Charlie’s Lifelong Education + No Stupid Questions With Gen Z
Charlie never went to college, but that didn’t mean he hated education. Hillsdale’s Larry Arnn talks about Charlie’s lifelong pursuit of knowledge and true wisdom that went far beyond the classroom. Plus, what should Gen Z know about Venezuela and the East Wing of the White House? Thirty-something Blake fields the queries of the show’s twenty-something cast members Daisy and Danny.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome back for hour two of the Charlie Kirk show.
So the top talent of this operation is off at Ole Miss.
We've got Erica out there, but we've got our talented team of Zoomers here and also me.
And so we wanted to bring back a segment that was a lot of fun last summer, and I think a lot of people liked it.
Last summer, we had the conflict, you know, the temporary war with Iran.
And so we sort of did a segment where we had one of our Gen Z members, Daisy, ask me questions about Iran.
And we wanted to bring that back.
I think it would be fun.
We just talked about the need to outreach to Gen Z. Well, we have Gen Z right in this office.
And I am a sage elder millennial with the bald head of an even older person.
And we're going to do it.
We're going to do a Q ⁇ A. And if you are in Gen Z and watching, you should also send in questions to Freedom at Charlie Kirk that you would like them to ask.
And we can do those in the second segment.
Yes, I told Blake I always love doing this segment because I don't have to prepare because these are actual questions that I have about actual things that I don't understand.
Alrighty.
Well, what's question number one?
So when we did the segment about Iran, I had questions because I didn't understand what's happening, but I still knew that there's always been some sort of conflict we've had in the Middle East.
This conflict with Venezuela seems to be coming out of nowhere, at least from my perspective.
I don't really remember hearing much about Venezuela being in the news.
I don't remember hearing much about us being in conflict with Venezuela.
So I don't know if, are they at war and with who?
That's a good question.
That's a good opening question.
Are they at war?
Right now, they are not.
There are signs we are moving in that direction that the administration says it's not for that purpose, but just for context, we've sent a carrier group to the Caribbean.
I believe it's the Gerald Ford.
So a carrier group is a big aircraft carrier.
And not just that, but all the ships that go with it.
So it's basically like sending a miniature entire U.S. military to a region.
We don't normally have a lot of security concerns going on in the Caribbean.
So what could they be there for?
Well, it would be Venezuela.
Now, you're probably wondering, as you were saying, what is the deal with Venezuela?
It actually has been a source of tension with the U.S. for some time, not as dramatic as anything going on in the Middle East.
With Iran, we're worried about them getting a nuclear weapon.
We're worried about them supporting militants fighting us in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Syria, and so on.
This is more dialed back, but it's in our own backyard.
So have you ever heard of Hugo Chavez?
Yes, but I would associate that with like a drug lord.
I don't know if that's true.
Okay.
So that's where my head is.
Hugo Chavez.
Hugo Chavez was a guy.
He was a sort of presidential dictator of Venezuela.
I say presidential because he did win an election, but he was very authoritarian.
And then he sort of converted to being a strongman.
In a lot of ways, he actually, he was a colorful figure.
He had a radio show and he'd just ramble for three to four hours at a time, which is a funny thing for a president to do.
But he was this like left-wing Marxist.
So he did a lot of very bad stuff to the Venezuelan economy.
Venezuela has more oil than any other country on earth.
They have more oil than America, more than Russia, more than Saudi Arabia, more than any of them.
And yet, Venezuela is one of the poorest countries in the world because communism and Marxism are that dumb and he messed up the economy that bad that they can't properly produce oil.
They can't properly run their economy.
And as a result, a lot of people have left Venezuela.
A ton of Venezuelans, especially their middle class, fled, a lot of them to the U.S. So it's kind of like an updated version of the Cuba issue.
Castro took over Cuba, a ton of Cubans moved to Florida, and we have these kind of conservative Cubans who always have, you know, are interested in the Cuban regime.
Now we also have a lot of Venezuelans, and there also a lot of them live in Florida.
And so a lot of those want to see, frankly, they want to see regime change in Venezuela.
They want to see the government switch to someone else.
And it's just been this nagging soar in U.S. foreign policy, mostly because it's a country in our own backyard.
They're very close by.
A lot of illegal immigrants have come from there.
A lot of criminals have come from there.
And now, and this is very important, what the Trump administration says is they claim a lot of drugs are coming from Venezuela as well.
Okay, so it does have something to do with drugs.
Yes.
Okay.
