Why is American politics breaking down? One reason is that the powerful keep imposing false choices on the American public? Steve Deace explains how asking the right questions can expose the real beliefs of our opponents and smash through their many false choices on welfare, abortion, Israel, and more. Plus, Chicago reporter William Kelly weighs whether Trump should send the National Guard to Chicago next after he takes care of Washington D.C. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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He's a very clear thinker and someone that I deeply appreciate when we're in the midst of confusing times.
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show and you can follow him on x steve day's show and also a movie producer of nefarious steve great to see you my friend steve i want you to comment on something that i know you've been riffing on which is this problem of false choices it seems as if we're constantly caught in the prism of false choices of the left they want us to be in this prison of binary false choices life does not work that way and far too often we are trapped in that rhetorically and politically Can you expand on this argument?
I think it's very deep.
And by the way, we saw this with the Iran thing.
Either you're a Ron Paul isolationist or you're a Wolfowitz neoconservative.
It's not as if there was a third or fourth or fifth or sixth option.
I feel as if this might be part of an information war tactic to try and divide and splinter and schism the conservative movement.
Steve Days.
I 100% agree.
I think the term that you just defined for us is Syops.
What are they?
And a great way, Charlie, to debunk those.
And sometimes it's referred to the Socratic method.
But you see, our Lord used this in the New Testament a lot.
The asking of questions in order to expose false choices.
Where's your power to forgive sins from?
Well, I mean, I'll reveal that if you tell me it was, you know, where did John the Baptist get the power to baptize from right the the response of a question with a question so that you can find out is the person that is raising the point even if you vehemently disagree with it are they acting are they good faith actor or not charlie or are is this in order to cover up what their real argument is you know for example during the obama years we had more people on food stamps than the total population of spain much of his presidency and i always wondered at the time why aren't we celebrating this i mean why aren't
we having press conferences in the rose garden uh why aren't i mean if if welfare state equals compassion according to their own messaging over there then we should be holding press releases there should be uh you know presidential uh press gaggles and avails congratulating the American people for the record amount of compassion they are demonstrating through the food stamp program.
And notice we did not have that, right?
And it's because ultimately those lines are tropes, they're scams and they're lies.
But you need to ask the right questions in order to flesh that out.
For example, why would it, why would Democrats be hindered so much in the next midterm election if we didn't count illegal aliens?
And one of the things I love to add to that is we use this phrase on our show a lot, which is, what's the benign innocent explanation for that?
What would be the benign and innocent explanation for why Democrats keep telling us that if we don't count illegal aliens in the census, they're going to lose seats?
What's a benign and innocentanation for that.
There often isn't one.
And you can do this on things like pro-life too, which is, tell you what, listen, I'm a wife begins at conception and it ought to be a 100% banned guy that thinks personhood is granted in the fifth and fourteenth amendments of the U.S. Constitution.
I'll prove your point.
I'll show your level of superior empathy for women that are sadly succumb to rape and incest, which is how some of the kids in my own family line were conceived, frankly.
But I will grant you that premise.
And how about this then?
will ban all abortions unless, unless there is a case where someone has filed a rape charge and then they're permitted to do one.
Do you think Charlie, Not a single one of them would vote for it.
So it's not really about women in rape and incest.
It's about they really want to just kill all the babies.
And so I think our ability to ask these kinds of questions that flesh out false choices, I think that's going to be key, particularly in the new information age, where things are the best thing about the new information age is it's more democratized than ever.
And the worst thing about it is it's more democratized than ever.
All right.
So we have to make sure that we can find clarity in that when everybody's got a voice.
Yeah.
And part of it, by the way, and you do a great job of this, and I need to do an even better job is having the intellectual courage to break through of that prism.
And what, what, what, what, I want to play around with this for a second, Steve, because you would.
think that in the social media era we would have more of those nuance we would have less of the prison of the binary but it seems like we are still trapped in that grandfathered in kind of ancestral way of either you're a marxist or you know you're a complete in like neoconservative or what but What is the consequence of that when it comes to some of the issues in front?
