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Oct. 2, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show

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THOUGHTCRIME SPECIAL: Vance vs. Walz

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	Okay, everybody, our instant reaction to J.D.
	Vance v. Tim Walz.
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	What you just witnessed was, without a doubt, I think the most dominant, most lopsided debate performance in nearly 50 years.
	That was gruesome.
	That was everything we hoped for.
	I just want to say on a personal note here, and I know we have Andrew and Blake, and I have to try to not lose my voice, I have a lozenge.
	I personally hear- You saved your voice for this though, Trevor.
	No, this is the moment, right?
	I just want to say, I personally feel so vindicated right now because I put probably more than- Nebraska would probably be number two or three, but the most amount of political capital in a single thing in the last year of everything we've worked towards, social media, events, towards making J.D.
	the vice presidential selection, that's really what I focused on.
	And people were doubting. They said, oh, you know, he can't do it and he's not up to it.
	Tonight, he showed the country he was presidential, he was poised, he was compassionate, he was precise,
	he was so good on the numbers. I was, I'm just so vindicated.
	He was confident. I was so happy when he just steamrolled them on that.
	On moderators.
	on that Haitian like they're legal no that's bullcrap you can get a phone app and fly into
	America on parole I just loved how he steamrolled them on that. This was without a doubt one of the
	most one-sided lopsided victories in presidential debate history. Tim Walz looked like a sad little
	puppy and JD Vance did so well against those three women.
	It was just remarkable to see how he was able to juggle and navigate.
	And let's just say, there was only one good cross-examination from CBS News where it was the Hong Kong thing, which was so damning.
	We gotta show that.
	Besides that, all the questions were against J.D.
	All of the narratives against JD.
	And JD, without a doubt, triumphantly won this debate.
	No question.
	And as someone who is a friend of JD, I spoke to JD last night.
	I was texting him all my debate advice.
	I was like, you got to do this.
	You got to do that.
	Which actually is kind of cool to be like a front row seat in kind of shaping what a vice presidential person will say.
	Kind of awesome, to be honest.
	It's kind of surreal.
	I mean, we were talking behind the scenes.
	I solicited all your advice.
	Yeah, you were soliciting, like, what should we tell him?
	What should he be prepared for?
	How should he phrase things?
	And I'm very glad that we thought seriously about it.
	I'm glad you sent it to him.
	I'm glad he listened.
	And I'm extremely glad that it all worked out.
	out. And I mean, for example, the top line advice was make sure you mention the
	320,000 missing kids. Make sure you mention that she's the current VP and
	don't let her off of that. Make sure you come across as compassionate. If
	there's a good idea that Tim Wall says, don't be afraid to say, you know, I
	agree with part of that because you are the softer side of this ticket because
	you have the brute force of Donald Trump. People built up so much that, oh,
	Vance is an attack dog.
	He goes on to meet the press and just takes out people and is really aggressive.
	And it's like they weren't aware that, oh wait, there's another dimension to JD Vance.
	It's the guy who wrote a memoir.
	It's the guy who has like a very compelling life story.
	The guy who can be the softer edge of this mega agenda.
	And it was totally unprepared, and he was able to sell that very strongly, where it was the mix of firmness where he needed it, but he also has the ability to kind of do what, you know, you would not see Trump do, which is like, OK, you know, you know, you might not agree with everything we do, but X, Y and Z.
	It was such a great compliment to what Trump brings to politics, and Walls was totally not ready for it.
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	You just witnessed a bloodbath, and as someone who was honored enough to help, you know, text JD some thoughts, and he was super nice about it.
	Again, I don't want to say I was on the debate prep team.
	That goes a little too far, but he certainly received and internalized the conversation I had with him, and was texting with him a lot, and he was super great about it, honestly, and he's been a friend for quite a while.
	Andrew, can you mention to the audience how we should all feel vindicated here on The Charlie Kirk Show?
	We were kind of the spearhead, the tip of the spear, if you will, of trying to get JD Vance to be the VP.
	My phone is lighting up like a Christmas tree right now.
	People that hate Trump that say they're voting for Trump because of tonight.
	Andrew, your thoughts about tonight?
	Well, I mean, Charlie, you don't give yourself enough credit.
	I mean, this was... I mean, I don't want to say names out of You know, respect for the privacy of those conversations.
	But there are people that you would know in this audience that basically say Charlie was responsible for getting J.D.
	Vance as the VP.
	Now, J.D.
	Vance is responsible for becoming VP.
	He's excellent.
	He's talented.
	Any of us who are his supporters could not claim that.
	I mean, he did a phenomenal job both tonight, I mean, this is such a vindication, but there
	are people also that people in this audience would know, very, very famous people, well-known
	people that I'll never forget, Charlie, walking with you at the RNC after, actually before
	and after JD Vance was announced, that were giving us death glares and daggers, stares,
	because they knew that we were supporting JD, maybe they were backing other people.
	I mean, some of the grudges that were held, because it was essentially our guy that got the pick, Those are stories for maybe a book sometime much later, but right now it's just a time to celebrate what a success, what a triumph, what a vindication, and just how proud we are of this guy for prosecuting the case so successfully against Walsh, but also against Kamala.
	He hit all the marks, Charlie.
	He hit all the marks.
	Everything we said, right?
	didn't bring up inflation for a long time, but he wouldn't let them forget it.
	He kept bringing it up in the midst of everything.
	He kept bringing up the border, the affordability crisis.
	And I just have to echo what Blake said, the fact that he would not let them get
	away with saying, well, fact check, these are legal immigrants.
	Well, I'm sorry, you don't just wave a magic wand and a bunch of people that
	applied on an app get instantly paroled.
	That's not the way immigration works.
	That's not the way the citizens of this country think immigration should work.
	That's called a scam, and we're the mark.
	And J.D.
	Vance wouldn't let him get away with it.
	Bravo.
	And then they cut his mic, which I thought made them look terrible.
	So, again, Charlie, you deserve so much credit.
	I'm so proud of you.
	I'm so proud of your instincts.
	So proud of our team, because we were all unanimous behind J.D.
	Vance.
	And what a night just to celebrate This great leader that America's blessed to have.
	Guys, I'll tell you, this was a huge night, and credit to President Trump for selecting J.D.
	Vance and trusting his instincts.
	I want to take you a little bit back during the RNC.
	Remember, this was one of the craziest weeks of my life.
	I could write a book about, like, July 4th.
	If we win, we should just write the book.
	We should just do the oral history of the 2024 campaign.
	You can write it.
	I mean, you're a talented writer.
	So, let me tell you.
	I'm on this ridiculous behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign to get J.D.
	the VP.
	Trump gets shot.
	It's the RNC and the decision's still not made.
	It was Sunday night, the night before the RNC, I'm speaking the next day, and I was up till 1 a.m.
	calling senators, calling Dan Bongino, being like, yo, we all have to place calls into Trump, like, we need J.D.
	to be the guy.
	Got up at 5 a.m., slept four hours, and I was just, like, working the phones, being like, has Trump made his mind, Trump's mind.
	There was a huge lobbying campaign for other non-vance candidates of, you know, let's just say, other garden varieties of conservatism that we don't believe in.
	And Trump rejected all of that and trusted his gut and made J.D.
	Vance the vice presidential nominee, which was just remarkable and really credit to President Trump.
	By the way, an instant poll from Frank Luntz says that people believe that J.D.
	Vance won 10 to 3.
	Yes.
	I just asked, I was like, okay, we're in our bubble, so we may think so.
	I wanted to ask someone outside of our bubble.
	So this is a, I don't want to say who, but like a person who covers politics, not a conservative.
	And I just said, what did you think of things?
	And he said, if Democrats lose, some of these walls, screw ups, not the word he used, will be famous for decades.
	Genuinely bad stuff.
	He said the optics were better for Vance, his answers were better.
	He thought the only thing that he was off on was the January 6th answers, and it was just because he said Vance's answers seemed too slick.
	Which, you know, that's a tough topic to talk about.
	So, and I want to play some of the clips here, which I think is important from the debate.
	JD won on every single topic throughout.
	January 6th stuff I think was probably a tie.
	But he won on immigration, he won on the climate, he won on abortion.
	He won on every single one of them.
	Let's play here a recap of, for example, on the Middle East.
	This is the crisis happening right now.
	We might be entering World War III.
	Israel might be bombing Iran any moment.
	This is cut 79.
	Now to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.
	People were afraid of stepping out of line.
	Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
	What do they use that money for?
	They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.
	Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
	They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.
	Now you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.
	Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
	I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.
	I mean, it was a perfect answer.
	You go through topic by topic.
	JD absolutely crushed it.
	It was a 10 out of 10 type performance.
	And the instant polls, by the way, are showing 60, 70, 80% of people think that JD Vance won.
	We're going to get more of it as we're monitoring all of the news feed here.
	So, Blake, this is the last debate before the election.
	This could be very, very consequential.
	And also, people want to say, is there any other dimension of Trump I haven't seen?
	And I think this is important, is a lot of people think they know everything about Trump, but they didn't know about his running mate.
	And he excelled on display tonight.
	He did, and it was in multiple dimensions, I think.
	He both gave a good argument for his candidate, which is what you need every vice president to do.
	He's saying there was all this chaos under Biden.
	There wasn't chaos under Trump.
	The economy was better under Trump.
	He's making a great case for his candidate while at the same time giving this great alternative
	perspective for people who aren't the biggest Trump fans in the world.
	He's able to make people think, okay, like the guy who's advising Trump, the guy who
	succeeds Trump is not a maniac.
	He's not, he seems quite competent.
	He's understands what the issues are.
	And he's also a more empathetic guy than Trump in a way.
	And it just captures so many things that, you know, Trump is a very strong political
	force, but he's not perfect on everything.
	And Vance really, he fills in all of the gaps in a very balanced way.
	And as you say, it's the last debate of this cycle.
	And it's also one that's coming at a very high salience point where we have all these crises popping out.
	And so I said beforehand, past vice presidential debates haven't mattered.
	We don't know for sure if this one will matter, but if it is going to matter, we're in.
	Everything has come to pass the way we would hope it would.
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	I want to get Tyler in on the conversation here, but first, let's go to the back and forth here.
	Again, this is one of the clips that's going viral.
	I think he misspoke, but he said it twice.
	Let's play Cut 85.
	Yeah, I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.
	I've become friends with school shooters.
	I've seen it.
	He said it twice.
	It just wasn't great, okay?
