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April 30, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Can Islam and America Coexist? + Remembering David Horowitz
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Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
Is Islam compatible with America and Western values?
We tell you about an epic city, and it's not so epic.
It is a Muslim-only city being planned in Texas, 402 acres, and it will take your breath away.
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We want to lead with a story that has been bubbling up for quite some time, and it's happening in the great state of Texas.
It's a little bit of a third-rail topic.
Some people would say it's politically incorrect.
You're not allowed to talk about it.
You're not allowed to dive into why this is happening.
That sounds like a perfect story for The Charlie Kirk Show.
When I first read it, I'll be honest, I didn't believe it.
I said, ah, this sounds like it's being exaggerated.
Some people are trying to get clicks.
But the more I studied it and the more I researched it, The more real it is.
Now, the story actually harmonizes with the tragic news of the death of my friend David Horowitz.
And David Horowitz passed away yesterday.
A legend who warned his entire career that if you keep on importing Muslims and Mohammedans, they're going to try and create their own communities that are not welcome with Western values.
They are going to try to implement Sharia, and that Western civilization is incompatible with Islam.
That was his main contention, and we'll play some pieces of tape from David Horowitz later in the show.
He is a legend of a man, truly.
So what's going on in Texas, of all places?
Mind you, this is not New York, this is not California, this is Texas.
And as you know, Texas Republicans are rather weak at times.
They don't really know how to fight.
Well, Muslims...
In Texas are looking to build their own epic city.
Literally, it's called Epic City.
The East Plano Islamic Center, deep in the heart of Texas.
It's in the northeast suburbs of Dallas.
The plan right now is for these Mohammedans to build a 402-acre community in the Dallas suburbs.
For reference, that's about four times the size of Disneyland.
It would have over 1,000 homes, a K-12 school.
A college, retail stores, and of course, a mosque.
Now let me pause here.
When's the last time Christians decided to do this?
Christians should build communities like this.
I look at the master plan here and I say, despite the fact that their worldview is toxic and that they want to destroy the West, you've got to give them respect.
It's well designed.
It's well configured.
They're here to spread their value system to the West.
And we're like, oh, well, you know.
Religious freedom.
Really?
Do the founding fathers have in mind Mohammedans coming to the great state of Texas or one of our states to build an exclusive city for Muslims?
The idea is that this would all be on private property, so it could exist as a dedicated Islamic area.
Developers claim the area will be open to all, which of course is rubbish, though we know and we get the feeling anybody moving in would find themselves not very welcome.
America has freedom of religion, of course.
But we should be frank.
Large, dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.
We've seen how this unfolds in Europe.
There are massive, huge no-go zones in major European cities in Britain and in France.
And in Sweden.
Those are real.
You're not allowed to talk about them, but they are real.
The police stay out of things.
In no-go zones, Islamic values reign supreme.
Blasphemy laws, for example.
If you dare question the Prophet Muhammad.
They will come after you.
Free speech is not an Islamic value.
Free expression is not an Islamic value.
It's actually the exact opposite.
Submission is an Islamic value.
That's literally what Islam means.
Islam has conquest values.
They seek to take over land and territory.
And Europe is now a conquered continent.
It is not what it used to be.
It's a husk of its former self, which is increasingly Mohammedan.
So what are core Islamic values?
Again, look at what happens when you run under Sharia law.
And remember, under Islam, it is a requirement that believers try to get their societies to run on Sharia law.
There are other takeaways here.
The fact that this is even a possibility shows how our leaders, including Republicans in Texas, have for decades facilitated the great replacement of Americans with foreigners.
Who hold dramatically and drastically different values.
If your enemies are dumb enough to let you in, then you go in and you gradually build your numbers until you dominate them.
Why are we putting up with this?
Do we really need an extra half a million people coming in to build their own Islamic city?
One of which, the architect behind it said, I'm going to read the quote here, that this is going to be...
A Muslim-only space.
