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But also, I explain how they're going to try to do amnesty without the name of amnesty, and we explore that.
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Yesterday, we made some news, and it seems it's very interesting.
We made some news as we reported on this program that there was a push below the surface to try and sneak in amnesty after the passage of the one big beautiful bill.
Now, mind you, a lot of people covered this yesterday, but no one called us a liar.
Do you notice that?
No one said that we were lying.
Instead, we had Jim Banks, we had Mike Lee, we had Eric Schmidt all come out and affirm and say no amnesty.
In addition, we had Byron Donalds come on our program on this show and say, yep, Charlie, I'm hearing the very same rumors.
In fact, I received a phone call from a top senator yesterday while I was actually in the gym, and he said, a guy that I know, and he says, Charlie, I saw your tweet, saw your show.
I'm going to say is that there are some conversations out there.
How did you know?
It's his question.
I said, well, we have very good sources here.
And he assured me that it was not going to be amnesty.
Now, in that conversation, many other conversations, I have an idea of what potentially could be proposed.
And we're going to try to flush it out.
We're going to explain it.
But very important, though.
The Secretary of Agriculture, and a friend of mine, I've known her for well over a decade, Brooke Rollins, who's a good person, came out today, and she said declaratively, no amnesty.
She came out today and she said there will be no amnesty.
The mass deportations will continue, but in a strategic way.
Brooke Rollins deserves credit for this because she's going to get a lot of heat from the agricultural lobby.
She's going to get a lot of heat from the farm lobby.
So good for you, Brooke Rollins, for saying this.
Let's play CUT 296.
I think we'll probably hear a little bit more about this today and the conversations will continue.
But I can't underscore enough.
There will be no amnesty.
The mass deportations continue, but in a strategic way, and we move the workforce towards automation and 100% American participation, which again, with 34 million people, able-bodied adults on Medicaid, we should be able to do that fairly quickly.
Now, strategic way is understandable, but we also must keep the heat on, which means that, look, if there are some farms that have engaged with illegals for the last 10 years, they got to go.
However, there's a process which is like, we're going to give you 20-day warning, you know, 15-day warning.
You have to scale back.
You have to be able to find American labor or find legal immigrant labor, if necessary.
And again, I hold legal H2BV sound.
I'm a little skeptical.
I think that whole thing's a little bit of a scam.
By the way, of all the different places that we need to do deportations, there are places that are just glaring in front of us where, yes, we can work the farms, but there are places that are currently displacing Americans that want a lot of other jobs in this country.
We have a legal immigration system, which by the way, I think we need a full pause on because we have way too many people in this country, but they should not be here in the first place.
And it's been this amazing last 24 hours to witness major senators, major lawmakers come out and affirm exactly what we have been saying on this program and to reiterate saying, Charlie, you're right.
There is a push for this.
Now, I want to now articulate what some people are proposing as the solution.
Because right now we have a declarative statement.
President Trump's not standing for amnesty.
Brooke Rowland's not standing for amnesty.
But this is a little bit of a word game.
It's going to be a little bit of semantics.
So let me tell you what will likely be a proposal that will be shot out there.
Let me be very clear.
The word amnesty is dead.
But the essence of amnesty very well might not be dead.
I'm just going to be honest.
We have killed the word amnesty.
No one's using the word amnesty.
We have just completely just buried the word amnesty.
It is so unpopular, no one's ever going to use it.
But the spirit of amnesty is still very much alive in Washington, D.C. Not from Brooke and not from President Trump.
I think that they are standing firm with their base, but that does not mean that there will be a one-two-three combo move.
And just this morning, I got a text message that reiterates this.
Good guy owns a hotel and some other stuff.
He says, Charlie, I can't find workers and I can't run my hotel.
I mean, there's going to be a kind of a red alert, kind of 10 out of 10 DEF CON one crisis that will be communicated from the corporate class saying that we need a bunch of illegals.
We can't keep our businesses open.
So that's going to be the opening salvo.
And let me tell you what is going to happen is that you're going to see a narrative in the next couple of months at some way, because, you know, they're distracted right now.
And by the way, the stuff in Texas is just terrible.
You're going to see a narrative.
And when you see one of these synthetic counterfeit narratives, that's why the Charlie Kirks, what we do here in this program is so important.
We are pre-bunking and we are preparing you for what is coming next.
