There couldn't be a better group of people to discuss the aftermath as UC-Berkeley, where the final stop of TPUSA's fall tour was violently disrupted by an antifa mob. Guest speaker Rob Schneider reflects on his firsthand experience and how it changed him. Andrew Sypher addresses the planning that goes into any TPUSA campus event, and Andrew, Jobob, and Mikey break down the aftermath. Allie Beth Stuckey joins. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Yes.
That's true.
His name is Rob Schneider.
He headlined our UC Berkeley event, which all chaos broke loose at that.
And you were actually there as well.
So we're going to have a great conversation.
Rob, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
So honored to have you, my friend.
Well, thank you for having me.
It's an honor to be here.
And I was very honored to be at the event at Berkeley, at the riot.
I mean, the riot.
I mean, the event riot.
Yeah, celebration.
I mean, the Charlie.
Well, I said to Charlie, let's go to some more and do some more universities.
And he said, I said, let's go to like the take me to the craziest one.
And it was his idea.
So, well, let's go to Berkeley.
And I went like, yeah.
And then I had to go to Berkeley alone.
That was Charlie's final practical joke on me.
And so the great Frank Turek was there.
And he a tremendous human being.
I mean, when, you know, when I heard that that was a, you know, a beautiful speech that he gave at Charlie's memorial, which is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in American history, the memorial.
It was so touching and beautiful.
It was such an expression of light and love and true friendship.
And to meet him in person was really humbling.
And also I brought with me because I said, you know, I can't do this on my own.
I mean, Charlie's irreplaceable, as everyone knows.
So I brought along some professors.
One doctor from Oxford was Dr. Andrew Doyle, and then a professor of Professor Peter Bogozian, who wrote the book, How to Have Difficult Conversations and Almost Impossible Conversations.
And it was great.
I mean, it was really good.
I mean, it was a scary moment.
As you guys saw, you know, the people, they call them anti-fascists, but they seem to be the one fighting.
And they were throwing these explosive devices to make it sound like it was gunshots.
These are really creepy, horrible people.
And they're obviously paid agitators because a lot of them, they didn't seem like they were Cal Berkeley students.
But you know, the silence from the left from Governor Newsom is deafening.
Where are they?
Where is the people that are opposing violence?
Where are they?
They're not there because, you know, I would think they must approve it because it's leftist violence.
So it supports their cause.
So it's a real testament to where the left is at, whereas violence from the left, I mean, it's almost like we're in a cold civil war.
We are in a cold civil war with only one side shooting.
So that's where we're at.
But today, I mean, I have to admit, the police at Berkeley, they did a good job.
But however, they still did not allow, and they allowed these domestic terrorists, because that's what they are.
You're trying to scare people and intimidate them with tear gas, with things that sound like gunfire, with, you know, rattling and preventing people from entering and intimidation.
That is terrorism.
That's domestic terrorism.
And why that is not being a priority from the state of California?
They're just silent today, the super majority of Democrats.
So I don't know what to say.
So here we have the scariest moment was, oh, thankfully, we got in there three hours early so that we didn't have to be confronted by that.
But how about the kids, the courageous turning point USA Berkeley kids who still went despite all the tear gas and these leftist lunatics who are violently, I mean, talk about, here's what happened outside.
You got agitators, you have their, they're screaming, they have very disgusting signs, despicable signs about Charlie Kirk that I won't even repeat.
And then you have, you know, and then they're yelling and intimidating and fighting and violence and tear gas.
And inside, you have people talking about how much they love America, family, God, and how much they love freedom of speech.
And they are the anti-fascists calling us fascists.
And I would just say to your listeners, I think we all know who the real fascists are.
Fascists are the ones that stop conversation, that don't want dialogue, that are using, you know, violence to suppress other people's liberties.
That's, and silence them.
And those are the real definition of fascism.
Well, I think you said it really, really well, Rob, in this speech that you gave.
