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And I just want to say a few words real quick as to how Charlie and I met, and then I'm going to have you say a few words.
Yeah, so this was a couple of years ago.
Somebody was having a conversation with me on the phone, and they said they were impressed to sponsor me to go to a certain conference.
And I went there, and I saw in the pamphlet or the schedule, it said, meet and greet with Charlie Kirk.
So I said, okay, I inquired the staff and asked, where is this happening?
And they said, wherever you're standing, that's where it's happening.
So don't go anywhere.
So I said, sure.
And in a few seconds, he came.
Charlie came.
And then right behind me, immediately there were like over a thousand people standing in the line to meet me.
I was like, thank God, I'm first in line, a front in line.
And then I walked up to Charlie and said, hey, Charlie, I'm also a Sabbath keeper like you.
He said, are you Jewish?
I don't think you remember this, but it's okay.
And I said, no, I'm not a Jewish.
I'm not Jewish.
I'm a Seventh-day Adventist like Dr. Ben Carson.
And then he said that, oh, I want to talk to you.
I need to talk to you.
I said, about?
And he said, let's talk about the Sabbath.
And then earlier this year, we met in Detroit.
And actually, Mikey recognized me.
I didn't even recognize Mikey.
Apparently, he has very good memory.
And he recognized me.
And he said, aren't you the one who has a Sabbath ministry?
He asked me.
I said, yes.
And then he said, okay, Charlie, his Sabbath minister is here.
So we met again.
And then Charlie said, actually, you promised to me that if you have a conference in Phoenix, I'll come.
So he's here.
here we are.
So Charlie Kirk, a little bit of your background, religious background.
Yeah, so honor to be here and thank you.
The Sabbath is one of my favorite topics to talk about, honestly, because I'm so sick of talking about politics all day long.
It's all I do.
So it drives me crazy.
This is actually way more important than that.
And I could tie the two together if necessary, but we don't have to.
It's more important than that.
I grew up in a Presbyterian background.
I then, we left that church.
We went to what could be best called as a Bible-believing evangelical church.
So not quite Calvinist, not Pentecostal, somewhere in the middle.
Look, we believe many of the same stuff, guys.
I believe in the inerrancy of scripture.
I believe you need Jesus Christ.
I believe in grace, not works.
I believe that there is heaven awaiting us.
I believe in an afterlife.
I believe in a God that created the heavens and the earth.
However, I grew up in a church environment that at the very best would de-emphasize the Shabbat.
At the very worst, say that the Sabbath doesn't really matter.
The Sabbath is in your heart.
You don't need to observe it.
And the story is quite long.
I'm actually writing my next book on the Sabbath.
It's called Stop in the Name of God, because Shabbat means stop or ceasing.
So I'm not here to sell you a book.
It's not even for sale yet.
It's just something to think about.
And it's honestly how the Sabbath saved my life and helped preserve my family and helped preserve my career.
And so two things.
Number one, a pastor that I really care about, Pastor David Engelhart, he's one of our board members at Turning Point USA.
I was exhausted.
It was the summer of 2021.
I sat down with him.
I said, I'm not sleeping well.
I'm fatigued.
And he asked me very bluntly, are you honoring the Sabbath?
And I gave him very weak theological arguments, honestly.
Oh, I'm not bound to that.
Or no, I'm not really interested in that.
I don't have to do that.
And he really challenged me, and I didn't have good responses, to be perfectly honest with you.
And pairing that with my very good friend, who is Jewish, who right now is going through a very difficult health trial, Dennis Prager, who I believe is the premier Torah teacher of this generation.
He's amazing.
He's a phenomenal mind.
And if you don't know Dennis Prager, on the Sabbath, you guys would really appreciate Dennis Prager because he has brought the teachings of the Sabbath to more millions of people than almost anybody alive.
And I hope to carry that tradition.
And he would always talk about the Shabbat, always talking about the Sabbath.
And I found myself, after a couple years of hearing this, getting really jealous of him.
Being like, wait a second, you're able to just unplug for one day and not work and be with friends and family and worship God?
I want that.
Amen.
And I would start to get really jealous in the worst possible way.
And then I realized it's not something you go and purchase at the store.
It's not something that you have to take out a loan for.
It's simply the prioritization of the question of who's in charge.
It's that simple.
And if you believe God is in charge, and if you believe Genesis 1-1, because the Shabbat is a question of whether or not you believe Genesis 1-1, and if you believe Genesis 1-1, then you honor the Sabbath.
If you have questions about Genesis 1-1, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, which is bare sheath, right?
It's the first truth claim of the scriptures.
Then on the seventh day, you rest because God created the heavens and the earth.
It is the longest standing celebration of time of the creation of the heavens and the earth.
And so that realization changed my life.
I could talk about this from many different dimensions, what it's meant for me personally, what it means on the macro.
I also go to churches across the country.
I speak at hundreds of churches of all different denominations.
And I will challenge the Christian church because I believe this is the most ignored commandment of the decalogue to our own detriment, which is that I believe that honoring the Sabbath is the commandment that allows you to honor the other nine commandments and that the enemy has gone after the honoring the Sabbath because then it is easier to weaken the other nine.
And I'll prove it to you.
If you're honoring the Sabbath, it's definitionally easier to honor your mother and father because you're not working that day and you're with family.
If you're honoring the Sabbath, it's easier not to covet your neighbor's wife because you're not around your neighbor's wife, you're with your family.
And you're filled with gratitude that day.
When you're honoring the Sabbath, it's easier to have no other gods before God because that day is built in time as a temple, as a sanctuary to put God first, to not have idols, to not take the Lord's name in vain.
The other nine commandments are made easier, are made more accessible for our broken, fleshly, depraved nature if we prioritize the Shabbat.
Amen.
You mentioned about this one commandment has been ignored.
Interestingly, God wrote the word remember.
That's why this panel is called as remember.
And that being said, I would like to invite Dr. James Markham, cardiologist, and he's going to share with us his research on worship and how it affects the human body.
Nice to see you.
I've been working as a cardiologist for many, many years, and the Lord has blessed me with some insights.
And when a patient comes to me, he comes with a need.
Chest pain, having a heart attack, they have a need.
But in the process, after I meet that need, the next place where I try to encourage them to go is they start talking about belief systems.