Then he had to backpedal that a little bit.
Now, this is getting a lot of attention.
Now, we were fed the line about America saying, well, they're going to assimilate.
Instead, they're building Islamic cities.
And I say this as somebody who actually, my primary care doctor is Muslim.
I know plenty of good Muslims.
We're not talking about individual Muslims that are good people.
Instead, I'm talking about institutional Islam.
Of course there are good individual Muslims.
We all know them.
They can be sweet.
They can be charitable.
They can be honoring.
I trust him so much with my own personal health.
And Dr. Zutty Jasser has assimilated, in fact, so much so he speaks out against stuff like this.
He's trying to lead a reformation within Islam.
And good luck with that, as I always tell him.
I hope you are successful.
It's very rare.
He has very different values from a lot of Muslims, Dr. Zutty Jasser.
In fact, we're going to have him on the program.
Again, soon to talk about this.
And he speaks out against Hamas.
He speaks against Iran.
He is a model of what I hope more American Muslims would be.
We are not seeing that in the West, though.
He is a rarity.
He is an exception.
Instead, we see the further radicalization of Muslims that come to the West.
They don't assimilate.
Has Ilan Omar assimilated to America?
No.
Ilan Omar has instead tried to infect the United States of America with her radical anti-American Mohammedism.
Amongst her extreme leftist beliefs.
Let's go to cut 348.
This is Governor Greg Abbott.
This is the all-Muslim city in Texas being built with no building permits.
And we're just saying, well, we can't stop it because religious freedom.
It's a bunch of rubbish.
This is a conquering ideology to take over the West, whether by sword or whether by development.
And yes, Muslims have a lot of babies.
And their clever tactic is to continue slowly envelop the West.
Play cut 348.
There appear to be multiple violations that have taken place here.
One is information has been provided to investors that appears to be misleading.
Another is they appear to be in violation of fair housing laws.
Also, we found that, you know, they talk about doing all this building, but...
They don't have any building permits to actually do any building, and they have challenges even getting those building permits.
Believe this or not, we've even received information that they may have been conducting a funeral home without legal authority.
Bottom line, Laura, is that there are so many questions arose, especially information that we received, that led us to need to call the elite Texas Rangers to conduct a criminal investigation to find out if...
Criminal laws in Texas have been violated.
That's a pretty good answer by Governor Abbott, but of course he's not getting down to the core of it.
I get it.
He's the governor of a big state.
He's got to be political.
I actually think he's doing a pretty good job on this, to his credit.
But I can say stuff that he can't say.
I'm not the governor of a big state.
And so let me just tell you plainly what he might be thinking.
This is outrageous.
Go assimilate.
Go buy homes in Plano.
Don't go build your own private development of Muslim-only communities with a mosque as the center.
Sure.
The details here are remarkable.
In their own words, their own words, they said, and by the way, there's a whole funding model.
There's a recreational center.
There's a senior center.
This is a Muslim-only community.
And I'm going to read this here.
Yazir Qadi has emphasized...
That this will be a Muslim neighborhood.
But now he had to backpedal and say, oh, it's going to be well integrated.
Oh, really?
Well integrated.
What example do you have of that?
Why don't you go build this in Riyadh?
Go build this in Lebanon, not in Plano.
Go make the Middle East great again.
Oh, because you want, as like a parasitic force, to take over the West.
Got it.
How's that working for Europe?
I sure hope Texas has the stones to stop it.
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I really want Dr. Zutty Jasser back on the show in person at some point.
We should probably do that as a long-form interview.
I think it would perform very well as a Muslim who speaks out against this stuff.
But let me also just give you some plain commentary.
I'm by no means an expert in Sharia law.
I think we're all about to become one.
We're all about to become one, because it's coming.
Just understand the core elements of Islam, from sodomizing women, from female genital mutilation, to one that is just so important.
Our birthright as Americans, how many times have we said this on the program, is freedom of speech?
They don't believe that.
There is no reconciling that.