I mean, you mentioned abortion, but there are so many other issues.
Foreign policy is the best one that I could think of.
Another one would be economics, which is like you're either pro-tax cuts or you're anti-rich.
Now, how do what is the consequence of us not being able to have mature conversations about these things when it comes to real life implications and the implications it has for the conservative movement?
Steve Days.
The point of the SIOP is precisely to forbid what you just called for, a serious conversation.
So the point of overnight, suddenly everybody's got hashtags, stay home, save lives, save lives, and why do you hate your grandma?
The point of that is to create peer pressure.
One of the things I've learned as I've gotten older is we never leave high school as a species, Charlie.
I mean, it's like the, it's like the pinnacle, particularly in Western, uh, in Western, uh, in Western, uh, that's true.
That's exactly 100%.
Essentially, it's not any more than you can learn.
Let me go in.
I totally agree.
I've said for a long time, you can learn more about the US Congress by watching Mean Girls than any other anthropological experiment.
Mean Girls will explain so much of US Congress more so than West Wing.
Please keep going.
Steve Days 100%.
And in fact, what's happened now in the social media era is, you know, we've gone from the free thinkers were the ones that were always asking questions, even if we didn't like some of the questions they were asking, to now what is freedom is compliance, right?
The New York Times went from having 30 years of instant suspicion to big pharma to now they will literally just rip and read Pfizer press releases and put them on the front page as news unskeptically without asking a single question.
All right.
And so, and this is enforced just like in high school, the lunchroom often or the hallway often before class often enforced the social strata, the social system there and the click-ish system.
This is now enforced via social media, right?
And you don't want to be seen as not one of the compliant ones.
And this is why you see the same people over the last few years, the same people posted their pronouns, the same people posted their Ukraine flags, the same people posted their VAX cards, the same people.
posted their avatars of themselves in a mask.
This is over and over again to reinforce, just like we're in high school, I'm one of the cool kids.
I get to sit at the cool kid table.
I'm one of the popular kids.
I know what's popular.
I know what's cool right now.
Or in an adult, you know, parlance, I'm compliant with the spirit of the age.
And what's going to be extremely difficult for us is to learn how to break through that because that forced compliance via the tool of social media is more rigid than it ever was before.
We're talking to each other at our fence lines less than ever before.
We're hiding behind avatars and anonymity on social media more than ever before.
We're enforcing these things on one another more than ever before.
And so it's really incumbent for guys with significant platforms like me and especially you to equip and encourage our audiences to ask the kinds of critical questions that breaks through a lot of that mental concrete.
Do you think, and I know you spoke to Brett Buchanan yesterday, do you think that there is some concern about losing some of the gains that the president has made?
Something I'm very focused on with younger voters if we do not see increased accountability and prosecutions.
And let's just kind of put that and tie that into the PRISM argument, the false choice.
Brett was one of the president's top pollsters.
He's been with him for all of his, all three of his presidential campaigns.
And he's over at Signal, which is one of the top proprietary polling firms in the country.
And one of the things that he said to me yesterday when I spoke to him, Charlie, is he is concerned with the gains we've made with young voters, that a lot of them were not made.
We were strong with young voters in the 80s before you were born and I can barely remember, but it's been a minute in the 21st century since we were as strong with young voters as we are right now.
And that strength now comes from their skepticism of these post-World War II institutions, how they've been captured, corrupted, weaponized against them.
And they see Trump as a symbol to confront and expose and hold accountable these institutions.
And so it's not a danger of losing all these young men to the Democrats all of a sudden in their messaging., it's losing them to despair.
It's it's them thinking, well, then you know what, my vote doesn't count.
There's no point to participating in the process, and I'm just going to drop out all together.
And as you know, it's not getting any easier with single women right now over the abortion issue.
So we need to hold on to these young men, and they need to see these bad actors like Adam Schiff and others, they need to see them held accountable.
So I agree.
I don't think that they're going to become card carrying members of the Democratic Party.
They could become disengaged.
Yeah.
And that is key.
And I think prosecutions matters, please.