	This guy was not in his game.
	He's not very bright.
	He wasn't crisp.
	It was bad, okay?
	Right?
	Tyler or Andrew, do you guys want to chime in here?
	I mean, it is bad.
	He did it twice.
	I'm sure he's not friends with school shooters.
	I'm sure it's just a mistake, possibly.
	I mean, go ahead, Tyler, because we're just welcoming you in.
	But I have thoughts.
	No, no, I mean, it was the best part of the entire night, which is like him and everyone's allowed him to speak.
	But that's like the worst misspoken.
	He did it twice.
	Debate moment, maybe in the history of all debate.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, I mean, other than him, also, I mean, China answer.
	Where's the China one?
	We need to get the tape on that.
	That was so awkward.
	It was so strange.
	Do you know what was so interesting about the China one, if we can get that?
	He was so unprepared for CBS to treat him like a regular candidate.
	He was like, are you asking me a follow-up question?
	So usually I'm allowed to not give an answer and you guys just go on.
	And, you know, one of the Lib women was like, no, no, no, actually, you know, And I think he was caught off guard.
	That was a story that broke this afternoon.
	CNN's K-File dropped it.
	He is a pathological liar.
	I think this is the exchange.
	Ryan thinks it's cut 82.
	Play cut 82.
	The Vice President is often the last voice the President hears before making consequential decisions.
	We want to ask you about your leadership qualities.
	Governor Walz, you said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989.
	But Minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.
	Can you explain that discrepancy?
	Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town of 400, town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
	My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.
	Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?
	All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.
	So I will just, that's what I've said.
	This guy has lied about this.
	So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in.
	And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.
	Thank you, Godwin.
	That pause there was so bad.
	I love that Tim Waltz face.
	It's like... That dead air.
	Wait, we have a tribute.
	We have a tribute to the many faces of Tim Waltz losing.
	Hold on.
	Brian, what number is this?
	This is 91.
	We have to play it.
	This is a tribute to Tim Waltz.
	And the arms of the angels fly away from here From this dark, cold, cold place
	From this dark, cold, cold place Oh, that is so good.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Dude, I am offended.
	I am offended that that guy called us weird.
	Like, that guy was the weirdest looking old guy the entire time that debate.
	JD Vance looked like a blue-eyed... Literally, all these girls were like, I didn't realize JD was so handsome.
	I didn't realize he had such Striking eyes.
	It's all over Instagram.
	Girls and moms are like, I'm voting for J.D.
	Vance now.
	We won over so many people.
	So many.
	And this is what's important, Tyler.
	Because the media lies.
	This was the epitome of People realizing, and this might be the moment that's most important about this debate, is that anyone that watched this debate realized, oh my gosh, the media has been lying to us again.
	JD Vance is a normal dude.
	He's Conquered, Collected, Masterclass, and just ignoring the moderators.
	And Tim Walz is weird.
	He's the actual weird one.
	I can't believe he fell for that.
	I want to just say, in an election that might come down to 10,000 votes in Georgia, or 20,000 votes in Arizona, this matters a ton, everybody.
	This shows a softer side of Trump, but yet precise.
	Not weak, but empathetic, with a balance to it that the media says doesn't exist.
	And it's all an energy game.
	It's all an energy game, too.
	We got the win.
	We should be excited.
	You should get your friends excited.
	Go vote right now.
	If your state has voting open, go tomorrow morning and vote.
	Yeah.
	Do you have a ballot?
	Fill it out right now and put on a stamp.
	Stick it in your mailbox if you're voting that way.
	Well, Charlie, you and I both were talking to all our moderate, kind of never-Trumper friends.
	Very close family would be those types of people.
	Republicans, but never Trumpers.
	And they were so reassured.
	I think you had the same experience.
	So many people were just so reassured by the tone, the graciousness, the gentlemanliness, the civility, the ability to kind of disagree agreeably, if you will, despite some pretty heated disagreements.
	They were so assured by what they saw.
	and J.D. Vance. I mean, I believe this is the sort of 2016 come home equivalent, where
	you're going to have a lot of people that were sort of, you know, there's not willing
	to say it out loud that they were going to vote for Trump.
	And now they're like, OK, well, so two things. So Kamala Harris does better with
	registered Democrats than Trump does with registered Republicans.
	That's a fact.
	Because there are still registered Republicans that don't want to come home because of the Bush-Cheney-McCain thing.
	This helped tonight.
	This helped a lot tonight.
	A lot.
	And helps bring them home.
	And secondly, we can't forget that the people that would willing to watch a debate like this are higher propensity, right Tyler?
	And higher educated.
	A vice presidential debate, by definition, is not your plumber, your waitress, your waiter, your police officer.
	Nothing against them, okay?
	Those tend to be lower propensity.
	These are suburban moms, college-educated.
	They tend to care a lot about politics.
	They look at a lot of the issues.
	Tyler, can you explain how the VP debate is actually to win over higher prop voters, more swing and independent voters, less about driving turnout?
	Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you in your analysis here, which is that J.D., again, gave a masterclass.
	This may be one of, I think, one of the best debate performances I've seen out of anybody from the last four elections I can remember.
	I mean, I literally was watching here.
	I didn't really know what to expect.
	We know J.D.
	and we know how great he is.
	But the way that he carried himself is exactly the tone, the tenor, the look that is going to give people who aren't sure about Trump The confidence to know, oh wow, he's got people around him, especially his VP, who is way, way, way better of a candidate than Kamala or this guy, Tim Waltz, who looks like, I don't know what his haircut was all about, by the way, too.
	We didn't talk about that.
	But Tim Waltz looked bad.
	And he looked about the same amount of bad of how he answered all his questions.
	And so people that are watching that don't really know JD because he's been portrayed as, I don't know what, quite frankly, from a lot of people, especially the moms that are like, Oh, yeah, don't look at him.
	He's weird.
	He's odd.
	We don't want to listen to him about abortion.
	We don't want to see all these things.
	Everything he said, I think, including some of the most unfair questions that he was given, he answered so And he said, hey, look, you know, I know some people disagree with me.
	That's why I believe that people can vote.
	Hey, I know people disagree with me.
	That's why, you know, I listen to people.
	I talk to people.
	Hey, you know, there are some things here that are soft and we can talk about, and there's a lot of nuance and, you know, I'm your guy that you want to listen to.
	And that is an edge that Trump does not have.
	And so when people see that and they ask that question, who's the last person that Trump's going to talk to before he makes big decisions?
	You can't help but look at this debate and say, it is a no-brainer.
	You want JD in that room and not a Tim Walz.
	100%.
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	Okay.
	Let's go Cut 95 here.
	This is reaction from CNN as I sign more hats here on Hat Mountain.
	Play Cut 95.
	I think there was a clear lack of preparation and execution here on Wall Street.
	I think actually it's the opposite.
	I think he had too much preparation.
	Maybe, yeah.
	He had so many lines that he was clearly trying to say that he didn't listen and when J.D.
	Vance said one of the many, many things he really hit Kamala Harris on, not Tim Walz, but Kamala Harris, he didn't respond because he clearly had things in his mind.
	I think the lack of interviews that he has done Well, maybe because he actually talks to the media.
	That would be why.
	By the way, just so we're clear, somebody in the media has come out and said the following.
	J.D. Vance is much more experienced at this, at public speaking, at defending himself,
	at pivoting.
	Oh, maybe because he actually talks to the media.
	That would be why.
	By the way, just so we're clear, somebody in the media has come out and said the following.
	Blake, I think you said it.
	They are, yeah, ABC News, Lindsay Davis, I want to get this clip, just compared Tim Walz's
	debate performance to Joe Biden's debate performance.
	Democrats are completely freaking out.
	Not a good comparison.
	This is a bad night.
	By the way, again, they're going to say, oh, it doesn't matter.
	Guys, this is the last debate.
	I mean, you might not think it matters, but we're here trying to get Republicans to come home, right?
	We're trying to hear to win over some suburban voters.
	We're here to try to win over swing high propensity voters because we're winning with lower propensity voters.
	This went a long way to be able to get Donald Trump more comfortable in suburban America.
	Andrew, you and I, I could read some of these texts from anti-Trumpers, I'm all in, he has my vote, I'm voting for Vance Trump.
	Literally, an anti-Trumper texted me and said, I'm voting for Vance Trump.
	It's like, that's the reason I'm voting.
	So this really adds a layer to the Trump movement that didn't exist previously.
	And let's just be clear.
	One more thing I have to say.
	I'm sorry, Andrew.
	A lot of thoughts come to me.
	It should have been Josh Shapiro.
	But the Democrat Party hates Jews so much... They blinked.
	They were freaking out.
	They blinked.
	Imagine Josh... Josh Shapiro would have crushed it tonight.
	He's very talented, very slick.
	He would have had a very personal... He could have talked very personally about all the stuff going on.
	The Pennsylvania!
	And by the way, so instead they went DEI, which Tim Walz is the first white DEI pick in presidential history because they try to win over white voters.
	Oh yeah, we're gonna have a guy live-action role-playing in a camo hat.
	And DEI doesn't work, everybody.
	Don't choose people because of the color of their skin.
	Tim Walz is evidence of that, okay?
	Do not do that.
	Josh Shapiro was objectively the better candidate, okay?
	He talks like a Jewish Obama.
	He's super, super talented.
	No, I don't mean that, like, derogatory.
	Like, he's, like, very talented.
	And Pennsylvania is super important.
	No, and so, so, Andrew, kind of, can you riff on this here?
	I think it's super important for you to kind of, for us to build out that Tim Walz was outmatched, outflanked, not prepared, and in an election that could be decided by 100,000 votes, tonight matters a lot.
	Yeah, here's the part that is really key for people to understand.
	This is the last flavor of debate season.
	This is the last piece of energy that's gonna get injected into the veins of the American voting public.
	And the taste is not sweet if you're a Democrat, it's bitter.
	You realize that you just picked a white nobody from a know nothing state,
	I love Minnesota, don't get me wrong, but it's not Pennsylvania when it comes to swing states.
	And you picked him because he was a boring white guy Not because he could speak well or articulate the points, but because he walks around in drag conservative apparel like he's some normal guy.
	But he's not.
	He's a guy that's a radical on abortion.
	He's a radical on trans.
	He failed miserably when it came to George Floyd.
	He's weak, he's a little toady.
	He's a little compliant toady.
	It's like a lapdog for Kamala Harris and the DEI capture of the Democrat party.
