You know him, you love him, and he doesn't hold back. Charlie sat down with Steve Bannon at the Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida a few weeks ago, before the Department of Justice moved to unseal grand jury testimony in the Jeffrey Epstein case. Steve cracks down on the Deep State, calls out the newfound division in the MAGA movement, and then takes audience questions. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Steve Bannon joins the show as we talk about the deep state, the administrative state, and Epstein as well.
Mind you, the DOJ has moved to unseal the Epstein documents, so that is just a little bit of an update, but I think you'll really enjoy this conversation.
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Bring in the legendary, I think he just arrived, Stephen K. Bannon.
Come on, Steve.
Thank you.
Steve, thanks for doing this, man.
It's my favorite part.
It's my favorite part of the turning point experience, except for our live broadcasts and the speech.
You know, I got to tell you, Steve, you've become this, it's like it's the exactly.
Outside of walking through the halls and using the rest of the world.
Oh, no, I love it.
Thank you.
Your folks always ask great questions.
No, but you become this essential link in the turning point ecosystem.
Bringing war room, bringing this populist nationalism.
So it's awesome, and thank you for that.
You've done such a great job with this.
I waver a little bit.
No, you don't waver.
You just need some mid-course guidance every now and then.
Charlie, what in the hell are we doing here?
Exactly.
No.
Steve sends me these texts, and they're the greatest.
And let's just say it has some little salty language in it.
A little heat on it.
Little heat.
A little heat.
Steve, so you sent a text to me recently.
You said you're pretty fired up, and you're actually pretty positive because this will determine whether or not we're a movement or not.
Yeah.
Can you elaborate on it?
I think it's an incredibly profound point.
Megan Kelly said it, and we played it in the cold open today.
I think she said it very powerfully.
By the way, last night, I think we'll go down in our movement's history.
It's one of the most important nights.
I mean, we started at War Room.
It was shot her around the world.
Every segment of War Room went viral with you, me, and Pasovic.
And then last night to have Laura Ingram, Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, others, and yourself shot herd around the world.
And of course, it was, it's incredible.
Megan said something very powerful.
She said, it's a time for choosing.
Going back to Reagan's famous 1964 speech in support.
Well, no, it was actually made for TV in support.
It was in the fall.
It was in October.
It was very late.
In October 1964 for Barry Goldwater.
He made this thing, a time for choosing, very, you know, it was very highly stylized, magnificent speech.
They already knew Goldwater was probably going to lose by a landslide, but they were making the case for a time for choosing about ourselves in relation to the communists, because that's what we're getting on Goldwater most about.
He was so hardcore about taking down communism.
That speech was in October of 1964.
Goldwater would go on to lose in the biggest landslide in history at that time.
25 years later, almost to the week, the Berlin Wall fell.
So it took them, they had to go through a lot.
Reagan lost a primary to Jerry Ford, came back, won, but taking down the evil empire, Tanaman Square happened in June of 1989, and the Berlin Wall fell in November of 1989.
We had the same time for choosing right here.
That's why Megan said it was very powerful.
We know as a movement we can win elections, right?
We've won three of them in a row.
16, 2020, it's going to come.
Look, it's going to come out when they do things.
There's people looking into it.
There's going to be people who are going to look into it.
I think the special prosecutor that's going to be announced is going to go back through the whole history.
I talked to the president about it.
He's still very focused.
Very focused on it.
You have to be.
They're going to start with Crossfire Hurricane, but they're going to go up to this.
We know we can win elections.
We know we can win national elections.
And in 24, we know we can win national elections.
The popular vote, we win it big.
But do we actually govern?
You have to ask yourself the question, do we actually govern?
Is there an apparatus that's bigger than this kind of democratic process that's laid on to a constitutional republic, right, of our founders and revolutionary generation set up?
Do we actually govern?
I would argue we don't, right?
Yet.
Well, this is the point.
I kind of call them the Tampa Resolves.
Remember, they had the resolves before in the run-up to the Declaration of Independence.
The first resolve is very simple.
We have to destroy the deep state for the American people to be free.
Right?
Full stop.
Number two, the second resolve, it's our responsibility.
The deep state does not have the consent of the government of the American people.
Therefore, it's the duty, responsibility, and sacred duty of the American people to destroy it.