Because it holds it demonstrates someone's going to pay for the system that they are inheriting.
I mean, I look at my own son.
He just graduated.
He's 18.
All right, grew up in a Christian home, solid Christian kid comes to me the other day as he's thinking as he's getting ready to move out on his own and he's just angry and he's like, Dad, I'm gonna have to make 30 grand a year right out of high school to afford an apartment in Des Moines, Iowa that's not a slum.
He's like, how do people do this in Chicago, New York, Houston, Philadelphia, LA?
I'm like, son, they don't.
And hence all the despair in your generation right now.
And so it's it's all encompassing the same worldview that broke us economically, that broke the border is the same worldview that has broken the trust that and has broken a lot of our laws at the exact same time.
And I think the young people desire to see accountability.
They want to see that mom and dad really met all the stuff they preached them at the dinner table all these years.
And now when it's their turn, they're going to actually hold people accountable.
I think it's a credibility issue more than anything else.
I totally agree.
I want, Steve, I want to dive more into this.
You accurately and perfectly are assessing what I'm also seeing.
And again, I'm 31.
So I'm right in the middle.
I'm right at the edge of millennial and Gen Z. I talk to Gen Z all the time.
And there is a yearning.
for a reordering of the American economy.
I was just on CNBC this morning.
Look, we know what the Maggioni Mom Dani program is, right?
We don't need, by the way, we don't need to put words in their mouth.
They want to have government-run grocery stores., confiscation of assets, tax the rich.
But I do think that foreign policy was kind of the first fault line where we're kind of figuring this out.
And I think we will.
The second is what do we believe economically?
And look, I'm a free market guy.
I've read all the literature of Von Mises, Rothbart, Friedman, all of it.
But just saying, hey, markets and markets only in a time when we kind of have corporate welfare and a corporate oligarchy, that dog doesn't hunt and you're going to get Maggioni.
And then you're going to get Mom Dani and you're going to get something super dark.
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Why don't you talk about economics and then also address the Israel issue because both of which actually are components of how we reach the next generation and things they're talking about.
Steve Days.
100%.
Number one, I think we have to abandon our presuppositions of the last generation.
And I think we have to look at both economics and foreign policy non-dogmatically and accept the idea and the truth that institutionally the entire West is broken down.
And remember this, Charlie, I think this is very important for your audience to remember.
The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.
And deploy that principle here.
All right.
We want a foreign policy that doesn't affirm our dogma, but actually affirms American greatness and sovereignty.
Okay?
And if your dogma gets in the way with that, get a new dogma.
Similarly, we need an economics that actually serves the people.
The people are not widgets and units to serve an economic theory.
All right?
We have to put people first here in the presuppositions that we are making.
You know, Jesus died for people, did not die for a systematic theology.
I'm a big systematic theology guy, but there's nothing more important to Jesus than people.
As far as we know, we're the only beings in the entire universe made in his likeness.
And I agree.
All right.
So the needs of people outweigh an ideological or dogmatic affirmation.
Now, in another era where the social compact of America was still intact and our institutions were not captured and weaponized against us, we might have a different viewpoint and say to people, hey, this is a good system.
It's a good culture.
You're the one that needs to conform to it.
You're outside the mainstream here.
But we're not in that era right now.
All right.
And so we're trying to determine what the mainstream is.
And again, I think this is where it comes down to asking questions.
When I first started in local radio, the biggest trouble I ever.
got into is Microsoft wanted to come into our state and get billions of dollars in corporate grift from the government.
And I said, you know what?
If we're going to do that, then I'm going to actually be in favor of project labor agreements for the unions.
Because if we're just going to let Bill Gates come in here and pillage and plunder the taxpayer, then we ought to be actually paying real sustainable wages to the little guy out there doing the work of paving the roads when it's 97 degrees in Iowa in July and August, rather than telling him, hey, we're going to let you actually get outbid by an illegal alien.
And man, the corporate donor class to the GOP in my state when I was just a local host at the time, Charlie lost its cotton picking mines, lost its mines because I wanted to hold them to the same standard they wanted to hold the quote unquote thrifty working class.