	And I think it's totally a fair comment to say he's the first DEI pick, a white DEI pick in history.
	And you get the results and they're terrible.
	We have a very important new member, by the way.
	I wanna read it off.
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	Let's play some more tape here and reaction.
	By the way, it is just an overwhelming bloodbath of people that say, Tim Walz did terribly.
	I wish we would have gotten a Stolen Valor.
	I wish we would have talked Minneapolis.
	This guy is so flawed, but this is very important.
	Let's play Cut in 94.
	Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.
	A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.
	Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it.
	Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.
	Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.
	Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.
	If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.
	It was just perfectly delivered.
	Tyler, this is the last gasp here.
	Ballots are coming out in Arizona next week.
	Ballots are already coming out in Wisconsin and parts of Pennsylvania.
	There's no more debates.
	Trump now can use this as jet fuel, and then he has a huge day Saturday.
	Donald Trump is returning the butler on Saturday.
	Whoa!
	Big.
	So you have the VP win, Trump back in Butler.
	Really good for that.
	Remember I said Trump is the best closer.
	He's got the energy.
	He wants to win so bad.
	He wants to win so bad.
	It was just funny seeing Trump on Truth Social while Jay... He was so proud.
	It was great.
	It was really great.
	Different approaches to politics, definitely.
	But Tyler, this is now, this is the fourth quarter.
	Remember we're saying we're not in the fourth quarter yet.
	We are now in the fourth quarter.
	Yeah, and I was going to say, J.D.
	sort of did what we talked about Trump should have done the last debate, I think, which was frame the debate and say, you're going to hear a lot about what she, or in this case, he is going to say all night.
	And I'm going to keep answering the same answers, like, well, why hasn't she done it yet?
	Why hasn't she done it yet?
	Why hasn't she done it yet?
	And I think JD could have even done it a little bit more, but that clip exhibited exactly that.
	And I think that is the best thing you could leave.
	Again, you say taste in the mouth of voters, and you're like, that's the taste that is got to stick with voters.
	And this is the easy sell out the door.
	When you're talking to people who are chasing ballots, we're trying to get people to vote, remember to vote is say, look, this is really simple.
	Kamala Harris has been there.
	Why hasn't she done any of this stuff?
	You cannot possibly think that there's any chance, any hope at all, that things are going to get better because she's been there and she's literally promising all this stuff that she could have been doing the entire time.
	And I thought that was probably the strongest part that I hope was the Uh, you know, the takeaway for most people who are watching this and maybe watching JD for the first time is this dude's right.
	You know, I don't know what this Tim Waltz guy is talking about.
	He looks worse than I thought.
	You know, the media told me he looked like, and I thought he was a cool coach and he looks like a, you know, tales from the crypt, bad haircut, weirdo who can't answer why he lies all the time.
	And you got J.D.
	who is literally saying, hey, why isn't she doing this?
	He's saying to calm, cool, and collected.
	That's what we have to do and emulate as a conservative movement for the next 34 days.
	It is very simple to people.
	Motivate yourself, motivate your friends and family to vote because this person's lying to you and it's not going to get better.
	I totally agree with that.
	And look, now we have the momentum.
	And this is the final kind of, this is the final countdown, the final push, if you will.
	And I would much rather be us than them.
	And credit to Trump for talking about, for selecting J.D.
	And let's talk about the age difference here.
	How old is Tim Walz, exactly?
	Sixty, I believe.
	Sixty, exactly.
	So that's a twenty year age gap.
	He's an old 60.
	This is important.
	Hold on.
	Some people say it wasn't a fair fight.
	Tim Walz has been in politics for like 25 years.
	Yeah.
	He's been in politics for more than how old the Delta between the age.
	He's been in Congress.
	He's been in a governor.
	JD's been in politics for two years.
	Yeah.
	JD was raised as a hillbilly and was in the Marine Corps.
	Only came onto the national scene in any way in 2016.
	And yet JD was, he's a natural at this.
	And Donald Trump building a good team.
	Bill Ackman who you and I both respect and support.
	Let me read this tweet.
	I want your reaction to it.
	You can judge the quality of a leader, Bill Ackman says, by the talent and intelligence of their direct reports.
	Strong leaders hire team members that are smarter than they are.
	Weak leaders hire weak direct reports.
	They don't want to be outshone by the people they employ.
	JD vs. Tim Walz is a clear reference check on Donald Trump and Kamala Harris and their ability to identify and recruit talent.
	Your thoughts Blake.
	One, that's totally true, but you could even expand on that.
	Good leaders, they keep people around them because people want to be around them, both because they like the leader and because they can sense that that leader is going places, will achieve things, and if they're around them, they can achieve things too.
	And what do we know about Kamala, of course?
	We know that Kamala can't keep staff around, that they don't like being with her, and that's really incredible because, again, think about what we've seen Kamala do.
	She might just She stumbled her way almost by accident into being a nominee for president.
	That was obviously a possibility, yet no one wanted to stay in her office her first three years in Washington.
	You could be right next to a person who could be the next president of the United States and no one wanted to work for her.
	That really should be talked about more as an utterly damning indictment of her case to be president.
	Let's see the media reaction here.
	Let's go through this.
	Let's play Cut 97.
	J.D.
	Vance came to this debate to land a bunch of punches, and he did.
	Tim Walz was not prepared.
	97.
	I think we shouldn't lose track, I think even in the civility of the fact that J.D.
	Vance came to this debate to land a bunch of punches, and he did.
	He landed a lot of punches in between all the niceties and all of that.
	And the thing that really stood out to me was that Tim Walz did not seem prepared for it.
	That's not a good grade from CNN at all.
	Let's go here to Rachel Maddow saying that Tim Walz beat him on the substantive points, but JD Vance was polished and slick.
	This is code, by the way, of JD Vance crushed it.
	Okay, let's play Cut 99.
	A cordial debate between these two men.
	I wouldn't describe them as evenly matched because they are so different.
	So different in style and so different on substance.
	Very interested to hear from the spin room, to hear from all of my colleagues here, to get to all of the analysis that we're going to get to.
	I think the big picture takeaway from this is that one of these candidates is much slicker than the other, is a much more practiced and professional debate style speaker.
	And the other candidate won.
	On every issue on substance, J.D.
	Vance was very polished and very slick, and Tim Walz beat him on all the substantive points.
	At least that was my take on it.
	Wait, wait, hold on, Rachel.
	Which one is it that's more polished?
	The one that's been in politics for two years or 20 years?
	Which one is it exactly?
	Andrew, the media is not really sure how to deal... Oh, we have Jack in.
	Can we get Jack in this?
	Great.
	So let's pipe in Jack here.
	Jack, your reaction of the bloodbath otherwise called the VP debate?
	Well, look, I tweeted earlier tonight that Tim Walz may not have been at the Tiananmen Square massacre,
	but he was certainly at the VP debate massacre.
	We all saw it in real time.
	Look, I'm here at Trump International in New York City right now.
	JD was just was conducting his final debate prep just upstairs from where I am.
	This was the sort of social media spin room that we were doing tonight,
	and it graciously allowed me to use the room for the remainder of the evening while we're on here.
	And look, I just have to say just sitting in the room of Lena Hava was here and so many others from the campaign,
	as well as just a lot of influencers from across Twitter and Instagram.
	And look, people were just very elated.
	I mean, you look at a debate like this and Tim Walz just flustered from the first moment.
	He never really seemed to gain his footing throughout the entire debate.
	And even on layups, like, you know, asking where they really helped him out on things like climate change or and trying to fact check JD Vans when they didn't fact check anything else or anyone else.
	when they asked him, what do you think of the accusations, Tim?
	And specifically brought up, they led him back to his script a few times.
	That's what CBS did everything they could to help Tim Walz out and it wasn't enough
	because he just came across as weird, as flustered, never gained his footing during the debate.
	And this was something where, again, like you're saying there,
	he's supposed to be the guy who's done this his entire career,
	Vance kind of just picked this up as like a, it was almost like a hobby.
	And Donald Trump is someone who picked this up as, not a hobby, is that the right word, but just something that they didn't want to initially do.
	I guess evocation would probably be the best word for it.
	Something they didn't, you know, intend to do with their lives, but realized that they had to because they weren't able to live the lives they wanted to live, didn't want to Let their children grow up in a country that was turning into.
	So you have these people coming as complete outsiders to politics and just running rings around people that have been doing it their entire lives.
	Yeah, amen to that.
	Let's play more reactions.
	Actually, one quick, if I could throw out, because I was on the stream earlier, so I don't know if you said it, but just, I mean, Charlie, for all the work that you did and Don Jr., Tucker Carlson and so many people behind the scenes regarding the J.D.
	Vance pick.
	I mean, I just go back to a couple of months ago on July 14th and July 15th, those last couple of days when there were so many people like Lindsey Graham and Karl Rove and so many others trying to stop J.D.
	Vance from becoming the vice president, saying he was the wrong choice.
	Donald Trump listened to the right people and in an impossible situation
	when he had just faced an assassination attempt and then still had to pick his vice president,
	he made the right choice.
	He chose JD Vance not only as an asset to his campaign now, but an asset that will pay dividends for this country
	and for this movement because folks, what you saw tonight, that's the future.
	That's what Donald Trump gave us and JD Vance was the right pick
	and he just proved it for two hours and won that stage.
	So let's continue here.
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	Okay, let's play—I don't have a thought here unless I'm gonna play more tape here.
	So this was—Blake, you mentioned this.
	This was probably J.D.
	Vance's strongest moment where he fact-checked CBS News fact-check on the Kamala Harris app that allows illegals into the country.
	Play cut 96.
	Senator, we have so much to get to.
	We're going to turn out of the economy.
	Thank you.
	Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check, and since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
	So there's an application called the CBP1 app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
	That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.
	That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.
	Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
	We have so much to get to, Senator.
	Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal... It's so disgusting and I'm so proud that he just slammed through it.
	They're trying to move it on and he says, no, you guys are trying to fact check me.
	You said you weren't.
	I'm going to fact check you back.
	And they need... The Republicans should never stop mentioning this because it's so appalling.
	Almost the fact that we even say the border is like a psyop because it is not the border.
	It is that the Democrats have literally made a system where you can take a smartphone, apply on an app saying, I'm going to illegally cross the border if you don't stop me.
	And then Biden is like, and Harris are like, Oh no!
	Don't cross the border illegally!
	We'll give you parole!
	Just fly right in!
	That is what they do!
	That is what they do!
