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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.
We're doing things a little bit different this week.
Of course, today is Thought Crime Thursday came early because we're all committing thought crimes, apparently all the time.
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So unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, depending on your outlook, you are here.
You have to deal with the rest of the thought crime crew.
So we've got all the rest of the four of us here.
We've got myself, Jack Sobic, we've got producer Andrew, and we've got Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer.
What's up, guys?
Woo-woo.
Jack.
So we're doing things a little bit early this week.
And the reason that we are doing this early this week is because of, of course, all the news about Epstein.
Yes, the curious case of Jeffrey Epstein.
This case where, you know, we think it's done.
We think it's more's coming out.
We think that it's been settled.
Oh, wait, it's not settled.
And then, you know, one day a bunch of us get invited to the White House and we get told that there's going to be a phased release.
And then we get told there is no release, et cetera, et cetera.
That's kind of where things are at, though.
Interestingly enough, and so as we are live right now, and there is an interview that was pre-recorded between President Trump and John Solomon that's going to come out later, I think in about two hours time for where we are right now.
And in that, President Trump, and I've spoken to John Solomon about this, that President Trump is going to come out and embrace a special prosecutor, not just for sort of the Russiagate stuff and the various hoaxes related to that, but also one that he wants to have on Epstein.
And this is something that is going to come out in just a few hours.
So one special prosecutor for really looking into all of this stuff that goes back, you know, even probably before 2016.
But that's where we're at.
President Trump had a truth up earlier today.
And well, everything has broken loose.
Blake, maybe you want to bring us all up to speed on that.
All right.
I mean, a lot of stuff has happened over the last few days.
It's been escalating.
And kind of what's, you know, you can see below the subhead, the Epstein hoax.
And that is the label that has currently been given to the entire story by the President of the United States himself.
He said on Truth Social this morning, he says it is the Epstein hoax.
And he says it's in a lineage with the Russia hoax, the Hunter Biden hoax, or really the Hunter Biden narrative that it was a hoax or double hoaxes within hoaxes here.
But he basically says it's into this whole stream, you know, Jack Smith stuff.
All of these come together and that the Epstein case is one of these things.
And he actually says, if you are a supporter of mine, you will reject all of this and stop talking about it and have it all go away.
I think we can all say, having talked to various members of the base, there are certainly a lot of people who are not going to let this go away.
I do think that it is probably an issue that resonates the most with highly online, highly engaged, like people who are really wrapped up in the media narrative of things.
I don't think it matters as much to probably, like, I don't imagine my parents are closely following this, for example, and they're big Trump supporters, of course.
But I do think more people care about it than the president said in his truth post.
Hey, Blake, do you think, do you think, actually, let me throw that out?
Is this one of those issues as well where it's sort of, there's a split?
And I'll open this up for everyone, where there's sort of a split based on where you get your news from, where your primary source of news is.
Whereas, so for people who are on social media, people who are tracking that, you know, this is a huge issue.
This has obviously been dominating, what, like almost the, has it been two weeks?
I think it's almost been two weeks since the, uh, that memo came out on the 4th of July weekend, or I guess a week and a half at this point.
And in a way that it's just not really penetrated until just now cable news.
Well, I have a feeling on that.
So, I mean, as somebody who interacts with the media as part of my day job, they basically told me that there was no there there.
And so they're not going to ask a question about something that they consider to be a conspiracy theory.
But they quickly betrayed the pat answer that I was receiving when they saw that MAGA and the base was upset about this issue and they wanted more transparency and answers.
So they are giddily covering the fact that there is discontent in the MAGA base and that Trump is at odds with his base or whatever.
So while they won't cover the actual substance of the story to any degree, they will cover that there is a split between the base and the president, seemingly tonally at the top.
Yeah, it seems like that's the story that's built on the story.
So it's now it's more of a story talking about the infighting than it is about actually the substance like Andrew's alluding to with Epstein.
But I thought it was really interesting.
I think CNN came out with a poll that said like 97% of Americans care about Epstein.
So if they say that, I think I'm going to, so this is going to be the hour where I just make all the people watching really angry because, you know, I'm going to be what?
Blue pill Blake?
Is that what I'm going to be this time?
Blake the Contrarian.
Like if you were an ancient king, you would have been Blake the Contrarian.
Something like that.
Well, I do have an ancient king, yeah, maybe.
Blake, before we dig into that, you know, let's, let's, so this, this Quinnipiac poll just dropped, and I think we're all looking at it right now.
It says 63% of voters disapprove of the Trump administration's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
Quinnipec University national poll finds nearly half of voters would consider joining a third party, not just one created by Musk.
Okay, that's a separate question.
And it said only 17% of voters say that they approve of the way Trump is handling his the Epstein files.
And there's just a comment from the analyst, and he says, Epstein has been dead and gone for years, but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him.
It also gets into Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, and Cash Patel.
So I want to go to Blake here.
Blake, when you look at stuff like this, let's talk about not just the case itself, because I feel like the story has become even bigger than that.
It's the handling of all of this.
And, you know, I'm a little biased.
Obviously, I disapprove of the handling of it, but because in the way that I've been wrapped up in all of this and the way that the focus has become on binders and influencers and meetings and all this nonsense rather than actually getting to the facts.
But Blake, what is your sense of all this?
And has the handling of this been what's riled this up?
Yeah, so let's go back to what the original assertion is in the leaked memo and in subsequent statements.
The statement is basically, Epstein did kill himself.
He wasn't murdered.
Epstein didn't have a blackmail list.
There's no file of like who he was blackmailing.
And basically, we don't have additional crimes we can prosecute.
All we have is the stuff that was committed by Epstein and by Maxwell, which like they had, they had illegal, you know, child videos, but it was just normal.
It was like normal abuse.
I don't want to say normal, but it was just like stuff they could have downloaded off the internet.
It was not like made by themselves is what they say.
And so there's basically no one to prosecute.
There's no deeper hidden thing here.
This is a pervert who died and he is still dead.
He can't be punished anymore.
And that's all there is to it.
And I think where they erred is that they didn't appreciate that this was going to, for lack of a better term, like it's going to disappoint people.
There's a good portion of people out there, especially the ones who follow it most avidly, who they really believe that there is something to the Epstein story that could be exposed, that there are important individuals, whether in intelligence or in finance or in politics,
Hollywood, who were involved in this sort of like sordid elite sex ring, and they were either just enthusiastic participants or they were kind of entrapped and then blackmailed by Epstein.
And there's something that could be revealed here and that it's not being revealed as sort of emblematic of like how powerful people can be protected in America.
So I'll just go with, let's assume that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi and the president, of course, are all correct in telling the truth.
And I think we generally do trust these people, that there actually isn't anything to this.
They had to appreciate this was going to disappoint people and sort of let them down easily.
And the way you do that is you have to kind of come in and say, all right, guys, we're going to lay it all out for you here.
I would have gotten Dan Bongino.
I would have had him really study everything we had for, you know, dedicate a good few days, maybe a few weeks to getting ready for this.
Then you come out in the press conference and you're like, all right, everyone, you've got me for five hours if you need me.
And here is what we looked for.
Here's what people have said would exist.
And we looked for this.
And actually, that doesn't exist.
All we found was this.
We want to dispel some myths.
Hit me with all the questions.
And you do your best to come out with maximal transparency.
Where the misfire happened on this was dump it on Sunday night saying, this is nothing.
Don't ask us about it.
And getting angry when people ask about it.
That is, to the people who care about this, that is the polar opposite of what you want to do.
That is essentially aggressively shouting like you have something to hide, even if you don't.
It's just, it's a pure strategy thing here.
You should have handled this in terms of communication strategy differently if you wanted to make sure people wouldn't get upset about it.
Yeah, I think the problem that most people I'm seeing have with everything is, again, this is similar to the way that the media is handling it, is the way that the administration is handling it and then the rings that are around the administration.
So right now you kind of have laid out the situation where it's, you know, there's clearly something there that the general public doesn't know about.
So like, let's start from the baseline position.
And I don't know where Jack wants to jump in on this, but there's a, there is a nucleus of information that exists with Epstein that people don't know about.
And the fact that everybody doesn't know about it and the jump to conclusions is like, well, there's a bunch of fake stuff and there's a bunch of things that are hoaxes and there's a bunch of there's hoaxes on hoaxes, right?
I think that's what's bothering people so much.
It's like, well, okay, well, explain what, what the heck is going on then if there are problems that exist, right?
Because that's not the way that it's been framed this entire time.
And everyone from the president to people within the administration to the rings again around the president, because there's layers to the president.
There are organizations, there are, you know, people who have supported the president.
There are people who work in the administration, people outside the administration who have all said the same things for many years now.
And there just needs to be a really strongly curated PR Layout of absolutely everything.
What is accessible?
What's not accessible?
Why, what did happen, what didn't happen, why they think it is, right?
And the president's team could do that, right?
They could come out and say, here are all the things that we thought were true that we don't know or are not, because this is what we have access to now.
I think that's probably what's driving most of the issue.
And now the fight that is occurring are people that are kind of in those layers having to say, well, I'm defending what I don't know or I'm arguing against what I don't know.
And the problem is right now is that it's like everybody's fighting each other.
It's like they're going to battle without really knowing what jersey they're wearing when they show up.
And then they don't even know what weapons the other guys are going to bring.
And so they're fighting battles with, you know, bringing knives to gunfights and guns to knife fights and bazookas to knife fights, right?
So like that's kind of what Twitter is in general.
That's what X is.
And that's kind of where we are in real life now.
And the problem is, is like someone's got to clean all that up.
So like, again, when you have the, you know, when you have BLM burn down Minneapolis, like someone still has to go clean up Minneapolis and rebuild it.
Like that's kind of where we're at right now is where we have like some bazookas and knife fights type situation.
There's just a crater there.
Now someone's got to clean that up at some point.
And most of the people who are doing the work and like trying to win the election next year are going to have to do that.
I think it's incumbent upon many of us to realize like, hey, we do deserve answers.
We need the answers the right way.
We need some really thoughtful leaders.
I think Charlie's trying to be one of those people that's in the room that's like, hey, we need some answers.
