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June 18, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Iran Regime Change Bait-And-Switch
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Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
Is the U.S. going to strike Iran?
President Trump says he doesn't know yet.
We talk about how we on this program have pushed back successfully against the regime change chattering class.
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So we were told all along by U.S. lawmakers that we need to take out the Iranian nuclear program, and you can make a good argument for that.
You can make an argument that Israel has wanted to do that for quite some time.
It's becoming more and more clear to the surface that Israel will not be able to finish the fight unless American B-52 bunker-busting bombs will get involved.
Okay, you can hold that position, and you can hope for the best.
You can hope that there is a strike, and we get in and we get out, For 30,000, 40,000 pound bomb, 30,000 pound bomb, and it works perfectly, and hopefully no U.S. troops die in response.
I can understand that argument.
I really can.
President Trump has been consistent for over a decade, saying that Iran will not get a nuclear bomb.
Iran will not get a nuclear bomb.
President Trump has said that for 10 years.
However, if you watch carefully and closely They've shifted gears from Iran should not have a nuclear weapon to Iran should not have an Ayatollah.
And they've tried to ever so suddenly shift the Overton window as if we weren't paying attention.
So wait a second, hold on.
First it was that Israel is going to take out the nuclear weapon.
And then it was, well, America is going to help Israel take out the nuclear weapon.
Still the same theme, but a shift, but still the same theme.
One that is defensible, if done correctly and prudently.
I have some caution towards that intervention, but I can get it.
I can get behind that if President Trump executes in a way that only he can.
But hold on a second.
They're trying to pull a switcheroo.
Yesterday afternoon, The neocons that have been wrong about every major foreign policy decision of the last 20 years.
They were wrong about Afghanistan.
They were wrong about Iraq.
They were wrong about Libya.
They were wrong about Syria.
They were wrong about the Arab Spring.
The entire Middle East is filled.
It is at capacity with their failures.
You cannot point to a random Middle East country.
Without seeing somewhere that John Bolton, Lindsey Graham, and the entire gang of ferocious neoconservatives have messed up.
So, we've been told it's all about nuclear weapons, but it seems as if there's a more aggressive push to get rid of the Ayatollah.
Now, to be clear, of course we on this program want to see the people of Persia.
Resume self-determination.
The Persian people are wonderful.
They're the highest IQ people on the planet, are right near it.
They're incredibly industrious.
The Persians that I know across Chicago, where I grew up, or in Phoenix, are amazing.
In Scottsdale, they literally have a restaurant called The Persian Room.
I get it.
But this is a completely different thing.
If the people of Persia want to take back their government organically, authentically, From the ground up, we will be cheering them on.
Of course we will.
But Western forced central planning regime change is if we are just going to take out the Ayatollah.
Oh, really?
What comes next?
What comes after regime change?
Might be, oh, well, we need a small number of U.S. troops to support the new regime.
And then, well, the new regime needs our financial support, then okay, then we need a We have seen this play before.
Or, regime change, you have no idea how this is going to work out.
You have no idea.
The best case scenario is like probably 5,000 U.S. troops and $100 billion.
The probably most probable scenario is a bloody civil war that results in a couple hundred thousand people dead, all these different ethnic groups fighting.
Iran is a country of 92 million people.
Let me repeat.
Iran is a country of 92 million people.
It's two and a half times the size of Texas.
We've been reporting this on our program the last couple of days.
It is a beast of a country.
Not to mention it could trigger another refugee crisis coming to the West.
And so Lindsey Graham, listen very carefully.
We went from take out the nuclear program.
To regime change in just a couple of days.
This is why our program is succeeding right now.
Because we are taking a non-ideological, patriotic America-first approach right now, where other people are over the place.
No intervention under any circumstances.
Okay, I can hear that.
I can sympathize with that.
But 86% of Americans don't want Iran to have a nuclear bomb.
Or you have the people that redesigned the entire Middle East in their image.
Meanwhile, our country is collapsing.
Let's play first 342.
