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The Bill May Be Big and Beautiful, But Is It Passable?
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Hey, everybody.
Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, the right-wing revolution continues, as we predicted last summer.
We talk about triple-trending counties, and then also Senator Mike Lee talks about the big, beautiful bill and why he is a no.
And then finally, my grudge against Jake Tapper continues.
That's right.
I'm not getting over it.
We go back in the Wayback Machine that not even a year ago, Jake Tapper smeared me.
We talk about that and more.
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Here we go.
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Here in the imperial capital of Washington, D.C. Now, I asked my team when we were landing in D.C., which one do I disdain more, Washington, D.C. or London?
And London won, just for the record.
So I'm actually happier to be in Washington, D.C. than in London, because at least in this town, we have President Donald Trump in office.
We have Kash Patel.
We have Dan Bongino.
We have Pam Bondi.
We have Bobby Kennedy.
But boy, this place is not my favorite.
I will say this, though.
I will definitely take Spanish over the Arabic outside stores.
I will say that.
I would much rather have a nice little bodega of some guy from Nicaragua that at least believes in Jesus and doesn't want to conquer the entire Western world than what I saw.
Take it.
It's not ideal, but I'll definitely take it.
The city definitely does feel different than from Biden's term.
The city finally has life.
A lot of people are back in town and things are happening and there's a hustle and there's a bustle.
The biggest change, honestly, is not even that political.
It's that under Biden, the city couldn't shake that ridiculous, like, long COVID, depressing, wearing masks all the time thing.
I mean, I remember visiting D.C. like late summer 2023.
It was the only visit that I had while Biden was president of D.C. I literally avoided D.C. for four years for except for one day.
And everyone was still wearing masks and everyone was still walking around with masks.
I said, what is going on here?
So there's definitely a more hopeful vibe in D.C., but I could tell you we're going to get into some very promising news here from The New York Times.
It is so hard to realign a government back to constitutional purposes.
This place wears you down.
This place grinds you down to a halt.
The permanent machine bureaucracy exists to extinguish the will of a well-meaning Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
The bureaucracy intentionally Plays things slow.
It intentionally will obfuscate.
It will delay.
It will shrug its shoulders.
It will say it has to go to a certain committee.
It is a war of attrition.
You see, the permanent deep state bureaucracy, they say, oh, really, you guys want to doge us?
You want to cut our spending?
We will outlast you.
We're going to be here despite when there's elections.
And that actually was...
And that is one of the questions that is in front of us.
And this is exactly why I want to get into this idea of triple trending counties.
It's a theme that we talk about a lot here on this program.
Because what we're seeing unfold in Washington, D.C., and I was meeting with some White House staff last night, and they are working so hard, and they deserve such credit.
Because the energy alone, just to get basic stuff done, it will take your entire afternoon to just get a very simple thing done, where in the private sector at Turning Point USA, I say it, and it gets done.
I want to have an event on this day.
Yes, Charlie, we'll do that.
Thank you.
We want to have this speaker.
Yes, we will do that.
Thank you.
Where in this White House, because of the deep state government, it's like, I want to go to Saudi Arabia.
Well, you might have to do this, this, this.
And only because of President Trump's brute force is he able to be this productive.
Remember, it was Joe Biden staffers that came out, and they said, I wish we worked for a White House when Joe Biden was president that was as agile, that was as problem-solving, as entrepreneurial as President Trump.
Will elections continue to matter?
Or will elections be ceremonial, no different than putting in the King of England as someone who's there to greet Super Bowl champions, cut ribbons, fly around the country, and be nothing more than a glorified spokesperson for the country?
Are we looking at a similar presidency that is a presidency in name only, no different than the monarchy in the United Kingdom?
The New York Times did an amazing story this last weekend, and I've got to be honest.
Every so often, the New York Times just crushes it with their data analysis.
You've got to call strikes.
The New York Times, which, by the way, is like the least radical of all the rags.
The Washington Post is gone.
I mean, there's so many of these that are just gone.
The New York Times every so often has a little glimmer of hope that they still are holding on to wanting to be a respectable newspaper.
And Andrew will tell you, we deal with reporters in every single major outlet.
At least the New York Times will allow us to talk to them.
Some of these major outlets, they won't even take your phone call.
