The Palisades fire in Los Angeles is one of the worst in the city's history, and America's second city seems powerless to contain it. Charlie talks to local resident Peachy Keenan about how California's disastrous governance led up to this point. Then, Dr. Gad Saad joins to discuss the cult of "toxic empathy" that is ruining the West and letting migrant predators destroy civilization.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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On diversity, equity, inclusion, LGBTQ pet projects, and you are captured by environmentalists, we have been warning for years that you are worried about abstractions, but you can't do the basic stuff.
You can't do the basic necessities of government.
Like have a fire hydrant that works during a fire.
Like being able to clean up the brush to make sure that fires do not consume your entire city.
What is happening right now...
In California is apocalyptic.
I now know of six people, personally, not like one-off, six people personally, of homes I have visited that are now gone.
That are just gone.
Gone.
One of our team members, who many of you know, Stacey, her house is just gone.
Got her family out.
Praise God.
I think they had to leave a pet behind.
Just terrible.
Gone.
Another one of our great donors, who we actually have the interior of one of our buildings named after, her entire house is gone.
Gone.
Another one of our friends in the Palisades, whole house is gone.
This is some of the worst fires we've ever seen.
And joining us now is Peachy Keenan, native Los Angeles resident, author of Domestic Extremist, and also is in the midst of where a lot of these fires are happening.
Peachy welcomes the program.
What is the latest on the ground?
Hey, Charlie, how are you?
This is so crazy because I grew up in the Palisades Village and the Palisades Riviera, and now I live in the Pasadena and Altadena area.
So I'm being hit.
Everyone I know right now is basically under evacuation.
Two of my husband's cousins in the Palisades Village, their houses, their homes are burned to the ground.
Their children's schools burned to the ground.
Pali High School is gone.
Flatstones, all these iconic restaurants in the Palisades I grew up going to, gone.
The Real Inn, my mother, you know, I grew up in the Palisades.
My mother lived in Malibu.
Those neighborhoods are now destroyed.
And here I am now, really, on the border of Pasadena and Altadena.
My house is still standing.
We're okay, thank God.
Unfortunately, we have many, several friends now whose homes they just found out this morning are gone here in Altadena.
These are, this is, and this is not where celebrities live.
This is not millionaires.
These are like, Families have been here for 30, 40 years.
My son, who's here, he's a student at Hillsdale.
He is home for Christmas break, and I'm glad he was, because he was helping carry all of our things to our car last night.
We got our little kids out.
And here's the sad thing, is that the kind of local hardware store, which is like a famous many-year-run family business, Altina Hardware.
We found out this morning that that burned to the ground.
And both of my sons have worked there.
And my son was working there last night selling, you know, emergency supplies to people.
And now that's gone.
So this is just traumatic.
I just walked up two blocks.
You can see behind me, this whole neighborhood here above New York Avenue, which is like a main east-west thoroughfare, dividing Altadena and Pasadena, is completely engulfed.
I was standing in front of homes that were just burnt just to the ground, to the foundation.
And it's just absolutely apocalyptic is the right word.
Peachy, I don't want to overly politicize this, but honestly, we have to because it's one party rule.
The state government is controlled by Democrats.
The county government is controlled by Democrats.
The city government is controlled by Democrats.
They are unprepared.
They didn't listen to our warnings.
For years, we've been telling these people, you guys, there's going to be a major fire breakout and the environmentalists are preventing brush cleanup and that they're spending money on sending, you know, let's just say charter flights to Ghana, which is literally, I just got right here.
I think the mayor just took a charter flight to Ghana.
The mayor of Los Angeles is in Ghana right now.
Not an exaggeration.
And took a charter flight to Ghana.
They sent their extra firefighting supplies to Ukraine.
Peachy, explain to us the political dynamics here.
Yeah, apparently Mayor Karen Bass defunded the fire of the LAFD by something like...
$20 million or something.
You know, we can't even get the homeless junkies, which are literally in Pasadena now, we can't get them to come clean up the tents to get these people out of there.