So my next question is: there are other countries that I know of, like Somalia or elsewhere, where we've just had a military presence.
We just have people there, whether or not we're at war with them.
Is this different than that?
Yeah, it's definitely different.
The most important thing, of course, is this doesn't have anything to do with, you know, it doesn't have anything to do with containing like China or Russia.
It doesn't have anything to do with fighting Islamic extremism.
I shouldn't say it has nothing to do with China because Venezuela has aligned with these countries that are hostile to us mostly because they just don't like us.
They're like, we're going to join the other team of countries that don't like America.
But the biggest factor with it is primarily just that they're a pretty radically left-wing anti-American government that is only a few hundred miles away from the U.S. And they have persistently been problematic.
They've had some fraudulent elections.
So they still tend to have elections, but they're highly disputed results.
And so I believe in 2024, most recently, they had a pretty rigged election where the opposition wasn't allowed to seriously compete.
The announced numbers were not considered very credible.
And the dissident wing of Venezuelan politics has been very pro-Trump as a result.
You may have heard the Nobel Peace Prize that Trump wanted to win.
It instead went to a Venezuelan political dissident who in turn dedicated her Nobel Peace Prize win to Donald Trump.
So who is currently in charge of Venezuela?
The current head.
So the Hugo Chavez guy I mentioned, he died.
He was a quite fat man.
And so he died rather abruptly about 15 years ago.
And then since then, Nicolas Maduro has ruled Venezuela.
15 years.
About that.
I might be off on the year he died, but he's about that long, yeah.
At least a decade.
How did he come to power?
Do you think they kind of vote, but not really?
He was just the, I think he was the vice president or otherwise immediate successor when Chavez died.
And then he has won elections since that took place.
So does he have problems with the United States?
Yes.
So he says he doesn't.
We had a very funny clip the other day where he's saying, no war, war bad.
He says he doesn't want conflict with us, but he is still a guy who has clung to power through illegitimate elections, who is running this incredibly bad regime.
They're not as bad as ISIS.
They're not mass murdering thousands of people, but they've definitely been authoritarian with dissidents in their country.
They have had rigged elections, and they've totally ruined their country.
That's the saddest thing is Venezuela should be, has essentially free money buried underneath it in the form of oil, and yet they remain a poor country because that is how bad left-wing economics is.
And there's been this tension.
There was tension in the first Trump administration.
There are people who just want to overthrow that government.
Lindsey Graham has wanted to do it.
The Trump administration has not said it wants to do it, but like I said, now we're seeing there's a carrier in the Caribbean.
We have a ship that's in Trinidad.
That's another country that's right next to Venezuela.
And we're also bombing drug boats that we say are coming from Venezuela.
And so it's unclear where this could go from here, but there's clearly signs of escalating tensions with the country.
Escalating with us or have they retaliated yet?
I think they'd be very dumb to retaliate to us.
I think this would be like a three-year-old trying to retaliate against Mike Tyson.
Okay.
Gen Z knows who Mike Tyson is.
Yes.
Okay.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
So, okay, Danny, let me know what you think about this.
Because in my friend group circles, we're not really discussing Venezuela, which is different because when October 7th, Israel Hamas, like that has been a huge topic of conversation, as well as Iran, huge topic of conversation just amongst very apolitical people.
Are your friends discussing or worried about Venezuela at all?
No, not really.
The only thing that we had talked about with Venezuela ever is bombing the drugs coming in from Venezuela on the boats, as we've seen in those videos that Trump has posted on social media.
That's really all that I've ever talked about with my friend group about.
Do they support that?
Do they think it's cool to blow up the drug users?
Yeah, they love that.
Yeah.
So my thought has long been I worry about it just because if you bomb the wrong boat once of innocent people, that's atrocious and that's very bad.
But if they have the ability to be very highly certain on this, I have no problem blowing up drug dealers.
Yeah, I'm all for blowing up drug dealers that are trying to kill thousands of people.
As we have established, I have a highly unmillennial view towards capital punishment generally.
So I should not be taken as a representative elder on that front.
But I can kind of, to reframe this, it's sounding more similar to like any sort of conflict we've had with Mexico.
Similar to that, similar to that.
But we're not going to try to regime change Mexico.
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I'm getting text messages from my friends that are watching right now, and they're all saying how much they support blowing up all the drug dealers.
They want us to go further and start blowing up the cartels in Mexico, which I would also support, but as Blake was saying, we'd need to have some intelligence.
It's not good if you blow up innocent people.
It is very good if you blow up evil, the guilty, though.
