El Salvador’s President Bukele joined Trump at the White House, so Charlie asks a provocative question: If El Salvador can choose to stop being Third World, why can’t America? Then, he Brian Wesbury investigate where all the money went from the Federal Reserve. Jeffrey Harmon discusses Angel Studios’ new Christian hit film “The King of Kings.” Watch ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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We unpack his visit.
We talk about the movie King of Kings, and where is all of the money that the Federal Reserve is saying that they borrowed to the Treasury?
Very complex but important topic of how the government lies to you financially.
And if we audited the Fed, gotta wonder what would happen.
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Let's recap some of the meaning.
So one of the test cases of how we know that if you are crime ridden, gang infested and of the third world, it's a choice.
In the modern era with artificial intelligence, with cryptocurrency, with Bitcoin technology, access to the Internet, if your country is still living in the third world, it is by choice.
Now, to get to the first world, you need some advantages.
But living in the third world is a choice.
You can enter the second world by simply making good choices.
So much of life is choices.
So much of life is decisions.
The left wants you to believe that you are captive based on something that you inherit.
You're captive based on your circumstances.
We believe in free will, in agency.
And the turnaround and the story of El Salvador and Bukele is a phenomenal story.
El Salvador was the most dangerous place on the planet.
MS-13 ran rampant.
They held the entire country hostage.
Bukele wins, declares a national emergency, has locked up.
Tens of thousands of narco drug criminals in MS-13, and El Salvador is now safer than the United States of America.
A lot of money is flowing into El Salvador.
Now, I don't want to make it seem as if it's something that it isn't.
El Salvador is not like Ohio.
El Salvador is not Georgia.
But for decades, El Salvador was treated as unfixable.
It's just the problem.
Get used to it.
They're a bunch of murderers.
There's nothing we could do about it.
They're poor, and they're going to kill each other.
Because what had to be done was outside of what Washington and D.C. could tolerate.
Round up thousands of people and put them in jail.
Not hard.
But D.C., they can't possibly tolerate that.
Well, what about the feelings of the terrorists?
What about the feelings and the emotions of the people that are cutting off babies' heads, of which MS-13 would do in El Salvador?
El Salvador led a populist revolution by Bukele, nationalized the police force.
And lock them up in these maximum security prisons.
So Bukele visited President Trump today in the White House.
In fact, the meeting is largely ongoing.
As the meeting is ongoing, they're talking about deportations and partnering.
And you have to wonder, Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Mexico, why are you guys not as safe as El Salvador?
Because they're choosing criminals over their citizens.
It's very simple.
If the West is to fall, it's because we choose to fall.
If the West is to collapse, it's because collapse is a series of self-inflicted choices.
It is a byproduct of a genic activity.
We use the agency to fall, or we use the agency to rise.
And what is it that makes us fall?
It's because we are captive to ideology.
The ideology of the MS-13's feelings matters more than the well-being of the kid that's trying to walk to school.
Here's a little bit of a taste of Bukele's visit.
J.D. Vance is speaking in this tape.
Playcut 142.
For 40 years, we have lost manufacturing capacity.
Workers have seen their wages stagnate.
And some of the most critical things that we need from the pharmaceuticals, the drugs that we give to our children, the antibiotics that we give to our kids, to the weapons that we actually need to fight a war, if, God forbid, we had to fight a war, we don't make enough of that stuff.
And so President Trump ran explicitly on changing that.
Yes, as the president mentioned, caused a little bit of disruption in the market.
But I actually think over the long term, workers are going to benefit, stocks are going to go up, American businesses are going to benefit as we reinvest and reindustrialize our country.
But according to Janet Yellen, that's not possible.
They brought out the little elf, the
gremlin, to go tell you that it's not possible.
Remember she told you that abortion was a national security and economic concern?
Listen to The Hobbit, Playcut 120.
Perhaps it's to bring back American manufacturing, but I really think that's a pipe dream and not something that is likely to be accomplished.
And we could even raise questions about whether or not, in a broad-based way, that's a desirable goal.
