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Nov. 27, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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America Lovers And America Haters: Charlie and Vivek at Georgia State University
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Hi, I'm Savannah, and I have a question about dual citizenship.
What is y'all's opinion on dual citizenship that's also known as dual nationality?
I'm against it.
Okay.
Yeah, I actually never thought that deeply about it, but yeah, I probably, if you're an American citizen, I think you should have to renounce the citizenship of another country.
Okay.
May I ask why you guys are against it?
Yeah, so citizenship is about your duty.
To whom do you actually pledge your allegiance?
And in theory, two nations can always have their interests conflict with one another.
And the question is, to which nation do you actually owe that sole allegiance?
So I think dual citizenship, to even say I'm against it, is even misses the mark.
It's actually an oxymoron because you can't possibly have conflicting loyalties when push comes to shove and two nations' interests conflict with one another.
You should be clear with yourself and with your country to whom your ultimate allegiance actually belongs.
And that's why I also favor lawmakers have to disclose if they have dual citizenship.
I think they should actually be willing and able to tell the public if they pledge allegiance to two countries.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Hello.
Y'all doing alright today?
Go ahead.
Good.
I'd like to challenge y'all mainly on like a moral landscape versus like a political landscape because I've not done my homework in the political realm.
So I'd like to challenge you on like your views on abortion and homosexuality.
Specifically Charlie because I've consumed some...
Way more of Charlie's clips.
I watched a clip of you.
I'd like to just confirm your viewpoint real quick.
I answer this at every tour stop.
Yes, I do not believe.
Personally, my family would not allow an abortion under any case unless the life of the mother.
That's correct.
Okay, so unless the life of the mother?
Unless the life of the mother, of which it would actually not be considered an abortion.
It's a medical procedure called a septujectomy, but that's, yes, abortion is the intentional taking of a fetus or a human life.
Our family would never do that personally, correct?
Okay, and you were brought up a scenario where a young girl, 10, 15-year-old girl was raped, and you were asked, should she give an abortion, or is it More moral to not give or give this abortion.
He said the baby will be aborted.
I said the baby will be delivered in the video.
Yeah, the baby will be delivered.
My bad.
And I think that's quite harsh to expect someone of this age and this life experience to have to do this.
Someone in this audience was conceived in rape.
Can you tell me who?
No.
So I have two ultrasounds.
One baby was conceived in rape.
One baby was conceived by a loving family.
Which one is which?
You cannot tell.
Yeah.
So therefore, universal human equality spans to all people regardless of the method of your conception, correct?
Sure.
So that is my position.
That is not exactly what I'm trying to tackle here.
I want you to look more at the person...
Having to give life to this baby and push it out of their body and go through a pregnancy.
Let's ask another moral question then.
Is it ever okay to do something evil after an evil act?
I want you to focus on my question real quick first.
No, I've answered it.
No, you've not answered it.
Well, I said the baby will be delivered.
Because, for example, murdering a baby is not the right thing after an evil.
That's the moral position I have.
Sure, and a general statement, I would agree.
As a general statement, yes.
So for example, under abortion, do you carve out a new morality?
Is there a different kind of morality that we apply only to abortion?
Well, it really is a case-by-case thing for me.
Really?
So that's case-by-case?
I mean, where in life do we do case-by-case?
Don't we have universal human morality, such as you shall not murder, people deserve human rights, I mean, sure, but...
Why should abortion be any different?
Because this...
So I believe the fetus or embryo or however you want to call it or whatever stage it's in, I believe it should not have the exact same rights as...
Got it.
So what species is it?
It is a human.
So then if it's a human species, doesn't it then get human rights?
Not necessarily.
Why?
Because there's a...
At what point does it get human rights?
I believe it gets human rights upon birth.
Wow, upon birth?
So even when it's 35 weeks, has a heartbeat, its own DNA, brain waves, can feel pain, touch, it can hear you, that baby doesn't get human rights?
Of course it deserves most rights, but when you are...
Like which ones?
Most rights?