Let's go ahead and play 146, just to give the audience a little taste of what it was like inside the room.
146.
If we are going to have a vibrant society and continue to be the largest economy, the most technologically advanced society in the world, we must protect free speech and debate.
We cannot afford to continue people having beliefs persist that are not subject to facts or logic or empirical evidence.
And anyone who presents empirical evidence to the contrary gets shut down, censored, and subject to violence on the university campus.
This has to stop.
Yeah, and what we're talking about here is really the heckler's veto, right?
But it's become the assassin's veto.
They want to shut us up.
They want us to keep us from doing these events.
And I'm so glad guys like you and Joe Bob still have the courage to go do them and our students, our brave staff.
How has this event and the aftermath and all the violence that we saw, how has this personally impacted you, Rob?
Has it changed your view on things at all?
Well, it made me throw out the script and just talk about the emotion of the moment and to really to meet these courageous students at Berkeley who had the courage to show up and risk themselves and to risk their bodily harm to attend this event, to express their freedom.
Because freedom of speech, Andrew, as you know, it's not just the ability for someone to say and express their point of view.
And free speech is all speech, not just the speech that the government likes or that the regents or the academics, the leftist academics of Cal Berkeley like.
Free speech is all speech.
And if it means anything, it also means the right to hear somebody else's free speech.
If we silence free speech, you're also not just silencing the speaker, you're also silencing the rights of the listener.
And that's something that is really important.
At one point yesterday, the Berkeley police, you know, ran into our room where we were in the green room, and they just went right by us, didn't say hi or anything.
And it was a frightening little moment.
And they went right into the electrical room and looked up because they were thinking that maybe people could get through that way.
And I asked them and I said to the Berkeley police officers, I said, can you help the people come in?
Because we had sold this event.
We could have sold it out 6,000 tickets.
We had to stop at 2,000 because that's all the leftists, anti-free speech academics and faculty and board of regents would let us have.
And they still allowed these leftists, the liberals, illegally able to get tickets, knowing so as to prevent those seats from being filled.
Rob, I have insider info on that.
And maybe, Joe Bob, you have some on that as well.
But what they did two weeks before the event, they made us switch over to the school's ticketing system.
They open up the ticketing knowing that all the agitators and protesters are alerted to that so they can scoop up tickets, leave the seats empty.
We had thousands of people that actually were still in line or wanted to get in line that ultimately scattered when the car started backfiring and the bombs started going off and the fireworks.
And so they were intentionally sabotaging this event.
Joe Bob, you saw this up close.
Well, yeah, and also too, just a 30,000-foot view, the idea that you're going to get tickets and then not show up is like comical.
What better way to say, hey, my ideas suck and I don't want to defend them to not actually show up to the event that you got tickets for and just leave the seats empty?
Well, and we had, just so you know, what we usually do is we have a big line of standbys, Rob, where if people don't show up and claim their tickets, the standby line then gets an opportunity to come fill those seats.
And we had thousands that wanted to hear from you and Frank Turek and Peter Bogozian.
I mean, you know, this is Deep Blue Berkeley, and there was thousands, and they cannot let that visual get out into the world.
They cannot.
They cannot afford it.
They're too fragile.
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Mikey McCoy, you probably went to more campus stops with Charlie than anybody.
Well, Joe Bob, darn it, maybe you did.
Well, because, yeah, but you were doing all the openings.
I mean, Rob was here for a crazy one, Rob.
You're never going to be the same.
Once you go through one of the crazy ones, you're never the same.
And Mikey, tell us, give us your POV on all this.
Yeah, well, first off, it's been two months since Utah.
And I just, this is the left in their proclivity for violence time and again.
And that two months after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you're going to show up at a turning point USA event, threaten our attendees, attack our attendees, spit in the face of old ladies coming to peacefully gather at this event to listen to Dr. Frank Turik and Rob Schneider, who are very threatening people.
These are very threatening people.
And so we need the full battalions of Antifa to come out to stop this.