We would have to do a whole other no-dumb segments, no-dumb question segments on that then, if we, if we're considering it.
Does Gen Z know what Mexico is?
Have they heard of it?
Yeah, I know more about Mexico, that situation, than I do about Venezuela, but I still have questions.
Really?
Name 50 Mexican cities.
Cabo, Cancun.
All right, but I'm not the one who's asking questions.
You're the one who's asking questions.
Something else I don't know is why everyone on my Instagram and TikTok is freaking out about the East Wing construction.
Okay.
I, because I run in a very conservative bubble, I have seen all of Caroline Levitts, everything we've talked about that Trump is building this beautiful ballroom that can't wait to see.
But why, I mean, there have been arguments that this is unconstitutional.
There have been arguments that he's not allowed to do this, that this is desecrating American property.
Why are people so upset and what is happening?
This might be that you're a younger person, Daisy, but those of us who are older, we know that the East Wing is the heart of America.
It is the heart of America.
That's what it seems like.
There is no building that is more important than the East Wing of the White House.
No, I'm just kidding.
I could tell you the boring answer.
So the White House is the house the president lives in.
I believe the technical term is the executive mansion.
White House is only a nickname.
And as America got bigger and the president's staff got larger, the White House was not really big enough to house everything that you needed to do with the White House.
So they added wings to it, hence why they're called East and West Wing.
Now, contrary to what you think, I think a lot of people in their heads, they think the East Wing of the White House means like the eastern half of the White House.
And there were photos going by viral when they were knocking it down.
And I think people thought they'd literally clawed off the side of the White House.
They have not done that.
Though I will note they've done it in the past.
We once did a total renovation of the White House, gutted the entire interior, replaced the whole thing.
When was that?
In the 40s.
Okay.
Truman didn't live in the White House for about two years because of how extensive it was.
But they added these new wings.
So the West Wing, you've all heard of.
That's where the Rose Garden is outside the West Wing.
It's beautiful.
I've never even heard of the East Wing.
It's actually a quite cramped building if you were ever inside it.
It's like a lot of people in there.
The hallways are very narrow.
But that's where the Oval Office is.
That's where some of the other, you know, the Roosevelt room is.
There's some famous buildings there.
The East Wing is a sort of events venue building that they have, but it's not very large.
I want to say about 200 people can be in it, which this is the United States of America.
We have slightly larger events that need more people.
You can't exactly hold a turning point event in the East Wing.
So Trump wanted to expand it.
It's been known we need to expand it for a long time.
And he announced plans to expand it many months ago.
And he said that it would include, you know, expanding it, and it would include replacing the current East Wing building.
No one has actually strongly cared about the East Wing.
Nobody could tell you what a famous room in the East Wing is.
Probably if you showed people a photo of it, they would not be able to ID it just by design.
No, I don't think I could.
I don't think I could.
I've been to the White House.
I don't think I could tell you, oh, yeah, that's definitely this room at the East Wing.
Yeah, precisely.
And so the real answer is people are freaking out because Trump went and just did a thing.
And you used to be able to do this in the past.
People could just go do things.
The president could try to build something or try to enact a policy.
But what they want, they want total paralysis in America.
There have been complaints where they've said, how is he able to do this without the approval of historians?
So, you know, you have to go find historians.
I'm sure we could find some historians that would be a good idea.
You need to ask all the historians for their permission before you knock over any building.
And that's what they're angry about.
Trump actually just said, we need a bigger building at the White House.
I am the president.
I control the White House.
And so I'm going to knock this over and build a bigger ballroom.
And it's probably going to be very Trumpian in appearance.
He likes his gold leaf.
But it's going to be able to house 600 people.
And the problem he's solving is up to this point, if we wanted to do a state dinner at the White House with a lot of people at it, you had to put up tents on the White House lawn.
You had to put up port-a-potties.
Do you want the Prime Minister of Japan to go into a port-a-potty?
Do you want Vladimir?
Okay, Vladimir Putin and a port-a-potty is kind of funny to envision.
But it's not befitting of a nation of our caliber.
And so that's why Trump did it.
And people are freaking out because they freak out about everything.
So there are no actual legal issues or ramifications for this.
Well, they'll probably find some district court judge who's going to say that it was illegal, but they find district court judges who say everything's illegal.
Right.
Yeah, same question as before, Danny.
Are other people freaking out about this as much as I'm seeing, or is it just a few text messages like the East Wing?
I'm torn up.
They're just as upset about the drugs.
No, not at all.