And every year, it's always the homeless camps in these mountains behind me and in the Santa Monica Mountains.
They're the ones who start the fire.
I don't know if you remember three or four years ago, Bel Air burned down, where the 405 comes through by the Getty Center.
That almost burned down because of a homeless encampment right there in that valley.
And so it's just these stupid policies.
They don't clear the brush.
Having no water in Pacific Palisades, which is one of the most expensive zip codes in the world, is actually like, that's criminal.
That's attempted murder, to be frank.
I mean, is it true that they were trying to get water out of the fire hydrants and there was no water?
How does that even happen?
Yeah, that's what Rick Caruso said.
He lives in Brentwood, which I think his daughter in the Palisades lost her home.
You know, he's the one who ran for mayor in L.A. And he was ahead on election night, I don't know if you recall, a couple years ago.
And then miraculously, lo and behold, at one in the morning, Karen Bass squeaked in a victory ahead of him.
Oh, I wonder how that happened.
And so he's really the only guy talking sense here.
Yeah, and he said last night that there was no water in the fire hydrants.
Civic Palisades, you know, entry-level, starting home in the Palisades, probably, you know, $3-4 million.
So, you know, you expect, like, what do we pay our property taxes to?
We can't go to the schools here.
The fire departments don't have water.
Like, what exactly are we paying for?
It's really hard to justify even paying one more dollar a property tax.
I just, let's play Cut 65, please.
This is Rick Caruso, who should have been mayor of L.A. They did everything to prevent him from becoming.
Play Cut 65. My heart goes out, obviously, to the people at their homes, and I'm watching the small businesses around us go up in flames.
You know, this is people's livelihoods.
So it's devastating.
But what is most concerning to me is our first responders and our firefighters who are trying to battle this.
There's no water in the Palisades.
There's no water coming out of the fire hydrant.
This is an absolute mismanagement by the city.
It's not the firefighters' fault, but it's about a city.
And I'm going to be very honest.
We've got a mayor that's out of the country.
And we've got a city that's burning.
And there's no resources to put out fires.
So if you look at your pictures, you don't see the firefighters there because there's nothing they can do.
And it looks like we're in a third-world country here.
Yeah, third-world country.
I mean...
You know, usually the fires are like an encampment under the freeway.
And so it's actually hard to know.
Is something that's burnt out in L.A. actually, you know, a fire?
Or is it just like another junkie, you know, lighting his crack pipe or whatever?
It's just a travesty.
And I keep thinking every year, I've lived here my whole life, one day people are going to stop voting for these people.
One day, you know, they're going to recall Gavin Newsom.
He beat his recall.
He got re-elected.
Like, it's just...
What will it take to wake up people in Los Angeles?
Maybe this is it.
Maybe this is finally it.
I just look at this.
This has been for years coming.
We had the Thousand Oaks fires back in 2020. We had the similar fires in 2018. This is not the first time we have seen this sort of fire, but can you speak really quickly for a minute for the national audience that doesn't understand the technical nature of how preventable this could be if they just cleaned up the brush?
Why don't they do that?
Yeah, apparently the environmental lobby is so strong, and they don't want you to, like, hurt, you know, some chaparral bush that's, you know, endangered, or, like, some endangered lizard.
You're not allowed to do anything.
You can endanger millions of people's lives and their children and their businesses, but you can't hurt the, like, nesting ground squirrel or whatever it is.
But the other thing is, we get these torrential downstorms, rainforests.
We get these horrible storms once a year.
Of course, we haven't had one yet, not one drop of rain yet.
We have so much water comes down into the city, so much water, billions of tons of water, and it all goes right into the ocean.
It just goes right into the ocean.
And everyone's always wondering, like, why don't they just, like, build, you know, big reservoirs?
Why can't you capture this water, have all this water?
You could have locally stored water tanks.
You could have neighbors fighting their own fires in the Palisades, in Malibu.
