Charlie Kirk: The Real-Life, Modern-Day George Bailey
"It's a Wonderful Life" is an all-time Christmas classic. But Hillsdale fellow and film buff Titus Techera says the saga of George Bailey has a compelling modern-day analogue: None other than Charlie Kirk. Techera explains his reasoning, plus the team reacts to a busted left-wing terror plot in Los Angeles and legal expert Viva Frei distinguishes what theories related to Charlie's death are reasonable versus unreasonable. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Getting a lot of emails about Gary Milton's segment.
So that's a good sign.
We're going to keep doing that and keep injecting truth.
And hopefully to help us do that in this segment is Viva Frye.
He is a former litigator, former Canadian.
I don't know if he still counts himself as such, but Viva, welcome back to the show.
It's good to have you on again.
Thank you very much.
Yes, still Canadian, but in the process of, I say becoming American on paper, but spiritually, I think I might be long American already.
I was going to say, you're about the most American Canadian I've ever met.
Who would have Viva beat in that regard?
Oh, Wayne Gretzky?
I might start a war if I assert that Wayne Granzan.
Steven Crowder is becoming American.
He's like quasi-Canadian, right?
I think Stephen was half American, half Canadian.
And then, you know, the other natural born Canadians, you got John Cam.
And he was, I think, one of the greatest tools.
Oh, well, Jim Candy.
Yeah, that actually upsets me because I want to claim him for myself.
He had the curse of not living long enough to sully his wonderful reputation.
And then you've got the Jim Carries of the world who live long enough to, you know, Canadians might count them as one of their own, but he might have gone a little bit more.
Justin Beaver.
Oh, yeah.
They can keep him.
They can keep him.
I think he's had a redemption tour.
I don't know.
That's just what I've heard.
So, Viva, you are a former litigator.
You are very legally minded.
You and Barnes have that great show.
So I wanted to have you on this because you are also mixing it up online.
You have defended, at least from what I can tell, I actually want to hear what your real thoughts are, aspects at least of the prosecution's case.
If that is correct, which I believe it is, why do you believe aspects of the prosecution's case?
Why do you believe that Tyler's?
Prosecution's case for who?
Against Tyler Robinson.
Well, this is like we live in this world of dichotomized or false dichotomies where if you say, you know, there's certain things I believe and then everybody's immediate trope is, oh, so you believe the FBI, you believe the official narrative.
And like, I don't believe anything and I don't believe anybody except what I can, to the best of my ability, surmise, deduce, or, you know, observe myself.
So, you know, do I think that there's any better explanation for what we already have in terms of Tyler Robinson having been on the roof, allegedly with a gun?
I mean, you can always pick certain holes in certain stories and say, well, how did he get the gun down?
And it had a towel on it when it shipped.
The bottom line is you have video.
I was watching it, you know, live the day of, of people hearing the shot ring out from the roof.
They look over.
You've got footage of a man who was later identified allegedly by his parents as Tyler Robinson.
And so based on all of that, to get into the nitpicky and people say, well, a 30-odd six would never have not left an exit wound.
I'm like, you know, Martin Luther King was shot with a 30-odd six.
And then they say, oh, well, that struck him in the face and the jawbone.
And that's a hardbone.
So it doesn't go through the whole body there.
So like, then you say, okay, well, there are circumstances in which a 30-odd six would not have an exit wound, but it's not a question of blindly believing a narrative.
You just, you know, do your best based on whatever evidence is available as of now.
And, you know, the exploding lapel mic was preposterous in the first place.
I mean, almost too preposterous to even feel the need to address.
But people complicating things by saying, okay, exploding lapel, they've got a man with a detonator.
They falsely identify a number of people at first.
And they think that that somehow suffices to cast doubt on the best evidence that exists to date, which is that Tyler Robinson shot the shot.
He had the rifle.
His parents identified him.
And then people say, well, his parents did identify him.
Well, his parents are sitting in court right now.
You'd think they'd be saying something if they wrongly identified or arrested the wrong person.
So do I believe that Tyler Robinson, based on the evidence, now took the shot?
Yes.
Do I believe the official narrative that Tyler acted alone?
Hell no.
And this is where I say like people are doing a disservice to the actual, what might be a conspiracy in the truest legal sense of more than one person working towards an outcome here that I don't believe Tyler took the shot.
I don't believe Tyler worked alone.
I believe that others, in as much as those screenshots were accurate, and I think they've been confirmed, posting in advance, they knew something was going to go down.