Anyway, so what the New York Times did is they did a story of how all the counties, basically, how many counties have been moving right in America in the last three presidential elections.
And that was so interesting about what the New York Times did.
The New York Times did is they analyzed the 2016, the 2020, and the 2024 electoral map.
Because that is now three election cycles over the course of a decade of whether or not this is a permanent right-wing shift in our country.
And the visuals are very powerful.
We can put them up on screen.
They are dramatic.
And they coined a term, and I like it, and I want to emphasize it.
Let's get the actual national map up on screen.
So what you're seeing here is the percentage with a college degree by county that shifted right.
If you're on podcasting or radio, we're going to put this up on screen.
But the big one is 220.
Let's put 220 up on screen.
I want to get this framed in our office, because that just goes to show the behemoth of the work that we accomplished at Turning Point Action alongside, obviously, President Trump and the entire team, and the social media juggernaut.
The entire country moved to the right.
It's not just one localized area.
Now, there were some places in America that moved to the left.
The suburbs of Atlanta, big problems, everybody, huge.
In fact, the suburbs of Atlanta, The suburbs of Denver, Santa Fe, New Mexico, a couple places in Oklahoma, a couple places in central Indiana.
So we have a Georgia problem.
We're going to diagnose that.
We're going to do an entire show on that in a different time.
Dallas a little bit, but nothing too noteworthy.
But again, let's go back to the red map.
These are the counties that, just to be clear, let's go back.
These are the counties that moved right in all three elections that Trump ran in.
Almost 50 million people live in these counties.
So this is not just some sample size.
And these are counties that were otherwise blue strongholds.
As you can see in Florida, every single county moves dramatically to the right.
So basically what the New York Times put together is something called triple trending counties.
These are counties that trended to the right in all three elections that were previously controlled by Democrats.
The first of which is something, a county called Clinton County, New York.
The historical trend was that it was traditionally a Democrat-leaning county.
Clinton County, New York is a great example of how the Republican Party has remade the electorate and remade the political map.
In recent elections, in 2008, Barack Obama won it.
By 22 points.
In 2020, Joe Biden won it by 5.2 points, but in 2024, Donald Trump flipped the county, winning by two points.
Another good one to look at is Suffolk County, considered a swing county with fluctuating support between both parties.
In 2020, Donald Trump won it by 232 votes, but in 2024, Donald Trump secured 54% of the vote, the highest percentage since 1988.
That is Suffolk County, New York.
And then, of course, there's the wow counties, which we've done a lot of work in Wisconsin, Waukesha, Ozaukee, and Washington.
In 2020, Donald Trump received 60% of the vote in these counties, and he did even better in 2024.
These are triple-trending counties, which shows that the entire country, absent a couple little pockets, is moving to the right.
Why is this?
We're going to explore that and explain it.
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What we're doing on campus is so critical.
We are breaking the cycle.
Billions and billions of views online.
And this map, again, show the national map, demonstrates it.
This is over three election cycles.
This is not just some sort of isolated incident.
The entire Midwest, the entire center part of the country, I will say, I wish California performed better there.
I really do.
And Arizona is not...
But it really goes to show that in the central and eastern time zone, there is a consistency that has moved dramatically in our direction.
The map is no accident.
But the more interesting part of this is who is moving to the right.
These triple trending counties show us that it is the working class.
President Trump has made gains in six times as many counties as Democrats in his three runs for the presidency.
And his gains have come predominantly with working-class voters earning less than $100,000 a year.
The erosion of working-class support among black, white, and Latino voters alike is the number one political story of this generation.
And here's the key.
There's a lot more of them than there are elitist academics and overly educated.
Beyond their intelligence types.
If you work with your hands, if you shower before and after work, you've been on the losing end of globalization, of wokeness and offshore.
Democrats are only making gains with one group of people.
Highly educated, rich people.
Those with luxury beliefs and abstractions.
You can see the income graph.
It is chilling.
Democrats keep on gaining with the group.
The wealthier you are, the more likely you are to be in the Democrat Party.
If you drive a forklift, you're more likely to be in our category.
Now, interestingly, there was a story this morning from Axios that I want to highlight, which is going to be a major story, and it's worth emphasizing.
It ties all of this together, which is a top artificial intelligence CEO foresees a white-collar bloodbath.
Now, interestingly, We are not yet going to see the blue-collar bloodbath.