You know, when someone's faced with death, that's pretty serious.
And they start looking at belief system.
And I explain that my belief system is I believe that the Bible is the truth, the owner's manual, the biblical textbook.
And that's hard in this world for, you know, to say that the Bible trumps science.
The truths in the Bible are way ahead of the scientific discovery.
So we start moving in that direction.
And as they do that, I start to start, one of the things that comes up is the truths in the Bible, including the Sabbath.
You know, and if they want to know why the Bible's true, we can get into that.
I think there's strong scientific evidence of why the Bible is true.
But then we start talking about the seventh day, a time that God gave us a time to rest before the fall, when everything was perfect.
And I start talking about the physiology of that and what we have in science to date to catch up with the truths in the Bible.
It's very interesting that at that time, we think about it, we were happy.
We were peaceful, like you said.
Things were great.
We spent time with family.
Our bodies, our brains, remember, everyone knows about dopamine, right?
We're getting dopamine hits from everywhere.
The neurostructures in the brain, all of that was perfect.
But all of a sudden, things started falling apart, and we started looking for other ways for pleasure.
We started getting our dopamine surges from, you know, in the hospital.
I see cocaine, I see fentanyl, I see all sorts of dopamine surges, and we try doing that.
And after a while, it changes our brain.
And if our brain changes, our relationship with God changes, our decision-making changes, everything's messed up.
So we start turning on this fight or flight.
We make chemicals like epinephrine, norepinephrine, adrenaline, everything starts bad happening in the body that downshifts our brain so we can't think as well, so we can't relate to God.
So the whole way we deal with the world has changed when this starts to occur.
So it's pretty interesting.
And then when we start looking at the Bible, you know, I tell them, you know, the Bible is far ahead of science.
You know, when they said that, you know, there's weight in the wind, that was long before Torricelli said that, or that the earth was round.
That was long before Copernicus or even Daniel.
You know, that the original, one of the original health studies in Daniel, he starts talking about, you know, they ate a plant-based diet.
And then after a period of time, they looked at the control group and they were a lot better off.
And you wonder 300.
Sorry, he said plant-based.
He didn't say vegan.
Yeah, plant-based diet.
You know, you maybe focus on plants.
And then after, you know, you wonder, you know, whether all the other doctors back then started paying attention to that.
We have Dr. Hippocrates 300 years later says, let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.
Maybe he heard about this Babylonian study.
I don't know.
So, Dr. Markham, you mentioned about worship, right?
The way we worship God, as per what the Bible tells us, activates certain parts of the brain.
Yes.
When we don't follow that and we follow a man-made method of worship, different parts of the brain gets activated.
Yes, can you talk about that?
We're starting to get our dopamine from other sources, our inner connections of change.
In fact, one of the better research things that I've read recently has come from Andrew Newberg.
And we're actually now we have the science to look at what the brain's doing, PET scans.
And he used an intervention of worship, one intervention of prayer, one of just 12 minutes of worship, and people that never worshiped before, ever.
He looked at their brains and the part of the brain called the anterior single cortex started getting bigger.
This is called the God brain.
This is where we have purpose.
This is where we have meaning.
This is where we have love.
And all of a sudden, he looked at the physiology of the brain.
Oxytocin, you know, dopamine, serotonin, all these were changing.
But one thing interesting you notice in his research is that the part of the stress brain, the amygdala, was turned off.
You know, all those stress chemicals, adrenaline, cortisol, the inflammatory markers, all this inflammation was starting to turn down just by worship.
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I have a question for you, Charlie.
In terms of keeping the Sabbath, you mentioned that it helped you overcome stress.
You mentioned cortisol, right?
Stress hormone.
So can you tell us how it helped in help you overcoming stress?
And also with your family, how it has a positive impact?
Yeah, so one very easy way, and the science shows this, is that I turn off my phone from Friday night to Sunday morning.
I go even all the way to Sunday morning because it's just too nice, as you know, on Sabbath night.
I want to glide that all the way down to Sunday morning.
You know what I mean?
And I'm trying to just stretch it out as long as I can.
And that's very important.
And because when I hear that someone is honoring the Sabbath and they still have their phone on, I'm like, at least for me, my phone is a portal to work, first and foremost, and it might be 1% family.
And you know what?
I mean, I have 1,500 employees.
We do a lot.
And so even if it's on Saturday, they're constantly asking me about certain stuff.
So for me, my stress goes down significantly.
What I even find, everybody, is that when you turn off your phone on Friday night by Saturday afternoon, your habits slightly start to change where you don't miss the phone as much.
You're not like reaching for it all the time.
You're not like, oh, wait, no, it's not there.
You're not kind of just pushing the button and you start to become much more present and much more, let's just say, connected to the people around you.
And so the scriptures are very clear.
And I'm not here to tell you that you can't use electricity on the Sabbath.
You guys can have your own opinions on that.
I do use electricity on the Sabbath for the record, but I don't work.
So I will not watch the news.
I will not read a newspaper.
I will not have my phone on.
I will, however, watch college football, which some people say, well, that's not a Sabbath.
It's highly enjoyable for me.
There you go.
Because it's not work.
And it's connecting.
I watch it with my family.
I enjoy it.
Because it says, for six days you shall work.
And on the seventh day, you shall rest.
And true rest, of course, we find in Christ Jesus and with Almighty God.
And so, yes, I found my stress markers went down dramatically.
My health improved.
I lost a lot of weight, my energy, my vitality.
And I will say this as, and I hope you'll understand my heart when I say this, as humbly as I possibly can.
If I can turn off my phone and honor the Sabbath, you have no excuse.
I'll just be very honest with you, okay?
Because I've missed some very big phone calls before.
And let me just be very honest.
I've missed phone calls from the President of the United States.
But God told me to not work that day.
Wow.
And so, by the way, you can always call people back.
And do you know what I find is that good people that are not Christians actually really respect that you turn off for a day.
They're willing to cut you slack.
And even if they aren't, I say, so what?
The creator of the universe told you to unplug for a day, told you to not work for that day.
That's more important than just being on the constant corporate hamster wheel to try to get the next bonus and return the next text message.
So he's changing where he's getting his dopamine from.
Yes.
And he's changing the neural pathways.
And God is blessing.
This was how you were originally designed to function.