This is Lindsey Graham.
He lives for this, by the way.
Lindsey Graham's identity, his reason for being, his excitement, his thrill, is to try and execute regime change in Iran.
Play cut 342.
I hope it's eliminated.
I would like to see this regime fall, but I'm going to leave it up to the president as to what to do and when to do it.
But I do know this.
If we don't take out their nuclear program now, we'll all regret it.
We're very close.
Be all in, Mr. President, in helping Israel finish the job, and let's see where we're at after we neutralize their nuclear program.
Now he continues on Cut 343, which is the real incriminating one.
I would like to see this regime fall.
He says that, but he continues.
Play cut 343.
Here's what I can say.
Taking the Ayatollah's regime down is a good thing, not a bad thing.
And I'm willing to risk what happens next because I know what's going to happen if they stay in power.
They're going to keep trying to destroy Israel.
They're going to keep formating terrorism.
they're going to try to build a bomb and they will use it until they're gone.
Their goal is a religious goal to destroy the Jews, to destroy Sunni Islam, to destroy us.
These are fanatical religious Nazis.
I'm willing to risk them leaving.
I think it will only get better That is such an immature, shallow, sloppy, irresponsible, insane, frenetic approach from a U.S. lawmaker.
Oh, I know what happens when they remain.
Actually, you don't know that, Lindsey Graham.
The first rule of foreign policy is you must enter things with humility.
That is the first rule.
You don't know how things are going to work out, actually.
You could predict them.
You could have probability.
You could look to history.
But you don't know with certainty.
and that kind of arrogance and that kind of pride is exactly why we got into the quagmire of Iraq and Afghanistan and why Libya is still in a civil war and why 600 No, you don't know, actually.
In fact, it could be a catastrophe.
And I'm going to build out more why we must together resist regime change.
It's not about taking out the nuclear program.
That's a separate topic.
You could support that.
That is defensible.
It is indefensible after everything we've seen the last 25 years to start beating the drums for regime change at yet another Middle Eastern country.
This one being the biggest of all we have dared to get involved in.
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Oh, now to my favorite U.S. Senator.
James Lankford almost threw the 2024 election.
By the way, in other news, if we were not on the verge of a potential regime change war with Iran, we'd be covering the phenomenal news.
Do you know that back in May of last year, over 64,000 people crossed the southern border into the interior of the United States?
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That should be the number one news story in the country.
And thank you, President Trump.
Thank you, President Trump, for getting that done.
And congratulations.
But James Lankford, remember, he was doing a deal with Joe Biden.
James Lankford was the Republican Senate appointed liaison to work with Joe Biden.
Now, I don't want to spend too much time for James Lankford.
He's not up for an election for a while, but it is instructive just because of how wrong he was on the border.
But here's James Lankford who wanted to do a deal with Joe Biden on the border, and praise God we killed that bill.
Because now look at the border.
Zero people and we have mass deportations.
That was one of the greatest legislative derailments in modern history.
It was one of the greatest mobilizations of you in this audience that got on their phones, got emailing, got in the grassroots, and boom, killed it.
But now James Lankford is back.
Look at that, 62,000 to zero.
James Lankford said, oh, no, no, no, we need to bring it to 5,000 a day.
Remember that?
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Not calling for the welfare of the people of Oklahoma, saying that Oklahoma has a fentanyl problem or that we need to improve schools or that we need to try to have lower taxes or less regulation.
No, no, no.
James Lankford from Oklahoma, he's talking indistinguishably from a member of the Israeli Knesset.
And I'm not, look, I'm just saying right now, by the way, If you're from Israel, you might want regime change.
That's a completely different calculus.
I get it, actually.
But we have American priorities and American money and American funding, and when you are an American U.S. senator, your calculus should be completely different.
What is good for America?
What has America done the last 25 years?
You have to look at it from the prism of your country and your country first.
James Lankford, he says it even more explicitly.
Playcut 331.
Do you think the United States should assassinate the supreme leader if they can?