	And they land in Florida, and this guy drives vans from Springfield, Ohio down to Florida, picks them up, and says, hey, want to work in a factory?
	Come on, get in the car.
	And they get in, they drive them, they put them in some roach-infested hovel in Springfield, and that is how the Springfield situation happened.
	It is literally There's an app for that.
	And I was so happy that JD Vance just... They don't want to talk about it.
	Steamroll them.
	Make the public hear it.
	And I'd love for them to try to fact-check that, because everything he said was true.
	I- I- That is so true.
	And by the way... Yeah, Andrew, I know you're passionate about this as well.
	Please, Andrew.
	Yeah, no, I mean, I completely agree with everything Blake said.
	It was like, it was like Gandalf, you know, Lord of the Rings, like, this shall not pass.
	He was just sitting there, like, just demanding that this was not going to get through.
	He was not going to let it get through.
	And that clip is going viral right now.
	And I'm so happy about fact check is trending on Twitter.
	There's Mike off and it made him look ridiculous.
	And so I completely agree.
	And one thing I just want to add here, and this is sort of connected to what we're talking about, but also piggybacking off Jack, the most important first decision that a presidential candidate makes is who they are going to select as their vice president.
	And once again, you see Democrats failing on the most basic fundamental tests in Tim Walz, a total loser, a total lightweight, a midwit.
	President Trump making the correct choice.
	And what a testament to the decision-making skills of Donald Trump and what a indictment of Kamala Harris that she went with Tim Walz.
	And what, I mean, President Trump deserves a ton of credit for that.
	Because this is just, their decision-making process is flawed, top to bottom, on the Democrat side.
	Love that.
	All right, everybody, it's beginning.
	The talking point machine on the media is breaking, and their anger is now surfacing.
	It usually takes about 20 minutes, and it's happening.
	All right, we got some delicious, delicious clips incoming.
	So first, let's start with this one.
	Everybody, this is what these nights are made of.
	Again, they try to hold the party line.
	There is no famine in eastern Ukraine.
	There is no famine in eastern Ukraine.
	There is no... Oh, wait.
	There's a famine in eastern Ukraine.
	Playcut 108.
	Uh, but at the beginning, the two issues driving the campaign right now are, Harris has a big deficit on the economy, Harris has a big deficit on immigration, and Republicans were happy tonight and Democrats a little bit nervous.
	On those two issues, Vance carried it.
	Vance carried it.
	Now, this is Nicole Wallace, who is typical, like, upper middle class, lib, white girl energy.
	Who's definitely having- Wine mom.
	Yeah, wine mom energy.
	Just totally losing it.
	Not exactly balanced.
	I don't know what she's talking about here, but she's not having a good night.
	She's not having a night like we are here in the Charlie Kirk Show.
	Again, do not mix benzos and chardonnay.
	Like, don't 109.
	It's the audacity.
	I agree with you that we're in year nine and no one knows how to cover the audacity.
	The audacity is that someone should have said, stop it, stop, stop.
	Are you effing kidding me?
	And they should have dropped that F-bomb, right?
	I mean, this is a debate.
	This may be the only chance people have to see the difference.
	Does anyone know what she's talking about here?
	She's like, I think she's talking about like Trump's been around for so long and we still don't know how to- Like the audacity, because of his lies!
	Oh yes.
	He lies with such audacity.
	I want to get to- I mean it's- Yeah, no, no.
	Jack, do you have a thought here?
	Because I actually want to go deep here on something that JD, I thought, handled brilliantly.
	But Jack, please chime in quickly.
	Well, to respond to what's going on there, you're just seeing the cognitive dissonance play out in real time.
	Again, they- It's hard for us to believe this because we always think that the media is being cynical when they say these things.
	But to them, J.D.
	Vance actually was supposed to be weird.
	J.D.
	Vance was supposed to come across as unprepared.
	J.D.
	Vance was supposed to be all of these things that, you know, he just wasn't tonight, that he just wasn't at all.
	And suddenly he comes across as poised.
	He comes across as obviously very telegenic, comes across as knowing the facts.
	And so what you're seeing is this emotional response.
	It's kind of like when prophecy fails and they're just kind of grasping for some thing
	to point out on because they're so upset about what happened that and maybe people will know
	what it's like being in an argument with someone who, you know, is mad and is trying to project
	that anger onto something else because they can't actually admit why it is they really
	It's well said.
	So let me tell you, as we're getting this piece of tape here, remember, the Democrats 20 years ago used to be low trust of institution voters.
	So they used to think that the military was lying to us, the Pentagon, so on and so forth.
	As the Republican Party has become less of the party of college-educated and more of the party
	of workers, the Republican Party is now low-trust of experts and low-trust of the institutions.
	We've seen this inversion. There was this remarkable moment that
	that occurred when Tim Walz was like almost mocking JD.
	Yes.
	Well, let me see here.
	You're trying to say you don't trust the science agencies and don't trust the military and
	don't trust the border patrol.
	And what he's getting at is correct.
	Yes, we actually, as the Republican Party, are highly skeptical of the ruling class of
	this country.
	We're very skeptical of the leaders and the experts.
	And Tim Walz was kind of learning this in real time.
	And the vast majority of Americans think that the CDC and the FDA and the NIH were wrong when they were recommending six feet to slow the spread and masks on kids.
	They think it's wrong that we invaded Iraq.
	And I think J.D.
	did very well.
	He could have done even better.
	And J.D.
	basically said, hey, the experts told us it was okay to ship all these jobs overseas.
	Perfectly fine answer.
	But if we have the tape here, I want to get to this, which is that J.D.
	Vance is talking about the everyday American that does not have trust of the oligarchy.
	Whereas Tim Walz is now a defender of the American ruling class.
	And this actually was the most helpful contrast that I saw the entire evening.
	That Tim Walz was like, no, no, no, I trust the people with the PhDs.
	And then J.D.
	said it so perfectly, it was chef's kiss.
	It was as good as it gets.
	And J.D.
	says, they might have PhDs, but they don't have common sense and wisdom.
	Boom!
	I could not have said it better or told them to say it better myself.
	Which is just because you have a lot of knowledge or expertise does not mean that you have wisdom.
	The knowledge of the things that never change.
	And as we know in the scriptures, wisdom begins with the fear of the Lord.
	And as these universities have become increasingly godless institutions, they are lacking in wisdom.
	Let's play Cup 110.
	And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
	We're bringing American manufacturing back.
	We're unleashing American energy.
	We're going to make more of our own stuff.
	And this isn't just an economic issue.
	I mean, I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them very much and I hope they're in bed right now.
	But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us.
	This has to stop and we're not going to stop it by listening to experts.
	We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump governed on.
	I didn't have the the kicker line that I, it was close, but this really is the contrast.
	Right, Blake?
	And it is that we actually think that the expert class has gotten major consequential decisions wrong the last 20 years.
	Exactly!
	It's not that all experts are bad, but that people have expanded the use of the word expert to encompass a bunch of things that are not technical things.
	We're like, OK, do I need an expert to build the bridge?
	Probably.
	I don't know how to build the bridge.
	But do I need an expert to tell me what democracy is?
	Or what's best for my kids?
	Yeah, what's best for our kids?
	Or some expert who can come in and say, well, actually, we now know that there's infinite genders, and we can't know what a woman is.
	There's so many people who have irrigated the label of expert to themselves who are obvious frauds, obvious charlatans, obvious predators, and a lot of these people have really burrowed themselves into this left-wing governing class, and it shows how terrified they are of having themselves challenged because, as Vance pointed out, They want to censor everything.
	They want to really control discourse because nothing says I'm an expert like, oh, I actually want to make it illegal to disagree with me.
	That's how we know I'm an expert.
	No one can ever argue with me.
	The New York Times has spoken, by the way.
	New York Times officially bends the knee.
	Now, this is their opinion page.
	We want to be sticklers for truth.
	But still, they ran the op-ed.
	Vance's dominant debate performance shows why he's Trump's running mate.
	I feel vindicated.
	I did not waste my July.
	I'm sorry.
	You should, Charlie.
	You should.
	Well, Charlie, I want to point out, too, here, and this is what separates J.D.
	from all the rest.
	Now, let's go back to our last, I mean, we can almost go back two decades in Republican vice presidential nominees.
	I mean, let's go all the way back.
	And again, I'm not attacking anyone, but Vice President Pence was not, did not have the best performance at that sitting thing with the fly all over his face and everything else.
	You had the Sarah Palin, you know, projections that were out there about her performances.
	You had literally throughout history here, you know, everybody attacked Dick Cheney and he was so gruff and so weird and lame and boring and not inspirational whatsoever.
	I mean, we can keep going all the way back.
	Maybe you can make the argument that George W. Bush Maybe, or George H.W.
	Bush was maybe something, but he was definitely not adding anything to Ronald Reagan.
	I mean, you can go back so, so, so, so tremendously far here.
	J.D., and I say this, again, not without even thinking twice about it, is our best VP nominee the Republican Party has had for certainly in my lifetime, maybe my parents' lifetime.
	I totally agree.
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	Let's play more tape here from the debate.
	Can we play the college panel?
	Uh, yeah.
	So yeah, this is... I have no idea what to expect here.
	We haven't seen it.
	This is probably... By the way, I'm gonna be at Grand Canyon University tomorrow doing a massive voter registration event.
	The voter registration deadline is coming up.
	We're gonna be registering voters like wild here.
	I don't know what to expect here.
	They have this, uh, metrosexual, um, guy that I screamed at at the RNC.
	This guy sucks.
	Um, who works for MSNBC, uh, amongst the, um, the disturbed.
	Play Cut 111.
	Let's just start with a show of hands.
	Did anybody come into this debate and leave feeling differently than when they came in in terms of candidate?
	Raise your hand if you changed your opinion of the candidates because of this debate.
	Oh, really?
	One?
	Come on down, dude.
	Come on down.
	Come on down.
	Very surprising.
	What's your name?
	Henry.
	Henry, what's going on?
	Okay, so you came in feeling what?
	Um, I felt like J.D.
	Vance would have been a lot worse.
	I think he's very awkward.
	His other, like, public appearances have been very awkward.
	I'm thinking back to, like, the scenario in the ice cream shop where he just made it so awkward for the employee and they don't want him on camera.
	It would have been the donut too, right?
	Yeah, I just thought, well, like, why can't he just be normal like the rest of us?
	And that's how you felt coming out of here?
	I felt he did a lot better.