But then all the while while this is happening, we knew this event was coming up.
Gavin Newsom knew this event was coming up, but he's out in Brazil LARPing as the president of the United States and also just pretending to be something he's not.
He can't get his act together.
And I'm supposed to believe that Gavin Newsom just turned a blind eye to Antifa.
This is the same Gavin Newsom that stopped ICE agents and federal agents from coming into California, but can't stop Antifa from attacking our attendees at our event.
I want justice for this.
I'm not going to turn a blind eye to this.
I want to find out who's paying these Antifa people.
I want to find out who they are.
I want every single one of them arrested who have broken a law.
I want justice for this.
I am upset.
I am mad.
This has been two months after this happened, and I do not want Antifa at our events like this.
Yeah.
Rob, what's your take on that?
I wish you would have been with me on Fox News this morning.
You said way better than anything I said this morning.
No, I think what we have to do is we need to have accountability.
We need to find out who's funding this because there were people there that are paid agitators and these are domestic terrorists.
I mean, it's the very definition of what terrorism is.
It's frightening other people.
These are American students.
These are people at a university and they have their rights.
And these rights, their civil rights are being impeded when you are preventing them from doing their expression of free speech, which is the ability to not just talk, but to hear.
And that is a blatant, a blatant violation of civil rights violation.
And somebody needs to be held accountable.
Absolutely.
Now, as far as our response has to be as a reflection of God's light.
And that's what Charlie was.
And that's what I was so humbled when I was at university with Charlie, because he was there for the love of these kids because he knew where the future was.
He knew that if we lose these kids, we lose everything.
And we have to have these kids.
And so while the left wants to silence us, it just makes us, I mean, look at all the publicity from yesterday.
I think it's pretty obvious to anybody who is not, you know, in a political echo chamber of MSNBC and the illiberal left who the real fascists are.
We love America and the love of country.
And they try to, you know, to group us into some sort of weird, you know, nationalistic negativity.
Well, nationalism in its expansion is negative.
That's true.
But nationalism, when your country is under threat, is necessary.
We have to love our country and protect our country.
So in that sense, this is a healthy nationalism and supporting our kids, young people, to be able to express themselves and to hear opposing viewpoints.
And the University of Berkeley has proven themselves to be the shamefully anti-free speech.
And for the university that really spoke to and started the university free speech movement for all speech, not just, they specifically said not left or right, but for all speech.
It is an absolute shame on that university.
And historians will look back at this moment as the most shameful moment in the history of the University of Berkeley.
And that's saying a lot.
Well, guess what, Rob?
They couldn't stop us.
They couldn't stop you.
They couldn't stop our students.
So let's just give a little taste of what actually the inside of that auditorium looked like, 170.
So Rob Schneider, thank you for your time.
I know you got a dash.
You're a busy man, but thank you again for your courage, your bravery, your willingness to step forward and serve the country, to serve our students and to serve Turning Point USA.
You're a good man and a great patriot.
We thank you.
It's an honor to be here.
And I will tell you that, like, it really was that empty chair next to me broke my heart.
And I want to send my love out to Erica and to all the people at Turning Point USA, where it will always feel like it's Wednesday and the day that Charlie passed.
So two months later, it really filled me with a conviction for love of country, but it really filled me with the Holy Spirit that and all that, the pressure and all the tension and the love of the people in that room and the love for Charlie.
And I compared it to, and rightfully so, for these young people, their experience is like Martin Luther King was killed and gave his life fighting for sanitation workers so that they could have a decent living, so they were able to be able to, you know, take care of their families in a way where it was decent.
And Charlie Kirk wanted children, wanted young minds to be able to unlock themselves from this academia that was force-feeding them to be advocates to an illiberal policy that was anti-American, anti-Western civilization.
And we have to continue to expand freedom and to remind people how precious this experiment in freedom is.
And Charlie knew that better than anybody.
He was a living, breathing, brilliant modern-day founding father.
