Young voters swung hard toward Trump in 2024. Now, many of them are swinging back against them. Two Turning Point chapter leaders, Brady Salmon and Dino Fantegrossi, discuss why "doomerism" is on the rise with Gen Z, what can win them back, and why they get so fired up about issues like Israel. Rep. Byron Donalds joins the show to discuss his run for governor of Florida and why he supports Ron DeSantis's push to get rid of property taxes on individual homes. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show Hour 2 getting underway.
I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show with Blake Neff here in studio.
And I'm excited about our next guest.
That is Byron Donalds, congressman from Florida, and also candidate for governor of the great state of Florida.
So we're honored to have him join us.
Congressman, next governor of Florida, welcome to the show.
It's good to be back.
Man, it's good to be back.
Yeah, I just realized it's, yeah, it's your first time back to the show.
So please, the floor is yours, Congressman.
Honestly, man, we really miss Charlie.
We really, really miss him.
But it's good to be back with everybody.
I'm excited to talk about, you know, whatever you want to talk about.
Let's open it up and let's just go.
I love that.
Well, listen, we brought you on because we saw you were doing some great work with your son, who's taken a courageous step and turning point.
And you've been speaking at our turning point events on the local level.
And I just, it's amazing.
So let's start there.
And this is clip 195.
The number one reason I believe that young people are frustrated is because you followed the advice that they told my generation.
Just go to college and it's all going to work out.
And I had peers who got the degree and they went into the workforce and realized that the degree did not have the value that they told us it would.
Yeah, and that's you speak, I believe, because I think you've done a few different events, but this is Truman State University.
Is that right, Byron?
I think that one was at University of Florida.
The one that was at Truman State.
I think we're going through all the clips and stuff.
We're going to be releasing that stuff soon as well.
Yeah.
So your son, Darren, is VP of the new Turning Point chapter at Truman State.
So shout out to Darren.
What an amazing young son you have.
And what a way to honor Charlie in this really tangible way.
For you to go out there and support it, Congressman.
It means a lot to us.
And when I saw those clips going around social media, I was like, we got to get Byron back on.
Yeah.
So like, so here's what happened.
You know, it was maybe two, three weeks, you know, after Charlie was assassinated.
And my son texts us and he was just like, how do we start a turning point chapter?
And so, you know, my wife was sending him links.
You can go here, you can go here.
And what happened was I think there were several students on campus that were all thinking the same thing.
They all got together, started this chapter.
So we were actually planning to just go out and visit him and see him.
He plays basketball out there.
He's a freshman on the basketball team at Truman State.
And so we were just planning to go visit him.
And he asked, would I speak to the Turning Point Club?
And I said, of course, I'll do it.
And then it turned from just talking to the club members to they had to move the venue into the biggest auditorium on campus.
So it was a great event, great evening, got a chance to talk to a lot of young people, hear directly from them.
You know, and they do have concerns.
And I think it's really important what Charlie started and his legacy is reaching young people for common sense, conservative policy and values and Western civilization.
As long as we can continue that effort and that focus of making sure young people understand the policies and the value sets that make America the greatest country in the world, there'll be no stopping us.
Yeah, that's well said, Congressman.
And you are, of course, running for governor of the great state of Florida.
And just before you joined, we had Sager and Jetty talking about an issue that's germane to Florida.
Obviously, the conversation about property taxes.
Now, I want to brief you because you probably missed it.
Blake is anti-getting rid of them.
I am much more sympathetic because there's a part of me that's our viewers are very in favor of getting rid of it.
It's me against the tidal wave on this one.
Right.
So Blake thinks it's a sort of boomer populism or something.
Maybe not.
That's a blunt way to say it.
I think, you know, I don't want to, because people are getting so mad, I don't want to emphasize it necessarily helping the older people.
I want to emphasize, I think it's bad for younger people.
All right.
So that maybe that's a more winning way.
I don't know.
But I think of it as like, listen, you work your whole life, you buy a piece of property, but you never really own it.
You're just constantly renting it from the government.
That's my instinct.
It's like, I want to work my whole life and own something.
Now, where do you fall on this issue, Congressman?
Well, actually, my view is: one, we should eliminate homestead property taxes.