But, you know, whatever the answer is, we need to be prepared that it's not going to be maybe the answer that we were hoping for or that we may not have all the information that's laid out in front of us.
Anyways, Jack, I don't know if you, what your thoughts are with that.
Yeah, no, I mean, I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here, too, because let's keep in mind that, you know, this was a situation where Trump's Department of Justice, so the DOJ came out and said that there would be a phased release of Epstein files starting with phase one back in February, and that there would be others that followed.
So there's two things here, I think, going on.
Number one is this, you know, people saying, hey, we want prosecutions.
We want this going on.
We want to see who else was involved.
Okay, that's number one.
Number two is the statement that there is nothing else to be released, especially at a time when JFK files, they released them all, threw them up.
Anyone can go look at them.
Tulsi Gabbard came out and said, hey, we're scanning these things.
Some of these files, because they're so old, they've never even been scanned before.
They spent a lot of time doing that.
She was completely open about it.
And they put them right up.
And then anyone can go and look at the PDFs.
And I believe they're searchable in one way, shape, or form.
RFK as well, RFK Sr., I mean, his assassination.
They've talked about doing other stuff with files.
So those are examples of the way to do accountability right.
But when it comes to this, rather than saying, okay, here's the link, everyone can go and look at the Epstein files, which really would have diluted, I think, all of this anger.
Instead, it's there are no Epstein files.
And that was the initial response, which I think has kind of been, it has kind of been driven over in the past nine, 10 days or so, because obviously if they're talking about who's in the Epstein files, then that means there are files.
And so there was this strange unsigned memo that came out on a Sunday night saying there are no Epstein files.
And that's just to everyone's, you know, to everyone's response is just ridiculous because people are sitting there going, well, wait a minute.
If you're conducting an investigation, obviously there are going to be files.
There are going to be memos.
They're going to be FBI 302 forms, et cetera, et cetera.
And then trying to hide behind this idea of, oh, well, there's child sexual abuse.
Nobody wants the child sexual abuse material to come out, obviously.
They want the children, if at all possible, as much as possible, to be protected and if at all possible, to get the justice that they really were deprived of when this guy, when he died in that cell.
And so when people are really looking at all this, they're saying, why isn't there any information that you can just put up?
Where are the emails from the investigation?
Where are the memos?
Where are the documents?
Where are any of these things that anyone could release?
Go back to like Julian Assange, when those tranches of emails came out, people could go and search them.
You can still go to WikiLeaks and search them right now.
And I think that is the second bucket of things that people are looking for.
So the first one, yes, prosecutions, absolutely, if possible, we know that this interview is supposedly coming out in about 90 minutes or so with President Trump and John Solomon.
But then also troves of documents for people to be able to look through and people be able to research on their own to find out what's actually in there.
I think the statement that there's no files at all is really what was driving a lot of this.
And Jack, the way that it was released is problematic as well.
It was a Sunday night on a holiday weekend.
It was this memo leaked to Axios.
And by the way, when this is a base issue and you're going to send it to Axios, what exactly do you think the base is going to respond to at that point?
But ultimately, I mean, I think that the comm strategy, you're 100% right.
It should have been very, very straightforward.
Here's our WikiLeaks style document, everything we have.
Here's what we don't have.
We are working to find that.
And as soon as we find that, we will let you know and we will subsequently release it just like we've released this.
We have only redacted anything that's related to victims, any names, sources, methods, all that stuff has been released.
And I understand that there is potentially, this is one of the excuses I've heard, there's potentially collateral damage in that release.
Like, Blake's made the point a lot, at least in our chats, this guy was a socialite.
He was out and about.
He was, they describe him as having a motor of a curious brain, like he, and He would fly just to go have dinner with professors and scientists and Nobel laureates and all of these things, right?
So there's going to be a lot of people that he was interacting with that probably had nothing to do with any of the seedier parts of his activities.
And that could potentially sort of ruin their lives, right?
At least for a time being.
And so that's one of the things that they have been working against and kind of trying to deal with.
I don't think that they should give too much credence to that.
That shouldn't be the top priority list because it's been so butchered now, Jack, that we're starting to see this reflected in the polling, right?
We're seeing it reflected in the polling when it comes to 18 to 29-year-olds.
We're seeing, and by the way, that slide with 18 to 29-year-olds has been happening since the Iran situation, which I would have expected had things gone normally to go back up.
But I think when you tack on Iran onto the Epstein thing, which again is very online, which 18 to 29-year-olds are very online, this is becoming a compounding effect.
So this is the red and Ukraine.
This is the fire alarm for the base.
I actually have something of an in-between view of Epstein.
I don't think that we're going to, I don't think of him as the skeleton key that's going to unlock all the mysteries of the previous decades and the intel corruption.
It might have some answers.
I don't think it's going to unravel all of them.
I don't give Epstein that much credit.
But the fire alarm here is that when you handle this thing in such a way where people are so pissed about it, that you're going to have a compounding effect that shows up in the polling, which then means it's going to have an impact in the midterms.
So if you want to get impeached again, this is the way you do it, is you just keep ignoring it.
So we have to address it and you have to just sort of say, hey, listen, you guys are going to be disappointed.
I'll give you everything we got.
Let's go.
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Well, Blake's position is that nothing happened and that everything, we should just ignore everything that happened at that little hour.
Well, so I would say, I think there's like almost there's this information.
He actually said that.
He actually said that both he and Michael Jackson are in the same camp, that there was nothing bad that ever went down.
This is all.
I'm thinking Michael Jackson was probably just totally innocent.
No, Epstein, it seems pretty clear.
Epstein actually had like crimes with underage girls.
I don't know the full extent of them, but here's the deal, though, Blake.
I have people who are down at the U.S. Virgin Islands and the follow-up to that, I mean, they've gone in and out of that place.
Tyler, walk through this for people because I've been meaning to sort of ask you offline about this, but if you're bringing it up, bring it up because I know that you know more about the U.S. Virgin Islands connection.
Keep in mind, folks, this is where the Epstein island was, and people don't even remember that one of that that they remember the two cases, the Florida case against Epstein, and then also the New York case, but there was a third case in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
So just for everyone's understanding at home, there is some really sketchy stuff just in general that goes on down at the U.S. Virgin Islands.
And so the political parties that are established, which are American political parties, both Republican and Democrat, operate down there and operate as holding companies for so much political dollars.
I mean, this is a tiny place.
Isn't a lot of that just that the Virgin Islands are kind of a dump, though?
Like, his island is nice, but it's otherwise like, it's kind of a slum.
Yeah, so that's the question you should ask yourself is why does every major candidate that runs for office go down and do massive, huge fundraisers down in the Virgin Islands, like right in the shadows of Epstein Island?
So that's a question and that's legitimately a big question.
There's lots of shady stuff that goes through the U.S. Virgin Islands.
There are a lot of shady characters who show up that are super involved all of a sudden with the political parties down there, including the Republican Party, including the Democrat Party.
And the people that have been down there, that live down there, have witnessed, the citizens of the Virgin Islands that have been there for generations, that live there, have watched as the government has gone in numerous times, cleared out.
They will absolutely take out people that try to get anywhere near the island.
They have watched as items, documents, things have been carried out at later times, months after Epstein had died, had killed himself.
So you have, or allegedly killed himself, I should say.
These are all things that are part of the questions that should be answered that all revolve around Epstein, right?
So if there isn't an explanation, this is something that people should be looking at.
Well, then explain what has been going on there and why so many federal agents have gone in and out of that place.
in years and months.
That's part of it.
I actually think no explanation can ever suffice for a lot of what...
I totally agree.
That is the big problem that the administration is caught in is to the, if it is true that a ton of people care about this, because his claim is no one cares about it.
Well, CNN said 97% of us do.
Who knows?
We'll see how passionate people Care about that, but like the catch-22 they're caught in is there's like really any evidence they give, unless it is like, oh, here's the list, here's the 57 people that actually were like blackmailed by Epstein, and now they will all have to resign in disgrace and the system has come crashing down.
They'll say anything you release is just, it's actually perpetuating the cover-up.
Like ever, more and more people get in on the cover-up.
It's like, does anything they ever release about Kennedy kill the JFK conspiracies?
No.
Does anything they release about 9-11 kill 9-11 conspiracies?
No.
Same thing with this.
Like, if they were to release everyone, like, let's say it's grand jury testimony and it's all the guilt by association stuff.
Here's everyone who ever basically shook Jeffrey Epstein's hand over a 25-year period.
And then all these people are tarred by association because they met Epstein, went to some social event that he was at, knew him, exchanged emails with him.
No proof of any actual crimes that they were involved in.
And then people will just say, well, why aren't you releasing all the stuff that shows they're guilty of all those crimes too?
There will always be new things they will demand.
And I think it actually probably does behoove us to pause and like look at the evidence that we might be massively outrunning ourselves here.
Like let's take a core part of the Epstein Mythos.
A core part of the Epstein Mythos, like part of the proof that he is an intelligence asset, is that supposedly Alex Acosta, who was the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor involved in negotiating that plea deal he did in Florida back in the 2000s.
Supposedly 2008, I believe.
Supposedly he told the White House during the Trump years, because he was coming in to take Department of Secretary of Labor, right?
He was coming in to take a cabinet position.
And they were like, well, you were involved in this.
That's, of course, a controversial thing.
Why did you reach that plea deal?
Supposedly, he says I was told he was tied to intelligence, and so I had to go easy on him.
I always hear this cited as like a thing he said on the record.
It's not.
That was never stated on the record.
That is a secondhand assertion attributed to an anonymous former administration official in a Daily Beast article in 2019.
So anonymous secondhand source.
And also, since then, Acosta actually went, we have an on-the-record statement from Acosta in 2020, and he said he doesn't think that.
I think he said the answer is no, he doesn't think that he was an intelligence agent.
And Vicki Ward, the author of that 2019 Daily Beast article that had that citation, she says today she doesn't believe Epstein was a spy or working for any government.
In fact, I think we have a tape of her saying that recently.
Yeah, let's play 379.
Well, I mean, that's the other now theory doing the rounds, right, among, you know, that the reason no one's going to release the real data that they have is because he must have been some sort of agent or spy.