Yeah, so if you were to, like for me, if my daughter, you know, was raped, I would 100% expect an option to not have this baby be born.
No, that's fine.
We just disagree.
You would be okay with murdering a baby.
I would not.
Why?
I think murder is a bit of a harsh...
So let me ask.
You said you're case by case.
Let me give you a case to react to.
Pregnant woman walking down the street.
She's assaulted.
The unborn child dies as a consequence.
Should that criminal be held liable for that death or not?
Yes.
Okay, so therefore we agree that that was actually a moral wrong and a crime that was committed, which means we have common ground, right?
And by the way, you're not alone in that.
Nearly every pro-choice person I've met in this country says the same thing, that if the woman is assaulted, she's pregnant, the unborn child dies as a consequence.
In that context, I haven't met a single person who says we don't treat that as actually a death that that criminal is responsible for.
So that says we actually all share that same instinct in common.
Let me just shift.
We're on a diverse campus, as Charlie mentioned.
We're here in the city of Atlanta.
Let me just talk about Planned Parenthood for a second because there's an agenda here.
It's not about these one-off fringe theoretical cases.
Planned Parenthood was built on a racist agenda to actually stop the birth of one race of people.
That is the black race of people.
And I know this may be controversial to say, but when you look at the number of deaths in this country, lynching ain't got nothing, actually, on the abortions that have occurred in this country targeted against one racial community.
And so when I hear Kamala Harris walking around talking about reproductive rights, I can't stand it anymore because they're effectively having an agenda preventing the reproduction of one class of Americans.
And I think especially sitting where we are today, we've got to recognize that racist agenda for what it is, too.
So thank you, man.
I appreciate the question.
Just push back a little bit.
Stay out of the political realm.
Who said who?
Who said what?
Last word.
Last word, and then we've got to give other people a turn, all right?
All right.
So, besides the cultural landscape of my generation, so personally, I think my generation has started to abuse the abortion, the option of abortion, and that has led to our society, our culture...
Hello, my name is Ethan.
I have a question for both of you, and then I have a question for Charlie specifically.
So the first question is, would you two, or just Turning Point USA as a company as a whole, would you guys be willing to make a course based on how to do political research?
Because for me, I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to it.
I think I miss a lot of nuance and opposing sides when I do it.
So would you guys be willing to sell a course like that?
Yeah, I think it's a great idea.
It's great.
I love that.
All right.
And then I have a question for Charlie specifically, because I'm a Christian and I enjoy debating with people.
And I know in the Bible it says not to cast your pearls upon the swine.
And so my question is, how do I find like a happy medium between not casting my pearls, but at the same time trying to desperately save a fellow American?
Yeah, that's a great question.
I can tell you what I do, which is I try to tell the truth in all circumstances, regardless of the backlash.
The scriptures say repeatedly that we are called to be disciples of all nations, not just converts of all nations, and to be salt and light.
When you are salt and light, that means you try to change the environment that you come in contact with.
So you constantly need to ask the question, are you changing the environment that you come in contact with to be more godly, more Christ-like, and elevating towards the divine, or are you becoming more worldly?
And again, we're all sinners.
We all fall short of the glory of God.
We all need Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.
All of us.
And Christ is King.
That's right.
And with that belief, though, we must understand, how did Jesus and the early church practice their ministry?
So I've only seen really one instance, because this is a new question that I've been kind of debating with.
But the only instance that I've seen is how he would deal with the Pharisees.
Since he knew that the Pharisees wouldn't listen, he would actually make an example of them.
Other people that would be willing to listen would get the lesson that the Pharisees weren't.
But at the same time, I think it would be nearly impossible to accomplish that in a one-on-one scenario unless it was to be recorded.
I have to think more deeply about that.
I don't know.
What I do know, though, is that Christ was simultaneously absolutely love and absolutely truth.
And in the current status, we only present Christ as absolutely love, not truth.
And if we dive deeper into the scriptures, we realize that if you really love somebody, you love to correct them.
See, in the modern day church, we think of church as affirmation, when in reality it should be correction.