I agree with Governor DeSantis.
I do agree with the philosophical point that you shouldn't have to rent, essentially have to pay a lease or a fee to the government for you to be able to keep your property.
And I do fundamentally agree with that from a philosophical standpoint.
I think in terms of where we are in Florida, look, I think we're going to go down the line of repealing homestead property taxes.
The governor is adamant about this.
I think what we need to see now is the governor's full plan.
I know he's working on that now.
I think his full plan being given to the people of Florida is going to be critical for this to go from something that is an idea, something that should be accomplished, to actually being implemented.
Because we're going to have to go through a couple of things: paying, how are we going to fund sheriffs and sheriff deputies and police officers?
How are we going to pay firefighters, road construction, road maintenance?
These are the things that local governments do pay for.
So how are we going to make sure those things don't get disturbed?
That's number one.
And we go from there.
So I support it.
I do support repealing homestead property taxes.
I agree that people should not have to pay a fee to the government just for the privilege of being able to keep their home.
But there are key services that local governments provide.
We want to make sure that that funding is there.
Yeah, my take is if there's a smart way to do it where you're not hollowing out your education system, your fire department, and not shift the tax burden to younger families that are trying to get started.
I mean, that's one of the benefits of Florida.
You can start a family there.
You can believe that the public school system is going to not be indoctrinating your kid.
I mean, that's the appeal, right?
If you want to start a family, states like Texas and Florida are the places you want to go.
So real quick.
And I think this is important because we want to talk about young people.
The reason why I think a repeal of homestead property taxes helps first-time homebuyers is because when you go to buy a home, you're not just paying the sticker costs.
You also have to pay the closing costs associated with buying it.
When you go through closing on a piece of property, especially on a home, you have to escrow, pay up front a year's worth of property taxes.
And so depending on what you're buying, that's several thousand dollars.
So it actually, in my opinion, helps young people acquire that first home because it decreases the cost, decreases closing costs because you're not having to escrow taxes for acquiring the property.
So that's where I think that a repeal of property taxes for homesteaded property does actually help young people get into the game of home ownership.
How about, I think something that there's more unity on is a way you can lower housing prices across the board is just build more houses overall.
Yes.
And Florida overall has been good at that long term, but I know there are rising costs there now.
So how about we look at what's the plan there?
How do you make sure Florida's had a ton of people moving there?
How do you make sure that they can be building houses both for the new arrivals and for the children of people who've been living there their whole lives?
Well, let me talk about Florida specifically.
The first thing is we have to really streamline the permitting and planning processes in our state.
Right now in Florida, if you're going to build a single family home, it takes anywhere from 18 months to two and a half years of permitting before you can put a shovel in the ground.
So you have just dead time in these projects.
And this dead time where you're going through permitting is not free.
That adds to the cost of constructing the home and that's paid by the consumer.
It also delays the ability to actually build housing at scale so that you see prices overall come down.
One of the reasons why our property values increased so rapidly in Florida is because during COVID-19, when by the way, Governor DeSantis did the best job in America of leading our state.
He was the best.
It wasn't close.
But what happened is so many people chose Florida, but we didn't have the housing stock to meet the demand.
So prices went up.
And so it's supply and demand, like it like how it works anywhere else.
So what we do have to do is build the necessary housing as efficiently as possible so you have more housing stock on the market.
That stabilizes housing prices.
It could even reduce it in some areas.
And that's another way to open up home ownership for young people.
On Capitol Hill, we got to get rid of these stupid regulations around housing and also these dumb regulations around procuring raw materials because that increases the material costs that goes directly into construction, which goes directly into the cost of the home.
And some of the green New Deal weatherization stuff on homes that has made home construction more expensive, it's a problem too.
We could keep talking for a whole lot longer, Congressman.
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Blake, there is a video now posted to Senator Slotkin's X feed of lawmakers telling the military to defy illegal orders.
And this is causing quite a stir.
Let's go ahead and play it cut 235.
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Is there a longer form of that?
It's all very vague, which is probably intentional.
Intentional.
But yeah, I guess the intent.
It takes me back to a very dark moment in 2020.
It was when all the riots were happening and Trump was talking, you know, I might send the guard into cities to restore orders.
