An Immigration Moratorium? + Bombshell Info on the Mar-A-Lago Raid
It's one day to the largest AmericaFest in history, but the show is still hard at work. The team reacts to a bombshell new FBI document revealing the shaky basis for the Mar-a-Lago raid three years ago and a possible invasion of Venezuela. Steve Deace joins to discuss the divisions within the American right and why a nationwide immigration moratorium could be the key to healing the nation's wounds. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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It is Amfest Week, and it's Amfest 24 hours, basically.
Yeah, we start tomorrow, tomorrow evening.
Probably going to do the show here from the studio tomorrow.
I think I said that wrong earlier in the week.
So it's doing the show here from the studio.
Then we'll head on over to the convention center.
Friday, we're going to be doing the show live from the convention center.
You know, that's going to actually be a really bittersweet moment for me because we've done the Charlie Kirk show live from our events countless times.
And the Real America's voice team is going to be, we're going to be at that set.
It's going to be good.
But without Charlie, it's going to be a really, I think, just a tough moment.
And, but, you know, we're going to do it and it's going to be great.
And we're grateful to our Real America's voice team for helping with the production there.
And then, and the whole media row is just like stacked.
Oh.
It's, you know, stack, stack, stacked.
Everything's stacked.
It's going to be all the peoples are going to be there.
And I hope the convention center.
You know, I'm actually, I'm actually, yeah, well, I'm actually in a point where like, I feel like, you know, we've got to get through this last little push.
And it's going to be, I mean, this is like the Super Bowl for turning point.
And then I'm really, this year, I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays.
I hope.
I pray.
I hope.
You know, I want to just like hang out with my kids.
And so, anyways, hopefully we have a really big last finale to the year and then we get to enjoy our family and have some rest.
So it's going to be, it's going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal time.
And I hope you guys will either check it right, check it out on Real America's Voice or stream it on Rumble if you can't get tickets.
And I wish I could just say, hey, you could still get tickets, which is usually the line.
But this year is a little different because we maxed out the space that the convention center could give us.
So we had to adjust and turn off the ticketing.
But if you go to amfest.com and you want to get tickets, you can get a discounted ticket for next year.
So that's kind of the workaround, the best we could do this year.
So Amfest starting up tomorrow night.
You're not going to want to miss it.
There's a lot of news here.
We're going to have Steve Dace, who's just a great friend, become a good friend.
He was a good friend with Charlie before.
He's become a good friend of mine.
He is going to be joining us for the second half of this hour.
And he's in town for Amfest, but he's got a show, so we're going to do it remote.
Let's talk about saving the West.
Yes.
It needs much saving.
It needs much saving.
I'm just checking now.
They're still searching for that Brown University shooter who may have targeted that conservative student.
I want to get her name right.
Ella Cook.
Ella Cook, yes.
And they're still looking for him.
They have enhanced footage.
There's been rumors that it's a specific person.
I don't want to name him because the police have not named him.
Yeah, it's all over the socials.
Yes.
And the person has a he-they.
Yeah, but we don't know who he is.
We don't know, so we shouldn't say more.
We're holding back.
You know, so, anyways, that's a terrible story.
There's a blockade going on in Venezuela.
There's a massive story from James Chuck Grassley about the FBI Mar-a-Lago raid.
Is that first?
That's putting in something that Charlie cared a lot about, and it's that Chuck Grassley, the House team, they've uncovered more documents related to that raid, which, gosh, that was three years ago, wasn't it?
Over three years ago.
That feels crazy to me.
I remember the day that happened, but it was internal documents from the FBI as they're debating whether due to this raid on Mar-a-Lago.
To remind everyone, they all went there to find classified materials.
They allegedly found them.
Whether anything in there was really that important is up for debate.
And of course, the president also has the power to declassify things with his mind.
So it was quite the bizarre case.
And now we just have documents from the White House, from the Washington field office.
You got to remember this post image, though, Blake.
You remember this where they laid them all out with the top secret cover sheets on them?
But turns out they put the cover sheets on.