And so in our life, this is where it could come across as people think you're judgy, or yet you're trying to cast them into a negative light.
We must have enough love to love somebody that if they're currently in a place of permanent behavioral sin, not one-off sin, but lifestyle behavioral sin.
For example, if your best friend is an adulterer and drinking out to 3 a.m.
every night, Do you love that person enough to tell them they have to get their act together?
Or do you just say, hey, I love you so much.
Keep on doing what you're doing, right?
So that would be my advice to you is to have that balance between love and truth.
We can't forget the truth side of the coin.
Thank you so much.
Sorry, one more question.
Okay.
So it is my birthday today.
Happy birthday.
What's your name?
Ethan.
Ethan?
Yes.
Ethan, happy birthday.
I was wondering if I could get a picture after the event's finished.
Absolutely.
Bring Ethan around right now.
I'll get Ethan a birthday picture, all right?
Bring Ethan around.
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What's up?
My name's Gavin, and I actually turned 18 today, too.
I'm a first-time voter.
Woo!
Happy birthday, man!
Alright, it's really your birthday?
Yeah, I'm in high school.
I'm going to have to see some identification or something.
I'm in high school.
I can show you.
No, I'm kidding.
We'll come and get you a picture.
If you're a birthday, I'll get you a picture.
That's the rule.
I'm missing class right now, actually.
So, I want to talk about why I'm so conservative and about immigration, because I think the dynamic's kind of been...
Alter it a little bit.
So my father, he grew up in Macau, China.
He moved here when he was 17 with his sister and his aunt because his parents wanted him to have better opportunities because America is the best country in the world.
And when he got here, the day he stepped in America, he began working on his process to become a citizen.
And they, reminder, they couldn't even speak English.
They didn't have, they lived in an apartment.
But he was so strong that that's the only way.
And that is the right way.
And that it should be the only way always.
And now that there's the dynamic that the system excludes immigrants, the system's unfair.
We should allow as many to come in as possible, really like was unfair to him.
And he would talk about when people say like, I hate America.
I hate living here.
He was the biggest patriot I knew, and he would always argue, like, move, live somewhere else, because he actually lived in a communist country and says this is the best country in the world and stands by it.
And so...
Now I'm pursuing politics in honor of him because he passed away about a year and a half ago.
And if he saw the direction the country was going in right now, he'd be disgusted because he found it so unfair.
Correct me if I'm wrong, there's like 10,000 to 15,000 immigrants coming in a day.
When he had to do it the fair way, he had to do it the hard way, but it's the only right way.
So I just wanted to talk about that.
Happy birthday, man.
Your dad sounds like a hero.
I'll give you three simple principles for immigration.
Think about this like your body.
Think about your nation like a body.
No migration without consent.
Consent should only be granted to migrants who benefit America, people like your father.
And by the way, if you enter without consent, you must be removed.
It's that simple.
Now, here's something we don't talk about often enough.
The real root cause of the immigration crisis is the welfare state in America.
So if you say to people that if you're going to enter this country and you're going to make contributions, and I believe you have to be able to speak English, and I think you should be able to pledge allegiance to this country, if you check all of those boxes, but also you cannot get any form of government assistance, welfare, Medicaid, any type of government aid for the next 10 years after you're here, 70 percent any type of government aid for the next 10 years after you're here, 70 percent of our immigration And so the problem is we've got this nanny state in America, and then we open the doors to anybody who wants to come in or lie about their basis for coming in.
That's how you get to the crisis we have today versus people like your dad who are going to say, you know what, I'm going to work hard.
I'm going to be self-sufficient, raise a son, a young man, and a son who's as engaged as you are right now.
Happy birthday to you on the age of 18. I think that that's the kind of thing that's a good story that's been bastardized into this mass illegal exodus from these other countries that we've seen.
So thank you, man.
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
We'll get a picture, too.
Thanks, man.
Yeah, so I kind of disagree.
So I'm a registered libertarian.
And again, I'm kind of concerned about the tariffs.