I don't think he was working for a particular government.
I don't know what your take on that is.
People of power, people of influence, who enjoyed his company.
I mean, I think we're mesmerized by him in so many ways.
And part of what was mesmerizing is that everybody came away with knowing things they did not know.
I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was certainly a conduit of all kinds of information.
So I guess based off of what you're saying then is that they could just give Ghislaine Maxwell immunity and just let her talk freely then.
Maybe.
I mean, that's another thing.
Have you ever like looked into the Ghelaine Maxwell trial?
Like, there's some stuff that's weird about it.
We covered it actually.
I was surprised that because there were no cameras.
So back then, not a lot of people were covering it live.
But we were doing on my show, we were doing pretty much daily updates when that thing was coming out.
It was, believe it or not, it was four years ago when she was on trial, which is crazy to even think about.
It's been six years, by the way, since he was found dead in his cell.
So, I mean, this has been, it's just crazy when you think about how long it's been that people have really been asking this.
And I agree, though, that it's a fever pitch now because people are being told, because of the way it's been handled, because people are being told you can't have any information as a, and, and this is totally, you know, on whoever put together that memo from a week and a half ago.
This is totally on them.
I don't think it's on the people asking for questions.
And I certainly don't think it's on voters asking for information and accountability from their government.
I think that's what MAGA is all about, accountability from the government.
And let the chips fall where they may.
Absolutely.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Just release what you got.
Show us what you got.
Well, one thing on what you just said, Jack, like whoever signed off on that memo, I mean, don't we know now that it was like Dan, Cash, and Pam?
Like, they all touched the memo.
They all looked at it.
And that much has been made public now.
I think they just didn't understand how deep this goes, at least the intrigue with the base.
And I think, you know, they know now.
They see now.
But I don't want to go away from what you said, Blake.
What was so weird about the Glaine Maxwell case?
What were you thinking of in your head when you said that?
Well, so, for example, this came out.
One of the jurors.
So when they were getting jurors for the trial, they asked on the jury questionnaire, were you a victim of sexual abuse or someone close to you a victim of sexual abuse?
And this guy said no on his form.
And then it turned out that was not true.
He claims to have been a sexual abuse victim himself.
And his testimony to other members of the jury about his own abuse, which was not at issue in the trial, like helped them overcome their doubts.
And he was explaining how actually what the process of abuse is like and how the fact that their stories are inconsistent or have holes doesn't disprove them.
It was like totally the Me Too narrative that we've Heard before where, like, oh, if their story doesn't make sense, that's just, that's because the abuse affected them so badly.
And then, like, afterwards, he was just straight up, like, celebrating with one of the alleged victims about like helping achieve this verdict outcome.
Like, it was not, it was very odd behavior from a juror.
Also, one of the acute, one of like the four core victims in the case was like a schizophrenic who said that she had voices warning her that people were, like, agents were going to come and kidnap her children and take them away for sex trafficking.
Like, there's a lot of weird stuff around the case.
And I think it's worth remembering that Epstein getting arrested the second time, leading to his suicide, that was happening at the height of Me Too.
It followed, like, a series of articles from the Miami Herald that basically laid out, you know, all these people who said they'd been abused by Epstein.
I just think it's worth pausing to think like how much do we truly 100% ironclad know in this case versus like the mythology, the mythos that people have built up around this for years because I feel like I often have You could, but it's also why there wouldn't be nearly as much as people think.
And I've heard stuff like the great mystery of why Jeffrey Epstein had so much money.
Like, this is just a 100% thing that can't be explained.
So I finally, I just went and I read biography, like articles about Epstein from 2002, before he'd even been arrested or anything.
And he was a math teacher, and then he was super smart and incredibly good at math.
Like, he's clearly a prodigy.
He was a math teacher at Dalton at like 20, and he didn't even need a college degree.
And everyone just thought, they were like, you're a genius.
You should go work at that Wall Street, those banks that are doing stuff.
He gets a job at Bear Stearns.
Blake, wasn't it like some, one of the, so it's a prestigious school.
One of the dads goes, what are you doing?
Dalton school.
What are you doing teaching math in high school?
You need to go work for my friend at Bear Stearns.
Yeah, and he goes there.
And this is, this is.
Well, wait, wait.
There was also, if you go back to the Dalton school, there were some issues between him and some of the students there, too.
Particularly the girl students.
Well, so he's this guy, like, he's, he's, he basically, he's a guy who was insanely talented at money.
Like, I think when people say, how did this math teacher get so rich?
It often carries this implication, like, he was this nobody until he's 30 or 35 or something, and then he suddenly plucked up and becomes incredibly rich really quickly.
When it's actually, he was a math teacher when he was like 20 to 22.
Then he goes and works on Wall Street at the age you would work on Wall Street as a young adult, even today.
And he rises incredibly rapidly.
I think he joins Bear Stearns in 70, like 79 or something.
And he's like a partner within three years.
And then he supposedly like quickly jumps out and starts his own firm.
His ascent was absolutely meteoric.
And he's working with billionaire clients, supposedly with his own firm, from like 1983 onwards.
And if you're employing billionaires, if you have billionaire clients paying you millions of dollars as a flat fee for money management from the mid-80s, you could absolutely be insanely rich by the 90s.
But Blake, you're skipping over an important point because you've put that article in our chat and I read it.
The question that I had instantly reading that jump from working on Wall Street and Bear Stearns, then all of a sudden he launches his own firm.
It basically paints, and I don't remember the author.
Blake, there's some mystique around the author too that you brought up.
But the author goes, well, he instantly only was accepting billionaire clients, like almost instantly.
Like if you had 500 or 800 million dollar portfolios and you were saying, hey, manage my money, he'd say, it's not big enough.
So this is like early, mid-80s.
He's still really pretty young.
That jump alone was pretty dramatic.
That was a question I had.
It's like, how at such a young age with that little track record would you be able to command billion dollars plus in the 80s?
This is not billionaires now.
There was probably only a handful back then.
Yeah, that'd be many, multiple billions of dollars today.
Yeah, so that's true.
Of course, what we know is he's a charismatic guy who is very good at making friends with all manner of people.
That's the best answer.
That's the best non-exciting answer.
Yeah, there's that.
And there's also, I think it's possible that he maybe cultivated a bit of a mystique around himself.
So maybe he basically had one client, two clients.
And then the idea was he had the, you know, he kind of encouraged people to think he possibly had more.
But what we do know, clearly, for example, is like with Les Wexner, who was, he was basically Les Wexner's money guy from 87 to 2007.
The founder or CEO of Victoria's Secret.
Yeah, yeah.
Limited.
Yeah, and this guy.
Limited.
He's basically, he has power of attorney over this guy in the early 90s.
He had absolute control of a multi-billionaire's money.
All his money.
And later, I will note, Wexner claims that basically Epstein embezzled large amounts of money from him.
He basically claimed he got robbed.
So that would be believable.
Like, if you, he was basically running this guy's money and he self-enriched himself to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.
So maybe the narrative is as simple as he had one or two very rich people get really, like, become extremely close with him and he essentially exploited them.
Certainly would not be the first such arrangement to exist in American finance or anywhere else.
And so I only bring all of that up to say there actually are mundane explanations of, comparatively mundane explanations.
So you don't have this thing where only, oh, he's an intelligence asset explains what he was able to do.
I think he's a smart and extremely like charismatic individual who was in Wall Street during this massive boom time can explain a lot of things.
And I think for the later stuff, like there was a sort of like mythology around him that encouraged wild accusations, wild beliefs.
And we're sort of now Coming to terms with that, and people are finding it difficult to extricate themselves from these many, many years of like mythology building around Epstein.
Yeah, but Blake, there's things like how did he get possession of the largest mansion estate in Manhattan that was owned by the State Department via these like.
It was owned by Wexner, wasn't it?
Like, the claim is he got it from Wexner.
He sold it to him.
Is that the claim?
Yeah, so Wexner had it, and then he sold it.
And there's some claims he may have sold it to him for a dollar, which would also explain if he was able to get it before he would have otherwise been able to afford it.
But he may have also just bought it normally because he made a ton of money.
I tend to agree with you.
By the way, I think that, you know, I was looking at this former prime minister, Naftali, or whatever, Israeli prime minister, because, you know, post-Tucker being at SAS, then the entire Israeli Jewish community was, you know, pretty up in arms that Tucker was suggesting that the tie only went between Israel, Mossad, and Epstein.
And so then you have, you know, you have former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett firmly denies it.
So we asked Mike Bence about that on the show, and Mike was like, hey, I look at this as like, you know, really an artfully written letter, essentially saying, yeah, we're not denying any ties.
He just didn't work for us.
Okay, well, what does working for you mean versus having ties?
And I tend to, the way I look at this, and Blake, I think you would probably resonate with this at some level, is this is a guy that's fooling around with, you know, hot women and then underage women.
He claims, you know, at the time that he didn't know any of them were underage.
I think he, I think we all can ignore that.
He probably knew.
He probably, he was doing weird crap with them.
A lot of these women claim they were victimized, all that stuff.
But he obviously had this appetite for titillation, right?
He liked the extreme things.
He was always pressing.
And again, motor of a socialite.
Like he had this motor of an inquisitive brain of conversation.
He would call people, apparently be on the phone for 10 hours a day with overseas, you know, currency brokers.
And he would be checking on markets all day long and building up these relationships.
And I see what he did as much on the island for himself, his own getting kicks for himself and creating this mystique.
But also it was probably good for business.
He was known as a bon vivir, right?
Like this sort of man about town, a man of mystery.
He liked to keep it that way.
And it is probable that he was doing titillating things because he found it intriguing working with Intel agencies, right?
So doing these offshore, you know, complicated tax shelters or layering of different businesses.
Like this was, he had a particular set of skills that he could sell out to the highest bidder, but it didn't necessarily mean he was married to any of them, right?
So he might have been involved in different projects within the Intel community that were seedy or unseemly, but that was, it's almost like he might have been drawn to that because it was, this is the type of person he, like, what do you call him, Blake, a fabulist?
I think that's a fairly compelling way to look at his psychological makeup.