And I'm so glad that I was able to tell him that before he passed.
And that missing chair, that empty chair, for me, it'll always be Wednesday as well.
So I want to send love out to everybody and all those wonderful kids who attended the other day and everybody at Turning Point USA.
God bless you and thank you for the honor of having me there.
That's beautiful, Rob.
Thank you so much for saying that.
Again, I know you got a dash, but we're grateful you made the time.
I know you squeezed this in to do this show today.
And you're just a good man.
You're a good patriot, Rob.
And you're full of love.
They're going to tell you that you're a hater, you're fascist, all this stuff.
Just keep making us laugh.
Keep doing it.
We're going to keep asking you to come out and talk to these students.
And we just appreciate it, man.
I'll do it.
And I'll come sit with you.
I want to come in for the whole hour.
We'll have a good time.
Oh, I love that.
Yes.
Let's do it soon.
Let's do it soon.
Thank you, Mark.
I know how to get a hold of you.
So that's good.
All right.
Thanks, Rob.
God bless you.
All right.
I got to play this clip here.
This is the police chief at UC Berkeley.
I believe it's, I believe we got it loaded.
Yeah, we do.
This is a police chief at UC Berkeley, Yoganda Yogananda, Yoganada Pittman, Yoganada.
You can't make this stuff up.
She used to be a Capitol Police officer in charge of Intel.
Let me fact-check that in just a second, but we'll play this clip.
And she is like all in on the DEI stuff.
So she went from Capitol Police, probably during J6, over to UC Berkeley and became their police chief.
Play Cut 257.
When I started with U.S. Capitol Police, there were zero, as in no persons of color and no women in leadership positions.
I wanted to be a change agent, not only for my organization, but for the profession.
I didn't want any women to have to have the experiences that I had when I was oftentimes sitting in a room that was occupied by only white men.
Okay, Mikey, you got your answer.
You want to point the finger somewhere?
Talk about what?
You know what?
I think that's why they were rioting.
There were not enough black, Indigenous, trans police officers on site, and therefore they were upset about it, and therefore that's why they rioted.
That's clearly what's happening.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, check this out.
So she's the chief police at UC Berkeley now, Yogananda Pittman.
And she was in charge of intelligence for the U.S. Capitol Police before and during J6 and became acting chief.
And then, you know, apparently Chief Sund from J6 said that she failed to warn of planned J6 violence.
Jeez.
So look at this.
All the weird connecting dots.
Throw her picture up there if you could.
Just keep it up there.
So it really is like an institutional thing.
We talked a little bit about the UC Davis attack when they broke all the windows.
And yesterday on Turning Point Tonight, we lit up Gary May, who's the chancellor over there, who before that event put out a video saying, hey, by the way, I know we all hate these people, but we're legally obligated to have them on campus.
What would have been a correct response is, hey, by the way, we uphold the culture of free speech at this university.
He didn't need to say we agreed with them.
He didn't need to say anything other than this is going to happen, but instead said, all of you people that are, your feelings are hurt that these people are here, I agree with you.
And unfortunately, my hands are tied by the law and I have to let them speak.
This happens every single time we go to a UC school.
UCLA was the same way.
They had some weird list that you had to be on like a week in advance so that you can get into the event.
And that's why the event was half full because they stopped everybody prematurely from coming to the thing.
And it's a systematic problem, specifically at the UC schools.
And it seems to be evidenced by, at least in part, the DEI police chief they've got over there.
Well, excuse me.
I don't mean to.
It's that bad.
It really is.
All the dots connecting.
And these schools, they do sabotage our events.
It's very active how they sabotage.
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We do have the great Andrew Cipher, however, and we have the great Joe Bob and the great Mikey Book.
Could just keep talking about Berkeley because, Andrew, I mean, you plan that.
Okay, this actually is a good point.
Give me the rundown of what actually happened because you and I talked two different times.
You were explaining how this kind of sabotage happens.
Give us the rundown.