And I think one of this as much as anything is why is the secret of Donald Trump's success.
The fact that he's actually not dogmatic about systems that no longer work and maybe haven't for longer than we wanted to admit and actually bending them to the will of what helps the most people instead of affirms of think tanks white paper has made him a great threat to a lot of the established order, but has made him loved, beloved by a lot of people left behind by that exact same order.
And when it comes to foreign policy, I understand why people look at things like dispensationalism and they grew up with their parents who knew more about how close the Jews were to re take back the Temple Mount than they knew what was going on at the school board and like what kind of theology is that?
And I understand the instinctive rebellion against this that somehow you're to put Israel ahead of your own country and I don't understand why that's the case.
And I I see gay pride parades in Israel and they're even more pro abortion than we are, so why in the world do I have to make them kind of the fulcrum or the plum line of my entire Christian experience or seeking of truth?
I get all those questions and I think we should ask them.
And I was one of the first national shows that put people on that didn't have pre-millennial dispensational eschatological views.
A lot of my audience never heard of postmillennialism or aut all millennialism frankly charlie until i put people on the air to tell them what it was so i'm fine having this debate but we also need to understand the historical framework we're dealing with here and that is islam and you do understand this and you do highlight this because this is important to understand islam has for 1200 years is there was islam and there was no nation on earth called israel There was no, there was no, we were aligned with Israel.
So we're, we're attracting all of this honey pot from the world of Islam.
If we decoupled from Israel, there was no nation on the earth for 1200 years while there was Islam.
Islam declared war against Christianity all 1200 of those years just the same.
You have to understand, Islam doesn't care what your particular eschatological view of this is particular Israeli government is or is not.
We're all just people of the book to them.
It doesn't matter if you're Jew and how often you've been to, you know, you've gone to synagogue or whether you actually even know any of the law or not.
Same thing with a Christian.
It doesn't matter if you think the church has replaced Israel or that Israel's more important in America.
Israel, Islam comes after is just the same.
I totally agree.
Everything when it comes to Israel must be viewed through the premise of radical Islamo fascism and Muhammadism.
We've been lending a lot of our platform towards this and we're getting a lot of death threats, a lot of targeting, a lot of the kind of Islamic peaceful and tolerant world that is singling us out.
And you and I had a great dinner about this.
But also, I want to just reiterate a point.
If you're a social media influencer out there and all you talk about all day is the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, and you are silent on Islam, then there's something deeply troubling about you.
If all you talk about is, well, APAC, and you're silent on CARE, the Council for American Islamic Relations, then you're missing the entire ball game here.
And I agree with you.
No subject should be untouchable.
By the way, We as Christians say, fine, poke holes in the Bible.
We'll defend it.
Nothing should ever be verboten, right?
However, if you're going to only do it towards one vector, one thing.
Meanwhile, the West is collapsing and London is disintegrating.
I was in London a couple months ago.
It's not the Jews who made London look like a foreign country, Steve Days.
Simple question.
Let's just assume that all of the alleged atrocities in Gaza by the Israelis is 100% metaphysical certitude.
None of it is Hamas side ops.
None of it is anti-Semitic in nature.
It's all real and it's all occurring.
If that is the case, to me, the strategy to pursue is to actually call on Hamas to release the 52 hostages they still hold, including the four dead remains of Americans they still have, by the way, just to say to them, hey, release the hostages.
That way you could expose Netanyahu and Likud and say, see, they want to continue escalating aggressions there.
The hostages, their main requirement has been met.
And yet they want to continue.
It would be easier to pressure Israel to get them to stop.
But you'll notice, Charlie, that many of the people that are complaining about atrocities are not calling on Hamas, including a lot of social media influencers are not calling on Hamas to release those 52 hostages, including the remains of four dead Americans they're still holding on to.
Why is that?
What's the benign, innocent explanation for that?
Because if you really want to flesh out a false objection, have Hamas release the hostages and then you can put all of the unilateral pressure on Likud and Bibi Netanyahu to stop.