Malibu's burned down, like, 10 times in my lifetime, and they've never once organized this.
We have the water.
You know, we live next to an ocean.
But somehow the water that God gives us in rain never quite makes it to the fires.
Trump recommended this years ago, but they need to make sure the Delta smelt is prioritized while human beings' homes are destroyed.
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Another person just texted me.
I'm going to put this image up on screen.
They're home, just gone.
Look, I have a lot of friends in the Palisades.
Do a lot of events there.
We do a lot of support.
Just gone.
Eliminated and obliterated.
Peachy is with us.
Peachy, what can the federal government do, President Trump, in 12 days to intervene here?
Has FEMA been called?
Why has the National Guard not been called?
I don't know how good they would be maybe necessarily at fighting fires, but at least with logistical support, what am I missing here?
I mean, maybe FEMA would help this area because these are Biden voters.
We know FEMA doesn't want to help you if you're a Trump voter.
They're not going to help my house.
I mean, I guess they just have to work on whoever manages these mountains.
I mean, these mountains keep burning and displacing all these people.
But I just wanted to show you where I am.
I walked up a little bit.
I'm at Lake Avenue, the main north-south thoroughfare of Pasadena and Atchison.
And you can see it's been, like, totally blocked off.
And behind me is this beautiful old church, Westminster Presbyterian.
Behind me is completely blocked.
Black smoke.
All these homes here in Altadena, along Lake Avenue, all the businesses are just going.
And honestly, it's like really heartbreaking for me.
I know a family.
My friend has 10 children.
Her husband recently died of cancer.
And they live up that street in a beautiful old home.
And that's the only memory all her children have of their father in that home.
And I really have no idea what the fate of her home is.
I know that the family is safe, but so many friends in this neighborhood do not know what's happened to their house.
Another family at our school, their house was spared, but the neighbors next door up here, their home is gone.
And I'm just seeing fire trucks from all over the state coming down here.
Thank goodness.
I just, I mean, up there, just a block ahead of me, Woodbury, New York, is just...
You know, so many cops, black smoke billowing from these beautiful old homes.
And like I said, these are not, you know, billionaires.
These are not celebrities.
These homes are, you know, 120-year-old craftsman homes.
They're so beautiful.
And families have been in here for decades.
And it's just a real nightmare.
There's a lot of chatter, and I'm not sure the truth of this, the veracity of it, that there were a lot of fire insurance cancellation letters and notices sent recently.
Is that correct?
I have no insight into that.
I know that California makes it very difficult to get homeowners insurance.
You have to, if you want earthquake insurance, it's like so exorbitant that most people don't even bother with earthquake insurance.
And homeowners insurance is so expensive.
I mean, the cost of living here, as you know, is already so high.
I don't know anything about people's policies being canceled.
If that's the case, that feels like a lawsuit ready to happen.
I've heard that.
So I guess the final takeaway here, because I have to ask actually while I'm looking at this, is that church going to be consumed by the fire?
The neighborhood behind it I think might be in danger.
The smoke, this is just a couple blocks north of it, is on fire.
I think this church is stoned.
This church has been here since, you know, 1910 probably.
And, you know, I think it'll be okay.
But up the street.
The dry cleaner that we go to is gone.
Luckily, none of my husband's shirts were in the dry cleaner.
The hardware, the local hardware store, all these family businesses that have been here for decades, like cornerstones of this community.
And it really is a community.
I mean, it's a lot of liberals, but, you know, these are good people.
And it's just, I'm just in total shock.
Peachy, we'll be praying for you.
And we know how terrible this is right now.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Charlie.
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What you are seeing on the ground right now in California is a perfect example as to why President Trump won.
Sending extra fire equipment to Ukraine, chartering flights to Ghana.
And not caring about the well-being of your own people or citizens.
It is constantly worried about abstractions abroad and ignoring the immediate concerns that are facing the American people.
Our next guest is Dr. Gad Saad coming up in the next segment.