Being an Austrian-trained economist, my thinking on the situation is why not let China expand its credit and just fall into a debt trap spiral and, you know, reap the rewards of, you know, cheap goods from China and then...
Eventually they collapse.
So here's a real answer to that question.
So as a libertarian, have you ever read Hayek?
Yeah.
You read The Road to Serfdom?
Yep.
Good.
So in The Road to Serfdom, Hayek actually makes it clear that he's misunderstood today in the modern libertarian memory of it versus the real thing.
He says a nation cannot depend, for example, on an adversary for its own military.
Let me ask you just a question.
Do you know which nation is the biggest supplier of the U.S. military today?
You could probably guess it.
It's China.
It's China.
So it makes absolutely no sense, for example, for the United States to depend on China as the number one supplier of our air force, our military, including our army and our navy.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Forty percent of the semiconductors made for the U.S. Department of Defense come from China.
So even a principled libertarian like one of the OGs, like Friedrich von Hayek, would tell you that doesn't make any sense, yet that's where we are today.
Here's something also Austrian school economists would tell you is if somebody else is applying a big tariff or an unfair trading advantage to the United States, us saying that we have to play on a level playing field, that's not actually a violation of free market principles.
It's a recognition that the market was not free in the first place.
So those would be the two things I would leave you with.
And if you look at Donald Trump's actual record in his first four years, that's actually the way he led.
So that's where the actions speak louder than words.
Can I ask you a question?
Yeah, you can.
If there was a policy that made markets more free but hurt your country, would you support it?
What do you mean by hurt the country?
For example, during the 1970s and 80s, we decided to shut down a lot of factories and send those jobs to China because it made markets more free and we could get goods cheaper, but it obviously hurt the country.
So if there was a choice where it made markets freer and it did not hurt the country, would you support it?
No, because I think in the long run it actually helps the country and I think Reagan's administration kind of shows that.
See, I just approached it a little bit differently because we got three different views here.
One is I don't actually think that it made markets more free.
I think the idea of tipping those jobs to China when the government is actually subsidizing those industries was not actually the free market in the first place.
It was some made-up mercantilist myth that the CCP took advantage of laughing at a bunch of people who were at the old generations of conservatives from the 1980s who said that was free market capitalism.
When in fact that it wasn't.
I used to be an Austrian guy.
It's all a bunch of rubbish, right?
Because it's never worked, and it never will work.
It's all abstraction staring into the sky.
And let me tell you, when you go drive through Ohio and Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and you see the deindustrialization of this country, and we were told that it was a good thing, it just hasn't been.
And so, again, I went to all the Von Mises stuff.
I went to all the Hayek stuff.
The literature is very compelling, and there is some truth in the monetary policy of Austrian economics.
That is the strongest component, where they argue business cycles need to be organic, not artificial, and that the money supply component of Austrian economics is great.
However, when we get to trade, there needs to be a non-abstraction, more reality-focused way of looking at how we do trade, and we're just not going to necessarily agree on that.
Here's my opinion, is that The ultimate principle should be, is it good for the country, not is it good for the ideology?
And we've been having policy that's good for ideology, not for the country.
Yeah, so a question I have more for Vivek.
So I guess one tariff that definitely affects Americans that Trump's sort of having to come back around to is the electric car tariff.
So I agree entirely with the national defense argument.
That's part of the reason why Biden was Angola, to help secure critical resources from the DRC.
So I give credit to both candidates for doing that.
But electric cars, right?
Trump's now saying that you get 25K deduction.
So here's the deeper issue.
So why should taxpayers have to eat that cost instead of Chinese people subsidizing it overseas?
So you get to the real problem when you start using the word subsidizing.
Here's the real problem with electric cars is that taxpayers have been eating the cost since the advent of electric cars in the United States because taxpayers are paying for some guy in California to buy an electric vehicle at the expense of a guy who wants to buy a gas-powered car in Georgia or in the state of Ohio.
So that's the root cause in the first place.