	Yeah, why can't he be normal?
	It doesn't actually sound like someone who didn't have an opinion before the debate, right?
	So people do this all the time.
	They go on panels and they say, Oh, I'm totally, you know, I'm biased.
	But he said, I can think of other times where JD seemed awkward and he felt seen the same way tonight.
	So you clearly already had an opinion formed from these previous events and that you carried on through today.
	So anyway, the guy's just like, I think the takeaway was like, Yeah, I think the takeaway was that he felt like J.D.
	did better than he was anticipating.
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	That's hallowed ground.
	That's the field of blood where Donald Trump's blood was spilled just a couple of months ago, and now he's going back to the same spot.
	So we're going to do it right, as right as we can.
	That's a great check.
	So if I were to explain... Yeah, go ahead.
	I was gonna say, Charlie, you and Andrew and Blake need to grow the JD beard.
	I can't grow a beard.
	Some of us are in full JD beard mode.
	I'm Scott.
	Three of us are not.
	Bearding does not come easy for Scots.
	The problem is that being a bald guy with a beard like me is sort of a... It's not... It's a coded look and it basically is like...
	You're this West Virginia mountain man?
	No, it's worse than that.
	It's just like, those like, hipster guys on the internet who do like a, eat love bacon and lecture you.
	Isn't that the Coomer thing that you guys always send around?
	That too, yeah.
	So just, you know, we're just... That's actually remarkable that you're over there regularly.
	No, I was like, of all the, like, random things that we've done, when we were doing, like, teaching internet culture to Charlie here on ThoughtCrime.
	That's the one he remembers.
	Of all the ones, that's, yes, that is exactly right.
	I remember.
	So no, no, Blake is right, though.
	The long, like, long beards have been kind of ruined by, like, the last five or six years of just the culture.
	Listen.
	And so you can, you can, you can do, like, a thin beard.
	Like, I've got, I've got this, but it's like, I think this is like a three and a half.
	So you could do like a three and a half kind of trim.
	But once you go longer than that, like, no, you're, you're in bad territory.
	Listen, I remember chirps and bonus holes.
	I've been quite educated.
	After the election, we're going to bring more of that back.
	We're going to, we're going to make you aware of everything.
	We're going to make you, we're going to make you learn about Chud Jack.
	We're going to make you learn about the, the it's over guy.
	Not now.
	Got 35 days.
	Alright, if I were to describe toxic femininity, it would be the hyper-passive-aggressive enforcement of arbitrary rules and standards, and the rejection of anybody with testosterone that pushes back against these arbitrary standards.
	No better example than wine mom extraordinaire, Benzo Woman, 112.
	And I actually think if you're a woman, that might be the worst moment J.D.
	Vance had because he was going to mansplain right over that mute button.
	He was, and again, I don't pretend to know how everyone will react to this.
	I think that a lot of women in positions of authority that should command respect just by virtue of that dynamic will see themselves as some dude that disrespected them and talked over, you know, I mean, there was a moment like that with the vice presidential in the Harris-Pence debate.
	Anyone want to take that?
	I was just going to say, I mean, I think that every woman would like to have a mute button on some of us men all the time.
	I mean, I know we all have wives and girlfriends that would like to do that.
	I don't think anyone thought that JD, SoftToneJD, trying to answer the question When he was, you know, fact check wrongfully, and giving the right answer back, and then they cut his mic, you know, this is my impression, again, I think I'm playing it pretty fair.
	They just seem very, like, kind of just very nasty, like kind of just like, Oh, no, you can't, you can't, you know, You know, disagree with me.
	You can't tell me what to do.
	And then they cut them.
	I actually think that most people that have common sense, male or female, would be like, I actually kind of feel bad for JD there.
	He's trying to explain something and they just like, just cut him off.
	They shut him down.
	My take is that's the... Go ahead.
	I was just going to finish.
	I was going to say, and that's the moment where I feel like whenever you're in an argument and it could be a husband or wife, but you have those moments where you like trying to shut somebody down.
	It's like 10 minutes later, you come back, you're like, Hey, I'm really sorry for doing that.
	Like, I felt like that moment where she's like, they had gone over the top.
	And they realized that and almost like, it was just way over the top.
	It just was, I don't know.
	Yeah, my take here is that Nicole Wallace Like, basically had the exact wrong—she thought the exact opposite of everybody at home was thinking.
	So it just shows what a terrible analyst and what a, like, caring water Democrat she is.
	She had the exact opposite take.
	of 90% of America in that moment and that is why you know the people that exist and make their living within the box they get they get their audience because it's force-fed into American homes that have no justification for their existence other than the fact they exist in the box.
	That was a moment where she exposed herself.
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	Okay, let's go to cut 113.
	More of the panel of the disturbed.
	You're up here.
	Let me just come up here with you real quick.
	You're nodding your head.
	Yes.
	Hi, what's your name?
	James.
	Why was that something, James, that resonated with you?
	It is true, Congress has power for these immigration policies, and it just keeps getting pushed back between presidency to presidency, which Congress does have power in these situations.
	It's really just forming a demonization of immigrants, which is such an issue.
	We see a lot of violence against immigrant communities.
	These are not illegal people.
	They come here undocumented for whatever reason there is, and it's just causing more harm than anything.
	Yes, for the record, I have to debate these people multiple times a week.
	I just want to abolish the term undocumented.
	Like, no one is more documented than all the people showing up over a border and getting insta-paroled by the Biden government.
	They're undocumented.
	That's why we know every single thing about them, except whether we can send them back to their country.
	And the country is open for looting.
	OK, let's play more tape here.
	Let's go here to...
	Let's go.
	Oh yeah, this is a good one.
	J.D.
	Vance goes at length on Kamala Harris' border policies.
	Play cut 80.
	The question was, will you separate parents from their children, even if their kids are U.S.
	citizens?
	You have one minute.
	Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.
	I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.
	I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.
	Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
	For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy.
	She did exactly that.
	We had a record number of illegal crossings.
	We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
	And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
	The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
	This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
	Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president again.
	Senator, your time is up.
	I mean, you just see them do this again and again, where it's a situation that JV Vance is making a point, CBS has this biased take on it, he gets a chance to respond, and then they kind of talk over him.
	I mean, I don't know if you guys saw this as anything else, but it just, to me, it's It's something where when you're looking at these back, or even in the moment, you're thinking, it's like what Tyler said earlier, that you're just finding yourself identifying, especially, and I'm going to say it, there was a massive gender dichotomy going on, an undercurrent of gender going on in the debate, where even though Kamala Harris wasn't on stage, the fact that the two moderators were female,
	And that JD Vance was a dude who was arguing against women in those instances.
	It just kind of became a sort of microcosm for the entire debate, the entire election, I should say, because that's really how people have split up.
	And we've seen this on campus.
	Charlie has seen this on campus, where it seems like it's a lot of men that are showing up for Trump now, and you just see it repeated over and over and over.
	I don't know if CBS I just want to read.
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	uh... instant reaction from cbs uh... poll which is obviously so tight scientific
	shows that you do that's one of the day forty two percent think jay devance forty one percent uh...
	tim walz seventeen percent thought it was a tie
	uh... when you account for like there's probably like a six percent we probably
	lose by six or seven percent all of these yes That's how they always slant it.
	That's a pretty big win.
	Yeah.
	It's a huge win, but I'm less interested about that.
	I'm more interested about suburban Republicans that are like, oh, I'm just like so over Trump that now have a reason and a justification to vote for Trump.
	Tyler, in our chasing and in our conversation, that's a big deal, isn't it?
	It's such a big deal, Charlie.
	We're out talking to people and we're talking to low propensity voters.
	And most just need a little nudge.
	There's a lot of people who they say, my vote doesn't matter, or I just don't really like anybody that's involved.
	The JD Vance, you know, I'll say angle that is being taken tonight is people don't really, they realize they don't really know him.
	This is their first introduction ever to the guy who could potentially be the second in line to the commander in chief position.
	And they're going, Wait, why have I been held out on really getting to know the actual real JD?
	I've just been told he's this, this like, you know, crazy bigoted, no name loser from Ohio.
	And the truth is, it's actually the opposite is that Tim Waltz is the crazy weirdo from Minnesota.
	And JD is a normal, by the way, millennial So millennial first ever would be millennial VP and the first ever millennial that's first in line to become the president.
	And that is a massive deal.
	And so I think all the millennials now is the largest voting bloc that is in America, millennial voters.
	Millennial and Gen Z now outnumber the silent generation of baby boomers.
	Millennials are looking at this and going, This looks like a guy that's on my street, and he talks smart, he's good, he knows he understands us, and I'm gonna roll the dice and take a risk on him.
	I think that that's why he's a senator today.
	We're never going to have a Gen X president.
	We're just going to skip straight past him to the millennials.
	I will say this.
	Gen X is by far Trump's greatest voter demo.
	And it's not even close.
	No, yeah, it's it's the people who turned.
	It's like my dad, people who turned 18 just in time to vote for Ronald Reagan.
	I want to explore that.
	But let's let's test Blake's ability.
	Well, first of all, when you come of age politically really looms over your entire life.
	And so if you were born in the late 50s, early 60s, you grew up seeing the sort of excesses of liberalism kind of lead to all this ruin.
	You saw, you know, you probably saw riots and stuff when you were 10 years old.
	You saw, you lived through the Carter administration when you were in high school.
	It was a total mess.
	And then you saw Reagan come in, sunny guy, turned the tide, beat the Soviets.
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	Andrew, let's dive deeper into this.
	Wait, did you say JD was a millennial?
	Yeah, JD's a millennial.
	First, so let's just, hold on, let's just take a pause here.
	You're a millennial.
	Tyler, you're a millennial.
	Jack, you're a millennial.
	Andrew, so this is an all-millennial show right now?
	Yes?
	Correct?
	Yep.
	That is the first ever millennial in either a president or vice-presidential debate.
	That's pretty cool.
	Yep.
	I think this is probably the first one they could even run in.
	Well, there was Pete Buttigieg in the Democrat primary.
	No, no, that doesn't count.
	So the Republican Party beat the Democrat Party to having a millennial debate and a presidential or vice-presidential.
	And again, I feel so vindicated for pushing JG.
	That was my whole idea.
	Is Buttman a millennial?
	Buttigieg?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so he was in a primary, I guess.
	He's barely.
