Korea.
It's the lowest in the world.
So Charlie spoke about at the event.
What is it?
What is it?
I think it's the lowest in the world.
It's about 0.7 per.
So it means on average, their rate is such that the average woman in Korea would have 0.7 children by the time she's finished.
And so just to put that into perspective, 0.7, the extinction rate of Korea at that rate.
100 grandparents will have about 35, 36 kids who will have 12 grandchildren.
And so the extinction rate is four times that of COVID-19.
And your dad is facing fines and jail time and he's currently in prison for what he did during COVID-19 when your entire country shut down everything for something that doesn't even have the same extinction rate as their current birth rate.
Exactly.
And they're not even doing anything to combat the birth rate right now.
Yeah.
They say they are there, really.
It's not going, it's not improving.
Do the pastors talk about that?
I guess it was so interesting to me when I was in Seoul for about a week and I just felt like I didn't see children at all.
I think I saw one toddler.
It was in a McDonald's and they had squeaky shoes that made a rubber ducky sound every time they took a step.
And that was about it.
Very Korean.
Very Korean.
So I guess, yeah, I know that's not on the topic of getting arrested, but what do pastors say about that?
Is there an awareness of, like, do they say our country is going to go extinct if we don't do what every generation prior to us did pretty much automatically?
Yeah, so the very law my father has been arrested for and imprisoned for is election law violation.
It's because my father criticized a political candidate for pushing LGBT agenda into schools and even church not being able to preach about what's simple and what's not.
And also a candidate that promised to appoint 30% of the governor positions for sexual minorities.
And as a pastor, my father had to say something about that.
And because of that, school is being too political.
And because of risk of flight, my father has been imprisoned.
But my father has been serving the same community, same area for the last 33 years without even taking a sabbatical.
And risk of flight is just an absurd reason.
Yeah, and I mean, the church is the only one that's bringing the message to have more children than you can afford.
The church is the only one that's providing a community to support families even when they can't afford cost of living and to find jobs in Korea.
The church is the one that's actually helping this existential birth rate that's going to eviscerate your country and this ancient civilization that you guys have.
And it's really sad to see that the government instead of partnering with that is turning on it and saying instead of partnering with them, let's jail the pastors, hire all the people that can't have kids because they're gay.
And then that's what you're saying.
He's saying they wanted to hire 30% of the government workforce as sexual minorities.
So you're referring to gay people.
Blake, correct me if I'm wrong.
I mean, that would lower the gay rate in our government.
Yeah, that would lower the gay rate.
Yeah, it's sad to see.
Yeah.
So tell me about your story.
How do you fit in?
One problem in South Korea is, for instance, young Christian women, they do not want to have baby, actually.
It's ridiculous.
That's weird.
The Bible says they should.
But there's no Christian worldview actually in South Korea churches among Christians.
So that's the problem of South Korea.
And that results in the, I think, imprisonment of my father finally.
And during COVID-19, there are lots of megachurches in South Korea.
You know, maybe the biggest church is in South Korea, full Gospel Church in Seoul.
The biggest in the world.
It's the biggest in the world.
But pastors think like there are 70% conservative people, but there are 30% Democrats in the church.
So they gave up to speak up about birth rate or that kind of thing.
Because it would make a lot of people uncomfortable.
Even although it was one-third of the Christian population.
Are you guys married?
My brother's married.
Do you have kids?
Yeah, two keys.
Ah, breaking the point.
He's single-handedly tripling the country's birth rate.
Yes.
I want to have much more.
Oh, I love it.
Many, many more.
And once I get married, I should get married soon.
That's something I need to learn from Mike as well.
I'm, you know, many, many, much older than he is, but much respect for you, man.
Thank you.
I get married young.
It's all Charlie.
It's what it is.
So, what is the best way to get your dad out of prison right now?
And how long is his sentence?
So, which is unprecedented, the prosecutors asked for one year imprisonment.
And this is absurd because when you look at the legal precedents for the election law violation, even the ones that have ran for the office, they have only gotten fined.