People on the Discord chat.
Let's remind people one of the things.
This was found by one of our own team members before the shooting actually happened.
And she logged it because it upset her so much.
And, you know, she thought it was of concern.
Let's play.
This was posted on TikTok by a transgender individual before the event.
Let's play 150.
So for those who couldn't see that, it said on screen, Charles Kirk, Mr. College Dropout, does not know what's coming tomorrow.
Be ready.
This isn't a threat.
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And this person is making suspicious glances to the side repeatedly.
Yeah, Viva, what do you make of this stuff?
And this was not an isolated case.
There was other instances of people appearing to have advanced knowledge.
Well, that's where I am very, very curious and very suspicious and don't believe what we're being told that, you know, Tyler Robinson acted alone or that text message, which really reads more like a script out of a movie of like Walter White from Breaking Bad, trying to save Skylar so he sets up that phone call and makes her look like she didn't know anything that was going on.
People posted in advance.
Now, whether or not it's just a coincidence, that type of coincidence, I'm less inclined to believe is a coincidence.
You know, there's these Discord chats where quite clearly people were discussing things.
Did he have other people helping him, setting up decoys, assisting in the planning or at least keeping quiet what was going to go down?
That's where I would go with what I believe to be a conspiracy that is not in line with the official narrative if the narrative is Tyler Robinson acted alone and his lover had no idea what was going on.
That being said, and I sort of I've defended some of the other actors as well.
You know, Ian Carol, I've had him on my channel a while back.
And I defend his right to say stupid things online.
And when, you know, Candace, again, defend their right to say things if they sincerely believe them.
And I can understand how people discovering these text messages, you know, the ones that are now the central point of this conspiracy that it was a hired assassination by Israel.
I can understand how people read those texts and say, holy crap, that's a coincidence that now I'm going to connect two dots on.
But like I keep trying to tell people, it's like, okay, on the one hand, that would describe a potential mensre interest.
If they want to be convinced by that, and I can certainly understand why people find them suspicious, like, okay, you've described what might be an incentive for an intention without ever having addressed how it might have actually played out in reality.
Was it an Israeli agent who took the sniper shot?
Was it Israeli Mossad agents who weaponized Tyler Robinson online?
I mean, you could get there.
And if the evidence goes there, then take it there as it might be.
But for now, other than those text messages, which shows something of a sinister inside look at donors and what they expect from the people that they give money to, nothing's for free and there's no free lunch.
It doesn't do anything to contradict or add on it to the current best evidence out there, which I appreciate they can't flesh out and get into and delve into now until the trial.
But the bottom line problem is nobody trusts the FBI.
Nobody trusts the authorities.
And people are now so conspiracy traumatized from everything that we've seen that was told was the official narrative only to learn that it's an actual concocted conspiracy.
They don't believe anything anymore to the point where you have people who don't believe that the earth is round.
And there are levels to conspiracies.
I don't believe that Tyler acted alone.
I don't believe that it was a lapel mic exploding because that just complicates what would have otherwise been an easier to explain assassination from the get-go.
Well, and I want to make one thing clear because I've seen even big accounts sort of misrepresent this very critical point.
The FBI is not trying this case, right?
This is not a DOJ case per se.
Yes, they flew in to assist with the immediate investigation.
Cash and Dan were there, obviously.
But this is a local prosecution to the state of Utah.
So they are leading Utah County.
There's the county attorney and then several sub-prosecutors as well.
I think there's five or six names on the charging document, for example.
That's who's actually constructed this case and is going to be prosecuting it in court.
And by the way, I'm with you, actually, Viva.
When I see that video right there, I'm like, who knew what when?
And you've got this like armed SLC queers group or whatever that immediately took down their social media.
I mean, there's it would be it would be good if we had a full investigation of it, at least.
So we could, we should at least, among other things, we should just know if they're all crazy freak shows who are marinating in violent rhetoric.
Even if he said, ha ha, I'm going to shoot Charlie Kirk and they like laughed it off and didn't believe him.
We should, or if they just said, yeah, that'd be cool.
That'd be great.
Like there's a lot of things we deserve to know, even if they aren't literal co-conspirators.
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So Viva, let's, you know, I want to actually make one mention and then I'm going to ask you a separate question.
But, you know, a lot has been made about these text exchange that have gone back, that went back and forth between Robinson and his lover, his trans furry, gay lover, whatever.