This is one of the core principles of the, you know, the way we're designed.
And when we break the way we were designed, bad things happen.
And we try to start getting our dopamine and our other pleasures from other places.
We downshift our brain, adrenaline and cortisol, all this goes on.
But in 2012, the Human Genome Project was completed.
The DNA was sequenced.
So now, all of a sudden, I think of DNA as DNA is the hardware.
The epigenetics is the software.
So now over the last few years, we can unwrap.
Some people have called it the language of God in medicine.
Because now we can look at the inputs, individual inputs, and how it turns on and off specific genes.
I think that's just fascinating.
So now we have the ability, for instance, they've done different types of worship studies, relaxation studies.
We're looking at these Kappa pathways in the brain, how it regulates, turns on and off genetics.
And we found out that we can turn off through worship, you know, of course, a Sabbath worship, but even be more.
We can turn off these stress-related genes and change our physiology.
So we turn off this chronic stress, and that's one of the causes of our chronic disease epidemic.
You know, chronic disease.
So this has really changed.
So the next step is going to be in the research is to take biblical worship.
So Charlie, if I can study your individual genetics, I can say for Charlie, 15 minutes of Bible study, 10 minutes of prayer, one quarter of football, a couple laughs, a couple praises.
This is what your genetics looks like if you do this.
And then I might be able to say in a few years, the science is catching up with the Bible that maybe if you did this a little bit better, why don't you try this for a while?
Maybe we can tweak it a little bit more.
Maybe you can get more of these good neural pathways.
Maybe you can grow this God brain, you know, that we have in there, the anterior cingulate cortex that got big in the studies, and turn even down more the amygdala, the stress part of the brain that's really the selfishness that's going on in this world.
So that's when you say the Sabbath is so fundamental to health, it's fundamental to disease reversal.
You know, we can put a stent in or do a bypass, but that doesn't heal us eternally, does it?
But this not only heals us eternally, but it gives us short-term genetic changes so we make better decisions, we have better pathways.
Thank you so much, Dr. Markham.
And then we'll have our next panelist with us, Brother Danny Shelton.
Thank you so much for your input.
How did you connect Sabbath with Jesus?
Well, in Jesus, we find our rest, and that's the critical thing, is that we're promised that the Sabbath will give, we should find rest in the Sabbath, and on the seventh day, God rested and saw that it was good.
But we know that our ultimate rest is in Christ Jesus.
Secondly, though, and I think this is important, I don't want to get too deep into this.
I'm not a theologian.
My new friend here can answer this far better than I can.
But there, I think, is some sloppy and misleading Christian teaching at times that says that Jesus does not want you to honor the Sabbath and Jesus broke the Sabbath.
I'm not going to get too far deep into that.
I'll allow my new friend to comment on that.
But here's what I will say: is that we believe in a triune God, and therefore that it predated the law, and creation was mentioned by Christ several times and emphasized all throughout scriptures.
In fact, I believe that there are miracles all throughout the Bible.
But the two miracles that we as Christians must remember on a daily and weekly basis is the creation of the world and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Those are the two biggest of all the miracles.
Those miracles make Christianity.
And so it connects very significantly.
I also look at it through a modern, what does this mean for us as moderns?
There are two types of people right now in the modern world, beyond Christians and Muslims and all that.
Two basically types of people.
The first type, they believe that our existence is a mistake, that we are a happy accident.
A bunch of evolution cells came together and we happen to get consciousness and reason and all these different variables from the tilt of the earth and the axis and carbon dioxide and oxygen all came together.
This is all a mistake.
The second category believes our existence is a miracle.
And you believe that there is intentionality.
By honoring the Sabbath, whether you realize it or not, you are pushing against all the dark nihilism that has infected our world.
Nihilism believes that there is no purpose and there is no meaning to your existence.
By honoring the Sabbath, you're stopping what you're doing, saying, no, everything we do matters because there is intentionality behind our creation.
And we honor the Creator because there is creation.
And the final thing I'll say is this, is in the book of Romans, in Romans 1, this is very important.
We must never worship creation.
And it warns us about this.
And you see this with people that will worship nature or worship the sun.
We are to worship the creator.
And Shabbat gives us that opportunity to then worship the creator of the heavens and the earth.
Amen.
So during your journey, keeping the Sabbath, right?
So you have witnessed people asking you questions, pastors, especially from Christendom, telling you, we are no longer under law.
We are under grace.
Why do you keep the Sabbath?
How did you respond to those questions?
So as a non-theologian, it's a great question, or a non-pastor, I'll respond.
While I do believe we are bound by the Sabbath, I'm not properly equipped or it's my profession to get into theological debate.
Great.
That's where I come in.
Yes, but I will say this.
I will say this, though.
I will say, do you believe that given the option, this is my best answer, because this is how I think, do you think that God would prefer you to turn off all your devices and stop working and worshiping him for 24 hours with your family or running around town, going to bars, doing, you know, continuing in corporate work?
Which do you think is more godly?
And if you believe that the Sabbath is more godly, then why won't you say that from the pulpit?
And so that is my answer, which is that, look, Jesus said, upon all of the laws of the commandments, these two hold.
Love the Lord your God with your heart, soul, strength, and mind, right?
Deuteronomy 6.
And then Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself.
How are we supposed to love our God with our heart, soul, strength, and mind?
Well, you think about it.
What makes the Sabbath so unique is that it is a cathedral built in time.
Is that it is part of your schedule that you are dedicating to the Lord.
And my goodness, does our flesh not want to do that?
Your flesh fights this idea, like, oh, I'll do a two-hour Sabbath this week, or I'll just do a little bit of work.
That is your flesh.
That is the enemy.
If it was easy to honor the Sabbath, then God would not have to command it time and time again.
Hey, remember it, guys.
Remember, because the way that in our depraved nature, the enemy wants to prioritize materialism over our Creator.
Prioritize your own fleshly pursuits over the elevation of the divine.
So I will then hand off the baton here on the theological question.
And it's not to say that I don't have opinions on it.
I am instead, in my role in life, I am a Bible-believing church-attending Christian that talks about Jesus every day.
I am more interested in the moral, at least my career, the moral application of God's teachings.
And I'll allow the theologians to have the proper food fights and sort it out.