There will be, all of a sudden, front page of Wall Street Journal, front page of the New York Times, it'll be so concocted.
It'll be so synthetic, you'll be like, this seems fake because we're pre-bunking it.
And it'll basically say, massive amounts of businesses can't find workers because of Trump's mass deportations.
So that will be the prerequisite.
And it might happen this summer.
Don't be shocked if they're saying summer vacations are being put in jeopardy by Trump's mass deportations.
So that is the leading argument.
It'll come from the corporate class.
It'll come from a, you can't enjoy your leisure because of mass deportations for maids and for cooks and for janitors.
So that will be the opening salvo.
And so and they're going to say crops are rotting in the field.
And then they'll say, because of this, here is what their proposal will be.
So then someone will say this, because I heard it from a lawmaker yesterday.
I heard it from a lawmaker yesterday.
And he wasn't even saying he supported it.
He said, well, this is what some people are discussing on the hill.
And it's the following.
And then I will tell you why it is seemingly reasonable, but it's a catastrophically bad idea.
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I think every reasonable member of our common sense movement could potentially at least say, you know what?
I see it.
You've been here for 15 years.
You know, you've worked as a chef.
Okay.
Now, hold on.
Now, first of all, I principally don't share that view, but I understand if you do.
However, someone is likely to propose illegals that have been here for 10 years committed no crimes.
They should be given a pathway to legal residency, not citizenship.
Okay, so I want you to think about this in three different steps.
Number one, we do not know how many illegals are in America, and there is no record whatsoever of when they came in.
The Democrats are not wrong about something.
They are undocumented.
We have no documentation whatsoever.
Therefore, there is a great mystery around their status.
So if someone has been here 16 years or someone has been here for six months, how do you define this?
The 1986 amnesty was like this.
3 million people got it, way more than were expected.
People were still claiming that amnesty within the past decade.
So the 886 amnesty lasted many more years.
You can still claim it, by the way, as long as you argue you did agricultural labor in 1985.
So basically, you're expanding a window that as long as you're willing to lie, you can get some form of amnesty.
Now, here's the key, though.
Here's the kicker.
That's important.
But the more important one that will end this proposal and it should make it DOA.
So therefore, since we do not know when illegals came in, if ICE, for example, has their hands on a MS-13 gang member who has not necessarily committed crimes, but he needs to go, all that MS-13 gang member needs to do is say, nope, you can't deport me.
I've been here for 10 years.
And that person then gets put into a three to five year court process.
This would effectively end all deportations immediately in our country.
All of them.
What I'm saying, though, is that it sounds good.
Illegals that have been here for 10 years, no crimes, pathway to legal residency.
Every single illegal, every bad ombre would say, well, I've been here for 10 years.
And they might be lying, but what they're doing is more intentional, is that they're going to delay the process and short-circuit all deportations in real time.
This basically, another way of thinking about this is they would use the asylum scam model where our asylum system is a total scam.
So they know that if you go to the southern border and say the magic words, hocus pocus, you're able to then, Abracadabra, you're able to stay in the country.
So, what this proposal, and again, it's not an official proposal, it's still in the ether, but we need to kill it now, early.
What it would be able to do is that every illegal would in real time, as soon as an ICE officer comes up to them, the ICE officer would not be able to lay hands on them.
They'd say, nope, I've been here for 10 years.
I've been here for 10 years.
Sorry.
And the ICE officer could say, no, no, nope.
I have to have a court date.
And that court date would be five to seven years, three to five to seven years.
It would stop all deportations in real time.
So if you think about it, it's so smart from the open borders lobby.
So I want you to think about it as an open borders zealot.
So an open border zealot, they want every single one of these people to stay.
They want the great replacement.
They know that Trump has momentum on mass deportations.
They know that people voted for it.
And they know that all of a sudden that we have the one big beautiful bill.
So if you were an open border zealot, how do you then keep these tens of millions of people in the country?
How do you keep these tens of millions of people in the country?
You keep them by having just a rhetorical and a linguistic tool, basically a way that stops all deportation in real time.
You would end all deportations with this.
And so then what the open borders designer and architect would do is to have this ridiculous loophole, the same way our asylum system has allowed millions of people to the country that should not be there, and we can't deport them.
And they do it on the good intentions of MAGA.
The good intentions that a lot of common sense people, they say, you know, you've been here for 17 years.
So it's using our good heart against us.