So it's not much of a criminal thing that you would get in prison for.
But prosecutors asking for one year imprisonment is absurd.
And it could be up to one year.
But so, as sons, we personally want my father to be released because they're going after the church, church members, assistant pastors, and police accessing my family's telecommunication logs multiple times for investigation.
And they could add more charges to my father's case so they can lock him up again.
But long-term-wise, we need not only South Koreans, but American and also Christians in the world to raise voices to secure religious freedom and freedom of religious education.
And I believe that that is what's essential in looking at this case and know that this will come to your door someday.
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How many pastors like your dad are imprisoned in Korea right now?
None, because my father is the most vocal one and they are setting example right now.
Got it.
There's no other ones prior to him, though, that have been released.
No.
So in May, my father's secular church and our home were raided, which is also unpresented.
And in July, Yoy the Full Gospel Church, which is the biggest church again, like you said, Mikey, has been raided.
And the most influential pastor, Dr. Billy Kim, his broadcasting company has been raided.
He was the interpreter for Billy Gunn Crusade in Korea.
And so they have raided the most vocal one, my father, biggest church and the most influential.
I, you know, actually, this really pisses me off because it was at that event in Korea that Yoida Full Gospel Church, the pastor was going to speak at that build up Korea event.
And they had like 35 pastors that were signed up to come and all these donors that had pledged funds for the event.
And then two days prior, they found out Charlie was coming and Americans were coming.
And the government reached out to these people and threatened them.
And so Yoido Full Gospel pulls out, the biggest church in the world pulls out of this event and all of the pastors cancel.
And only three showed up.
And of the three that showed up, only one decided and promised to meet with Charlie.
And that was your dad.
And he's paying the consequences of that.
And on top of that, the donors were targeted.
They pulled all their funds.
It makes me furious at your government, one, but two, it also makes me really upset at the pastors who aren't willing to say, I don't care if I go to jail.
Like Charlie, these people declined a meeting with Charlie, and he gave his entire life.
Everything that he had to offer, he sacrificed, quite literally, to the point of death.
And these pastors can't even be brave enough to go to a meeting because they're afraid of losing their congregation and their paycheck and their comfortability.
And so honestly, they need to probably be ashamed of themselves and use this as an opportunity to repent and stand up.
And for your dad, we need to use this as an opportunity to blast this message as far as it can go.
And to the people that are watching this too, this is that Charlie was heavily invested in your dad's story.
He took that picture because he wanted to get your dad out of prison.
And he didn't even know he was in prison yet.
And so whatever it is, we want to help.
But the more your story can be out there, the better.
What is your dad facing in prison on a day-to-day basis?
To share a little bit more.
So the first three weeks, the prisoners there would have access to canteen, where they can buy underwears and blankets and extra, et cetera.
But every four days when they would have the access to canteen, the prosecutors and police, they called my father in for a questioning.
So he would have worn, he warned the, he wore the underwears that the previous inmate from that cell will be wearing.
So when I was imagining that, you know, my father, he's coming from a very, you know, the bottom, you know, poor life, but hygiene is one of, you know, one of the things that he really cared about.
But him going through that and many, many, you know, binding him, binding my father in ropes, things like that, and delaying the legal process have been very hard for my family.
But I know God has allowed this time and this environment for a reason.
So yeah.
And he's in a cell that's only a five meter square, so very small by himself.
And yeah, very cold.
He has, there's a barely heating system there.
So they have to put warm water in a PET bottle and he has to, you know, put that between the arms to keep himself a little warmer and sleep through that.
So a lot of prayers needed.
So Is this a big news story in Korea or how much does attention does it get in the wider yeah?
So a lot of Christians are raising their voices and we are furious, not only us, but just like how America has been doing under the Biden administration, the current regime has taken over media, especially the legacy media and state-controlled media as well, education and church as well, silencing pastors.
So not enough of coverage are getting over.
Do you want to add something?