Why do we listen?
What has she ever accomplished in her life except being a technocrat for the Wall Street banks and the lords of easy money?
It's a pipe dream.
You know what?
We like defying pipe dreams wrong.
And to tie it all together, they said making El Salvador a safe country was a pipe dream.
And now it is a fact.
It is safer to walk the streets of El Salvador.
It is safer to walk the streets of San Salvador.
Than it is the streets of Chicago.
It is a material fact to say that it is safer to bring your kids on the streets of San Salvador than Washington, D.C. or New York.
So we look forward to proving you wrong.
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Do you know that we are financing private banks?
How much money are we actually giving to private banks?
Well, Brian Westbury is the chief economist of First Trust LP, former chief economist of the Joint Economic Committee for U.S. Congress, and current member board of the Trustees for Hillsdale College.
Brian, welcome to the program.
Great to see you.
Brian, why don't you educate our audience on how the Fed is
hundreds of billions of dollars?
I'm not even quite sure how this all works.
All I understand is that the U.S. taxpayer is funding private banks.
Yeah, Charlie, it's great to be with you.
This all started really back in 2008 when Ben Bernanke walked into...
W's office and said, hey, if you don't let me print $4 trillion and flood the financial system with that money, the whole global world order is going to collapse.
And so that was when it began.
We did it again.
During COVID.
And so what this means is that we have increased the money supply in the United States.
It was $7 trillion in 2007.
It is now $21 trillion.
So let me put that in perspective.
If you have a $100 bill in your wallet, 67 of those dollars were created in just the last 18 years.
Like, that's how much money we printed.
Now, when all of that money goes into the banking system, it turns into inflation.
And the way the Fed stopped it from turning into inflation is first, they raised a ton of regulations on banks.
And second, they paid banks to hold that money.
So we are now paying banks about $200 billion a year to not lend that money out.
That means we're paying private banks.
Now, the interesting thing is the Fed bought bonds with that money, and so they earn interest from those bonds, but they're paying banks more than they're earning.
In other words, the Fed is losing.
Last year, they lost about $80 billion, and the taxpayers funded that, and we used that money to pay banks.
If we stop this, Think how much we could lower the deficit.
Over a 10-year period, it would be $2 trillion.
So is Congress then financing this loss?
And if so, where in the budget is this money?
Yeah, they play sleight of hand with this, Charlie.
It's crazy.
The Federal Reserve has an account that they call a deferred asset.
So normally, before all of this change, the Fed owned bonds, but they didn't pay banks, and they made money every year.
And so then they would give that money to the Treasury at the end of the year.
Now, with them losing money, they have what's called a deferred asset, which is...
The craziest term I've ever heard.
It's a negative account.
I don't know how they're paying their employees.
I don't know how they're keeping their lights on.
Because if you run a private business in a deficit, you either have to raise more equity or debt or something in order to pay to keep the lights on.
And so my belief, and the Fed won't really tell you this, is that they're borrowing money from the Treasury in order to keep the lights on.
In Britain, The UK, they did the same thing.
And now they're kind of caught because it's raising their deficit, but at least they're accounting for it the right way.
We don't.
We hide it.
And so I can only imagine that Elizabeth Warren doesn't understand that we're paying private banks $200 billion a year because I think she'd have a cow if she knew that.
She hates banks.
And so this is the most amazing, insane...
Right. But if it's the Fed paying the banks $200 billion a year, there is not necessarily a through line from the Treasury to the Fed.
Can't the Fed just create the money by lowering interest rates?
I guess the question is, the money has to be appropriated at some point of origination.
So walk us back.
So the Fed is paying the private banks.
Who is giving the money to the Fed?
The Treasury Department?
Well, okay.
So there's two things going on here that are separate.
One, in order to do quantitative easing.
So Ben Bernanke, when he was fighting the financial panic of 2008, created like $4 trillion new dollars.
Jerome Powell, literally created out of thin air.
Jerome Powell did the same thing during COVID.