And isn't this the pattern of how they have changed America by mass migration?
We have big hearts.
We're compassionate.
So they would weaponize the compassion.
And you would then have 20 million people.
Every time someone would try to be deported, they'd say, all they would have to do is be instructed and say, I've been here for more than a decade.
And even if you know they are lying, it would take five years to adjudicate that lie.
Therefore, short-circuiting our entire mass deportation agenda.
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Now, Senator, I promise you that I will not mention what happened on Sunday night.
It was a glorious night in many different ways, but I know you were watching too.
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Senator, great to see you.
A lot happening here.
You chimed in yesterday, and you agreed what we said about no amnesty.
I got a call from another U.S. Senator saying, Charlie, there are some discussions about this.
Again, informal still, kind of rumor mill.
What are you hearing?
What is the kind of chatter in the U.S. Senate?
So what's interesting is I got back to Missouri after the big, beautiful bill.
And so I've kind of tried to unplug a little bit.
So I'm flying literally after the show, I'm catching a flight.
And so I'm going to check into this.
I would just be shocked, honestly.
There's just no way you can go from campaigning.
One of the two big issues, and you did too, a lot of time.
I spent a lot of time with him on the campaign trail.
I mean, he talked about obviously inflation and then migration.
And you meet mass migration with mass deportations.
And the big, beautiful bill front loads now money to finish the wall, build detention beds, have a lot more ICE agents to go do this thing.
I just don't, I can't believe that we would consider mass amnesty at this point.
So I'm going to check into it.
I'm glad you sort of raised the alarm bell on this.
But as I tweeted out on the meme, my offer is this, nothing.
There's just no way we can go down this road right now.
It's not going to happen.
Period.
End of story.
And that's why we have to try to pre-bunk this and we need to try and flush it out early because it would be a red line coalition killer.
And it's coming out of nowhere.
I totally agree.
Again, I don't do this lightly, but we had Byron Donald.
No, I trust you on it.
Yeah, if that's what you're hearing, there's something to it.
We just got to make sure that we nip it in the bud.
So the Big Beautiful bill passed.
It's a phenomenal and significant achievement.
And now we are seeing ambushes of ICE agents across the country.
I want to play some of this here.
We have not covered this nearly as much as we should, but let's go to this one here.
This is 308.
Fox reports that 10 suspects have been arrested and charged with attempted murder after a violent attack on ICE and Border Patrol agents.
Play cut 308, please.
As we told you earlier, a police officer was shot in the neck.
So here are the 10 suspects.
They are all charged with attempted murder.
And of course, it's just one of several recent attacks on ICE and Border Patrol agents and facilities.
And Senator Mark Wayne Mullen spoke to us about it last hour.
Watch.
It's not surprising.
When you have the Democrats that are out there constantly vitalizing the ICE agents, actually leading the charge towards obstruction and getting in their way and not treating them with respect as true law enforcement, this is going to continue to happen.
And the Democrats should be held responsible that have been vitalizing the ICE agents for the last, what, three months, four months?
Senator, what's going on here?
Yeah, I think this is, sadly, this is a natural progression, Charlie, from this issue was squarely in front of the voters in November.
They voted for President Trump for deportations.
This issue has been in front of the courts now, and Trump, by and large, is winning these court battles to move forward with deportations.
And so now the radical left is moving to the next tactic, which is violence.
And you've got Democrat senators, you've got other folks who are encouraging this kind of really dangerous sort of resistance movement.
These are law enforcement officers that risk their lives to uphold the laws of the United States of America.
And the fact is, the American people want deportations, even, I mean, every last one of them, every last illegal immigrant that's here, that's what people, if you look at the polling, Charlie, that's what people are supportive of.
Completely.
And so these ICE agents are just doing their jobs.
And you've got this report in Axios that some Democrat sources now are saying their base wants to confront this with more, you know, sort of vigor and maybe somebody needs to be shot kind of thing.
And this is just from the Axios piece.
It's crazy.
It's totally crazy.
And what's amazing too is this level of intensity you don't see for American citizens.
It's sort of like with Ukraine, a lot of those on the left, they're way more interested in defending the borders of some other country than they are of our own.
It's really strange.
It's part Trump derangement syndrome.
It's part kind of, I think, this globalist mentality that everybody deserves to be here.
And America is no different than any other place.