Right?
Nobody else.
Only us.
And the third, and I think the most important for this moment, on this crusade, you're either with us or you're again us.
There's no neutrality.
If you're not with us, you are against us.
There's no neutrality.
It's not like the Revolutionary War where a third can kind of sit on the sidelines.
Everybody has to be committed to this.
If you're not committed to this, then you're an enemy.
You're an enemy because you're siding with the deep state.
Everything else, and let me be very specific.
Everything you fought for this week, we have an NDAA for a trillion-dollar defense budget being marked up by the Senate in secret.
Josh Hawley says the rest of the senators don't know what's going on.
They're taking secret votes.
We do know they leaked that they're having $500 million a year for the next three years in arms just given to Ukraine.
$1.5 billion in new armaments given to Ukraine for another big announcement of the Ukraine war.
We're inexorably getting drawn into a conflict in Ukraine, a shooting war in Ukraine.
We know that we still don't understand how we got into the shooting war in Iran.
We still don't know the intelligence about that.
They've talked last night about, I guess, a soft amnesty.
I guess Christy Noam will explain that.
Everything you fought for and everything that you thought you won, it gets twisted.
Well, how does that get twisted?
We know we have these radical Democrats, these basic neo-Confederates, and people aren't paying enough attention to it because the media is not because we're all over on these international conflicts.
In Los Angeles, in Chicago, in New York, right now, we don't have control of those cities.
They are basically being run by neo-Confederates that are sitting there saying, hey, we will protect illegal aliens.
And in fact, we will fire upon federal officers.
What happened in California the other day?
We'll fire upon federal officers to do that, to protect illegal aliens.
So the country is in turmoil, but it's a turmoil that I think is positive in the fact that the deep state and the radical kind of this combination, this red-green alliance between radical neo-Marxist ideology and this Islamic fascism, which you see is going to win the election in New York City.
It's going to win the election.
It's a heavy favorite.
I've argued for years.
I said this at the December 4 conference, if you don't like populist nationalism, Yeah, we'll work with you.
You're going to get another alternative, and that's Luigi Mangioni.
100%.
Or all these guys are right now is a nicer version of Luigi.
Because when they take power, in 10 years, they're going to have Madame guillotine sharpening it up.
They'll have shooting exercises.
Absolutely.
See their capital.
And we don't seek to do that on our side.
No, no, no.
We want to actually save capitalism from itself almost.
We actually would like to try capitalism, not crony capitalism.
We actually love markets and entrepreneurs and owning stuff.
They only love it.
Entrepreneur capitalism, not state capitalism.
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Because I mean, this is, I don't mean to interrupt you, Steve.
No, go ahead.
But this is your experience.
You've been on War Room before.
You got to grab the money.
If you want it, if your idea is good enough, grab the money.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, back it up, back it up.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's the Steve's threshold, right?
Hang on, hang on.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
So, and no, we don't have a Mike Lindell pillow break right in the middle, right?
Hold that thought, Charlie.
Let's go to Mike Lindell.
Yeah, yeah.
Sell me a set of sheets.
Yeah, exactly, in the back of a car, right?
Steve, but all this excites you.
This is now in existential terms.
Yes.
Because we're going to see if this movement's real or not.
We've won national elections, and now we have to do something harder.
We actually have to dig out the embedded deep state that's taken over institutions.
This thing about the Epstein.
Epstein, yes, all the information has to come out.
I think what you're going to find and be shocked about, it's not just individuals.
You're going to see institution, financial, industrial, corporate, intelligence, government apparatuses, institutions.
This is institutional rot.
It's just not individual, the perversions or the shortcomings of individuals.
You're going to see that it's actually institutions.
That's what we have to do.
This work is far harder than the previous work we've had to do, which is winning elections, which is you folks are doing the precinct strategy and people have been out there knocking our doors.
That's hard enough.
This is harder.
And say, well, what do we have to do?
We have to be relentless now in being all over our elected officials on the executive branch, the House.
We've got to get in there about cutting budgets.
You know, the Supreme Court's backed us up.
They said, hey, if you want to take down the administrative state, go for it.
You can start having mass layoffs.
We have to make sure, and to me, $1,300 at the State Department is maybe a good afternoon's work.