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Okay, first of all, it's good to be here.
He sounds like a theologian to me.
I don't know.
I'm not actually a theologian.
I didn't go to the Charlie, I didn't go to the cemetery.
I mean, seminary.
I didn't do that at all.
I'm like you, I have a high school education, but I've learned through the years.
And when you get to be in your 70s, you've had time to learn.
But several years ago, I wrote a book with Shelly Quinn, a friend of mine.
It's called The Ten Commandments Twice Removed.
I'll give it to you.
Why I put that title, The Ten Commandments Twice Removed.
I think you'll agree with me that our government, for one thing, has removed the Ten Commandments.
But secondly, and very important on what you were saying, is that the churches, the Christian church, has removed the Ten Commandments.
I completely agree, and it's a tragedy, and I think it's against God's commands and his wish for us.
So there you have the Ten Commandments twice removed.
So what's happened is God created, and you've already said much of this, so I won't spend much time going over it, but God said on the creation week, it wasn't when the Ten Commandments were people say they're given to the Jews, they were given to Moses.
Now here you understand that they from creation, God rested the Sabbath.
People say, oh, well, they didn't keep, you know, the commandments up till Moses.
Well, actually, if you look at Genesis 26, you know, it talks about Isaac and Jacob.
They kept the laws, the precepts, the promises.
When Cain killed his brother Abel early on, he knew he sinned.
It was a sin.
So what I do is we start at not just the Sabbath, but I believe one of the biggest enemies of God's commandments is the Christian church today.
I didn't get any amens.
That's fine.
That's all right.
One of the biggest enemies of keeping God's commandments is the Christian church.
And I'll tell you why.
Because if the Christian church will say, well, the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.
We're not under that old law.
We don't have to keep that old law.
I was at a big Baptist church several years ago, and the preacher said to me afterwards, you're one of those old Seventh-day Adventists, he said, is that right?
And I said, yes.
And he said, man, you mean you're under that old law?
And I said, which law are you talking about?
He said, well, that old Ten Commandment law, well, what had happened, they had taken up a Sunday morning worship, tithes and offerings, and then they took up a separate one for me.
I was in the back room with the pastor, and I saw that the Sunday morning tithe and offering of this big church was a lot more money than what I would be getting.
So he said, oh, I'm not under the old law.
I said, great.
So I went over and I began to gather up all the money from this tithes and offerings.
And I said, thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
I'm going to leave.
And he goes, well, wait, wait a minute, Brother Danny, you can't do that.
I said, why not?
He said, well, because you can't, that's our, I said, but tell me what I'm doing wrong.
And he goes, I get your message.
See, I was stealing, right?
He suddenly believed in the Ten Commandments because I was going to steal his money.
And so now they suddenly know it.
People say, oh, I'm not under, we're not under.
The reason that the Christian church is so big on the commandments were nailed to the cross, they're not valid, is because of the one commandment, the one commandment, the fourth commandment that Charlie's been talking to you about.
Because if I have to keep that, well, if I can say, well, these commandments were nailed to the cross, nowhere in the Bible does it say the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.
What was nailed to the cross?
Some of you.
It says the law of the ordinances, Moses' laws, all of those were nailed to the cross.
So what God did and what he, first of all, I think, Charlie, we should talk about sin for a second.
What is sin?
Okay, if we have to understand sin, sin is the Bible definition, 1 John 3, 4, sin is the transgression or the breaking of God's Ten Commandment law.
So some people say, how do you know it's God's Ten Commandment law?
And I say, well, what other laws did he give that we don't know about?
So I have a question for Charlie.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, and I just want to expand.
You asked your question.
I think that's such a profound point.
Can you just quickly respond to how a pastor would say, well, what about the 613 laws of Judaism?
Can you just respond?
They say, why the Ten Commandments and not the ceremonial or the Levitical law of keeping cosh fruits?
Can you just help me respond to that?
Sure, because Colossians says, you know, the nailing to the cross, the ordinances were nailed to the cross.
But that is that 614 laws.
That's not the Ten Commandments.
They confuse it.
So the old covenant was given.
The Ten Commandments, the Old Covenant, New Covenant has nothing to do with not keeping the commandments.
It's how are we saved?
Under the Old Covenant, we were saved by what?
You know, we were saved by, sure, the old covenant, it's always been by grace, but God had to put up a temporary thing called the sanctuary, where we shed, they brought it to the sanctuary of the lambs and shed the innocent blood.
And so what happened is that was a shadow of things to come that so man could still be saved without Jesus' shed blood.
So when Jesus died on the cross, he gave his life.
No one took it.
That then became the atonement for sin, doing away with the old covenant, with the ceremonial law, the old Jewish laws.
It totally did away with it.
But we still are under the Ten Commandments.
People say, oh, they're nailed to the cross.
Jesus says in the New Testament, of course, if you love me, do what?
Keep my commandments.
Over and over, James says, if you keep the whole law, yet you offend in one point, you're guilty of all.
Now, this is New Testament.
This is New Testament.
Think about it.
James, this was after the crucifixion, after the resurrection.
So this could have been 30, 40, 50 years later.
He's still saying that if you keep the whole law, yet offend in one point, you're guilty of all.
Nowhere did Jesus say, and nowhere did the disciples, with writing scriptures in the New Testament after the death and resurrection of Christ, nowhere did anyone say, oh, but since the resurrection of Christ, you don't have to keep the Sabbath anymore.
So the Sabbath is perpetual.
So from the...
Good, good.
Yeah, and I want to reiterate that.
I don't want to do trivial pursuit, but I would be interesting.
So, of course, the Ten Commandments is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy.
So it's Exodus 20 and also the book of Deuteronomy.
They're identical except for one.
Do you know what the difference is?
It's okay.
I don't have to put you on the spot.
It's okay.
It's really important.
Does anyone know?
The Sabbath.
Do you guys know the difference?
It's the only difference, the only difference, everything identical, is that Moses says, honor the Shabbat, and it goes on, because you are no longer slaves like you were in Egypt.
Only slaves work all seven days, everybody.
It is a commandment that keeps you free.
You know how many wealthy slaves there are in Scottsdale, Arizona that work seven days a week, that have big mansions.
Moses is telling the people, understand the context.
This is Moses' farewell address.
This is before he's done.