So we have created $8 trillion more of Fed balance sheet that turned into $14 trillion more of M2, which is all our checking account.
So the Fed literally creates this money.
But then once they've created it, now you have interest earned and interest expense, and the Fed is losing money based on that.
Here's another way to think of this.
When they created $4 trillion under Bernanke and then another $4 trillion under Powell, they bought bonds to put on the Fed's balance sheet.
And interest rates were super low when they did this.
So when interest rates went up, They actually lost money on their portfolio.
Right now the Federal Reserve has a trillion.
Dollars of losses on its bond portfolio.
And it's all because they bought bonds when interest rates were low, and now interest rates have gone back up.
So the Fed is caught.
They have losses on their books.
They can't sell those bonds off without taking those losses.
At the same time, they don't want the banks to lend out the money, so they're paying them that they created out of thin air.
And so they're paying the banks to hold on to that cash so that it doesn't...
All I was saying is their bond portfolio is not earning as much as they're paying.
So that's where they make a loss.
And then the question is, how do they pay to keep the lights on?
Do they print the money?
Well, it doesn't look like they're doing that.
Are they taking it from the interest that they're earning from those bonds and somehow moving it into another account?
Or are they just borrowing straight from the Treasury?
And my belief is they're borrowing straight from the Treasury, even though they won't tell us that that's exactly what they're doing.
But if they're borrowing it straight from the Treasury, the Treasury must have the money in the first place.
So is Congress appropriating $150 billion for this purpose?
No. But then where is the money coming from?
Yeah. The Federal Reserve creates a deferred asset.
Like, that's the weirdest.
Phrase I've ever heard.
It's a negative number, and they promise that they're going to pay the Treasury that money back when they start making a profit again in the future.
So in return for that promise, the Treasury is now funding the Fed.
All right.
And and what's interesting about this is Congress did not agree to this.
Congress did agree to let the Fed pay interest to banks, but they did not agree that the Fed, the Treasury could lend the Fed this money.
And so I actually think there's a lawsuit here.
I mean, how is this any different than Enron?
I mean, this is a massive accounting scandal, isn't it?
Well, to me it is, and nobody focuses on it.
And, you know, what's fascinating is you go in every month or every, well, every time the Fed meets, it's like eight times a year.
They have a press conference, and there's 30 reporters that are handpicked by the Fed to come in, and no one will ask them how they're paying to keep the lights on.
They just won't ask them.
Because if they do ask, they'll not be ever invited back again.
And I've begged them to let me in and ask those questions.
I've begged reporters to ask those questions.
But so far, they haven't been asked and they haven't been answered.
And the Fed, this...
I give a talk and I call it the Fed.
Federal Reserve has gone insane.
I mean, I'm going to go back to what I said.
If you have a $100 bill in your wallet, 67 of those dollars were printed in the last 18 years.
The other 33 in the previous 220 years or 30 years.
And so what I'm getting to here is that...
The Fed has completely changed the way we manage monetary policy and hardly anybody complains about it.
It's why we had inflation.
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Brian Westbury continues with us.
He's a deep thinker about this.
He's the chief economist at First Trust LP, former chief economist of...
U.S. Congress, the Joint Economic Committee for U.S. Congress, and also his fund has over $250 billion assets under management.
So, Brian, help me understand.
If it's the Fed doing this sort of gamesmanship, Congress has very limited oversight because the Fed is a private-public partnership.
How can Congress or the executive branch then intervene on this reckless behavior?
Yeah, well, first of all, they do have oversight.
They can bring the Fed chairman in, ask him questions, embarrass them.
But they also write the laws.
The Congress started the Fed in 1913, changed the law again in 1973, and then we changed it again about...
10 years ago, and then Congress also gave the Fed this ability to pay banks' interest on reserves.
So Congress has a big role in this, and the problem is that most Congress people, ever since Paul's father left, don't really understand monetary policy, and therefore they get...
flummoxed in these hearings and they don't know enough about it to ask the right questions or to do the right
So therefore, if Congress is not even willing to engage, I suppose we're going to keep on participating in this funny math.