When the looting starts, the shooting starts, I believe he said.
And the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, I think it was Millie at the time, he released a letter to the armed forces that was eventually either leaked or published that said, basically, we're going to remind everyone that the military is the guardian of our Constitution and the freedom of speech and the right to protest.
And nothing eventually came of that.
But I had the very dark thought that what he was laying the groundwork for, it was 2020, everyone was losing their minds, was Trump was going to say, go in and restore order in DC or in Minneapolis.
And they were going to refuse.
They were going to say, we're not going to do that.
We're going to side with the rioters.
And you'd basically have a revolutionary moment, a constitutional crisis, a coup d'état.
And you kind of get the feeling they're trying to set that up here, that they want to have the military just start openly defying President Trump's orders as commander in chief.
And that is a very dark constitutional Rubicon to cross.
Yeah, you do not want to cross that at all.
And I think that's why they were being so vague.
I think they knew.
I think they knew that they were being provocative.
They want to make a gesture.
Yeah, exactly.
And, you know, because there's all the defensive ways.
Of course, you don't follow illegal orders.
If he orders you to commit a war crime, you're not supposed to do that.
But it is not a war crime to secure America's borders.
It is not a war crime to protect Americans from crime.
It is not a war crime to deport people illegally in this country.
Thank you very much.
And they're deliberately trying to muddle those concepts to further the idea that it's okay to just flout and defy laws they don't like.
I mean, we see that with Mamdani in New York, where I think just the other day he was saying, yes, we follow international law.
So if Netanyahu visits New York, I'm going to arrest him.
But we don't follow U.S. federal law, where if you enter this country illegally as an invader, you get sent home.
Yeah.
No, that's a really good point.
They're willing to flout our own domestic laws because they actually hate this country.
Lawmakers appearing in this video include Senator Slotkin from Michigan, Senator Mark Kelly from this state in Arizona, Representative Chris DeLuzio from Pennsylvania, Rep Maggie Goodlander from New Hampshire, Rep Chrissy Houlihan from Pennsylvania, and rep Jason Crowe.
So you can refuse they so they basically the video is them reciting this version of the of the line, you can refuse illegal orders.
You must refuse illegal orders.
And again, they're vague, but we're assuming they're talking about, you know, these cartel boats that apparently have drugs, laden with drugs, coming to the United States and international waters.
I'm not sure what number we're up to, but they've blown up a number of these boats.
Yeah, they have.
And it's controversial.
Even guys like Rampa.
I acknowledge it's risky.
Like, it's very bad.
Extremely bad.
The first time this goes awry and you blow up, you know, a fisherman's boat, you know, some guy just on, who decided to cruise the Caribbean in a manner resembling drugs.
It's very risky to do this.
We saw that in the Middle East where we had those signature strikes, they'd call them, where anyone, you know, a group of, they look like, you know, 18 to 30 year old men in a group, and we'll just kind of presumptively label them terrorists.
And we blew up people, not even just in Afghanistan.
We're doing that in Yemen.
We were doing that in Syria.
And were most of them probably what we were going for?
Yeah, but were all of them?
No.
Well, yeah.
But listen, I am very in favor of that policy because I think there's probably really good intel on most of these, but you're right.
We have to be in doubt probably don't.
So far, they seem to have all been extremely on point because we know.
And then to your point, though, the other thing that they're probably railing against is deportations and the National Guard being in some of these blue cities.
Now, we've seen Memphis, Chicago, D.C., when the National Guard is present, when they ramp up deportations, crime is dropping precipitously.
And what's funny is they don't even need to do much.
Like the National Guard, if you've been to D.C., they are mostly just sort of standing around in high visibility areas.
Yet even that bare minimum effort of showing you care is actually lowering crime.
It's incredible.
It's not just lower.
It's like falling.
You just have to show you mean it.
Yes, and that's my point with these boats, these strikes on boats in the Caribbean.
You mean business and the cartels are going to take?
It's not that you're going to blow up hundreds of boats.
It's that you'll blow up five and the boats will go away.
And you don't know which boat might get blown up, so you're not going to set off with a bunch of drugs heading to the mainland.
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People love these segments when we do them.