But you'll notice they don't think that nuanced very often.
They don't think critically like that very often.
Why is that?
What's the benign innocent explanation for that?
Yeah, exactly.
So if you're upset about the starving of people in Gaza, which, by the way, no one wants to see anybody starving, which is, we've been through this UN, other, you know, Hamas stealing food, all that sort of stuff.
But you were quiet when the hostages were starving.
Maybe you don't care about starvation.
Maybe there's something else going on.
Hamas is the big, and you just have to repeat this and commit it to memory.
Hamas is the biggest evildoer here and always has been.
They started the war and they could surrender.
They want to drag all of Gaza into the abyss.
That is not an apology for every military maneuver or action the Israeli government has done.
But we as Westerners and most importantly as Christians must have a clear moral prism that we view all these things through.
We cannot allow a muddying or a murkying here.
that allows all of a sudden troubling and dark narratives to interject themselves into the Western narrative.
Steve Dase, please summarize all this.
And that's exactly why this takes us back to the top, Charlie.
This is why we have to learn to ask critical questions that reveals false objections.
Who is a dark force, as you just said it?
And then who's a contrarian that we might think that's a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?
But hey, in this era, I'm listening because we can't take anything for granted.
That's because we do need to have these conversations.
We do need to challenge our assumptions in this era, maybe more than any previous era of Americana ever.
But we cannot allow that to be also an environment that, as you put it, dark forces take advantage of it to ultimately have a sinister agenda and then divide us at the same time.
Steve Dase, thank you so much.
And again, you bet.
We must be honest actors and honest brokers.
But there's a lot of people that just want to talk about the Jews all day long.
And oddly, they never say anything about the rise of Muhammadism working with Marxism to suffocate our civilization.
Go to London.
Amen.
Pretty clear what made London a third world hellhole.
Steve Dace, thank you so much.
Thank you.
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Joining us now is William J. Kelly, editor-in-chief of the city news bureau.
And you can find William J. Kelly at reporterwilliamjkelly.com.
William, great to see you.
Thank you for taking the time.
So President Donald Trump is now hinting at taking over Chicago and using a federal takeover Chicago.
How is Brandon Johnson, the failed race Marxist?
of Chicago handling that threat.
Well, he's having a meltdown.
Yesterday I was at the city hall press conf reporter, essentially is what I am.
You know, where you are is who you are or something like that.
But at any rate, he's unhinged.
I asked him a couple of weeks ago about an illegal alien that apparently has been charged with concealing and bloodshed.
And Johnson, Mayor Johnson said that he was threatened by that question, that he was threatened, that he felt threatened.
by the question, this is the kind of leadership that we have in Chicago right now, Charlie.
So yesterday I tried to ask him about the, you know, President Trump's, I think, you know, honest assessment that we have an incompetent mayor in the city of Chicago.
I asked him about a team.
It was a thousand plus teenagers, Charlie.
violent teenagers in the mayor's neighborhood, okay, the neighborhood that he moved into from Elgin, okay?
But at any rate, so Mayor Johnson lives in a neighborhood in Chicago called Austin.
A thousand plus teenagers rampaged through the streets, but that's not it.
Apparently a woman was shot in the back multiple times, obviously sadly passed as a result.
And the Mayor Johnson has the audacity to say he's threatened by my questions.
I get every day, as I'm sure you do, Charlie, and I know you feel it too, because.
We love Chicago.
We're not Chicago bashers here.
We love Chicago.
I was born and raised on the south side of Chicago.
I love it with all my heart.
It breaks my heart, Charlie, as I know it breaks yours, which is why I always love talking to you.
That's right.
It breaks my heart.
The mayor of the city of Chicago is threatened by a reporter's questions when his own neighbors are being shot in the back multiple times and fatally.
That's where we're at.
And I just want to compliment you.
And by the way, the Chicago Bears may flee the city.
I think the Chicago Bears should flee the city and they should establish their new stadium in Arlington Heights at former Arlington racetrack.
It would make a lot of sense.
Get out of Chicago.
And by the way, that's that's the new model.