It wasn't like they were filed away.
And then we have the image, if you guys weren't sure.
It was very silly.
But it wasn't like they found those files with the top secret cover sheets on them.
Yeah.
But yeah, so this is the line.
It's from Assistant Special Agent in Charge, and they just write, very little has been developed related to who might be culpable for mishandling documents.
From the interviews, Washington Field Office has gathered information suggesting there may be additional boxes.
But there is some concern that this information is single source, has not been corroborated, and may be dated.
And they basically say there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a probable cause standard.
Which is wild.
So there was doubt.
Let's sum this up.
They're considering raiding a president's home, a former president's home of the United States.
I'm pretty sure that it hasn't been done before.
Yeah.
They cross a Rubicon in American political life that we've thus far managed to not emulate the third world on.
They do it, even though there is a massive discussion and debate about probable cause.
Do they have the probable cause to do so?
Absent a witness coming forward with recent information about classified on site.
At what point is it fair to table this?
It is time-consuming for the team and not productive if there are no new facts supporting probable cause.
And then it says, this feels like a sentence weighted with a lot of meaning.
DOJ has opined that they do have probable cause, requesting a wide scope, including residence, office, and storage space.
Yeah, I mean, this is a, you know, again, Chuck Grassley.
He's such a funny tweeter, by the way.
The words he's a funny, he's a funny tweeter.
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Mar-a-Lago raid was a miscarriage of justice.
Read for yourself.
And we have the image of the document that he was delivered.
But I mean, this is, I mean, this is shocking stuff.
Like, this shows the level of animus that existed within the Biden DOJ for President Trump.
The question that I have, where my mind goes, is how coordinated was this?
How far does the conspiracy reach?
Who is involved in it?
Who was advising this?
Yeah, well, we say conspiracy, but we have, you know, they all said our own point of view is that the president can order DOJ to investigate something.
Yeah.
But if his own FBI is saying we don't have probable cause, that's a bombshell.
For sure, for sure.
That's a bombshell.
You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way, because he's at 999,000 X follows.
He needs 900 to get him over the top.
Get 900 to get over the top.
Yeah, we're going to get that.
He's probably like that.
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I just looked.
He has 1,000 followers for every year he's been in the Senate.
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We also have this Venezuelan blockade.
I want to at least prime the pump here.
Yeah, yeah.
We have a new statement from President Trump on Venezuela.
This has been building for weeks.
I think we've been at 10 different points where I thought, are we going to invade Venezuela tomorrow?
But it keeps ratcheting up.
And what the president announced yesterday is he says the largest armada in history, in the history of South America, is surrounding Venezuela now.
He says he's designated the Venezuelan government a terrorist organization.
And he says they're doing a total blockade on oil tankers going in or out of Venezuela.
That is noteworthy because historically, a blockade is conventionally considered an act of war.
So it's definitely not as it's not kinetic, like dropping.
It's not, it's not.
This will get brought up a lot because we, of course, blockaded Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And that was a step.
They had to call it a quarantine instead of a blockade so they could say that it wasn't going to do that.
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So Venezuela, I want to play this Clip of Senator Fetterman because this, the drug boats thing is, it's like it.
I can't explain it, but the Democrats think this is like a political winner and I I love that they're picking this because massively popular to take out narco-terrorists that are trying to deliver poison onto our shores.
It is happening.
And finally there's a Democrat, Senator Fetterman, who says, listen, the briefing we got yesterday from Rubio and Hegseth was amazing.
235 this idea, some things out in the media.
It's kind of putting out this that that the military is just picking off you know any boat that comes across.
That that's just not true.
I mean, there's extensive intelligence and they know exactly who's on that boat and they know what's actually on that boat right now and it's quite frequently they they decline to take it and to move on those things.
When they move on those kinetic kinds of strikes, you know they have absolute confidence that who's on it and what's on it and and that's exactly what it's about they're not just going around randomly just shooting, shooting boats and those things.
That's just not the fact.
You really find yourself wondering how many boats there must there are, because otherwise it seems like they would stop because no one wants to just commit suicide.