He would do things that increased his mystique, that got his kicks off, that, that, you know, and that sort of pattern holds in each different area of his life.
Yeah, there are other articles about him that say basically in the 80s he told people he was an intelligence agent.
I feel like, you know, the greatest Intel asset of all time would not do that.
But there are definitely fabulous who tell people all the time that they're intelligence assets, and a lot of people even believe them.
This actually works with a ton of people.
You just tell someone you work for the CIA, and if they don't get it disproven otherwise, they sometimes just believe it.
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I guess like getting back to the core thing is are we able to does this like damage the administration or are they going to be able to extricate themselves?
I don't know.
Jack, what do you think?
Look, I think it's already showing up in polling.
I think it's going to be something that, and by the way, let's keep in mind too that the effect of the tariffs is now starting to come in where we are, you know, CPI was down, which was good.
But at the same time, you know, the effect of the tariffs is starting to be seen a little bit here and there with price increases around the board.
You know, July usually is a very, very like, it's the doldrums of summer.
This is normally not a hot news time.
The news cycle is usually completely quiet during July.
And yet here we are with this completely heated, I mean, almost seems chosen kind of discussion.
And, you know, it's really one that was done without any reason, as far as I know, as far as I can tell.
There's no political or legal reason to put this memo out when they did.
And so what I think the admin, here's the issue, right?
Here's what I'm trying to say.
The admin has a lot of wins that they can directly point to.
They're also going to have to be spending political capital on various things here and there as things come up, you know, ICE raids, et cetera, et cetera, tariffs.
Who knows, something kicks off with Ukraine or not, this new arms deal that's going through.
And so this thing has turned into this massive, I think, umbrella in the sense that it's blocking out everything else that's going on.
And for people to think that it's just, it's a mistake to think that it'll just go away on its own.
And it's a mistake to think that people will just stop caring about it because they're told to.
I don't think that's how MAGA works.
I don't think that's how the America First movement works.
And I don't think it's going to go away, quote unquote, until some pressure is released in some way.
Now, whether that's by a release, I would love to see a release, whether that's by a special prosecutor.
I would love to see a special prosecutor.
We're now one hour away from that interview with John Solomon that's going to drop here with President Trump.
It was recorded earlier this morning.
So we're going to hear that as well.
But of course, the question is, are we going to actually get one?
No, I have heard that there is a serious effort underway to appoint a special prosecutor and that names are being listed already.
So there's a list of names that's being brought together of potential, you know, potential individuals who could be that special prosecutor.
This is a deep state thing, right?
Deep, deep state prosecutor.
So it's going to be kind of like over all this, including Epstein, but it's going to be like.
Yeah, so it's, you put it together, right?
So it's a deep state prosecutor, but you add Epstein to the scope memo of this broader conspiracy that they were looking at already with Russiagate, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et cetera.
But you add Epstein essentially to that as well to see if there's any nexus or be able to go.
And so for people to understand this, by the way, when you look at Mueller, right, the special counsel's office isn't just, it's not just like one person is going over and reviewing this stuff.
They have teams under them.
They have prosecutors.
They have investigators.
They have analysts.
So you can easily have dual tracks of investigations and different buckets that they're looking into underneath the office of the special counsel, if that is the route that they end up going under.
And by the way, there's also a question of whether or not this person needs to be Senate confirmed.
That's something that with some of these Supreme Court orders that came down.
Actually, Blake, that would be, that's an interesting question for you.
I know I'm kind of throwing you for, you know, didn't ask this beforehand, but is it true that with some of the court rulings on Jack Smith that a special counsel would need to be Senate confirmed?
So it's unclear because I think the court ruling was specifically about his, correct?
Or I haven't closely looked at this, but I think.
But you know what I'm talking about, right?
Yeah, yeah.
It's not required for an inferior.
Yeah, it's not.
Currently, I think they could still do it.
In theory, I know Clarence Thomas basically said in like one of his concurrences that he would really like the Supreme Court to look at this, but I don't think the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that basically special counsels of that sort are actually not allowed anymore.
But you are putting me on the spot, so I don't know for sure the answer.
No, no, I am.
I don't think it was the Supreme Court either.
I think it was just a federal court.
I think it was just a district level.
I know we all were upset about Jack Smith being appointed special prosecutor without Senate confirmation.
And I believe what was the judge down in Florida?
What was her name?
I think she ruled something about that as well, or she had written about that in one of her rules.
Eileen Cannon, yeah, that's right.
So it's a good question.
We should probably look into it.
No, I think it's good.
And so for folks who are there, you know, I want to, you know, in the chat, you know, send us your stuff as well.
You know, freedom of charliefurk.com or 1776 at humanevents.com.
Send us your comments because there's a ton out there on this.
We've spent now about 47 minutes talking about it, way longer than certainly we intended to.
But honestly, we could go even further because, you know, at the end of the day, I think this is a situation where people want answers.
You're starting to see, by the way, when you look at the polling, this is something where the left and the right are actually in agreement on.
They want more answers to come out on this or at least something to be done in this situation.
So it's sort of becoming a self-perpetuating prophecy here where, you know, it's or self-fulfilling prophecy, I should say, where the absence of a story has created a story rather than the other way around.
And that goes back to the way it was handled.
That goes back to the way that it was set up.
Do you guys want to get into the Somali mayors?
Oh, boy.
We knew this had to come someday from Minneapolis, but they could have waited a bit longer.
But here we are.
What's his name again?
Yeah, I had it.
Omar.
Omar Fateh, right?
Yeah, Omar Fateh.
Which I assume that's probably Fateh, like the word for conquest in Islam.
They have basically that.
It's super common in Turkey because it refers to the Islamic conquest of the Christian Empire.
But anyway, we'll have a different Islamic conquest going on in Minneapolis.
And I'm sure it will work out equally as well for the inhabitants.
So yeah, this guy, Omar Fateh, he is a Somali born in the United States, but he has clips of him referring to Somalia as our country, much like Ilhan Omar also has clips of her doing that.
And he's really ours.
He was born in 1990.
He's only 35.
Oh, gosh.
Oh, man.
So he's basically as old as I am, But he's running for mayor of a large city.
Do we have what's the number for it?
I should bring this up here.
Oh, yeah.
So we've got, he's vowing to protect all of the illegal immigrants of Minneapolis from ICE.
Let's play 286.
Protecting all of our communities from Donald Trump means not letting MPD interact with ICE, whether it's for an immigration raid or not.
Our residents deserve a mayor that will stand up to Donald Trump and say no, not in our community.
Did you know that the city's own data showed that 47% of calls to NPD can be diverted to non-police response?
Cops aren't social workers.
And then, should we just play, let's play the clip of him referring to Somalia, our home.
Let's play 309.
I understand that our Somali communities are all connected to each other here in Minnesota and back home and ask for your support.
There's always been a link between our community here as well as back home.
And I'm running to bridge that gap and unite all of us and represent all of us because when we succeed here, we're going to succeed everywhere.
And I'm hoping to do that just like Abderzak, inshallah.
Inshallah.
Back home.
Back home.
Back home in the motherland.
Back home in Somalia.
So actually, this is the issue.
And so apparently Unheard is like writing an article about me this week.
And they asked me about this.
What do you mean?
Because I said, this guy's clearly not an American.
I said the same thing about Zora Mamdani.
And what I'm getting at is we have at some point, this is a broader debate.
And it's honestly something that I think is one of the most pressing issues in America today, because we now have these foreign enclaves inside the United States, which are completely, as you can hear from their own words, that they bear allegiance to the homeland, the motherland.
They bear affinity towards them.
This is something, by the way, that our founding fathers were very directly worried about and very directly concerned about, the idea of allegiance to foreign powers.
It's something that all of them spoke at great length about.
But then when you combine that with new factors such as the internet and social media, which allow for this direct communication, direct consumption of media from that area, news from that area, FaceTime, group chats, et cetera, you really don't even need to assimilate at all within the home country anymore, the Western country, the host country, if you will.
And they can grow and grow exponentially in many cases, particularly Somalia.
But then there's also this question of birthright citizenship.
So this individual, Omar Fatah, which, by the way, I looked this up before the show.
I wasn't able to get a definitive answer as to whether or not his parents ever attained U.S. citizenship at all.
I think it said that they came when they were younger as students, and yet I have no information as to whether or not they ever obtained U.S. citizenship.
And yet here he is running for mayor.
He's a U.S. citizen, and yet he bears allegiance to Somalia.
You saw the same thing with Zora Mondami, who is someone who just became a citizen a couple of years ago and is now running and probably will be the next mayor of New York, although I believe the polling has tightened up a little bit in that race, where it's, I think it just bears, you know, and for everybody, you know, I'll open it up.
It just bears this bigger question of, you know, does a piece of paper make you an American?
Does a piece of paper mean, oh, well, here you go, you're an American now because this piece of paper, this stamp says you're American.
And I would argue that that's not what a nation is.
And I would argue that these ethnic enclaves and mass immigration absolutely do dilute our national character and our national identity.
And a nation is a breathing, living, organic thing.
And every other nation around the world and all throughout history would agree with us in this aspect.
And it's this belief in this weird 1960s version of the country that, oh, that like anybody can just automatically become an American has led to some really, really bad outcomes.
So a kind of fact that's interesting regarding whether his parents became citizens.
So I'm reading here, this is from migrationpolicy.org, but Somalia.
Did you know that of all immigrants from any country that we have like a sizable number of, Somalis have the highest naturalization rate of actually going through the process of becoming citizens?
68% of all immigrants from Somali have gone all the way and become citizens, whereas the average overall is just 52%.
So they're like way above the norm.
And I think it's worth confronting that.
It's worth talking about that because I would hazard to say that Somalis are probably among the groups with the highest rate of like probably going on state support, receiving welfare in various ways.
They probably have lower employment rates than a large number of immigrant groups.
And we've seen it play out multiple times where you have, frankly, insane feeding frenzies on government money that route through the Somali community.
Anyone who's unfamiliar with it should look up the Feeding Our Future scandal.
That was a COVID era program where they basically were receiving money to provide meals to children during COVID.