They want to hear from the kids themselves that are working on these campuses.
So backed by Popular Demand, we are doing a chapter president segment with Dino Fantagrasi from the University of Arkansas.
He's the TPSA chapter president there.
And Brady Salmon, the TPSA chapter president at the University of Kentucky.
So welcome, Dino and Brady.
Hello.
Thank you.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah, good to see you guys again.
So hold on.
Dino, we met at the round at the Student Action Summit in Tampa.
Brady was there too.
Oh, Brady.
Good.
Good, good, good.
All right, there we go.
Well, we're going to talk about some of the topics about Israel and Hamas and all this stuff, kind of how it's playing out.
We have Danny Phillip here, who's our resident Gen Zer on set.
23 years old, right?
Yes, sir.
Old man compared to these young guys here.
All right.
So tell us how things are going in the wake of what happened with Charlie, the tragedy there.
What are you seeing on your campuses?
Let's start there.
Yeah, on campuses, I would say statewide, it's been going very well.
We've had some issues with getting chapters started because administrators are really pushing back on getting chapters started in our region.
But in terms of there's a lot of them that are doing very well, and we're getting a lot of volunteers.
And we actually have an event today that we're advertising for, and it's going very well.
So we're very excited about how we're doing.
Tell us about the event.
Yeah, we're having Paige Rue come in tonight at 7 o'clock.
She is going to talk about the Second Amendment, and people are very excited about it.
It's a very fun topic, and we're looking to fill the room to capacity.
So we're very excited.
I love it.
How many events per quarter do you guys do just kind of and by the way, you know, in the wake of Charlie's assassination, are you seeing increased energy?
Like you said, you're thinking you're going to fill the room to capacity.
That's huge.
Was that the case before?
You know, I think we've sort of found ourselves in a bit of an interesting situation in Arkansas where we went from having about 75 registered members at the beginning of the semester.
I think last time I said we were somewhere in the 300s, we're like 450 today at my chapter.
So the growth just keeps happening, which is really awesome to see.
But Arkansas, we have this weird issue where we really fight this battle of the apathetic voter.
People are just disinterested in politics because the state is considered so red that conservatives don't seem to care that much because they say, well, my state's not going to change that much.
Well, that might be true.
That might not be true.
In fact, maybe it's the case that your politicians aren't actually voting for what you want them to be voting for.
But because it's so red, you don't pay attention.
So you don't notice that.
I might argue that's the case.
Yeah, well, I think you're right.
We get this a lot in, and Charlie would talk about it a lot, how in red states, you know, actually, by the way, he mentioned this about Utah, how when it's considered to be safely red, you end up getting worse politicians because there's not the pressure, cooker.
There's not less pressure.
And also there's a type of person who goes into politics just because they like status.
They like being with the group of people who run things.
And in blue states, they just default to being Democrats.
In red states, they default to being Republicans.
Well, I mean, this kind of happened in Kentucky where Brady's at.
They have, what is it, Bashar is the governor there.
And it's a relatively conservative state, but a lot of conservatives like to stay home.
And that's how you get a Democrat governor there.
Well, and also Bashir plays the moderate.
Well, the pretend.
Yeah, pretend.
So, guys, let's talk about a couple issues that are bubbling up right now.
And that is the affordability crisis.
Gen Z kids are staring down a very unpredictable labor market, let's just say with AI and robotics, automation, plus the H-1B thing.
Let's talk about that.
How are Gen Zers, especially those getting close to graduation, how are you guys approaching this issue?
What are people saying?
Is there a lot of fear out there with some of these people that are looking at graduating soon about the job market and about the affordability crisis?
Dino, go ahead and you start.
Man, I wish more people would pay attention to this.
I think some do, but when it comes to H-1B, look at a company like Microsoft that just a couple months ago, they did a mass layoff.
And at the exact same time, they applied for 6,000 new H-1B programs.
And then they have the audacity to tell us that the United States is a lack of skilled workers.
How can those two things possibly be the same?
Either you're saying Americans are stupid and you went to college, went into potentially upwards of $100,000 in debt for nothing, or you are saying that it is simply cheaper to pay somebody from out of the country.
It's one of the two.
And I think it's the latter.
And it's insulting to people in my generation.