So I would say that – see, here's the thing, and this is where I actually really agree with the bang of Charlie's statement, which is we've never really had the libertarian utopia because we were never operating according to capitalist principles in the first place.
So we've had – I mean the state subsidies in the first place – and Donald Trump's in favor of this, by the way.
He says – and I agree with this too.
I mean I'm a friend of Elon Musk.
I like the fact that he's got Tesla, and that's great.
We just shouldn't have the taxpayers paying for other EVs.
And the beauty of this is actually if we got rid of the EV subsidies – a lot of people don't know this – Tesla would actually be better off because a lot of the other Ford and GM and inefficient makers are the ones relying on government largesse in the first place.
And so in some ways we're in the worst of all worlds actually.
We're neither following Hayek or Mises, nor are we actually doing what's best for American workers or manufacturers.
And actually pick either of those options, it's going to be better than the state of affairs that exists today.
And I think Donald Trump, he's a pragmatist.
He gets it.
And so that's why to libertarians out there, you could look at a textbook and say that Donald Trump's not going to be your ideal candidate.
But if you look at who actually, over the course of four years in office, better follow those principles, no doubt about it, it's not even the libertarian candidate for U.S. president this time.
It's Donald Trump.
Thank you so much.
We got into other questions.
Thank you.
The main question is, like, it's for Charlie.
Like, why do you feel like the Civil Rights Act was a mistake?
So parts of it were really good.
Parts of it were not so good.
So, for example, the way the Civil Rights Act was constituted is that now it is being applied in ways that it was never intended.
For example, the Civil Rights Act is coming in to allow men in female locker rooms.
I don't know if you know that or not.
And so the Civil Rights Act has now been used as this major overarching standard that is not just about ending bitter racial segregation, which I'm against and you're against, right?
No person should ever be discriminated based on the color of their skin.
What the Civil Rights Act has done, passed through multiple decades, is the law of unintended consequences, that it's created this leviathan within the Department of Justice.
For example, let me give you just another example.
I have like 100 of these.
In the state of North Carolina, they wanted to say that you need voter ID in order to vote.
I don't know where you come down on that issue.
I think that requiring identification of vote is so normal, so simple, it is skin color.
It's colorblind, right?
Merrick Garland from the Department of Justice came in and sued and says you should not be able to ask for voter ID because of the Civil Rights Act.
Because it disproportionately hurts black Americans.
So what would happen is the Civil Rights Act, it did not target discrimination.
It targeted disparities.
And disparities is different than discrimination.
Does that make sense?
So individualized discrimination, we've always been against.
But what happens if you have one group that does better than another group?
There are other explanations for that other than racism.
Unfortunately, the Civil Rights Act, what it does is it goes back and says everything can be ascribed back to racism as our original sin.
Now, let me just go one final point, is that the fanfare that the Civil Rights Act is met with, it's almost like the new Constitution.
We talk about the Civil Rights Act more than the Constitution.
It is cited more than the Constitution.
We almost had a new American founding in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act, which, again, I want to be very clear, and I've always been...
No human being should ever be discriminated against because of the color of their skin.
That is always something we've agreed with.
it.
But the Civil Rights Act has become almost the super constitution of the land.
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Let me say a couple words because this is actually something that's near and dear to my heart.
The civil rights sector is part of a broader project that LBJ had called The Great Society.
And one of the things – I'm a pragmatist.
I'm a businessman by background.
I look at the results.
So let me share a couple of hard facts with you, which is that it turns out that you're much more likely to end up in prison.
You're much more likely to end up in poverty.
You're much more likely not to graduate from high school if you grow up in a single-parent household versus a dual-parent household.
Today, you're talking about upwards of 60% of black kids born into single-parent households rather than dual-parent.
What number do you think that was in the 1950s before the Great Society?
Probably like 40. It was even less, 20%.
Damn.
20% back then.
So then we look at what the results have been of this entire agenda.
Put the Civil Rights Act, put the LBJ Great Society.
Black Americans are worse off today, even economically in terms of mobility, than they were back then in the name of laws that were passed to supposedly advance black interests.