	But we're talking about the stuff that is now JD is now in history books this stuff will be studied in political science classes like there's only think about it like since the year 2000 there's been one two three four five six there's been seven of these I mean that's this happens as frequently as the Olympics there are less VP debates than there are presidential debates And this is probably the first vice presidential debate that was more exciting than Olympic breakdancing.
	That is a topic for another time.
	Let's just recap the evening.
	Bloodbath.
	Total victory by J.D.
	Vance.
	A triumphant victory that will now propel Donald Trump in a much better position to win the White House coming into November.
	Let's play just some of the cuts and the highlights here.
	First and foremost, we haven't played this, J.D.
	Vance's introductory statement.
	And Jack, I want you to take this as soon as it's done.
	J.D.
	Vance was smart to say, let me introduce myself first.
	Brilliant.
	Play cut 78.
	So, Margaret, I want to answer the question.
	First of all, thanks, Governor.
	Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate.
	And thanks most importantly to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.
	I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.
	I was raised in a working-class family.
	My mother required food assistance for periods of her life.
	My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me, and she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
	I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq, and so I stand here asking to be your Vice President with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams, And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.
	I want to try to convince you tonight, over the next 90 minutes, that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to be attainable once again.
	I mean, so what he did right there was in less than two minutes, He distilled the essence, he didn't say Hillbilly Elegy, but he distilled the essence of what Hillbilly Elegy is, what it means, the discussions of how the American dream is available to some but has been degraded over so many years, but also distilled the essence of someone overcoming great adversity
	Great troubles at an extremely early age when you have no capacity whatsoever to be able to do those things and to be called into it again and again, facing adversity and coming out on top and then connecting his story with the average person out there who's trying to just think, how do I make it through?
	Whatever it is that I'm facing right now and then I turn on the news and I hear there's some war going on or there's some people lost their homes and my gosh what if what if that happened to me?
	He spoke to those incredibly and you know JD delivered this fantastic speech introducing himself and if you notice Tim Walls didn't have
	any introductory statement. Now they didn't have formal introductory
	statements but again I mentioned before Tim just started off on the wrong foot
	never really got his footing and I think that if he had just taken a few seconds
	to deliver a statement, introducing himself to people, setting himself
	from where he wanted to do, this sets the frame for the rest of your entire
	performance.
	JD did that, Tim Walz never did, and you saw what happened as a result.
	I'm just looking at this meme I just saw, and maybe we can get it up quick, but it's the dissent of the Democrats.
	Obama's thought process.
	I need a VP dumber than me.
	Biden's thought process.
	I need a VP dumber than me.
	Kamala's thought process.
	I need a VP dumber than me.
	Here we are.
	Tim Walls.
	Caveman Tim.
	It is the succession.
	Knucklehead.
	Knucklehead.
	That's what he called him.
	Let's play another piece of tape here.
	This is J.D.
	on Kamala Harris' border policies, play cut 80.
	The question was, will you separate parents from their children, even if their kids are U.S.
	citizens?
	You have one minute.
	Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.
	I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.
	I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.
	Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
	For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy.
	She did exactly that.
	We had a record number of illegal crossings.
	We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
	And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
	The only thing that she did When she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
	This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
	Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president again.
	Senator, your time is up.
	Andrew, your thoughts?
	Yeah, I mean, the 94 executive actions, you know, they like to bring up this border bill.
	They say, oh, well, you know, Donald Trump killed the border bill or else and we would have border security if Donald Trump just didn't cause it.
	It's like, no, you had all the power you needed in the executive branch.
	Donald Trump proved it.
	We had the most secure border we had in living memory.
	And then with 94 executive actions, you guys took an in the history of America.
	And now we just have illegals flooding through the country and everybody knows it, everybody can see it.
	And there's a thousand problems that run downstream from that.
	I thought he executed this case extremely well during this debate
	and they had no answer for it.
	And bravo, JD, absolutely.
	I wanna, this is Don Jr.
	on Dylan Mulvaney here, and I think it's a really great dialogue here of Don Jr.
	after the debate.
	Play Cut 116.
	Thanks, Jake.
	I'm here in the spin room with Donald Trump Jr.
	You urged your dad to pick J.D.
	Vance as his running mate, famously, a few months ago.
	How do you think he did tonight?
	I thought it was a masterclass.
	It was just an incredible performance.
	Just real command of the facts.
	Didn't let sort of the fake fact check, you know, try to steamroll him.
	He came back with actual facts.
	I think he literally won every issue across the board.
	I think he was actually very comfortable on so many of the issues that Republicans tend to fail.
	He was probably more comfortable in those issues than most Republicans are, even on our strong points.
	So I think it was an incredible debate.
	We've been leading with incompetence and weakness for four years.
	The world has watched, and they've capitalized on that.
	Our enemies, Iran, wants Kamala Harris to be president.
	They've said that.
	They've leaked documents to her, stolen from our campaign, that they hacked.
	Russia has said they want Kamala Harris to be president because a weak America is good for Russia, a weak America is good for Iran, and a weak America is great for China, all of whom are chomping at the bit for a Harris-Waltz administration and the continuation of the Biden policies that have failed America for the last three and a half years.
	Don, going right in.
	Man, and this was so bad for Walz, and it could have been so much worse, because they could have been like, you know, Governor Walz, you were governor during a famous moment in the history of the city of Minneapolis.
	I totally agree.
	According to accounts from other Democrats, you were basically hiding under your desk, sobbing during the entire sequence of events, causing many people to die and many buildings to be destroyed.
	Why was that, Governor Walz?
	Here is Lindsay Davis likening Tim Walz's performance to Biden's debate performance, the Hindenburg and the Titanic, PlayCut 119.
	J.D.
	Vance said it repeatedly tonight, saying, listen, she's had nearly four years to do that as vice president.
	Why hasn't she?
	I feel like that was really effective.
	But I think overall tonight, if you're an undecided voter in America, I don't know that you come away with tonight with an additional clarity.
	It kind of reminded me of the June 27th debate when Kamala Harris that night said of Joe Biden, it was a slow start, but a strong finish.
	And that's how I felt that Tim Walz kind of did tonight.
	You know, to use Tim Walz's own words, I mean, a lot about this debate tonight was weird.
	There were uncomfortable, cringy moments.
	But overall, I think my takeaway was something that Reince Priebus said on the outset, which
	was that JD Vance needed to come away as that humble, likable guy from Hillbilly Elegy.
	It seemed like he did perhaps get some points in that area.
	Who wants to tell her?
	I didn't think it was so bad.
	It reminded me of that other debate that was so bad, the nominee had to quit and he's now like, it's the worst disaster in history.
	It was just like that, not a big deal.
	She was so dumb, she didn't realize what she was saying.
	She thought it was like a really insightful point, but underlying the fact that, you know, a lot of minds were changed.
	So much so that Democrats freaked out and kicked out Joe Biden from the candidacy.
	Pretty remarkable.
	Even Buer looks like...
	She was the moderator of the last debate, which shows what Trump was facing in one of the dumbest, most biased debates in modern presidential history.
	David Meir looks like he's taken five months worth of Ozempic since the last debate.
	You see that guy's face?
	He's like, literally nothing's left.
	Like, give that guy... Well, somebody was tweeting that he, like, stares into the gym mirror when he's at the gym.
	He's one of those guys who, like, looks out and just, like, stares at himself the entire time when he's at the gym.
	And he's actually 50.
	I didn't realize the David Muir was 50 years old.
	That, you know, he doesn't look it, but, you know, he does look kind of weird and he acts kind of weird.
	So, you know, that actually explains all of it now.
	You know who also does that stares into the mirror at the gym?
	It's Jeff Flake.
	Jeff Flake will still wear his Jeff Flake for US Senate t-shirt from his campaign from like 15 years ago.
	And he just looks at himself in the mirror.
	It's so weird.
	It's so weird.
	It's weird.
	We all know those guys.
	We all know those guys.
	Mount Hat over here is turning into like... It's like the Berlin Wall.
	I'm not gonna be able to see... I will not be able to see Charlie soon.
	He's doing that to you on purpose, Blake.
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	Let's play cup 120.
	There is no doubt in my mind, however Governor Walz did in terms of sincerity, that Vance won this debate.
	Why did Vance win this debate?
	For the same reason that Cheney Trounced Lieberman when they debated.
	Or Kennedy trounced Nixon when they debated.
	Because they were not the stereotypes.
	Waltz did come across as the substitute teacher being up against, you know, dealing with the snotty, sharp kid in the class.
	But Vance didn't just take that stereotype.
	Vance proved himself to be someone who could moderate his tone, who could be agreeable where necessary.
	He wasn't the wicked, aggressive stereotype that the mainstream media has made him out to be.
	That's Geraldo Rivera, everybody.
	Do you know Geraldo is 81 years old?
	He's 81 years old.
	Geraldo Rivera is 81.
	Bye, Charlie.
	We'll get back to you later.
	Do we have that ready?
	Yeah, we got it.
	So this is CNN.
	This is CNN.
	Okay, almost.
	All right.
	I have to filibuster for a few more seconds.
	Well, Geraldo Rivera did famously open Al Capone's vault, and he found nothing inside, which means he basically found Tim Walz inside Al Capone's vault.
	That was a defining career moment for Geraldo Rivera.
	And today was a defining career moment for Tim Walls, so... I just want to remind you guys... 121, let's play it.
	Yeah, let's play it right now.
	First, foremost, who won the debate?
	It was basically an even split.
	51% of debate watchers say Vance won, 49% say Walls won.
	What about expectations versus reality?
	So who did you think was going to win the debate?
	Before the debate, 45% said Vance would win.
	54% said Walls.
	And you see it ended up 51% to 49%.
	So Vance bested expectations.
	Walls underperformed expectations of this group of debate watchers going into the debate.
	And I just want to show you how this scorecard stacks up to recent vice presidential debates.
	You see here it looks more in the realm of 2016 and 2012.
	This was not an outsized, lopsided victory the way we saw in 2020 or 2008.
	Roughly even here in how the debate watchers in this poll saw this debate tonight, Anderson.
	So you see that big swing there.
	So he basically, you know, 40, 54% thought Waltz would win and only 45% said he did so.
	And I think that's pretty decisive considering, I think this poll like others was, it was among all debate watchers.
	So a few things, one, their poll of debate watchers was slightly more Democrat than, you know, the nation as a whole.
	It sounds like there was a more Democrat audience actually tuning in to watch this one.
	And you also have to figure, Probably 40 to 45 percent of people are just locked in and they're going to say they're side one no matter what because that's how people are.