And is there anything preventing the Federal Reserve from another capital influx of created trillions of dollars?
And how much money...
Do we actually get an audited look at the Federal Reserve ever?
No, we haven't.
And, you know, and here's the thing.
The only thing that keeps the Fed in check really is, I mean, Congress has oversight, but it's really the public.
And inflation, when it came, it was all because of this policy.
And yet, like, so many people have ignored that.
When you explode the money supply, like they did during COVID especially, that's where inflation comes from.
You print so many dollars that the value of the dollar goes down.
You know, people say pizza costs more, and I'm a geeky economist, and I say to them, your pizza doesn't cost any more, your dollar buys less, because we printed too many of them.
And now what's happening is the Powell, every member of the Fed, especially the chairman, they're politicians.
And now he's blaming Trump.
On tariffs and inflation, and he's trying to get away from the fact that he is the one that caused it in the first place.
And the public doesn't know enough about this to really be able to make a decision about who's really at fault.
It's intentionally confusing.
It's now Main Street's turn.
Let's play cut 139.
For the last four decades, basically since I began my career in Wall Street...
Wall Street has grown wealthier than ever before, and it can continue to grow and do well.
But for the next four years, the Trump agenda is focused on Main Street.
It's Main Street's turn.
It's Main Street's turn to hire workers.
It's Main Street's turn to drive investment.
And it's Main Street's turn to restore the American dream.
Brian, final thoughts.
Yeah, so...
I mean, if you just look back at COVID, you know, supposedly, gosh, all the arguments were COVID hits the lower class more than the upper class and certain groups of people more than others.
And so we have to fix this and make things more equal.
So we ended up running these massive budget deficits.
We ended up printing all of this money.
And what happened was the exact...
Opposite of what they said was going to happen.
If you had assets, if you own equities, if you own a house and inflation comes along and they print all this money, you win.
If you don't have assets, you get crushed.
And so I hope that Scott, in that quote, and the Trump administration really does find a way to keep the Fed from ever doing this again.
And in fact, I think they ought to shrink the Fed quite a bit and take away the power.
We didn't even talk about the fact that the Fed somehow is able to fund climate change research, that the Chicago Fed is doing work on lead water pipes.
And they have a community.
I mean, they're out of control.
And all these regional banks are spending money they don't have to do things that they shouldn't be doing.
They have nothing to do with climate change.
We have the EPA for lead water pipes.
Why is the Fed involved in lead water pipes?
They need to answer all those questions.
All right, thanks.
Great to be with you, Charlie.
Brian, excellent work.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Amazing! New film, this Holy Week.
Phenomenal. In fact, one of our team members, Tyler, took his family to see it and was raving about it.
It is called King of Kings.
Everyone should check it out.
You guys can do that at angel.com slash Kirk.
Joining us now is Jeffrey Harmon, co-founder and CCO of Angel Studios.
Jeffrey, congratulations on this new amazing film.
We have the trailer, but first I want you to introduce it.
Give us a little bit of the wind-up.
The movie's based on Charles Dickens' book.
That he wrote for his kids, and it wasn't published until 65 years after Charles Dickens had passed away.
And what it is, is it's a look at Jesus' life from the perspective of a young child, where Charles Dickens is explaining to his child the story of Jesus Christ.
This movie has blown up in the box office.
It was number two this last weekend, did $19.3 million over the weekend, which is just...
$400,000 less than Sound of Freedom did in the first three days.
Forbes just posted that it lands one of the best audience scores in history.
97% with audiences on Rotten Tomatoes, about 64% with critics.
And it has a...
A-plus cinema score with audiences, which is a cinema score of A-plus has only been done 128 times in movie history and only five times for animated films outside of Disney and Pixar.
Well, congratulations for that.
Let's watch the trailer and to get into it, let's play Cut 116.
Going to tell him a great story about forgiveness.
Our story begins 2,000 years ago when baby Jesus came into the world.
Wait, wait, stop.
If it's not about a king, then I'm not interested.