Period.
That should be a deal stopper.
We're not going to let you into America if you don't believe in freedom of expression.
Probably a good idea.
But instead, we are importing hundreds of thousands of these people who believe that under Islam, this is not heretical, if you blaspheme against the Prophet Muhammad, you should be killed.
That's nice.
So if you say, for example, that Prophet Muhammad was with, was it her name, Aisha, at the age of nine?
No, no, no.
Off with your head.
Islamic law also teaches you that if you leave Islam, you should be killed.
Well, that makes for a great society.
And the weak, gutless wonders...
Of many people in Texas, the Texas House passed a resolution recognizing the Sharia law Islamic month of Ramadan and Eid al-Fitr, whatever that is.
They recently created Pakistan Day and a Sharia law city, as we know, is being built.
Christians should speak out more against this, but to be perfectly honest, where are the American Jews also speaking out against this?
As much as Muslims don't care for the West and care for Christians, they really don't like Jews.
And you would think that the Jewish leadership of America would say, you know, this is a problem.
Basically, I guess it's on us, Western Christians, to fight it.
It's fine.
We're used to it.
There's so many pieces of tape here that I could play about this.
And just so we are clear, this is not just a popular view.
It is written in Islamic texts.
And it is believed by the rank and file.
One by one.
Let's play a piece of tape here.
This is very vulgar, but this is a conversation that was happening about Islam in Europe.
It's very vulgar.
A Muslim man explains how Muslim men see the women of the West.
And so, essentially, this is how, just as your trigger warning, it's very vulgar between a guy by the name of Ahmed Khan and Halal Hogan.
Talking about how Muslims view the women of the West.
Let's play 361.
Do you hear it?
The Muslim mindset?
I'm going to have sex with these Swedish girls because the Muslim mindset, they're garbage only for sex, but I'm going to marry a Muslim woman, right?
Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
I love you, man.
I'm proud of you, but I want the Christian women to hear what you said.
The Muslim mindset.
We go to the West.
The Western women, they're all garbage.
They're whores.
We sleep with them, dump them, and we marry Muslim women.
Yep, yep.
Oh, it's in Texas.
And here is the Texas State House just groveling to the rise of Muhammadism in Texas.
Could you imagine, like Stephen F. Austin and the founders of Texas, how they would react to this?
The intrepid entrepreneurs that started.
The state of Texas when no one else could figure it out.
Play cut 357.
The clerk will read the resolutions.
H.R. 34 by Leilani.
Holy month of Ramadan.
H.R. 36 by Leilani.
Eid al-Fitr 2025.
H.R. 38 by Leilani.
Mother's Day.
H.R. 39 by Leilani.
So there they are reading out the recognized holy days of Texas.
This is in Texas, everybody.
This is not Illinois.
This is not Michigan.
There's a very thin line between religious tolerance and cultural suicide.
We will cease to exist as a country and as a civilization if this continues.
So what is the solution?
The first solution should be, obviously, Epic City should not be built.
Number two, stop importing people from these countries.
Cut it off.
It's done.
Over.
Because Islam, as I've said many times, We'll take out the knife and with the slow-motion slitting of the throat of the West, will we let them?
We lost a legend yesterday, David Horowitz.
David Horowitz was a mentor and a friend of mine, one of the original people who really believed in the vision of Turning Point USA.
He would have these things called the David Horowitz Restoration Weekends.
They would almost always be the second week of November.
They'd be every year, but they would be most famous for being restoration after an election.
So after a midterm election or a presidential election, they'd either be a time to be amongst friends if we didn't like the result or a time to also celebrate if we loved the result.
David Horowitz is a titan.
He was a former communist.
He wrote prolifically.
He was an incredible mind.
Being a former communist, he understood what motivated the left.
We hit it off.
I would go to the restoration weekend, and he would introduce me to donors that I had no business knowing.