Robotics is coming, but it's not yet there.
It's still a slow mover.
The humanoid robots still struggle to do the very basic human tasks and be able to do them at scale.
For decades, and this is the irony, elites were very smug about their own economic security compared to blue-collar people.
They used to say, learn to code, you carpenter.
Learn to code.
It doesn't matter that we shipped your factory job overseas to Wuhan, China.
I got this fancy degree.
I deserve this.
You see, according to this story, it's pretty amazing.
Looking around the corner, Anthropic CEO Dario A. Modi Who's building the technology says AI could wipe out half of all of the entry-level white-collar jobs.
I wonder who's been predicting this on a college campus, telling all these kids they're being scammed.
You notice it gets very quiet when I'm on a college campus and I say this.
I say, you guys realize that your entry-level jobs are not going to be here in five years.
Deep down, they know.
They know they have been totally scammed.
AI could wipe out half of all those jobs.
Unemployment could spike to 10% to 20% in the next one to five years.
Possible.
Possible mass elimination of jobs across technology, finance, law, consulting, and other white-collar professions, especially entry-level gigs.
And this is not something that necessarily should be celebrated.
But now a lot of degree holders are in grave danger.
The same degree holders that are voting for the Democrat Party, thinking the Democrat Party is going to protect them.
We figured out how to replace a software engineer.
Or a PR rep faster than we figured out how to replace a carpenter.
It's funny how that works, isn't it?
Going into 2028, it is conceivable that these little suburban enclaves of mid-level managers that are completely useless and irrelevant very well might be replaced.
I don't yet think the C-suite is going to be replaced for any time soon.
You still need human beings making decisions.
But what you are going to see is one of the most dramatic job displacements, and it's going to be a top issue in the 28-28 campaign.
I agree with Steve Bannon.
Steve Bannon says, quote, I don't think anyone is taking into consideration how administrative, managerial, and tech jobs for people under 30, entry-level jobs, are so important in your 20s, are going to be eviscerated.
This is my message when I go to these campuses.
is I said, you guys are getting a woman's studies degree.
You guys are just getting a And what is the Democrat Party doing to actually protect you and defend you?
Nothing.
So as the Republican Party is becoming a working class party, it's actually a constituency that might still be working.
And if you're a mid-level manager, you might be employed sometime soon.
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Joining us right now is Senator Mike Lee.
Senator, thank you for taking the time.
I want to just get your take on this and we can go from here.
Your answer.
In the Big Beautiful Bill's current composition, as it is in its current form, would you currently vote for it?
At the moment, no.
In fact, there's no chance it could pass the Senate right now.
But, you know, we do have two legislative chambers.
It's passed the House, coming over to the Senate.
The Big Beautiful Bill is big.
It isn't yet as beautiful as it needs to be, but there's still time to fix it.
And the Senate version is going to be more aggressive.
It can, and I think it has to be.
Or else it's not going to pass.
Now look, the Republicans in the House gave us some good wins.
This bill extends the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act to make sure that we don't end up with a $4 trillion tax bomb going off, exploding in front of the American people.
It helps revitalize the military.
It funds the completion of the southern border wall.
It helps fund the crackdown on illegal immigration.
Those are all great things.
We've got to deliver more than that though.
We've increased spending.
But like 58% just over the last five years, just since the pandemic.
So we've got to address the spending crisis to a greater degree than this bill does.
Under this bill, under the CBO projections, we're still looking at, you know, $2.2 trillion a year on average in deficits over the next 10 years.
That's not good enough.
We've got to get to a point where we can balance it during this president's time in office.
Okay, so let's kind of isolate this for a second here, Senator.
Who is within your coalition that is currently opposing it because of your concerns over spending?
What senators are in agreement with you?
I'm making a point not to speak for my colleagues, but I will point out that there are at least a few who have said in its current form it can't pass.
We can get there, but it can't pass right now because it doesn't do enough to control spending.
I know I've made those points.
Rick Scott from Florida has made those points.
Ron Johnson from Wisconsin has as well.
Rand Paul has those and other additional concerns with the bill.
And I know there are others who have yet to speak as much about it publicly, but who share them.
So what then would be enough for you to come to a place?
For a yes vote, where do we need to fix it?
And how does that work since the House has already passed the bill?