He's been with these complaining, unimpressive former slaves for 40 years that have tried to kick him out.
So, who's this Moses guy?
Let's go back to Egypt.
The food was better.
We had meat, we had cucumbers, and we had leeks and we had melons.
We had all this stuff.
Who's this Moses guy?
We want to go back to laying bricks.
Moses basically five times goes to God, like, these are the worst people ever.
Can you just take me out of my misery?
And so, Moses is finally getting to the point where he's like, This is my farewell address.
Now, as we know in American politics, farewell addresses are really important: Washington's farewell address, Eisenhower's farewell address, Lincoln's, the very, very important stuff they say.
So, Moses is getting to the end of Deuteronomy, and he wants to remind these former slaves: hey, slaves, you're about to go into the land of milk and honey, you're about to go into Canaan.
Remember, if you actually want to be free, you don't work for seven days.
In fact, if you go back to ancient Roman literature, ancient Greek literature, even during the Inquisition of ancient Spanish, not ancient, but like 500-year-old Spanish literature, every place where the Jews honored the Sabbath, they would get made fun of by the occupying force.
The Romans would be like, Who are these Jews that don't work all the time?
Like, would they think they're better than us?
They take one day just about their family and for their people.
Hey, guess what?
The Jews are still around, and the ancient Roman Empire is not.
Because, and this is the more macro point, and I just want to say what Moses was saying in the book of Deuteronomy is that if you want to be a free people, you must honor the Sabbath.
I will go a step further.
You cannot have a free society if you're working for seven days a week.
You will be a slave to something in the worst possible way.
That's very well said.
Jesus also in Revelation, at the end of Revelation, made a farewell speech, and that's blessed are they that do his commandments, that they might have right to the tree of life and enter into the gates of the city.
So, again, as we were talking about the commandments, I think one of the biggest enemies of the Ten Commandments is the Christian church because they insist upon saying the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.
But again, I would ask them: if someone steals from you, there are preachers who preach against LGBTQ, they preach against the abortion, but they say the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.
And I say, Well, if the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross, why would that be wrong?
Why are you against it?
The Ten Commandments were not.
Paul says, Do basically, and I think it's Romans 3:31, do we basically do away with the law?
He says, God forbid, yea, we establish the law.
So, Jesus came to seek and save those which were lost.
And I'd like to say, in my closing part, thank you so much for what you're doing, the book that you're writing.
The end result is that to make heaven our home.
And I believe that when we surrender, submit, and commit our life to Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace.
No amount of works will get us into heaven.
So, no matter what I've just said, it will not get us into heaven.
Can I be saved by keeping the Ten Commandments?
No, I'm saved by the grace of God.
Can I be lost by not keeping the Ten Commandments?
Yes, when you reject what you know to be truth, some people say, well, how about all the people that keep Sunday or Friday or whatever?
Are they then lost?
Are they not going to heaven?
And I say, no, not necessarily.
God has people in all churches.
And I think there'll be people in heaven that probably never set foot in a church, but they didn't reject what they know to be truth.
So God winks in our ignorance.
So if somebody doesn't know something, they're not going to be held accountable for it because we serve a loving God who gave his life, no one took his life, who gave his life on the cross of Calvary so that his death would not be in vain, that everyone has the chance of eternal life because of his great love for a fallen man.
And I'm so excited to meet you, Charlie, and to I can't.
I look forward to your book on what you're doing.
It sounds very profound and will help us tremendously.
And Ivor, thank you for what you're doing for the cause of God.
And so we can talk, I'll leave that book with you.
I'd give you this one, but I've scribbled on it.
That's yours here.
I've written three books on the Ten Commandments twice removed with Shelly.
This is called The Truth About the Ten Commandments.
And we have the truth about the commandments.
So hopefully, today what people will see is that God in his infinite love and wisdom and love for fallen man is making a way that we can get out of this life, right?
Death, eternal death, to eternal life with him in heaven forever.
So thank the Lord for his mercy, his grace, and his love.
Thank you so much, Brother Daddy.
Thank you.
God bless.
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And so, Charlie, question for you.
So, when you say church, which church?
Is it a Vatican?
No.
So, in the scriptures, it says Christ used the word ecclesia.
And this is the other important thing, which is that we say separate your church and state, but I don't want to belabor the prior conversation without his ability to defend it.
But Christ did not use the word synague or temple.
Ecclesia was actually a secular Greek term that meant political gathering.
And so, Christ called us to get involved in politics.
He called us to get involved in the public square, intentionally in the Koine Greek.
So, by the church, we mean, and there's lots of interpretations, but I believe if you subscribe to the basic teachings of the Nicene Creed, which is if you believe in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ Jesus, the inerrancy of scripture, the virgin birth, right?
You believe in the creation of the world, you believe in the Decalogue, then you are part of a collective church.
I speak out more than almost anybody else on what I would call heretical teaching when people say that, well, you don't need the Old Testament, or they'll say that the Old Testament is flawed, or they'll say that, you know, Christ Jesus, he committed some miracles, but not all miracles.
So I wouldn't necessarily put them in the church, but when I say the broad church, there is, in the Nicene Creed, it uses the term Catholic Church.
It's actually a small C Catholic, not a big C Catholic church, and that means more the universal church.
I'm not here to say who's a Christian and who is not.
I'm going to allow Almighty God to basically make those final judgments and those determinations.
But here is what I will say, is that if Jesus is king of your life, And if you honor his commands the best ability you can, and you believe in the inerrancy of scripture, and you are teaching that, I would consider you as part of the broader Christian family.
You know, that is such a wonderful point that Charlie Kirk brings up.
And it's something that we should definitely be thinking about when you have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
The Sabbath is not a burden.
It ends up becoming a blessing.
And this is something very fascinating because when you have a relationship, now I was born and raised in the church.
One of the first things I learned was you have this list of things you're supposed to do, but until it actually became Jesus in my life being my Lord and Savior, I began to realize that keeping his law is not a burden.
It's wonderful.
You brought up a wonderful point about how you have to integrate it into your lifestyle.
And that's really what God is trying to bring.
He's trying to integrate himself into your whole lifestyle from day one to day two to day three, and he wants you to rest on that Sabbath day.
I think I came into one of the most fascinating discussions that are going on right now.
