How Charlie Rescued Erika from the "Boss Babe" Dead-End
Before his death, Charlie was invited to appear at the New York Times's high-profile "Dealbook" event. Yesterday, Erika stepped into Charlie's shoes and offered a testimony of how Charlie saved her from a disastrous life trajectory. The show plays clips from Erika's appearance, and talks to Adam Wren about disturbing new court transcripts that reveal the horrifying details of Islamic immigrant rape gangs in Britain. Sean Davis reacts to the Tennessee special election and the declining state of college football. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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All right, welcome back to hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show.
I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show, joined by, as always, Blake Neff in our home studio back in Arizona.
And we are joined this hour at the top of it by Sean Davis, CEO and co-founder of the Federalist.
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And I had to update it so people find me.
Anyways, I'm going to help you with this, Sean Davis.
So we've got really three topics, and there is a press conference that we are awaiting on this pipe bombing arrest that's been made in Virginia.
But we have three topics to get to.
And I think they are all equally as important.
So we've got this Tennessee race.
You are a Tennessee local there.
I don't know if she was, I don't know if this race, Tennessee 7, is your district, Sean.
Is that your actual district?
It is, yeah.
Okay.
What do you make of the outcome here?
Trump won it by a margin of 22.
We had Van Eps win it by plus nine.
A lot of people are taking that one of two ways.
What is the big takeaway that the base needs to hear right now, Sean Davis?
So the word that I keep hearing from people around here about that race is relief.
It was a close race until about two weeks ago.
I think it was within the margin of error.
Then there was a big national push to expose this Looney Tunes woman, Afton Bain, is a total left-wing communist kook who hated the city, hate the people who live here, hate the state.
And that was a top-down effort from Trump all the way down.
On the Monday before the election, there was a massive get out the vote rally with every statewide elected Republican in Tennessee.
And I think that last-minute charge, that last minute push to define her and get out the vote really made a difference.
So in looking at the race, I don't think it was a massive victory, nor do I think it was a doomsday warning.
I think it is a sign that Republicans have a lot that they still need to do between now and November.
You'll hear some people say that this is an R plus 10 district.
I think that's what the Cook political partisan voter index says.
I don't care.
That's not it.
This is a plus 20 R district.
Mark Green won the same district by 22 in 22.
Trump won it by 22.
That should be what people are winning by as Republicans here.
So a nine-point victory is a sign that we have a lot of work to do.
It's not a sign of triumphalism.
Yay, we won.
We have nothing to worry about.
Nor is it a sign of doomerism that we're screwed.
We've got another 11 months to the election, and Republicans have to get to work putting together a message and an agenda that proves that they're acting on the things that people want them to do.
Yeah, I mean, Blake, feel free to chime in here.
I think that a couple things happen.
We are proving that we are absolutely abysmal at off-year elections.
We just are.
And we could try and identify what the source of that terrible performance is, whether it's we're a low-prop party, whether it's our GOTV is not what it needs to be, which is a fact.
It's not even debatable at this point.
Now, turning point action, we have a massive get-out-the-vote program called Chase the Vote.
We do that in specific areas.
We are not active with paid staff or any huge effort in Tennessee.
We simply have to choose our battles there, and we have to deploy resources in a prudent way.
And that is not where we're active.
But there is local GOP, there are RNC groups on the ground.
As you said, they got activated late.
Yeah.
Sean, you tell us.
What do you think the biggest driver of why we, frankly, are struggling in some of these off-year, lower-prop elections compared to, I feel when I was a young adult, the GOP was seen as stronger in some of those off-elections?
Yeah, I think the main reason is that outside of Trump, the Republican Party is kind of having an identity crisis.
People love Trump.
Kind of low-prop voters who aren't traditionally identified with either party, they like Trump.
He has energy.
He has a vision.
He has an agenda.
Everyone understands what Donald Trump believes, whether they love him or hate him.
Everyone knows what he believes.
I don't know if you can say that about the Republican Party apart from Trump.