Yeah, in that same interview he, he did say that the majority of the actions that are being taken are just boat interdictions, where they actually grab them onshore.
They, i'm sure, i'm sure they process them, seize the drugs, all that sort of thing.
So to your point though, we didn't read the true social yet, did we?
We didn't read the whole thing yeah, but it's like somewhat long.
It's interesting because he says he he, so this is president Trump's true social 221, throw it up.
But he says Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in The history of South America.
It will only get bigger and the shock to them will take not uh, will be like nothing they have ever seen before.
So he's basically, you're right, he's kind of employing almost like a medieval surround the castle, block the resources going in and out.
Until such time as they return to the United States of America, all the oil, land, and other assets that they previously stole from us.
I don't think he means literal territory.
I think it's land that U.S. companies own.
It was probably like ExxonMobil.
Hugo Chavez, he nationalized a lot of things with socialism and all of that.
So they owned a lot of oil land that they were able to extract the oil, and that's typically how these things work.
And it was nationalized.
It was stolen from American companies and they're you, he said he alleges, which I think is provably true.
The Uh Maduro regime is using oil from these stolen oil fields to finance themselves, drug terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping for the theft of our assets and for many other reasons, including terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficking yeah, he says.
Therefore, I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers.
Okay, so the question is, will this be?
I think bombing the drug boats has been a win so far and it'll remain that way.
As long as they don't blow up the wrong boat, then it's very bad, but does it remain a win if we end up?
How high can this go?
I think President Trump seems to believe he could probably topple Venezuela quite easily.
And I think it would be easier than Afghanistan or Iraq would be because I don't think you'd have...
it's not this ideological thing where you have this.
It's also a Navy, you know, sea fleet, right, that is blocking, and they, you know, Venezuela doesn't have a way to counter us in that way.
There's nobody in the country.
Well, yeah, but the same thing with those other countries.
We still ended up occupying them and having thousands of people.
Yeah, I don't think that's where we're going.
I think he's going to basically choke the finances of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to flee and get out of there so that somebody else can.
Yeah, listen, I have to say, as against foreign invasions and foreign abstractions and military operations, you know, we talked about this with Michael Knowles.
There is going to be more patience with the base to do this, right?
And I'll explain why.
First of all, there's been these Venezuelan gangs.
You know, Aurora, Colorado story lives in the memory of American citizens.
This is one of the reasons President Trump won election.
These Venezuelan gangs are being funded, propped up, or at least, you know, tacitly blessed by the Maduro regime to cause chaos in our borders, okay?
And by the mere fact that these drug boats continue setting off for the United States.
Do we know that?
Do we know that they?
I know they say it a lot.
What?
Which part?
Like that they're signing off on gangs doing stuff.
I think Venezuela is just a crappy country.
And so a lot of Venezuelan gangsters come here.
I think that that's essentially how Maduro keeps control, is what I've read, is that he has sort of these handshake, wink-wink agreements with the street gangs, and they do his bidding and they go where he wants.
I feel like the best outcome we could have is they flee or get toppled.
We get a, you know, the El Salvador guy.
Sure.
Bukele.
Bukele, Bukele.
And we get a Bukele-style government.
We send all the Venezuelan illegals back to Venezuela and they immediately send them to some Venezuelan hyper-prison that they build for all of them.
And we can pay them $5 billion here to go.
His number one export is going to is going to be like prison systems.
Like, it's great.
If you look at the polls, everyone who neighbors Venezuela, they're like, they say, we want that.
I want that in my country.
And it'll be great.
If you got rid of probably in the United States, 400,000 criminals off the streets right now, we'd have like zero crime.
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Without further ado, I'm very excited about our next guest who I'm also going to be seeing this weekend.
That's what we're trying to do here: get people that are going to be a part of our big weekend.
That's, of course, Steve Dace, host of the Steve Dace Show.
Steve, welcome back to the show, my friend.
Good to see you guys.
God bless.
Merry Christmas.
Yeah, Merry Christmas.