Well, it's kind of to be expected at this point with the UC schools.
Anytime you're going to a University of California school, you just know that they're not going to cooperate.
Legally, they're bound to, and so they're going to do what they must at a minimum.
But that's it, at a minimum.
Yeah.
And so, day of, a couple weeks out, they decided to switch the ticketing policy on us.
It's kind of par for the course.
They always liked, oh, by the way, no longer can we use your ticketing system.
You have to use ours.
We're not going to allow standby tickets anymore.
And then we fought them on that.
Okay, we'll give you 150 standby tickets.
We're like, well, you do realize this venue, you know, accommodates 2,000 plus people, and there's 6,000 people that want to come that we have on the books.
And that's just who we have on the books.
We have way more, thousands more that wanted to come on top of that.
So we knew the games they were going to play.
Day of, they brought in the entire police squad.
Not just their campus police, but they contracted other police, other security.
They blocked off the entire quad right in front of the entrance of the theater.
And they had four entrances that they were going to use.
But they decided to go with one, one entrance, which created a V-shaped funnel to get into the theater.
We've seen this before.
And where did the protests set up?
Right next to, not just right next to, right in front of the one entrance that they gave for our attendees.
What are they called?
So free speech plaza or something?
Free speech zone?
They designate, police will designate a free speech zone protesters.
Such a garbage name.
And by the way, every other tour stop where they've done this, they've always put the free speech zone away where they cannot obstruct the attendees.
Well, yeah.
And also just for safety, just to keep them far enough away from each other.
So you don't see what we saw the other night, which was people confronting each other.
Well, and again, I don't want to sound repetitive, but they do this at all the UC schools.
At UC Davis, it was the same thing.
All of the attendees got funneled through the one spot that all of the Antifo people were.
We're talking.
It's a deterrent.
It's a deterrent.
It's a big point.
Do you think the police do that on purpose?
I think the police cooperate with administrators.
I think that's the best.
I think the administrators are saying this is what we want to do.
The police will then sign off on it.
Because here's the thing: standby people and our perspective, all attendees that wanted to get in, they weren't ushered in until the police took over.
Once it started to get a little chaotic, there was violence happening when they're imitating gunshots, imitating, reenacting, essentially reenacting the assassination of Charlie.
They're playing clips, and then they had a car backfiring at the end of Charlie's live recording of that day.
At that point, everyone was starting to freak out because they thought it was gunshots.
People were running.
They were running.
And at that point, the police said, administrators, stand by.
We're taking charge.
We're letting everybody in.
Good.
And so it was the police that came to our aid in the name of safety.
Yeah, I think the police will step in and do their job if they're given the ability to, right?
This is a hint of the administrative state.
Both on college campuses in the UC system, but then also in our government.
Like when administrators get involved, things go south.
But I think you're totally right.
All of the police officers and the police presence there were working their best to actually get people into the venue.
But I do think they were positioned in a terrible way.
And it's either incompetence or handicapped.
I'll take the latter.
I agree with you.
I think so too.
But those are the only two options.
I mean, we always say big government sucks around here.
The college administrations and institutions as a whole are so bureaucratic that they don't even know who is their boss.
When you're at this event, there are literally so many staffers and policemen that if you go to them, you say, who's calling the shots here?
They're like, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And so when chaos is happening, which when it started to unfold, the imitated gunshots, everything.
No one knew what to do because they all had four different bosses and they didn't know who to go to.
And when you went to that boss, they said, well, I have to get it approved by my other boss.
And then that person has to get approved by another boss.
It just goes to show how ineffective these events, if they just refer, defer to the experts, which we are, defer to the campus police.
These events could be run so much smoother as they are in every other state.
Is California the hardest state to work with?
It's not even close.
Gavin.
It's Gavin's fault.
Well, it's because his son is a huge fan of Charlie Kirk, but now he doesn't want to admit it.
Yeah.
That bothers me so much, by the way.
Me too.
He's just lying.