The assassination of any individual, any foreign dignitary or leader on this.
But we most certainly need to have regime change in Iran.
This is the same regime that's threatened America and Americans.
This is the same regime that oppresses their own people, that they use the money that they get from oil, money to be able to put towards terrorism, to be able to kill us and our allies.
They chant death to America in the streets.
We definitely need a new regime there.
I mean, it's really hard for me to put into words how insane this person is, how reckless and irresponsible it is.
It's hard to even grasp how a U.S. senator says, oh yeah, we need to assassinate the leader.
Oh really, James Lankford, I would like you to go on a CODEL and tell me how Libya is going.
How's Libya?
How are the seas of Tripoli?
Tell me.
Is Libya just chummy and wonderful?
How's Benghazi Libya doing today?
Would you like to go on a vacation there?
Or how about Afghanistan?
We did regime change in Afghanistan only to have the Taliban take over again.
How did regime change in Iraq go?
We got ISIS.
And he's like, oh yeah, we just have to get rid of them because they repress their own people.
Yeah, okay, smart aleck.
I could pick 50 other countries that repress their own people.
That is not criteria for American Western involvement to get rid of.
Who's in charge of the country?
Oh yeah, I mean, they're really oppressive.
Yeah, okay.
No one here on this program likes Vladimir Putin.
We also think that you must be delusional and insane and unspeakably reckless to say we should get rid of Vladimir Putin.
The guy that controls the most time zones and the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet probably has that country under control and we shouldn't just take him out for no good reason.
Oh yeah, just take him out because he's bad.
While we're at it, let's just assassinate Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin and the Ayatollah.
Oh, you know, well, they've chanted death to America.
Right, we got that part.
Again, regime change is an outgrowth of a prideful, cloistered, sheltered view, acting as if you know certainly what is going to come next.
Again, it's a country of 92 million people.
A fact that I hope is repeated a lot.
92 million people.
What's going to happen when the country's in turmoil?
What's going to happen to the 2,000 ballistic missiles?
That'll be fun.
Will all of them be launched at U.S. troops?
How many U.S. troops are you comfortable dying, James Lankford?
We have 40,000 troops within missile range of Iran.
All of a sudden, the Ayatollah goes out and some religious fanatic just starts launching ballistic missiles at U.S. troops.
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Joining us now is SuperSmartGuy, one of my favorite guests to help analyze all of this.
Breitbart News Editor-in-Chief Alex Marlow and host of the Alex Marlow Show.
Alex, great to see you, my friend.
Alex, it's one thing to say that you want limited, precise, and direct strikes against the Iranian nuclear program.
It is an entirely different category leap to all of a sudden say that you want America to get involved in the assassination of the Ayatollah and the forcible takedown of regime.
Alex Marlow.
Charlie, it's so exasperating for anyone who doesn't want President Trump to be entirely isolationist, just for the sake of variety, which is where I find myself.
I don't think we should be telling the entire world we're not going to do anything, that we're going to be entirely predictable, that we're just going to stay out of everything internationally.
I don't think that puts America in the strongest position.
And then to watch some of these guys, Senator Lankford, Senator Graham, start talking about regime change.
We're not talking about regime change.
We are talking about a decade and a half of Donald Trump keeping his promises.
He tweeted in 2011, Charlie, Iran's quest for nuclear weapons is a major threat to our nation's national security.
I know you've been having that debate.
You've been doing an amazing job navigating that.
That's what we're talking about.
We're talking about nuclear Iran.
We're not talking about deposing anyone.
We're talking about regime change.
Who are these guys?
These guys want a regime change everywhere on Earth just for the sake of doing it.
It is mind-boggling.
Yeah, and just so, I want to make sure everyone understands just a quick Middle East history over the last 20 years.
I mean, just so that we're keeping score, the pushback that we put on social media, and Alex, I was very aggressive against regime change yesterday.
By the way, if you want to take off the Iranian nuclear program with American missiles and American fighter jets, I can hear that argument, actually.