You see, he kind of had this confab of all these donors, and as I look around the Turning Point USA complex, that building, that building, that building, all named of people that donated to us that I met at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
Our biggest donors to this day are people I met at David Horowitz's donor retreat, and he never cared an inch that I was there trying to meet.
Donors.
He said, Charlie's doing good work.
The more, the merrier.
You know how rare that is?
Do you know how rare that is to actually go to an event where they're not trying to block you and say, these are our donors and my donors.
And I try to do the best I can.
Okay, if people want to show up to Turning Point, you'll say, I just kind of shrug my shoulders.
I learned that from David.
No territorialism.
No gatekeeping.
Instead, David would say, Charlie's doing something great for kids.
Let's do something for him.
We get attacked so much by people that are so protective of their donors.
And he was genuine, and he was grassrootsy.
And David, to his credit, I remember sitting down with him back in 2014, and we were only two years in Turning Point USA, and I cast the whole vision.
And he said, Charlie, you've got to be aggressive on these campuses.
Make the liberals come to the mic.
Make the communists expose who they are.
And put it on the internet.
Of course, he was one of many people that inspired me to have that hyper-aggressive tact to go right into the belly of the beast.
And I want to play one of his pieces of tape here.
This is David Horowitz doing what I now do way before me.
This was back in 2010.
I was still in high school.
He would go to these college campuses and he would do an open mic.
And man, did he understand the left because he was raised as a communist.
Let's play right now.
Cut 340.
Will you condemn Hamas here and now?
I'm sorry, what?
Will you condemn Hamas?
Would I condemn Hamas?
As a terrorist organization, genocide organization.
Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?
So you won't.
I actually have had this experience many times.
You didn't read the pamphlet, because the pamphlet is chapter and verse.
The main connection is that the MSA is part of the...
Muslim Brotherhood Network.
I meant, if I say something, I'm sure that I will be arrested for reasons of Homeland Security.
So if you could please just answer my question.
If you condemn Hamas, Homeland Security will arrest you.
If I support Hamas, because your question forces me to condemn Hamas.
If I support Hamas, I look really bad.
If you don't condemn Hamas, obviously you support it.
I'm a Jew.
The head of Hezbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn't have to...
Hunt us down globally.
For it or against it?
For it.
And that sends chills down your spine.
Boy, does that not complete what we've been talking about this entire episode about the rise of Islam in Texas.
And he had a way to provoke it and to flush it out.
I encourage you guys to check out David Horowitz's books.
He just wrote one right before his death that was incredibly powerful.
He had this book called The Black Book.
I want to get the exact title.
He had a great book called Radical Son, A Generational Odyssey.
And my goodness, that's right, the black book of the American left is one of the greatest books to understand the left.
He also wrote a book called Hating Whitey all the way back in 1999.
He was out of the curve on all this stuff.
We're going to keep on honoring David Horowitz with Mike Cernovich at the top of the next hour because honestly he deserves it.
And I can say this, I do not know that Turning Point USA would exist in its current form and impact.
If it wasn't for David Horowitz.
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As we've been remembering David Horowitz,
this program, I want to try to get a guest who really respected and understood the profound impact that David Horowitz had on the conservative movement.
You see, David was a former communist, was a fighter, oh, a street fighter.
He loved to fight, and he was good at it.
But he was really on the cutting edge.
I put him in a group of people, small group of people, that predated my involvement in the national conservative movement.
I was involved in local politics.
A small group of people.
It would be Andrew Breitbart.
It would be David Horowitz.
Bannon would definitely be on that list.
Rush Limbaugh.
That kind of held up the conservative movement in that 08, 09, 2010, 2011 bracket where things seemed really dark.
Obama looked ascendant, the country looked like it was going left, and Horowitz was one of the few people to hold the line.
Joining us now is Mike Cernovich, great friend, author, filmmaker, and really understands this, and that's why I wanted to have him.
Mike, thanks for taking the time.
It's too bad.
It's tragic that we lost David.
What is your thoughts on this whole thing?