I wish more people would pay attention to it.
And the reason that it persists is because they don't.
And so there is still this perspective from a lot of people in our generation, more so sort of like the soft conservatives and especially the liberals, that, you know, legal immigration is fine.
Maybe they'll, maybe some of the liberals will be like, but illegal immigration is bad.
No, I mean, all of it is hurting Americans currently for the most part.
And that's not to say there isn't the occasional reason to bring in a legal immigrant.
Probably there is.
That's not even to say that there isn't a reason to bring in H-1Bs, but it's certainly not strictly bringing in the top skilled laborers.
I mean, like, how many super geniuses are there out there?
Not that many.
And we have plenty of Americans here with some of the highest quality education in the world.
So what are we doing?
It's fucking nuts.
Well, Dino, what you're saying kind of relates to a sovereign bra tweet, 185.
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He says, older generation shouldn't be surprised if Gen Z is the most radicalized generation in American history.
Their youth was stolen via COVID lockdowns.
Their jobs were given to immigrants and AI, which you just touched on.
And they can't afford basic necessities like the generations before them could.
Now, you guys are very plugged in politically.
So, Brady, for the normies on campus, are you seeing this kind of energy?
Are they feeling the pinch of affordability?
Are they scared about it?
Are they scared about the job market?
I think definitely.
And it's so interesting.
You get people that are in engineering.
You get people that are in statistics or finance.
It doesn't matter what it is.
They're all very stressed out about it.
And I think we're seeing that right now in the polls because Vivek Ramoswamy in a state that Trump's won in the past three elections, he's currently losing in his race.
So he is currently struggling and he is very much defending the H-1Bs.
And I think that's going to hurt him in his race.
So I think people are really underestimating politically how much of an issue this really is.
And to echo what Dino said, I believe Will Kane did an educational segment on Fox.
80% of these H-1Bs are entry-level jobs.
So when you see people like Trump do these conferences where he says that these are for the super geniuses coming from Asia and India, it's like, well, are they actually really, or are they doing these entry-level jobs, taking jobs from Americans and then getting paid a lower wage to save the company from having to pay?
Man, I think, I really hope that people are listening to this.
I mean, you guys are expressing and articulating political viewpoints about sophisticated topics that I think sometimes older generations don't understand that you guys are this tuned into it.
And so I'm going to ask this one more time, though.
Again, you guys are very plugged in.
Are you saying this is stuff that you are hearing from like, just like I said, normies on campus?
To some degree, I mean, I think a lot of people that I've talked to are more pissed off about the 600,000 Chinese students than they are specifically H-1B, which is valid.
And then some people try and defend it and say it's fine.
Didn't our own State Department say under the last presidential administration, Joe Biden, that like a third of Chinese visa like students are CCP spies that are taking our proprietary technologies and sending them back to their country?
Like, should that not alone be disqualifying?
Take out the entire labor market or it costs like driving up the prices of college admissions because there's only so many spots on a college campus.
Take out all of that.
Isn't that just a national security issue?
People were mad about that.
That doesn't even have to do anything with price.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
So without me giving you the idea or the topic, what would you say are the things young people care about most right now?
The things they're most worried about or whatever.
First to you, Brady.
I would say young people are very passionate about American sovereignty.
And American sovereignty extends to H-1Bs where Americans aren't getting jobs.
It extends to foreign aid to Israel and other allies.
That's something that Gen Z is very much worried about.
I would say that's a big blanket statement that it really does cover a few different topics where people feel like American sovereignty and powerfulness and individuality is really losing to globalism, to foreign aid, and to many different things.
So national sovereignty is ascendant.
And are you hearing that from liberals or is this mostly conservatives?
I would say mostly conservatives, where it's a really big issue.
And that's talking moderate all the way to more radical conservatives.
It's a very much supporting issue, American nationalism that is very much widespread across campus for sure.
All right, what about you, Dino?
What are people talking about?
What are they worried about?
Number one, number two issues?
I mean, I think I have to go with the same thing.
He already touched on a lot of the national sovereignty.
So the number two would have to be the economy.
And I think, you know, last time we were here, we were talking about will Zoron Mamdani get elected or not?
And he did.