And it's the Republican Party apart from Trump that is always on the ballot in off-year elections.
Yes, Trump is there.
He's able to do get out the vote.
He's able to do rallies.
But his name not being on the ballot makes a big difference.
And so I think the GOP is really having an identity crisis that's driven by a lot of the old establishment, people who've been in office for 20 or 30 years, still wanting to take the party back to 2002 or 2003, the heady days of the Iraq war and GOP corporatism.
And they don't really like this new MAGA Trump.
They can't really come out and say that.
They can't say that they don't like the MAGA agenda.
So they kind of just have to like sit back and quietly stifle it while pretending they're doing good things.
And what you end up with there is a party that just looks completely scarotic and kind of neutered.
And that's a hard party to get people to jazzed up to vote for in an off-year.
So that's my take.
I was thinking an aspect of this is also it is that there's an old guard that really does wish to rewind before Trump.
But I think it's also the case.
Trump himself does have this special gravity around him.
He does make the entire world obsessed with him.
Everything in American politics has revolved around him since 2015.
He has not been shy about redefining the Republican Party around his personal brand, his personal identity, and that has upsides.
He really does whip people up the way no one else can.
But we see the downside, which is without him, there is that void of enthusiasm.
Well, yeah, and I completely agree with that.
But yeah, I think, you know, we are, there's doubt that we are at a nader in the enthusiasm levels.
The summer, a lot of the infighting, there's just no doubt, right?
And again, we have this issue with off-cycle elections.
Now, President Trump has pivoted.
The administration has pivoted.
You're starting to hear a lot more about the affordability crisis.
You're starting to hear a lot more about plans and creative ideas to address housing.
And most importantly is what I would say that, yeah, he has a gravitational pull.
He defines all of politics, not just Republican politics, but left and right in this country.
But you saw this third world immigration moratorium take effect.
And if you talk to pollsters like Rich Barris, he and I were communicating on this.
There was a jump massively, we talked about on the show on enthusiasm for the base Republican voters.
And so when he's polling the Third World Immigration Moratorium, which is a core component, a core plank of the MAGA movement of the populist right movement is to get our immigration house in order.
You saw a jump immediately in the enthusiasm for voters.
Rich's contention, and this was my prediction, was that this race would have been even closer had President Trump not come out with that moratorium following the ambush, assassination, and nearly two of the National Guardsmen in just blocks away from the White House.
Had he not come out with something bold and unapologetic, we would have seen an even closer race.
You have to give voters something to get enthusiastic about.
When you have a low-propensity party like we do, and obviously it's a mix, but there is now more low props in our movement than there were before Donald Trump.
There's just no doubt.
When you have a low-prop party, you have to increase enthusiasm.
You have to increase attention.
And that's ultimately, to Sean's point, in the last final run-up to this, we finally got on the ball.
National Republican apparatus got engaged.
We started messaging on it.
And then you had this moratorium.
Boom, nine points.
Is it still too close?
Yes, absolutely.
Is it still a warning?
Yes.
Is it triumphalism?
No, absolutely not.
But at least we saw an eight, nine-point victory.
And what we were seeing could have been within the margin of error before that.
So I think what we need to do is we need to make sure we're giving voters what they want.
That's ultimately what the lesson is here.
I think it's important to tackle immigration not just as a standalone issue, because it's part of a much broader sense that we're losing our country.
We can't afford to buy homes.
We can't find jobs.
Stuff doesn't work anymore.
So it's not just, oh, we don't like immigrants.
They need to go home.
That's not the case.
It's that people feel the sense that they can't do things in their country that they believe they should be allowed to, that the American dream is just being whittled away and eroded away.
And immigration is a big part of that.
When people think they can't get ahead, even when they follow the rules, that they'll never be able to buy a house, that they'll never pay down their college debt, that they'll never get a good job, that they'll never be able to raise their family on one income.
That is where the immigration thing plays in.
And so I think it's really important for Republicans to put that in the context of rebuilding the American dream and restoring the American dream for Americans.
Yeah, Sean, that's such a good point.