But we need the State Department to cut in half.
We need a CIA.
We need cleansing.
We need a purge.
Let's use that word to light them up back there in the middle.
But the Epstein thing is you think that is an entry point into something.
He's the key that picks the lock.
That's why it has to be included.
If they announce a special prosecutor for Crossfire Hurricane and everything that came forward, I think it will include the election of 2020.
I think it will include January 6th.
I think there will be other elements in there of what Brennan and these guys have done.
When we announce this special prosecutor to start to go through everything, the stolen election, because remember, they try to nullify the 16 elections.
That's number one.
They tried to stop the 16 election in the summer of 16 with crossfire hurricane.
Then they tried to nullify it by saying that was the Russia hoax.
So he's going to get prosecuted on that.
Let's go through all of that.
Then you've got the stolen 2020 election, right?
Let's go through all of that.
Then we have J6.
Let's go through all that.
You've got plenty.
this special prosecutor can have as big a staff as possible.
If this is true, if it's radical left, let's then show that and show how the left came up with these files and let's get it out there so people can judge it.
I agree completely.
Okay, this is my point about these resolves.
You're going to have to have our backs because, as you can tell, there's going to be a little headwind on this, right?
President Trump, when he's made his mind up, he's made his mind up, right?
My fear is that we're on a roll right now.
We're bringing in new people to this movement, you know, African-American men, Hispanics.
We got as hard a time as I have living with them, the boleguards, right?
Which is a whole new thing.
It's good.
If it brings you votes and it allows you to get to power, you got to manage it, like, you know, FDR managed his coalition.
However, if certain core structural items are not dealt with, and this is a structural item that's been around forever, people have worked hard, and these are our best people.
These are the ones that knock on doors.
These are the ones that are precinct committee men.
These are the ones that come to the turning point conferences twice a year.
These are our workers.
This is the best of the best.
This is the hardest.
These are people that I would tell the president in January and February and March of 2021, when Rupert Murdoch was sending memos out to his staff saying they're going to make you a non-person, these are the people that stood in the breach to make sure that you had an apparatus.
If you decided to run again, understanding everything they're going to do to you, you had that apparatus.
We kept it.
Fantastic.
You guys did a great job.
If we lose 2% or 3%, right, of our MAGA base, because these elections are so tight in the house.
Arizona, 10,000 votes, 20,000 votes.
By the way, as hard as you guys worked in Arizona, as hard as you worked in Pennsylvania, as hard as people worked in Michigan and in Wisconsin, these things are coming down to 10,000, 20,000 votes.
And principally, low-propensity, low-information voters.
And folks, you've got to understand this midterm, with Trump not on the ballot, you know, we had the situation in 2018, right?
Where President Trump, I thought, was kind of on a roll, and we lost, what, 40 seats?
So we can't lose any core element of our coalition.
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Who I don't want to lose, though, is the crypto bros that are 25 years old.
Low propensity, very cynical about government.
Transparency is their top issue.
We're at risk of losing.
And by losing, they're not going to become Dems.
They'll just disappear.
You brought up an incredibly important word, cynicism.
The one thing that the MAGA movement is not right now is cynical.
That can kill anybody.
No, but I'm saying if we don't pursue this to its logical conclusion and show everybody the information and show the interconnectivities, you know, Mike Benz, I think, is going to come out in the next couple of weeks with some amazing information.
If you don't show the interconnectivity, if you don't show who was financing Epstein, who he basically worked with.
Who do you think he worked with?
I think you're going to see a combination of financial institutions, intelligence agencies, both our intelligence agencies, other countries, other governments, corporations, not just individuals, lots of individuals, but I mean institutions.
And the institutions are where the power is.
And I think people are going to be shocked by it.
But you've got to go and take that to its logical conclusion.
Because if you don't, people are going to sit there.
Some of our movement's going to become cynical and go, just like the young people, are going to say, what is this all about?
I was promised this, I didn't get it.
This was central to my belief.
And maybe I'll hit them with a $10 bill.
And if necessary, I'll vote if it's important.
But I'm not going to ring doorbells.
I'm not going to walk precincts.
I'm not coming to a turning point.
I'm not going to be a force multiplier with the information.
If that happens, all of a sudden, the momentum we have stops.