We're going to be talking about suicidal empathy.
It ties into all of this.
This is a major public policy disaster.
And for people in California that have been voting for Democrats, this is what you get.
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I mean, right now, one of our team members just texted me saying, I don't even know what to do.
Their entire house is gone.
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Can we please just go away with half the screen during these emergency briefings to the sign language interpreters?
I have nothing against, obviously, people that cannot hear.
But there's closed captioning.
I mean, this is just over the top.
We can't do this.
We've got to get back to how it used to be.
It's just too much.
It's a distraction is what it is.
The reason is they do these emergency briefings for fires or terrorist attacks, and you're looking at this and you're not listening.
I don't like it.
So we just got a closed captioning is perfectly fine.
I think we have to get back to basics here.
Joining us now is Dr. Gad Saad.
We're here to talk about suicidal empathy.
Dr. Saad, what is that?
And welcome to the program.
Oh, great to be with you.
Have you recovered from seeing me in the red velvet suit at Mar-a-Lago?
Oh, I have.
It traumatized me for a day, but I have sufficiently recovered.
All right.
So suicidal empathy is the following, Charlie.
Empathy is a great thing, but like most things in life, it has to be deployed to the right targets and the right amount at the right place, right?
Aristotle already knew this many thousands of years ago.
So to be empathetic...
It's certainly a virtue that, you know, we should applaud, but to be orgiastically empathetic.
So, for example, American vets are less worthy of our empathy than illegal immigrants who are MS-13 gang members.
Transgender folks who want to play in women's sports, who are biological males.
Empathizing with them is more important than the hundreds of women who will lose a spot on the podium.
So suicidal empathy is the misfiring of an otherwise adaptive emotion.
So how does that apply in our politics?
Give us more and more examples of how that manifests in our politics.
Orgiastic open borders is due to suicidal empathy.
Choosing to never criticize Islam because it might marginalize the noble, peaceful Muslims that live next to me is a case of suicidal empathy.
Arguing that all immigrants are equal.
And hence, I mean, yes, they're equal in the sense that they're equal under the law, but they're not equally likely to assimilate and internalize Western values.
There's nothing racist or bigoted about that, right?
My house cat is a feline.
So is the wild lion in the savannah jungle.
They're both feline.
One of them wants me to pet it.
The other one wants to eat me for lunch.
And so I'm not bigoted against cats because I recognize that a lion is not the same thing as Fido, my cat.
And so criminality, how we...
Navigate through the penal system is a case of suicidal empathy.
Why don't we give the noble criminal an 87th chance?
He's already been criminalized by white patriarchy.
If we now put him in prison, we're double whamming him.
And so every lunatic public policy that you could think of that is truly insane ultimately is rooted in the reflex of suicidal and misguided empathy.
So, how then do we fight back against suicidal empathy?
And it seems more applicable, the West decided to not commit suicide politically this last November, and we've actually decided to choose life.
Your thoughts, Professor?
Yeah, so look, as you are, of course, I am elated that Donald Trump won, but I keep warning people, please don't be complacent.
The fact that he won doesn't mean that all of the parasitic ideas, all of the suicidal empathy magically is eradicated, right?
right?
It took 50 to 100 years for each of these disastrous ideas and these, you know, misguided emotional responses to proliferate through every nook and cranny of society.
So it's going to take more than just the four years of Donald Trump for us to win the battle.
So yes, let's rejoice that he won and the opposite would have been, the alternative would have been a disaster, but it doesn't end here.
A lot more work needs to be done.
Yeah.
And so how then do we fighting?
I mean, I know you have an upcoming book around these kinds of themes.
What?
What are the one, two, three bullet points?
If there was a through line as to why the West is collapsing, suicidal empathy could be one of the main reasons why.
Well, it's to remind people that orgiastic, unadulterated empathy is not a virtue, right?
Like most things in life.
We've evolved the capacity to discriminate between people.
I'm more likely to jump in front of a moving bus to save my biological children than I am to save a random child in Namibia.