I mean, that wasn't really a surprise.
It's New York.
But a lot of the reason that this is the case is because whether we like it or not, the reality is Zoron Mamdani provided solutions to people in my generation.
Those solutions were insane.
He was promising free money and there's no such thing as free money.
But people will still latch on to that if the other guy isn't offering anything.
I mean, you had Chris Cuomo, who is just a complete, or excuse me, Andrew Cuomo, who's just a complete joke.
And then you had Curtis Sleewa, who's talking about the mob trying to kill him the whole time.
The only option was Zoron in a lot of people's mind, because at least he was saying he was going to do something.
Yeah, fair enough.
And that's why we saw, what, like close to 10% of Trump voters in 24 voted for Mom Donnie?
Yeah, people need to understand that the youth vote for Trump and the huge gains that we saw and what Charlie contributed to, those are not set in stone.
Those are not guaranteed.
We have to deliver.
And so Charlie was always big on, especially in his final months, talking about we're in a race against the clock.
We have three and a half years and now three to really deliver on some of these economic policies and make sure that life gets better for young people.
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So Danny, our resident Gen Zer here, is telling me that Gen Z doomerism.
Yeah, it's at an all-time high right now, especially.
It's basically like, explain what that means to our audience.
Okay, so they see the H-1B stuff.
They see what Trump's saying, and basically they're like, you know what?
There's no hope for us right now.
Trump no longer cares.
Like what we voted for doesn't matter.
That's what kind of the census thinking is, but it kind of contradicts kind of what the overall voting is.
Yeah, 234.
We can throw up 234 real quick.
So this poll shows that Trump's higher at this point in his second term than Bush and Obama at their point in their second term, just in terms of approval.
Yeah.
It's funny because they all go down.
You know what I mean?
Like they're all going downward, which is not a good sign.
But yeah, so doomerism is at an all-time high.
Do you guys agree with that?
You feel like some Gen Z doomerism?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So Danny is telling, this is not a scientific poll, but this is like a consensus online that Gen Z doomerism is at an all-time high and it ties directly into all the other stuff we're seeing, H-1B, Israel, everything.
So Dino, if you want to start.
Do you agree, Dino?
What is doomerism?
We probably should explore it.
Define the term.
Yeah, define the term here.
Sure.
So doomerism, the black pill, maybe you've heard it called before, is the idea that everything sucks.
It's never going to get better.
Nothing ever happens.
You've probably seen some of these before on the internet.
If you've ever been there before on Twitter.
And it's a real phenomenon.
A lot in my generation, people saying, well, everything sucks.
Donald Trump's not fulfilling a single campaign promise.
Let's, okay.
And I understand where they're coming from because the big ones that they really want to see done, perhaps, are going a little slowly, be it immigration enforcement.
And the thing that I keep coming back to is, look, you've got to have a little grace.
You've got to have a little patience.
Like, our country did not become so screwed up overnight.
Rome wasn't built in a day, and we're not going to fix it overnight either.
I mean, it's been like 80 years since FDR was president, which I credit with a lot of the start of the government bloat in our country.
It's not going to be toppled overnight by any means.
But look, we've got coming down the line in January through March, probably another 10,000 immigration enforcement officers are going to be finally done with their training and hitting the streets.
You're going to see deportation speed up.
We are making incremental gains on a lot of the policy positions that we have.
It's just not happening immediately.
And people are so dejected and they want to latch on to something that they can't see the forest through the trees.
They just get so caught up in the immediate because we're all stuck on our phones looking at social media algorithms that we're just, it's all doom and gloom all the time because that's all you see on Twitter.
I think Brady wants to speak a little more on that.
Go for it, Brady.
Yeah, gosh.
If you're on Twitter and Instagram, you would think Trump's approval rating is 20% because you have left-wing people as prideful as ever criticizing Trump.
And then you have people right-wing saying MAGA is dead.
So you have basically everyone, both left and right-wing, criticizing Trump and saying America is in a terrible place and it's only going to get worse.
But what we actually see with that approval rating is people are actually generally happy with where the country is going.
And it's really actually misrepresentative overall of what the American politics looks like.