Excited to see you.
Lots going on this weekend.
It's going to be jam-packed.
You're going to be speaking to the crowd.
Do you want to give us a little teaser of what you're thinking about talking about?
The number one thing I hope that we get out of this weekend is I've just never experienced the kind of unity And seeds of revival, like we had at Charlie's Memorial and the immediate thereafter.
And I am just hoping and praying in advance of this event that what this does is recaptures that going into the holidays.
And then we come out of the new year with that kind of focus and drive and purpose and shared missiology and momentum again.
And so everything, I mean, you guys are keeping me busy this week.
So everything that I'm going to be a part of here at the convention center in Phoenix is going to be about reinforcing that message, which is kind of weird for me.
I mean, for much of my career, I've kind of been the disruptor insurgent guy.
But, you know, Charlie convinced me in the last year plus that if we don't convince, we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed.
And so now as I get older, I am into my 50s now.
I kind of feel like I'm grandpa now and I'm trying to get everybody to stay on the same team for the first time in my career.
So I'm going to be harping on that a lot this week.
Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk quote.
And I think it was right around the memorial where he says, we must hang together or we shall surely hang separately.
Yeah.
And there really is, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve, and this isn't where we were planning to go with it, but I think it kind of all ties in with what we were planning on talking about on the show today.
You know, there is a time for bringing coalitions together.
Usually that's election years, right?
Obviously, you have to seed the ground before that happens, and you have to do the work before.
But there can be a time where you've got to sort of, there is a sifting.
There can be a sifting that happens.
And it's truly a difficult question when that time is, you know, who makes the call, who has the leadership to sort of lead the pruning and the, you know, because you've got to prune every garden.
You've got to prune every tree if it's going to grow healthy.
And there is a point where that can be.
What do you make of this?
I mean, the most famous example is the Buckley and the Birch Society, right?
In the 60s or 70s?
John Birch Society?
50s, 60s.
50s 60s?
All right.
I mean, so that's the most famous example.
But what do you make of that as a larger question?
I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has gone around the last few months.
And I have it here on my computer.
I look at it like daily and I think about it a lot.
And it's this meme where there's a giant dam and it's labeled Charlie Kirk.
And it's holding back this huge body of water, essentially craziness.
And the dam is between this crazy body of water and then how we can actually unite and win.
And I think about that a lot.
And I think people are just now seeing posthumously how much Charlie was respected in that role and precisely was thrust in that role because he did not seek it.
I mean, that's the kind of respect you can't appoint yourself an apostle.
You can't appoint yourself a bishop.
You cannot appoint yourself a leader.
And most of the people that try to do that, you know, back in the day when I was younger, we used to say, you can't gloss yourself, right?
And so the guys that typically try to do that are anything but about that life.
And typically that stuff is bestowed upon you organically by your peers.
And I just think there was a unique combination both of reverence for Charlie, respect for Charlie and his intellect, fear of Charlie's intellect and his platform, and then the fact that Juste was a good, decent human being at the same time that uniquely put him into that position.
And I think what you're seeing now is there's various elements, these various factions within our movement now, libertarians, America firster.
No, we're really America firsters, maybe America onlyers.
You know, maybe we need to have a reconsideration of our relationship with Israel.
Maybe we can have a partnership with the Islamic world.
Maybe we need to completely divorce ourselves from the Islamic world.
The leaders of these various factions now are kind of coming to a head with their platforms to fill this void.
And that has created a lot of the dissension and argumentation that you're seeing right now.
And I think what we actually really need is a real debate.
I think we need to have a real argument and in constructive ways so that people can legitimately feel as if their voices are heard.
I said in the aftermath of the interview that Tucker did with Fuentes that a lot of people got worked up about.
And I said this on my show.
I said, listen, trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy our coalition on one end.
Trying to cancel Tucker because he brings up topics you don't like and in ways that all the time, frankly, I don't even agree with will destroy it in the other end.
All right.
So there's no win here by trying to cancel either side of this various conversation.
What we really need to have are substantive debates.