	So basically, Vance utterly dominated among people whose actual vote in terms of who won was up for grabs tonight.
	Jack, I know you got to run in a second here because the security's kicking you out of the room.
	You're in.
	Final thoughts, Jack?
	Yeah, they're just getting ready to close down the Trump Hotel and they're shutting everything down for the evening.
	But you know, really what Blake just said is exactly right.
	Remember the last debate?
	So remember the last debate, people were in there with Trump and Kamala, I guess the only debate between Trump and Kamala you're probably going to see, where people said, you know, some people thought Trump didn't do so well, some people thought Kamala did better, etc, etc.
	But that never shook out.
	And the issue is that there just aren't really that many people who are still undecided.
	But what's a huge swath of the people are currently undecided in those swing states.
	It's people, and we hear it again and again, and I did this rally on Sunday with Mr. Grant and R.F.K.
	and Tulsi and this sort of, you know, they're the Team Trump, the Make America Healthy again sign, I call it the Big Maha.
	But you've got people there who are sort of, they're looking for permission To vote for Donald Trump.
	They want permission to vote for Donald Trump.
	They say there's, there's things about him.
	Charlie, I know when you've done certain events, uh, when you go out to the community, you get that as well from different parts of the conservative movement to say, yeah, I'd like Donald Trump, but he just isn't quite the guy that I'm looking for.
	You know, they have some issue, whatever it is.
	J.D.
	Vance just became the permission that all those people were looking for because now mentally the false because in their head can say, look, even if we all know they really wanted to vote Trump anyway, now they can say, I want to vote Trump because J.D.
	Vance had such a great night, so I'm going to vote Trump because J.D.
	Vance did psychological permission that they're going to allow
	themselves to have that the next time that they're in a in a social setting, the
	next time they're at work, the next time they're at a you know a kids you know a
	kids event with other parents around and topic of politics comes up they say you
	know I wasn't too sure on Trump until I saw that that JD Vance come out there
	and he really he really swung me over. JD Vance becomes the fault because
	for those people and there's so many of them in the suburbs, in places like
	suburban Philadelphia, that we absolutely need to swing if we want
	to win states like that.
	And JD Banz provided the on-ramp for all of those people onto the Trump train.
	Well said Jack, you get the Trump base and the Trump low prop movement and now
	with the high prop assuredness, it's a phenomenal combo.
	Let's go around the Andrew, final thoughts and reaction here as we recap a wonderful night for J.D.
	Vance and our movement.
	Yeah, I'm reflecting on that CNN poll where it showed the history all the way back down to Palin and Biden.
	And you notice that according to CNN, conservatives never do that well.
	I mean, the highest mark there was Pence in 2016, and he didn't even have a clear majority.
	So for J.D.
	For JD to so outperform the expectations, break that 50% barrier, I think is significant,
	especially in a poll like CNN.
	And I just want to give kudos again to you, Charlie, for your efforts behind the scenes,
	pushing and promoting JD Vance into this role, and give kudos to President Trump.
	Again, the decision-making of the executive is critical to the future of this country.
	Kamala Harris failed with the pick of waltz.
	She should have chosen Shapiro.
	I mean, that much is very clear tonight.
	And President Trump exceeded far beyond most people's wildest imaginations with J.D.
	Vance.
	And that's why we trust and support Donald Trump.
	Blake, as I recap here, I want to get to the final members here twice to make sure that I don't miss anybody.
	Daisy's sending it to me.
	This is a great night and could start what we've been waiting for, the Trump close.
	Just so everyone understands, the reputable polling of local state-based polling, despite the Mark Robinson situation, Trump up two or three in North Carolina, Trump up one or two in Georgia, Trump up maybe two or three in Arizona, Trump tied in Pennsylvania.
	That is a phenomenal October starting point.
	It's a great story.
	It's way better than we had in 2020, way better than we had in 2016.
	An election we won, and it's after we've had some tough news cycles, we've had some tough stories, and yet now we're in a position where you want to be.
	You have that fighter's chance.
	All chaos benefits you and right now we're seeing that.
	There's all this chaos erupting.
	It's very much the fault of the sitting government.
	I think the trends are in our favor and we just got to close the deal.
	And Trump is the best closer in politics that we know of.
	Tyler, talk about the need to chase.
	Plug Turning Point Action, all that you're doing, we're doing.
	Commit 100, how people can help.
	Go through in meticulous detail what we are looking for these last 34 days.
	This is the fourth quarter and it's time for people to get off the sidelines and get in the arena.
	Tyler.
	We have 34 days right now, Charlie.
	I'm sitting in the state of Wisconsin.
	You have basically the Pennsylvania-Georgia approach with North Carolina being on the board.
	If North Carolina is not on the board, you're going to need Arizona, Wisconsin, some kind of combination of Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada.
	Everyone knows that here at Turning Point Action, we've been saying statistically Arizona, Wisconsin is where everything is at.
	Everybody needs to get off the sidelines, like you said.
	They need to get involved, help us chase ballots.
	We are giving hotel rooms to people to come out of state into Arizona and Wisconsin.
	We're paying people for full-time and part-time positions.
	You can go to tpaction.com slash chase for more information.
	or join our commit 100 program, which is our volunteer program to commit to chase 100 ballots.
	You can do this remotely, you can do this in in Arizona or Wisconsin or other swing states, or you can travel to Arizona, Wisconsin, we'll put you in a hotel room and let you chase 100 ballots for As much time as you need, we'll put you there for one, two weeks to get those ballots.
	And that's 10 votes a day.
	You can go to tpaction.com slash 100.
	That's tpaction.com slash 100.
	We need everyone's help.
	Right now, Charlie have Well over 3,000 people that are committed and signed up to help Chase in Arizona and Wisconsin.
	We need more.
	I want to overwhelm the left so bad that we chase every possible vote that we can get and leave nothing left out onto the field.
	That's tpaction.com slash chase tpaction.com slash 100 to join in and help us win.
	So Ty, let me ask you, if someone right now lives in Phoenix, let's say they live in Paradise Valley and they want to get involved and they never have before and they fill out the form, what does that look like in practice?
	Our team will be reaching out within typically 48 to 72 hours and we'll be assigning data to them on the Turning Point Action application.
	So what you're going to want to do, regardless if you sign up or not, you can download the Turning Point Action application.
	It's like the top 50 in the App Store right now, because that's so many people are downloading it and getting involved.
	You download that, you tap the top left hand corner, there's little arrows, you input your information, and it immediately will verify you to start knocking doors, making phone calls, sending text messages, or sending postcards.
	And you can do this at home without getting involved.
	with us by clicking voters near me and it'll show you all the voters that we need to chase that are near you where you sit at that time or you like I said you can go to the commit 100 program that's tpaction.com slash 100 sign up and our team will assign you a custom list that will pop up on your application so you can and then we'll provide training for you this is a couple hour training that we're doing every single day from now until the election at our headquarters or on zoom And you can get involved, know what you're doing, and then contact those voters to simply remind them to vote because these are people who need a little nudge, a little reminder, and maybe even some help to get to the polls or to remember to turn in their early vote, their early ballot.
	And that's what we're doing full time.
	We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of staff and thousands of volunteers who are out doing this work.
	Everybody needs to lift where they stand.
	And if we do this together, we're going to be able to turn out hundreds of thousands of votes that are totally unexpected by the left.
	and make it almost impossible to lose, but everybody's gotta get involved.
	That's tpaction.com slash 100.
	No, no, sorry to interrupt.
	Sorry, go ahead, Charlie.
	Does anything exist like this on the right?
	Is it fair to say that outside of the campaign, we have amassed the largest full-time and volunteer army in the conservative movement?
	Yeah, I was just telling Charlie before we got on here, I can't remember sleeping this little, except when my infants were just barely, or my newborns had come out.
	It feels like that first month of being a new dad because we are working so diligently, so hard, basically 23 hours a day, just working around the clock, helping assign people because there's so many good people who want to help out who have never done this work before.
	What we try to do at Turning Point Action is make it simple and make it easy because typically these things are complicated.
	Most people never do this stuff.
	Uh, we don't, we're not asking people to dedicate, uh, you know, weeks and months of their life.
	We need days and hours of, of your life for the next 34 days.
	So if you have one day, one Saturday, one evening where you can do stuff, my sister, you mentioned my sister earlier, who just became a member on charliekirk.com.
	My sister downloaded the application.
	She's never been like a super politically active person.
	She's probably watching right now, but she's got a lot of kids at home.
	She lives in Albuquerque, but she's from Arizona.
	She downloaded the application and started texting tonight.
	She texted over 100 different people in Arizona to remind them to vote.
	That's just as simple as that.
	You can do it right away.
	She was like, oh my gosh, I didn't realize how easy this application is.
	We made it so stupid simple.
	You get in, you figure it out.
	You can go to tpaction.com app.
	For just a quick walkthrough and literally within just minutes you can be contacting voters and changing the entire context of this election.
	Tyler talk about, I'm glad we're spending time on this, and by the way I want to mention some members here that have become members of this program.
	Janet, Jessica, Mike, Catherine, Lawrence, Maxine, Altman, Pam, Rob, Denise, James, Hunter, Kimberly, Gloria, Kelly, Callum, Danny, give us 10 days to send you the hat.
	It will be signed.
	Here's Hat Mountain.
	Tyler, talk about the postcard writing.
	This is a new wrinkle that we have added.
	Some people don't feel comfortable knocking on doors.
	What is the postcard writing operation that we are deploying at Turning Point Action?
	Yeah, so we'll actually, if you get in contact with a local Turning Point Action Rep, we'll give you postcards to use.
	You can use anything.
	You can write on, you know, I always tell people, just use notebook paper, put it in an envelope and send it to people notes.
	People, you won't believe, most people don't get handwritten notes in the mail.
	And so on our application, if you go to send postcards, it gives you the addresses to send them to.
	So if you sit down and just go through, you can write heartfelt notes to people who are your neighbors, people who need to be reminded to vote, and tell them, hey, our country is going down the toilet.
	I'm your neighbor.
	I care very much.
	Please remember to vote.
	If you need anything, here's my phone number.
	Call me.
	And that's how we're training people to do it.
	We've sent out literally, and I want to give Scott Prestor a huge amount of shout outs, we're working off the same application.
	So we've worked with Scott and developed and ended the app.
	We've literally between our teams have sent out Tens of thousands.
	We're in the hundreds of thousands of postcards and notes that have been sent out now.