And Korea legacy media, they are talking about my father as far right, far right.
I heard that one before.
Yeah, and personally, personally, we are receiving lots of messages from mega-church pastors and lots of pastors from South Korea, but they are not speaking up, speaking out publicly.
They're hesitant.
Yes.
Personally, we are getting lots of supporting messages.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
I'm just.
Do you get the Gospel of Matthew, the whited sepulchres?
You know, righteous on the outside, but like rotten within.
It's hugely upsetting.
You're a pastor and you sympathize in private, but you won't say anything publicly.
What is the point of being a pastor?
Why do you even exist?
Yeah, there are a lot of elders and pastors in Korea that have been reaching out to us and also messaging us.
But what they say is, there are 40% or 30% that are voting for the Democrats.
So we can't and we're not able to speak out for your father.
So we've been praying for you, but not publicly that we can do, that we are not able to do anything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, for you guys, have you faced any backlash, criticism?
Has your family been targeted at all?
Your children, your wife?
What have you guys faced?
And also, do you have people receive your message better here in America or in Korea?
A lot better in America because I feel like this is no, this is really sad and in a way funny because there are a lot of Christians supporting my family and my father as well and segregate church.
But I feel like Americans are speaking out even louder than Koreans and Christian Christians in Korea.
Actually, lots of Koreans are threatened by current government.
So I can understand why they are hesitant to supporting us, to support us publicly.
And we are actually being mocked a lot on social media and news articles saying my father is far-right extremist.
And also when Charlie visited to attend the event, the legacy media and the state-controlled media framed Charlie as the far-right extremist.
And what I even said on social media is he's the one who has been welcoming debate and free speech.
So even if the Democrats want to say things against Charlie or us, it's okay because as long as you have logic, which they don't have a lot of times, they've been like that.
And ever since COVID lockdown, my father, the Sega Church, our family has been mocked.
And we've been threatened, of course.
But we're getting used to it.
And thank God we have been blocking a lot of the noises.
Good.
Yeah.
Yeah, rejoice in your sufferings.
But I'm so sorry you guys are having to go through this.
And just know that we're invested in the story because Charlie was invested in the story.
Even remember, we were walking up to the convention center, and this reporter ran up to him.
Do you remember this, Blake?
I don't, unfortunately.
And she was like, Charlie, what do you have to say about President Trump saying that Korea needs to not arrest pastors?
And he was like, just don't arrest pastors.
It's not that difficult.
And it's like, it really is that simple.
And like, everybody's like, no, you cannot talk to the media.
You can't talk.
And Charlie is like, I left him with one sentence.
And like, that's all they deserve.
They deserve one sentence.
Like, you guys are so ridiculous.
Stop arresting pastors.
And this is a place where we should have leverage.
There are 30,000 U.S. troops in Korea.
We spend billions of dollars to secure that country's independence from the North, from China.
And I feel it would be reasonable for us to say, you know, in addition, you know, we have our trade disputes or whatever, but I think it's reasonable to say if we're going to have 30,000 troops there, don't arrest pastors.
Thanks.
Well, I don't even think you guys love MacArthur.
Of course.
People respect it.
Yeah, that's where they built, I think, the monument to when they were memorializing Charlie after what happened.
I think they did where that statue is in Incheon.
Incheon.
And your dad's church is in Busan.
In Busan, yes.
Okay, got it.
So we stopped.
Charlie wanted to see the MacArthur statue.
But you talk to any Korean there, and there's a deep sense of gratitude for America.
And so I like this is where Americans can come in and leverage that gratitude that Koreans have because it only goes so far.
You start arresting pastors and you start betraying the values that connect us.
I don't really foresee us being friends, neighbors, or allies.
And also, we have 30,000 troops there.
And the least you guys could do.
One thing I found very moving: I went to, they have a museum and memorial to the Korean War, and they have, much like our Vietnam memorial has all the names of the soldiers who died in Vietnam, they have that and they have it for all the Korean soldiers who died, but also for all of the American soldiers who died and any other countries that fought as part of that coalition.