And I would urge the leaders of these various factions that want to have their views reconsidered now with this void left by Charlie's murder, then I would urge them, and I would, one, try to be responsible, try to understand the collateral damage when you bring something up and disagree, and be willing to have and let the leaders of the other side and the other factions question you.
Go on one another's shows, go on one another's platforms.
You know, I know there's going to be lots of breakouts and stuff here this week at America Fest.
You know, this is really a time now that we need to come now and reason together, as the Bible says.
And that's the prophet Isaiah.
Yeah, I'm 1,000% with you.
I was on Ross Douthett's podcast and it released last week, and it was a great experience, actually.
And the reason I did it was because we had originally booked Charlie to be on Ross's show in October.
And, you know, lo and behold, he invited me to come out in December.
So I was honored to take the invitation and to do it.
And one of the things we talked about was this very thing.
And I'm a proponent of let's have the debate.
Let's have the debate.
The key is, is that in the online community, it turns into this kind of feud culture, which is not productive.
And that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid.
We've been trying to avoid it.
And I think, you know, if you can stay out of the personal mudslinging and you get into the debate, the actual merits of the ideas, that's the sweet spot.
You should not be afraid of that.
The feud culture, the mudslinging, the personal animus, that stuff can be really, really distracting.
And by the way, it's really seductive as well.
The feud slinging and also just what they choose to focus on, you know, since you mentioned Fuentes and others, but that one of Charlie's best things is he really was almost entirely focused on very practical politics.
So he was always talking about the next race, not even the big elections, but those off-year elections.
He would have been really hammering the Virginia and New Jersey races.
And that's why we tried to do the same.
Or even Wisconsin Supreme Court election, Tennessee by-election.
He'd get whipped up for these things, and he'd fixate on what could Congress be doing right now?
What could the president be doing right now that will have an impact on the border, on your individual life?
And when he wasn't talking about politics, he was talking about that individual life stuff.
You should be going to church.
You should be, you know, observe the Sabbath if you can.
Do those things.
And I do worry that a lot of what's happened with the weirder stuff that's come into the right, you know, arguing over, I mean, let's be frank.
A lot of the stuff, the debate about Israel, for a lot of them, they really actually just want to hate on Jewish people.
And besides the fact that I consider that generally morally wrong, it's also a huge distraction from everything.
And it occurred to me that there was this big cancel battle going on in late October of this year, right before important elections.
And there were a lot of people who weren't talking about that.
They were talking about whether it was okay to attack world Jewry or not.
Yeah.
Well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this to you.
Charlie always had this guiding North Star, I think, that kept him very clear-minded about what was important, what wasn't, and that was save the West.
Save America, save the West.
And you postulate that there's really only two ways we do that.
What are those, Steve?
I think one comes from above, Providence, and that's mass revival.
When you see that 2% of France, less than 2% is evangelical, you see many of the old Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe.
We're beyond just rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to that level of spiritual degradation.
So we need mass great awakening-level revival.
It's not a coincidence that we had great awakenings before we had, you know, we had liberty in America.
We had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan Edwards and others.
So what can we do in the practicum?
Because that comes from above.
And in the practicum, I think we're doomed without a flat-out, all-out immigration moratorium.
And I might even extend it.
Hold on.
Yeah, say it again so they can hear you in the back, Steve.
Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all-out immigration moratorium at least five years.
I'd say a decade.
Something along the lines of my good friend Congressman Chip Roy is proposing right now with the PAWS Act.
But I'd make it even more draconian.
And I hate saying this, guys.
I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism.
You know it.
I like thumping my Bible, man.
I love it.
Okay.
But I'm not even sure how many Christian asylum cases we can take because a lot of them are going to come from countries that are dominated by Islam.
So how do we know?
How do we vet?
How do we know?
Because our current, whatever the vetting system was around here for the last 20 plus years, sucked.
All right.
Since 9-11, we've taken in over 3 million people from Islamic-dominated countries.
That is absolute cultural suicide.
And I think we've got to stop it.
Yeah, and Steve, how many kids did they have?