Anyways, maybe his son's not a fan anymore.
I don't know.
All right.
Allie Beth Stuckey, conservative millennial, the host of the Relatable Podcast on Blaze TV.
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Well, I'm glad to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Well, so I'm going to bring in Andrew Cipher, who's our great vice president of field ops at Turning Point USA for this part, Allie, because I'm not going to, I'm just going to say, why don't you, you do it?
Because the timeline of this, I think, will play into some larger conversations.
So tell us about an event, Cypher, that we just couldn't.
Well, I mean, here's the thing.
So we just concluded our official, this is the turning point tour two days ago.
Allie, you were a great part of that.
Thank you so much.
Fantastic part of that.
Thank you for coming.
We know Charlie, you were one of the first people he wanted to come on the tour.
Thank you.
It's an honor.
But here's the exciting thing.
People want in on it.
They want to continue the movement that we're seeing on these college campuses.
These tour stops are exploding in every way.
And in fact, so we just got off the phone and we just finalized a plan to have two more fun events.
They're not part of the official tour, but we're going to just keep in the energy and momentum as long as we have for the remainder of the semester.
One's going to be at George Washington University with a man that Charlie loved.
And he wins that one.
Next Monday at Washington University.
So just so we're just so we're tracking the time.
That's a week out.
Yeah.
And we just decided to do it today.
So this team confirmed with us late last night.
All right.
And then there's a second one that you can actually be more specific.
This one I can share the details with.
But someone that Charlie really wanted on the tour was Tom Homan, our favorite czar.
And so Tom Homan will be coming to University of Texas at El Paso.
And it's just a very fitting location because the campus sits on top of a hill overlooking the border wall.
So I think it's very fitting.
And Charlie wanted to bring Tom Homan to that.
Charlie really wanted Tom.
So immigration.
Yeah, because immigration is so key.
So Allie, you have, we just did two events.
This magician over here, one is in a week and one is in a month.
And I think that's interesting because a little bit of controversy erupted on social media about the UVU event.
And you kind of waded into that debate about how long out we plan these events.
And this is the guy that is instrumental in helping plan so many of them.
He has a whole big team, but sometimes these things come together months in advance.
Sometimes they come through in a week.
And so you have been a part of that conversation.
Yeah, it was just, it was bothering me.
And I never claimed to have any like secret knowledge or insight.
I just had the information that I had as someone who has been on campus with Charlie before, Auburn in 2022, and then on campus is without Charlie too.
And I just know from experience that these things can come together at the last minute.
Maybe not always, as you guys could say.
Sometimes it's months in advance.
Sometimes it's weeks in advance.
Maybe sometimes it's days in advance.
But he texted me along with Mikey and he said, would love for you to be on campus November 3rd.
This is at the end of August.
And I was like, What campus?
Like, give me some information.
I would love to.
I'll go anywhere.
But like, where is it?
And he said, oh, it's either Auburn or this other university in Alabama.
I think Mikey responded and said that.
And I'm like, okay, so like, we're eight weeks out.
We don't know which campus it is.
But I was like, yeah, I'm game.
Like, you know, let's do it whenever.
But that just happened to be how a lot of these events in my experience came together.
So to say that there was something nefarious because UVU was booked last minute just didn't track with me.
Well, I mean, just so everybody's aware, especially anything with Charlie connected to it, like Charlie is the definition of controlled chaos, and he's constantly pushing the team to do more and cram more events in.
Joe Bob, you're getting the call like late, like, hey, you got to open this event like tomorrow, by the way.
Where are you?
I was going to say, there was one time where three days before he said, can you go to Davos, Switzerland across the world?
And of course, I was like, yeah, I'd definitely make that happen.
But also a little bit of heads up would have been nice.
That's like a common refrain.
Like, oh, okay, the little advanced, and we're just like, it's pure controlled chaos.
And your events team, well, it's not the events team.