But just when people equate the immigration desires of the base, of MAGA base, and they equate it with xenophobia or bigotry or racism, it couldn't be further from the truth.
And we really need to keep hammering that home.
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I was talking with Sean prepping for this segment today, and he really wanted to hit the Lane Kiffen story out of the SEC, which was funny, Sean, because the other gentleman with amazing hair on this screen right now also has been begging to hit this story.
So I'm going to throw it to Blake first and say, Blake, set the table, and then Sean, you tell us why this is important.
We know Charlie was a big Oregon Ducks fan.
I have the, I don't know.
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We have that mascot here.
He loved following college football.
He would have actually been all over this.
We would have definitely been talking about it with him because a lot of news happened over the weekend about, you know, we had the attack in D.C., we had the Somali story.
We had this insurrection.
But for a normal middle American, it's quite possible their biggest story for them is Lane Kiffen, the coach at Ole Miss.
He has decided to take an offer to go to LSU for more fame, basically.
It's a bigger, more stout program with more national championships.
People are very outraged about it.
They feel he's betrayed his school.
But I feel it also is emblematic of how college football is today, where basically every player is on a one-year, they can get paid now.
They're basically on a one-year free agency deal with a college.
They can get in the transfer portal and go wherever you want.
But what do you make of it, Sean?
So I love Lane Kiffin for making himself the most hatable person in all of college sports.
Like college sports thrives on hatred and rivalries.
And quite honestly, all the reorgs and the conferences, we've lost a lot of those old-timey rivals and hatred.
And so I love Lane being himself, doing the heel turn, because he did it to Tennessee.
You know, he got fired at USC and left on the tarmac.
I love that he's doing this, that he's doing it in conference, because it is going to make the LSU game in Oxford next year absolutely amazing.
But I will say, loyalty is not entirely dead in college football.
It's not all about the money.
It's not all about the fame.
I say that as a Texas Tech Red Raider, guns up in Wreckham.
Our coach was asked about this earlier this week, and he said, I don't care about any of it.
You're going to bury me in Lubbock.
So not all of the college coaches are villains.
Some of them are awesome, like Joey McGuire at Texas Tech in Lubbock, Texas.
What?
Wreckham.
As a U-Wub graduate and a Husky fan, when we had Kalen DeBoer, we lost in the national championship.
Everybody was willing to sort of give Kaylin DeBoer this keys to the city that he was going to be a king in a very, listen, it's not the biggest empire in America, the U-W, but they have a very proud football tradition.
And we were hoping that he was going to stay.
And of course he didn't.
He had to go to Alabama, where he is absolutely in a meat grinder.
I mean, to be in that program and following in the heels of one of the greatest to ever do it, if not the greatest to ever do it.
I do not envy him.
And he's sort of getting his just deserves.
What is he?
Ranked 10?
Was he Danny 10?
10 in the nation?
Two losses.
It's not good enough for Alabama football.
So sometimes you get what you wish for.
But I agree with you, Sean.
It is really good for college football to have a villain.
And Lane Kiffin is one of those personalities that can totally embrace it, step right into it.
I told you on the photo, I was like, you better have some good security going into Oxford, Mississippi.
We did an Ole Miss event this year with JD Vance and Erica Kirk.
And it was one of the most enthusiastic events I've ever been to.
That student body's riled up.
They're very proud of their football program.
And they're doing well this year.
And so they're not even going to let him finish out the season.
That's how cutthroat this is for if you're in Mississippi.
And so I just, I celebrate this.
Lane Kiffin's like a Trump supporter.
He's super entertaining when it comes to talking to the press and the media.
He'll go places that other coaches will not dare to.
And now he's at LSU, and the SEC has a big-time rivalry, an unexpected big-time rivalry, probably center stage, which is outshining all the others.
Yeah, it's going to be amazing.
I cannot wait for the next season of football.
Obviously, we're not done with this one yet.
The number four Texas Tech Raiders, Red Raiders heading into the championship this weekend.
If I haven't said it, recommend guns up.