What is the process then to actually get these cuts to be made permanent?
All right, let's deal with the latter part of the question first.
We've got these two legislative chambers.
It's passed the House.
It moves over to the Senate now.
We bring it up.
We will undoubtedly insert a lot of amendments into it in what's called a substitute amendment.
There's been a rapid fire process on the Senate floor at the end of the process called Budget Voterama, where any senator can bring up any amendment they want.
We vote on them over and over and over again, often in rapid formation.
And then whenever we're finished with it, we send it back to the House.
And hopefully at that point, they're willing to pass it.
There's no way of telling exactly what it will look like.
But as far as the first part of your question, what it takes to get me there.
We just have to have a reasonable path to get back to pre-pandemic spending levels, somewhere at least in range.
For fiscal year 2026, we ought to have a path to get to $6.5 trillion a year in total federal spending.
Now, if we can get there and then hold that for a couple or three years, we'll be getting to the place where we can balance.
You can't do all of this through a reconciliation bill because it doesn't deal with every category of spending.
But it does deal with a lot, and it deals with a lot of the spending that has resulted from increases just since the COVID pandemic.
That's where I'm looking to get.
There are a million different formulations of how that can take place, but it's got to be part of a plan.
If this fits into a plan that is serious, that can get us to bounce within a few years, I can get there.
And I know most or all of my colleagues can as well.
So let's kind of...
Where would you say on the Medicaid-Medicare, I don't think anyone's going to want to talk about anything with Medicare.
On Medicaid, that's kind of the big thing in front of us.
What could potentially be done there, and is there enough appetite amongst more moderate of your colleagues, moderate colleagues, to then go along with your demands?
How are we going to bring the coalition together to make sure this bill actually passes?
Well, I think we can get there on the Medicaid front.
I've proposed legislation called the America First Act, some of which was incorporated into the House version.
But they left a lot of our illegal alien population eligible to participate in Medicaid for reasons I don't understand, but there's still that.
We could achieve additional savings there.
When we look at things like the so-called state Medicaid provider loophole.
You've got states that are manipulating provisions of the Affordable Care Act, you know, Obamacare, in order to skim federal funds off the top of Medicaid, all in the name of a Medicaid provider tax.
Congress needs to close that loophole because that's encouraging states to take more and more federal money, federal money that through the expanded Medicaid program is paid for 9 to 1 by the U.S. government.
We also need to look at the SALT deduction.
The income tax deduction that's just a huge taxpayer subsidy from all other Americans over to blue state billionaires designed to bail out blue state governors.
This is a problem.
I mean, so rather than subsidizing $350 billion for states with high tax rates, we ought to pass a big, beautiful bill that fully terminates.
The Green News scam gets rid of every one of these Green News scam subsidies, where we're subsidizing non-baseload sources of power that are unreliable.
Let's talk about the doge cuts being certified.
There is some news being codified.
Elon Musk is coming out saying that he wants to see the doge cuts codified.
Is there appetite for that, and what would that look like in practice?
Okay, first of all, a lot of the doge cuts, not all of them certainly, but a lot of them occur on what we call the discretionary side of spending.
And discretionary spending isn't addressed to a reconciliation bill.
So most of those would need to occur outside the reconciliation bill, but some of them could be passed into law with only 51 votes in the Senate.
Especially through what's known as a rescissions package.
Under the Budget Act, the White House, the President, is allowed to propose to Congress that they rescind certain discretionary funds.
And a lot of that is where the doge cuts would come through.
They can send that over.
Once the White House has sent it over, they can be considered for an expedited up or down vote in both houses, including a simple majority vote in the Senate.
So, not everything through doge.
Could be done through reconciliation, but I think when most people talk about the doge cuts, most Americans probably are not contemplating that distinction between discretionary and non-discretionary, but they do want to see aggressive action.
That's what they're calling for here.
So, in closing here, Senator, what would you say is your optimistic take on a timeline to bring all the parties together so that we can have, in your take, even more spending cuts on this bill?
I suspect it'll take place over the next four weeks.
During the month of June, you're going to see aggressive action within the Senate.
I think you'll see a finished product coming out of the Senate, most likely by the end of June.
And then what happens from there will be up to the House of Representatives.
But I think it'll be that much closer to passing into law.