Yeah, I mean, losing David hurt.
And then, of course, Dennis Prager.
We've all been praying for his recovery.
You know, that hurt.
And what I respected about David Horowitz, and you touched on it too, but what David did even more than I think Andrew Breitbart or Rush Limbaugh is, most people...
Assume that people got into MAGA for the money.
But I remember when, you know, you at the RNC in 2016, I remember early MAGA.
I was buying a lot of dinners.
Yes, sir.
It was completely under-resourced.
There was no resourcing at all.
Nothing.
Nothing.
Nothing, yeah.
And David Horowitz was an exception where it's not – he wasn't even a billionaire.
Imagine if he had been a billionaire of the good that he would have done.
But even with what he did is he would resource a lot of – Young conservatives, give them stuff to do, help people out here and there.
He had his Freedom Fellowship and he would promote people.
And that's something that in 2025, people take it for granted.
But there was no, if you were a young conservative, you couldn't really become politically active.
And that is why the right wing was losing the culture.
There's all these purists who say, oh, how dare people make money doing this?
And it's like, great, okay, then you're 22, 23, you're a conservative.
What are you going to do with all that energy?
Well, you're not going to do politics.
You're not going to do media.
You're going to have to go do something else with your life.
And then people go, why?
And then those same people go, why do we lose the youth?
Gosh.
Wow.
What a mystery, right?
So Horowitz, he understood a lot.
He went through a lot of the early cancel culture stuff because he was a little bit older.
I feel like fell under the radar.
MasterCard deplatformed him.
That's right.
Remember Patreon?
That's right.
I forgot about that.
You're right.
You're exactly right.
Yeah.
So he was patient zero for the deplatforming.
He had Jihad Watch.
That was always getting attacked.
The SPLC smeared him.
And he withstood a lot of devastating hits, and he was always building people up.
And then what also, you know, he understood, and I don't know why people don't understand this now.
But he understood that if other causes are near and dear to your heart, the best thing that you can do is help young conservatives because then when you want to talk to them about a cause that's near and dear to your heart, they're willing to listen.
It doesn't mean that they're going to agree with you, but they're going to be willing to listen.
So he wasn't a finger-wagging moralist, I think, in a way a lot of other people are these days.
We can go through the list of people that got their start.
David Horowitz Freedom Center retreats.
I'm one of them.
Stephen Miller.
Stephen Miller was an upstart, kind of anti-immigration speaker, and David Horowitz was his mentor.
And he's just one of many people.
And can you talk, Mike, he understood the left in a time where a lot of Vichy French, Mitt Romney, Koch brother mentality was dominating the GOP.
Meaning that in 2012, 2013, 2014, when I was first getting my start, it was all like, look, Charlie, it's a battle of ideas.
And if we win the debate, we'll win the country and decency will prevail.
And David would always say, that's a bunch of crap.
He said, these people want us dead.
They want us in prison.
They want the country burned.
And we must fight them.
And all they understand is power.
Can you comment on how...
He was so insistent on the tactics to fight the left because he was a former communist himself.
Right.
That was interesting you bring it to the Koch brothers because that was, again, a lot of people take this for granted because the Koch brothers were anti-MAGA.
They funded all these libertarian things and everything before Horowitz was not about culture.
It wasn't about the spiritual dimension.
Everything was really just commerce.
Bingo.
25, if you're new to politics, you don't understand that the GOP worshipped at the altar of money.
That's right, and David never cared about that.
He was like, I'm talking about Islam, I'll talk about the trans stuff.
He talked about race before anybody else.
Yeah, Jihad Watch got him in all kinds of trouble.
Robert Spencer, even though Robert and I get into it now and then, they understood these cultural issues.
But the GOP people take it for granted, and this is something we have to fight against even to this day, is primarily was the party of Moloch about money.
Oh, we need unlimited free markets.
We need open borders.
And who cares if your spiritual life suffers?