Oh, man.
You just said it.
But I just do, I do feel, I feel a little pain.
I've always been more of an NFL fan.
I grew up in South Dakota.
It's a bit of a college football black hole in relative terms.
But it just seems money is going to be the inevitable thing.
The coaches all want to go where there's either the most prestige or the most cash.
And the players largely want to do the same thing.
And it's so easy to transfer.
I just, I worry in 10 years, we'll look back on what we lost and we'll feel a lot more pain about it.
I fear.
Yeah.
Sean, I agree with, I actually agree with Blake.
I think this is going to create a race the top and the mid-level schools.
We're not going to be talking about them as much in 10 years.
But who's going to win the national championship this year?
Ohio State looks really, really good.
Their defense is ridiculous.
Their offense is off the charts.
But they stand no chance against the Texas Tech Raiders of Lubbock, Texas.
Oh, my gosh.
All right, fine.
What about Indiana?
Indiana this year.
Oh, come on.
This is really impressive.
We'll find out Saturday.
Sean Davis.
Yeah, Sean Davis, the man, the myth, the legend.
Thanks for joining us.
Thanks, guys.
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Joining us now on the show is Adam Wren.
He's the director of Open Justice UK.
And there is a lot of breaking news out of the United Kingdom when it comes to these grooming gangs and the story that has been boiling under the surface for many years in that country.
But then with the help of Elon Musk and others, it has been brought to the fore and they're doing some great work.
Blake, why don't you give us a little primer and help us welcome Adam to the show here?
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Hey, Adam, glad to have you.
Can you hear us?
I can.
Can you hear me?
Excellent.
Excellent.
So, yeah, I guess let's just tee up your work.
This is a cause Charlie cared a lot about.
He cared a lot about the fate of the United Kingdom and how it could be a country that represents America's future in a lot of ways.
And we're revisiting what's been a story for a while, which is these grooming gangs, mostly linked to immigrants or immigrant-derived people in or immigrant-derived people in the United Kingdom.
And they were grooming and sexually assaulting, sexually abusing British girls.
And you've been working to really bring forth to the public the full details of what happened with these grooming gangs.
I think it's going to catch people here off guard just how much of this wasn't known, how much little transparency there was.
But how about you set this up for us?
What have you been releasing the last couple of days?
So, yes, thank you for the introduction.
The crimes have been known for a long time, decades, but the full details of them were never released.
And that includes partly just the genuine barbarity of these crimes.
These girls were not just being sexually abused, they were being raped in horrific, really unspeakable ways.
And in some cases, tortured.
There's no equivocation.
There's no other language that can be used to describe what happened to them.
And I think it was the release of the first transcripts around January that really brought home to the public that these aren't normal crimes and they have been covered up by the police, by social services, and by our government.
And the reality, I think, is really starting to hit home with people.
This release that we've just done this last week has more than doubled, more than tripled, actually, the current number of sentencing remarks.
A number of these documents are now in the public.
They are available to read at transcripts.openjustice uk.org.
And it's, yeah, I mean, the dam is really breaking on this stuff.
Yeah, you say sentencing remarks.
So I think in the United States, we would see it as a default that court hearings are public, that the sentence remarks of a judge would be public.
It's generally here not difficult to get.
You might not have cameras in a courtroom, but you'll virtually always have at least the transcripts of what is going on in court and what a judge would say.
But that's apparently not the norm in the UK.
And I believe they've tried to charge you huge sums of money to get these, haven't they?
Yeah, it's very true.
So in the US legal system, transcripts are made automatically just in case a hearing, you know, a trial has to go to an appeal court.
In the UK, that's absolutely not the case.
You'd have to request them.
And a judge has to accept that you have a good reason for requesting them.
So we actually had a number of judges deny us.
One judge actually denied us with the justification that having this information in the public was not conductive to the public good.
It wouldn't help the conversation that was happening.
And then even when the judges do allow us to get the transcripts, in some cases, we were quoted £30,000.
It's just inaccessible to a victim.