The new model you have Jerry Stadium in Dallas that really blazed the way.
You got SoFi Stadium.
The whole model is get out of the actual urban corridor and and establish your presence in the suburbs.
Just poor Arlington Heights kind of deal with all the riffraff that the Bears bring in.
San Francisco did the same thing.
By the way, they got rid of Candlestick Park and they built a Levi Stadium basically in San Jose.
Levi Stadium is basically in San Jose.
But William, I want to I want to just compliment you though.
In a city of 2.7 million people, you are a force multiplier.
You are able to get under the mayor's skin by asking very basic, very simple questions.
Now he'll say, oh, crimes are down and, you know, violence is down but hold on let's just take a step back let's first play cut 353 this is your question what do you say to your neighbors what do you say to those neighbors in austin who feel threatened by your policies thank you for staying awake during our presentation i know you have worked hard to get the necessary help that's needed really in whatever condition in which you are dealing
with I'm glad that you are getting some help.
Is that honestly your answer to your neighbors who have been, a neighbor of yours was shot in the back multiple times?
So we are addressing community safety.
That's my top priority and we will continue to do that.
And look, and I know you say it's a teenager takeover.
Look, William J. Kelly, you need to be a reporter.
It's we all know what it means by a teenage takeover.
Okay, let's just be honest.
It is the people that Brandon Johnson honestly, he should be a black role model for them.
And he should tell these black teenage young kids, knock it off, stop it.
Instead, he's playing into all of this.
And America is full of cities everybody knows are horrible.
And yet when you say it audibly, they call you a racist.
We have the same problem here in Washington, DC.
And if you really peel it back, and I want to play cut 354, your question, she did a great job.
Everything is racist all the time.
That's all they have.
The only play that they have is to call you a racist.
Oh, well, I know how to run Chicago better than you.
And, you know, you're not going to tell me what to do.
And this is the same play.
And it doesn't work anymore.
We have successfully broke that spell.
That fever has been broken.
Let's play cut 354, please.
What do you say to Donald Trump?
How did you feel when Donald Trump called you incompetent?
What did you feel as a healer?
Please address this.
Thanks.
Please answer that question.
If you would.
Okay, fine.
Since you are begging, the president has always been intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men and so of course he would speak in those um petite and pural terms uh because he's small i i mean william your comment on this let's just be donald trump has a lot of things he's certainly not intimidated by brandon johnson's ability to process information william j kelly we need
the we need the national guard you know i i love chicago i love cpd the chicago police department i don't really think it's i think it's actually wrong to put police officers in the middle of these uh of essentially mob violence.
They're law enforcement, okay?
They're there to take your police report, follow up, try to arrest a suspect.
I'm not there to deal with these kinds of mobs.
What really upset me about the video of the...
Okay.
As a child growing up on the South Side, it never would have crossed my mind to run up to a police officer and slap him in the face and then run away laughing okay never would have crossed my mind not once okay charlie so uh so here's the thing we need the national guard to walk down the middle of these streets patons in hand and uh and take uh and put these uh put these uh these mobs uh out of the public okay this is what we need we need donald trump to
do this i agree you know it's absurd for mayor johnson to be insulting donald trump we need the doj okay there are i've got plenty of uh plenty of information i could share with them uh about about gifts this gift closet that Mayor Johnson has at City Hall.
People are sending him gifts, Gucci bags, et cetera.
It really is something is about to blow in Chicago, Charlie.
I'm happy you're going to be here next week.
I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah, and I'm not yet describing where I'm going to go or what I'm going to do, but the Brewers do have a five-game series with the Brewers next week.
That's all I could say.
And I just, I grieve for this.
I could talk about Chicago all day long.
I love Chicago.
I love it what it once was.
It is the connective tissue of this great nation with the Midwestern work ethic., the best food in the country, dare I say, once great universities, incredible companies that fled, entrepreneurs, a grittiness, a hustle, a commitment, a phenomenal sports culture, really good suburbs.
The whole place has collapsed and I'm not okay with it.