And we have momentum right now.
I mean, you can see this in the conferences.
Every conference is bigger.
This is the first conference I've been to that there's kind of turmoil.
Everything else has been united, and we've been driving to, you know, we've been driving to something important.
Last December was the new administration has come and we had this amazing victory.
The one before is how do we have the victory?
Everything is to go to the next step, take the next step.
And we wouldn't have expected this.
This is kind of all thrust upon us this week at this point.
Well, it's all thrust upon us this week.
I mean, I think it's a fight we have to have about the deep state.
I think we've got to get on with it right now because you can change tax policy, you can do this, you can do that.
Still, if you still get continued to sucked into these wars, if you're still trying to be an empire spread all over the world, all over Hell's Half Acre, if you're still giving billions of dollars to Ukraine because the national debt doesn't mean anything, if you look at the entire resistance package we're trying to force through, that's up in a moment with the arms to Ukraine.
And there's talk that NATO's going to try to come up with a no-fly zone around Ukraine.
Enforced by us.
Well, enforced first by the European members of NATO.
But that'll quite quickly, it'll soon be us.
I'm sorry, the Dutch Air Force is not exactly legendary.
This is my point.
God bless them.
How did the no-fly zone work for us in Iraq?
How did that work out for us?
Yes, it ends up being us that has to enforce a no-fly zone.
We're inexorably, the biggest issue we should be debating here at this conference should not be Epstein.
It must be, but we should have been.
It's been thrown out of us.
It should have all been Ukraine.
We should have been how we're going to stop any more involvement in the Ukraine war, right?
Because Ukraine is also symbolic for stopping the deep state.
So, Steve.
By the way, President Trump just killed my speech.
I'll have to think of something.
I'll have to accommodate the truth social.
What are you going to say now?
You've got to.
What were you going to say?
I was going to talk about time for choosing the resolves.
I still am, but I'm going to interweave it with President Trump.
Obviously, we've had tremendous wins.
I mean, we've had more wins.
If you look at the first six months, if you started back in January, I think we've had more wins.
Now, obviously, there's some things that are surprising people, like this new out of nowhere, this kind of amnesty situation with the farm workers, right?
There's obviously this thing with Epstein.
There's other things, some of the big, beautiful bill.
You know, it's not a perfect world.
But I think right now, given the momentum we had and some of the big wins we had, understanding we're going to 26 and we've got to keep, because five seats, six seats, President Trump's going to be impeached.
And these guys are so vicious, people are not focused on the Democrats.
Hakeem Jeffrey is kind of considered irrelevant.
Zorhan in New York City, the Working Family Party and the DSA, which are very powerful on ground.
Source has given them $37 million, and they own the streets.
They own the amount of people that turn out, you know, turn out 10,000 people in Brooklyn to Canvas is a big deal.
They do it all the time.
So I think that we have to come out here with a rallying cry of action that we're going to take.
And I hope that we focus around we've got to take on the deep state and quite frankly, have to work with President Trump and the team and cash and these guys.
Because cash, remember the whole profile before, we were going to take on the deep state.
Now we're back to arresting bad guys.
Certainly we've got to arrest bad guys, although I would like to do that with an FBI that's half the size and a CIA that's half the size.
And I think if we don't get to those, that we failed in our mission.
If Dan leaves, does that I think it would send a signal to the bay.
I don't think that will be I mean, I think people love Dan, but if we can't get Dan to make it happen at the FBI, what does that mean?
Well, I don't think he'd be leaving.
Here's what's so bizarre about this.
I'm pretty sure Dan drafted that memo, right?
It seems like it's not written by a lawyer.
So I assume it's not cash.
It may be a cash in Dan.
I think in their own minds they felt by putting that out, it was going to put everything to bed.
It couldn't have been farther from the truth, right?
Because if you read the memo, it's...
The accelerant, exactly.
It was a little flame.
No one was talking about Epstein a week ago.
Yeah.
Look, he may not come back to work.
He may say, hey, I'm out and solve it that way.
You have to get a new deputy.
But it clearly is a speed bump for the Trump administration.
And I think it speaks to deeper issues that have to be addressed.
We just can't look these away.
Because, look, I'm a big believer in President Trump in 2028, but there's going to be some point in time you're not going to have President Trump, right?