This is another, I think people don't understand our events team for like conferences and big like conventions and multi-day thing is completely different than our field team, which plans the campus stuff.
So it's like two different teams.
Yeah, and people need to realize when you're working on campus, the reason why we separate the two, we have a tourist team and then we have an events team is because working with schools, as we've shared with you, it's a whole different layer of bureaucracy and policies you have to abide by.
As Allie said, she's like, I didn't even know what school she was going to.
We probably didn't even know what school she was going to.
We just wanted to make sure she was good for the tour.
And then we had to go present all these names to the schools and say, hey, when works for you, what availability do you have for the largest school rooms you have on campus?
And when it comes to these campuses, you know, sports are given, athletics are given that first priority, then academia, and then student groups are given third, you know, we're third in line to be able to get these.
We're lowest on the pecking order to reserve our space at these campuses.
So oftentimes you're like, well, we want to event this size, but we have to wait for which school is going to come through with the goods.
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All right, Allie, this was your text exchange with Charlie that you mentioned, 260.
So this is, hey, would love to have you join us on campus 11.3.
And you go, send more info and you can.
And then Mike chimes in.
November 3rd at 6.30, either Auburn University, 5,000 seats.
It's actually 6,000, I think, is what we realized.
Or University of South Alabama, 2,800 seats.
So it's like, you know, you build the plane as it's taking off sometimes.
And that's just, that's just the way it is.
Well, I mean, with our halftime show, we announced the halftime show and we were like, well, we're going to.
We'll fill in the details later.
details later yeah we know we know that we have all the yeah exactly And by the way, don't let perfect be the enemy of good and don't let perfection get in the way because like at the end of the day, we have multiple venues at the halftime show that are open and want to work with us and we're kind of making last determinations on that.
We have lots of talent that wants to work with us and we're making final determinations on that.
And that's just the way events get planned.
If you force yourself to have all the I's dotted and the T's crossed before you even start Allie, you're never going to get started.
Yeah, so true.
And I always love that about Turning Point.
I love yes, people.
I love that when someone has a creative idea, when people say, let's see how we can make it happen, instead of, well, here's why that's not going to work.
As someone who like has a lot of ideas myself, my favorite people are the people around me who are like, yes, let's see what we can do.
And it sounds to me like Charlie, you know, filled his life with people like that.
I was also looking back at my text with my assistant from 2022 when I was speaking at Auburn, which was such a fun time.
We spoke on March 31st.
On March 22nd, my assistant texted me and said, I am on a call today to talk about location for Auburn, the time for Auburn, and the subjects for Auburn.
So literally a week in advance, we were putting things together and figuring out what are we going to talk about and when.
So again, in all of my experiences with Turning Point, everything has been excellent.
Everything has been organized and good, but it's a little last minute sometimes.
That's just how things go.
Well, we have so many events all over the country.
Okay, you actually did some data on this.
Do you want me to pull it up?
Because it's in our Telegram chain.
But here, I'll pull it up.
But the number of events, people do not understand just how much we're doing.
So let me just pull this up.
Look at this.
So this would be high school numbers, recruitment tablings, over 3,400, chapter meetings, over 3,200 chapter meetings, 600 plus events on high schools.
That's just high school.
So then you add college, fall numbers, 2025, 8,000 recruitment tabling events, chapter meetings, 4,050, and over 500 college events.
This is all happening all the time, every week, day in, day out, day in, day out.
And that's what people don't realize.
So when they're saying, how do these events get planned last minute?
How do these events come together?
Well, what they don't realize is our campus tour.
Yeah, that's kind of our signature tour, right?
That's what everyone sees.
We put in our biggest production value and our biggest investment into that.
You're going to have the biggest audiences.
But what people don't see is that day in and day out, we're going to do nearly 1,200 campus events this fall alone on college and high school campuses.
Many of which Allie has been to, the ones I teased.
And these are not just small little, you know, talking with 10, 15 kids.
These are events on the regular where we're bringing in 500 plus students to hear from Tom Holman and other big speakers of the administration and local pundits.