Of course.
I'm not going to be overly ideological.
I have some caution.
Towards that, I think that we need to be prudent and prayerful and humble.
But using the B-2 bomber or bunker busters towards that, under President Trump's discretion and leadership, yeah, fine.
But now all of a sudden we are at a completely different level.
We were told that it's all about nuclear weapons, nuclear weapons, and Nikki Haley this morning tweeted this.
This is very important.
Nikki Haley came out.
This is how you know that we are starting to push back successfully.
Nikki Haley says, where is the Nikki Haley one?
We have it somewhere.
She says that we should not get involved in regime change in Iran, but instead take out the Iranian nuclear program.
I agree with Nikki Haley.
Now, I think Nikki Haley is saying that because the online momentum changed.
Did you see that, Alex?
It changed yesterday.
It changed largely because regime change got introduced into the conversation.
Alex Marlow.
Yeah, this is the whole point, Troy, that you've been trying to navigate this from a really intelligent and important perspective.
There are a couple of things that are no-fly zones, figuratively speaking, on either side.
One thing that is not good is that Donald Trump has given his word that the Iranians cannot continue to try to enrich beyond the civilian level, and they continue to do so by every reportable measure.
That is not good.
That puts the president in a tough spot.
He has also said that they cannot continue to fund these terror proxies.
They continue to do that.
So President Trump's word makes a difference around the world, and President Trump knows this.
That's why he wants to do something.
Maybe it's defensive.
Maybe it's just intimidation.
Maybe it's brokering in peace.
But he doesn't want to sit on his hands and do nothing.
We know that because he left the G7.
Not to mention, good for him for getting out of Canada earlier.
That was a good call.
But on the extreme perspective, on the other side, they're seeing, in the Republican establishment, the exact people that the MAGA movement displaced, the types of people that I worked hard against over 10 years ago with Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller and all these people, Andrew Breitbart,
at the ground floor of this overthrow of the Republican establishment, talking about the exact type of stuff that we oppose, which was regime change in the Middle East, having no idea what was going to happen next, other than that Americans were going to spend a lot of blood and treasure, and America's defense sector was going to be rich.
We're not talking about that anymore.
That's a total on-starter.
And I think it cheapens the good work that President Trump is trying to do in the region.
Yes, and so the base is now declaratively saying no regime change, no regime change.
Now, this is what Nikki Haley said, quote, the U.S. should not engage in regime change in Iran.
Our focus should only be on our national security.
The Iranian regime has threatened the U.S. with nuclear production for years.
We should support Israel in eliminating not not taunts and fordose sites to prevent the threat of atomic bomb against the U.S. The Iranian people should decide who they want.
I agree with actually 90% of that.
I think, again, it's not her call of whether or not we should eliminate the nuclear program in those two cities.
That's for President Trump to make.
I think that we need to also differentiate for everyone keeping score online where they say, oh my goodness, Donald Trump started a new war.
It is very conceivable that if he bombs those two cities, that is not a new war.
Now, Iran could retaliate and then what happens after that, but I trust President Trump 100% in this moment.
He's a man made for this moment.
Understand, he's been through all of this.
He took out Soleimani.
He took out ISIS.
He is able to navigate this.
Alex Marlowe.
Yeah, yeah, you're right on this.
And Trump is the man for the moment.
Thank God, literally thank God that he's the one in charge because he's the only one who's going to be able to, I think, balance all the various factions here.
And it's an incredibly nuanced debate.
And I don't think anyone on either side should be talking to us in childish ways because this is not an easy one.
This is one where there are many different gradations of what the appropriate response could be.
And I'm up for hearing that debate out, which some people are trying to have.
Iran has believed in death to America.
I think the people of Iran deserve better than the current regime.
That said, when America has tried to do regime change in recent years in the Middle East, all it has done is enriched America's defense sector and destabilized the region and not done anything to help.
That is a huge – So now we're talking about regime chains off the table.
So what are the nuances of what we can do in between?