So you're going to have to start to dig down on this apparatus because this apparatus has no interest in tossing the keys over to you.
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Let's do a couple questions really quick of people that have not yet asked questions.
If you have not asked a question, okay?
And then Steve, we got to get you on stage.
So I'm ready.
Do we have a mic runner?
If not, yeah.
Hello, Ms. This question is for Mr. Van and Mr. Kirk.
Yes.
I'm James.
I'm from the great state of Texas.
My question is, what advice do you have for a young conservative who wants to run for Congress in six to ten years?
I am currently 18.
I'm about to be 19 in two days.
And I am super excited to be an elected member of the movement pretty soon.
You want to run for Congress in six to eight years?
Yes, sir.
And how old are you?
18, about to be 19 in two days.
Are you still in high school?
No, in college.
In college?
At what year?
I'm about to be a junior.
At 18?
Yes, sir.
You accelerated through high school, correct?
I did college courses while in high school.
Perfect.
My strongest recommendation is to volunteer and join the military.
Pick your service, Marine Corps, Navy, Army.
Go if you want to.
If EPAC Seth's doing great.
If you want to, that's one of the things I'm proud of most.
She went in.
She volunteered when Obama was president.
Think about that, sending your daughter over to Iraq with Obama as commander-in-chief and Biden cutting the deal.
No, my strongest recommendation is join the military.
Military, at your age, is about formation.
The military will send you places.
First of all, it'll test you in ways you never thought you could be tested, not just physically, but mentally, morally.
You'll find out how courageous you are, how you handle fear, how you handle uncertainty.
First of all, it'll send you so far away from home, you'll sit there and go, why in the hell did I sign up for this, right?
I'm so far away from home.
But like the T.S. Eliot poem says, you'll learn so much about yourself when you return home, you'll understand it for the first time, yourself in your home.
So there's nothing better.
I can tell you to go join campaigns in the US, but you can do all that later.
There's a block of time.
When you're a piece of advice.
It's a block of time when you're young that in that decade of your 20s to actually get as many experiences throughout the world to test yourself as you're never going to be tested.
That formation, coupled with what your parents did, will last you for the rest of your life.
It will be the foundation.
Steve, can you just talk me, you were on the ship in the Persian?
Persian, yeah, North Arabian Sea.
That was the best part of your life, right?
Yeah, the eight years I spent, well, the four years at sea was the best.
It was the best thing I ever had.
A veteran, thank you for your service.
Yeah, yeah.
By the way, anytime you thank a veteran of service, remember, just serving our country was thanks enough.
It's the best thing you'll look for.
So if you want to be in Congress, plus you'll have a perspective of what's going on.
So that's my strongest recommendation.
And I don't have a second recommendation.
It's a great piece of advice.
No, it is.
Especially with this new military.
You could travel the world, learn about yourself.
It would be phenomenal.
Thank you, men.
Really appreciate it.
Mr. Kirk, you have anything else?
I like Steve's advice a lot.
Join the military.
Well, thank you.
If you're all the veterans, thank you very much.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you, thank you.
Hi, I'm Will.
I'm 13, and I'm from the okay state of Wisconsin.
Were you the one at our show the other day that gave that great answer?
I was.
Okay.
The one without parental supervision.
So my question is.
Will, you know, I don't work with dogs and kids for a reason.
But continue on.
You were great as continue on, young man.
So, Charlie, I'd like to thank you for my reading list.
I'm reading Victor Frankl's Man's Search for.
That book will change your life, right?
It's a big one.
Wow.
I read it over the plane ride.
It was very good.
And I was So I do like debating people.
And so one of the best debate tactics is, I guess, learning about the other side.
Do you have any recommendations how I should learn about that and then apply that to the next one?
That's a good question.
That's a good question.
I'd say once you graduate, first of all, a really good way to learn about the other side and where it's heading, there is no better book fictionally to read than 1984.
It captures technological totalitarianism in a very entertaining way.
I think 84 is phenomenal.
Orwell was on to the death of truth, power dynamics, technological tyranny.
Brave New World is also awesome.
Perfect.
Right.
So instead of, I could recommend a bunch of their literature like the Communist Manifesto.
No, no.