And they took hundreds of millions of dollars.
And if you look at the indictment for this, every single person involved has a Muslim name, except for the one white Lutheran woman who's at the very top of the organization.
It's like her and then everyone else below it.
And they're basically just taking cash and shipping it directly to Somalia that they got through this thing.
Everything about it from top to bottom was fake.
And it really has to stand out.
There's just a clear-cut difference in my view from one guy maybe embezzling money from a company he works at or someone robbing a store or something and this like real like hundreds or dozens of people possibly hundreds participating in this Systematic plundering of the government so they can route money to their like ethnic subgroup.
And then when they were trying to prosecute this, people were offered like multiple, like tens of thousands of dollar bribes.
Like we had jurors who were just offered bribes.
This was caught.
This was detected.
It's like absolutely insane what has happened because they've built up this large sub-national community in Minneapolis.
And I think, you know, Matt Walsh went viral the other day for just asking, I challenge anyone, he said, to provide a single way America has benefited from Somali immigration.
And the simple answer is, but no, it's no, no, that's not true, Blake.
That's not true because I was able to answer and rise to the occasion of Matt Walsh's challenge.
Because does anyone remember Sports Illustrated a couple years ago, the Burkini?
Yes, that's right.
The Burkini is what we have thanks to Somali Americans.
God bless, excuse me, Allah bless the Burkini, the wonderful Burkini.
You don't want to get caught wearing a Burkini in Minnesota in the wintertime.
It's a little nippy.
I think it's really interesting what's happening in Minnesota.
The back, the history, the political history of Minnesota is you're starting to see a significant shift.
Kamala Harris only barely squeaked out Minnesota this last go-around.
And a lot of this has to do with the fact that Minnesota has one of the few not Democrat proper Democrat parties.
They have what's called a DFL.
So it's the Democratic Farmers and Labor Party there.
There was a merger that happened, I think it was pre-World War II, somewhere in the early 1900s, that they merged together and it was the farmer, the farmers, mostly farmers, but farmer and labor party merged together with the Democrat Party.
And now you have today this circumstance where it's like you've got a complete takeover of outsiders coming into the state of Minnesota and people finally that are Democrats are waking up.
And we see this now happening in the outskirts and again, where the DFL really dominated for the better part of a century, which was in the more rural parts of Minnesota that have now gone Republican.
Now you have Republican congressmen that are there.
And that, for the first time in a long time, the western part of the state went Republican a few years ago.
And so you are seeing a shift and a change.
And this is becoming right down lines.
And so I do think that the outcomes of having such radicalized foreign nationals come in is for certainly driving Democrat proper rural areas more Republican.
The question is, is that going to be fast enough and enough votes to offset the growth that we're seeing with the invitation of all these foreign nationals coming into cities like Minneapolis, where you have to ultimately abandon your state and just the entire rural area basically just has to live underneath a Somalian empire that has been created within your state.
And people are waking up to that now.
And like the average Democrats, moderate Democrats are like, oh my gosh, like I don't agree with any of this.
I'm going to vote Republican as DFL members.
And that's the reason why they have like a million, they have estimated more than a million more voters than Republicans do.
The DFL does in Minnesota.
And yet Donald Trump only lost the state by whatever it was, like 3%.
Yeah.
Like, it's crazy.
So this is the same issue with New York City that's going on right now.
It's like there is like letting them hang themselves a little bit is that you're going to have this shift as these things continue to happen.
I would much rather, and this is a thought crimey subject here because people will debate me and say I'm stupid all day long for saying this, but I would much rather have a foreign national get elected incidentally as mayor of a big city that we've already lost anyways to commie Dems who are constantly brokering deals in the background because it's going to actually have a net positive rightward shift outcome when people don't like what they see.
I just think, yeah, I mean, I've been, I went kind of viral for talking about this at SAS.
And, you know, I don't care.
Like, it's just, it's gone too far at this point.
Everyone knows what an American is.
This is way too much.
And it's just too far.
The whole thing has just gone too far.
And I think that's why the average American is like, I don't want to hear any of these flowery arguments about, oh, this is why we need this.
And this is why we need the Mall of America to be overrun by Somalians anymore.
Like, just, it's just too much.
I'm with you, Jack.
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I am 100% American.
I'm going to die here.
I'm going to raise my kids here.
I know what an American is.
And when I see guys like Fatah, Omar Fatah, or Zoram Amdani, or this is some guy in Detroit that's running for Senate in Michigan, I forget his name, I just instantly think, immigration moratorium.
I want an immigration moratorium.
I want less legal immigration because it's obviously getting gamed.
It's chain migration crap where they just bring all their nephews and nieces and their aunties and their uncles over and they say, oh, look, we've got this United States and we can just fleece the system.
And, oh, yeah, we happen to be Muslim, which means we're called to politically dominate the host country like a parasite.
And we're going to play into their sympathies and their weaknesses because all these white people are scared of being called racist.
And so we're going to use their rules against them.
And we're going to take over.
And then you get this red-green alliance where they're all sort of race Marxists and socialists.
And they want to extract the wealth of hardworking Americans to give it away to all these people we just imported because we're all racist, apparently.
And so the whole thing is a ball of wax.
It's a mess.
And if anybody with half a brain, and kudos to Matt Walsh for saying it, knows that this does us no good.
This does us zero good.
You don't even, like, I don't even know about Somali food, right?
At least with like Mexican immigrants, you could say, I like the tacos, okay?
And they're Catholic.
But with Somalis, you got, it's the Muslim portion of it where I'm sorry, you're not going to assimilate the same way that a Christian nation will assimilate.
And you've also got no good food.
And these people, I'm sorry, of all the countries on planet Earth where you could make an argument that, oh, they bring some sort of like good aspects of their culture.
Somalia is a disaster.
And it's a disaster for a reason.
It's called the quality of the people.
And it's called the quality of the culture, the quality of the governance.
There is no, I mean, look at, look no further than Ilhan Omar.
This woman is a train wreck.
She's an ingrate.
She has made Congress worse.
She's a disgrace to Congress.
She's a disgrace to Minnesota.
The fact that she's getting elected is only as a result of poor immigration policies.
So yeah, I'm done with it.
I want an immigration moratorium.
That's it.
Net zero.
We just take in as many as we get out.
We'll do some genius visas.
We're going to automate everything.
Enough of this crap.
And by the way, there is, and Blake, you know this better than me, but there is data to support when we look at our fertility rates across the West.
When you start importing the third world, if fertility rates, maybe they were already low to begin with, that might just be a factor of modernity.
I'm not saying there's only one variable here, but when you start importing the third world and you are growing up and you become of age to start having kids and you think, you don't necessarily feel tied to the culture that you're inhabiting anymore.
You don't look around and go like, I want my kids to inherit my country because it's my country.
There's like some weird psychological pattern that unfolds and you don't, you don't, that doesn't trigger when you feel like your country doesn't belong to you anymore.
And I'm sorry, I'm old enough to remember an America that looked dramatically different than this.
And guess what?
It was better.
It was more cohesive.
It was more singing from the same song sheet.
And, you know, so point is, Blake, make, I don't know what, Blake, you sent some research paper on basically declining birth rates and high immigration zones.
High immigration of like of other groups, like it suppresses, it lowers like the fertility rate of the actual like natives of the country.
And that also can just exacerbate what people, I think so much of this just happens because people are bad at math.
Like every time mass immigration projects have been started, it always starts with someone saying this won't like fundamentally change the nature of the country.
And it always fundamentally changes the nature of the country.
It fundamentally changes the country.
Which Ted Kennedy said in 1965.
Yes.
He said it about us.
And like they said to other countries.
They told this to the Britons before they started bringing everyone in.
They've told it to the French.
They've told it to all sorts of people.
And the answer is just it's not true, especially at the scale they are doing it.
And yeah, it's really like, you know what?
I'm going to divert this thing.
We need to actually highlight this because we haven't mentioned it on Charlie's show yet.
And we need to make sure it happens.
In the UK, did you see this story, Tyler?
In the UK, the government, they initiated an operation to bring 24,000 Afghans from Afghanistan to Britain.
And then they got a court order.
They got a judge to order that it was illegal to report on this.
It was illegal for the press to notify the public that this was happening.
They spent £7 billion on this to fly them to the UK.
Even as, I'm not making this up.
The government did an internal report that one, actually, they're not really in any danger from the Taliban, and this is probably not necessary.
And two, by the way, a lot of these migrants will probably be radicalized because the UK is a dump and they're going to decide that it sucks and they're going to become terrorists.
Yeah.
I just, I mean, it's shocking.
Britain is.
But here's what's crazy.
Look at the average birth rate of a Somali.
This plays into what you're talking about, Blake.
Look at the average birth rate.
I know we have this here.
It's 380.
Throw it up in the middle.
This is in Somalia, okay?
Granted, this is not Somalians in America, but you can imagine the culture.
This is 6.2 Somalis per woman.
Per woman.
This is 2022.
Our birth rate is around 1.6, 1.65 per woman in the United States.
You bring over the DFL woman only has negative babies, actually.
So the average DFL woman.
I don't know what that means, but it's two abortions per DFL member.
Anyways, make sure that's stacked outside.
But Blake, to your point, when you bring over 24,000 Afghans or whatever, I don't know their birth rate off the top of my head, but I'm assuming it's higher than your average Western woman.
You're not just bringing over 24,000.
You're bringing over people that are going to go on the dole.
You're bringing over higher crime.
You're bringing over probably sex pests.
And we've seen this throughout Europe.
And you're bringing over all of their increased birth rates.
So when you're talking about math and you go to like Somalia, the Somalians going into Minneapolis, if you start doing the charts of how one population is going to keep growing, plus, and the other one shrinking, plus you talk about chain migration, like this problem may have already become too big to solve in a place like Minnesota.
And also, this is part of what they'll do.
One, they'll say, like, we need this to keep our birth rate high enough to avoid our pensions becoming collapsing, or like, we need them to fill like all the holes in our employment system.
But it's literally a scam from top to bottom because, especially if they're coming from Afghanistan or Somalia, these groups have vastly higher rates of unemployment, vastly higher rates of going on every form of welfare.