And we should just let everybody in and have access to communities and taxpayer-funded services.
It's ridiculous.
So I think this is our time to prove that we are truly a sovereign country, that we're not going to be intimidated, that we put this money up.
We're going to hire more people.
We're going to deport more people.
And there's nothing the left can do to stop it.
They lost an election over it.
They're losing a court over it.
The people are with us.
And every Democrat should be condemning the kind of violence that we're seeing with these assaults that we saw, these ambushes.
And sadly, I hope that we've seen the last of it, but given the rhetoric, I'm not so sure we have.
I want to reinforce what you're saying here, which is the American people overwhelmingly support mass deportation of all illegal immigrants.
And this is what's very important, is that the American ruling class, they are physically and culturally disconnected from the consequences of mass migration.
But the middle class, they have to go see emergency rooms overrun.
They see their public schools overrun.
They see their infrastructure overrun.
They also just see a changing body politic.
This is 250.
It's a very powerful clip from CNN.
Play Cut 250.
Deported all immigrants who are here illegally, 55% of the New York Times.
Marquette, 64%.
CBS News, 57%.
ABC News with a slightly different question, 56%.
So what you're seeing essentially here is very clear indication that a majority of Americans, in fact, when they're asked this blunt question, which I believe gets at the underlying feelings, do in fact want to deport all immigrants who are here illegally.
There's no arguing with these different numbers because they're all essentially the same across four different pollsters.
Senator, four different pollsters, and that is after all the media's attacks on ICE and their slandering of everything happening.
Your reaction, Senator?
Yeah, I think we're playing offense now.
We've got the high ground on this, and we can't lose the moment.
This is a sort of a cultural issue now.
People are connecting the dots, Charlie.
Sort of what happened in this sort of post-Cold War mentality, this globalist vision of what could be, is that these NGOs were funded.
They fuel censorship in Europe.
They fuel mass migration into this country.
And you had good jobs that were shipped overseas to cheaper labor.
And so you have Americans who were left behind and all that.
And then you have the importation then of mass migration of low-wage workers to take the jobs that were left.
And people now see it.
They reject it.
They don't want that to be America moving forward.
And that's part of the reason why people support this.
They also feel like Americans have big hearts and are of goodwill, but they also believe that a country is defined by its borders.
And I think what you saw in the last administration were a bunch of left-wing radicals that were writing white papers suddenly were in charge and had access in the Oval Office.
And they couldn't believe their luck and the power that they had.
And they literally just threw open the border.
So you got 15 to 20 million people in short order coming to communities.
Again, to your point, taxpayer-funded resources, school districts, hospitals.
And so when we talk about the big beautiful bill in Medicaid, the Democrats wanted to act like all these and their media allies, all these people are going to lose coverage.
Literally, the only people who are going to lose Medicaid coverage are illegal immigrants and abled-bodied adults with no kids who choose not to work.
That's it.
That's the truth.
And so when people are waiting for, when individuals with disabilities or pregnant moms or poor kids can't get a doctor's appointment, you know exactly why they can't is because the social state here run by the Democrats have extended this to people who don't deserve to get those benefits.
And that's part of the battle that's raging on.
But I do think we're winning the argument and we got to continue to press forward.
And I think the next step now that we've secured the border effectively is to remove the people who are Here illegally.
You start with the worst of the worst, but you can't stop there because people are tired of it.
They're tired of being taken advantage of.
What do we need to do?
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Yeah, we have to change the way we view communist China.
This isn't some trading partner that we want to have, you know, get cheap goods from.
This is the 21st century, Charlie, will be defined by who wins this great powers competition, United States of America or Communist China.
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Senator, keep up the great work.
Thank you so much.
And Safe Journeys to DC.
And you just got to tell your colleagues, no amnesty.
And by the way, also, none of this like, oh, illegals have been here for 10 years.
And I just want to just get your ear on this really quick.
We don't know how many illegals there are.
We don't know how long they've been here.
And therefore, if that's the new criteria, all someone would have to do that even though they're here for six months is say they're here for 10 years.
And it would literally short circuit all deportations.
Think about the asylum scam on steroids.
So even if someone says, well, it's not citizenship, it's a loophole that would be able to stop the entire deportation agenda.
So just kind of catching up.
Yeah, Charlie, one other thing, one thing that we should do.
We have an expedited removal process in statute, but that's only for two years.