And who cares if you have to move away from your family to get a job?
We're just all economic widgets.
And that was the prevailing orthodoxy that Horowitz was fighting against.
And that's what Trump was fighting against.
I mean, and recently...
I enjoy making fun of Canadians, mainly because I'm tired of certain high-profile Canadians coming to my country and then telling me that we need to tone it down.
It's like, well, you just left Canada, though.
So maybe go back to Canada and fight for Canada.
But if we're being unironic or we're just being serious for a moment, had we not had people like Horowitz and Andrew Breitbart, had we not had Trump in 2015, 2016, How would we have Mark Carney as president right now?
That's right.
This is the most profound point, Mike.
It's probably five people that kept us from a liberal takeover of the country.
It was Trump, which, by the way, Trump is the inheritor of a lot of Horowitz philosophy.
You know Trump loved David Horowitz.
In fact, I put them on the phone together once because he was like, oh, I love David.
He's so good for me.
And it was one of David's...
Favorite moments of his life to be able to talk to the president on the phone.
But Rush Limbaugh, Bannon, Breitbart.
And I love what you talk about too.
Can you comment on this?
About two minute remaining.
It was so ragtag.
It was this like insurgency guerrilla army.
This was before Turning Point had anything, right?
You and I were out in the streets just kind of arguing.
This is before all the trappings and before MAGA was a thing.
And David was the backbone of so much of that.
Yeah, David gave people inspiration.
He gave people enough where you could kind of, like, figure it out, right?
The big thing lacking right now in...
The conservative world is a lot of these young people, nobody's trying to get rich.
Just help them out a little bit.
Buy a few dinners, do a few events, buy a few plane tickets.
But yeah, people don't get it.
I found that old video of Charlie Kirk in 2016.
I lost all my periscopes.
It was a catastrophe for journalism.
But for whatever reason, I had one.
And I posted it.
It's just Charlie Kirk on a megaphone.
So in 2025, people think, oh, MAGA, this...
Dude, you don't understand.
People just showed up with a megaphone.
Me and Posobiec were just like, show up!
That was all you did, right?
There was no Charlie Kirk Show podcast.
It was literally, we were at the RNC, there were a bunch of commies, and we said, hey, let's just go get a megaphone.
We weren't even filming it.
We were just like, let's go.
Let's go defend our guy.
And it went viral, and you were periscoping it.
And you gotta understand and appreciate, people in the audience, I think, do, that...
Now that, literally, as we're talking right now, Mike, there's this cabinet meeting, and we're in control of the government and all that, and it's wonderful, it's great.
But we were inches, inches, literally, you know, in July 13th, but despite that, inches away from becoming Canada.
And David Horowitz was the one that was just in the break, in the brink, in this gap, saying, nope, like, we're not going to do that.
Here is how you fight.
You know, frequently, I hear from people, Man, in some ways I'm glad that my uncle, my aunt is not alive to see this.
I actually, with David, I'm super thrilled that he was able to see Donald Trump win back the White House.
That gives me great comfort.
He saw this story come to some form of completion, one that he helped design and fight for.
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Mike Cernovich continues with us to remember the great and now late David Horowitz.
What lessons can we learn from David Horowitz in this current circumstance that we're in right now, Mike?
Yeah, because he was a former leftist, and I'm glad you had me on for this second segment because something we were kind of talking around but didn't put really into words between...
Horowitz, Breitbart, and others, it's called the fighting spirit, right?
The left gets in our faces and we go, oh, we're so precious.
We're so afraid.
Oh, I don't feel safe on camp.
That's totally anathema to the David Horowitz way, right?
Totally.
I don't feel safe.
I don't feel safe at Columbia.
You don't feel safe walking around an Ivy League campus?
Really?
You guys don't?
And that strain of Paul Ryan Conservatism, if you want to call it that, or conservatism, is reinfecting the younger generation, the Horowitz way, the Breitbart way.
You, you know, you just, like I said, that's why I posted that video.