And I think this doomer stuff does apply to Israel, which we are going to talk about as well, because it does directly relate to where people think Americans really are getting sold out to foreign countries, which kind of gets back to the American sovereignty stuff that I talked about earlier.
Yeah.
So one of the things that I'm noticing just talking with you guys is that it's just like you've you've brought up H-1Bs like, I think, five or six times.
And I have not asked you to do that.
You just keep bringing it up.
And I think that's really telling because we could see it as sort of this abstract sort of Twitter debate or something.
You're saying like on campus, this is front and center for you guys.
This is something you talk about a lot.
Let's quickly transition to the Israel topic.
If you just had to gauge amongst your peers, 50%, 60%, how many of your peers, let's say conservatives, and then maybe include liberals there, how many are supportive of the U.S.-Israel relationship?
Gosh, on campus, it is slim, both left and right-wing.
I'm honestly having trouble meeting people, conservative or liberal, that currently support the Israeli regime or their invasion of Palestine.
It is very hard to find people supportive right now.
Okay.
Yeah, we won't quibble on the use of the word invasion, but it's certainly different people would frame it differently, right?
What about you, Dino?
I mean, I agree.
It's slim to none.
Look, I'm not a big fan of everything that's going on with Israel.
Like I said on the Charlie Kerr, the big roundtable that we did a couple months ago, like I find it insulting when we send money to all these foreign countries when we've got such huge issues in our country, be it the fact that we can't, you know, beat our veterans.
We've got thousands of homeless people.
The economy sucks.
I mean, we need to be making strides on this.
And it isn't specifically the fact that it is Israel for me.
It's just the fact that we are too bogged down talking about foreign policy right now when we have such massive domestic issues that we need to tackle.
And those are the things that move the needle for voters the most.
And we're not talking about it.
Go ahead, Dan.
So why do you think?
I mean, I could see H-1B is a direct correlation policy where it's like, we're going to take your job.
So it's a direct one-to-one thing.
It's not like we're going to bring in students and they could potentially take your jobs.
That's why H-1B is like the biggest thing in Gen Z because it's directly just these people are coming in to take your job versus a policy that where that could happen.
And so that's why I think H1B is a big issue for Gen Z.
And so that ties into kind of just another thing, Israel.
So why do you think Gen Z is so caught up on Israel versus other countries that we give more foreign money to?
Brady, do you want to go first?
Yeah, sir.
I think right now a lot of it is the algorithm.
I think people are getting fed this content from like more alt-right creators.
And really all they talk about is Israel.
So that's really all they see online.
I think also it's because there was such a stigma behind talking about it in American politics for a long time because the lobby is very strong, as I talked about back on the panel as well in the summer.
So it had this big stigma.
And now that the Overton window is kind of shifting, people are allowed to talk about it more now.
So you get these like radicalizing elements that really do kind of corrupt our young generation because it's so easily to attach yourself to it without really knowing what they're talking about.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Dino.
Right.
I pretty much completely concur with everything that Brady just said.
I'm going to tack on this a little bit at the end here.
And that is that I think a lot of us, we want a reason to be upset sometimes.
Some people, they want to get out their anger, their frustrations.
Perhaps it's because they haven't been reading their Bible.
Perhaps they've got something going on in their life.
And Israel's just a soft target for a lot of people because they know that if they go on social media and they start dogging on Israel, they're going to get clicks.
That's not to say there's not legitimate criticisms.
There are legitimate criticisms, but it's certainly not the biggest issue for the United States today.
It's just one that people are easily able to sort of take out their anger on, as far as I'm concerned.
You know, a funny thing, I talk to Charlie about this is sometimes an issue just takes on a life of its own.
And that issue has been one.
It's funny because it's not, it's not a new thing.
I remember them talking about it a ton when I was growing up in the early 2000s.
People were talking about it a ton in the 80s, in the 70s, in the 60s, all the way back to the 40s.
It is just, it is an issue that has repeatedly gotten people to fixate on it.
And you can think there's other issues like that.
You know, a lot of the entire gay rights movement thing was a lot like that.
People were just, for a while, they really fixated on it and they thought it was of huge moral salience and importance.
And I think the Israel thing is kind of like that.
It becomes a little subset where what you feel about it reflects how you feel about the world.