And I look forward to being part of that effort and look forward to getting this thing passed.
Not one person wants to see these Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions last, resulting in this $4 trillion tax bomb exploding.
And I intend to be part of the solution and get this thing done.
So, and finally, Senator, let's just talk about for a minute here, what are some of the positives of the bill that you want to make sure the audience is aware of that is not getting enough attention?
Border security, no tax on tips, please, Senator.
Yeah.
So, border security is a big deal.
We've got to make sure that we have the tools to deal with that.
We've had more illegal immigration than we've ever seen over the last four years.
It's just an absolute uncontrolled chaos, which was sadly part of a design of the president's auto pen administration.
We have also got the, We've got no tax on tips.
That's a very good, very popular provision.
And we do bring about a lot of the reforms that I mentioned through provisions of my America First Act that were adopted by the House that get rid of a lot of the federal benefits from going to illegal aliens.
And so those are all good things.
We're going to build on those.
We're going to make things better in the Senate, and we'll get this thing passed.
Very good.
Senator, keep fighting hard.
We'll be watching closely.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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So there's a lot of attention right now around Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson's new book.
By the way, we should invite Jake Tapper on the show.
I should text him.
Jake Tapper smeared me as an anti-Semite during the Republican National Convention when I was speaking.
That one I'm not going to forget about.
Sometimes people say stuff I kind of do.
Of all the smears that you can throw at me to call me an anti-Semite during one of the biggest moments of my career, which was a keynote speech at the RNC, I'm sorry.
I have words for that.
You are far from a journalist, Jake Tapper.
I don't care about all these overtures.
Let's be honest.
If Kamala Harris would have won the presidency, would this book be coming out?
It's the only question that matters.
The only question that matters is would this book be published if Kamala Harris would have won?
So, Jake, you're welcome on our program anytime.
And I expect an apology if you were to come on the show.
Laura Trump got an apology.
It's tough to get right now.
For later in the week, can we get Jake Tapper?
He was on this ridiculous panel of people on CNN.
CNN decided not to take my speech.
They were mocking me while I was giving my speech.
Oh, can't the RNC do better than this?
Charlie Kirk.
And it was all plotted.
The New York Times wrote an article hours before the CNN, let's just say, Drive-by.
In the great words of Rush Limbaugh, it was a drive-by.
The drive-by media.
Ambush.
So I go on stage.
Meanwhile, the New York Times, which Andrew spent a whole day arguing at that report of the New York Times, Jonathan Weissman calls me an anti-Semite, saying Charlie Kirk's, what was the title?
Like, disturbing anti-Semitic.
Again, of all the criticisms you could throw towards me, I am writing a book.
Why you should honor the Shabbat.
My number one criticism when I go from people on the right is that I'm too pro-Israel or whatever.
Like, it's just kind of a nauseating thing.
Charlie Kirk, long accused of anti-Semitism, is set for a primetime speech.
Oh, thanks, Jonathan Weissman.
I'm sorry.
One of the reasons why people are falling out of favor of the pro-Israel Like, movement is because of crap like this.
I'll be very honest.
It's, like, beyond demoralizing.
It's like, okay, so I defend Israel on campus every single day, that the New York Times call me an anti-Semite, and then you have Jake Tapper peddle that garbage on CNN during a primetime audience for nine minutes straight while I am giving my, one of the biggest speeches in my career.
Charlie Kirk, long accused of anti-Semitism, is set for a primetime speech.
Long accused.
And then Jake Tapper peddled it.
And people don't understand, though.
They rattle off these 500-word pieces, like 10 a day during the RNC, and they do it to undermine the speakers so that the low-IQ, clamoring host have something to talk about.
Here we go.
This is 291.
Well done, Ryan.
This is Jake Tapper calling me an anti-Semite during the RNC speech.
I'll never forget this.
Play cut 291.
Charlie Kirk is speaking right now.
He's the head of a right-wing student group called Turning Points.
This is the second speaker this evening who has said things that are blatantly anti-Semitic.
It's anti-Semitism, and it's more broadly just he swims in oceans of conspiracy.
I'm sorry, Jake.
I'm not going to all of a sudden platform your book, which you would not have published if Kamala Harris was president.
You're a bad person, and the entire movement doesn't deserve an apology.
You should just resign.
You're a joke.
You're the scum of the earth.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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