And so I've actually got legislation to expand that beyond the two years.
So you can actually deport, you can move for deportations quicker.
So don't just limit it to two years, include a larger category of people and go beyond two years because, quite frankly, what Biden did at the beginning of his term, which was criminal, is now four or five years ago.
So we should expand that as well.
Totally agree.
Senator, thank you.
And be our voice fighting up against amnesty.
And I have to do a better job of saying your title.
Senator Eric Schmidt from Missouri because we're on radio, 250 radio stations across the country.
Senator, thank you so much.
All right, brother.
Thanks, Charlie.
Keep up the great work.
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So yesterday, President Donald Trump had a dinner with Bibi Netanyahu and was asked about more arms to Ukraine.
He broke some news saying that he was going to supply more armaments to the Ukrainian cause.
So President Donald Trump basically said, we are going to send more arms to Ukraine and that he's not happy with Vladimir Putin.
Now, you have to wonder, President Trump is very frustrated with Putin.
I personally, I mean, this is my own kind of through line and continuity.
Obviously, I support the president 100%.
He knows stuff that I don't know.
I don't love the idea of sending arms to Ukraine.
That's just the difference of opinion.
You know, people can disagree.
Maybe it's a time to regain leverage against Putin.
I can understand that in the art of the deal.
So I can understand that to a certain extent.
But further funding a kinetic conflict against Russia and the Russian Federation is not our fight, not our conflict.
And honestly, we have to be consistent.
We were against it with Biden.
Why would we be for it now?
Unless it gets us to a peace settlement.
Let's go to 322, please.
Are you planning to send more weapons to Ukraine?
We're going to send some more weapons.
They have to be able to defend themselves.
They're getting hit very hard now.
They're getting hit very hard.
We're going to have to send more weapons.
You're defensive weapons, primarily, but they're getting hit very, very hard.
So many people are dying in that mess.
So let me tell you probably Putin's calculation here.
And this would be the defense of President Trump, even though I'm not thrilled about it.
I think that it's time to cut off the funding of this war and make these sides fight for themselves.
I've said that the entire time, and I'm going to be consistent on that.
But if I were to defend President Trump, because I think he's, I mean, first of all, he's usually right on this stuff on foreign policy.
What President Donald Trump is saying here is basically Putin smells weakness, and if there is no sign of strength from the West behind Ukraine, Putin will just continue to march forward.
Now, it's a very interesting thing.
I was sitting with a senior official from the State Department this last weekend, and I was picking his brain.
I said, isn't Russia suffering major losses?
He said, oh yeah, Russia is suffering huge casualties, massive.
So I asked the question, I said, well, then why isn't Putin feeling any domestic political pressure to end the war?
And he said, that's a great question.
So basically, and I was educated on this this last weekend, is that Putin, very smart, very sinister, has divided Russia into effectively two countries.
There is Moscow and St. Petersburg, which is the wealthier parts, the very wealthy industrial parts of Russia.
And then there's the rest of Russia, basically all rural Russia, which is very, very poor, basically second or third world poor.
So, what Putin has done is when he does conscriptions, he hasn't actually done a draft actually since the breakout of the war.
Instead, what he does, because a draft would be very politically unpopular, what he does is he goes to the rural areas and he offers a ridiculously high signing bonus, more than what anyone would make in a year in these very poor areas.
So these young men sign up for this signing bonus, and the cannon fodder basically comes from places like Chechnya and Dagestan in the Muslim regions.
And Putin has not touched like a single person, a single young man from Moscow or St. Petersburg.
Because if he were to start to try to do a draft in Moscow and St. Petersburg, he would have a major political problem on his hands.
If all of a sudden that the more wealthy, educated, like the teachers and the professors and the engineers in Moscow and St. Petersburg, if their sons were going to go die, this war would be over very quickly.
The children of people who could not bring down his government are the ones that are getting torched.
And that was a real aha moment for me because, look, Russia historically does well with a war of attrition, but Moscow is a first world city.
It's a very wealthy city.
It's not, again, Russia is not necessarily wealthy like America, but understand, this is kind of like a Russian version of the fortunate sun.
And that is why Putin is able to continue.
The fact that he's losing thousands of people of a week, he is staying away from the quote-unquote sons of the Russian ruling class.
And he has bought at a very, like, let's just say, would say high price, the lives of cannon fodder from the rural areas.