So the results haven't worked out so well.
I want to just bring it back to this election.
All right, and I'm going to ask you questions.
This is not like it's a grilling, but more because you have no reason to know the answers to these.
But we're close to politics, so I'm going to ask you these questions, all right?
So what do you think?
If you take the first three years of Donald Trump versus the first three years of Joe Biden, where we have data for it, were more blacks unemployed under Joe Biden, or were they unemployed under Donald Trump?
No, I think they were unemployed under Joe Biden.
That's correct.
So it's about 70,000 more black Americans were unemployed under Joe Biden.
Now look at the ones who are actually employed.
Of the black Americans who were employed, did they make more money under Donald Trump or more money under Joe Biden?
I wasn't working, so I wouldn't even know.
Fair enough.
It's about $1,500 more per year that black Americans earned under Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.
You want to talk about the number of black Americans who own the home they actually live in?
700,000 more own the home they lived in under Donald Trump's years versus Joe Biden.
So I end up judging on the basis of results.
And this started since LBJ. This was a bribe.
I think this was a bribe to black Americans, which earned 95% to 97% loyalty of black Americans to Democrats.
That is the single most loyal group to any political party in the history of our country.
97% of black Americans tend to vote for Democrats.
Without that, the Democratic Party is toast.
You have been part of the most loyal group to the Democratic Party.
The question is, what have you gotten in return for that loyalty?
I feel that.
And the answer is not very much, actually.
And I think Donald Trump, when you judge based on the results, has actually given you at least results, even if it's a little bit different than the rhetoric along the way.
And I do come down on the same side of Charlie with respect to the Great Society is that that, I think, in the name of helping black Americans was disastrous.
And I think what we would be better doing for all Americans is go back to the first constitution rather than the second one that we reinvented.
So my question to Charlie, if you had the opportunity, you would get rid of the Civil Rights Act?
No, I think you should have a one-page bill that says that racial discrimination based on race is illegal and will not be tolerated in the United States of America.
I would simplify it.
I would not have all...
So what happened is that the Civil Rights Act has nine different titles in it, and you have this Leviathan that was created, and something that most black Americans don't support is men and female sports.
Would you agree?
Wait, say that again?
Men playing in female sports.
Oh, hell no.
Yeah, I know.
No, no, for sure, right?
Believe it or not, the Civil Rights Act is now being used to keep men playing in women's sports.
So the Civil Rights Act was used to help black America originally.
Totally get that.
But now the way it was written is that any claim of identification...
So someone says, I'm a woman.
Therefore, I can compete in your volleyball team.
They come in with a civil rights claim.
And so what we're saying is, no, no, no.
It should be specified to racial, not gender, all that other stuff.
And there were all these other provisions as well.
All right.
And my, like, last question.
Do you think, like, if Trump come back into office, you think, like, Young Thug is getting free or, like, any of these people in jail?
Y'all know Young Thug?
Who's getting free?
Young Thug.
Is Young Thug getting free if Trump come back into office?
Would you vote for him if he promised a pardon?
Oh yeah, hell yeah.
If Young Thug was coming back, we need new music and stuff, so I feel like, yeah.
We'll pass that along.
Alright, I feel like.
Appreciate that.
What's your name again?
Gerald Gerald.
Nice to meet you, man.
Thank you.
Super good question.
Thank you.
Hello.
My name is Akilah.
I'm 18. I turned 18 in March, but I'm from Chicago, so I'm doing mail-in voting.
Oh, you are too.
That's cool.
Anyways, so basically in 2014, Venezuela went into a seven-year recession.
I'm just trying to give context for a situation for people that don't know, but like because of the president, Nicolas Maduro, basically it was like a government-controlled election.
So with that, like 8 million Venezuelans have left the country since 2014, and they have landed themselves in some of the major cities in the U.S., like Chicago, like Denver, like New York.
So with that, there has been an increase in crime, because I'm from Chicago, so I know that there's a problem with homelessness in 2023 when the Biden administration extended legal status to the immigrants if they had a work visa.