I don't think they really care at all.
But I would like to know what Blake, if you were president, what would you do with the East Wing?
Let's get in the mind of Blake real quick.
Oh, dear.
That's a lot that I put on my body.
I want to make your vision.
That is my vision a reality.
I don't know.
That's really hard.
I don't even know if we're making it bigger than that.
I would probably want to see it.
I would build a bigger ballroom.
I would name it after Charlie.
I would probably not have old life.
I'm very German.
I don't like the fancy stuff.
I would have it be very humble looking and just have a lot of portraits of American presidents and like great Americans around.
That would be my aesthetic thing in the Charles Kirk National Ballroom, which we should build.
I think that's a great name, personally.
I have no issues with that.
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So without further ado, I am so honored to have the one and only Dr. Larry Arn, president of Hillsdale College, in the studio.
Here we are.
It's a pleasure, sir, because of so many reasons, but namely because of how much Charlie loved and adored and respected you, both in your role at the college, but just as a personal friend of his.
And I know that that was a bond you both shared, and you loved each other and you supported each other.
And so it's an honor to have you here.
The floor is yours.
Reflect on whatever you want to reflect on.
Well, Charlie is the best student I ever saw who didn't go to Hillsdale College, except he did.
He was such a high-minded, generous, powerful, capable young man with amazing self-restraint and self-discipline.
I never met a better person.
And I did fall in love with him.
In the beginning, I thought he was just a 19-year-old show pony.
And I asked him a lot of hard questions, and he didn't know the answer.
He's 19.
And he just immediately was determined to learn the answer.
And so I knew him for the rest of his life, 13 years, and he grew on me to a great friendship.
I adored him.
I think what he's built here is a wonderful thing.
I never really talked about, you know, Charlie, I run a big old business, and Charlie runs a big business, and he built it.
I never talked to him about that very much.
I came here and went around and talked to the staff one day.
At the end of it, I said, Charlie, you really know what you're doing, don't you?
So this place is very vibrant, and Erica is heroic, and you guys are practiced and principled and good at your jobs.
Turning point is growing, I understand.
I'm not surprised by that, and I'm confident that will continue.
Well, thank you for saying that.
And I will say that, and Blake can attest, one of the speeches from the memorial that has been most oft quoted to me or referenced as this moment, of the powerful moment that helped encapsulate the memorial at State Farm Stadium was your speech.
You had four minutes.
We all got rushed through there because there was a whole, I mean, we had a whole program and it was executed with precision.
But your speech, this clip, just listening to it back, is one of the most poignant, I don't know how many words.
It's got to be like 25 words, 30 words.
And I've had more people tell me about this.
And so I'm going to play it here and get your reaction and maybe your reflection, rather, on what you said.
Play cut 193.
You know, a good thing is a thing that has being.
An assassin is not a thing that has being.
The assassin must give up his humanity to destroy something that has being.
Charlie lives on.
The assassin will die.
It's a powerful moment, Dr. Arn.
Yeah.
Well, that's one of the first conversations I had with Charlie.
What is a good thing?
What is good?
What does it mean for a thing to be good?
Charlie got into, you know, that's the fundamental question in philosophy, by the way.
That's what Socrates is always asking.
And Charlie wanted to know the answer to that.
And he, Erica gave, you know, it's probably the best speech at the memorial.
Very powerful woman.
So deeply aggrieved.
She read from his journals.
Two, I think maybe three, but two for sure of the stories were class notes on Aristotle class.
She told me my name was at the top of the pages because I know something about Aristotle and got him reading it.
And see, that's, I think what you have to do, I mean, this is what Turning Point has to do.
You can only save America by making it good again.
And young people can only contribute to America if they live well.
And to live well is to learn and know and practice the moral and the intellectual virtues.
And Charlie was a model of that.
He became a very knowledgeable young man, and he had these enormous gifts.
He was a very powerful guy, very charming, very fun.
To be around Charlie, every time I was around him a lot, every time I was around him, it was a giggle.
And also serious, right?
Well, we have to live like that to be a free people.
And, you know, so many young people are lost today because they go off to college and they tell them nothing is good or true objectively.
Which, by the way, is a statement about the truth, isn't it?
The right response to that is, is that true?
And Charlie got into that, and he led millions of young people toward a better path.
I just think that whole discussion, what is it to be good?
What is it?
What are we ultimately aimed at?
It's sort of the bigger picture thing.
Charlie wrote a book called The College Scam.
He routinely said college was a scam.