Yeah, I actually think I want to ask you about this too, because I think it's even scarier that this is like step one for Korea and the Korean government is like, oh, arrest the pastors that say that 30% of your hiring load in the government should be gay.
Like, let's do that.
Let's arrest them.
But you're seeing people get elected in Korea right now who are North Korea sympathizers.
And they want to see a unified Korea.
That's what they call it, right?
Unified Korea, Blake.
Oh, I think all Koreans want to unify Korea.
By whom?
Yeah, by whom, exactly.
But I think this is super dangerous for you guys, the trajectory you're on.
And I think that America could definitely leverage the power and influence that we have in that country.
Sorry, what was it?
Do you want to read that?
Do you want to mention?
And one more thing.
The current leader of the Democratic Party, Chong Lae Zhong, he is a pro-terrorist, anti-American socialist who set fire to the U.S. embassy when he was young.
Literally.
He was convicted.
80s and 90s.
He was socialist, and he's still socialist and communist.
He brought receipts.
So, funny thing about, you know, so as Mikey said, we, Koreans in general, we are deeply, deeply, you know, thankful for America.
Yeah.
Going back 140 years ago, American missionaries came to Korea to, you know, basically put faith, you know, rooted Korea.
And if you go to the cemetery in Yanghajin, the missionary cemetery, there are 65 infant graves because of the poor medical care.
And also, you know, the environment was so bad.
So shortly after their birth, they have passed away.
And I believe that that's the heart of America.
So we are so thankful.
And 36,000 American soldiers have died during the Korean War.
And we are so thankful.
But because of General MacArthur, communism, communists from China, North Korea, and Soviet Union, they weren't able to take over the Korean Peninsula.
They pushed all the way down to Busan, which is very south city of where we're from.
And thanks to American soldiers, we were able to secure freedom, get liberated.
So for the Democrats, this is kind of different to the political atmosphere compared to the U.S.
But for the communist pro-China Democrats, America is the one that took away their country, their communism, communist-to-be country.
So that's why they've been protesting against the U.S. and the free countries.
Yeah, 100%.
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Let's do a couple of questions.
Okay, let's go for it.
No, what were you going to say, Blake?
No, I was just making sure.
Are we okay on that one?
Yeah, I think we're going to see this delayed.
Let's open up to some questions.
All right.
And then, yeah, if you guys have any, just raise your hand.
Oh, yeah.
They're going to have a part of this.
I totally forgot about it.
I'm going to share that one.
And we're going to put up a QR code to help get involved for your dad.
And it's the petition for his release.
Thank you.
Yeah, we're going to make sure we're amazing.
Support you guys.
Of course.
Thank you so much.
All right.
I was just wondering if there are any warning signs that came to South Korea that you're seeing now in America that you would want us to be a bulwark against and like stuff you would point out to say like, hey, you need to pay attention to that and fight back against it early before you end up like closer to where we are.
Yeah.
So I can't even imagine what if Kamala Harris won the election this year, last year.
And the reason I want to share my father's story and what's happening in South Korea, this might, if not, it will come to the U.S.
And this is not about just my father, just one person, but just for us to realize what's at stake.
And just, you know, just like how Charlie and Mikey have been advocating that we should be raising our voices and we should talk about politics because it has been and it will be, it will always affect our lives and our children as well.
So we should get involved.
Yep.
All right.
My question, I got two of them real quick.
First off, as far as South Korea turning towards more socialism, communism, all we see in the United States is Seoul.
And that's just like watching New York, Chicago, LA, any big city.
And it looks like it's a prosperous, fully functioning country.
What is the economics in the South Korea itself to make people want to go towards the thing that they just fought a war back in the 1950s to save them from?
And then two, what is what it what is how does the Korean society see the male figure?
Like here, if you're a white male, you're pon scum.
Basically, I mean, that's how that's how society looks at the white male.
Okay.
Is that similar to in Korea, where they're making men feel inferior and raising the women so up, you gotta basically worship them?