Of course, standing up to Iran if they're taking proactive attacks on America or allies in the region is something where we're going to provide defense capabilities.
No-brainer.
Do we want to leave on the table?
Perhaps we could do something to take out, for example, that Fordow nuclear facility, which should not be operational.
Everyone agrees it should not be operational.
And it is only operational because we have not chosen to destroy it.
I want to hear that debate And I don't know.
I'm not saying we need to do anything right now, Charlie, but what I am saying is let's not take that off the table.
Let's not broadcast to the bad guys that we're willing to let them get away with anything.
But overall, I feel like people are starting to find an equilibrium.
The J.D. Vance tweet yesterday was perfect.
That was almost my exact position on the issue.
I'm sure you've covered it on the show to this point.
But it feels like sanity is winning out at this time.
But we have to be very vigilant on this because there's a lot of deeply interested parties on all sides here who are trying to prove some sort of a longstanding beef and trying to settle it their way.
This is a very nuanced moment.
What do you make of the politics of this?
There certainly is a lot of chatter online.
It's superficially dividing some people into their corners.
But I think if President Trump navigates this with prudence, I don't think this is a permanent fracture.
I think all of this can be remedied and healed, especially if we don't have U.S. troops on the ground and we don't get into a prolonged conflict.
I think it's very conceivable that by July 4th, people are saying, what, Iran?
Like, what were we involved in?
At least that's what the goal should be, in my estimation.
At the risk of making your show boring, because Agreement Radio isn't always the best, I completely agree.
I don't want any boots on the ground.
That's a no-go.
I don't want regime change.
That's a no-go.
But other than that, it does feel like we're starting as a movement.
For the most part, to understand that so long as American boots aren't on the ground, then this is one where even if you don't get exactly what you want, you, the person in the MAGA base, that we can have faith in President Trump, that he can not only act judiciously and act with prudence here, but then also reassemble his coalition by the time we ever go to vote again.
So I'll tell you one other thing that's interesting here, Charlie, is that we're debating the big, beautiful bill here.
And as some of these guys, you know, Rand Paul, um, I'm hoping the bill gets through.
Tweaks, sure, but I like the bill.
He was saying that Lindsey Graham is using it as a vehicle to secretly explode the military budget.
That's why these statements by Graham are so destructive.
It could divide the coalition, potentially, if those guys get too big of a voice within this debate.
But Trump is going to settle this, and I think we're going to end up in a good spot, and I do not believe that the movement is going to get too fractured.
I think people are highly emotional online in some cases, trying to get their point across.
But I'm optimistic even those people will eventually come back to the rest.
Yeah, and I hope that's right.
And so, I mean, look, it's very conceivable thanks to President Trump.
President Trump is a unique, unique political force where he's capable of just dropping a bomb and saying, OK, we're done.
He did it with Soleimani.
And remember the restraint.
Remember, back in 2019, this is very important.
Iran shot down a drone.
And Lindsey Graham and warmongers around President Trump wanted him to kill 140 Iranians in response to shooting down a drone.
And President Trump famously was like, no, that's not fair.
That's not equal.
And he was done.
And he was like, no, not doing that.
We're moving on.
It was not proportional.
Remember the Syria strikes?
People wanted him to do way more.
They wanted him to do full regime change of Bashar al-Assad.
But he did limited ministerial strikes and no more.
And he did that twice.
Same with the Houthis.
He does have a pattern of using violent proportional force and then getting out, disconnecting, de-escalating.
Soleimani, Moab.
So I do think that people need to look at this in historical Trump terms.
And not everything is a land invasion of Iraq.
We should be very worried about that.
But ISIS was quick as well when you allowed the military to do their job.
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And so, Alex, I agree on the Israel-Iran news that President Trump can navigate this correctly.
The neocons like Lindsey Graham and James Lankford must be dismissed.
Let's just talk about American politics right now.
Domestic, because I actually prefer to talk about the domestic over the foreign and the immediate over the distant.