But then we did these ads for Hillsdale.
He would have him on.
He always spoke well of Hillsdale as the best college in America.
And it's because you're probably one of the only college heads in America who could give an answer to that about why a university, why a college education would matter, why, you know, what the goal of it should be beyond just sending a bunch of money to a college bureaucrat or getting some credential.
And it's the ability to actually answer that question.
Why are you bothering to learn any of these things in the first place?
Why does it actually matter that you read these books or understand these things?
And that's, you know, I think I imagine that's why we're going to continue touting Hillsdale going forward is because there aren't many schools that do that.
And our goal still remains to make more schools like that.
And that's what Charlie would care about.
He didn't just want to burn down higher education because it, you know, caused him a tiff.
He wanted it to be something more worthy of the people who attended.
This is a really good point that you're making because often Charlie would be accused of being anti-intellectual or anti-education.
Charlie was the most pro-education person I have ever met.
He was the most pro-intellectual person I have ever met.
And he loved being connected to you, Dr. Arne.
He loved being connected to Hillsdale because he believed that you were doing it the right way.
Well, he, you know, he called me once before he published that book and said, I'm going to publish a book telling kids not to go to college, but I'm exempting Hillsdale.
And I said, thank you very much.
He was giving me a warning.
And I said, thank you very much.
And he said, do you think it's right I should publish that book?
And I said, yeah, I said, you know, there are some marvelous teachers scattered here and there.
If you go to, if you encounter one of them, college will be a golden experience.
But otherwise, it's not institutionalized that it's a golden experience in very many places anymore.
So that's what Charlie is saying.
And Charlie, you know, Charlie was a student in our online courses, an assiduous student.
He took a lot of them, took nearly all of them, I think.
And people are always asking me which one.
So we're not at the college, we're not using Charlie's name except to praise him because there's a flurry of that right now.
Probably, you know, people have been giving us money for scholarships for Turning for in honor of Charlie.
And if Erica wants me to, I'm going to turn those into scholarships for kids recommended by Turning Point.
Wonderful.
And she probably will.
I told her today.
But I, you know, mostly the most important thing, you know, from my point of view, Charlie was a student who succeeded in making himself knowledgeable of the best things to know and living in light of them.
And he was an encouragement to why young, especially young men who are lost these days, right?
They just flock to him.
At Hillsdale College, the night of his assassination, it wasn't organized.
Our chapel, which holds 1,500, was full for five hours in a prayer vigil.
And I brought Erica a box, big box of letters that Hillsdale students wrote to her.
We didn't ask them to do that.
They got up a letter-writing campaign.
You know, we have a, I don't know if Erica showed you, but we have a whole basic warehouse filled with these beautiful presents and letters that have come in from all over the country and people have dropped them off.
And the outpouring of love and support.
I mean, we make much of some of the negativity, some of the really vile behavior that we've seen because it deserves to be taboo.
It deserves to be shamed.
But I will never, ever forget how much people have prayed for us, how much people have poured out their love for Charlie through us.
And it is, I will tell you, it's truly life-changing.
So it's beautiful to hear that.
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I wanted to play this clip really quick for you, for the audience to see you and Charlie interact a little bit together.
Let's go ahead and play.
I believe we have this clip.
Let's just play 197.
Hillsdale is the cutting edge, and I mean it.
It is America's greatest college.
What are you seeing with the new students coming into Hillsdale?
It's an overwhelmingly Christian college, almost everybody.
We've never in 182 years required a faith statement to attend the college.
Our official doctrine is mere Christianity.
That is to say, we got our Catholics and we got our Protestants and we got our Orthodox and we got every kind of Protestant.
And we talk about that.
I like to say we have the arguments of the Reformation going on all the time here, not the wars of the Reformation.
There is a prayer service on every floor and wing of every dormitory every day.
Well, there you go.
There's a little piece, a little taste.
I mean, you guys had these conversations.
I mean, you had so many of these conversations.
We could have picked any number of clips, but I just think it's powerful to see you and Charlie just interacting.
It just, this is a cat, like the comfort, the casualness of it, the ability you guys had to riff off one another was you were singing from the same hymnal.
I did.
The last time I was on his show, when did that happen?
I can't remember.
He gave a speech for us here in Phoenix.
And I will tell you what I thought about that speech.
We had a big crowd.
We had 900 people there, I think.
And I sat there and watched him give the speech, and I said, boy.
And see, Charlie's always a boy to me.
Right?
That boy has learned a lot.
It was masterful.
And it was the crisis.