And people say it doesn't sound right, doesn't sound right.
Well, there is a video that I want everybody to check out by Turkey Tom.
I believe you've watched it now, Viva, where, and this has been authenticated as somebody who was in the Discord chats with them and apparently spent time with them at this apartment.
And he said, 100%, this is how they talked, which is a striking finding.
We're going to go into that more probably tomorrow, the next day, depending on how today goes.
But I mean, I get the skepticism on this.
At first, it struck me too, but apparently this is how they talk, Viva.
That was not the most implausible thing to believe.
Okay, so you have a text message.
It does read, regardless of whether or not this is how they talk, people saying they were manufactured by or drafted by AI.
To the extent that they're confirmed text messages, you can come to whatever conclusions you want after that.
But whether or not this is how they talk regularly, to the extent that those were authentic text messages, they show what they show, which is whether or not his lover was aware of what was going on.
You're etching bullets and it's maybe not for target practice of a sporting nature.
But when I say I don't believe the official narrative, you have to go back to a number of things here.
I put my sort of best theory as to what went down.
I want to know who was on the Discord chat in advance, what they were discussing, and whether or not there might have been some other foreign influence.
I say foreign, not foreign government, but outer influence there.
Tyler Robinson is getting radicalized right about the same time as Thomas Crooks, right about the same time as the other guy, Ryan Ruth.
You know, he's being radicalized at a politically relevant period of time, right around the same time, oddly enough, as the alleged suspect in the January 6th pipe bomber, you know, a timeframe where political violence is potentially very useful for the upcoming election.
So the timeframe of the radicalization is very interesting.
To see whether or not he was on anybody's radar beforehand, we don't yet know that and why there would not be confirmation on that can lead to suspicion.
You remember the old man, George Zinn, arrested for claiming to be the shooter the day of and then gets busted for CP on his phone.
Like, in my mind, if I'm making a plausible theory here, George Zinn was probably on some Discord chat with a bunch of young perverts, and he's an old pervert, and he's getting off doing whatever they do on those chats.
He knows what's going down.
He shows up there and thinks he's going to be some useful decoy or distraction for Tyler Robinson because they know what's going down.
That's my theory.
But, you know, it is the absence of total disclosure, the total lack of faith that anybody has, not just in the FBI per se, but in any state law enforcement.
Nobody has any faith in our institutions anymore.
And it leads people to go from, you know, healthy skepticism to just not believing it to concocting the most outlandish conspiracy theories imaginable.
But then those text messages, you can understand how they will cause people to come to those types of conclusions.
And, you know, allegedly, the rumors are Kash Patel, you know, getting mad at Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent for trying to look into a potential terrorist angle to this also does nothing to foment faith in the system, foment faith in the authorities.
So you can understand why people are coming to their conclusions and their conspiracy theories.
It's very much akin to the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories, where you still have people today who don't believe that people died on Sandy Hook on the day of.
And it's because people are so traumatized by conspiracy that they are manufacturing the most outlandish conspiracies.
And I think it does a disservice and an injustice to the actual conspiracy, which is it seems that many people had advanced knowledge of this shooting.
And now the only attention is being placed on Tyler Robinson and or these more outlandish theories and not exploring these more plausible conspiracy theories.
Well, I think it's important to emphasize we have a responsibility to use your reason.
You truly have to shepherd how you think about things.
And that's one of the most damaging things with really outlandish things.
I mean, the Sandy Hook one is a great example where it can be addictive to really marinate in something that if you really were to write down all of the evidence straightforward and try to like make a logical syllogism out of it, it just doesn't make any sense.
And the newest one I heard over the weekend was that it was actually an electrocution and that the people around him were standing on rubber mats, so they weren't arrested.
Or if you want one that just came up, a bunch of people decided that that shooting in Australia was an IDF operation.
So I'm just instantly ran with that one.
Well, everything points back there, I guess.
30 seconds, Viva.
You know, I see the problem is, you know, there are more outlandish conspiracy theories to entertain.
There are the realistic ones.
And like with Sandy Hook and saying, you know, all crisis actors, nobody died that day, you actually distract and divert from the true tragedy, which is, you know, state authorities failed to do what they were required to do to protect those children.
And instead of discussing that, you end up having to discredit everyone who asks any questions because of the more outlandish conspiracy theories.
Viva Fry, former litigator, future American, thank you, my friend.
Good to see you.
Very much.
Godspeed.
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We're like, man, this really sounds really cool.