We've only been able to do this because we've crowdfunded the money to acquire them.
Yeah, and I can't, frankly, I can't read all of these because they're just too graphic for our audience.
But I just want to, you guys, anyone who's listening should go look up OpenJustice UK and read these.
They're freely available now, but it's describing what's going on.
So these are gangs, again, mostly migrant-related, and they would sort of pick up underage UK girls, 12, 13, 14 years old, and they would sort of, they would groom them and eventually just begin sexually assaulting them.
And what we're seeing in these is you have it where they're threatened with violence if they don't have sex with multiple different men.
We have cases where there's, for example, a migrant-owned taxi company where they're basically engaging in prostitution rings.
And there's this strong racial element to it as well, where they're told, hey, we're taking over your country.
This is what's happening to you now.
They're told, we do this to you because we won't do this to Asian women.
Asian in the UK refers to a lot of migrants from South Asia.
It's incredibly appalling stuff.
And again, it's practically too graphic.
They were older, some in their 30s, sometimes up to three different men a day, multiple times a day.
It's truly jarring stuff.
And a question that's also being asked online right now, and maybe you can answer this, Adam.
Why aren't these, these apparently also weren't treated as hate crimes?
Yeah, I mean, in some of the transcripts we've released just this week, as you said, they're explicitly targeting these girls because of their race.
I won't read the excerpts because they are very disturbing.
But you're right.
We have provisions in this country where crimes sentences should be aggravated if somebody is targeted for a protected characteristic.
That could be religion, race.
Not a single one of these cases, to my awareness, has had that aggravating sentencing applied.
It seems to be that they weren't prosecuted for a hate crime or a race crime, despite it being laid out in black and white that these girls were targeted for being white.
It's absolutely unbelievable.
Yeah, Andrew, if you want to come in.
Yeah, so it occurs to me that it's these crime.
I've been reading these transcripts while you guys have been discussing this back and forth.
And I'm just horrified at it.
I mean, the victim six, I'm reading, was a particularly vulnerable young girl.
She had been abused from the age of seven by various men.
She knew you, Mr. Hussain, and you from when she was 14.
I mean, she was placed in children's homes and getting abused.
I can't even read the rest of it, obviously, as you guys have already said.
But in the UK, there seems to be this push for decades against transparency, against releasing this information.
It almost feels like a cover-up.
First question, what's behind that?
Why wouldn't the leadership in the UK, the justice officials want to expose this?
And then secondly, in this new era, post-Elon Musk blowing the lid off this story, I know there was other people working diligently behind the scenes.
He just provided an amplification, a microphone to it.
Are you seeing whatever that stranglehold on the truth is?
Are you seeing it break?
Yeah, so it's an excellent question.
I think there has been a cover-up.
Yeah.
And I think it's partly because it's very, very difficult to discuss race, especially when all of the discussions around race and around institutional racism are orientated towards white people being the perpetrators.
It's very, very difficult to discuss things like people being targeted for their race when white people are the victims.
You know, we talk about rape culture, but there are cases here where, you know, men will call up their uncles, their cousins, their nephews, and they will say, you know, we have this girl.
You know, we have her.
Do you want to come over and help us rape her?
And, you know, if that's not rape culture, then what is, right?
It's unbelievable.
It's endemic.
So I think it's very difficult to discuss this within the paradigm that we've been taught about how race and race relations and institutions interact.
And I think it's also the case that many of the people that were involved in these gangs were in positions of power.
They were working for or with the local police, with the local councils, with the local government.
And these crimes have been happening for so long that maybe now some of those people are quite senior.
They've been promoted.
They've gone on to other jobs.
And they are, you know, they have the ability to shut down investigations, to order information destroyed.
So, yeah, without a doubt, cover-up.
And you're right.
It's breaking.
It is breaking, yeah.
So, this is the second part of your question there, it is breaking.
We had an excellent review by a woman called Baroness Louise Casey, who was working for the government.
And she's actually, you know, closely associated with our civil service and with labor.