And as long as I have a platform, I'm going to lend my voice to the despicable, depressing, and unnecessary collapse of Chicago.
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William J. Kelly's with us.
William, one of the more depressing but also I mean, it's promising, but also kind of nostalgic giving, nostalgia giving, is, you know, I live in Arizona and people come up to tell the time, Charlie, I'm from Downer's Grove, Charlie, I'm from Hinsdale, Charlie, I'm from Willmette, Charlie, I'm from Wheeling, Charlie, I'm from Buffalo Grove.
I laugh.
I left the suburbs of Chicago or I'm from the Gold Coast.
Charlie, I'm from the South Side and I moved to Phoenix.
Honestly, happy to have them in Arizona because we're going to turn Arizona, thanks to Andy Biggs becoming the next governor, we're going to turn Arizona into the Florida of the West.
But it is just so depressing how many amazing people have left the heartland and then gone to other states because of politics, simply because of the politics.
Let's go to cut.
Let's go to cut 323.
I believe that's 103.
321.
Let's go to this one.
This is U.S. Attorney Gene Piero talking about the youth play cut 321.
I see too much violent crime being committed by young punks who think that they can get together in gangs and crews and beat the hell out of you or anyone else.
They don't care where they are.
They can be in DuPont Circle, but they know that we can't touch them.
Why?
Because the laws are weak.
I can't touch you if you're 14, 15, 16, 17 years old and you have a gun.
I convict someone of shooting another person with an illegal gun on a public bus in the chest, intent to kill.
And you know what the judge gives him?
Probation.
Says you should go to college.
We need to go after the DC council and their absurd laws.
We need to get rid of this concept of, you know, no cash pail.
We need to recognize that the people who matter are the law abiding citizens.
And it starts today.
She needs more energy.
William J. Kelly, your reaction to both Piero and my lament that the best are leaving Chicago.
Well, the saddest, most disturbing thing about Piero's comment is who wants to send their kid to college with somebody who's out on parole for shooting somebody in the chest?
What?
But, you know, in Chicago, we're down police officers.
Nobody wants to be a police officer in Chicago.
Mayor Johnson and his family, his wife Stacy, have 150 sworn police officers on their security detail.
Mayor Richard J. Daly had two, and one of them was a driver, and one of them got his newspaper in the morning.
This was the security back in those days.
Okay.
This is what we need to return to, Charlie, if we're going to be able to keep uh you know any intelligent productive uh person in Chicago we need clean safe streets that's it that's all the mayor that's the mayor's job clean safe streets Charlie that that is exactly right so so final question William J. Kelly if President Trump moved in the National Guard or President Trump moved in federal forces how would that be met by the rank and
file in Chicago forget the mayoral ruling class The rank and file.
Okay.
I don't want to get anyone in trouble here.
They would love it.
There was an ICE raid in Chicago over the weekend.
They've caught someone, a horrible, despicable person.
And CPD, some police officers were there to observe, to observe.
And now Mayor Johnson is investigating them, investigating them, accusing them of somehow working with ICE.
Okay.
They were, I mean, they were there to observe.
That's what they said, right?
So, I mean, we need, we need, we absolutely do need Donald Trump.
trump to uh to bring uh bring troops to chicago we need uh we this is a military operation now.
This is not a law enforcement operation.
In fact, I think it was, I think it was borderline criminal for the former mayor Lightfoot.
I agree.
And look, we got to play to win.
This is the thing that if we're going to strike in a city, if we're going to bring in, if we're going to bring in this sort of infantry, then it can't just be for showmanship, can't be for pageantry.
DC is the test case.
Go.
If we can show a demonstrable decrease in crime because of what President Trump is authorizing, we then can scale that and put in other cities.
But honestly, it needs to be all beyond DC.
And we need to go all in and we don't need to look for new cities to add.
It needs to be sustained.
It needs to be measured because August is the month of killing.
That is one of the most murderous months notoriously across the country, especially in Washington, D.C. and tragically in Chicago as well.
William J. Kelly, thank you so much.
I share your lamentation about the demise and the downfall of the once great city of Chicago.