It just reached out.
So, almost all of you, I'm sure, are familiar with the film It's a Wonderful Life.
One of my Christmas copers, an all-time Christmas classic.
Amazing story.
And we got pitched over the weekend by a friend of ours who said, Hey, this guy has an interesting take comparing Charlie to George Bailey, the hero of Bedford Falls, in that film.
And so, we're joined now by Titus Tekara.
He is a distinguished fellow at Hillsdale College, and he's also the executive director of the American Cinema Foundation, your big film buff.
So, I don't know where exactly you're going to go with this, but lay it out for us, Titus.
Hey, guys, thanks for having me on.
Glad to be on the show.
So, I'm a distinguished fellow at Hillsdale, and just the first couple of weeks now in December, I recorded a course on cinema and civilization for Hillsdale.
And one of the movies I was talking about was It's a Wonderful Life.
It's Christmas.
Men leadership and God and prayer, big parts of the story.
And then also for Hillsdale, I did a number of Christmas lectures in Connecticut.
I'm not sure anybody knows this, but in Connecticut, there is a replica of Monticello, Jefferson's home.
Somebody just up and built that for his centennial birthday.
And now it's Hillsdale does lectures there.
And so I talked about this movie, and you know, there were hundreds of people there.
And I thought about how do we talk about leadership in contemporary terms, not the movie from eight years ago.
And that's the guy I thought of, Charlie Kirk.
And I have to say that the audience responded very, very warmly.
And that's what made me think I should talk to you guys about this.
So the story of It's a Wonderful Life is a story of community and leadership.
George Bailey is an astonishing guy from youth.
He's a boy who saves lives.
I'm not sure how seriously people take that when they see it in the movie, but it's very important.
And then he ends up saving the community he's part of as well.
And it's not trivial.
It's a story about how America needs leaders and what's difficult about that sort of leadership.
George Bailey is not a nice guy.
George Bailey is a tough guy.
And he has much more in common with Hemingway heroes than with sentimental stories.
He grows up wanting to conquer the world, go on adventuring.
He wants to see the world by himself.
His idea of property is to buy a sturdy piece of luggage so that he can get through the world with it.
And each stamp he says on that piece of luggage will prove that he has achieved something, that he has measured himself against something much bigger than the small town in which he lives.
But then, you know, he has a sense of duty too, and he can't abandon the family business or the community.
And he ends up making his life there in Bedford Falls, you know, an idyllic small-town community, but not so idyllic that it's unrealistic about what it takes to make a community work.
The kinds of things that Jimmy Stewart, George Bailey, faces are the kinds of things we're dealing with now.
His major issue is housing.
He wants people to be able to buy a house so that they can make a family and make a life for themselves and the community.
Or else, of course, none of this lasts.
There's no future without it because owning property, first of all, for your home, your family, is the basis of self-respect and therefore the basis of self-government.
And on the other hand.
I love that comparison.
I love that comparison.
For those who don't remember in the film, the big problem is there's that banker, Potter, and he's basically trying to buy out all the housing in the community.
And the whole...
The whole thing is Potter trying to take the small portion that George Bailey's family have done through the savings and loan, this small portion of lending through the community and making self-sufficient members of the community.
Potter just wants to have them all live in the world.
He wants to take over all of the housing, and Bailey is constantly fighting to make sure everyone still owns their own home.
Which is very Charlie.
Wow, that is very Charlie.
That's actually a remarkable thing.
You can continue, Titus.
The movie clearly gets this opposition between small towns and the big city.
In the big city, everybody's a stranger and everybody is out there trying to rent.
And it's not really working out for most people or, you know, not sufficiently at any rate to have kids.
And isn't that happening all the time in big cities nowadays?
Isn't it the case that massive corporations are now in the business of buying up homes?
A lot of crazy stuff is going on.
And it's all right there.
I mean, these are the problems of the big cities.
This is the challenge of modern America as Capra sees it.
And it's better to face it than not to face it.
And he might also be right that if you want to face it, you probably need men like that to face it.
Again, it's not like the problem didn't happen before Charlie Kirk noticed that home ownership and marriage for young men is in crisis now.
It's just that not so many people talked about it.
That's the need for leaders.
Yeah.
I mean, Charlie was a, I mean, the more you talk about it, because Charlie, it's interesting.
You mentioned that George Bailey was a tough guy.
Yeah, yeah, tough, not nice.
Charlie actually was quite kind, but he also had this bluntness too.