Charlie, I don't want to cut you, but this is what Steve and Tucker were talking about, about how some of the Israel stuff, it does make you think that someone's trying to distract us from domestic stuff, like that Trump's doing all the ice raids and all the stuff we're talking about.
You've got to wonder.
I mean, we have big, beautiful bill.
Alex, the one thing I do want to comment on and just brag on this administration, because Breitbart has done the best coverage, period.
And Malusian with Fox News has also done great coverage.
I've got to give Breitbart really phenomenal cred here on the border.
For years, you guys have been covering the border.
Show that graphic up again, guys.
We went from 62,000 people crossing the southern border to zero in the month of May.
Alex, that is a...
Your thoughts?
Yeah, I said this at 100 days.
If Trump did nothing else other than play golf after the border numbers, he's still an A-plus president based off of this stat.
And you were kind enough to have me on last week, and we talked about Los Angeles and how important the ICE raids are and how it's just such a culture shock in L.A. that is so overdue that we're doing these things because we had just normalized.
He's brought something.
He's questioning things that we've just accepted in this country that are utterly insane.
Why we should have the dumbest border policy on planet Earth, which we had until about five months ago.
And he just said, well, we're just not going to do that anymore.
And no one was bold enough to do it.
I mean, people are shocked.
They have no idea what's going on.
But what he's done, and a lot of it, is with these high-profile raids, going after all sorts of different types of people in different ways.
The shock and awe approach.
It is sent a signal to the rest of the world, to the cartels, to the people in the Northern Triangle countries, to anyone who might facilitate illegal aliens to cross into this country that America is closed.
We are no longer doing it.
That's why I love all of Kristi Noem with her great hairstyle.
I like Tom Homan with his out-of-central casting attitude towards the border.
Stephen Miller, every Stephen Miller meme is productive.
All of that sends a signal to people that America is not tolerating this.
We've got to get my favorite Stephen.
Where's the Stephen Miller Home Depot meme?
Do we have that one?
It's one of my favorites, where Stephen Miller says, Hola, amigos!
And he's wearing the orange Home Depot overdressing.
Charlie, there's so much truth to it.
Yeah, Stephen and I grew up in the same area at the same time.
You're just not.
He's been called everything already, and we have seen the absolute rot that illegal immigration does to a society firsthand in L.A. and California.
And we're not afraid to talk about it.
We know all the issues backwards and front, him in particular.
And so he doesn't care.
We're doing the deportations.
It's what we're doing.
We're going to get as many as we possibly can in, and we're going to broadcast that to the entire world and all the outrage from the left.
That helps us because it reminds people of how intense the Trump border policy is.
It's an AA++ issue, and you're right.
He needs all the shout-outs in the world for it.
Yes, and so we were told, though, by James Lankford that we needed a bipartisan bill, a bipartisan bill to get this done.
It turns out all we needed was a new president, and to have zero, Alex, I mean, that is an extraordinary thing.
Crazy, crazy cool.
It's just amazing.
It's because they're not trying anymore, and that's the issue.
And that's the main thing that we realize is that if we just discourage people, if we end the industry, if we're saying that you will not make money as a human smuggler, as a cartel member, for trying to get people in here because they're just going to get turned away, that's why Remain in Mexico is so popular.
That's why cracking down on visa overstays is so important.
And sure, the wall, I want the wall.
I want the big, beautiful wall, big, beautiful door.
I want more on that.
But it's really sending the signal that you are not going to get in, and if you do get in, you're not going to be able to work.
And once that signal is sent, the entire industry collapses.
They learn to do something else.
The cartels will lean into other things.
Not good things, of course, but they're not going to help the smugglers the way they have.
They're not going to run the smugglers the way they have for my career until the last five months.
Alex, great work.
Check out Breitbart News, Breitbart.com, Alex Marlowe Show.
Alex, thank you so much.
Thanks as always, Charlie.
And also a million self-deportations.
If that ratio holds with Eisenhower head, we're going to have a lot of deportations.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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