I'm just wondering, what further steps do you think America should take in policing the Venezuelan refugee crisis?
What can we do to help the Venezuelans in the source?
Because also in August of 2017, I know that Trump proposed a military option, and he kind of nodded to the 1989 US invasion of Panama, where they deposed the leader.
I'm sorry, I'm trying to make this short.
But I also want to preface, I'm voting for Kamala Harris, but I'm not here to make politically charged statements.
So yeah, just like, what do you think, regardless of who's president after the election, what do you think should be done about the crisis?
Well, just, I want to just, I'm not here to pin, but I would have you reconsider your choice for Kamala Harris if you care about the Venezuelans in these cities.
Because she'll just, you'll have another 20 million people come into these cities.
And you know it's tearing Chicago apart.
I mean, yeah, because in 2023 or something like that, about 300, over 300,000 Venezuelan refugees came to the U.S. border.
It'll be 3 million if she's elected, just so you're clear, okay?
Sure.
So what will Donald Trump do?
Very simple.
On day one, if you have committed a crime, including a DUI, you're deported back to your country of origin.
Period.
That if you commit a crime on American soil, we're not going to house you, we're not going to feed you, we're not going to put you in prison.
You get back on a flight and you go back there.
Number two, if you are part of a gang, like Trendale Raga, which is taking over apartment complex in Chicago or Aurora, Colorado, get back on a plane and you go back.
Then from there, you have to have a plan of a deportation effort with Immigration Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security.
But Vivek can take this.
All of that is all applicable only if you secure the border or else you just keep on trying to get the basement to stop flooding without actually trying to plug the leak.
So I've been to the south side of Chicago.
I've seen exactly what you describe as well.
I'm just curious, knowing what you do, because you were pretty well informed in that question.
I actually think a lot of this is intentional in countries like Venezuela.
They're smart.
They're not sending us their best and brightest.
They're sending us the people who are criminals over there that become criminals over here.
And they're laughing at us at every step of the way.
And we're giving them foreign aid, by the way.
One other thing I would do, and I think Donald Trump's on the same page here, is cut off foreign aid to these countries unless and until they've stopped exporting these illegals to our own country as well.
But my question for you is, knowing as much as you do about this border crisis and seeing how much it's worsened in the last three years, why on earth are you voting for Kamala Harris who's actually been part of the administration that gave us this crisis in the first place?
Okay, well, you know, like I said, I'm not really here to make politically charged statements.
That's fair enough.
No, no, no, I get it.
I'm just saying because, like, I'm going to be honest, I'm not too well-versed on, like, actual policies that aren't regarding that specifically because I kind of had to write a research paper on it.
Have you voted yet?
No, I'm a mail-in voter.
Okay, so can you just, we got time, we got time.
So all I would say is you see somebody who is so well-versed in this issue because you're actually far ahead of Republican and Democrat politicians on this issue.
Oh, yeah.
You know way more than U.S. senators on this.
Oh, like many U.S. senators.
So just take a look in the same way you have at that issue.
Take a look at energy policy.
Is the U.S. better off when we drill more or when we drill less?
Okay.
When we look at how prices gone up over the last four years, we've had the biggest spike in prices that we've had probably in your lifetime as wages have stayed flat and Donald Trump, it was reverse.
Just consider that there's a different way.
It doesn't have to stay this way.
You're 18. How old are you?
Yes.
Fresh.
So you're 18. In some ways, all you've grown up into, right?
Consider the possibility there's a better way.
Okay, there's a better alternative.
And before you cast that ballot, look at the crisis for the Venezuelans here and of this country for that influx of illegals.
That's happening in every other domain from violent crime to our economy to now what will happen on the global stage on the brink of World War III. There's still time to consider a different possibility.
Don't do what somebody else told you, not me, not Charlie, not MSNBC, not anybody else.
Just think about it yourself and make an independent choice.
And I have a feeling you might be open to changing your mind.
Honestly, I'm going to be honest, I'm not open to changing my mind.