That's not because I'm callous.
That's not because I'm sinister.
It's because I've evolved the emotional system.
That allows me to met out my investments in a way that makes evolutionary sense.
And so we need to remind people that it is perfectly reasonable to care more about your country than to care about a country that's 2,000 miles away.
To care more about your children than about some, you know...
Poorly mistreated child in Waziristan.
Again, that doesn't mean that we should never met out empathy and kindness to strangers, but it means that it has to be better regulated.
And so the quicker we can remind people that it is perfectly reasonable, for example, to be patriotic, to love your family first, the quicker we can eradicate this reflex of suicidal empathy.
Do you have any idea of an author or a thinker as to where this came from?
If there was a culprit where the first or second initiation points for where this originated?
So I think it originally started with...
The parasitic ideas, right?
So, you know, all cultures are equal.
Who are you to judge other cultures?
But of course, our own culture is not equal in that it's inferior, right?
The West is inferior to the noble Afghanis, right?
And what that does then is it creates a sense of, what I argue in the book, in my forthcoming book, a sense of survivor guilt.
So let me expand on this idea.
If you're in a plane crash, God forbid, In your row, everybody dies except you.
At first, you're elated.
Thank God I survived.
But then you might go through a ruminative period where there is a constant intrusive thought in your mind.
Why did I deserve to live while all those perfectly lovely people survived?
Well, I argue that the West suffers from...
This kind of survivor guilt, but at the collective level.
Why was I born in the West and therefore I've got all these privileges, whereas these poor people in Waziristan don't have my ability to thrive and flourish?
And so there is several roots of the genesis for where that comes from.
But it all originates from those parasitic ideas.
That's why my first book, Parasitic Mind, was about what happens to our cognitive system when it is zombified.
And then the next book is what happens to our emotional system when it becomes zombified.
If our cognitive system is zombified and then our emotional system is zombified, here we go to the abyss of infinite lunacy.
So let's try to contemporize this.
We're seeing right now what's happening with the United Kingdom grooming gang.
You're not allowed to speak out against Islamic rape gangs in the United Kingdom because you might offend the Mohammedans.
That the Mohammedans might sue you in court and the Mohammedans might come after you.
Is this an example of suicidal empathy?
It's a prime example.
It is front and central in my next book, and so it's in my book, Salah Empathy.
Let me draw an analogy for you, Charlie, from evolutionary psychology.
The number one predictor of child abuse in a home.
I don't know if you've ever heard me mention this.
If you haven't, can I ask you to guess without putting you on the spot?
Can you guess what is the number one predictor of child abuse in a home?
Religion.
No, not quite.
If there is a step-parent in the house, there is a hundredfold increase.
Meaning what religion they have.
But yes.
So go ahead.
But just to be clear.
I got you.
Yeah, you know, I got it.
So if there is a step-parent in the house, there is a hundredfold increase of there being a child abuse in that home.
Now, me saying that, which is an absolute incontrovertible fact, doesn't take away from the fact.
That most step-parents are perfectly lovely and are not abusers, right?
Both those statements hold true.
What happens in the British grooming gangs is the minute that you say that there is an epidemiological reality whereby Pakistani Muslims are the primary perpetrators of those crimes, then someone comes along and says, yes, but my uncle Ahmad is a lovely guy and he would never rape a child, right?
That is that suicidal empathy reflex, which is upon hearing something that might marginalize the noble Muslims, please shut that information down.
So, yes, that is a perfect example of suicidal empathy.
Dr. Saad, I want to also just speak more broadly about how the West is starting to push back against it originally.
Are you seeing more and more of a movement for people to be, let's just say...
Oppositional to this.
I suppose that actually is a better question.
What is the opposite of suicidal empathy?
Well-regulated empathy, right?
So let me give you another example that I think will drive that point home.
OCD, obsessive-compulsive disorder, is a psychiatric dysfunction, right?
I will spend eight hours washing my hands and scalding hot water until my skin falls off.