You know, the crisis in America is a crisis of principle and thought, which has given rise to a distortion in our institutions in America.
The Constitution's not working right, right?
Charlie, you know, to the extent that he helped get Donald Trump elected, and that is some considerable extent, it's fundamentally important that now it's been shown that you can dismiss a civil servant.
And that's, you know, who would have thought it, you know?
Well, Charlie had to do with that, right?
But he understood the arguments behind that.
He, he, you know, I mean, first of all, politics, you know, politics is like a bad word, right?
Politics is the method by which a free people govern themselves.
And they have to be in control of it.
And so we've built this state that is not responsive.
You know, in the scholarship on the administrative state, there's an argument how many rulemaking how many rulemaking bodies in America there are.
Not how many rules.
How many bodies are making them?
Hard to tell.
It's a great question.
I had this great conversation with Alex Marlowe, who was in the studio with us for two shows.
And he was just telling me about some of what he experienced with when Andrew Breitbart died.
And a lot of people said that Breitbart was going to be no more.
And then he said he experienced another wave of that with Steve Bannon when he left Breitbart and that Breitbart's going to be no more.
And he was saying, he's like, listen, part of Andrew's legacy was us carrying it on.
Part of the institution that Andrew built at Breitbart was what he trained people like Alex Marlowe to do and to carry on.
And to this day, Breitbart is two, three, four times bigger than it was when Andrew was alive.
And obviously, we've gotten this, you know, we are, there is no replacing Charlie.
That's not what I'm saying.
But Charlie would want us to get every ounce of enthusiasm and love that has been poured out after his death and make use of it and turn it to good.
And I think it's a holy duty.
It's a sacred honor that we have to continue his work.
Yeah, you will, too.
I mean, first of all, no America without George Washington.
And it continued after he died, in part because of his work.
What is an institution?
It's a set of principles and people serving them in some organized way.
Charlie built that, right?
And that, and if all he wanted to do was, you know, there are people who make money just going around giving speeches on college campuses.
And they might have, you know, an assistant or an agent, right?
Charlie built this whacking big old thing.
It's all over the place.
And that meant before he died, Turning Point was not only Charlie.
So what you've lost is your founder.
But if you found it well, then it will continue.
And he did.
Well, you've done that as well at Hillsdale.
I mean, you did not found Hillsdale College.
I didn't.
No.
The only job I've ever had in a college is the one I have right now.
And, you know, I went to graduate school.
I got a fabulous.
I happened upon the right things to know.
And, of course, I was surrounded by people who hated those things.
So I was never ambitious to work in a college.
And because most of my friends are PhDs, and Charlie, who's kind of, should get a PhD, he's getting a BhD in May at Hillsdale College.
The point is, they always hold college presidents in contempt.
So of all the jobs in the world, that'd be the last one I wanted.
And then I discovered that our college was beautifully founded by people who became friends of Abraham Lincoln.
And I love that stuff.
So in 50 years and 100 years, one prays and believes, people will be honored to work at Turning Point because it was so well begun.
And if a thing is well begun, by the way, how would you refound America to make it better than the American founding?
It is actually as perfect as a human thing can be in the modern world, right?
After the birth of Jesus.
Date the modern world from that because politics changes after Jesus is born because he's everyone's savior and he doesn't set up a government.
And so you have to have freedom of religion.
And you still have to have all the things that countries do now devoted to freedom.
The name on the t-shirt, the day Charlie was shot.
You see?
So we, our founders, solved that problem.
And there's no progress possible beyond that.
We can only remember it and revive it when it flags.
And that's what, that's our work as Americans today.
Every American has two jobs, and one is to live an excellent life.
Charlie is a model of that.
And the other is to repair his country.
And Charlie was a model of that.
I think we should, you know, I think we could maybe end with another.
We have a video of Charlie, actually, what he said about Hillsdale.
Darn it.
Okay.
Well, I guess we didn't have that one in time.
Let me quote him.
Charlie said Hillsdale was great.
Yes.
Charlie said Hillsdale was great.
He said it was America's finest college.
More than time.
There's a tape.
We haven't used it because we don't.
But there's a tape of Charlie talking to a young, and he went all over the internet.
And he's talking to a young woman.
No, she's like 10 or 11, right?
And he said, if you're going to go to college, go to Hillsdale College or don't go.
Well, that is a good.
We endorse that message.
We endorse that message.
Dr. Larian, what a privilege.
Thank you for making time out of your busy schedule to join us here and to come visit us all.