Some people, some people think that they're the main perpetrators of this, but she was very brave.
And she came out with a very, very strong review where she outlined that there has been a cover-up, that the media has been very irresponsible in its reporting, and the files have been deleted, and that the perpetrators of these are predominantly Pakistani Muslim men.
And since that report, we've seen the media more willing to engage on it.
We've seen people more willing to tell the truth.
We've seen more survivors coming forward.
I think the dumb is breaking.
Yeah, things are improving quite substantially.
You really, I really want people to check out.
You can find good excerpts on Adam's X account at GoAdam.
It's G0ADM at X. He's got some great excerpts there, or you can go to transcripts.openjusticeuk.org.
Check those out.
Yeah.
Thank you, Adam, for joining us.
It's a truly horrifying story, but thank you for making the time to tell our audience about it.
Thank you.
Well, thank you for inviting me.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's just horrible.
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We would be remiss if we did not bring up what Erica was doing yesterday.
And she was in New York.
She was talking about, she was with Andrew Ross Sorkin, who people might be surprised was a friend of Charlie's.
They actually had a pretty warm relationship.
They disagreed on a lot of things.
Andrew Ross Sorkin had invited Charlie out to Deal Book, which is a major event in liberal circles.
Gavin Newsom was on just before Erica, believe it or not.
And Erica wanted to honor what Charlie had committed to and go in his place.
And she did a great job.
We were very proud of her.
I was, like I said, I was doing another podcast, met up with them for this deal book thing.
So let's play a clip from this.
We were very proud of her.
328.
We are living in a day and age where they think violence is the solution to them not wanting to hear a different point of view.
That's not a gun problem.
That's a human, deeply human problem.
And, you know, Blake, she got asked about all kinds of political questions.
And I think Sorkin kind of threw stuff that, you know, other people hadn't asked her about.
And I thought she handled it extraordinarily well with a lot of grace and composure.
She did.
She did.
I think another, she got into the personal dimension as well, talking about her life with Charlie.
And I think this is probably what's gotten the most focus is this statement that she said.
She talks basically about how Charlie helped get her out of the, call it the boss babe track in New York City.
Let's play 324.
I will be fully transparent.
I was fully bought into the boss babe.
I mean, I lived in Manhattan.
Charlie essentially plucked me out of the New York City orbit and was like, no, I have a healthier way of viewing things and looking at life and things like that.
And he was right.
He was right.
And I remember thinking, if I would have stayed on that path I was on, I would have lost out on some of the most beautiful moments of my life.
Children, having a husband, being able to create and build something so incredible.
Yeah, there is a lot of that.
I think the liberal media establishment is freaking out.
Like, why did you invite Erica Kirk to tell women they shouldn't pursue a career?
And that's not dragging.
Charlie dragged a lot of people kicking and screaming from New York, from D.C., from California.
Dragged them out to the desert where it rains way more often than people say.
And he built something amazing.
I actually have a funny story about that.
I was trying to get home.
I'd been gone for 18 days trying to get back to my family after everything happened.
And there was like torrential downpour.
All the flights were canceled in Phoenix.
They were like, it's the most rain we've had in seven years.
And I was like, what the heck is happening?
Like, I cannot, I guess, you know, it was like a sign that Phoenix was.
The world's going to learn the truth.
Phoenix is a fake desert.
It rains all the time here.
It rains a lot.
No, but I'm just, I just want to make this point because Erica did this.
She goes into the lion's den, into the liberal core in New York City and Manhattan and takes whatever questions are thrown her way.
And she did it to honor her husband.
Charlie was going to go to that event.
I was going to be with him.
And we booked it a long time ago.
Obviously, Charlie was not able to do that.
And Erica honored that commitment.
And that's just the kind of person she is.
And I just couldn't say enough good things.
And candidly, I felt like Andrew Ross Sorkin did a good job.
He was not mean in any way.
He was very warm and sympathetic to what Erica has gone through.
The audience was warm and sympathetic.
So all in all, hat tip to all involved and to Erica especially.