And like, multi-generationally, you'll just have a huge share of them be not in the workforce.
Again, let's say, it's worse than that.
During the Biden years, our tax dollars were going to fund NGOs to help them understand how to game the system.
So then they would get here and then we paid to help them fleece us.
So you want to know what the scariest part is?
In most of these states where they bring in Middle Easterners or Africans from these countries, most of the places that they go to work now, they are coached through the healthcare system and social work.
So a lot of the individuals, this is why you're seeing this, is you'll have, and again, this is just a scary fact.
You have international migrants coming here with absolutely no skills whatsoever.
They're put through things that we pay for to put them through school for healthcare working, like nursing, long, like end-of-life care type stuff, senior care type stuff, social work type stuff.
And that's who's now taking care of our elderly here in America.
People who are brand new here to this country, don't even speak the language.
And now we're sticking them in just basically, you know, change diapers on seniors and feed them and get them up and out of bed.
And that to me is just like a very scary thing as well when you think about it is that, you know, when we talk about how society has changed so much with young people not getting jobs and doing the tasks that we expect now foreigners to do, we're outsourcing foreign labor to take care of our seniors.
So they're taking over jobs that young people should have.
They're also taking jobs that you should probably be doing as a family.
We're talking about the complete disruption of American societal values, top to bottom, all because they want to institute foreign labor into the U.S. And this is like a very common thing.
Like in Minnesota, it says the number one job that Somalis have is social work.
The main job they end up being qualified for is like managing how much assistance their community needs to function.
Crazy.
Always worth reminding people, like the main, remember the infamous Ilhan Omar marrying her brother story.
It's not a story of like incest.
No one actually really argues she had sex with her brother or something.
It's entirely a story of just scamming this dumb system.
It is an entire group whose like main livelihood is scamming the system.
And teaching others how to do it.
We had a guest on Charlie's show the other day.
Do you know what group has the highest autism rate in the world?
Minnesota Somalis.
Way higher than anyone else.
Guess what?
You get tons of money when your kid is diagnosed.
Wonderful autistic.
So it's like, you just look at it and it's from top to bottom.
It's like, what is the economic livelihood of this immigrant group that we brought into America?
It is literally skimming off like the surplus that everyone else in Minnesota is able to create.
Why would any country do this?
So number one is social work.
Number two in Minnesota is healthcare and servicing, which isn't like real health care.
It's like senior care like we're talking about.
Number three is teachers of Somali heritage and Somali bilingual teachers bilingual educators you need in the public schools because there's so many kids who don't speak English.
So this is what I want to, this is my point though, right?
When we create these ethnic enclaves, what we're doing is you're not making someone a hyphenated American.
You're not even making someone a little bit American.
They're not Somalian Americans.
They're just Somalians.
They're just Somalians in America.
That's even, if you listen to Omar Fatat, that's exactly how he describes it.
He describes it as this sort of like, like it's an excerpt, like it's a separate part of Somalia that's in America.
He's telling the truth.
That's exactly what's going on.
And so when I say he's not an American, that's what I'm referring to.
I understand that on a piece of paper, he's a legal citizen.
I get all that.
I get birthright citizenship, but what I'm talking about is something much bigger and much broader.
Become an American is a multi-generational process.
It absolutely is.
And in this case, they don't even seem to be interested in embarking on that.
I want to go, I think we have this clip.
It's clip 384.
And this is from the Mall of America today.
Like, currently.
It's B-roll.
And yeah, it's just B-roll.
Wait, this was today?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Like, like, in modern day.
In modern day.
Oh, yeah, in modern day.
Like, modern day.
I have another one from the 90s.
I'm going to play.
And this was just, I guess, some fight at the Mall of America recently, you know, that was going on, which I've never been to.
Have you guys ever been there?
I've never been there.
Yeah, so I remember my parents going there.
My dad had to go on a work trip to Minnesota when I was like in like, I don't know, third grade or something.
And they went to the Mall of America and was like, you went to the Mall of America?
And my dad had pictures they took on like his like, you know, the wind-up camera and stuff like that that he had developed with my mom.
And it was like, like an umbrella.
And he brought back like a shirt from the Mall of America.
And it was like, this is an incredible place.
Like, this is like, you can see it from space.
Like, it's like people really wanted to, you know, go see it and be there.
And now you have this.
Now you have like, it's like a third world country inside Mall of America.
So like a lot of our big cities.
This went hyper viral.
This went hyper viral on Twitter right after this.
And this is so we have footage of the opening, right, when the Mall of America opened in 1992 and the crowds that were there.
And again, this is something where I remember when this happened.
I remember what I was old enough to remember when this opened.
I remember this whole thing.
So let's play clip 385.
The mother of all shopping crowds was waiting as the doors opened.
Yes, shop till you drop.
We are professional shoppers.
By noon, the two parking ramps were filled with 13,000 cars and that sent the mall's war room into action.
We were able to divert the upside parking properly and efficiently and effectively within five minutes.
There was congestion on the road, but the plan seemed to work.
Meanwhile, the traffic jam continued inside the mall.
It took almost an hour to get on some of the most popular amusement roads, and the wait continued in the food line.
They're just talking about how fun it is to be there, you know, how excited they are to be there.
You also get into these sort of like, I don't know, there's sort of like 90s American archetypes that just don't quite exist anymore.
Like there's a guy who's like a collector.
There's a guy who's there to just sort of, it's towards the end, where he's just, he just visits American landmarks and likes to take pictures of them.
So it's sort of like a precursor to selfie culture, I guess, where he's just sort of sitting there and it's amazing because he's just sort of enjoying the moment saying, yep, I really love this mall of America and I'm really excited to be here.
You could tell he's just so genuine about it, where he's not posting it to some blog or he's not posting it to some social media account, where he's just enjoying it because it's part of America and that's what he loves.
I'm being told by Priestra Faz in the chat that it is the home of the first Nitro, WCW Nitro.
So a ton of, yeah, just a ton of, you know, a ton of history that's gone through there.
That's like, it's just totally gone.
It's just an America that doesn't exist anymore.
I don't know.
What do you guys think?
Yeah, it's actually really sad.
I follow Dead Malls on Reddit and just like you could, they show up the pictures of before and after, like the malls when they opened or like in the 90s and then like what they look like today.
And people like take video cameras in there.
And I think one of the saddest things for me, it's just like, it is what it is.
And I talk about this with like my grandparents who we talk all the time about driving movie theaters and stuff like that.
And just like the entire, the lore of like how America used to be.
And for us, it's, it's malls, right?
And just to see that, and I forget, you forget, you haven't been in a mall in like a long time.
And there's some malls that are still open and you'll go in every once in a while.
Like here in Arizona, we still have Scottsdale Fashion Square.
They're still open, but it's not the same as what it used to be.
And where it was like, you just had a mall in every big city and you would go and it was such a big deal.
And there were like kids would go and hang out all day long and you would see this stuff and it's just gone.
Like the culture of America shifted, I think, with cell phones, like the pretty much when the iPhone was developed and you just don't, and then obviously like Amazon and everything else, but you just don't have any of that anymore.
And the personal interaction that exists, the human interaction, the going there, getting excited about it, being there.
And like a big part of that was like you went with like your family, like you went with your mom or your dad and like they would, they would like give you like five bucks.
They'd be like, don't spend that everywhere.
Right.
Like, and you would go like, you know, to like, you know, Dairy Queen or whatever it was or like hot dog on a stick and you eat whatever Wetzel's pretzels and eat whatever you had there.
And it was like, that was like such a, like a mentally different time.
And now it's like nothing like that exists.
And now I'm looking up, so remember when that kid got thrown off the balcony at the Mall of America by, was it a Somali migrant who did it?
I think it was.
Anyway, he lived.
He's actually doing okay, so that's good.
The New York Post of all things did a follow-up article about him.
He's doing all right now.
So that's good.
But he probably shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony in the first place.
I think that was avoidable and lamentable.
So the biggest difference between outside of no longer having malls everywhere and normal Americans walking through them is now we have no malls and just like a bunch of mentally ill people and a bunch of foreign migrants running around most of our cities.
Great job, America.
Doing well.
So one of the, Tyler, one of the things you're talking about is the idea of third spaces.
I've talked about this quite a bit.
I used to do this thing.
We call it a Pizza Hut nationalism, where even though a Pizza Hut wouldn't necessarily count as a third space, but it was sort of like third spaces were places that you were going to that it wasn't work, it wasn't school, and it also wasn't home.
And it was just a place that you would go to that you would exist in, where you would commune with people, where you would meet people, and you'd sort of bump into people from in, you know, in the real world.
And you weren't, you weren't just there to like pick up something and leave, or you would actually spend time.
And churches are a great example of third spaces.
So churches are sort of one of the only ones left.
But with the death of malls, you really lost this communal gathering place.
So that used to be the town square.
It used to be just sort of your community center.
And we've totally lost that in real life.
I mean, these were places where you could go on a date.
It's where you could meet your girlfriend or boyfriend.
It's where you could spend time without mom and dad, like totally looking over your shoulder when you were, you know, a teenager, but you were still in a generally, you know, controlled, safe environment.
And to be sure, you know, part of there's a lot of factors at play here in all these things.
The death of malls, the internet certainly played a huge role in that.
Financialization played a huge role in that.
The rise of crime has played a massive role.
but specifically for the mall of America.
I just don't think that you can accurately tell that story if you don't include the massive influx of Somali migrants that took place over the last 15, 20 years.
You just can't talk about the story of the mall.
And this, in a sense, is sort of a microcosm of America writ large, that, you know, there it was, this incredible, you know, and just play those, play the B-roll again, guys, as we're talking about it.
This was in our lifetime that places like this existed and they were great and they were fun and you could go there and go shopping and get a book to read and go pick up something and meet some people and eat some food, do whatever.
And you didn't have to worry about crime.
You didn't have to worry about getting your children thrown off of the top railing.
It's just stories like that were just completely unheard of.
I should correct before it gets clicked by somebody.
It was a Somali migrant who did that.
That was a false story that spread on the internet.
So I want to correct fake news.
It was just a normal, crazy person, I guess.