Instead, I would recommend to you read the author.
There are five authors that wrote simultaneously, and they all knew each other.
And they all wrote about other topics, but they all wrote about post-World War II totalitarianism.
It was Churchill, Huxley, Kessler, Orwell, and Lewis, C.S. Lewis.
Darkness at Noon.
Yeah, Darkness at Noon is amazing.
So I'll send you the list.
Don't worry.
It's at CharlieKirk.com.
But I encourage you to read the fictional elements of these guys because, look, Orwell, he could have written an essay about totalitarianism, and no one would really remember it.
But 84, everyone knows.
And Brave New World, you agree?
Perfect.
Yeah, Huxley's amazing.
I actually like Brave New World actually even better than 1984.
I love 1984.
Plus Animal Farm.
What town are you from?
Where do you live?
I'm from Pewaukee.
From where?
Pewaukee.
It's pretty red.
And where is that?
It's SmackDown, Wisconsin.
It's Wincosta?
Okay.
Do you have a hometown newspaper?
That's such a good edition.
That's not a trick question.
No, that's a reason that you should.
No, that's a great question.
You should get your parents, or you should take part of your allowance, or if you're grass-cutting, subscribe to your local paper.
You should read your local paper, the print edition.
That's great advice.
The print edition.
Not the online.
Read the print edition every day.
You carry that around all the time, Steve.
All the time, why?
Because the only other person I know that reads more print newspapers than Stephen K. Bennett is Donald Trump.
I read them every day, too.
Donald Trump reads the New York Times, the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Financial Times, and the Washington Post cover to cover, every day, including the editorials, which were very few people.
And he marks them up for you and sends them to you.
A print newspaper is still the best way to get information.
If you want to learn how to debate, you've got to know the world.
The best way to know the world is to read your local paper.
And I'm going to give you another hint, being a paper boy.
When you get your local paper, like my mom used to do, put the front section away and go to the metro section.
That's where all the great dirt is.
So you read the metro section, read the metro section, and you will start to become so much smarter than the kids that are just academically debating.
It'll be common sense and street smart.
Really quick, last question.
We got to welcome Secretary Num.
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Last question, ma'am, then we have Christy Num.
Hi, thank you.
I'm a precinct strategy person.
I'm a precinct committee woman in Naples, Florida.
What I've learned, not just through that, but through other ways, is that getting a good candidate to run for an office and getting them backing before even the primary takes part takes place is impossible.
Like, how are we going to get good candidates to run for even the basic local races to then move up if everything seems to be rigged at every level?
That's what's the time to choose.
It's a gut check.
Remember, if we don't do it now, and that's why it's so important the young people are here, if we don't do it now against what you're saying, it's so overwhelming.
The concentration of power in these industries is so much worse than even in 2017.
It looks like the odds are stacked against us.
However, because your precinct strategy worked, we won in 2024.
Remember, on the morning of the election, MSNBC and all these guys in 2024, they're all laughing.
They think that Kamala Harris is going to win.
Up until about seven or eight o'clock at night, when the exit polls started to confirm what was happening, that they really was going to lose.
That's because of you.
And no odds could seem longer than Donald Trump when Donald Trump left and went to Mar-a-Lago after the election was stolen and came back.
That's the longest odds in American history.
You accomplished that.
You've already had great victories, right?
Of course, and precinct strategy, I'll bet you 50% of the people that started out have left.
You know why?
Because the rhinos have sat there and made their lives miserable.
So we understand it's tough.
New people come on, but that's why you and people like you have got to continue to drive forward.
And yes, it's hard, and it looks thankless.
I know my sister says the worst thing I ever did is to entice her to go be a precinct committeeman, right?
So, but you're going to have to do it.
That's how we're going to want, if you, and you're emblematic of virtually everybody I talk to, if you sit there and go, it's too rigged, it's too hard, I can't do it, I've got to go do something else, I guarantee you this is going to be a totalitarian dictatorship in a very short period of time.
There's no greater gift you can give your children, your grandchildren, anything than the fight we have today.
That's why it's a time for choosing.
You could choose as a free man and woman, I can't do this anymore.
And if we do that, and that is a possibility that people are going to do, particularly with the information, with more true socials like that, maybe that's what happens.