And Charlie, first of all, thank you again so much for being here.
Second of all, it's amazing that you yourself honored the Sabbath, and we are so very happy for that also.
Go ahead.
No, and I just want to say, everyone here has been so cheerful and so amazing and awesome that my message to churches is you are missing out so sorely by not honoring the Sabbath.
And my advice to all of you that care about the Sabbath, we need to become better evangelists for the practice of honoring the Sabbath, how it strengthens your marriage, how it deepens your connection to God.
And I think for some Christians, not all, that it might be the missing link of what they, you know, they're like, Charlie, I'm going to church, I'm tithing, I'm singing the songs, but there's something missing, and I think it might be not honoring the Sabbath.
There you go.
And let's even dive a little bit deeper into it, especially when it comes to the culture.
So when the church was a little bit more stronger in the American culture, we look at the early 1900s.
We go in to look at such directors as Cecil B. DeMille.
For those of you that remember the name, that is going to be the gentleman that wrote, that made the movie The Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur, Oscarworthy, blockbuster bestsellers.
And there's something very fascinating when you bring up about how we're supposed to approach and be in the culture.
I feel like in Christianity, we sort of took our foot off of the pedal, especially in Hollywood, in music and everything.
And as the old saying goes, nature abhors a vacuum.
And it seems like secularism and consumerism and many other things filled that void to the point that now that we are here in 2025, we can't even recognize Hollywood.
It feels like anytime we see an Oscars or something like that, there's a diatribe against not just Christianity, but America and everything else under the sun.
Would you agree with that, Charlie?
Without a doubt.
And look, part of the problem that I find with the issue of the Sabbath is one of distraction, that people are so distracted.
And it does come down to, do you believe that there is a God and you are him?
And if you believe those two things, then of course you should be, we're talking about one day a week.
And I love what you just said, is that it's the greatest blessing in my life to be able to turn off my devices.
Do you guys, I mean, look, we're only a couple hours away from sundown.
Don't you look forward to it?
Don't you?
Aren't you excited about it?
Absolutely.
How many of you have sometimes been ending a long business trip and it's been a tough week, but you're like, oh, I have this beautiful little mini heaven waiting for me around the corner, right?
I think we can do a much better job of just talking about how, and this is what won me over.
Remember, it was Dennis Prager, a religious Jew, who would go on his radio program and talk about that I do not have to do the Sabbath.
I get to do the Sabbath.
And he says, I feel sorry for those of you that can't.
And I would love to look at the data.
I know you have it.
I'm actually looking for it from my book.
But there has been some studies.
Shabbat observers live longer.
They're happier.
They're less likely to be depressed.
They're on less antidepressants.
They have a much more enriched, they're more present.
And I want to re-emphasize something I said prior, which is we are living in a hyper-sick society.
Our kids are sick.
Half of our kids are in antidepressants by the time they reach 18.
These screens are just destroying and frying our kids' brains.
And here we have, there's a whole chapter in my book dedicated to this.
Here we have this ancient gift waiting for us.
And it doesn't require mapping the human genome, of which I agree with everything the doctor said.
It just is, just honor God's commands.
You know, that is such a great point, especially when you want to bring up the research and data.
It was Dr. Tim Reisenberger that was speaking just yesterday, and he actually brought up the data to show that there's another denomination out there that doesn't use coffee, doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, but they don't live as long as Seventh-day Adventist.
Mormons, they follow the same almost dietary laws, but they don't live as long.
And one of the primary reasons that we would argue is the fact that we have the Seventh-day Sabbath that we keep, and that ability to rejuvenate your life and reset the whole week and just have a relationship with God and your family.
You get to honor Christ and you get to honor the church and get to honor your family.
It makes the biggest difference.
So I have a question for the prophets.
Which is, what is the role for the wife or the woman on Shabbat in the Seventh-day Adventist?
Because in Judaism, it's a very big problem.
It's called the Shabbat problem.
Are you guys aware of this?
That the wife actually works the hardest on Shabbat of all seven days.
She's got to prepare the meals.
No, it's a very serious, it's like non-joking.
In Seventh-day Adventist, is that as much of an issue or not as much?
No.
So I'm going to keep it that way.
We're going to say it very easily.
For us, absolutely not.
Because the man and the woman together, as they are joined in one unity in Christ, the husband submits unto God, the wife submits unto the husband.
It should be rest for the whole unit, is what I'm getting at.
Because in Shabbat, it's a very serious meal preparation that has to undergo on Friday and then Saturday night.
And the old joke is that I'll finally get some rest when Shabbat is over.
And that's terrible.
That's not God's design for us.
Exactly.
It shouldn't be a place of labor.
And the second is, my other question is for the priest or the pastor in Seventh-day Adventist.
Is that a laborious day?
Is there teaching on the Shabbat?
I'm curious, enlighten me.
So our pastors and our eldership, meaning the laity that is a part of the church, when it comes to the Sabbath, we tend to delegate who is going to do certain functions on the Sabbath.
The pastor will speak, but there's a whole function and form of the church that gets to pitch in.
Everybody's involved in the Sabbath.
It's not just one guy running the show.
In the Adventist faith, and we also believe in the Christian faith, everybody is involved.
And because you love your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, you want to do his will.
That's great.
And that's the second thing is that in Judaism, at least, the rabbi is exhausted by the end of Shabbat, right?
He's doing services all day long.
And it's just, I believe it should be a rest for all followers of God.
That it needs to be a place where you're able to completely cease operation.
And allow me to just remind you that Shabbat means stop.
It means to stop what you are doing, to cease, to cancel, and to suspend.
I know it's such a beautiful thing, the fourth commandment.
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, six days shall thou labor and do all thy work.
But on the seventh is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God is a beautiful commandment.
So that is absolutely for everyone.
I'm going to make an argument that you guys may have never heard before because it's connected to the, let's just say, vegetarian.
Is that a better way to put it?
Animals make an appearance in the Ten Commandments.
Yeah.
Because they get a Shabbat.
Yes, they get to rest.
It is the first time in the ancient world that there's a recognition from the Almighty that animals are not simply just to be used all the time for your purpose.
That they're not the same as human beings, but they deserve a time of rest.
Amen.
It's a beautiful teaching that animals are not made in the image of God, but they are created.
and that they should not be abused and they should also be given rest.