He had a fire.
He had a spirit that was sort of indomitable.
I've seen, you know, because we have to look at the email inbox now.
He read every email.
And sometimes he could be very blunt in responding to people.
Oh, he was very blunt.
You're wrong.
You're wrong.
You just say you're wrong.
You're wrong.
And he would argue with people.
And he, yeah, I mean, so I love this story because we are in the Christmas season.
We've got a lot going on.
We've got things in the news.
We've got terrible news over the weekend.
But we are in Christmas season.
And it's a really fascinating way to think about Charlie's life as a leader of a community that ended up, you know, you think about in death, you know, I guess the other central theme of it, as I'm thinking about this, Titus, is that, you know, the whole story revolves around what if George Bailey never existed.
And that's a, I mean, you think about when you see all this outpouring of love for Charlie at the memorial, all the things that he's accomplished, his massive legacy and imprint on the world.
Imagine if Charlie Kirk never existed.
Yeah, like that's that's the thing.
When he has that vision, there's, you know, his kids don't exist.
His brother doesn't exist anymore because he drowns and all of that.
And I think about we had that call during the AMA a few weeks ago where those people, they had a child because Charlie motivated them to do it.
Or you think of this people who say, I finally proposed to my girlfriend.
Maybe they'll have kids later who wouldn't have existed without Charlie's example.
It's really something to think about.
He left an impression and an imprint and a ripple effect that will be impossible to ever calculate.
And I think that is one of the through lines of It's a Wonderful Life.
Correct, Titus?
Yeah.
So, you know, I was just now talking to a friend of mine, a pastor from Indiana, who told me, as I think many other pastors have noticed, that week after week since Charlie was assassinated, men come to church.
He says, some of these people come back, but all of them at least stayed for a long conversation.
And I think you can see how even that makes a difference.
But he says, one of them is now a member of his church about to become.
He's in the process of joining.
And, you know, that's one soul that may be saved, which I think the business pastors are in.
There's a lot of this stuff happening throughout America, lives that are being changed.
And it's not just the life Charlie lived, but after his death too, still makes a difference.
And that I think points you to something like the power of religion, like the movies trying to tell you men like that, although they're impressive, they still need prayer.
They still need to look up to divine providence above them.
And you see that in the effect their lives have even after they pass.
And I also thought, you know, at the end of the movie, when his wife tries to call all the community together, Mary Bailey brings everybody together, tells the kids, yes, you should be praying for your dad.
And then all the community comes to help out.
That's not one like the vigils for Charlie.
How many people went out of their way to show not just solidarity, but a love, a sense also of the loss, what was lost with his death, and presumably a resolve to make for a better life so that it was not all in vain.
I think that's part, maybe that's the part that we don't talk about as much.
How many people resolve themselves to do better so that everything he did and his death would not be in vain.
And that also is somehow fit for a Christmas movie because it gives you hope about the future.
We got an email here.
We got an email here from Elizabeth who says, Charlie had many similar characteristics with Jimmy Stewart.
They were both rather tall and humble.
And they were both Republicans.
Jimmy Stewart was a lifelong Republican Christian.
He used to have those slightly more.
Yeah, no, Jimmy Stewart went to Hollywood Presbyterian.
I know that because they were still talking about it years later.
And he came every week with his family.
And actually, Henrietta Mears used to run the sort of high school and college ministry at Hollywood Presbyterian.
Henrietta Mears is famous for helping bring Billy Graham to faith.
Wow.
So Hollywood Presbyterian was quite the same.
They were different in a big way.
They did not talk anything like each other.
No, Charlie didn't talk at all like Jimmy Stewart, I will say.
But yeah, they were both awful tall.
Hey, so Titus, just while we have you here, it's kind of a question out of left field, but we did lose Rob Reiner over the weekend, another American film legend as a director.
You know, minute and a half, you know, your reflections on his body of work.
Yeah, it was an impressive guy, had a great career, especially in the 80s.
But let me say one more thing about the, it's a wonderful life before we drop that.
You know, there's something about what, you know, to understand somebody like George Bailey, to understand that kind of ambitious man, it takes this counterfactual.
What if he had never lived?
And so what is the worst thing he can imagine?
And as a community, it's Pottersville.
Pottersville is now run by the greedy banker.
And what is that all about?
It's not a community.
It's a lot of people there, but there's no community.
There's no solidarity.
There's no sympathy.
There's quite a bit of cruelty and brazen indifference.