This story is about the king of kings.
If you're with me, then I know that I...
I'm a man!
It has angels and wicked kings and miracles.
Look at all the fish!
Why don't we help Jesus along the way?
you you you
That is captivating.
So tell us more.
It's done in not quite animation, but one step above animation.
What is that process called, and why did you guys decide to do it in that form?
Well, the filmmakers, they're from South Korea.
And they're this Christian group from South Korea that has done a whole bunch of work for all the big studios over the years.
They're called MoFak Studios.
And these South Koreans, the director doesn't even speak English.
He made this movie as a passion project, recruited all these amazing talent, and they did a motion capture process where you actually capture real people walking and things.
So they decided to do that to bring down the cost and makes it feel more real.
What they've done here, if you see the walking on water scene from this movie, there's just so many scenes in here that are gorgeous.
The cinematography is beautiful.
The voice actors, it has one of the top cast.
You've got Pierce Brosnan in it.
You've got Ben Kingsley.
You've got...
Uma Thurman.
There's this huge list of actors inside this movie that they've pulled in.
And what they have built, audiences are raving about.
I went on Saturday to the movie with my kids.
And up in the front of the theater during the credits, the entire movie was full of kids.
And all these kids go running down during the credits.
And while the credits are playing, they're all dancing around these 6-year-olds to 12-year-olds just dancing spontaneously.
It was pretty amazing.
It's a great experience.
So putting forward a faith-based film during Holy Week, is the success you're enjoying right now exceeding expectations?
And educate our audience even deeper on what Angel is and what you guys seek to do with the Angel Guild.
So every single movie on Angel Studios is approved by what we call the Angel Guild, which is a group of over a million people who greenlight every film on Angel Studios.
So they gave King of Kings one of the highest scores we've seen, which is a 95. And so if you're part of the Angel Guild, you get a vote on every movie that comes in at Angel Studios.
Then you get two movie tickets to be able to go see every movie in theaters.
And so we have this group of over a million people.
As a Guild member, you get to approve.
I can't, as a co-founder of Angel, I can't even take a movie into Angel Studios unless it first passes the Angel Guild.
And so today, if you go sign up for the Angel Guild and you get to vote on future movies, you get two movie tickets to King of Kings today at angel.com slash...
What's your URL?
Charlie? Kirk.
Yeah, angel.com slash Kirk.
We chose the shorter, easier to spell one.
Yeah, so if you go to angel.com slash Kirk and you join the Angel Guild right now, you get two free movie tickets to King of Kings this week for Holy Week.
And then you get a vote on all future movies that come into Angel Studios.
We believe that there's this brokenness in Hollywood that's coming from not the filmmakers, not the craftsmen, not the actors, but it's primarily coming from the gatekeepers, which is a group of like a couple dozen people that are making all of the decisions of all the movies that go into Hollywood.
And we're replacing that with this guild.
Yeah, and just so everyone understands that if you join the guild today, Angel.com slash Kirk, as a premium member, you get two free tickets to King of Kings and every other Angel studio film.
But also, you guys have so much more that you guys have developed for families with Angel.com.
Talk about Tuttle Twins.
Talk about the entire library and depth that you guys have at Angel.
The movies you're going to see at Angel.com.
So we have the Total Twins series, which is a series about these two twins with their grandma Gabby, who has a time-traveling interdimensional wheelchair.
It's a comedy animated film.
And they get to go meet characters like Benjamin Franklin and George Washington.
And they even go meet Karl Marx and learn about Marxism.
And it shows Karl Marx as kind of this goofy guy.
But the...
These twins are learning and your kids get to learn with those kids.
Then there's other films like The Sound of Freedom from a couple years ago to the Homestead series that just came out, which launched at Christmastime, Homestead with Neil McDonough.
There's The Winged Feather Saga, which is a fantasy series based on the best-selling book, The Winged Feather Saga by Andrew Peterson.
And these movies and series...
There's a couple movies every single week being released.
And so you have just a huge amount of excellent films.
It's a growing library.