I think that's a lesser appreciated beauty of the Ten Commandments.
Amen.
Thank you so much.
Did you want to say anything else, Victor?
No, I just want to say that no matter what you're going through and whatever we're having in your lives, just take a cue.
If you want to experiment with the Sabbath, maybe you're not keeping it in your life.
Try it.
Keep 24 hours.
Just do it.
Take your family, deplug, take yourself away from the internet.
Be able to just take in the Lord.
Open up your Bibles, congregate.
Come, let us worship the Spirit of the Lord.
Worship God in spirit and in truth.
I would actually challenge every single one in the audience, and if you're watching from around the world, try the Sabbath.
God will bless you.
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So keep it up.
I could tell you honor the Sabbath.
And so thank you for warmly welcoming me.
It's really awesome.
Secondly, this church that we're currently in is Dream City Church.
We should give it up for them.
They're wonderful hosts here.
They have been amazing.
Behind the scenes, on the stage, everything.
They are great.
If you live here in the Phoenix area, we do a weekly, monthly event here, actually, right here at this church.
We have Alan Jackson coming up Wednesday.
If anything I said interested you, final thing I'll say, if you are honoring the Sabbath, talk about it more.
Talk about it favorably and positively.
Try to bring the Shabbat to the world.
And I have here, that's why I was looking at this actually.
It's very important.
One of the last parts of this is, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
One of my most important beliefs is the Ten Commandments were not just written for Jews or Christians.
It was written for all of humanity.
And I believe that all of humanity, whether they're in Tokyo or New Delhi or in London, would be blessed if they honored the Sabbath.
If you are currently watching this online and you're not honoring the Shabbat and you are feeling depression and exhaustion and fatigue, there is something that costs you nothing.
You don't have to take on a loan.
All you have to do is commit to God and to stop what you are doing for one day a week.
It will change your life.
It will grow you closer to the divine.
And it is, what do we learn?
We learn that through faith comes the hard things.
That Abraham worked through faith.
In the Hall of Faith of Hebrews, we see here that faith will drive you and it will strengthen your faith.
If you say, oh, I'm too busy, I need to work that day, I will challenge you that God will bless you immeasurably.
It might not be a bigger bank account, but you'll be more at peace, you'll have more rest, and I believe that our country, our nation, our civilization will be enriched the more that we can return one day, the seventh day, back to the Lord.
The peace that passes all understandings.
Amen to that.
Thank you, Victor.
Thanks, man.
Nice to meet you.
So we have Graham Hood from Australia.
He's travelled all the way through.
I love this guy.
He's great.
He has amazing testimony.
How are you?
So, Graham, tell us your experience on Sabbath.
You were a pilot, right?
So how did you manage flying during Sabbath or did you not fly during Sabbath?
Well, it was really interesting because my job, I got a month roster in advance.
Most of the time, I was senior enough to be able to keep the Sabbath off.
And when I realised that there were times when I couldn't do that, most of the time I was able to give it to somebody who wanted to work the overtime.
And I thought to myself, you know what, I'm giving flying.
I'm giving work to somebody who's going to take it.
So I'm actually creating work by not going on it.
And then there were thoughts when I thought to myself, if I don't work on those days, then I'm going to lose all that income.
And that's going to be quite a significant amount.
But I'm saving up for my inheritance in heaven.
That's the main reason I'm doing it.
So at several occasions, about 10 occasions over 10 years, I had the call from my boss saying, if you don't go to work on the Sabbath, we're going to have to cancel flights and people are going to be disrupted all over the place.
And I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and I thought, well, I could go sick, but what's the point of breaking one commandment to keep another?
If you're lying, you're not sick.
That's key, yeah.
So every time I prayed and I decided to go to work, I turned that day into God's day.
I was looking for opportunities to minister to people, because it's okay to do good on the Sabbath, right?
We agree on that.
So I was always into welfare when I was flying.
I had a reputation as being somebody who could be approached.
And every time I went to work, there was somebody I needed to minister to, whether it was a member of the crew or some ground staff or whatever.
I always felt good when I came back that I actually did good for God.
Then when the rallies came up, because people might know that I'm sort of fairly active in that scene in Australia, most of the rallies were conducted on a Saturday.
I was asked, because I was one of the main speakers during that whole campaign, I was asked to attend the rallies on a Saturday.
And I said, no, I can't do it on a Saturday.
I can do it any other day.
And there was a big rally in Sydney that was organised, and they said to me, look, there'll be 350,000 people there.
Can you please reconsider?
And I said, no.
And they said, at least pray about it, because your words might encourage other people.
And so lo and behold, I prayed and I prayed and I prayed.
And I sat upright in bed one morning at 2.30 and God had impressed me, you're not going to a rally, you're going to church.
So I went to that rally in Sydney and I spoke about the Sabbath and I prayed for the people and I went up there in front of 350,000 people and I said to them, and I was asked not to pray and not to mention God before I went up, but I went up to them and I said, look, today is my Sabbath day.
I'm a Sabbath keeper and I'm not actually at a rally.
You guys don't mind, you are my church for today.
And everyone cheered.
Then I prayed.
All I do at the rallies is mainly pray and tell people that Jesus is coming sooner to get ready.
I pray and I do that at every rally.
The largest rally I ever attended, we believe, was 1.2 million people.
So we have, as a result of speaking on the Sabbath, I can tell you that almost a million great controversies have been given out in Australia at these rallies.
I can tell you that we have baptised 350 people in the last year and the message of God has gone out loud and clear to the extent that my beautiful wife Michelle and I have been praying for thousands of people at these rallies.
We sit there for four hours taking this stream of people, many of whom are atheists, who say to us, can you please pray for me?
I don't believe in God, but can you please pray for me?
So I believe God has a work for us to do.
And one of the most profound ⁇ I'm cutting you out of having something to say.
You sure?
I've been up here for a while.
One of the most profound things that happened on the, I think it was the last day that I worked on a Sabbath at Qantas, Australia's flag carrier.
It was a trip of fly from Brisbane to Sydney on a Friday evening, get there at close of Sabbath, go to the hotel, come out the next morning at 8 o'clock, fly from Sydney to Alice Springs and back to Sydney, and then I would get back to Sydney right on close of Sabbath.