And instead of family life or home ownership or what you might call suburbia, what you get instead is a lot of gambling and some prostitution and obviously drinking.
And again, that's a lot like the America today.
There's way too much sports heroes out there trying to corrupt young men, advertising betting apps.
There's a lot of, you know, just think about horrible stuff like OnlyFans.
That's what he's afraid of.
And I think that's what we're all afraid of.
And I think that's what Charlie was afraid of and why he was trying to help young men build life for themselves, not become drug addicts or addicts to like only fans.
Yeah.
Titus, thank you very much for having on.
Everyone, watch It's a Wonderful Life this year.
Maybe spare a thought.
See if you see a similarity with Charlie there.
Thanks for coming on, Titus.
Take care.
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So I want to talk about this FBI plot that was just foiled.
It's a huge story.
Kind of was unfolding.
There was a press conference as we started the show here.
But essentially, what we know is that the FBI has foiled a New Year's Eve terror plot, and they found that the alleged is in Southern California, and it's by far-left radicals.
They say a radical offshoot of the Turtle Island Liberation Front or TILF, an extremist group motivated by pro-Palestine, anti-law enforcement, and anti-government ideology, allegedly planning coordinated IED, improvised explosive devices, bombing attacks on New Year's Eve at different locations across Los Angeles.
That's an interesting name.
Turtle Island Liberation Front.
That's a name.
Turtle Island is a name often used by pro-American Indian activists because apparently it's one of the names, I guess, that a American Indian tribe used for kind of it's a little debated, but like America or the world or whatever.
And so some people believe that, you know, really radicals, they'll, it's common in Canada, so they won't want to call it.
So they're basically calling pro-Turtle Island.
They're pro-Indigenous people.
Pro-Indigenous, but pro-Indigenous.
So who is indigenous, you know, to Carthage?
This is a question I always want to throw to these people.
Like, who is indigenous to England?
Well, it was the Vikings invaded and then they held it for a while.
Who's indigenous to America?
You don't want to dig into the history of who lived in which place to America.
I'm just saying, like, to the pro-Indigenous crowd that gets so radicalized by this stuff that they think all land is stolen.
All land has been conquered.
Let's put up clip.
What do we have here?
157.
157.
Let's put that one up.
So this is evidence released by the Justice Department.
We can see some signs they have.
Death to ICE, Death to America, long live Turtle Island and Palestine.
It looks like it's saying Erica is fascist.
I don't think that actually is what it says.
I think it's America is fascist and it's blurred a bit.
Well, it's with a C.
They have an American catastrophe.
Fascism comes to America.
So lots of stuff.
And they say that they must have been tracking these guys because it sounds like what happened was they went out into the Mojave Desert to make their explosives, they're saying.
And then the FBI swooped in on them right now.
A very sophisticated left-wing group is behind this.
And they are saying that the executive order that President Trump signed after Charlie's assassination to label some of these far-left groups as domestic terrorists and to uncover their funding mechanisms has directly contributed to the FBI being able to foil this plot.
So that's a huge piece of this story is that, you know, you start looking, you know, we just were talking about what happened if Charlie's life had never existed.
Well, I know it comes in death, which is terrible and tragic, but the reason this got elevated so much, and I'll reiterate, I think I've told this story on the show before, is that the last text message he sent to Stephen Miller was, we have to root out these funding networks for the far-left extremists.
And we have more stuff.
So they say a radical offshoot of the Turtle Island Liberation Front.
Let's put up that sequence of images from that group's Instagram page because these groups just have Instagrams.
Peaceful protests will never be enough.
There are no morals for us to appeal to.
No sense of justice or what's right.
We cannot vote ourselves out of a mass colonizer occupation.
Well, if you can't vote yourself out, how do you get out?
And let's go to the third one.
We are against fascist colonizers.
Yeah, they plan to bomb five-plus locations in L.A., Orange County on New Year's Eve, explicitly called it a terrorist act, follow-up attacks targeting ICE agents, vehicles with pipe bombs to take some of the mountains, scare the rest.
You know, as you saw the Death to America signage, et cetera.
So the media will probably bury this because it's not the narrative.
Remember, political violence only comes from the right, according to them, even though all evidence that we have in recent memory is all left-wing political violence.
But they will probably bury this.
It's a nothing burger.
Good work to the men and women at the FBI.
And to the extent that President Trump's executive order contributed to foiling this, God bless all the men and women there.