Films and TV series that represent our values as families and Middle America's values because it's voted on by the Angel Guild.
And so you see this level of quality that's coming in.
And as you watch Angel movies, you're going to realize that They're just hit after hit of satisfying, satisfying movies because they have to pass this threshold that's very difficult to pass getting voted on by the Angel Guild.
And congratulations, I just want to say on behalf of the entire audience, for bringing the gospel message to a mainstream audience during Holy Week.
Was there any resistance here?
Do you feel a little bit of a cultural shift?
Because typically, this kind of a lift would be met with protests and with walk-offs.
But was this one a little bit, dare I say, easier?
And if so, what does that tell us about the state of the American culture?
I would say there is definitely a cultural shift.
Because a couple years ago, we released a movie called His Only Son, which is watchable in the Angel Guild right now.
But His Only Son is the story of Abraham.
We released it at an Easter time.
Years ago when we started, Angel Studios released the first three seasons of The Chosen.
And I remember before anybody had really seen it, I would invite people over to my house and ask them if they could watch the show.
And I'd give out the movie, the series, The Chosen.
This is season one, episodes one through four.
And nobody wanted to watch it.
And I'd give links to them and they wouldn't watch it.
Nobody would watch it.
And then I finally just said, you know what?
I'm going to invite people over to Sunday dinner.
And then I'm going to...
Get up after Sunday dinner and say, now we're going to go watch the series that I've been working on with Dallas.
And I'd sit people down and say, you have to watch this series.
And they would resist and say, no, I've spent the last two years of my life working on this.
Sit down and watch The Chosen.
And every time, without fail, they would love the show.
But it was like pulling teeth to get people to watch it.
Now that's a very big hit.
This is very different.
The King of Kings is getting watched en masse.
It just beat Prince of Egypt's record for the biggest biblical animated box office opening of all time.
And so that was over two decades ago.
And that's how long it's been since we've had a serious animated biblical film.
So the culture's definitely changing, and there's a huge shift.
The importance and the cultural powerhouse that it is.
Please, one minute.
Riff on it.
Come join the Angel Guild at angel.com slash Kirk.
And when you join it, you get to pick all the movies.
You get two free movie tickets to King of Kings.
And you get to pick all the movies that come into this community.
There's over a million people.
You get to vote on the films.
You get to give feedback to the directors.
They read your feedback.
They give comments to it.
You get to watch movies.
Like, if you're in the Angel Guild, you potentially got to see King of Kings months ago.
And you got to vote on it and decide if it came to Angel Studios.
And you get to see the next one and the next.
You get to be a part of that process of creating the culture that we want for our children.
Caleb, one of our dear friends that watches the program regularly just emailed us.
We joined the Angel Guild.
Amazing books and shows.
No regrets.
We love having a say.
Everyone should as well.
So there you go.
Straight from the Charlie Kirk audience.
So thank you, my friend.
Angel.com slash Kirk.
Congratulations and have a blessed Holy Week.
You too.
Okay, you guys.
When you guys subscribe to The Charlie Kirk Show, we deeply appreciate it.
There's a new study out from Axios that shows the power of our podcast, and we want to share that with you.
Young Americans' favorite podcasts reveal a stark partisan split.
The most listened-to podcast for people that listen to President Trump was Joe Rogan.
I mean, who voted for Donald Trump was Joe Rogan.
No surprise.
Joe Rogan is the GOAT.
He is the Michael Jordan.
He is the Rush Limbaugh of podcasting.
No one comes close.
I find Joe Rogan so listenable and enjoyable.
He's phenomenal.
And his courage to come out to support President Trump was admirable.
However, it says here, 27% of people who voted for President Trump say they listened to the Joe Rogan experience, while 19% of Trump voters say they listened to the Charlie Kirk show.
18% listened to the Ben Shapiro show.
Pretty great.
So 19% of Trump voters listened to our program.
So that is number two.
9% of Harris voters listened to Call Her Daddy.
Of course.
I was going to make a really bad joke, but we won, so I'll be wholesome.