And so, and a lot of this, what's unique about Turning Point is it's not a top-down organizational structure.
It's a bottom-up.
We're here to serve the students.
These students come to us and say, hey, I want to host Allie Bestucky on my campus.
How do I make that happen?
And so then these students put in all the legwork, and it's truly an organic manifestation of the movement.
Okay, Allie, you saw the clips.
You've seen the reaction from UC Berkeley.
We just had Rob Schneider, comedian actor, who was there at the event.
Joe Bobby sitting to my left was there at the event.
When you, as somebody that goes and speaks on college campuses with us and you see this kind of craziness, what's going through your head?
Man, oh man, I was just talking to Frank Turek about this and just how sad the whole thing was and how there's probably going to be a whole case about this, like a civil rights conflict that went on here just because UC Berkeley didn't uphold their end of the contract to allow this to go on and to take the right measures.
And so to me, that is what is even more frightening to me.
It's not only that we've got these agitators who are very violent and pro-death and mocking Charlie's murder, just disgusting, but also that the people who are put in place to protect free speech and to protect people like me who say things that are considered controversial may not have my back and may not have the backs of the turning point students or the people in attendance.
That is scary.
This is an institutional corruption and condoning of violence that I think all of us need to be very aware of.
What do you want to see happen?
Oh, well, I think that UC Berkeley, I think that their funding should be suspended.
I mean, they get a lot of money from the government.
And I would love to see the Trump administration go after universities like this that don't uphold a commitment to free speech, that violate the First Amendment rights of the attendees and of the speakers there.
Basically, you know, it's a heckler's veto.
All of the people who are protesting, they're the ones who get to shut down speech when the university said, no, we're going to protect and allow this event.
No, there should be consequences for that, not rewards for that.
And they need to, these universities need to be held accountable.
And these police officers also need to be held accountable for purposely failing to do their jobs.
So, Cypher, I want to bring you into this with Allie here because, I mean, you said something to me, and I don't mean to put you on the spot, so feel free to push back.
But you said when you heard those, the car backfire, and all your staff that was there on, a lot of you were there at UVU.
What goes through your mind when that happens?
When you hear what sounds like a gunshot go off?
Now, keep in mind, the backfiring happened outside the perimeter of security.
So we're in the quad.
All of our staff are within the quad.
And then there's a wall of police.
There's barriers.
And then there's hundreds of protesters, many of which are on the shoulders of other protesters.
So you can't see beyond the protesters and they're screaming and the vile things they're saying.
You can't even see who they are, by the way, because they're all covered up.
And so when you're hearing that backfiring, which sounded identical to the same pop that we heard at University, Utah Valley University, I looked around and I saw many of my staff who were there at the first on September 10th, many of which just went into a state of paralysis.
I have to admit, even myself, the first time it happened, I remained lucid.
I was very aware of my surroundings.
This time it was a look.
I looked at a peer who was also there at the first one, and we looked at each other as if, well, if it's meant to be, Lord, I understand.
But then I looked at other staff.
You should not be in that position.
I'm so sorry.
It was just the PTSD is real.
But here's the thing, is many of the staff did not run.
They stood their ground and they immediately said, we need to get all of our attendees out there outside the safety perimeter inside now.
And that was immediate action.
Many thoughts of everyone around us was how do we get everyone to safety?
How do we get those that deserve to be in here in here and keep those vile people outside?
It's heroic.
Allie, final 20 seconds to you.
You know what?
Everywhere we see progressivism, everywhere we see these communist activists on the ground, we see violence.
And this is not just true in America in the past five years.
This has been true for the past hundred plus years that communism and militant leftism has been around.
They cannot exist without violence, without vile hatred, without the celebration of gruesome death.
This is what the ideology is, and we need to face that.
Thank you, Ali Beth Stuckey, Mikey McCoy, Joe Bob, Ty Lafey, Andrew Cypher.