So I wanted to throw that out there, but still shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony.
Well, and this is like what you're talking about, Jack, is thanks for that correction, Blake.
Good work.
Way to self-clean up there.
But what you're talking about in those third places is like what we saw in a lot of the sitcoms and stuff like that on TV, right?
Like it's like, that's the Arnold's drive-in from Happy Days.
That's the Max from Saved by the Bell.
Save by the Bell.
That's like, we have talked about this before on the show where it's like those existed.
Central Perk in Friends.
Central Perk and Friends, right?
Like those restaurants in the world.
Those weren't created on Seinfeld.
Those weren't created on sitcoms.
Those were actually a part of American life and they kind of don't really exist anymore.
Like, you know, the fast food, like, especially post-COVID, one of the things, the horrifying things is like they've opened up all these restaurants now, including Chick-fil-As, that they don't even have a dining.
It's like they don't even want that.
They want you to drive through or pick up or get it delivered on apps.
And, you know, this goes back to kind of the very, you know, 1984 stuff that we talk about, which is, you know, what is the ultimate goal of some of the overlords that are out there?
And it's like human interaction actually turns out to be really bad for people who want to control you.
Like they don't want you.
I don't, I really think people, it's sad to say, but I think people choose this.
Like people choose to not go out.
I think people choose it at times, right?
Like the anti-social, whatever you want to, I'm too fast-paced.
I've got too much going on, especially in American, Americanism.
But the point is, is that it is easier to control people when you have less of that.
It is.
But I just think that.
That's like what the soviet.
It makes me think of like, you know, I think it's so easy to say like, oh, they want to control us.
And people just don't want to confront the fact.
Well, they stay inside a lot.
Like, what are people doing with their time?
They're watching huge amounts of TV, whether it's literal TV.
They'll be like, oh, I don't watch TV, but you watch five hours of YouTube videos and live streams a day and all of TikTok.
TikToks.
Yeah, if you're watching two hours of TikToks a day, you are just watching two hours of television, except like even dumber than usual television.
And you can't even talk about it because you have nothing to talk about.
Yeah, then there's nothing to talk about.
Yeah.
And people are like choosing to DoorDash their food rather than go eat it in a place.
And I think it's too simple to just say like, oh, like mass migration or whatever killed them all.
I think it played a role in killing a lot of them.
But a lot of it is just people are kind of, they're retreating from living lives out in public.
And they're retreating from socialization.
And that is an unfortunate reality we have to reckon with.
But you can't just say that's happening because, and I agree, there are more distractions online, but that's also because the public spaces have absolutely deteriorated.
And in places like the mall of America.
You know, it's definitely migration plays a huge role.
I think it's a subconscious thing.
I think it's a subconscious thing.
When you go out and you subconsciously don't recognize or feel like you're part of that community, when you think you're third places, like your parks and your public spaces and your public pools and your malls, they don't feel comfortable anymore.
They don't feel safe.
It's probably a slight change of behavior of degrees over years.
And then before you know it, enough people are feeling the same thing that they've retreated from those spots, at least in a place that's to a level that then becomes really obvious.
And then there's a degradation of like normal, hardworking, law-abiding, normal people in those places.
And so then they go to other places.
Maybe they go to more exclusive places.
Maybe it's the country club.
Maybe it's higher-end restaurants.
But then you start seeing this effect that everything starts costing more because our free stuff is no longer palatable for a large part of the population.
You could call those people racist if you want, or you could just get to the point where, guess what?
It's called cultural displacement and it's real.
Now, this is a point I made before, but when you talk about the urban core and all of a sudden it starts gentrifying and money starts pouring in and you get all these Atlantic articles or New Yorker articles about the cultural displacement of the urban poor and how they can't afford their home anymore, well, you get sympathy for those people.
But when you have however many tens of millions of immigrants that have come in through the third world over the last three or four decades, and all of a sudden people that grew up in this country no longer recognize their neighbors, and you just call them racist, well, you know, they've been culturally displaced too.
So don't be surprised when their public places are no longer frequented by native-born Americans.
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Yeah, that book, there was a book, Bowling Alone, that came out, I think, in 2000 or 2001 that talks about Robert Putnam that really gets into this.
And it talked about how it just mentioned, you know, it started about talking about bowling, but it used bowling as a sort of a linchpin for or a microcosm of civic societies.
And so communities had civic societies and civic societies like the PTA or the Federation of Women's Voters, Boy Scouts, Red Cross, like all these different things.
And that as, and one of those was bowling leagues.
And one of the things they pointed out that more and more Americans from the 1960s on were not joining bowling leagues.
And the teams and club, which is funny because I remember my mom and my dad used to have a bowling night.
And I've talked before about how I lived in a town that was completely destroyed by illegal immigration when they became a sanctuary city.
And my mom and my dad used to have their own bowling balls and were on a bowling team.
And they would have bowling night.
And that bowling alley is now getting shot up because people from Philly are coming out there and gangs are settling beefs because they know people are there.
And so people don't really show up for the bowling league anymore.
And what it ends up them, what they end up doing is that they are bowling alone.
So people will go out and then it's, you know, to do bowling, but you're either bowling alone or just with a couple of friends.
But this idea of the broader civic life just isn't existing anymore to the extent where, you know, these third places like a bowling alley can only be sustained through entertainment or adding non-bowling features.
But the idea of the bowling league just isn't something that exists anymore in the same way.
Yeah.
And this is, I mean, I have conversations with my friends that are all, you know, everyone's in their mid-30s at this point, mid to late 30s, and they're all talking about, you know, things that they remember even their parents used to do.
And it's like, they're starting to have those conversations like, why don't we go do things?
Why aren't there, I mean, there used to be like men's and women's clubs that like adults used to be part of that were very prevalent.
And I'm not saying they don't exist.
They certainly exist in some communities.
But, you know, for millennials, millennials are kind of figuring out now.
It's like, holy crap, like all the stuff that we grew up with is kind of gone.
All the things that our parents grew up with are kind of gone.
What do you do?
And you have to have some creativity and some people that will do it.
But part of this has been like kind of the eradication of religion for sure.
So the eradication of religion in a lot of communities has led to a lot of this.
There's been the assertion that politics supersedes everything else.
Right.
And that's like where, again, people have just kind of just brain numbed everybody.
It's closing those third spaces that you mentioned, Jack, where they just don't really exist anymore.
You know, and like, again, like bring up COVID.
COVID, I think, you know, killed and changed a lot of, you know, I don't know if we've like totally embraced it or recognized it, like how much of society changed post-COVID.
COVID changed dramatically so many things that we forgot.
All the time, like I'll be talking with my wife.
I'll be like, oh my gosh, yeah, we used to do that.
Like, why?
Like, that happened.
It took like three years for people to start going to movies again and it still hasn't recovered.
So like, there just is a world today that has to be, like, there has to be a pretty well-defined decision by, I think, conservative millennials and Gen Z that are going to say, hey, we have to recreate a society that integrates all of this.
And you have to participate in it and want to participate with it.
And to Blake's point, I don't know if they will.
Like, I don't know if people will, if they'll decide to or not.
You're going to have to edge up to it.
I think we're actually effectively going through like a selection mechanism that we're just living through.
And we'll just have to come out the other end.
Like, everyone used to sort of just have kids by default.
We are now selecting for people who actively want kids because they're the only ones who are going to have them.
And I think we're probably going to also like select for people who actually create community because if you don't, you're just going to kind of isolate and like die off.
And we're going to get a lot of that.
I've told people I have an idea.
I want to reinstitute a lot of things that like modern versions of a lot of these like third places that exist.
But, you know, they're just, it's just going to be interesting to see if it's, if it, if it's plausible, possible.
But one of the places like I talked with my grandparents, my parents at length, and I even remember when I was growing up, it still existed was, again, those drive-in movie theaters, things like that, like where it was just like a place to be seen, the things that you do, like the aura that was kind of around all of that.
None of those places really exist anymore.
Like I literally, like there's so few places that exist where, you know, people get excited about those things or they're just like the known go-to places in your community, in your neighborhood.
They just aren't as big anymore.
And like we even talk about, you know, we've talked about this before on, you know, the international thing, right?
With people, migrants coming in, like a lot of our parks, like, you know, don't feel like home.
The stores don't feel like home.
Those, you know, places that were once kind of the places of community have kind of turned into worlds like, is this a third world country?
Is this, you know, I don't even, I don't even recognize someone speaking English here anymore.
And that's problematic, especially when you look at a society.
It's like, where are all these displaced people going?
What are they doing?
Where are they doing with their time?
And that ultimately leads to higher crime.
It leads to breakdown in family community.
Because again, if dads don't have places to take their kids, right?
Like, parents don't have places to take their kids, what's going to happen?
Where do they go?
What do they do?
They're not doing anything, right?
They're not doing enough to really lean into their families.
And so, that's a big difference.
That's a big difference with how society looked just a couple decades ago to where it is today.
Well, let's not be so black pilled because you can still do it.
By the way, listen, I think economic growth, getting serious about enforcing crime, you know, penalties on crime, accountability, these things can turn around communities, make them safe again.
We saw this with the revitalization of Times Square.
And Plague, to some of your points you've made, it's like, listen, we went through a crime wave in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and early 90s that got corrected with a country that we all are talking about in glowing terms.
And maybe there's a little rose-colored glasses here.
But we went through a crime wave during those decades that wasn't turned around until the policing surge of the mid-90s.
And you saw that in LA, you saw that in New York, and you saw that in metropolises all across the country.
More police, less crime.
And then you saw this flood of investment that poured into the cities and you saw them turn around.
And then it became, you know, then we went through a reverse cycle that started in 2014 a little bit, maybe before that, but really 2014 with the Ferguson and then George Floyd 2020 and then a spike in urban crime.
And so these things do tend to fluctuate.
People forget the lessons of the past and they go back and they repeat the same mistakes.
And then you have to learn the old lessons again.
So, you know, I'm a big fan of lots of police and that can really change and turn things around.
Which is what they did in New York City, which is exactly what they did in New York City to make it so safe as it is now, which was absolutely the right answer.
And I really do think that America is under policed.