	And this is in key target states like Pennsylvania and Arizona and Wisconsin.
	This is a game changer.
	And so everybody, even if you're a little bit shy, you don't like making phone calls to random people, even your neighbors.
	I mean, my wife doesn't even like talking to people.
	At the drive-through window.
	I totally get that.
	Write notes.
	You can go on, write notes, write postcards, handwritten notes, handwritten postcards, and send them to neighbors and just say, please vote.
	This is our last chance to save the country.
	We need, we need your vote.
	Here's why.
	Give people the testimonial, why they're supporting Trump, why you're supporting, you know, your local candidates for U.S.
	Senate or House or, you know, even the people that are running for mayor and school board and everything else.
	This is so imperative.
	Andrew, do you have a thought?
	Yeah, and Tyler, just because I want to make sure people understand this, the app is sending you to people that are registered likely conservatives, right?
	So you're gonna be talking to like-minded people.
	People don't appreciate this.
	People that are members at charliekirk.com, people that watch this program, people that tune in daily, they probably don't resonate or really connect all the time with the fact that there is a huge slice of the population that supports Trump's policies, likes him, feels warmly towards him, but they just don't vote.
	They don't vote.
	And this is a new phenomenon.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say, to that point, this is like the craziest thing that we've seen.
	The number one reason why people don't vote, we all know, and it's because they think their vote doesn't matter.
	You wouldn't believe what we discovered was the number two reason people don't vote.
	The number two reason people don't vote is because they legitimately think that they voted and they didn't.
	So sometimes that's, they just, they think literally watching TV is voting.
	They think voting in the primary is enough.
	They voted in a primary, they think they forget because in Arizona, our primary is not that far away from the general.
	And so when people vote now with early voting, this is like an actual real thing.
	Because of early voting, I could vote on election day and within a month have a ballot at my house already again for the general in some of these states.
	And so people literally get confused and they forget.
	Or they They think their wife voted for them by mail, or their husband voted for them by mail, or they just forget, and they're embarrassed, and they don't want to admit that they didn't vote, but they had every intention to vote.
	It's the craziest thing.
	That's why you have to stay on your friends and your family, your spouse, your boyfriend, girlfriend, whoever, right?
	Your kids.
	They have to remember to vote because people just will neglect to do it.
	They'll forget, they'll get busy, and they'll wish they had, and they'll even pretend that they had or tell them that they had.
	Tyler, there's a crazy stat out of Arizona that will blow people's minds.
	Part of what we're doing is we're going to like red districts.
	We're going to where the conservatives are.
	And Paul Gosar's district at 58,000, Tyler, you can fact check me, 58,000 registered Republicans that voted in 2016 and did not vote in 2020 or vice versa.
	So these are what we call low prop conservatives, right?
	Low propensity conservatives.
	Two districts, we're talking about almost 100,000 people that did not show up, that are registered, that like our ideas, that agree with us on the way the country should go, and they just didn't show up, and we fell 10,000 ballots short in 2020.
	Two congressional districts.
	We're not even talking about the whole state.
	That's two CDs.
	These are two congressional districts that are arguably the most conservative congressional districts in America.
	So I want to make this super clear.
	Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs' districts are two of the most conservative districts in America.
	Andy Biggs was the chairman of the Freedom Caucus.
	Paul Gosar is like right of the Freedom Caucus.
	So like these people have literally two of the most conservative areas.
	They have the most votes that just didn't get turned in in all of Arizona.
	The most Republican voters, this isn't like a purple district where it's like, oh, well, people just really didn't like voting.
	No, these are people.
	There are good people.
	There's I'll tell you another story real quick.
	We go and knock on the door of a guy who is a what we call disengaged voter, a low propensity voter.
	He hadn't voted in the last two elections.
	We knock on his door, he's like, oh yeah, oh my gosh, come on in.
	Opens up his garage.
	His garage, he has a Trump shrine with every Trump flag.
	Trump won flags literally in his garage.
	And Kerry Lakes, if he had Kerry Lakes signs, and he'd even vote.
	But he thought he voted.
	Like he legitimately, like people think they voted.
	And again, I'm not trying to shame this person because people get confused.
	They're older, they have different things.
	They think they're, again, their spouse voted for them by mail or whatever.
	They think they're literally watching TV.
	They get confused.
	They think that voting in the primary is enough.
	This guy had a shrine, did not vote, his vote was not registered in the last two elections.
	So do not assume that somebody that is the most Trumpy, you know, sure thing is voted.
	You have to double, triple check every person that you know to make sure that they actually got their vote in, because we have seen it in real time.
	Yeah, and Charlie, you've made this point a lot lately.
	Notice that Democrats are not doing the whole, every vote matters, we gotta maximize turnout and all of that.
	Like, they have been silent on this because in the era of Trump, the voter map and the calculus of the parties has changed.
	Democrats actually will do better with low turnout in this election.
	Because Trump is dominating the low-propensity voters.
	This could really backfire on them if they're not doing their machine.
	Because that means that if we turn out our voters, we could win by a lot.
	Because they're playing a game.
	The game is that if they decide to boost turnout like 2020, they think they win low-prop voters.
	They're not winning low-prop voters right now.
	They're not winning the muscular class, the waiters, the waitresses.
	So they're like, hey, if we try to go like super targeted with our people, but don't do the mass propaganda, then maybe we can meet in the middle.
	But if we drive out our voters, we win.
	But my concern is, my concern is that we don't drive out our voters, and that we win in the polls and we lose in the count, and all of a sudden a bunch of our people just stay at home.
	Blake, do you share that concern?
	Yeah, it's, it's...
	It's all this like very elaborate psychological game almost and as someone pointed out to me a sort of funny thing is is that the right sort of thrives on optimism they have to be like yeah we're winning let's get out there and kick butt and unfortunately I think that's just less effective than The Democrats psychological one, they're a little more like, I guess, feminine in their thinking.
	And so they respond a lot to panic.
	So all their stuff is like, ah, it's the end of the world.
	Trump's going to kill us all.
	He's going to ship us off to kids.
	And like, that really works with them.
	That fires them all up and they get out and they get their ballots in.
	And this time, usually they've been able to bank on, it used to be Democrats were like the cool party or like the, You know, they had a little more cachet with the public, and, you know, Republicans were dorks who, you know, they cared about the budget or whatever, and so the Democrat thought was always, okay, just send turnout into the stratosphere, and we'll win, because turnout is high, and we'll get all of those marginal people, and a guy who doesn't follow politics a lot is gonna be like, oh yeah, I like the Democrats a bit more, and he'll shrug and vote for them.
	And that's changed so much now.
	If you're not super politically aware, your thought process is, uh, things don't seem that good.
	It seems like everything's been a mess lately.
	But you don't necessarily love Republicans.
	You're not super plugged into the debate and all that.
	But Democrats are always lecturing you.
	You think of them being the ones that made you mask.
	They probably made you lose your job during COVID lockdowns.
	They're saying all this loopy stuff about, you know, mutilating kids.
	And all these people, they're not super easy to motivate to get out and vote because they're just not fired up about politics in general.
	But we have to really remember that those people, if we can get them out, probably will vote for us.
	But we have to do it.
	And in the past, it was always Democrats really putting in the effort on that.
	We have to drive turnout.
	Okay, everybody.
	Yeah, final thought here.
	Well, I have a question actually for Tyler on this.
	So, you know, because there is such a massive move of disaffected Democrats, by the way, everybody should check out Charlie's Twitter on this.
	There was a great tweet.
	Have you voted for this?
	Will this be your first, second or third time voting for Trump?
	If it's your first, why?
	And there's just a mountain, like a stream of people saying it was their first time voting because they had TDS,
	they believe the media's lies, they woke up during the child mutilation stuff
	or during Afghanistan, whatever their moment was, they broke.
	And I'm just wondering, Tyler, what is the state of Democrat voter data right now
	if they're doing ballot chasing?
	Because there was a big article in Politico talking about the ground game
	and there were some people on the left that were warning that, hey, it's really expensive,
	we can't afford all the ballot chasers we used to because of inflation,
	meaning Kamala caused their own demise there.
	But I'm curious about how clear the data is for them, how effective the data is because you have so many disaffected Dems.
	No, it's a great point and it's kind of the problem a little bit of what we had in 2020 was that the independent data and the low propensity Republican data was turning out a lot of Biden voters because the data was so bad for us and it was difficult to identify and shake out who are the people who were accidentally turning out Who actually are supporting Joe Biden, because they believe the media's lies, they had TDS, they had whatever.
	And then this even more so with the independents, because remember, there wasn't really a strong independent option on the ballot in 2020.
	You didn't really have a strong Libertarian or Green Party.
	And so you just you had just a lot of people who were just like, I just feel a little bit more Biden.
	So they showed up.
	They're probably going to vote Biden.
	This time it's the exact opposite in many ways.
	Number one, you had RFK and Bobby in the race for so long, you actually had a legitimate amount of people who wanted to vote for him.
	And this isn't like a little third party that was like one pulling at one or 2%.
	He was pulling in a lot of places, 15% for a lot of the race.
	So you had a lot of people who were engaging, who now have been like, okay, well, Bobby says Trump that I'm going to vote for Trump.
	So now you have a lot of independents who, if they try to chase those people, they're going to be accidentally turning out probably more Trump voters than Kamala voters.
	But then the low propensity Democrats, to your point, in almost every real poll that's existed, there are more defecting Democrats, both to independents, to third party candidates, or to Trump, than we have defecting to them.
	This is part of the reason why they've gone so hard on this whole Republicans for Kamala thing,
	and da da da, which are basically non-existent because she's left of like now. It just,
	and anybody who has a head on their shoulders can't really justify that. And they know that
	these people are lying when they say that she can be, you know, you can hold your nose. She's
	no Joe Biden. She's no moderate. And so they're actually running this huge risk that Republicans
	were doing last time because their lack of data, like you mentioned, it's more expensive for them
	to chase now. And their time is so small. They don't have time to sort this out. So they're
	really holding onto this.
	under their britches, like hoping that just like something magical happens.
	But I think what they're realizing now is that nothing magical is happening.
	And after tonight, nothing magical seems to be going their way at all.
	And they're probably going to lose more than three or four extra percentage
	points, similar to how we, uh, how we shouldn't have, but have, because we
	just didn't have the data to chase the right people.
	It almost feels like an inverse of 2020.
	you know, like the roles have reversed, which is fascinating.
	It's a little bit that way, for sure.
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