If you want to answer the second question first, second question first?
Second thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go ahead, go ahead.
All right.
So the first one, so the first one wasn't really a question, was it?
I mean, it was.
What is the economic climate in the entire peninsula that's making the younger generation go towards socialism communism?
We just fought a war.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it was definitely a question.
Sorry.
I'm not a native speaker.
Yeah, so education.
For the last few decades, the leftists have been very successful manipulating the education.
So for example, we should be aware of the foundation of how Republic of Korea was established.
And they manipulate that it wasn't the establishment of 1948.
Instead, they say it's 1919.
And they don't teach about how, you know, they don't really teach about Christianity right now, even in public schools.
Although Christianity, by number, is the most, you know, the most populated religion in Korea is Christianity.
And they even call Christianity with different weird name.
We call them.
So what we call them usually is kidokyo in Korean, but on the textbook it says which is like a Christ religion, which is not.
So they've been basically in control of the textbook, public education, and no freedom in education.
So no pentor rights, no parental rights, what education are there that kids will be educated on.
So basically that.
And second question?
And second one is, as you see, we are not white.
But in South Korea, all we are yellow, yellow, yellow?
No, Asian, Asian.
Sorry, okay, sorry.
English is not my native language.
Definitely not for my brother either.
Yeah, yeah.
Asian.
But there is men and women.
And in South Korea, feminism is prevalent.
Feminism.
For instance, even in the church, lots of young women Christians, they are feminists.
And if they go to college and university, then they become feminist.
And South Korea, who goes to university ratio, is the highest in the world.
About 80%.
it means 80 to 90% of women, almost all of them go to university.
And they are brainwashed.
Could you tell them about the 4B movement?
Ah, yeah, that Charlie mentioned at the event.
4B is do not birth and do not get birth and do not get married.
I think it's do not date, do not marry, do not have sex, do not have children.
Right, right, right.
Super radical feminists.
Yeah, that's basically the same thing.
And that is prevalent, even in the church.
That's why the birth rate is so low.
And just like how you said, woman up there, how we should bow down to the woman.
I mean, we are equal, but in America, we have, we'll talk about the sex divide, the gender divide, that women in America vote significantly more to the left than men do.
And I think America has a pretty large gap compared to the world, but I think Korea is one of the only countries that has an even larger one.
Yes.
I think America, if I'm not wrong, I think it's like 80% for the woman.
There was a specific story that I think 87% of young women voted for Mamdani in the New York mayor race.
More generally, I think young, what they'll highlight is young unmarried women in America will be like 75% on the left, 25% on the right.
Yeah, Erica actually made that.
So they would often say how kind of the black, in the black community, the government replaced fathers in the home in terms of what they could provide for families.
And so now you kind of look at how it shifted.
And Erica literally was the first one to point this out.
And I was like, wait, that's kind of mind-blowing.
How the government has now replaced husbands for a lot of women.
And so this actually, there was something under Obama where he had this ad.
The Life of Julia, I think.
Yes.
I don't know if you guys have seen this.
It's literally an ad called The Life of Julia.
And it shows this woman progressing throughout her life and how the government aids her throughout her entire life.
This was an ad campaign for Obama in 2012 for his re-election.
2012.
Wow.
And people, she's born.
The government is giving these programs for her mom.
And then now she's in high school.
Here's the free birth control they're giving her.
And why the hell?
Yeah, no, Back then, when that happened, people were like, this is insane.
And then now we're like, oh, 83% are voting for Mamdani.
Okay.
Like, life with Julia is now a thing.
That's really scary to hear.
Any other questions, guys?
Oh, right there.
Hi, guys.
My name is Monica, and I just want to say it's so amazing that you guys came here.
And your story is so, you're so bold and so courageous.
And unfortunately, a lot of the young Christians that I know think the extent of being bold is like posting on their social media story and the persecution is losing followers.
But I just wanted to say I just coughed.