You just walked into a group of goons at the RNC, communist goons, and you just walked in there.
And you had one guy with you.
You didn't have some Army and Navy SEALs around you.
And I was there keeping an eye on, and Posobiec was around there somewhere.
And you just walked into the fire, as Breitbart said.
And a lot of that is an energy.
Which, for reasons I don't understand, traditional conservatives kind of struggle with this vibe and oral.
What do you mean, vibe?
What do you mean?
Get in their faces.
Just yesterday, Jamie Raskin incited what looks like a beat mob on Posobiec because Posobiec went to an event and said, well, why did you waste all this money on impeachment?
These are things that we do now or that we did, the early OG MAGA, that whether we knew it or not, it was...
Due to the zeitgeist being created on the right by the Horwitz, Breitbart, and those other types.
So I think the lesson that everybody should learn is that, hey, we're not potted plants.
We're not wallflowers.
We don't run from the left.
We don't cry.
We don't throw little temper tantrums.
We use the tactics, if you will, that they do, which is we go to their events.
There was a video of a woman.
Recently going to an event in Texas and saying things about Islam, which personally for me is a little bit of a soft spot because I try to respect all religions.
But there is a sense where there are left-wing activists.
They'll come to our stuff.
Why don't we go to their stuff?
Why don't more people do what you did and go into the commies and speak the truth?
Why don't more people do what Posobiec did just yesterday to Jamie Raskin and say, oh, you guys are frauds.
Hakeem Jeffries is sitting on the Capitol steps for six hours doing impeachment hoaxes and standing up for MS-13.
Why doesn't it just occur?
To the right wing to say, well, wait, they're there on the Capitol steps?
Why don't I go to them and ask them why they love MS-13?
Why doesn't it occur to our people to do that?
Because if you had two Republicans there on the Capitol steps, leftists would be there in a second, right?
And I'm not saying be violent like the left, but leftists would say, wait a minute, we got two Republican Congress members here on the Capitol steps.
We're going to go there and we're going to ask them questions.
Okay.
I watched that, and I was upset because I was already out of town.
I was on a flight, I think, when it happened.
And all I could think of is, why doesn't it occur to young conservatives?
Go up there and ask them why they love MS-13.
Go up there and ask them why they love Hamas.
Right?
I don't want to see people, because I've gotten into it with some people, and a lot of people are upset with me, and I don't really care.
I don't want to see people who are in their 20s, the prime of life.
Oh, I'm afraid to walk on a campus.
No, why don't you go up there?
And say, hey, Hakeem Jeffries, why do you love Hamas so much?
And they'll go, oh, I don't know that.
They do, though.
I mean, they do.
That's what David Horowitz would teach us to do.
That's right.
Right.
Go do it.
How are you going to let him be there for six hours?
And then you want to cry in a little corner?
This is not the Horowitz way.
It's not the OG MAGA way.
It's not our way.
And that's the message I hope people be more like David Horowitz.
Go up to these people.
Again, not violent, but just say, hey, why do you guys love Hamas so much?
Make them defend themselves.
Because the left-wing tactic that OG MAGA was great at, and this wisdom is getting lost, and I don't know why.
It's endlessly driving me crazy.
The Horowitz way, the Breitbart way.
Make them answer the allegation.
That's right.
Right?
Make them.
Why do you love Hamas?
Oh, I don't.
Make them.
Why is it always us playing defense?
It requires you to be on the offensive and literally get out of your studio, right?
Do what I do to go to these college campuses and to be around people that don't always agree with you and to set the tone and set the directive.
And David embodied that better than anybody else.
Mike, great work as always.
Anything you want to plug?
15 seconds.
No, but tell more people to be like David Horowitz.
You're going to get a lot further.
You're going to get a lot further in life.
Very good.
Mike, thanks so much.
Email us freedom at charliekirk.com Yeah, we should make Horowitz a verb.
To Horowitz them.
I love that idea.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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