And then I don't get to work and then I get fired.
It's a dysfunction.
But the root of OCD is rooted in an actually adaptive, evolutionary-sensible mechanism, which is...
It makes evolutionary sense for us to scan the environment for potential threats.
So if you and I meet, Charlie, and I noticed that a second ago you sneezed into your hand and then you put out your hand to shake mine, I might wince at the possibility of shaking your hand precisely because I might get your cold or your bronchitis or whatever it is, right?
And therefore, it makes evolutionary sense for me to be scanning the world for environmental threats.
The problem becomes when That warning flag misfires.
It becomes hyperactive.
So I check that the back door is closed, but then I'm stuck there for the next four hours checking that the door is closed.
Well, this is the same idea with empathy.
Yes, be empathetic, but not orgiastically so, right?
Like life is about regulation.
It's about having the right amount in the right place to the right people.
So yes, empathy is good within normal ranges.
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Dr. Satt, I would imagine, you're a professor, that most professors are proponents of suicidal empathy.
Is that correct?
Oh, of course.
Big time.
I mean, all of them were in mourning when the ultra-empathetic Justin Trudeau resigned recently, right?
All of them were big champions of his because he was so kind.
He was so warm.
He was about land acknowledgments.
He was about diversity, inclusion, and equity.
He's about indigenous knowledge instead of the white supremacy scientific method.
So, of course, they are...
You know, stricken with suicidal empathy.
Now, I should say to your earlier point that there is a bit of a pushback.
I'm happy to report to your audience, Charlie, that I'm now receiving a growing number of emails from academics who are saying, wink, wink, I'm on your side.
Much more than I have in the past.
So maybe they're waking up so we can be at least a bit optimistic.
I would hope so.
So you're at Northwood University now in Michigan, in this country.
I really believe that we're entering a new era of American dominance and strength, prosperity.
Do you agree with that, Dr. Zed?
I do.
I do.
Look, life, as you know, is full of cycles, down cycles, up cycles.
I'd like to think that what we're seeing now, this kind of new renaissance, this new optimism, is not just a little bleep of a Donald Trump positive outlier, but rather he started the train onto a new...
So I'd like to think that you're absolutely right.
We went through a very difficult period.
And when I say we, I don't mean just the United States.
I mean Canada.
I mean the West.
But hopefully things are definitely turning around for the better today.
Dr. Saad, please plug your books or the way that our audience can support you.
The Parasitic Mind, The Sad Truth About Happiness, and I am feverishly working on suicidal empathy every day, every minute, every hour.
Hopefully it should be out in the next few months.
Thank you, Charlie.
Thank you, Dr. Sad.
Really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Cheers.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
Right now, I'm just getting text messages of the fires that are ongoing.
By the way, the way that they actually construct houses in Southern California, they have to use non-combustible materials to the best of their ability.
I know it's not totally possible, but this has to set all new building standards.
It's bad for everybody.
And when they have these billions of tons of rainwater, why can't they capture them, as Peachy said, and put them in a reservoir?
Florida is a perfect example, by the way, of adjusting and adapting to one's environment.
They build for hurricanes.
Why does California not do the same?
That is a question that does not have a good answer.
Why does California do X? It's a very, very difficult question to answer.
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Well, again, invade the world, invite the third world, become the third world.
Breaking news, Biden has now announced $500 million to be sent to Ukraine for military aid.
$500 million.
You know who could use $500 million?
The people of Southern California could use $500 million.
But Joe Biden hates the citizens of this country.
He always has.
And it's going to change in 11 days and 22 hours.
In 11 days and 22 hours, a new movement will take control of the United States government.
By the way, where is FEMA? I'm sure there's some federal government response here, but...
Joe Biden didn't care about Western North Carolina.
He didn't care about the people of Georgia.
He didn't care about flooding.
It's all just a very big annoyance to him.
In 11 days, it changes.
We're going to take back this country and we are going to hit the ground running.