So we took in 3 million, but are they having 4.7 children each, each couple there?
So is that really closer to 15 million now?
And you see what happened in Bondi Beach.
I mean, the West is sleepwalking into cultural suicide.
And there's many of us that are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and down, saying, please wake up.
Charlie was big on this.
And there seems to be a faction within our own ranks that is, I don't know, cozying up to this idea that we can be friends with Islamists that move into our own country.
There are 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world.
There's lots of options.
You don't need to have a move to the West.
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But yeah, this is my question when the West is insistent upon importing third worlders.
By the way, Trump just expanded his travel restrictions, an additional 20 countries, and the Palestinian Authority, doubling the number of nations affected by sweeping limits announced earlier.
Absolute travel ban.
That's a very, I mean, this is, you know, I'm totally okay with it.
I think, to your point, Draconian, he's getting more serious about it.
And by the way, when I talk to any of my friends that are connected to the administration, I just say, that is a popular policy.
Please know we got your back.
If there's one thing that is uniting right-wing political online culture with political culture, it's immigration.
So that's a good thing.
100%.
I mean, look at the Prime Minister of Australia, not our hemisphere, but obviously it's a country that's founding is mired in Western values and philosophies.
Right after what happened there, his immediate call was for more common sense gun control.
And no one can rise above their own worldview.
Worldview is destiny, or as the Bible says, as a man thinketh, so is he.
Right?
And so if your worldview in response, you should be tempted to go so far the other way that we do have to say, hey, slow down.
Let's not just go ahead and mass, you know, collectively guilt people because of what happened here.
Instead, the temptation is to double down on the very policies that lead to more and more of these tragedies.
And when you're dealing with something like that, that to me is, again, immigration moratorium.
We clearly cannot think this through right now.
We need a full stop right now.
And, Steve, the only way you get that is with a filibuster.
But even if you did a filibuster, if you nuke the filibuster, who knows?
All right.
So, Steve, if you're calling for an immigration moratorium, I am totally on board.
I would do it for at least a decade, but I'll take what I can get.
The question then becomes, how do you achieve that political end, right?
You're seeing today that four Republicans have broke in the House for Obamacare subsidies.
That is a very clear indication that we do not have control of the people.
Yeah, we have a bunch of Democrat lights in the House and probably in the Senate.
You think Susan Collins, you think Lisa Murkowski, you think Rand Paul, you think who else?
You got Mitch McConnell still in there.
Even if we nuke the filibuster, you'd have to presume two things.
One, that we have enough votes to do so.
And secondly, that once we do so, we'd have enough political will to accomplish the truly important critical pieces that will save America.
And I don't think we have either.
That's exactly why we need to try to do it, though, so our people can see.
Remember, the Dred Scott case is considered to be one of the key components that led to the end of slavery in America.
We lost that case.
But people got to see the U.S. Supreme Court look at a black man and say, that's not a person, it's property.
And that clarifying, that clarifier ignited the abolitionist movement in the next era to do what must be done to win.
And so I think we need to try these things, even if they fail, to spur on our people so that what comes after Trump then is even more zealous for the kinds of things we're talking about now that they fully know who and what it truly is that we are aligned with.
Interesting.
You might have just convinced me.
I've been really wavering on this.
I think, Blake, Blake, you're probably a little bit on the other side of that argument.
And I've just been, admittedly, I've been in the mushy middle because I could see it going, like, I'm gaming it out, how we could do this.
And I don't.
But you might have convinced me.
Yeah, it's just tough.
It's tough.
We don't have the soldiers in the field right now.
There's a line in science that science progresses one funeral at a time.
And I feel like Republican courage progresses one retirement at a time.
Yeah, we just had another retirement announced in Washington State.
Okay, so we want to get immigration done.
We would all go in favor of an immigration moratorium.
How many votes?
So let's set the filibuster, nuking the filibuster aside.
Let's assume that we can do that.
Let's assume we get 50 plus one.
What happens next?
How many U.S. senators would vote for an immigration moratorium right now as it stands?