I mean, I was just wondering if you have any practical advice for young Christians for what you guys have obviously lived out for how to be bold in real life.
Yeah, I mean, we are going through persecution, but as Christians, I feel like although you're not going this kind of persecution, we should have, you know, we should have empathy for our brothers and sisters in Christ.
And also, as Christians, we are obligated to speak out what God wants us to speak out about.
The biblical truth.
They will never change.
And stick to that.
And if you do, I think your view on how you're going to live your life, what your calling is, what your mission is in this temporary life that's going to end really quick, I think it's going to change if you really, really believe that.
And that has been my personal testimony since COVID lockdown, looking at my father.
Before that, I wasn't one of the, you know, the faithful kids, but my father being persecuted for, you know, worshiping God, he was so lonely.
Even among Christians, he was mocked.
He said, Why don't you love your neighbors?
Why don't you just worship God online in pajamas?
They didn't make any sense to me.
And ever since then, I changed my way of viewing things, discerning things.
Of course, I like a lot, but I go back to the Bible, I go back to what God has told us to do, God told us through scripture, and that has changed my life.
And I really hope we change.
We reborn in Christ.
That's amazing.
Anyone else?
We have a few.
One more.
One more if anyone's got one.
Yeah, I see one right there.
We have a bit of time because our last one is delayed.
Praise the Lord.
So my name is Kaylin, and I was just wondering, well, first of all, thank you for sharing your story here.
But also, you kind of were talking about, you know, the warning to America.
And I just want to know from an outsider's perspective, I think, I just want to know what your thoughts are on America as a whole.
Because I think so often in America, there's this like infighting of like us not being a good country, and you know that we need to, you know, make people leave and I'm talking more from the left side is that you know we're this horrendous country and that we just need to like let everyone in, but from an outsider's perspective.
I just wanted to know kind of how you guys see America like.
Are we a beacon of light in any capacity, I guess I mean.
So I went to school in Seattle for high school, in college, and you know that's a blue state, of course, and I was almost forced to think that America is a bad country.
And you might think that if you were in Seattle, I mean I was manipulated, I was brain, I was getting brainwashed, but thank God I have faith and I had my brother and my family and simply that's a lie.
Of course America is not perfect.
I'm not perfect, no one's perfect right and we might, or America could, make some mistakes.
Of course it's not perfect because it's not God, you know.
But that's a lie, just like how there has been a misconception of separation between church and state.
There's a lie.
That's a lie that America is bad.
You know.
Think of the good side, how America, you know there, 140 years ago, as I said earlier, American missionaries basically changed.
So when you look at the, when you look at the Korean Peninsula at night, you can google it there's a light in south Korea, all over the country, and north Korea, none except one city Pyongyang, where the Rocket Man lives, Rocket Man that president Trump calls yeah so yeah so, please don't get manipulated and um, be courageous and be thankful that you're American, because you know free speech, freedom.
religious freedom, being able to say what you want and not get in prison for that.
It's a blessing.
It is blessing don't take it for granted and you guys are doing great.
I think I think there were no America then.
The whole world was already communism.
Communism, I think.
Amen, I mean.
Yes, thank you so much.
Well, thank you guys so much for being here.
Right before we close, can you tell us how we can be be praying specifically for both you guys and for your dad?
Yeah so Mike, you mentioned about the petition and I think we're gonna have the QR code up that is to raise awareness in America what could happen in the US and for us.
Please pray for our courage to keep fighting this fight because we believe and we know that God has already won the battle.
But we have to be faithful just to fight, so for not only our family but Christians in Korea to believe that and if you believe that you will act upon it, so for us to be courageous and to for god's kingdom, not the government, and we are, we are, we have lots of hope.
Actually, we are hope, hopeful because everything is done, everything is allowed by god.
God is the uh, god is the lord of everything and uh, I think god is awakening, waking up South Korea, Korean church and even I, I think, American now uh so uh don't, we don't, don't, worry everybody and god is working.
Yeah, praise the lord hey hallelujah, thank you guys.