And beyond that, it's not just underpoliced, but it's also with this situation.
You add the migrants on top of that, the massive invasion.
You add the influx of this.
And then you add like the Soros prosecutors and this whole idea that, oh, you know, it's, you know, you only shoplifted less than $1,000.
So it's totally fine.
Or, you know, you get sent right back out on the street with the, you know, revolving door prosecutions and homelessness all over the street.
I mean, it is, it is just visible.
I can remember in my, I can remember in my lifetime, and I'll, I'll drop this off here, but in Philadelphia.
So you guys know that that area of Philadelphia, Kensington, where they always show like the fentanyl zombies walking around.
You know what I'm talking about?
So that used to be called, that's called KNA and the Kensington and Allegheny corners.
And that used to be like a shopping area that you could go.
And I can remember in my lifetime going there with my parents on like, you know, Sunday or whatever and just going shopping like after church.
Like that, that was just a normal place to go out and get some water ice.
And it was totally, totally safe.
And it wasn't like that.
And so all of these quality of life have occurred during our lifetimes.
So I talked to Gen Xers about this, right?
And they described themselves as like the free range kids, you know, Latchke kids.
They would just kind of go ride their bikes after school, run around the neighborhood.
You'd never see them until it was dinner time, right?
And that was considered safe back then.
Why is that not considered safe anymore, Blake?
Thank you.
Thank you.
If you're going to look at the macro trends, is it just because parents have become paranoid because of social media and they see one bad story and then they sort of overreact and they helicopter parent their kids?
Or is there this growing sentiment that like you can't trust your community anymore?
It's been, it's changed.
It's changed for the worst.
I'm asking you, Blake.
Oh, sorry.
I was totally distracted.
I was looking up New York.
No, that's right.
Did you hear what I said?
Yeah.
When we were kids, we ran around the neighborhood in our bikes.
And that was a lot of people who weren't.
That didn't stop because it got unsafe.
That stopped because parents just decided to not allow it anymore.
They became paranoid.
That's actually what it is.
In my town, it definitely stopped because it got unsafe.
Nah, like people, people, I bet people are less free to run around in the absolute safest parts of America.
Their parents still won't let them do it.
I think I agree with you, Blake, that the paranoia of disaster is just more in your face.
Like people are more aware of things that go wrong.
Yeah.
And things broke down in terms of, well, now you'll get in trouble if you do it.
And so the social sanction against it is greater.
And people don't want to be thought of as bad or negligent parents.
We had everything related to the child abuse kind of, I'll be frank, like panic of the 80s.
And that increased paranoia.
The child abuse thing is like a real CPS on your neighbors.
Yeah.
And like the simple truth is, is like you'll get in trouble if you let your kid roam around too much.
And that is going to apply even more in the places that are absolutely the safest.
Like in the end, I think people have to hear it.
Like a lot of stuff that they reminisce about is they just kind of have nostalgia for a period that because they were just 12 at the time.
And in some ways it was better, but a lot of the stuff was not better.
People just lived differently and you could choose to live differently today, but people with that somewhat, Blake.
I agree with that somewhat.
It's like a crime.
Like people, okay, if you are nostalgic for the 1950s, you're nostalgic for a period where America had way less crime.
If you're nostalgic for 1990 or 1986, and a lot of people are, you're nostalgic for a period where America had tons of crime.
And it also, frankly, I think you're making a category error, Blake, because America didn't have tons more crime everywhere.
But it actually did a big part of America's decline of crime.
There is a lot more random stranger crime that's done now.
No.
I think actually that was like the peak of stranger crime.
Harjacking, people going home.
What would they call them?
Follow home break-ins and stuff like that.
Those happen today, but those happened then too, in various ways.
There was just a lot more crime back then, and people kind of got along, and there were more random crimes in your own community.
A big reason crime has actually dropped so much.
It's like, yes, the black crime rate went down, but like the white crime rate also went down, like actually quite a lot from 1990 to today.
So like safe suburbs, like the safe middle-class suburb got safer and middler classer from 1990 until like the present.
And like in general, there's a lot of that.
And people like, you know, murder, you know, if it bleeds, it leads.
People see crime on television and they react to it.
And there have been moments where we have had terrifying spikes.
2020 was bad.
Thousands of people are dead because of the 2020 crime spike.
But I don't think it's accurate to say people don't go outside today because it was safe in like 1990 and it's not safe today.
People don't go outside today because people don't want to go outside.
Violent crime per 100,000 spiked at its highest ever was in right around 1990.
It was 758.1 for every 100,000.
And now it's at 372,000.
So it's essentially half of what it was.
But like it was dramatically increased from 1980 to 1990 and has dramatically decreased since then.
Yeah.
And that's overall a good thing.
We shouldn't return.
I do think that Jack has a point though.
I feel like crime was a little bit, I don't know.
I'm looking for it.
I can't find it.
But it does feel like crime was isolated to certain parts a little bit better.
Easier.
It was easier to avoid crime-riddled places, and now it feels like it's less easy to do that.
If anything, I suspect crime is probably more specifically centered on a handful of places.
And that includes like the spillover, like crazy stuff in San Francisco where like you're like homeless junkies.
But in general, it's like crime kind of collapsed in areas that are not like major crime hotspots in the United States.
So for example, like the bad parts of Baltimore have actually, I think, a higher murder rate today than they even had in the 90s.
The bad parts of like, I think New Orleans actually broke records for its murder rate during the Floyd surge, broke records that existed in the 90s.
But overall, like the national crime rate remained a lot lower.
And so I think a lot of that is the passive crime rate in your random middle class areas went from like pretty low to like extremely low.
It's definitely true today that you can like avoid the bad parts of America with trivial ease.
I don't think any of like frankly, I don't think any of us live in fear that we'll like be victims of random crime.
And I even go to the Arizona Mills Mall that's near here that everyone like claims is relatively dangerous.
I'm like, nothing ever happens at this mall.
And maybe I'm missing it or something.
Well, I hope you're right, Blake.
I hope you're right.
I actually saw somebody selling fentanyl in front of that mall once when I was out there for one of these.
For sure stuff happens at that mall.
For sure.
I woke up.
I was on the phone with producer Fox and I was like, Ryan, wait, isn't there a street club like right across the street from there too?
Ryan goes, OMG, Blake, that mall is so bad.
Shootings all the time.
People always getting jumped.
I ain't ever heard the shootings.
Like, we're going to put body cameras all over you.
So this will be an addition.
This will be the, yeah, I come up with shows all the time that Blake should do.
This show should be Blake at Arizona Mills Mall.
We should do like a Mr. Pete style thing.
Like I get, like, pay me like $1,000 a day for how long I can live in the Arizona Mills Mall.
You get a certain amount of money per hour until you see a crime, until someone spots a crime on your body.
What if the body starts occurring, but I just totally don't notice it because I'm on my phone.
I'm just looking at my phone too intently and I don't see the mugging or the shooting that's happening right in front of me.
I just want, they'll have one of those like mall food court meltdowns and there's like hundreds of people throwing punches and I'm just kind of like walking through not noticing.
Blake literally.
Blake has sparked a conversation with our tech team even.
They're saying literally a shooting in the food court at the start of the year.
Blake, it's like the sex trafficking hub of Arizona.
It is the sex trafficking hub.
Is the strip club across the street?
Wait, wait, wait.
Is there a curfew?
It just means there's a lot of team curfew there.
Oh, that they should just say that.
Like, that's not.
I think they cover injuries.
Is it Arizona Mills or is it just that?
It never existed.
There's like a club near here that.
Well, there is a strip club across the street from it.
Yeah, it's a strip club.
That sounds like that.
It's like a gentleman's establishment.
I mean, I probably mean Arizona Grand as the club because that's where they take it.
The data shows that whither less violent than they used to waffle out.
We can't lose our ability to put people in the Arizona Grand.
But here's what they probably during the day spend their time at the mall, and at nights they're at the strip club or the McDonald's.
One of the two.
Or the donor shop.
I'm not a Krispy Grant.
There's a lot of things.
There's a Krispy Grant.
That's recently.
No, that's newly opened.
Blake has data that proves that strip clubs are less violent than they used to be in the 80s.
They probably are.
So you can easily walk around a strip club without getting mugged now because of the precipitous drop in violent crime.
Less cocaine today.
That's probably true, actually.
All right.
Wow.
Oh, there we go.
Now we're getting into real thought crime territory.
So I think we might...
Yeah, Charlie's going to be back.
Yeah, this is what happens.
Charlie's going to come back and be like, what did you do?
Why did you guys do a four-hour episode?
Why did you guys do a four-hour episode about crime at strip clubs?
Well, this is a perfect time to wrap it up because we have Solomon and Trump interview coming out.
And if there is something.
Yeah, that's going to be starting in just a couple of minutes.
Yep.
So I think we should wrap.
We had some other topics.
We will get to those at a later time.
Any last thoughts?
Anyone?
Go around the horn?
Yeah, you know, I just wanted to say I think we shouldn't have any more Somalian mayors.
I just want to put that on a record.
I think we should just elect Americans.
I know that's true.
But he is American.
He is American, Tyler.
He was born here, apparently.
Well, that's flawless, zero accent.
TBD.
I don't know.
He was talking about homeland in that clip a lot.
Jack, he does look like the I'm the Captain Now guy.
He looks like the I'm the Captain Now guy.
That tweet went super viral.
Super viral.
Whoops.
Blake.
Well, that could be the other show that we do is we could send you the body cameras to the strip club.
You're just coming up like, I'm just going to need a whole show of like, like a live stream of Tyler generates like weird experiences to inflict on me.
I just think you're a really interesting person and we could create a channel around you.
I feel like nothing would dispel the idea that I'm interesting faster than putting a camera on my body or something.
It'd be like true music.
You'd have to have Ryan edit it.
But Sidney do weird stuff all the time.
All right, Andrew.
All right.
My rap is that I can't wait to watch the Solomon and Trump interview.
Good.
Because I'm fascinated.
Jack, take us home.
They're not American.
I'm just saying it.
They're not American.
Don't tell me that piece of paper makes them American.
They're not American.
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crimes.