I'm thinking, sure, there's got to be someone I can minister to, right?
So I'm flying along down to Brisbane and I said to my co-pilot, hey, how you going?
And he said, yeah, I'm really good.
How's life?
Fine.
I said, no, fine's a weather forecast.
How are you really going?
No, everything's great.
I'm thinking, what can I do?
And I'd asked all the cabin crew as they came up, I'd ask the same question.
And I thought to myself, I hope this improves tomorrow, because if I don't find anyone to minister to tomorrow, I'm going to feel really bad about myself.
And the whole day I went to Alice Springs and back to Sydney, nothing.
I got off the aeroplane.
I was so dejected as the sun was going down behind the terminal.
I got off the aeroplane and I said to my co-pilot, I don't want to stay in this cockpit any longer.
He knew that I was really angry with myself.
I'm going to stand up against the back wall of the terminal and I will wait for you to come off the aeroplane and I'll meet you there and then we'll go to the hotel from there.
He said, okay, boss, I understand.
So I'm standing up against the back wall and all the passengers are coming off the Aerobridge and everyone got off the aeroplane except for the last two, a couple.
And as they walked past me, the lady said, happy Sabbath.
And I said, happy Sabbath, how did you know?
She said, I've seen you give your testimony on television.
And I said, really?
She said, yeah, you're the porn guy, right?
Because my testimony is overcoming porn addiction.
Yeah, I'm the porn guy.
What a label.
I'm glad you haven't got a label like that, believe me.
And I said to her, well, thank you for recognising me.
And she said, I believe you're preaching at a church in Brisbane next week.
Can my husband and I come along?
And I said, of course you can come along.
And he looked at me as white as a ghost.
So the next Sabbath they came to the church and I gave my testimony in the church and I sat up the back with him and I said, what's going on?
Why are you so nervous and shaky about all of this?
He said, well, we went to Alice Springs for a holiday in the red centre of Australia and we had planned to fly out on the Monday and we got a call from the airline two days before saying that you have to fly out on the Saturday because we've cancelled the Monday flight and if you don't fly out on the Saturday you're going to have to go on the Wednesday and it's going to cost you another $800.
They said but we're Sabbath keepers.
We don't travel on a Saturday.
They said, well, they're your options.
They decided that they were going to take the trip that was offered.
While they were getting ready in the motel to pack up and come to the airport to join the flight that I was operating, this gentleman had gone to have a shower and his wife had had a shower previously and she was packing his bag while he was having a shower ready to depart the hotel.
She opened his computer to turn his computer off and she found pornography on his computer.
He had had an issue ever since he was in puberty with pornography, like I did and like most other men do.
She said to him, this is it.
I can't deal with this anymore.
Our marriage is over.
He said, honey, please don't, because he'd been watching pornography while she was in the shower.
Please don't, please don't.
You know, our marriage is really important.
And she said, no, I'm done with this.
I'm done with this.
I've asked you to get help and you never do.
You never seek anyone out who can help you.
He said, who's going to help me?
She said, what about that Graham Hood guy?
You've seen his testimony.
You've watched it several times.
Why don't we find a way to contact him?
He said, how would I know how to contact him?
if God wants me to talk to Graham Hood, he'll send me a sign.
And so as it turned out, I was the pilot operating the flight from Alice Springs to Sydney and therefore it was my job to make the PA announcement to the passengers.
He got on the aeroplane and we departed.
When we departed, I picked up the microphone.
I said, ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain.
My name is Graeme Hood.
Welcome aboard.
And I felt the aeroplane trembling down the back.
Anyhow, as a result of him coming to the sermon that I did the week after, we talked, we got them into a marriage boot camp that my wife Michelle and I run and we believe they're still going today.
So God had a reason.
God had a reason.
My approach to the Sabbath, Charlie, isn't as much theological as it is.
Everything that you've suggested so far and everything that you've said, we love the Sabbath.
We look forward to the Sabbath.
And I see it as when God says to me, remember something, I need to remember that.
I keep it really, really simple.
And I lead a lot of people to the Sabbath by keeping it really simple.
Another way I look at it is this, that if your earthly father, who you love and adored, if you have a father that you adored, you know how I feel.
My father died many years ago, but I loved him, even though he wasn't the world's best dad.
But if he gave me a precious gift that he put a lot of time into giving me, and he went on to Facebook Marketplace two or three weeks afterwards and saw that gift for sale on the internet, it would break his heart.
Wouldn't you agree?
I see this as how God would look at that.
I believe when the Sabbath was changed, we said, hey, God, we really love that idea of the Sabbath, but you know, it doesn't quite fit into our schedule.
So if you don't mind, we'll change the day.
Is that okay with you?
The only commandment he says to remember, I don't know about you guys, but I'm not going to take that chance.
It's honour the Sabbath or potentially die.
That's the way I see it.
Do you want to say anything?
That's it.
No, I mean, I could talk about this all day long.
I do want to emphasise one thing.
I love that, because sometimes I have to break the Sabbath and it's hard.
We're doing an event or a conference or it's tough.
I mean, you know what that's like, where if people are counting on my appearance, that's where it gets very difficult, because then I don't want to lie, I don't want to mislead.
But remember that the commandment, as much as it is to honour the Sabbath, is that for six days you shall work.
It's also a commandment to work and to be fruitful and multiply the other six days.
What I have found is that it creates healthy urgency, those other six days, to be more productive because there is an end in sight.
Whereas it's not just this cyclical motion, you know, perpetual motion machine of seven days of work and no respite, but God wants us to work.
And that is what's critically important: if you shall not work, you shall not eat, the scriptures say that it doesn't want you to rest for seven days, and vacations are fine and all of that.
But to work for God's purposes is an equal part of that commandment that is sometimes missed.
Amen.
Amen.
All right, friends.
So, with that, we're going to conclude our panel discussion with Charlie Kirk.
And we will continue to discuss later, you and I, regarding some of the topic, especially blue laws and so forth.
We'll talk later.
We also have a small gift for you.
Thank you.
It's another book, but I would emphasize and encourage that you read this book, Great Controversy.
And so I'm sure it'll help understand more fully about the Sabbath.
Okay, thank you so much, everybody.
And I just want to say in closing: remember the Sabbath day, keep it holy.