That's just because I've seen, like, I support immigration.
I don't support when criminals are doing bad things in the country.
But I also don't support it When you take what this small group did and you try to say that the entire group is doing it.
And I do agree that there should...
My roommate's over there.
But I do agree that there should be, like, asylum checks or something like that to ensure the criminals don't get into the country.
But I'm voting against Donald Trump because my friends, I have friends that have parents that are illegal immigrants.
Personally, I'm African American, so I've been here my whole life, generations.
But don't you think that African Americans should be given priority over illegals?
I mean, I think that American citizens should be given priority over people that are committing crime in the country that aren't from here.
Let me ask you, did you have a vacation this summer in a luxury hotel paid for by taxpayers?
I'm very broke, so no.
Yeah, so just so you know, if you break into America, they'll put you up in a luxury hotel in midtown Manhattan.
Yeah, I actually, I did see a lot of that from my friends that are from Mexico.
Is your phone paid for by U.S. taxpayers?
Uh, no.
Wait, is it?
I don't know.
No, it's not.
Sorry, I don't know.
You're probably paying for it.
What I'm getting at is that black Americans are treated far worse than illegals in this country.
And we have violated our social contract to our own citizens.
And I just want you to think about that.
Okay.
Is that if you break into America, you get a flight to the city of your choosing, you get taxpayer-funded luxury hotels, you get a taxpayer-funded phone, taxpayer-funded food stamps, whereas many Americans are struggling to even make ends meet.
So, thank you so much for coming.
Hold on, sorry.
I do completely respect your viewpoint on that.
I'm just saying, once again, that we should keep in mind that it's not everyone.
Like, some of these people genuinely need aid.
And also, I just want to go back to what I was...
Sorry.
I was...
Trying to go back to what I was saying about what should we do in America, not more so regarding deportation, but for the crimes that are happening already.
Because there are crimes happening against Venezuelans.
Even in Chicago, there was a migrant that was killed in December of 2023 in Gage Park.
And then there are Chicagoans that are warning people to stay neutral, to stay out of the violence.
So I'm just wondering what you would think that we should do about that.
I have a question.
So what part of Chicago are you from?
Inglewood.
Yeah, that's rough.
Wow.
Okay, I'm from the suburbs of Chicago.
Thanks.
So not...
No, I mean...
From Naperville?
Yeah, no.
Wheeling, Arlington Heights area.
Northwest suburbs.
Slay?
Yeah.
Slay?
So what do you think the clearance rate for murder...
I don't expect you to clearances.
So let's say 10 people are murdered in Chicago.
Out of those 10, how many of those cases will be solved on average, do you think?
I don't know.
Do you know the answer?
Yeah.
And it's not a pop quiz.
No, okay.
It's half.
So half of all murders go unsolved in Chicago.
It's because we don't have enough police.
And so we need to hire a lot more police in Chicago, a lot more detectives.
And let them do their jobs.
And let them do their jobs.
Yes.
Also, yeah.
You know, keep in mind, the over-policing of black and brown areas is also a bit much.
It does.
Do you think there's over-policing in Englewood?
No.
Oh, no.
No, no, no, no.
I live there, so I know.
No, this is interesting.
No, no, hold on.
So show me one city in America that's over-policed.
You got me on that one, buddy.
Well, no, it's not a gotcha because, no, I just want to say it doesn't exist.
No, I don't care that much.
I'm not pinpointing you.
I hear this all the time, over-policing.
Show me anywhere in the United States of America that's over-policed.
I want to visit there and move and build a house.
It doesn't exist.
It's all BS. Slay.
I'm not trying to...
I'm saying, though, that it's like even an Englewood of your home, there's not enough police there.
You would agree, right?
Um, kinda, but...
Is it over-policed?
No, it's not over-policed.
I think it's regularly policed.
Okay, I'm just getting to the essence, though.
We have to stop the talking points and ask the question, is there even a place that's over-policed in America?
It doesn't exist.
Alright, thank you very much.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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