And it's like very easy to heavily moralize in both directions.
And it's really easy to get extremely angry and extremely passionate about it.
And at the same time, for most people who are engaging with it, they have no direct personal stake.
It is something on the far side of the world.
It's like, you know, for some people, it's practically like arguing about the plot of a television show.
For others, it's not.
But for a lot of people, it is.
And so I think it's an issue that it's very easy to feel intense moral righteousness about.
And that causes people to fixate on it.
And it's not likely to go away.
Where I would disagree is, I don't think it's algorithmically driven in the sense that it was created by China to divide us.
I know some people say that.
I think it's algorithmically driven in the sense that successful algorithms give people content they want to see that will keep them coming back.
And it turns out that's content people just love engaging with over and over and over again.
I do think there's some strong evidence that there's a lot of foreign bots involved and a lot of it's giving people a reward cycle online.
They get clicks, they get comments, a lot of which are bots, but they see those engagement numbers and they go, ooh, let's go back to it.
It's so easy to say my opponents only believe this because they're paid to do it or because of foreign propaganda.
I don't believe that.
And we had that with the Trump thing.
You guys are so young.
You might not remember 2015 and 2016 when it was Russian bots who made people support Trump.
That's what the left would say.
Oh, this only happened because Russia did propaganda for Trump.
It's a lie.
People supported Trump for direct organic reasons.
Yeah.
And listen, we totally reject the Jew hate thing.
And I do think there is a historic reason to believe, repeated throughout history, to scapegoat Jewish people, to scapegoat Israel.
Listen, you can have a variety of opinions on this issue.
We don't believe in calling everybody an anti-Semite just because you disagree with the Likud Party.
Okay, that's not what we're saying.
But listen, there is a heightened importance to Israel.
It's wrapped up in eschatology.
It's wrapped up in our shared faith.
There is a, you know, obviously Israel is getting attacked on all sides, candidly, by its neighbors.
So there's lots baked in here.
There's historical references to World War II.
We have to acknowledge at some level Israel is a special case.
It's an outside case.
I would just say one more thing.
Ties into earlier on the show.
Do you guys see this with Islam too?
Like, what is Gen Z's thoughts on Islam right now, trying to conquer the West?
There's definitely not enough focus on it.
I mean, what was it, like two days ago, where you had that whole fiasco?
I think Nick Shirley getting like accosted in front of the Dearborn, Michigan City Council meeting or whatever is going on.
I mean, I just went on a whole thing about this the other day.
And I think that this is a whole lot more concerning to me.
The fact that we're not paying attention to what's going on with Islam.
Because I'll tell you what, Islam is making a concerted effort to actually take over our country and change our foundational values.
That's legitimately scary.
And we're putting up with it because we have this suicidal empathy where we say, oh, well, they come from like these really rough parts of the world and we just need to help them.
They're not here to be helped.
They don't actually want your help a lot of the time.
They will openly admit that they do not want to assimilate to the United States of America.
The guy on the Dearborn City Council was just talking about that the other day.
They don't want to assimilate.
Yeah, that was actually the mayor, I think.
Yeah, we played that.
We actually played that clip earlier.
We totally agree with you, by the way, that we do need to be more focused on Islam.
And it's a travesty that we get distracted by these other things.
Charlie was certainly highlighting it at the end of his life.
And we are definitely going to be doing the same.
Guys, it's been wonderful having you.
I think I really genuinely mean this.
I hope people are hearing what you have to say.
The H-1B focus from you guys.
I hope people in power are listening.
I'm going to send the clips to people in power to help make them listening because I do think it's a generational wide.
Wouldn't you say, Danny, it's like generationally Gen Z outpunches beyond its weight class here.
One of the only policies where it's a directly taking your job first, the other ones lead to that potentially, but H-1B directly affects our generation specifically.
Yeah.
Well, and I put that Will Kane video out on Twitter.
I think it did like a million and a half views or something like that.
Guys, honored to have you.
Dino and Brady, University of Kentucky, University of Arkansas.
Good luck with your event tonight, Brady.
Yeah, good luck with Page March.
Yeah.
All right, brother.
Thank you guys.
That's going to wrap it up for us here at the Charlie Kirk Show.