I don't think there's any chance it would pass.
But I think our people need to see this.
Do you think we get 10?
I bet you get 20 or 25 because now their votes on the record.
And you have to understand the way the Republican Party establishment works is an incumbency protection racket, right?
So they don't want a lot of these things to even come up for a vote because they don't want the base to know just truly how weak a lot of the people they're voting for really are.
And so this kind of clarifier, you're going to get the people that were never with us, they're going to get more emboldened to be so.
Then you're going to get some squishy people who don't want to be known that they're on the wrong side of history here that would like to keep collecting those pension points there in Washington, D.C.
So I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican senators to vote for it.
It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of what happened with Obamacare, for example, where the Republicans would endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare because they knew it was not going to pass.
So what would you have in our Senate?
How many of them would vote for the full immigration moratorium as long as they had ironclad confidence it was not actually going to pass?
And then if it seemed, oh, we have 58 Republican senators, we could conceivably pass it.
Suddenly everyone gets shaky.
There's problems with it.
You have the ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say, oh, I'm actually going to vote with the Dems on this one.
So, well, and here's the thing.
You could do a net zero immigration moratorium, right?
So the estimates are around 200,000 to 300,000 people, U.S. citizens and immigrants, foreign-born residents, leave the United States every year, 200,000 to 300,000.
So it's not like you're not allowing some movement of humanity, right?
You can bring in a new H-1B if you sponsor, if you get somebody else to leave.
And you have to pay $150,000.
I'm just picturing like a tech company, maybe Microsoft or something, and they find refugees and they just say, we'll pay you $50,000 to leave.
We'll resettle you in this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something.
Have a nice little microphone.
They're dumping people there so they can bring in tech workers.
Trump can't stand up on a Joker right now.
He can stand up like the Joker, break the Q-stick in half and say, we're going to have tryouts.
All right.
And so you've got to get somebody to leave before you can come in.
And we'll do it in an octagon.
It's going to be peaceful at the White House.
Yeah, I mean, listen, but I actually think some of these ideas, so a lot of people look, okay, okay.
Trump gold card, right?
The Trump card or whatever, $5 million.
People, you know, I posted something on X and people were like, something about how a piece of paper doesn't make you an American.
And they're like, yeah, we agree.
What about the Trump card?
It's like, okay, we have to have some pragmatism in here.
We have to look at, you know, for example, I'm against H-1Bs, but I'm pro genius visas.
So why can't we have more geniuses moving on?
Well, at this point, I often just look at what China does because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves, even if they're ideologically very different.
And China has immigrants.
They just have very few.
They find a world-class expert in something and they say, come here, we'll pay you $1 million a year, $2 million a year, and you have to teach these native Chinese everything you know.
Yeah.
Imagine that.
If you look at the H-1B program, guys, right now, there's about as many H-1B visas in America as there are college-educated people in the unemployment rhyme.
And so we keep being told that Americans cannot do these jobs.
So let me repeat that.
There's about as many college-degreed people in the unemployment line in America right now as we have H-1B visas.
I mean, if we're graduating from college and you cannot even do baseline H-1B visa work, then I think we should seriously consider why we even have colleges and universities in the first place.
Other than learning how to become a gay race communist, what are they doing there?
Well, you know, it kind of, I hate to, I mean, that's a funny line, and I want to enjoy the moment.
But for some reason, it made me think of poor Ella Cook at Brown University.
You know, the radical environment that she was living around.
And we're waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted.
But I'm going to be honest, like, it's hitting me like, you know, the story didn't hit me as hard at first.
It felt sad and sympathy, and I said a prayer for her and her family.
But as the days go on and I sit with this, it's hitting me hard.
I'm like, I'm having, you know, it's hitting closer to home because I think what happened to Charlie and it just is breaking my heart.
And, you know, these universities, they had a lot of federal funding.
They get a lot of prop, they propped up, and they're, you know, you're indoctrinating your children.
You're playing Russian roulette with their values.
Steve Dace, we are going to see you this weekend, my friend.